ARCHIVED: 8 Exhibition Street -v1

[tayser]

as silvermb now reports, The HWT development is now under construction:

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9563

my webhost is down at the moment so I cant upload pics of it - does anyone else have pics of the tower et al. that they can upload and post - SteveMelb, still got the plans from when you did the skyscraperpage.com diagram ?

Bring on the beef! :D

cheers

tays

[SteveMelb]

me lose these plans? never :)

The plans...
http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/e&y/hwtsite_plans.jpg

The proposed tower (will look somewhat diff., this is kinda old but gives a fair impression of the impact on the skyline)
http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/e&y/HWTtower_redev.jpg

More up-to-date pics taken by myself off Channel 9 news
http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/e&y/My Pictures0002.jpg

Same as above
http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/e&y/My Pictures0003.jpg

What the current site looks like now (thanks to urbanphoto.org)
http://users.bigpond.net.au/stevemelb/e&y/heraldsun_onflinders.jpg

this tower is really going to rock (like others have said, very similar to Telstra HQ) plus takes the attention off Collins Place and Hell House... purely and simply; GLASS = CLASS :D

[jcocks]

Sorry for being ignorant...

But can somebody please tell me what HWT stands for?

Thanks

[tayser]

Herald Weeky Times - although the original building has "Herald Sun" in big letters on the front of it, in that pic Steve posted.

HWT has now got their own tower - over in Southbank, one of the maroon ones, been there for a while!

but anyhow

gw Stavros - it's definitely not bad for tallest in Flinders Street, actually question anyone know if it'll have a Flinders Street or Exhibition Street address ?

anyhow

tays

[tayser]

BTW is someone goes up the Sofitel anytime soon, be worth going into the loo with a view and have a look down on the site ;)

culwulla / grollo / silvermb, another question, approximately what height is the Sofitel's "sky bar" (level 35) at ? E&Y will go taller yer ? - maybe just as E&Y is ~165m...... ??

EDIT: err just remembered that Sofitel is like 10 - 15 metres "higher" up than the HWT site...... hrmmmmmm

tays

[SteveMelb]

Originally posted by tayser
anyone know if it'll have a Flinders Street or Exhibition Street address ?
pretty sure it's Flinders St, the entrance/main part of HWT faces Flinders

also lets not forget 11E which is opposite it is u/c as well, and Southern Cross soon... good to see some big developments INside the CBD.

[CoLL0]

Bloody Hell...Collins Place looks terrible..HWT will at least make the area look a bit better...What are other ppl's thought on Collins PLace???

[tayser]

Originally posted by CoLL0
Bloody Hell...Collins Place looks terrible..HWT will at least make the area look a bit better...What are other ppl's thought on Collins PLace???

Collins Place is 10 time better to look at rather than just two blank concrete walls with no detailing whatsoever, ala Shell House.

Collins Place, after it's rained, goes all shiny ;)

E&Y will probably detract from Shitb0x house & Collins Place once built.

tays

[CoLL0]

well it was built in the 70's so what are ya gonna do...yeah shell house is bloody awful..they should take the bulldozers from the MCG and drive them down wellington parade and charge shell house
:D :D :D

[chrisaus]

so its this, souther cross and urban workshop 2 for that end of town:D

[tayser]

Originally posted by chrisaus
so its this, souther cross and urban workshop 2 for that end of town:D

Urban Workshop 1 (taller) - State Govt. precommitment
Urban Workshop 2 (shorter) - State Govt. precommitment
Southern Cross Eastern Tower (taller) - State Govt. precommitment
Southern Cross Western Tower (shorter) - still no pre-commitment, wont go ahead until it has one
HWT (Ernst & Young Plaza) - Ernst & Young precommitment
11 Exhibition - not sure who pre-commited.

tays

[silvermb]

William Mercer in 11E and none in the smaller UWS yet. Taller UWS has 50000sq m of 52000sq m taken. The smaller building at 68m has 16000sq m and will be one of the more recognised buildings around town. A bit of that John Wardle QV/Dock 5 style rubbing off. I await the day when he designs a 200m tower; guaranteed it will be unique.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/tayser/markspics/uwssmall.jpg

Construction at Urban commences 1st Dec of I recall. It will be another massive dig for the underground carpark and I guess we will see a core above ground late2003/ealry 2004. Govt moves in last quarter 2005.

[Blabbyboy]

How tall are the urban workshops? Can't be significant becos no-one's all that excited about it.

11E is deisgned specifically not to block the views from 101 Collins (being developed by its owners). William Mercer is a tenant of 101 at the mo, so they're moving across the road. 11E is too small to be classified premium grade, but that's the level of amenities and service that they'll be getting. No height, though. I think it's only 60 m or thereabouts (10 or 15 storeys? i forget now). Previous owner had permits for taller (eg 30 storeys) building, that's why owners of 101 bought them out.

[tayser]

Originally posted by Blabbyboy
How tall are the urban workshops? Can't be significant becos no-one's all that excited about it.

11E is deisgned specifically not to block the views from 101 Collins (being developed by its owners). William Mercer is a tenant of 101 at the mo, so they're moving across the road. 11E is too small to be classified premium grade, but that's the level of amenities and service that they'll be getting. No height, though. I think it's only 60 m or thereabouts (10 or 15 storeys? i forget now). Previous owner had permits for taller (eg 30 storeys) building, that's why owners of 101 bought them out.

Urban workshop 1 = 150m, substantial, will create a wall with Casselden & Telescum C-HQ on either side, Urban Workshop two as above isnt that big, but it wraps itself around the back of Casselden Place - Little Lonsdale street frontage from memory...

tays

[silvermb]

sizeable enough
http://www.modelcraft.com.au/images/skyscraper/compressed/casseld2.jpg

when the core goes up, it'll be a squeeze against Telstra.

[tayser]

another rendering of UW 1

http://www.vicprojects.com.au/ProjectImages/ISPT1.jpg

there's some other projects here: www.vicprojects.com.au

tays

[finn]

Originally posted by silvermb
sizeable enough
http://www.modelcraft.com.au/images/skyscraper/compressed/casseld2.jpg

when the core goes up, it'll be a squeeze against Telstra.

So, will Urban Workshop be blocking a lot of windows in the Telstra Centre it sits against?

What about windows on that side of the Urban Workshop itself? :?

[silvermb]

I thought Telstra's side was a wall and the core of UWS will go up against it giving UWS an uninterrupted floorplate From Lonsdale to Lt Lonsdale. Like BHP's design.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/tayser/markspics/telstracorp.jpg

[Blabbyboy]

Urban Workshop...boring...
HWT tower...also boring design IMO...too bad it's in a prominent position...that spot demands a better solution! Like cigar tower! Too bad you can't run a business on round floorplates effectively.

[Blabbyboy]

PS. Shell House's ugly flat side should get some graffiti on it or a mural or something...it just looks so shite in that photo with the HWT render.

[silvermb]

Delta demolition crews/trucks/bobcats and a mobile crane were delivered or worked on the site from about 8am this morning. The redevelopment has begun in order to house the 165m tower.

[tayser]

I only just realised this, but over the past 6 months, many of us (in Melbourne) have thought it's been quite "busy" reporting on projects & updating etc........

Just imagine with This one, SXC Eastern, Urban Workshop, The (at long last) start of FWP North rising, the continuation of Eureka rising, not to mention 2 Southbank Blvd. Yarra's Edge, Royal Domain, Victoria Point, The Conder - people who loathe Melbourne & the plethoria of threads on here, or are just downright absolutely jealous of Melbourne are about to get even more sick of seeing it all ;)

......... now let's get started - it all begins in January February *E-VIL laugh* :D

tays

[Adam from Oz]

This one's going to be a bit difficult to build, don't you think?

We wouldn't want any damage to S*** House now, would we?

Cheers,

Adam

[silvermb]

this ones going to be an absolute prick to build! Surrounded on every side by other buildings or the existing HWT building.

[sirbugalugs]

Originally posted by tayser
Just imagine with This one, SXC Eastern, Urban Workshop, The (at long last) start of FWP North rising, the continuation of Eureka rising, not to mention 2 Southbank Blvd. Yarra's Edge, Royal Domain, Victoria Point, The Conder - people who loathe Melbourne & the plethoria of threads on here, or are just downright absolutely jealous of Melbourne are about to get even more sick of seeing it all ;)

......... now let's get started - it all begins in January February *E-VIL laugh* :D

tays

Now now Tay's we wouldn't want to be called arrogant. ;)

BRING IT ON BABY!!!!!!!!!!! :D

AND EAT SHIT ALL YOU JEALOUS BASTARDS! :bash: :guns1:

[tayser]

Originally posted by sirbugalugs


Now now Tay's we wouldn't want to be called arrogant. ;)

BRING IT ON BABY!!!!!!!!!!! :D

AND EAT SHIT ALL YOU JEALOUS BASTARDS! :bash: :guns1:

:guns1: indeed :guns1:

tays

[A-brain]

I think we can definately list this as U/C now if we haven't already.

Drove past this morning (Friday 13th December) and Delta demolition workers we're busying away inside the guts of the building..

Bring on the new year when we see a crane on site!!

[tayser]

Demolition = still not "officially" U/C (as per skyscrapers.com)

however it means it's 99% "about to go" U/C lol

if you can figure that one!

tays

[A-brain]

Today (Saturday) there is a huge mobile crane doing some stuff on the site!!

If it ain't U/C it's about as bloody close as you can get :banana:

[tayser]

yep, agreed, was up close and non-personal (lol) with that site today as well

go son go! :D

:guns1:

tays

[Blabbyboy]

As of yesterday, no demolition work was visible on the EXTERIOR of the building, but TODAY from my window at 101 Collins, I can confirm that demolish HAS BEGUN on the rooftop plant rooms and they're working pretty fast - yesterday the rooftop was quite "clean", but today they've totally messed up the place. There's also a mobile bobcat (I think) on the rooftop in operation.

[Aussie Steve]

Excellent news Blabbyboy. I guess you can give us updates on everything that's happening at the old H&WT & 11E, right ;)

[tayser]

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lol, from what he told us at the first Melb meet, Mr. Blabbyboy here has a fricking good view over a lot of the city - you're right up near the roof arent you Blabbyboy :? :? :?

tays

[A-brain]

Yeah you the man blabby!! Keep us updated nightly if you must..

