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renell
September 1st, 2004, 08:28 AM
how about the one near Harrison Plaza? is that still u/c?

i know the one in Makati, though not the Ortigas one...

thomasian
September 1st, 2004, 12:35 PM
Xavier Hills and California Garden Square of Empire East is also u/c.

Xavier Hills is located in the corner of Gilmore and N. Domingo sts.
The tallest of the four towers is 19 storeys but it has loft levels so it will be almost twice as high as an ordinary 19 storey scraper.

Here are the pictures taken this afternoon.
http://www.geocities.com/a_ofngol/xavier_hills.txt
[IMG]http://www.geocities.com/a_ofngol/xavier_hills_2.txt

mhe-ann
September 1st, 2004, 02:04 PM
wow! astig...raining..taken inside the car..galing! :)

thomasian
September 1st, 2004, 04:12 PM
Actually, taken inside a taxi and with a PDA cam so wala akong problema sa focus.

Laki kasi masyado ng digicam to bring with me anytime eh, saka pag umuulan eh the digicam tends to autofocus on the raindrops on the window instead of the subject being photographed kaya mas ok gamitin yung PDA cam when its raining.

Kiel
September 1st, 2004, 04:14 PM
cool pics :D I pass by that building every day, so I know that :)

Francis20
September 1st, 2004, 04:42 PM
@ Thomasian...that's the setback in using auto focus digicam. next time, you better get an SLR-digicam. like what GreyX has. I know u can afford to get one. @ Php 50K. :D

thomasian
September 2nd, 2004, 07:45 AM
@ Thomasian...that's the setback in using auto focus digicam. next time, you better get an SLR-digicam. like what GreyX has. I know u can afford to get one. @ Php 50K. :D

Wahhh, I got my non-SLR Kodak DX4330 digicam for only PhP 20k.
I don't think I can afford to buy a PhP 50k SLR.

ryanr
September 2nd, 2004, 02:22 PM
I dont have an SLR Digicam. My Olympus C-4000 is still considered point and shoot. Its also quite old. It cost me 25k php last year.

renell
September 3rd, 2004, 12:20 AM
well it works, so that's good:D

i wouldn't spend much on a SLR digicam. i think point-and-shoot cams, like ryan's, is good enough for scraper shots. we'll get caught anyways taking shots with those cams.

Francis20
September 3rd, 2004, 02:20 PM
haha...get caught, eh? i got caught once. that was terrible. oh well, i was using a manual SLR cam. we really need smaller digicams now. MRT security people are more lenient when it comes to this. but i guess, taking pics at the platform is still prohibited. anyone who wants to test the waters? :D

renell
September 3rd, 2004, 02:22 PM
it's prohibited, provided they see you ;)

thomasian
September 5th, 2004, 05:17 PM
I don't really know where to post this one so I decided to post in the u/c thread.

The new Medical City along Ortigas Ave.
http://www.geocities.com/aaron_ofngol/new_medical_city.txt

Francis20
September 6th, 2004, 10:48 AM
nice one, thanks thomasian. had the chance to see it at close range. but had no cam at hand.

thomasian
September 6th, 2004, 12:21 PM
I was about to take a picture of it using the digicam but then the battery went uhhh... empty, but my ever reliable PDA came to the rescue and I was able to take that picture. :cool:

Francis20
September 6th, 2004, 01:19 PM
looks nice really. is that the tallest structure among the 3 towers? we're slowly having world-class hospitals like this one. adding up to Asian Hospital, and soon to be constructed St Luke at Fort Boni.

thomasian
September 6th, 2004, 03:20 PM
No, its not the tallest one.

The tallest is the one on the left of this pic that I took a couple of months ago.

BTW, only two towers were built, the unbuilt one is supposedly on top of the podium on the foreground.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid99/pe5d6486a6e9f67ffa37ee2614068e466/f9ec8952.jpg

mhe-ann
September 7th, 2004, 01:42 PM
Thanks for the pics @thomasian. ;)

ryanr
September 7th, 2004, 04:18 PM
The new Medical City is really nice. Good that we have world class hospitals now. We have the Asian hospital, Medical City and the upcoming St. Luke's in BGc.

Isnt the Medical City finished and operating? So it is no longer an u/c.

Francis20
September 7th, 2004, 05:20 PM
i dunno, i haven't been confined there yet, or haven't had a check up on that hospital.

cropher
September 7th, 2004, 06:47 PM
The new Medical City is really nice. Good that we have world class hospitals now. We have the Asian hospital, Medical City and the upcoming St. Luke's in BGc.
[QUOTE]

What about Makati Med Center? Is this hospital not considered world class by standards?

Thunderflip
September 7th, 2004, 10:05 PM
When I was still in the Philippines, the Makati Mdeical Center was the most highly advanced Hospital at the time. I dunno how it is now compared to the newer ones.

pau_p1
September 8th, 2004, 03:30 AM
well.. currently.. I think St. Luke's Hospital in QC has the most sophisticated medical equipments in the country now... and they'd soon have a branch in BGC

renell
September 8th, 2004, 09:18 AM
i visited Makati Med a few years back, and i've also been to a Belgian hospital. there's not much differences. but the hospital in Belgium i visited was located in the outer suburbs of Brussels, and it is not a built-up area. on the other hand, Makati Med is located in the middle of a CBD. i'd say it's the measuring stick of all the future top-notch hospitals.

hospitals in BGC, isn't it a bit isolated there to have emergency vehicles going in there? but i guess no traffic is better than heaps of traffic.

pau_p1
September 8th, 2004, 11:49 AM
well.. I think if there's more people coming in to the BGC... the quicker it will help in its development... currently BGC is not yet a busy area... so commerce is still quite struggling in the area...

Francis20
September 8th, 2004, 12:56 PM
The new Medical City is really nice. Good that we have world class hospitals now. We have the Asian hospital, Medical City and the upcoming St. Luke's in BGc.
[QUOTE]

What about Makati Med Center? Is this hospital not considered world class by standards?

i meant the newly built hospitals. i still think Makati med is on the top of the list among the best hospitals here in the country. and it has extablished its prestige over time. And the roofdeck will give you a breathetaking view of Makati CBD. But the structure is quite getting rotten now. I dunno how is it in the inside. I went only as far as the lobby....when i was sick and no healthcare people are in. (it was a holiday anyway).

