View Full Version : Kibera Slum Upgrading


mikeotechi
September 17th, 2009, 07:16 AM
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WHAT A NOBLE CAUSE!

By Ramadhan Rajab(East African Standard)
Prime Minister Raila Odinga led the long awaited relocation of Kibera slum residents to upgraded houses.
Raila, who flagged off hundreds of Soweto East households to the new site, said the relocation marked the start of stemming the tide of slums. Government has a 15-year plan to replace slums with affordable housing with donor support.
"Absence of decent housing means abundance of other problems," Raila said. "Today, we make the first step towards meeting the basic needs and rights and saying no to slum related problems. This is an initial step towards the attainment of Millennium Development Goals."
The relocation, the premier said, was part of the realisation of a long dream towards decent but affordable housing. Raila put on notice land grabbers, whom he said were a major setback to the implementation of slum upgrading programmes.
Title deeds
"We are declaring zero tolerance to land grabbing. Those threatening us with ‘sanctity’ of title deeds which might have been gotten through ill means should be warned all public land will be repossessed," the PM said.
Housing Minister Soita Shitanda termed the relocation a success and a break from history where slum-upgrading projects benefited untargeted groups. He said in the phase one of the project, Sh2 billion was spent to cater for 1,000 households moved yesterday.
INSTEAD OF THE SENSELESS POLITICKING

ernestombayo7
September 17th, 2009, 07:43 AM
finally a decisive step towards eradicating slums.

ewangai
September 17th, 2009, 09:35 AM
this is agood thing but we have a few nubian iddiots cropping up with letters dating back to the early 1900's claiming they were "given" the land by the government then. they claim to be the landlords and want to be compensated by the government for loss of earnings.

also i saw a few people complaining that the 100 a month rent is too much. seriously some people cannot be helped but i hope a bit of a strong hand from Raila and co will do the trick

Jim856796
September 18th, 2009, 08:40 AM
This whole development wikk take 1,178 years to complete. No development is supposed to take that long. I can construct a city with 1,000,000 persons in 100 years.

mikeotechi
September 18th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Jim856796,
Before I respond to your assertion,
I have two questions for you:
1.Could you explain the basis of your extrapolation?
2.Might you be Kenyan by any chance?

desert burner
September 18th, 2009, 04:38 PM
she is south African though she follows Kenyan issues for sometime now:) in this one i think she has a strong case though:)

mikeotechi
September 19th, 2009, 03:33 PM
Thanks DB,
For the reasons put forward by DB, I just want to welcome Jim856796 to Kenya. A journey of one thousand miles begins with one step.

Jim856796
September 19th, 2009, 04:48 PM
I am not South African or Kenyan and I am not female, I just like to make posts everywhere on SSC. Can we please get back on topic?

Kenguy
September 19th, 2009, 07:29 PM
This whole development wikk take 1,178 years to complete. No development is supposed to take that long. I can construct a city with 1,000,000 persons in 100 years.

1000 years? are you kidding.

Lets do the math. Kibera houses roughly 800,000 people. Lets take the average family to comprise of 5 individuals though in many cases this is much higher. So we are talking about roughly 160,000 households here. Now, this newly completed project has a capacity of 1000 households meaning we will need 160 housing projects to make Kibera history. I dont think thats a really herculean task given the number of simmilar structures that come up in the higher end suburbs of Nairobi.

Consider another scenario. What if communities or even the current ''slumlords'' were to be given title to the land and incentives to put up 160 large projects of highrise low cost housing? It can be done in phases, build the projects, move the families, develop the vacant land left behind.

mikeotechi
September 19th, 2009, 09:48 PM
1000 years? are you kidding.

Lets do the math. Kibera houses roughly 800,000 people. Lets take the average family to comprise of 5 individuals though in many cases this is much higher. So we are talking about roughly 160,000 households here. Now, this newly completed project has a capacity of 1000 households meaning we will need 160 housing projects to make Kibera history. I dont think thats a really herculean task given the number of simmilar structures that come up in the higher end suburbs of Nairobi.

Consider another scenario. What if communities or even the current ''slumlords'' were to be given title to the land and incentives to put up 160 large projects of highrise low cost housing? It can be done in phases, build the projects, move the families, develop the vacant land left behind.

Thank you Kenguy for coming out so factually. I was actually at a loss on why Jim856796 was being so pessimmistic. Even without presenting hard figures, its possible to eliminate Slums in this lifetime. Lee Kuan Yu did it for Singapore. By "Housing Projects" Kenguy,am assuming you mean Apartment Blocks. Using your case scenerio, and considering the numerous flats that sprout by the day in Nairobi; just a little injection of the private sector investment and with government subsidy,it will do the trick even before 2012. And I think Government is on track.

BUTEMBO21
September 20th, 2009, 12:27 AM
You guys might be hate me for talking garbage about Kenya gov. but i have to give the whole country CREDITS for taking steps some richer countries ( resource, Oil wise) have not done for themselves.


Congrats to Kenya for Panguza buchafu. ( Clean the rubbish).

Kenguy
September 20th, 2009, 07:21 AM
You guys might be hate me for talking garbage about Kenya gov. but i have to give the whole country CREDITS for taking steps some richer countries ( resource, Oil wise) have not done for themselves.


Congrats to Kenya for Panguza buchafu. ( Clean the rubbish).

Actually, very few of us like the current government but we have to give credit where its due.

JARIBU
September 22nd, 2009, 01:43 AM
I will admit that I am one of those who thought that this was just another pipe dream from our politicians. It's encouraging to see the first phase come to fruition. Those apartments are certainly a big step from the hovels below.


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WHAT A NOBLE CAUSE!

By Ramadhan Rajab(East African Standard)
Prime Minister Raila Odinga led the long awaited relocation of Kibera slum residents to upgraded houses.
Raila, who flagged off hundreds of Soweto East households to the new site, said the relocation marked the start of stemming the tide of slums. Government has a 15-year plan to replace slums with affordable housing with donor support.
"Absence of decent housing means abundance of other problems," Raila said. "Today, we make the first step towards meeting the basic needs and rights and saying no to slum related problems. This is an initial step towards the attainment of Millennium Development Goals."
The relocation, the premier said, was part of the realisation of a long dream towards decent but affordable housing. Raila put on notice land grabbers, whom he said were a major setback to the implementation of slum upgrading programmes.
Title deeds
"We are declaring zero tolerance to land grabbing. Those threatening us with ‘sanctity’ of title deeds which might have been gotten through ill means should be warned all public land will be repossessed," the PM said.
Housing Minister Soita Shitanda termed the relocation a success and a break from history where slum-upgrading projects benefited untargeted groups. He said in the phase one of the project, Sh2 billion was spent to cater for 1,000 households moved yesterday.
INSTEAD OF THE SENSELESS POLITICKING

Kenguy
September 22nd, 2009, 07:48 AM
I will admit that I am one of those who thought that this was just another pipe dream from our politicians. It's encouraging to see the first phase come to fruition. Those apartments are certainly a big step from the hovels below.

Kibera can be history. We just need the political will for things to move.

SE9
September 27th, 2009, 08:05 AM
Closing the thread, as there's a thread for slum-upgrading in the projects & developments section.