I can back this up as today (Tuesday) they looked flat knackers into the demolition stage from what you could see outside the Flinders St entrance.

I think by end of Jan we're gonna be looking at an empty shell of a building ready for some grey gold to be poured in! :)

I'm so excited now about this one going up! Even if its reduced from original height.. the view from Southbank looking east, it will really fatten up right side of the Paris End nicely, with SxC fattening up the left side..

Mega-cluster of 500ft+ scrapers that will be in 4 years!!

:guns1: :guns1: :guns1: :guns1:

Mother of a job tho..

[tayser]

...dont forget, Adrian, the gap between Southern Paris end and North Paris End is closing with SXC too, just need to knock down the Australian Federal Reserve Bank's shocker (sorry if it's heritage listed, it's an fecking eyesore!) and a big mutha on the other side of Exhibition Street from TAC house then from a distance there'd only be a small gap

WEEE! :D

tays

[Blabbyboy]

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lol, from what he told us at the first Melb meet, Mr. Blabbyboy here has a fricking good view over a lot of the city - you're right up near the roof arent you Blabbyboy :? :? :?

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Yup, I'm very close to the top at 101 and yes, from my desk I can see HWT, 11E and MCG very well. But they won't let me onto the actual roof - they think I might jump off it! :D

Today's update on HWT: there are now 2 bobcat-like machines on the roof, a couple of ppl running around and they've knocked at least one gaping, massive hole into one of the rooftop plant rooms. At least half of the rooftop ventilation turbines (those turnip looking things) have been knocked off and are just lying around. Also, lots of piping has been pulled up and is just lying around. Sorry, my construction updates can't get more technical than this since I'm not a construction fan and I can't give you technical updates like others can. That's why I just don't know what to say about 11E, except that it's looking quite neat and orderly (the cement for the basement ground has been poured and it's not just looking like a hole anymore). They've put some sort of black sheeting on half of the basement ground (dunno what) and the core looks neat, nearly up to ground level.

[tayser]

Yes I've experienced that very view first hand - from level 50 @ KSIG's "waiting area", silvermb and I couldnt get our eyes away from the window lol

it was a bit like this: :eek2: !!!

lol @ updates - eh not many of us are up to speed with technical details in construction Blabbyboy, you're not alone! (yer I'm one of them :D)

tays

[A-brain]

Ditto kel! (I mean tays)

That was a *great* update Blabby.. dont worry about techie details.. most of the time we are making it up anyway :D

Very informative and gives us a great picture of the goings on..

Keep em coming! Sounds like the demolition is full steam ahead..

[Blabbyboy]

Gents, it's all happening! 2 mobile demolition thingos (the ones with the "shaky demolition arms") are zipping around on the roof of HWT and there are people in hardhats running all around. Parts of the roof have been cordoned off with ribbons too.

[Blabbyboy]

OK - so I'm the only one posting about this tower, but it will be a major new addition to the Melb CBD! Anyway, demolition is continuing and black tarpaulins are being used to cover parts of the roof already demolished. There is quite a bit of activity on the roof, and most of the roof fittings have been taken off.

[A-brain]

Unreal!!!

Blabby you da man.. you have the views of the roof from work don't you?? You should take a camera at some point!!

Keep us updated with every little bit as it happens - even toliet breaks for the paint scrapers!! ;)

The "Big 4" Office projects in Melbourne (HWT, UWT, SxC & EYP) are all lumbering giants that are slowly creaking and coming to life.. great to see HWT has joined EYP@FWP as fully active now!

SxC still is crawling along at prelminary stages at the moment.. the construction site is open every day but very little activity seems to be happening.

UWT has the big 'Grocon' sign on the front now and with the Archi dig all but finished it should be buzzing soon..

[silvermb]

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwtdemo.JPG

[tayser]

...like watching the Southern Cross getting demolished all over again.

oh well, go go go son :)

tays

[Blabbyboy]

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A-Brain, yes, I have a view (through the smoke) but technically HWT is not UC yet. Only demolition stage.

Well, they've been active over the weekend! See the white square plant room on the left with 2 doors? That is NOW half collapsed, and AS I TYPE currently being demolished! There are now 3 machines on the roof running around, looking very busy, and I can say that...oh, hang on...AS I TYPE, half of it has CAVED IN, and there's only half left. When I last looked, there was only one demolition machines on the thing, but not there are two working on it. It's like watching Command & Conquer from up here - the two machines and little men running around, and when they latch onto a target, they amass their forces and the structure goes down! More updates as the weather heats up and smoke (hopefully) blows away.

[A-brain]

Absolutely unreal updates! From your descriptions its like being able to see it..

I hope they know where to place those bobcats so the roof doesnt cave in under them..

[Blabbyboy]

It's over. The roof of HWT is almost flat. That outhouse is totally collapse and being dragged away! Gee, demolition is sure faster than construction!

[A-brain]

Ain't it so! Just look at the MCG .. something like a month for the Western stand to disappear but months before we see anything rise back up ..

I wonder when they will pull down the two big communication antenna .. I know they are being kept for the project but they surely would have to come down during construction ala Concept Blue..

[tayser]

Was in "the loo with a view" last night, couldn't see much down on the site though....

oh well, get this bitch rising I say ! :D

tays

[Blabbyboy]

Levelling of the rooftop continues at rapid pace today. Much activity, more tarpaulins and the roof is that much flatter today! Can't wait until the roof itself goes down!

[Steve World Tower]

I wish someone would rename this thread, everytime I see ERNST & YOUNG written I assume it is something that matters like LATITUDE-BIGGEST OFFICE TOWER IN AUSTRALIA. :)

[tayser]

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*seal clap*

you keep trolling like that and you'll eventually get banned.

tays

[Steve World Tower]

Tayser

It was half stirring and half true. The thread is very similar to the other one in name so that every time it comes up you don't know weather it is the plaza or Latitude

[Aussie Steve]

The title of this topic is

mmm The official ERNST & YOUNG PLAZA @ HWT thread mmm

There are a number of "mmm's" (Melbourne) in front of the topic as opposed to "sss's" (Sydney).

[Blabbyboy]

OK whatever - now back to CONSTRUCTION (or DESTRUCTION) updates!

Big news (for me, anyways)! Since this morning they've poked several major holes in the roof! I can actually SEE THROUGH the steel reinforcing where the concrete has been ripped off and I can see bobcats moving and working on the floor below the roof! The roof it coming off!

[A-brain]

blabby - this is fantastic and valuable news and as I said keep up the updates !

I drove past just an hour ago and from ground level at any distance or angle there is still no sign at all whats going on at the roof..

In fact until you posted this I was wondering if they'd halted demolition!

So yeah.. great stuff..

[Blabbyboy]

My pleasure! Holy shite! This morning I've looked out and you won't believe this...there is a 2 x 4 grid of 8 massive square holes completely cut through the roof. Even the steel reinforcing has been removed and you can see right through to the floor below.

Seriously - the roof is being completely removed bit by bit!

[Blabbyboy]

What I'm seeing now is incredible. The roof is being ripped open as we speak. The giant drill arm is poking square holes into the roof. Now there are around 12 square or rectangular holes, some of which have joined up to become quite large holes through which bobcats are shoving rubbish from the roof to the floor below. I'd say 30% of the roof has been completely punched through!

[A-brain]

Wow the pace of demolition is amazing.. lets hope it starts proper construction just as quickly..

Today you could *just* see some movement on the roof and a few rays of sunlight poking through!

Can't wait until it looks like a completely hollow shell :)

[tayser]

gotta love live updates :D

[Noonos]

lol.

blabby boy any chance of lodging a webcam where you can see this destruction and construction??

[Aussie Steve]

If you want to see some action from the ground, stand on the south side of Flinders Street and look through the garage doors and windows. There is plent of visible action today.

[CULWULLA]

is this the demolition thread of construction thread :? lol anyway, its sounds like there getting stuck in to! i cant believe how fast these guys pull down these bldgs! The 3 x 15storys bldgs that were at 126 Phillip st site were pulled down in no time! I thought it would take months, but it was only a matter of weeks!
does anyone know when foundations will commence on HWT?
cheers

[Blabbyboy]

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>is this the demolition thread of construction thread :? lol anyway, its sounds like there getting stuck in to! i cant believe how fast these guys pull down these bldgs! The 3 x 15storys bldgs that were at 126 Phillip st site were pulled down in no time! I thought it would take months, but it was only a matter of weeks!
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Hey, don't know demolition, Cul! It's so much fun knocking things down indiscriminately! Consructive destruction!

Latest update - no activity at all today. Must be the heat and repressive smog. About 30% of the roof has been removed except where they meet pillars from the floor below. 11E (Grocon site) is also inactive and the tennis centre roofs are closed.

[BraddyBoy]

The people who bought apartments in the city side of the Philadelphia Building arent going to be too happy that they will lose their view when E&Y @ HWT goes up :( :bleep:

I went to the auction of the city side penthouse and now I know why it was passed in...... good views now, not so good later on.

[Blabbyboy]

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I went to the auction of the city side penthouse and now I know why it was passed in...... good views now, not so good later on.</td></tr>
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Then just spare a thought for the pour souls who live in Sargood House, NEXT DOOR, to be wedged into Flinders Lane and have their last remnants of sunlight blocked out!

[Bluestar]

Har har <sniff> For the greater good, folks, for the greater good. :pet: I always used to think of that end of town as 'The big 5' and now it will be the big...8, the way I figure it...if you take the HWT site as one building.

[tayser]

Big 8 ? are you including Shell House in that ? if you are, leave the room NOW... lol, joking ;)

All we need now is that hideous reserve bank building to either be demolished or incorporated into a new ~180m tower and that'd be a nice little,...... errrr tall cluster :)

as it is, I think after E&Y Plaza and SXC Eastern are built, it could quite possibly be the highest concentration of 500 footers in one small area!

Likewise if and when Prima and FWP South are completed, that block will undoubtedly be THE highest concentration of 500 footers in a TINY area!!

tays

[Bluestar]

Now that I look at it again, it is in fact the Big 7,(or will be) and hell no I would not include Shell House, it looks like it's Sydney cut and paste. It looks the worst from Southgate...will HWT block off that hellugly western wall?