JudeD
September 8th, 2004, 04:26 PM
St. Luke's has better doctors. They're known for hiring more on merit whereas Makati Med tends to hire based on "connections".

cropher
September 8th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Asian Hospital complex with its spanking building and being new is getting to be quite the favorite of well known personalities/celebrities to be confined /treated , I guess the prestige has not wear off yet .
The facilities are quite good and its very near the BFAD complex too and Muntinlupa City Hospital . Also, Civic Place condominium is now under construction beside Asian Hospital . The market of that condominium are the doctors , who may reside or hold their office/clinics there.

Francis20
September 9th, 2004, 10:43 AM
St. Luke's has better doctors. They're known for hiring more on merit whereas Makati Med tends to hire based on "connections".

it took me some time to realize how Jude could say this. now i remember, he is a doctor! yahoo...we got a doctor in the block!!!

ryanr
September 9th, 2004, 01:50 PM
but its true. St. Luke has some of the best doctors in the country. They also have some of the best equipment in the country. And thats in their old hospital, imagine how much better they will be in the newer BGC hospital that is coming up.

Francis20
September 9th, 2004, 01:55 PM
some new updates.

Bellagio has already broke grounds last july.

SOMA has its lot fenced.

Eaton is still on the basement levels. It's supposed to be done by December, and from then on, it would ease its way up. Hopefully. Floor to ceiling height was allegedly reduced to 2.8m. Then we have to make amendments on our height computations.

No news with my other contacts.

Thanks to my contacts who replied to my enquiry this morning!

And oh, by the way, Gilarmi will be torn down next year. So the project would push thru more or less.

ryanr
September 9th, 2004, 02:10 PM
Thanks for the updates, Francis!:)

So SOMA is about to start, huh? Very good. And Eaton's basement will be finished this December?

cool...Gilarmi will be torn down next year for a supertall. When exactly next year?:D

Francis20
September 9th, 2004, 02:32 PM
it was as plain as next year. so we got all year round to wait till Gilarmi is torn down. hopefully the new Gilarmi would look nice...! and the original plan of 70 something storey would materialize.

ryanr
September 9th, 2004, 02:34 PM
Ok. Next year isnt too far away. Especially if its early 2005. And i also hope that the 70 storey building will proceed as planned. It should look good:)

Francis20
September 9th, 2004, 02:51 PM
what if it would look like the old Gilarmi? Most serviced apartments have predominantly concrete on their facades.

Edmundtanso
September 9th, 2004, 09:48 PM
francis, thanks for the updates. looking forward to the new gilarmi.

also, serendra broke grounds this august =)

so will soma twin tower be buit at the same time?

Francis20
September 10th, 2004, 06:26 AM
errrr...i forgot to ask. the sales manager didn't imply of it being constructed one after the other. so most probably they will be built at the same time, like essensa.

Edmundtanso
September 10th, 2004, 07:20 AM
i beleive they would be built at the same time also

ryanr
September 10th, 2004, 07:32 AM
what if it would look like the old Gilarmi? Most serviced apartments have predominantly concrete on their facades.

I dont think so. And i hope not. They could make it a light colored glass/steel and concrete combo like One Roxas Triangle or Oakwood Premier. Or it could be a darker glass building like Pacific Towers in BGC. Newer Serviced Apartments do look good. the old gilarmi was really old, thats why.;)

Edmundtanso
September 10th, 2004, 08:02 AM
i hope the new gilarmi would have a nice design also. it's in a very prime location and hope the developer or woner would spend some money to get a good designer.....and if it is 70+ floors, it would be the tallest in the country....so it better be good looking =)

renell
September 10th, 2004, 08:26 AM
btw, looking back at old Makati photos, Gilarmi apartments was actually one of the tallest in Ayala avenue :D

yeah, don't expect all concrete and little glass in newer designs. unless of course you're talking about a cheapo, quickly-built, high-rise that will most likely collapse in an earthquake

ryanr
September 10th, 2004, 08:31 AM
yeah, don't expect all concrete and little glass in newer designs. unless of course you're talking about a cheapo, quickly-built, high-rise that will most likely collapse in an earthquake

yeah...which should definitely not be the case for a 70 storey gilarmi. It would be awful to see an ugly concrete 70 storey building. They will make it look nice, im counting on it.

Edmundtanso
September 10th, 2004, 08:37 AM
i do hope so

Francis20
September 10th, 2004, 10:02 AM
you may be right GreyX. Look at Four Seasons...it has nice facade with its one-way green glass window. Can't wait till its opened. something like Fraser Place would also do. The developer has some relations with Eatons developer...so hopefully, they would be a bit innovative in this.

renell
September 10th, 2004, 02:28 PM
haven't heard anything about Four Seasons for a month now. what's up with it? pics?

ryanr
September 10th, 2004, 02:29 PM
Yeah...how does it look like now?

Francis20
September 10th, 2004, 02:49 PM
wait till i get a digicam...or someone else could take care...Pau? are you around? or probably i'd use the remaining films i got for my SLR.

renell
September 11th, 2004, 01:25 AM
any type of photo will do. i just wanna see it:D is it finished inthe exterior?

ryanr
September 11th, 2004, 09:15 AM
cool...francis is getting a digicam. astig! high tech ka na, kuya:D

Francis20
September 11th, 2004, 11:08 AM
nyahh...di pa sure. sabi lang ng kapatid ko, bibigyan daw ako ng digicam. bk prototype dgcam. haha...

renell
September 12th, 2004, 02:06 AM
well whatever digicam, it's good:Dwell, unless it's a 1 mp digicam.now that's crap. 2.1mp is at least respectable.

pau_p1
September 17th, 2004, 02:21 AM
posting some new pics I took this morning... :D

One Legaspi Tower
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p78fa4ef7c333def70a2b4f7a7d65f2aa/f6fd3067.jpg

some pics of Shang Grand... see how tall and GRAND it is now...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p8d282d32f4d3975ab3e3d29024c07194/f6fd306b.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/pa06886eb7145e4df37dfa4d18034ac34/f6fd3071.jpg

OLT and Greenbelt Parkplace
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p3d90365c79ea22b23f80303a7dc2372d/f6fd306f.jpg

mhe-ann
September 17th, 2004, 04:08 AM
I like the second pic more, love that Enterprise...

renell
September 17th, 2004, 09:02 AM
a couple of questions

is that OLP's final color? it may have looked more grey because of the background though

and what's up with the coloring scheme or Greenbelt Parkplace? there seems to be two colors. quite frankly, i like the color scheme on the left.

pau_p1
September 17th, 2004, 10:07 AM
well it seems that it is OLP's color already....

and Parkplace really has 2 tones... maybe to differentiate each half... structurally, the exterior of each half of Parkplace is not the same....