[tayser]

well - from how I perceive it, it'll "significantly over-power" Shell House - which is a good thing.

tays :D

[Blabbyboy]

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>Big 8 ? are you including Shell House in that ? if you are, leave the room NOW... lol, joking ;)

All we need now is that hideous reserve bank building to either be demolished or incorporated into a new ~180m tower and that'd be a nice little,...... errrr tall cluster :)

as it is, I think after E&Y Plaza and SXC Eastern are built, it could quite possibly be the highest concentration of 500 footers in one small area!

Likewise if and when Prima and FWP South are completed, that block will undoubtedly be THE highest concentration of 500 footers in a TINY area!!

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How do Melbourne's "clusters" of 500 footers - Paris end & Southbank compare to other cities, say Sydney, Singapore, Toronto?

[tayser]

I was talking about inside Australia

Sydney's northern CBD has at least 8, doesn't it ? spread from Darling Harbour to Hyde park ?

Toronto's are all in that MINT area (MINT - Montreal, I-something, Nova Scotia (?) Toronto - names of 4 banks on 4 corners of an intersection) First Canada Place, Scotia, BCE Place, Commerce Court West and a few others - very densely packed.

Singapore ? no idea.

but in Australia those two clusters (Paris / Freshwater) would most definitely be right up there!

culwulla - what's the highest concentration of Sydney's 500 footers ?

tays

[A-brain]

Hey blabby.. whats the latest on demolition this week?

The other day looked like there was very little action going on .. during a normal construction day ..

[Blabbyboy]

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>I was talking about inside Australia

Sydney's northern CBD has at least 8, doesn't it ? spread from Darling Harbour to Hyde park ?

Toronto's are all in that MINT area (MINT - Montreal, I-something, Nova Scotia (?) Toronto - names of 4 banks on 4 corners of an intersection) First Canada Place, Scotia, BCE Place, Commerce Court West and a few others - very densely packed.

Singapore ? no idea.

but in Australia those two clusters (Paris / Freshwater) would most definitely be right up there!

culwulla - what's the highest concentration of Sydney's 500 footers ?

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hehe...looks like nobody follows this thread but a few diehards...Tays, A-Brain, myself (only becos I have the view)! hehe

FYI, Singapore has it's tallest all along the Singapore River, culminating in OUB, UOB and Republic Plaza (set back a bit) - it's 3 height limit towers. Quite a cluster.

A-brain, latest on the demolition...the same 35% of the roof has been punched through - the rest are still intact. But the bit that has been punched through has been punched right through to the third floor (I can practically see almost to the bottom in some parts). As I type this, I can see sparks from an oxy-ecetylene blowtorch cutter going and whop...there goes a steel beam crashing down three floors down! woo hoo! Demolition is fun!
Almost the whole of the second floor from the roof that's exposed is being "watered down" (what a waste of water since it's so polluted anyway) and the bobcats are chucking stuff through the holes to the floors below. It's very busy today...there's even a small of the HWT building attached to the building next door (what's the building next door - car park?) and a whole chunck of the HWT building has been completely removed (but you can't see it from outside). There's sort of a courtyard in the part of the HWT building that attaches to the next door building and that's piling up with rubbish from the demolition.

[tayser]

10/02/03

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/ey1002031.jpg

[A-brain]

Fanastic shot tays once again..

Amazing how they know such an old building will still hold up despite knocking down all those floors..

I'm assuming were gonna see some bracings on the exterior of the facade soon to hold it up as they keep knocking down further..

[kasperluke]

So they are keeping the facad of the Herald sun building yes?

Can you also re post the plans or renderings of it? As I can't get the ones on page 1!

Demolition looks to be going well..what building did you take that picture from?!

[Aussie Steve]

The Herlad & Weekly Times building is on the Victorian Heritage Register. Unlike Sydney, we in Melbourne do not undertake pure facadism. At least 20 metres deep of the H&WT building from Exhibition St & Flinders Street will be kept. Thank God!

[silvermb]

not too much left now

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/ernst&young_2003_02_17.JPG

[tayser]

I'll be taking some pics from the Sofitel on friday I think - silvermb what you doing ? your cam's got zoom... you'd be able to take better pics ;)

tays

[Blabbyboy]

From what I can see, the area which has been "punched through" in last pic of Tay's has been "punched through" to the ground floor, but no further demolition has happened since. Today there is a mini crane in that hole that's carrying truckloads of rubbish...presumably out of each of the floors.

[A-brain]

More promising signs of imminent full-blown construction today..

There was a mobile crane lifting support beams for the now-facade.. and there were McIvor Construction Hut supports going in the little alley behind HWT today as well!!!

Go you good thing! :rock:

[tayser]

not much visible difference:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/hwt1403031.jpg

tays

[tayser]

Anyone been up in this neck of the woods lately ?

[A-brain]

Well there are construction huts etc fitted in behind.. and there seemed to be a fair bit of activity yesterday..

What I'd like to know is where they plan to build the tower.. if it will fit in that square hole that they've knocked into the HWT building as shown in that photo then we should be good to see construction soon !!

But I would have thought it would sit in the centre of the building.

Anyone got those renderings and diagrams again ??

[Bluestar]

An aside...you'd have to say the view of the city from the Swan St. bridge looking straight up the Yarra is one of our finest...the Big 5 all in a row, looking like something from a Raymond E. Feist novel (any fantasy buffs here?). Which leads me to my question...the E+Y Building will certainly position itself smack in-front of the Collins place complex from this angle. Is anyone sorry to see this view altered so significantly...particularly because Collins place now looks to be boxed in on both sides soon?

Blue

[tayser]

lol Blue, I wont be happy til it's "fully" boxed in with a 500 + footer on the Reserve Bank site, I wouldnt shed a tear if they tore the RBA building

:runaway:

:guns1:

tays

[A-brain]

I was and still am to some extent sorry we'll lose the classic view of Collins Place twins when viewed from the Swan St bridge ... I think HWT will ruin it to some extent..

So if I had a choice If we only had a set number of buildings to add then I would have perhaps placed this 500fters somewhere else.. like maybe the Rialto end to beef that up ..

But on the other hand the East End is goona look densarific in a couple of years!! It also really fattens the view from Southbank as well .. so can't complain..

[Muse]

People, you don't just look at Collins Place - you EXPERIENCE it! The public spaces, the bars/coffee stalls, the cinemas, the 35th floor Sofitel sky-view bar etc (where's chrisaus ;) ?). Despite what many think of its towers' architecture, it's still the best designed "city within a city" in Australia that I know of.

Even when E & Y has been completed, there will be no problem of getting a gander @ Collins Place form gaps and other vantage points.

So here's to a successful building of E & Y @ HWT! :cheers:

[CULWULLA]

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Even when E & Y has been completed, there will be no problem of getting a gander @ Collins Place form gaps and other vantage points.

So here's to a successful building of E & Y @ HWT! :cheers:</td></tr>
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speaking of "city within a city" , how do you think wORLD sQUARE will fair when its completed next year? with the completion of Latitude and East, it ill have a large atrium and shopping centre etc. 4 towers with a central court yard.

[Blabbyboy]

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Even when E & Y has been completed, there will be no problem of getting a gander @ Collins Place form gaps and other vantage points.

So here's to a successful building of E & Y @ HWT! :cheers:</td></tr>
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I thought the best City within a City was Melbourne Central or Chadstone.hehheheh:D
Well, Collins Place is great too! And soon we're getting QV too. Anyone know anything about the Collins Place refurb?

[hunter]

Yes but Collins Place has cinemas, a shopping centre, five star hotel, 85 floors of office between the two twin towers (with reasonably large floor plates). Not to mention the convention facilities, and the 8 underground floors of carparking, with links to the nearby Parliament station.

[jquirke]

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Where are the links to Parliament station?

[Bluestar]

Well said Museumb. I've done some of my best B/W photography work inside of Collins place foyer.

Blue

[tayser]

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The short walk down Collins Street and just around the corner on Spring Street - 100 metres max.

cheers

tays

[Blabbyboy]

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Yeah, but Melb Central also has an underground train station, retail facilities easily triple those of Collins Place, refurbed will have a cinema megaplex (not just a small independent multiplex), also has large office component (to be expanded). I concede that Collins Place may be larger overall due to the two towers and hotel.

[Muse]

OMG What did I start here? :laugh: I didn't mean to hijack the Earnst & Young @ HWT thread. I was just sayin' that Collins Place is possibly the BEST designed "city within a city" in Oz, not necessarily the largest.

Time will tell if the MC re-develpoment or even Sydney's World Square will come out better designed with great use of space as Collins Place does.

Wonder what the public areas of E & Y @ HWT will be like. Any new overall renders around of this beauty, of either interiors or exteriors?

[Blabbyboy]

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>OMG What did I start here? :laugh: I didn't mean to hijack the Earnst & Young @ HWT thread. I was just sayin' that Collins Place is possibly the BEST designed "city within a city" in Oz, not necessarily the largest.

Time will tell if the MC re-develpoment or even Sydney's World Square will come out better designed with great use of space as Collins Place does.

Wonder what the public areas of E & Y @ HWT will be like. Any new overall renders around of this beauty, of either interiors or exteriors?</td></tr>
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Nah, it's more fun this way! I walked past COllins Place today (as I do every day) and the towers have pretty small footprints (especially the west (ANZ) tower)...compared to MC, which has a much larger floorplate.

[Muse]

So you're hijacking the hijacker ;) ?

Maybe a new thread would be more appropriate :okay: .

[A-brain]

To try and get this back on track..

blabby.. are you still at your old office location? I thought I'd heard you'd moved..

If not.. have you seen much action down at E&Y ?? Have they knocked any more floorplate out ??

[tayser]

A-Brain the way Blabby was talking about that, I'd thought he'd moved down the other end of the street (assume that's what you're referring to ? :D), but at the last Melb meet he explained that he'd just moved internally - on the same floorplate lol :D

tays

[jquirke]

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The short walk down Collins Street and just around the corner on Spring Street - 100 metres max.