I'll try to take a focused shot of it next time...

renell
September 17th, 2004, 04:15 PM
OLP's facade is something of a first in MM. or at least to me in MM:D

pau_p1
September 18th, 2004, 04:13 AM
second set of latest pix of u/c as of september...

Greenbelt Residences (Laguna Tower)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p497a563588aa701a7f9aad584d806a77/f6fa6b1e.jpg

GA Tower
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p498982b7f670b6f27e7010c57a668eed/f6fa6d58.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/pe90c0cc2dadea253833e85d8d2ee7a05/f6fa6d66.jpg

Lancaster Suites
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p6bfce713f7cfa0c4b7283e55f893124b/f6fa6d6e.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p68186e3b09eea6545963cada934857a4/f6fa6f73.jpg

Robinson's Pioneer - taken from MRT...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p89e339dcb14e817aa11114ad0aca3b2b/f6fa6d67.jpg

Robinson's Gateway Residences (behind Robinson's Pioneer)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/pf04b641779bba4070162f77c1effe3b4/f6fa6d5d.jpg

Shang Grand
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/p79653ae44880215c66f6698078af34f0/f6fa68e6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid139/pff068c67bac26985bd4bb98cc1623163/f6fa6f6c.jpg

renell
September 18th, 2004, 04:52 AM
awesome pics pau, as usual:)

Edmundtanso
September 18th, 2004, 06:27 AM
thanks pau! great shope of u/c

lancaster suite is tall from the renderings, anyone knows the story count?

renell
September 18th, 2004, 11:29 AM
33 storeys. it does look from the rendering in the site. the site photos show it as a stubby midget.:D

Francis20
September 18th, 2004, 02:27 PM
yes, its around that. or maybe exactly 33.
btw, there's a new rendering of SoMa at inquirer 2 or 3 days ago. it shows a worm view of the two towers, and it's the best rendering ive seen so far. maybe Thomasian can scan the page for us. it's on page 9 of inquirer. Thursday or Friday.
and it says 37 floors each, contrary to the earlier publicities that it has 35.

cropher
September 18th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Basta ba may crane sa underconstruction na building , does it mean that the building is a high rise?

Edmundtanso
September 18th, 2004, 05:57 PM
founf this on the website, rendered by a frm in manila, same people who did some of the serendra renderings. i figure this is in philippines and in BGC, what do you guys think?
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/8680499-L.jpg

renell
September 19th, 2004, 02:58 AM
Basta ba may crane sa underconstruction na building , does it mean that the building is a high rise?

not not necessarily. a crane can be just for any building of any height.

@Edmundtanso, this building is new to me. it looks like Pioneer Pointe, but that's in Mandaluyong.. nevertheless it looks cool

Francis20
September 19th, 2004, 08:11 AM
E-services building has 5 levels, and it has cranes. so it's not always a hi-rise. maybe the building is massive and things will be a lot easier with the crane hoisted there in the middle. why did you ask cropher?

Edmund, that tower looks like Forbes tower in some ways. it probably is in FBCG....seems like its Boni Ridge and Penhurst there on the left of the photo.

Francis20
September 19th, 2004, 08:14 AM
btw, i passed by Shang u/c yesterday. i counted the floors, its at least 35 levels now. and it's about 2 or 3 floors lower in height compared with Enterprise tower 1. There are 600+ total manpower according to the signboard.

renell
September 19th, 2004, 08:48 AM
that's heaps of people. and there's 10 storeys left to go. being 2 or 3 floors lower than Enterprise, it is safe to say it's around 160m.

francis, 190m could be off:D 160/35 then answerx46 is around 200-2005m!

Francis20
September 19th, 2004, 09:03 AM
errr...i dunno. most agents dunno what the height is. we can speculate at least. this is supposed to be as tall as Enterprise tower 1 including the trapezoidal top, whatever that is called. :D

Edmundtanso
September 19th, 2004, 05:10 PM
yeah, it looks like it is in BGC, looks cool! maybe we would hear about this project very soon!

pau_p1
September 20th, 2004, 03:59 AM
is shang be as tall as enterprise 1?... hmmm.. but from a picture rendering they have in Shangri-La mall.. it seemed this is taller... hmmm.. well we'll see after completion...:D

ryanr
September 20th, 2004, 07:50 AM
from the looks of it...Shang is taller than the shorter Enterprise (is that 1?).

ryanr
September 20th, 2004, 07:53 AM
^ ignore me...i dunno what i was saying...:D

the building Edmund posted could be in BGC, but i think renell is right. It might be in Mandaluyong. It looks quite odd, but that doesnt mean it looks bad. I just dont like the green walls:D

renell
September 20th, 2004, 08:06 AM
i thought it'd be Pioneer Pointe. but i guess im wrong. the scrapers on the back look like BGC ones (Boni Ridge?)

Edmundtanso
September 20th, 2004, 09:31 PM
if that building on the rendering were taller, it would be better because now it looks fat but nevertheless glad something modern design might be built in BGC

pau_p1
September 21st, 2004, 01:19 AM
from the looks of it...Shang is taller than the shorter Enterprise (is that 1?).

well.. Shang has already went past the height of the shorter Enterprise... not sure if that's 1 or 2...

renell
September 21st, 2004, 08:20 AM
Tower 2 is the smaller one. and it's 160m. so unless it suddenly goes small in the final floors, it will be taller than the 172m Enterprise

ryanr
September 21st, 2004, 08:46 AM
hmm...so it will be taller than both Enterprise buildings:)

renell
September 21st, 2004, 09:09 AM
what's the update on Laguna Tower? unlike the Shang this one's going pretty slow. how about the Columns?

ryanr
September 21st, 2004, 09:15 AM
Pau can speak for Laguna Tower...but Columns is well underway. I believe tower 1 has been topped off by now. It is also a fast u/c.

Manansala? is it done? It was also pretty fast.

thomasian
September 21st, 2004, 07:06 PM
Laguna tower taken last sunday
http://www.geocities.com/aaron_charles_ofngol/trag_laguna_twr_pda.txt

renell
September 22nd, 2004, 12:04 AM
Manansala has been topped out for a long time. i would think they'd be fitting the glass windows now. but Rockwells website has no updates.

thanks for the pic thomasian

pau_p1
September 22nd, 2004, 12:17 AM
well... Laguna Tower is for now what Thomasian has just posted... and yes this is taking quite a slow pace... and it seems to be a thin structure.... and its podium have thin beams...

this morning I was trying to take a picture of Manansala from the MRT but it was blurred so I'll try next time... anyways.. the glasses are being fitted now.. I think its already midway and it's looking better... I like it more than the OLT....

pau_p1
September 22nd, 2004, 02:31 AM
Greenbelt Parkplace
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p5c9911a43c2ed14a7a2de260a56a2ea2/f6ed5c3c.jpg

Francis20
September 22nd, 2004, 08:59 AM
what is OLT Pau? or ORT? or OLP?

renell
September 22nd, 2004, 09:10 AM
he could be talking about the other u/c, One Legaspi Park. if it's better than OLP, which imo is mediocre and still respectable in the Makati CBD unlike the building posted above, then it will look nice in Rockwell, which is very high-quality buildings

pau_p1
September 22nd, 2004, 09:38 AM
ohh.. yeah.. I meant One Legaspi... hehehe...

ronnaveth
September 22nd, 2004, 12:36 PM
greenbelt parkplace is quite wide

renell
September 22nd, 2004, 01:13 PM
and ugly too. it looks like the Burgundy/WofAyala situation actually, since the two buildings are colored different, and if you look closely, the window holes look different.

ryanr
September 22nd, 2004, 04:36 PM
Its not that bad, if you see it in person. It is just simply wide.

ryanr
September 22nd, 2004, 04:38 PM
topped off is not the same as done, renell:) So is Manansala finished? What are they doing now?

Thanks for the pic, Thomasian. Laguna is quite slow compared to others, but i think it is going at a reasonable pace for such a massive project. Looks good, at least they are now above eye level.

Edmundtanso
September 22nd, 2004, 09:40 PM
greenbelt parkplace doesn't look too bad, eventhough it's very bosy and wide, the squares insets from the windows gives it a character!

renell
September 23rd, 2004, 12:15 AM
topped off is not the same as done, renell:) So is Manansala finished? What are they doing now?

Thanks for the pic, Thomasian. Laguna is quite slow compared to others, but i think it is going at a reasonable pace for such a massive project. Looks good, at least they are now above eye level.

i thought topped off was reaching to the top level and done was finishing the facade, windows placed, etc. and handed over was when you could actually live it in.

thomasian
September 27th, 2004, 12:19 PM
Hey guys have you noticed Export Bank Plaza in the header today?
It's near the middle, it really looks like Export Bank Plaza (the former Urban Bank Plaza) maybe the creator of the banner is a Filipino.
What do you think?

http://skyscrapercity.com/images/forumheaders/27.jpg

pau_p1
September 28th, 2004, 02:16 AM
yeah.. it does look like the Export Bank.. hmmm...

Edmundtanso
September 28th, 2004, 09:24 PM
yes it does! if it is, i wish they picked a better building

ryanr
September 30th, 2004, 12:42 AM
No, the creator is not a Filipino. And, all those buildings are made by different people in Superpolis. I dont know who made the Export Bank look alike, but i dont think it is supposed to look like Export Bank, prolly just a coincidence. Renell made some of the buildings in Superpolis. If you want to see superpolis, click on the link on renell's sig:D

renell
September 30th, 2004, 02:10 AM
shaun made that banner. but yeah, greyx is right, it's made by different people from superpolis. and that ExportBank imitator is indeed an ExportBank imitator, minus the helipad, since i was too lazy to do that. i also have an LKG imitator and a GT imitator. i was planning on doing Enterprise and RCBC, but like said before, im too lazy to do that right now:D

ryanr
October 20th, 2004, 04:11 PM
yes, exactly @ Dvorak. I think my company is also a BPO. work from SW, MI, FR, IN, IT...etc were brought here. These are the types of businesses that caters to foreign clients. So they have to be up and about round the clock. Ours is til midnight. But most of them are 24-7, parang 7-11. And these are the ones that usually have the capital and budget that they can afford to rent grade A office spaces...(not with our case)...and give their employees all the comforts and a very comprehensive compensation package (errr...i think my co. qualifies to that)...there was a boom of BPOs in the last 3 years so most office towers that were just built in 2001 and beyond were the ones who enjoy high occupancy rate of these BPOs.
These include:

PB Com - less than 10 floors of its 53 floors are NOT lighted up every night. And about 20 floors are still lighted up beyond 12 midnight. With the coming of HSBC Customer Care Center, plus expansion of E-telecare, plus dozen of others...the whole tower is now almost full.

Summit - almost all 37 floors get lighted up every night. And only about 5 floors are not lighted up beyond midnight. It has Sykes, Convergys and People Support Call Centers and Hewlett-Packard-Compaq.

RCBC - since this is a PEZA certified IT Zone, it attracted so much BPOs (remember the benefits of being into IT zones?) And now, tower 2 is almost full considering that these Towers are relatively new...and expensive too. Tower 1 is also almost full
. It has a lot of BPO tenants inlcuding hi-caliber non-BPO tenants like the AUS and Canadian Embassies, Caltex, United Nations, HSBC, etc.

Enterprise - It has received PEZA accreditation recently. And if im not mistaken, it only has 2 contact center tenants. But it's one of makati's office address that has equally hi-caliber non-BPO tenants, like Sunlife,Pru-life UK Insurance Philipp Morris, Punongbayan Law Office, Sg Embassy, HSBC, etc. so all floors are lighted up at sundown but only 2 or 3 beyond midnight.