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Yes I know that, but I thought he was implying there were actually constructed links (i.e. underground) from Collins Place to Parliament station, which I've never seen.

[Blabbyboy]

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The short walk down Collins Street and just around the corner on Spring Street - 100 metres max.

cheers

tays</td></tr>
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Yes I know that, but I thought he was implying there were actually constructed links (i.e. underground) from Collins Place to Parliament station, which I've never seen.</td></tr>
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That was originally proposed but deemed unnecessary as Melbourne has relatively mild weather (they had frigid Montreal in mind)...hehehe

OK rooftop view update on de-construction at HWT building...about 3/4 of the roof is GONE! Big progress in the last week! Destruction continues round the clock! yeah!

[A-brain]

[Monty Burns Voice]

Mmmmmm eeeexcellent !!

[/Monty Burns Voice]

Thanks for that update.. so look like the old building will have one section left all around near the facade.. or you think they will just go the whole hog and knock everything out except the facade skin itself ?

[Aussie Steve]

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Mmmmmm eeeexcellent !!

[/Monty Burns Voice]

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NO! The planning permit states that they must keep at least 20 metres of the building fabric from the facades along Flinders & Exhibition Sts.

[Blabbyboy]

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Mmmmmm eeeexcellent !!

[/Monty Burns Voice]

Thanks for that update.. so look like the old building will have one section left all around near the facade.. or you think they will just go the whole hog and knock everything out except the facade skin itself ?</td></tr>
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NO! The planning permit states that they must keep at least 20 metres of the building fabric from the facades along Flinders & Exhibition Sts.</td></tr>
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I think they're taking off as much as they can...20 metres is pretty long but from 45 levels above, it's hard to tell...they've certainly left a "rim" of around 20 metres or so. It's narrowest at the Flinders St front, they still haven't taken that much from the roof along the Exhibition St front.

[Muse]

A rather subsantial render thanks to stavros (SteveMelb) via tayser hosting:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/render_hwt1.jpg

...and an diagramtic elevation:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/hwtsite_plans.jpg

[barneybuck]

That building is a bloody lot bigger than I thought it was going to be No wonder thr knockers were bitching so much -but hey who cares?

[DrDan]

Hmm, just looking at that TV pic again I hope that it's an attractive scraper - it doesn't look too special there. It could probably go either way. I'm worried because it's so chunky and on such a prominent spot next to the yarra.

Do you think the 'towers' will be counted as separate in the skyscraper tally?

[Aussie Steve]

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God no! What a silly question. Its one building not 4!

[Duff]

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i think since its glass, it cant be too bad. looks like a pretty good colour too

[tayser]

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re: 4 towers, nah. it's almost the same as Telstra, the facade makes it look as though they're seperate towers but the floorplat (internally) is continuous....

it's another tower for that postcard shot from Swan Street Bridge!

[kasperluke]

If you count them as 'seperate' towers you can call the rialto towers seperate!

I think it will look pretty good! Glass towers like this one i think always look good.

[joed]

Looks a bit chunky. But as others say, seeing as it's glass, it can't be all that bad.

Pity there no correlation between the tower and the old facade. Looks very disjointed in elevation.

Interesting that the building appears to be on stilts! Not sure how that's going to work.

Has anyone got any recent demolition pics? Like to know how far (if at all) they'll dig down for underground parking.


James.

[kasperluke]

Might be a stupid question because it is probably said somewhere but which constuction company is building this one?

[dre]

not sure who the construction company is...but to my recollection...CBUS is the vendor...

[silvermb]

I'd have a stab at Multiplex. They had the tenders in the Age some time ago and i've noticed a few fat slobs wearing Multiplex hardhats onsite in and amongst the Delta workers.

[Blabbyboy]

Sorry guys, this one still looks unremarkable to me. It's not special enough for Melbourne. Mediocrity, we can do without.

Now for de-construction update: Apart from the facade and minimum "rim" they have to leave, the demolition has been almost complete to the ground...I think there's still half of the first floor left to demolish. Looks great from above. You can imagine the footprint of the new tower.

[Bluestar]

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http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/render_hwt1.jpg

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A fine rendering...it seems to sit a bit awkwardly in relation to Collins place - I feel it should either be substantially shorter or substantially taller, as it is now there'll be bits of the Hotel (East tower poking out from behind the E+Y roofline (Swan St. perspective). Errmph. >(

[A-brain]

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>Sorry guys, this one still looks unremarkable to me. It's not special enough for Melbourne. Mediocrity, we can do without.

Now for de-construction update: Apart from the facade and minimum "rim" they have to leave, the demolition has been almost complete to the ground...I think there's still half of the first floor left to demolish. Looks great from above. You can imagine the footprint of the new tower.</td></tr>
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Hey blabs.. I keep driving past every day but to me it looks like they've kinda stopped pulling walls down and stuff.. but havent seemed to have tidied up the crap hanging on the sides yet..

Are they still pretty active at the moment with the clearing?? Does it look like they might be getting close to piling & digging ??

[Blabbyboy]

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Now for de-construction update: Apart from the facade and minimum "rim" they have to leave, the demolition has been almost complete to the ground...I think there's still half of the first floor left to demolish. Looks great from above. You can imagine the footprint of the new tower.</td></tr>
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Hey blabs.. I keep driving past every day but to me it looks like they've kinda stopped pulling walls down and stuff.. but havent seemed to have tidied up the crap hanging on the sides yet..

Are they still pretty active at the moment with the clearing?? Does it look like they might be getting close to piling & digging ??</td></tr>
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Hang on, let me check re demolition activity [peers out window]...
interior demolition continues...very busy...bobcats running around and I can see sparks from where they're cutting steel beams! Apart from the minimum "rim" they need to retain, they've almost demolished all the floors to either first or ground floor except for one major slab of the second floor (about 30% of total demolished area). So they're still taking down the floors on the inside. It's 11E that looks quiet...but that's growing quietly too...

The siting of this tower is not too bad vis-a-vis Collins Place - it was foresight by Pei Cobb Freid that the CP towers were placed diagonally (like Grand Central would've been)...to preserve lines of sight despite future development surrounding it - like EY@HWT.

[tayser]

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Hang on, let me check re demolition activity [peers out window]...
interior demolition continues...very busy...bobcats running around and I can see sparks from where they're cutting steel beams! Apart from the minimum "rim" they need to retain, they've almost demolished all the floors to either first or ground floor except for one major slab of the second floor (about 30% of total demolished area). So they're still taking down the floors on the inside. It's 11E that looks quiet...but that's growing quietly too...

The siting of this tower is not too bad vis-a-vis Collins Place - it was foresight by Pei Cobb Freid that the CP towers were placed diagonally (like Grand Central would've been)...to preserve lines of sight despite future development surrounding it - like EY@HWT.</td></tr>
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now THAT's what I call an update ;)

tays

[A-brain]

Thanks very much!!!

Keep your eyes peeled and gives any important updates as usual like if it looks like major demolishing is wrapping up and they are starting to pile..

[silvermb]

this angle is so good I almost didn't post these pics in order to keep this lookout for myself, but what fun would that be? Notice 11E's core at rear.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt_20030510=3.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt_20030510=1.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt_20030510=2.JPG

[tayser]

hahah!

I have a fair idea where you've taken the pics from ;)

nice one though!

tays

[A-brain]

Shiza McIza !!! Now *that* is the angle we are wanting !!

Won't ask you how or where you got access to that angle.. but it's an absolute ripper !

Looks to be a bit slow going tho at the minute with the clearance and excavation.. we need some regular pics from this angle from now on to get a good idea whats actually going on..

Great work either way..

[Grollo]

So you finally made it to the top of the car park :-) How cool is it going to be to watch a core rise inside a building!

HWT sure was one tough fucker of a building, it's taken them forever to rip it's guts out.

[tayser]

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GOLD!

http://www.metroboards.com/forums/metrofolder/eclipsee_Victoria.gif heh

[silvermb]

yeah well the carpark was in every other shot weve taken of HWT so it was about time someone got up there

[Blabbyboy]

Look-out-glass-buttress-update: I'm happy to say that demolition is ALL BUT COMPLETE. Apart from the heritage requirement "facade" and rim, the rest of the building looks to be demolished to the ground. Machinery is working to remove the debris at the bottom.

[tayser]

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time for Stav or mb to get out there armed to the teeth with their cams methinks ;)

I would if I could, but I can't.

tays

[silvermb]

demo basically finished, the marking for the pilings are set out in pink against the north wall. Since there are only one/two sub-levels depending upon the street slope, construction may be near but with such a complicated integration needed, who knows.
I recall saying Multiplex were the builders a while back, well its a Bovis Lend-Lease convention down there so I stand corrected

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt_20030527.JPG

[Blabbyboy]

Update: DElta destructions continues their work cleaning up the site. This arvo they were removing large things from the rooftop by crane, such as what looked like a cylindrical (water?) tank.

[tayser]

argh argh, I want to go into the city and take craploads of pics, but freaking study!

who's keen to go up that car park and take some more ? ;)

tays

[Blabbyboy]

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who's keen to go up that car park and take some more ? ;)

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Yes, I've noticed that you've been more quiet than usual, Tays...doing your vampire thing now with studies, huh? hehehe :D <-- where's the smiley face with bloodshot eyes and fangs???

[Philip Burt]

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>argh argh, I want to go into the city and take craploads of pics, but freaking study!

who's keen to go up that car park and take some more ? ;)

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Oh so that explains it. I thought that Tayser must have been charged with stalking Eureka and Freshwater; and that a restraining order has been taken out on him.

[tayser]

lol!

I'm not that bad..... sheesh! :D

[A-brain]

Stuff happening today..

They were hauling in some construction huts through one of the little front doors today! A tight squeeze indeed.

Anyway lots of action around the site so all is in readiness for some major construction action soon..

[tayser]

this is called a truck:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/ey2406031.jpg

this is called a load of dirt, or nothingness - you choose:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~tayser/ey2406032.jpg

[silvermb]

and this is called a concrete truck, when they start appearing, things start to move upwards

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt.JPG

[tayser]

Blabbyboy - update please!

or anyone else! lol :D

[Blabbyboy]

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or anyone else! lol :D</td></tr>
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ONly too happy to oblige...um...look out the window... :D

IT's an amazing, beautiful day, boats on the yarra and in port phillip bay...

In the HWT hole, two "tractors" with "digging arms" appear to be clearing dirt on the ground (looks like site clearing), and there are a few people in fluro vests on the roof, but i can't tell what they're doing. No major machinery on site yet for construction, but it's clear they're doing stuff there.

Also, you probably noticed this before, but even on the most glorious sunny day, this site is mostly shrouded in the shade of Collins Place.

[tayser]

Yeah the whole building will probably be in shade in winter at least (seeming as though CP will still be taller at that end of the city)!

talking to silvermb last time I saw him last week, he was saying they're only going underground by one level.

[Aussie Steve]

Plenty of action today. It seems as though the hole in the ground keeps getting deeper and deeper.

[Grollo]

NEW RENDERING, pity it's so small but it's obvious that this tower has just gone from boring to could be awesome, can't wait for a full sized rendering!

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/203419.jpg

From now on we have to remeber to always have faith in DCM :-)
I thought the earlier design was a bit underdone and didn't look anything like the quality we have come to expect from DCM.

This rendering looks much, much better and very much a DCM design. The way the facade is spearated into a grid and a few 'blocks' are left out at the bottom look very much like the first DCM design from 101 Collins Street and the Melbourne Museum.

It looks like the levels of each section have also been changed with the south west corner now being shorter than the north west corner and the floorplates starting higher above the old HWT building, possible height increase???

[Grollo]

You can see the difference between the new rendering and this older rendering:

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/203424.jpg

[tayser]

mmm v nice.

although, look at the South West corner of both - older rendering has the highest point on the SW corner.... or am I missing something ?

[Grollo]

The new rendering has the shortest point on the S/W corner. It actually makes sense to have the tallest sections to the north to avoid overshadowing the Yarra, they could go up to around 180m on the northern half of the site.

[Duff]

looks quite nice
almost eureka colour scheme, dark blue and white.
im just hoping the glass isnt too see through, like i reckon BHP is

[Blabbyboy]

Where did that new render and "older" render come from, Grollo? Perspective renders are so deceiving, you can never really tell how it will come out. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD FAITH IN DCM - they're now doing their best work around the world, but unforunately not enough in Melb or Aust!

I'm STILL disappointed in the look of this tower, and I can't see how the new render makes it look any more appealing than the old render?! Height increase - ummm...we're dreaming now, are we? Yes, the "left out blocks" is not only remiscent of Melb Museum, it's also similar to the base of 1 Collins St (another DCM), and the stilt legs are similar to AXA forecourt redevelopment proposal (also DCM).

Melbourne - bastion of modernist and post-modernist architecture! KEEPING THE FAITH!!!

[A-brain]

Grollo: When you say 'pity its so small' are you talking about just the size of the rendering.. or the building itself?

I.E. It's still around 165m right? They haven't reduced the height in this new render I assume.. ?

[A-brain]

A big white crane is being assembled today at HWT !! Now we know we're into the serious business..

The crane base will have a big 'CBUS' logo on it .. as they do have a financial interest in the building ..

[silvermb]

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt719.JPG

[tayser]

:rock: 'nuff said.

carry on.

:)

tays

[BigVman]

It was all systems go all day long in Exhibition street today. Went through at lunch time and they were assembling the big white cbus crane. Came back in the mid arvo and the whole road was blocked off as the had a mini crane lifting the assembly into place. Let's just say it augurs well! :D

[kasperluke]

Quite a big job to get it the cranes in there!

Is that pit going to be the core? Or will there be concrete foundations first..

[tayser]

yep, eventually will probably be a core.

might be the first "regular" square shaped core in this construction cycle lol ;)

[silvermb]

in thw new rendering, it seems there are two glass strips up the old facade, along Flinders and Exhibition. Would look good, much like the gpo redevelopment??

[Blabbyboy]

I believe that we have a new building UNDER CONSTRUCTION! Isn't that the most glorious concrete slab that you ever saw laid down? :D

[Grollo]

Found some sweet renderings of the old version:

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_06a.jpg

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_06b.jpg

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_06c.jpg

You can see how it doesn't have any detailing in these renderings, I'm hoping the later rendeing is what's built because to be honest it looks shithouse in these renderings. The stubby little yellow columns really look quite pointless and tacky and the rest of it is just plain dull.

That's why I like the later rendering better because the columns supporting the tower are more of a significant feature and are much more interesting with the varying heights of the four sections of the tower.

[tayser]

Grollo: would DCM have had to re-submit / amend their proposal and in so doing taken it back to DOI ?

[Grollo]

They don't need a new permit, they had to submit more detailed plans as a condition of the permit and any new plans only have to be 'generally in accordance' with the origonal plans and may be substituted with the consent of the minister.

They needed to make some changes because the Planning Panel Report gave the proposal a scathing review and reccomended that the architects throw away the plans and start again:

The size of the floor plate is 44.0m square. This is larger than most other floorplates currently in the CBD (140 Williams Street and 222 Exhibition Street are 40m x 40m).
However, it is consistent with current commercial trends, and the Committee recognises that it is sound business practice for the proponent to wish to provide an efficient office environment and an economically viable solution. However, the Committee feels that this approach should not be followed at the mercy of interesting architecture, and other urban design considerations.

Unfortunately, in this case the approach has overly dictated the shape and size and hence also the orientation of the building. The large square floor plate has led to very bulky building in relation to its setting. Ms. Von Hartel advised that the height/width proportion is similar to other towers in the city. However, other towers of similar dimensions are not as plainly
detailed, and usually do not have to compensate for a location which is highly exposed. All similar buildings the Committee was referred to have some articulated feature introduced to break up the monotony of the expansive reflective glazing.The Committee’s overall conclusions with respect to urban context, or the way in
which the revised proposal will sit within the cityscape, are that the building’s height is acceptable but not its bulk or overall appearance. Whilst it is appropriate to have a large rchitecturally distinctive building on this important corner site, in terms of orming a well defined entry to the CBD, the mass, colour, aterials and lack of aticulation will shift perception of the building from being dominant to domineering.

One of the significant features of the proposed tower design is the ‘gap’ between levels 6-8. As an architectural feature, the exposed columns go some way to define the base of the building, provide some visual separation between the old and new
elements of the development, and possible accentuate the verticality of the tower. In architectural terms though, the gap is too small to provide any real interest and gives view of the expansive, dark and probably unattractive soffit of the higher tower.

Where the columns could give the impression that the building is sitting elegantly on stilts by extending uninterrupted to the ground if this were able to be seen, the lowest levels are infilled with further offices.

The stilts seem to the Committee to be an awkward device unrelated to the overall design of the tower and included simply as a means to create a ‘gap’ between the bulk of the tower and the top of the Herald and Weekly Times building. They add nothing to the design integrity of the tower and seem out of proportion with the rest of it. Perhaps more significantly, they create the impression when seen from a distance that
the base of the tower starts from the top of the Herald and Weekly Times building; that the tower is perched on top of the building.

In all the circumstances, the Committee does not consider that the design of the revised proposal, taken as a whole, reflects the architectural quality that distinguishes other work of Denton Corker Marshall. The Committee’s conclusion is that it fails to achieve the high standard of architectural and urban design demanded by its relationship with the historic Herald and Weekly Times building and the site’s location at the edge of the CBD at an important entry point to the city.

[A-brain]

So I take it this scathing report is commenting on the 'yellow poles' design as rendered?

[tayser]

Originally posted by A-brain
So I take it this scathing report is commenting on the 'yellow poles' design as rendered?

You'd think so!

Looking at this one again:

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_06a.jpg

it does look somewhat odd in the whole vista present in the rendering... *shrug*

[Blabbyboy]

I agree with that report and Grollo. Plain and boring as shit, VERY disappointing for a DCM design. I hope they bluddy well fix this up before another CBD disaster goes up! Just look at that render - and compare it to the brilliant 101! What a pathetic effort! Even I could design a better tower!

[Garmatt]

Opinions are funny things!
I really like the old design. Yes, it is plain, but from all the angles shown in the new renderings I think it fits in perfectly in an area of town already dominated by attention grabbing towers. There's so many spires and shapes and angles (and dare I say 'louvres') up in the Paris end that a nice, clean, minimalist design is the perfect compliment to bulk up the area. Also, the tower doesn't clash with the beautiful old building it sits on.
I DO disagree with the yellow poles. Very unnecessary.
I do not like the new design. I think it belongs in Sydney (that's not having a go at Sydney, I just think it would fit in much better up there). It's too busy and will date quickly. The old render is timeless.
Less is more sometimes!

[Muse]

It would fit into the glass canyons of North Sydney or the satellite CBD of Chatswood well, but probably not the Sydney CBD.

Let's hope the glass used for the curtain walls will perfectly mirror such scraper greats as 120 Collins or even the back-end of Shell House ;) - double trouble for tayser & Co (tee-hee).

BTW What is it with DCM and yellow?

[Bluestar]

Not sure about DCM's direction ATM. The earlier design was superior, I'd say...apart from those yellow poles which simply would not've worked as intended. A valid aesthetic statement is not one which everyone has to indentify closely with or be in favour of, but certainly the post-modern architect hopes to echo or create something that would've otherwise been left to the imagination, among other things. Has anyone out there ever imagined the need for lurid yellow poles to accompany the expansion to the sombre, serious Paris end cluster? Experiments like these are best left to Docklands IMHO.
The earlier design was a timeless piece though. The new one will not differentiate from 101 Collins.
Blue

[Grollo]

It is difficult to tell which design is better because for the old design we have big, sharp glossy rendering form a few angles, but for the new design we have one small (resized a bit larger :-), under exposed, fuzzy rendering from one angle.

The old design was a box with a couple more boxes on the roof on stupid looking stilts. It is virtually exactly the same design as Telstra HQ yet nowhere near elegant because it is shorter, fatter with less articulation at the top and those stupid stilts.

The reason it looked so bad is becuse it was just a building envelope so they could get planning approval. The tower was NEVER going to be built like that. Just like the renderings of the Shangri-La hotel are just of the building envelope and not the actual tower that will be built.