GT Tower - I believe this received PEZA accreditation as an IT bldg (different from IT zone) as well. And when i visited the building last saturday, it indeed seem like about 3/4 of the floors are occupied. Its tenatns include Toshiba, Accenture (who occupies several floors), McCann, what else? Metrobank of course, Aus and NZ Banking Group, Dupont, etc. there are a lot more. I forgot them. Sorry.

PhilamLife - it enjoys an almost 100% occupancy rate, with mostly american companies, I dunno why. Probably bec of the name. All floors are virtually lighted up at night, and since it has floor to ceiling clear curtain wall, it seems to be flooded with light when seen from a distance.

Burgundy and ExportPlaza - these towers are gradually gaining some tenants. I could see the upper most floors of these two lighted up at late night. These are probably BPO tenants.

Citibank Tower - of course this is the tower that im mostly familiar with. It also has well-known tenants. There is only one call center in the higher tower and probably 2 in the older one. Sample of tenants include - General Motors, McDonalds (the office, not the eatery), Japan Bank for Intl Cooperation (JBIC), Citibank of course, Errr...Korean Exchange Bank, Siguion-Reyna Law office, Del Monte, Cargill, Monsanto, Fuji Bank, American Chamber of Commerce, Boehringer Pharma (the maker of Pharmaton, Bisolvon, etc), Romulo Mabanta Buenaventura Sayoc & De Los Angeles Law Office, Phil Geothermal Cor...etc. tama na. pagod na ako mag isip. :D
and it's very off the topic na.

Great stuff!! I always see the top floors of Burgandy Corporate Plaza with lights even during Sundays late at night. I figured there are call centers in there. Anyways, thanks for all this info. I am concerned that a lot of the office space are being occupied by Outsourcing and BPOs. Is this correct, or just exaggerated? Are there still a lot of non-BPOs occupying office space?

On the other hand, i am happy that the vacancy rate is getting much less. More skyscrapers really soon!!

Out of curiousity, do you know where JP Morgan's office is? How about ING Life? I have a feeling they are in Ayala Tower 1...dunno. How about Chase Manhattan, New York Life, Met Life, Morgan Stanley, Allianz insurance, Maybank, etc all hold their office? And do you know what companies operate in Ayala Tower 1? Thanks...

Francis20
October 20th, 2004, 05:20 PM
GreyX, that was too much question from you dude. nway, that was always my interest, SPYING! haha...:D SO i would love to research about these companies.
PB Com has Sony Life and NY Life. There's also NY Life Ins in Ortigas, i forgot the building. It's the building near Orient Square. There's a signage in the facade, that's why i know. The best candidates for the companies that you just mentioned are Tower 1, Enterprise, Philam Life and PB Com of course. More discussions about these on the thread you just created. :D

ryanr
October 20th, 2004, 05:43 PM
hehehe...i know its a big question. but hats off to whoever fills up the most companies in the thread i created:D

Oh yeah..i saw that NY life signage in the Ortigas building.

thomasian
October 20th, 2004, 07:46 PM
That NY Life building in Ortigas is Wynsum Corporate Center.

Edmundtanso
October 20th, 2004, 09:26 PM
good news! hope to see new office projects comming up!

Dvorak
October 21st, 2004, 03:18 AM
@GreyX - Maybank's head office is still at Legaspi Towers in Vito Cruz, in front of Central Bank.

pau_p1
October 26th, 2004, 12:59 PM
GA Tower
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/p1dfe245e7157cf18257a4ad222568c12/f67fdcb4.jpg

Malayan
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/pb59de7b0da777c0a5b826c70ffbcf2ec/f67fdca6.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/p931e57de083d39ac382d5af778931bfb/f67fdc9d.jpg

Gateway Residence
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/pffae708342f2cbe5e983a8cb58ca7c51/f67fdc96.jpg

Union Bank
-- this is already open... but you can see that the fences are still up...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid144/p4e83755619faef6af8437784f34b5462/f67fdc78.jpg

ryanr
October 26th, 2004, 02:45 PM
I'm quite surprized that Malayan Center is not yet finished or at least looks finished. Did construction slow down again? And how come Union Bank still has fencing around it? The construction period of that building is taking a long time. GA Tower's progress looks good, quite fast. Thanks for these, paul:)

Edmundtanso
October 26th, 2004, 09:46 PM
thanks for the update pau!
is malayan construction currently going on?
union bank ground level looks good!

pau_p1
October 27th, 2004, 03:21 AM
yup... there is activity in malayan.... actually the glass curtains have just been installed, I think last month only...

thomasian
October 27th, 2004, 12:23 PM
Well, there's really activity in Malayan but they are going real slow.

ronnaveth
October 27th, 2004, 12:36 PM
malayan plaza reminds me of a scene at "the day after tomorrow"---when tornadoes were ripping buildings apart

renell
October 28th, 2004, 08:08 AM
let them take their time:D besides it looking like it's going to look nice anyways

is Union Bank still fully fenced?

pau_p1
October 28th, 2004, 08:38 AM
yup... tenants get into the building thru a back door... there is a small entrance at the back which is partially fenced... and I think its parking is still closed...

renell
October 28th, 2004, 08:42 AM
right thanks. that's pretty odd... i guess the lobby still isn't fully furnished and the parking as well.

ryanr
October 28th, 2004, 12:55 PM
I know...thats really odd. Reminds of SimTower...where tenants can occupy the building, even when the tower is still u/c:D

Malayan Center is gonna be awesome. I love the glass and its curves. Just for confirmation, is it really residential? I always had the thinking it was gonna be an office building. I dont like how Ortigas does not have proper zoning assignments, residentials and offices can be mixed together.

pau_p1
October 29th, 2004, 01:39 AM
huh... Malayan is residential?... I also thought and assume that it is an office building....

ryanr
October 29th, 2004, 03:44 AM
Yeah...thats what Francis said. And i also saw a banner that said they were pre-selling condo units. Bummer, because i think its better off as an office building.

thomasian
October 29th, 2004, 06:31 AM
Well, It is residential since they were really pre-selling condo units.
Before Malayan Insurance took over the construction of ASB-Malayan Tower and relaunched it as Malayan Plaza it is already residential since the original bankrupt developer is ASB realty which had already pre sold condo units in the building.
But when it was relaunched by Malayan Insurance as Malayan Plaza i'm not quite sure if it is still planned to become a full residential tower.

renell
October 29th, 2004, 08:45 AM
it could be mixed, just like Discovery Suites, which i believe is half serviced apartments, half office. yeah i have also seen Malayan Plaza selling condo units

ryanr
October 29th, 2004, 09:16 AM
Most probably it is mixed.