The new blue glass with aluminium highlights will also match the facade of Eureka perfectly.

[silvermb]

the shit hit the fan today!!

it was the biggest pour i've seen. at one point today there were 13 readymix units surrounding the site waiting to or delivering concrete into two pump units which were doing the core slab which was about 2m deep. fair bet the flood lights they had set up meant they would still be going into the evening

http://home.iprimus.com.au/revlis81/hwt729.JPG

[tayser]

Originally posted by silvermb
the shit hit the fan today!!


nasty! :puke:

been playing around with your light settings again mb ?

nevertheless, he's back, and he's cranking out the pics to prove it.

/me applauds silvermb ;)

[silvermb]

no replies, no pictures

you know what happens next tays :cool:

btw i got my pic of the scstation slab pour today

[tayser]

Originally posted by silvermb
no replies, no pictures

you know what happens next tays :cool:

btw i got my pic of the scstation slab pour today

... I don't see it in the SX station thread ? :cool:

[OSJ]

I have to agree with Garmatt on this one. I think that the older design was much better. I think that Australian designers rely too much on gratuitous add-ons at the expense of simple good detailing. I also agree that that end of the city doesnt need another attention grabber. More subtle, quality detailing and better materials are whats needed in Australia. Not louvres and spires tacked on.

[lozza]

I disagree ! we need an attention grabber down that end of town ! I mean, you wouldnt really call the collins place towers and shell house attention grabbers !

also, we don't ahve a fully glassed scraper down that end of town. 120 and 101 look nice , and are attention grabbers ina way, but they are not fully glass and have an element of concrete ( 101 ) and panels (120 ) to them.

HWT will be fully glasss and kick arse , and will fit in nicely and break it all up in my opinion !

cheers

lozza

[fishcatdogbird]

I think it will look awesome, the rendering makes it stand out a lot but in real life it will sit in very smoothly.

Just hurry up and build it.

fcdb

[tayser]

Originally posted by OSJ
I have to agree with Garmatt on this one. I think that the older design was much better. I think that Australian designers rely too much on gratuitous add-ons at the expense of simple good detailing. I also agree that that end of the city doesnt need another attention grabber. More subtle, quality detailing and better materials are whats needed in Australia. Not louvres and spires tacked on.

Fair enough, however what you just described (simple versus addons/features) is actually happening, on the other side of the cluster, Southern Cross redevelopment.

As long as something blocks of Shell's blank wall, I'm happy.

:)

[Grollo]

The new design is still relatively simple, it just the old design with some subtle, quality detailing :-) Also mirror finish glass is not allowed because the harsh reflections would really make life hell in Collins Place and 101 Collins :-)

[Bluestar]

Erk, thanx for clearing all that up Grollo. Like Tayser I will be satisfied enough to see Shell House and Medina apartments de-empasised. This one will also give the cluster a 'finished' look, along with SX. These two appear to be ready to go up at the same time, xlnt!

Blue

[BraddyBoy]

Completely off topic, but what are they doing to the corner of Collins Place, in that photo above?

[Aussie Steve]

BraddyBoy, your avatar is offensive to me! :(

[Clem]

Originally posted by Aussie Steve
BraddyBoy, your avatar is offensive to me! :(
I agree. I don't think that's appropriate at all.

[silvermb]

i on the other hand quite like the avatar....each to their own???

maybe that what kylie would look like if she had breast implants? :cool:

Braddy thats the Collins Place retail redevelopment of the podium. Interestingly enough they're painting right over the podium with a grey/brown sort of colour, certainly looks better than the current dated brown. They should do the whole tower in the scheme, or at least clean the tower/s

[Aussie Steve]

Well, maybe I should change my avatar to a sexy, hunky, nude man! I am certain most of the str8 men on this forum would object!

[lozza]

Your quotes Guys:

BraddyBoy, your avatar is offensive to me!
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I agree. I don't think that's appropriate at all. !!



All i can say is get over it guys ! Its no big deal ! And even if it is a big deal, its not your business anyway !

Lozza ! :bash: :rant:

[BraddyBoy]

Yeah ok I will change the avatar (was seeing what is and isnt acceptable on this forum heheheh)

It's from a mates avatar on a completely unrelated (car) forums.

It came with the location that said:

"Look into my eyes"

hehehehe

SilverMB, thanks for the info on CP.

[lozza]

Braddy Boy !!

Keep It !!

Its yr choice mate

don't let others influence yr decision ! :rant:

cheers :cheers:

Lozza

[silvermb]

hey hey hey

only change it if the big chief says (Tayser)

besides there a core formed already at HWT, the tower is starting to fly now considering it needs to be completed late 2005

[BraddyBoy]

Nah the CEO (Tayser) has asked for it to be toned down, but the fact that there are two batty boys in Aussie Steve's new avatar, means I can put up something equally as cool as my old avatar :D

[Blabbyboy]

The concrete base for the lift core is well in place. From above, it looks like it goes quite a bit below ground. It's only a matter of time now before a core rises!

[tayser]

Is it a co-incidence Multiplex, the builder of both E&Y and SX, are going at the same pace on both sites and will probably rise at the same time and most likely top out and eventually finish at the same time if they continue like this ?

who knows.

but........ woooooooooo! :D

[silvermb]

this one will piss it in over the other two tays

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/483hwt_20030821_2.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/510/483hwt_20030821_5.jpg

[tayser]

...by the looks of it maybe.

Still though, quite odd to see a square shaped core for such a substantial building...!

stood on the "grassy knol" (hah!) just off to the side of Exhibition St extension for about 10 minutes today - trying to imagine it up...

... still can't picture it there hah ;)

nice pics.

[tayser]

image: stevemelb www.urbanmelbourne.com

http://www.urbanmelbourne.com/gallery/galleries/Tour_2003-09-08/image014.jpg

:rock:

[Duff]

GO GO GO!

im interested to see which building i like better after completion between this tower and PWC at freshwaterplace.

From what i can remember the latest rendering of this had large white square shapes all over it? If thats the case, and the windows are reasonably tinted, anyone reckon this could turn out looking like a shorter, boxier office version of eureka? I just mean with lots of glass and white bits hehe

[Fountainhead]

Originally posted by Bluestar
Not sure about DCM's direction ATM. The earlier design was superior, I'd say...apart from those yellow poles which simply would not've worked as intended. A valid aesthetic statement is not one which everyone has to indentify closely with or be in favour of, but certainly the post-modern architect hopes to echo or create something that would've otherwise been left to the imagination, among other things. Has anyone out there ever imagined the need for lurid yellow poles to accompany the expansion to the sombre, serious Paris end cluster? Experiments like these are best left to Docklands IMHO.
The earlier design was a timeless piece though. The new one will not differentiate from 101 Collins.
Blue

DCM love their trademark primary colours alright:)
They took the yellow columns out of HWT and put them on Brisbane Square, which is a building I really love and a return to form for their towers:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay3/31augbrisbanesquare1.JPG

http://fountainhead.50megs.com/other%20images/fb84264d.jpg.orig.jpg

But, DCM did dot design the current HWT scheme. Peddle Thorp are the architects.

[Grollo]

But, DCM did dot design the current HWT scheme. Peddle Thorp are the architects.

huh? DCM are the architects for the tower that is U/C, there name is all over the plans :-)

[Kushantaiidan]

Originally posted by tayser
You'd think so!

Looking at this one again:

http://www.winstruc.com/winport1/winport1_06a.jpg

it does look somewhat odd in the whole vista present in the rendering... *shrug*

I must say, it looks awesome in that position, with the step down of the buildings.

[Fountainhead]

Originally posted by Grollo
huh? DCM are the architects for the tower that is U/C, there name is all over the plans :-)

Well, I know that Peddle Thorp are doing it now. I recently had a job interview with the managing director of PTA, who mentioned they were the architects for HWT, as well as 4 other office towers in Melbourne. I assumed that they did the concept design as well, but they may have taken over as contract documentation / administration architects after DCM submitted the council application. I would say that when Multiplex came on board, they probably went out to tender for architects to complete the project, and Peddle Thorp won on fees....

[Blabbyboy]

Originally posted by Fountainhead
Well, I know that Peddle Thorp are doing it now. I recently had a job interview with the managing director of PTA, who mentioned they were the architects for HWT, as well as 4 other office towers in Melbourne. I assumed that they did the concept design as well, but they may have taken over as contract documentation / administration architects after DCM submitted the council application. I would say that when Multiplex came on board, they probably went out to tender for architects to complete the project, and Peddle Thorp won on fees....
All I can say is...WTF?!!! Is DCM in or not with this tower?

Tays, I don't know what you're saying...it looks shithouse!

Fountainhead, that Brissie tower looks awesome! The coloured bands at the base are very similar to DCM's submission for the Fed Square competition!

[lozza]

Sorry

Don't agree.

I think the Yellow Stilts in the Old rendering look Lousy and tacky !:puke:

I much prefer the new design ! :rock:

cheers

lozza

[Blabbyboy]

Originally posted by lozza
Sorry

Don't agree.

I think the Yellow Stilts in the Old rendering look Lousy and tacky !:puke:

I much prefer the new design ! :rock:

cheers

lozza
No, I agree that the newer design is better than the yellow stilts version, but the new design is...still shit!

[Fountainhead]

Originally posted by Blabbyboy
All I can say is...WTF?!!! Is DCM in or not with this tower?

Tays, I don't know what you're saying...it looks shithouse!

Fountainhead, that Brissie tower looks awesome! The coloured bands at the base are very similar to DCM's submission for the Fed Square competition!

DCM are not the architects. They were to start with, but they are not working on the project now.

The current design to me looks very unlike DCM. Either way, with DCM out of the picture, the design will not progress much beyond what that latest image shows, which is really just another articulated box. The best thing about DCM is the fine detail and care they put into their projects, not just the "big picture", town planning stage concept.

Blabby, I know the FedSquare design that you are referring to, but I am really glad they did not win that one....would have been a bit too much of a good thing for Melbourne. The coloured boxes on Brizzy Square are a public library, council functions and retail, so they are very similar in concept to FedSquare in function...

[lozza]

Cool Blabby

I think the new design will sort of look like 15 William street in a way.