Edmundtanso
October 30th, 2004, 06:25 AM
Bay Condo
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569304-L.jpg
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569305-L.jpg
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569307-L.jpg

SACI
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569312-L.jpg

Garden in the City
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569309-L.jpg
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569311-L.jpg

Torre have we seen this?
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569313-L.jpg

No Names
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569308-L.jpg
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569314-L.jpg

renell
October 30th, 2004, 07:02 AM
i haven't seen "Bay Condo".. until now that is:D

Garden in the City is Oriental Gardens, i'm almost sure with the color and the podium.

"Torre" is most likely Torre Venezia, or could be that one in Espana.... but this one's in Manila. that im certain of.

i haven't seen the last two photos.. looks like office towers to me, you sure edmund they're in MM? if so :cool:

Chad
October 30th, 2004, 07:27 AM
I think this one is in Dubai..

http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569314-L.jpg

rmb
October 30th, 2004, 07:57 AM
I think thats the proposed AMA Tower.

thomasian
October 30th, 2004, 04:43 PM
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569314-L.jpg
Yeah, it does look like the propoosed AMA tower.

http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569313-L.jpg
This one is Torre Venezia - u/c along Timog Ave.

http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569309-L.jpg
This one does look like Oriental Gardens.

http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569312-L.jpg
This is the proposed building of (SACI) Southeast Asian College (formerly United Doctors Medical Center Colleges) and United Doctors Medical Center (UDMC) in Espaņa Manila.

absent-minded
October 31st, 2004, 06:58 PM
holy sweet...! nice renderings...!! would be absolutely awesome if they could put those up...

Thunderflip
October 31st, 2004, 09:02 PM
Wow, glassy!Very modern.

pau_p1
November 2nd, 2004, 12:46 AM
yeah... that last one ideed looks like a Dubai tower... specially the curved tower on the right...

about the SACI building on Mabuhay Rotonda... so this will replace the Manila Doctor's Hospital?... is that the correct name of that hospital....
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569312-L.jpg

Bay Condo looks nice... so where would it supposed to rise?

Edmundtanso
November 2nd, 2004, 05:07 AM
SACI building looks nice also!

bay condo, not sure where is the location but figure at the reclaimed area at manila bay?

ronnaveth
November 2nd, 2004, 10:53 AM
if ever mrt 4 is going to push through how can they manage to squeeze it at the already crowded welcome rotonda now that this huge building's being built

renell
November 3rd, 2004, 06:01 AM
underground, what else? ;)

thomasian
November 3rd, 2004, 03:19 PM
about the SACI building on Mabuhay Rotonda... so this will replace the Manila Doctor's Hospital?... is that the correct name of that hospital....
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569312-L.jpg

No, It's United Doctors Medical Center and I don't think it will be replaced.
If you noticed, the lower part of the building (12 story part - on the left) looks very much like the existing UDMC Hospital building so maybe they just re-cladded/renovated it and then incorporated into the SACI building.

ryanr
November 6th, 2004, 10:04 AM
btw, Bay Condo is finished.

I think this one is here. Since the one on the left is AMA Tower. So this project is still alive? Great! Wonder when they will be completed, and how tall the left ones are.
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569314-L.jpg

ryanr
November 6th, 2004, 10:05 AM
And SACI looks awesome. It will make that area look more modern, since it is full of older buildings.

Edmundtanso
November 6th, 2004, 05:32 PM
grey x
spoke with a friend that used to work for the architect that did bay condo, he said this project is planned for the reclaimed area but it's put on hold due to the economy. bay condo, i know there are bunch of towers also in roxas blvd. named bay condo, but definitelt it's not the same one.

renell
November 7th, 2004, 10:47 AM
you guys are thinking of Bay Gardens. ;)

ryanr
November 7th, 2004, 02:52 PM
you guys are thinking of Bay Gardens. ;)

Right...

thomasian
November 7th, 2004, 05:04 PM
But there's another condo complex in the reclamation area. The Golden Bay Condominiums, the one with four white towers of which one is still unfinished.

bagel
November 7th, 2004, 05:51 PM
No, It's United Doctors Medical Center and I don't think it will be replaced.
If you noticed, the lower part of the building (12 story part - on the left) looks very much like the existing UDMC Hospital building so maybe they just re-cladded/renovated it and then incorporated into the SACI building.

Wow. Talk about hitting near home. :)

I was born at UDMC and have family who are practicing doctors in that hospital, have a grandfather who was involved in the founding of that hospital, and a lot of my Philippines life revolves around that area, so I know that hospital very well.

The bottom part does indeed look like the original structure (and while when it was founded, it was one of the most modern hospitals in the Philippines, it definitely needs an upgrade today).

The addition, however, looks rather massive for the amount of land that is actually there. The space between the existing building and the Mabuhay rotunda street is a smallish parking lot. So I don't know if that rendering makes the addition look larger than it could actually be. Hopefully they don't displace the Original Pancit Malabon which started there. It's still some of the best pancit malabon around, I believe. Better than their franchises.

In addition, the street is rather congested (I wonder if the Mabuhay-- or Welcome --Supermarket is still across the street). In that area, such a building would be rather imposing. Also, there seems to be a structure behind the UDMC there in that rendering. It looks like it has pillars at street level. Is that a built structure already? Or is it also a rendered projection? I don't remember seeing it there last time I passed through the area. I actually do think they could make the area something akin to Columbus circle in NY. It has the potential for development, going down Espana, provided they fix the flood problems.

Chad
November 7th, 2004, 06:42 PM
btw, Bay Condo is finished.

I think this one is here. Since the one on the left is AMA Tower. So this project is still alive? Great! Wonder when they will be completed, and how tall the left ones are.
http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/10569314-L.jpg

This is in Dubai.

bagel
November 7th, 2004, 07:13 PM
That building on the right does look like it's the one in Dubai, but I do believe the one on the left is AMA Tower.

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/5/2001/05/115319.gif

Google got me this s.com page (in german). http://www.emporis.com/ge/wm/bu/?id=106268

rmb
November 8th, 2004, 07:53 AM
Well, truly this one is in Dubai....

http://www.geocities.com/rmb_com/137009.jpg

And this one is AMA Tower...

http://www.geocities.com/rmb_com/AMATower.gif

Therefore, It is quite similar but not identical!

And look at the rendering...

http://www.geocities.com/rmb_com/ama2.jpg

It shows more of an AMA Tower, 'coz of the structure, the walls, design and even the top. And it is less likely the Burj Al Arab of Dubai since it will have neighboring buildings in contrast to the recent location which is beside the sea. :)

renell
November 8th, 2004, 09:20 AM
lol, i had doubts whether this one was AMA Tower or not because i always remembered that the AMA rendering was brown, like you posted :D

http://www.e-rockwell.com/images/joya_loft_launch2.jpg
a loft in Joya, i dunno where else to post it cause the Joya thread i cant find

ryanr
November 8th, 2004, 12:22 PM
This is in Dubai.

I dont know about that. The building on the right seems to be AMA Tower, a building proposed in Mandaluyong for a long time now. Look at rmb's post.

thomasian
November 8th, 2004, 05:04 PM
Wow. Talk about hitting near home. :)

...The bottom part does indeed look like the original structure (and while when it was founded, it was one of the most modern hospitals in the Philippines, it definitely needs an upgrade today).

The addition, however, looks rather massive for the amount of land that is actually there. The space between the existing building and the Mabuhay rotunda street is a smallish parking lot. So I don't know if that rendering makes the addition look larger than it could actually be...

...Also, there seems to be a structure behind the UDMC there in that rendering. It looks like it has pillars at street level. Is that a built structure already? Or is it also a rendered projection? I don't remember seeing it there last time I passed through the area...

Maybe they acquired adjacent the land which is currently a closed-down restaurant named New Jersey's that's why the buildings in the rendering are massive.
About the structure with pillars at street level, I think it is still part of the rendering.

JudeD
November 8th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Mike, are you related to the Vargases or the Fernandezes of that area?

bagel
November 8th, 2004, 07:32 PM
No, I'm not related to those families.

pau_p1
November 11th, 2004, 07:33 AM
There is a construction being done in St. Francis Square in Ortigas Center... they have demolished the old building that houses Limits Disco and 10 years after... they seem to be building something new.... the site is behind Megamall A and BSA Towers... anybody knows what would this be?

rmn
November 11th, 2004, 07:36 AM
they're transforming it into a tiannge type shopping center i believe.

ryanr
November 11th, 2004, 12:53 PM
There is a construction being done in St. Francis Square in Ortigas Center... they have demolished the old building that houses Limits Disco and 10 years after... they seem to be building something new.... the site is behind Megamall A and BSA Towers... anybody knows what would this be?

I'm not sure...but this area is supposed to be occupied by SM-KS Towers (two 55 storey and one 70 floor tower). Maybe they are building an extention of the Podium to get ready for the restart of the SM-KS project.

Francis20
November 11th, 2004, 05:21 PM
hmmm...ive seen that too. there's already the crane. it doesn't seem so tall anyway. there's construction going on at SM Megamall itself. im thinking this would be an extension of SM megamall? what do you think? should i ask the construction guys again?

thomasian
November 11th, 2004, 07:00 PM
An extension/annex of Megamall is not impossible since Buildings A and B is fully occupied and there's still a lot of available space for the construction of a new annex.

Edmundtanso
November 11th, 2004, 09:28 PM
hmm....hope it's a high rise!

ryanr
November 11th, 2004, 10:54 PM
hmmm...ive seen that too. there's already the crane. it doesn't seem so tall anyway. there's construction going on at SM Megamall itself. im thinking this would be an extension of SM megamall? what do you think? should i ask the construction guys again?

Could be an extention to The Podium, which shouldnt be that tall. yes, ask the construction guys:)

Francis20
November 12th, 2004, 02:09 AM
do the asking @ thomasian...hehehe...:D

tyronne
November 12th, 2004, 02:46 AM
I'm not sure...but this area is supposed to be occupied by SM-KS Towers (two 55 storey and one 70 floor tower). Maybe they are building an extention of the Podium to get ready for the restart of the SM-KS project.

do you have a photo of how this sm-ks would look like when built? thanks :)

ryanr
November 12th, 2004, 02:58 AM
Yes, i do...

http://globe.com.ph/~m13131/smksb.gif

go here for more: http://globe.com.ph/~m13131/smks.htm
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=100566

tyronne
November 12th, 2004, 03:01 AM
Yes, i do...but i have to look for it. I'll do it when i get home, im still at school right now:D

ok thanks, i'll wait for it :D

edit: ay hayun na pala haha! thanks so much. they look good :D

ryanr
November 12th, 2004, 03:03 AM
Yup, no problem...i really hope that Henry Sy and the Keppel group will still procede with their plans. The 70 storey building is residential while the two 55 storey buildings are office towers.

bagel
November 12th, 2004, 03:15 AM
I thought 2 of the 3 were cancelled and the last one (to be built on the current Benguet Mining lot) is on hold? And also that the tall 70 storey tower is one of the cancelled buildings.

pau_p1
November 12th, 2004, 06:19 AM
from the way that 3 towers are positioned in that rendering... it seems not like what the actual Podium is built... Podium is supposed to be the podium of the rightmost tower right? and the other one will stand on the Banco de Oro lot....

the rendering shows that the 2 smaller tower are supposed to be diagonally built compared to how Podium currently is.. which is parallel to the road.. and BSA stands directly behind it.... so... I'm wondering how would the taller tower stand and where...

ryanr
November 12th, 2004, 08:34 AM
Actually, Podium is positioned diagonally in line with the right most tower in the rendering.