Hopefully , it will look good when the glass starts going up on it, but i suppose we will have to waith and see :rant:

i definitely that end of town needs a glass tower, and i am thankful that this building is glass, if nothing else.:bash:

cheers

lozza

[uewepuep]

http://melbournephotos.gotdns.com/pics/2003-09-11%20Melbourne%20-%20Swanston%20st,%20Collins%20st%20and%20101%20/IMG_2695.JPG

[tayser]

Dan, next time you have to "touch base" - lemme know, cos I wanna come! :( :) :D :guns1:

[lozza]

this building will look sooooooooooo cool when finished !:cool:

i love the combination of the old faceade ( keeping the history ) mixed with the new glass office tower ! :cheers: :bash:

it will look fantastic !

cheers

lozza :cool:

[Richo]

I'm confused. Which design is the one to be built? Can someone please post a pic of the 'new design' so that dumb shits like me can update our files.

[tayser]

It's here Richo: http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9578&perpage=25&pagenumber=6 [Page 6]

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/07/203419.jpg

[Richo]

Thanks Tays. That looks much better that the original design.

2 Questions.

I noticed that the taller section is now towards the back of the building, near the brown twin towers (northern side). Wasn't the taller section originally at the front on Flinders Street?

Is it the same height as before?

[tayser]

It'll probably be the same height, from memory, silvermb got the plans from DOI and it did have the tallest part facing South West - who knows now though, I dont think anyone's seen the updated scheme.

[Blabbyboy]

Originally posted by tayser
It'll probably be the same height, from memory, silvermb got the plans from DOI and it did have the tallest part facing South West - who knows now though, I dont think anyone's seen the updated scheme.
This design reminds me a little of 1 Collins St, except that it's in glass. It seems that DCM's approach to heritage is to build on top of it using stilts. That's a 20 year old approach to the problem...hardly innovative. And that report damning DCM's involvement made clear reference to DCM.

[BraddyBoy]

I wonder how much of the view from The Philadelphia Building will be lost... :(

[Blabbyboy]

Originally posted by BraddyBoy
I wonder how much of the view from The Philadelphia Building will be lost... :(

I think the answer would be...lots! But they knew what they were buying into, and anyway they faced Collins Place, so too bad I say. They're rich enough to buy into Eureka or FWP resi!

[BraddyBoy]

Yeah, but my whole aim in life was to own one of those city view Philadelphia 'skyhomes' :( The two storey apartments with the huge mezzanine and glass walls looking along Flinders Lane.

I lived in a 2 storey apartment there last year, looking out over the park side of the building and the city view is 10 times better, well at least it was.

Will E&Y Tower @ HWT be taller than the rooftop pool on The Philadelphia?

I'd better start saving for a Eureka or FWP low rise :(

How pissed off would the Sofitel and Cafe La be, now that their view may/may not be obscured by this blob on stilts :bleep:

The penthouses in The Philadelphia went to auction at $1.6mil, passed in, $1.4mil, passed in and then eventually went for around $1.1mil and now they lose the view. I dont often dislike buildings....but E&Y tower should be dynamited :)

[Grollo]

Plans for a major office tower on the HWT building were around well before the Philadelphia was even proposed. At the time the Philadelphia was in sales they were still hoping to get a 192m tower in the site!

If you buy in the CBD then you take your chances if there are developable sites that could block your view. If nobody was allowed to block anyones views we would have NO development in the CBD.

The owners of Collins Place could have bought the HWT building to prevent a tower being built there (like 101 Collins did with the whole block between Flinders Lane and Flinders Street) but they didn't so bad luck. I'm sure that the Reserve bank was pretty pissed when Collins Place blcoked all of their views and that the owners of Gilbert Court were pissed off when the Reserve Bank blocked their views :-)

[BraddyBoy]

Yeah but its still a killer view from the pool deck on Philadelphia.

Will E&Y @ HWT be taller than Philadelphia?

[tayser]

MUCH taller ;)

E&Y = ~160m!

[lozza]

a quick question as its pretty unclear in the rendering above:

Is the lowersection of the tower on stilts like the old version of the building?

from memory, i think it is on stilts also, but its just not clear enough in the above pic???

Kind of like citicorp in New York ey !

cheers

lozza :dooby:

[tayser]

http://www.eybuilding.com.au/

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Say hello to my new Avatar: ;)
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weird! those yellow poles are still there hah!

still though, I like their site, all they need now is a webcam! :D

[Grollo]

Sorry, I gave BHP-Billiton a chance to prove itself thinking it would look better than the renderings but I'm not going to make the same mistake this time.

This building, like BHP-Billiton, is boring crap way short of the standards set by the office buildings of the late 80's boom . Shiny glass can make almost any building look good but the basic design of this one looks like it was done on the back of a napkin over lunch. I see no advances between this building and a typical 70's office building (in fact, in my opinion 140 William Street, is asthetically and technically superior).

Just have a look at 126 Phillip Street is Sydney for innovate forward thing office design. Even if you think that 126 Phillip is not the most beautiful building, it's still a cutting edge design incorporating state of the art design elements unlike this uninspired piece of shit.

Isn't it strange how the same city that can churn out the most innovate and stunning residential towers in the world can also build the most boring and uninspired office buildings in the world.

[tayser]

"The boringness that had to be?"

I'm not going to pass judgement for a while yet, however, wouldn't you agree these no frills, no BS attached, big floor-plate towers are what Melbourne needs in the medium term in terms of attracting tenants, all the while in the long run, more higher-quality almost "boutique" developments are put on the boil, such as C21 ?

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/c21a.jpg

Isn't it strange how the same city that can churn out the most innovate and stunning residential towers in the world can also build the most boring and uninspired office buildings in the world.

ahhah, but don't forget that Melbourne's the only city in Australia that has towers of 120C, 101C, MC, BP and ASX calibre!

Next commercial cycle we might get more flashy [that's, IMO, all 126 Phillip St, like all Sydney buildings, is!] maybe?

[lozza]

i still dont get it.

does the latest design have the yellow stilts or not?

those renderings look old !:hmm: :hmm:

cheer

lozza

[Kushantaiidan]

I love this tower. I love it's position, I like it's clean design, I love the way it's plonked on top of the old wht building. It's the perfect height for making that section of the skyline look better than it is already.. I'll be watching this one closely.

I hope these renders Tays has posted are the real renders, and not the otherone with the highest step not fronting flinders, and the white edges.. eghch!

[A-brain]

Umm ..we are not getting any flashy towers this cycle ??

Hello! I think one or two towers going up on Southbank are the showponies of the current cycle .. the stuff in the CBD is just bulkifiying stuff - which the CBD desparately needs ..

What the CBD doesn't really need is more showponies itself - it already has glamour towers in the aforementioned ones ... but these new boys will all be good solid additions..

I for one am pretty happy with our cop .. though I agree it's sad BHP Biliton & SxC had to be toned down..

But it's economically a tough environment these days.. builders simply can't afford to be too 'flashy' as it costs more to construct - so I think's it better to have them than not at all..

[Grollo]

We are getting some stunning towers this cycle but mostly residential. It's just dissapointing when you see the DCM cigar tower that could have been built on this site. It was one of the best deigned skyscrapers ever proposed for this city. It had a huge light filled atrium surrounding the massive circular lift core and stunning details on the apartment level facades with a clean glass facade for the office levels above.

The current proposal wasn't a carefully thought out and beautifully detailed design like the first proposal. The cigar tower went through a lengthy process to perfect it so that the council, state govenrment, VCAT and the national trust all agreed that the final result would be a stunning landmark tower on this landmark site. The process that the current proposal went through was rushed from start to finish and threw out all of the careful planning that went into the first proposal.

Basically E&Y told C-BUS that they wanted a square tower or they would go elsewhere. So C-BUS got DCM to do a rush job with a squre floorplate in a matter of weeks. When they were told by the planning panel that the tower was crap they quickly rushed in some amendments with the varying roof heights and pressured the minister into approving it by saying that the development would not go ahead without the E&Y precommitment. So with a state government paranoid about looking like they are delaying yet another development they approved it even though the council and the panel thought the design was still crap.

Why should Melbourne have the attitude that we are a second class city, so desperate to attract business that we have to put up with second class developments? The image we shoudl project is that of a progressive world class city which will only accept cutting edge design, not a city with really cheap office space for companies that can't afford to move to Sydney.

[Blabbyboy]

Originally posted by Grollo
We are getting some stunning towers this cycle but mostly residential. It's just dissapointing when you see the DCM cigar tower that could have been built on this site. It was one of the best deigned skyscrapers ever proposed for this city. It had a huge light filled atrium surrounding the massive circular lift core and stunning details on the apartment level facades with a clean glass facade for the office levels above.

The current proposal wasn't a carefully thought out and beautifully detailed design like the first proposal. The cigar tower went through a lengthy process to perfect it so that the council, state govenrment, VCAT and the national trust all agreed that the final result would be a stunning landmark tower on this landmark site. The process that the current proposal went through was rushed from start to finish and threw out all of the careful planning that went into the first proposal.

Basically E&Y told C-BUS that they wanted a square tower or they would go elsewhere. So C-BUS got DCM to do a rush job with a squre floorplate in a matter of weeks. When they were told by the planning panel that the tower was crap they quickly rushed in some amendments with the varying roof heights and pressured the minister into approving it by saying that the development would not go ahead without the E&Y precommitment. So with a state government paranoid about looking like they are delaying yet another development they approved it even though the council and the panel thought the design was still crap.

Why should Melbourne have the attitude that we are a second class city, so desperate to attract business that we have to put up with second class developments? The image we shoudl project is that of a progressive world class city which will only accept cutting edge design, not a city with really cheap office space for companies that can't afford to move to Sydney.
Grollo,
Well said - I agree completely. This is classic pandering to commercial interests - to be honest, it's pandering to the CLIENT! Unfortunately C-Bus owned the site, so that was the problem. The cigar tower was brilliant!!! BRING IT BACK!!! Or make it a resitower and put it somewhere else prominent in the CBD or Southbank or Docklands!!!:bleep: :rant: :bleep: :rant: :bleep: :rant:

And of course now the big news is the potential spill in Premium & A-Grade commercial space...everyone playing musical chairs, vacancy rates or rental yields being threatened by the likes of SXC and UW (both shit to the max, and so is BHP@QV!)...so it's not like Melb DESPERATELY needs the new towers - it's all very political, very much to do with individual developers maximising relatively short-term returns (in the life of Melb, but long term in their lifetimes) on their sites. Tays, Melb doesn't NEED the office space in the short term - it's all about individual developers looking to pick off potential new tenants coming off their rental cycles (ie out of long term lease contracts). And damn the clients for being so damned conservative!!! Why don't the parties with the funds get more funky, baby?!!!!