@ boybaha, we dont know for sure if they are totally cancelled. It is still on hold. Francis' agent even said they will go up soon. So, all towers could still be built.

renell
November 12th, 2004, 08:38 AM
i don't think they're cancelled yet. though the fact that its residential component didn't go on the market during this recent rise in residential demand is a sign.

pau_p1
November 12th, 2004, 10:01 AM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid146/p38b1a938856bbfd515a953741a9d0463/f649c62d.jpg

this is the side of Podium which is directly adjacent to BSA... would the 3 towers supposed to have 1 common podium?

renell
November 12th, 2004, 10:31 AM
according to the rendering's yes. and if i'm not mistaken, it will be across BSA Towers... the photo also suggests that:D

thomasian
November 12th, 2004, 11:34 AM
Actually, Podium is only designed to hold only Tower one of SM-KS because if you look at it from the top of Discovery Suites, you would notice only one set of columns sticking out on the roofdeck.
Those columns are positioned diagonally so Tower One of SM-KS would be positioned diagonally compared to the adjacent BSA Towers.
The supposed entrance lobby for the tower is also currently occupied by restaurants so I don't think it will be built anytime soon.

Francis20
November 12th, 2004, 11:56 AM
GreyX, i didn't say they will go up soon. The agent didn't say anything. Remember, i was pretending to be a potential buyer of ASB Malayan. So if she's going to tell me that SM-KS will push thru, chances are, I'd buy unit from that condo instead of ASB. I dunno, hopefully, one of these towers will go up soon. There are talks that this will push thru, i dunno which of them. That was early this year. And BSA is supposed to resume construction Q4 of this year. Let's see how things unfold.

renell
November 13th, 2004, 02:01 AM
what construction is still needed for BSA? i mean it looks finished in the outside. or are you referring to construction inside?:?

rmn
November 13th, 2004, 02:20 PM
since it sits on a fairly large property, i can see, from a business point of view, why sm-keppel would like to erect a high-rise structure on the benguet site. however, it would be a huge loss if the benguet center would be torn-down considering its such a beautiful building. for me, it is one of locsin's masterpieces and is a perfect partner to the san miguel building across the street.

ryanr
November 13th, 2004, 02:30 PM
@ pau - I think the podium is just the base of one of the towers. Thomasian's answer is correct.

@ Francis - Ok...sorry i must have misunderstood. But i still think SM-KS will be built sometime in the future.

@ rmn - Yeah, Benguet is a beautiful building, especially with SM HQ across the street. But all good things have to end, and SM-KS would be a good investment since they are tall space saving buildings in a prime lot.

@ renell - It is the interior that is left to be finished. And the exterior paint needs to be finished with a new coat of paint.

thomasian
November 13th, 2004, 03:20 PM
@ rmn - Yeah, Benguet is a beautiful building, especially with SM HQ across the street. But all good things have to end, and SM-KS would be a good investment since they are tall space saving buildings in a prime lot.


Yeah, all good things must come to an end but Benguet Centre is just to good to be trashed.


@ renell - It is the interior that is left to be finished. And the exterior paint needs to be finished with a new coat of paint.


Yup, new coat of paint and please not white, Ortigas is already full of dull buildings. A more refreshing and vibrant color is needed since this twins dominate the Ortigas skyline.

ryanr
November 13th, 2004, 03:24 PM
Yeah, all good things must come to an end but Benguet Centre is just to good to be trashed.


Oh well, its not like SM-KS is horrible. Its an superb project, so it wont be a great loss.

Edmundtanso
November 13th, 2004, 04:30 PM
well, it would be great to see another high rise building to rise in the ortigas center (SM-KS) but we could all see that ortigas center have no planning and zoning or what so ever, anyone could build almost anything they wish. that area's traffic is horrible already, could you all imagine 3 huge towers rising up and all the people that would be going in and out of these buildings? yikes...

bagel
November 13th, 2004, 05:52 PM
I for one don't want the Benguet Centre demolished. It's one of the great examples of Philippine architecture. But others on these forums have heard me harp about this over and over again. It's such a good example that great projects need not be highrise.

thomasian
November 14th, 2004, 03:55 AM
Yeah, the Benguet Centre is a gem of Philippine Architecture.
You guys don't want the Philippines to lose another masterpiece by a prominent Filipino architect right?

pau_p1
November 16th, 2004, 04:48 AM
opening soon... Gateway Mall...:D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid146/pc489d94ded1073e1a98ed47e13b92e27/f63fed82.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid146/pf1685403b69c628c0e28985c9a73763a/f63ff07a.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid146/paa981c23c05ef50edecfd8882065585f/f63ff3b2.jpg

from Greenhills.. i don't know its name
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid146/p9c5013aee5dc5c1c711b05a6bf0bc5fc/f63ff818.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid146/p52066bbbf82367a877ea4375ad1cf614/f64001da.jpg

Edmundtanso
November 16th, 2004, 05:44 AM
thanks for the photo pau. gateway mall looks cool!

ryanr
November 16th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Thanks for the pics, pau! Gateway is sooo nice! It could possibly be the metro's best mall:D and that condo in greenhills is pretty nice and tall!

thomasian
November 16th, 2004, 03:57 PM
A forumer here owns a unit in that Swire Elan Suites in Greenhills, right?

rmn
November 19th, 2004, 11:01 AM
http://www.cityland.net/pics/cerbldg.jpg

http://www.cityland.net/logo/cerlogo.jpg

renell
November 19th, 2004, 11:12 AM
seen that before man.

thomasian
November 19th, 2004, 11:24 AM
the Corinthian Executive Regency, it's already u/c. it's beside Philcomcen in Ortigas Ave.

ryanr
November 19th, 2004, 03:03 PM
why do so many condos in MM have boxy and ugly podiums/bases?

XetraDAX
November 22nd, 2004, 03:56 PM
why do so many condos in MM have boxy and ugly podiums/bases?

used for parking spaces.

ryanr
November 23rd, 2004, 10:37 AM
used for parking spaces.

they could at least make them nicer. Or have parking underground.

I've said it before, and i'll say it again. Shang is massive!!:D

Waltermart's cinemas will surely kill MCS's market (it has been declining anyways).