As Hinch the bearded budgie, would say: SHAME SHAME SHAME!

[tayser]

:lol:

The vacancy rates in Melbourne were approaching critical before all these projects got off the ground (they were at 4 or 5%, no?) - so there was a need for at least some of these projects.

re: SX, EH! It's Green & black (or a very dark / conservative navy blue), it's imposing, it fills a ghastly hole, it has setbacks, it's very different, (no I was NOT trying to rip off Kath and Kim there ;)) it'll be a very welcome change to the long and slender classic scrapers of the East End.

[Grollo]

I think SX will be a much better tower than this one, nothing amazing, but better. Urban Workshop, although plain looking incorporates many cutting edge design features, unlike E&Y.

[BraddyBoy]

It's criminal that such an ugly building is going to block the view from Sofitel, Cafe La & the pool deck of The Philadelphia Building......mind you a bunch of glorified accountants only deserve such a building....

[Fountainhead]

It is unfortunate that for the most part, the future of our built environment is determined more by accountants than architects. @Grollo.... great post, totally agree. While I don't have too much of a problem with BHP/QV, this building is so prominent that it deserves a far better design. I can understand BHP from an ESD viewpoint, but this has nothing going for it....such a wasted opportunity:(

Interesting that the only architectural "feature" is the yellow sticks, which is also the website "theme"...they also claim it as "architectural excellence".

[tayser]

http://metropolis.tayser.net/misc/ey0210031.jpg

fear it

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[A-brain]

Great work Big T ... caught a glimpse of the core today... FINALLY after all this time !!! Yee-bloody-har !!

So Melbourne's 'Big 4' office towers for this cycle are all finally underway with cores - E&Y, PWC, SxC & UWT .. all shorter than hoped for but all 500ft+ (or thereabouts) so you'd take that..

Looks like YELLOW POLES are definately here to stay!

[tayser]

myep, they're all (except 2SB) at the same stage when I first saw the Eureka site, corebox being constructed / finished construction - starting upwards commencement :guns1:

[Bluestar]

I could almost stomach this building were it not for the yellow poles. They're just BAD on a few different levels. Grollo, If it is as you say then it's a freakin disgrace. Bracks and his house of cards government is therefore directly influencing mediocre scraper design, if I'm understanding you right...put it this way, who in your opinion must be considered the MOST responsible for this design, rather than the cigar, getting the nod?

Blue

[Billy the Kid]

Originally posted by Bluestar
I could almost stomach this building were it not for the yellow poles. They're just BAD on a few different levels. Grollo, If it is as you say then it's a freakin disgrace. Bracks and his house of cards government is therefore directly influencing mediocre scraper design, if I'm understanding you right...put it this way, who in your opinion must be considered the MOST responsible for this design, rather than the cigar, getting the nod?

Blue

Mate get over the Bracks hatred very un christian!
What about the owners and designers dont they have a say in what is being built?
The Government dosent make all the decisions on what is built!

[silvermb]

billy every time i read you extolling the virtues of the labor party it reminds me of someone trying to push shit up a hill with a stick

everyone dropped the ball on this one, including government. dont bag him because he asked who was most responsible for the design. all this tower needs is a decent facade and the design is fine, wouldn't be the first time a finished tower differs to the renderings and in the process exceeds expectations

[Billy the Kid]

Originally posted by silvermb
billy every time i read you extolling the virtues of the labor party it reminds me of someone trying to push shit up a hill with a stick

everyone dropped the ball on this one, including government. dont bag him because he asked who was most responsible for the design. all this tower needs is a decent facade and the design is fine, wouldn't be the first time a finished tower differs to the renderings and in the process exceeds expectations
If you read my posts you will find that I dont always agree with every thing the Govt does but I dislike the constant whineing and bagging that goes on about anything that is remotely conected to the Govt.
I dont think that Bracks is doing such a bad job he is just not the same sort of person that Kennett was- much more cautious.
And the latest poll shows the vast majority of Victotians agree with me as the Labor vote has gone UP since the election.

[Grollo]

Originally posted by Bluestar
I could almost stomach this building were it not for the yellow poles. They're just BAD on a few different levels. Grollo, If it is as you say then it's a freakin disgrace. Bracks and his house of cards government is therefore directly influencing mediocre scraper design, if I'm understanding you right...put it this way, who in your opinion must be considered the MOST responsible for this design, rather than the cigar, getting the nod?

Blue

If you want someone to blame look at Ernst & Young, they were the ones who told C-Bus that they wouldn't lease anything unless it was a square floorplate. The government made the decision based on the bad press that it would get if the tower hadn't gone ahead. I'm sure that Jeff Kennett would have made exactly the same decision.

[lozza]

Gday Billy,

What do u have against Christians anyway ?

U seem to always have a smart arse remark to the Chistians on this forum all the time ?????? Its as if you have had a bad experience with a Christian in the past, and you can't let it go for some reason?????

Maybe i am wrong, but thats just my observation.......

Now, back to the topic:

As for the buillding, i think it has its good & bad points. I like the glass, the old faceade , but i hate the yellow stilts !


cheers

lozza

[Billy the Kid]

Have a look at his avatar.
I dislike people who flaunt their religion and are so certain that they are right and everyone else is so wrong thats why I will "have a go at them"!
Why cant people like you keep your religion to your self?
I dont go around flagwaving my religious beliefs and I dont like other views being pushed down my throat.
I made up my mind about all religions a long time ago particually christianity which I find to be one of the most repressive and backward thinking ones.

[lozza]

Gday Billy ,

who said anything was ever being pushed down yr throat ????

Its just peoples opinions Billy ! Nothing more ! If Bluestar wants to share his opinion, then , u will just have to accept it , build a bridge & get over it !!!!

If u don't like tothers opinions, well....... Stiff Shit !!!

I just personally think that u "Never" , "Ever" have anything nice to say about anyone............


As for the building, i think it will make a fine addition to the skyline up the Paris End of Collins Street !

cheers

Lozza !

[lozza]

By the way

Billy, RE: Bluestars Avitar:

SO WHAT !!!!! Whats wrong with it ????

Believe me , no one gives a shit about your avitar !!!

His religion has got nothing to do with his opinion on the Building we are discussing , or his opinions on Steve Bracks for that matter !!!

Cheers

Lozza :dooby:

[Billy the Kid]

Originally posted by lozza
By the way

Billy, RE: Bluestars Avitar:

SO WHAT !!!!! Whats wrong with it ????

Believe me , no one gives a shit about your avitar !!!

His religion has got nothing to do with his opinion on the Building we are discussing , or his opinions on Steve Bracks for that matter !!!

Cheers

Lozza :dooby:
So why promote it then? His religious preference is just that - nothing to do with the subjects on this forum.:angel1:

[lozza]

Cool Billy !

i c yr point !

no probs!

cheers

lozza :dooby:

[Bluestar]

Whoa...what a way to create a shitstorm!

Just for the record, some of my best friends vote labor, hate Jeff Kennett and think Christianity has lost the plot. I ain't trying to impose my belief system on anyone, I'm merely stating my own, within the constraint of 25 characters.

You'll probably find that folks who have turned Christianity into a circus have completely missed the point anyway, and should therefore not be counted as representative of what Christianity is meant to be about. (Eg what the New Testament actually says, instead of what people read into it.)

Anyways...

Billy, relax dude.



Yellow poles. Blech. Ernst and Young...think outside the square you (will) live in!

Blue

[Kushantaiidan]

Originally posted by lozza
Gday Billy,

What do u have against Christians anyway ?

U seem to always have a smart arse remark to the Chistians on this forum all the time ?????? Its as if you have had a bad experience with a Christian in the past, and you can't let it go for some reason?????

Maybe i am wrong, but thats just my observation.......





EDITED: POST MOVED TO SKYBAR

-Kush

[lozza]

SPOT ON, SPOT ON , SPOT ON !!

RE:

"You'll probably find that folks who have turned Christianity into a circus have completely missed the point anyway, and should therefore not be counted as representative of what Christianity is meant to be about. (Eg what the New Testament actually says, instead of what people read into it.) "

" THATS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT CHRISTIANITY BLUESTER ! "

I wish three were more people out there like u matey ! ( shrug )

cheers

lozza

[flyin_higher]

I'd like to shake your hand Lozza!

Jesus didn't say "follow the church" or "follow other chrisitans" he said "Follow me"!!
(for the record)

[ciaobellaxo]

Originally posted by Billy the Kid
So why promote it then? His religious preference is just that - nothing to do with the subjects on this forum.:angel1:

Billy, Billy, Billy. Bluestar is entitled to his opinion like the rest of us mate but as far as his avitar goes, why make a big thing out of it?? I'm sure there might be people who aren't happy with some of the avitars on this website and I'm sure there may be some people that get pissed off with me showing that I'm a Geelong supporter as they may hate them and/or obviously it has nothing to do with skyscrapers!!! Point I'm trying to make is why make something out nothing in terms of someone's avitar when all they are doing is showing what they enjoy doing or who they support, etc.? That's all.

Every Australian has a right to their own opinion when it comes to the Government but you'll be guaranteed that someone gets pissed off at it! Get over it and concentrate on what we're here for - to discuss the ever changing skyline of our great city!!

Chill dudes! We're starting to sound like we're in parliament!! We all enjoying being here so let's not start a shit fight about something so insignificant!!

:D

[silvermb]

alright people, back on track. core has risen a few levels and you can just see the formwork on the lower levels inside the existing building, they're about to pour the floors in what was probably the old foyer? though they would have kept it as the foyer from Exhibition, not to be.

get up the carpark when the core's just shy of it. As the core rises over the carpark, it'll be either covered over or closed

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