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bagel

December 13th, 2006, 08:37 PM

Here's the only one I found. They look like they're ready to dance.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3413/l2261029sw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And look at Abe, spilling all his drink here and there.... We just washed that train! You better clean it up! At least si mam dinidiligan niya ang poinsettia. :lol:

Edit: Found more.

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1368/r182518954ws0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (R) and Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo cut a ribbon to inaugurate Third Generation (3G) trains in Manila December 9, 2006. Arroyo and Abe later took a test ride after the inauguration ceremony for the Japan-made 3G trains of the Light Rail Transit Authority. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (PHILIPPINES)

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7015/r998315358ib9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Police officials keep guard in a Third Generation (3G) train being ridden by Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in Manila December 9, 2006. Arroyo and Abe took the train ride after an inauguration ceremony of the Japan-made 3G trains of the Light Rail Transit Authority. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (PHILIPPINES)

note: look at how the carriage gets narrower towards the front (or rear). i don't know if it's an effect of the photograph or if this is how it's like in person.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3130/r2178816419rp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo (Center, L) and Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe take a ride amidst tight security in a Third Generation (3G) train in Manila December 9, 2006. Arroyo and Abe took the train ride after an inauguration ceremony for the Japan-made 3G trains of the Light Rail Transit Authority. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (PHILIPPINES)

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4618/r1056935830ca4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (L) and Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo exit Quirino station after taking a test ride in new Third Generation (3G) trains in Manila December 9, 2006. Arroyo and Abe earlier took part in an inauguration ceremony for the Japan-made 3G trains of the Light Rail Transit Authority. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (PHILIPPINES)

Note: My look how dirty the floor is!!!

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1667/r3843610902lr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe waves after arriving with Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo to inaugurate the Third Generation (3G) trains in Manila December 9, 2006. Arroyo and Abe road in the trains after the inauguration ceremony for the Japan-made 3G trains of the Light Rail Transit Authority. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (PHILIPPINES)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/210/r4110817579jo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Women take shade under newspapers while waiting for Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to inaugurate Third Generation (3G) trains in Manila December 9, 2006. The Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) summit in the Philippines was postponed after Typhoon Utor was set to sweep into the region. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (Philippines)

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And finally, not related to LRT, but related to GMA-Abe.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8225/capttok21312091331philizy1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shinzo: To you, my dear... you look radiant tonight!
Gloria: *sigh* *kilig*

thomasian

December 13th, 2006, 09:44 PM

^^ Ang ganda talaga, that may be the coldest trains for now, with the 1G being next. I wonder why the 2G has poor-airconditiong, minsan sira pa. Eh mas malamig pa lagi dun sa 2G yung 1G eh, samantalang yung 1G kinabitan lang naman ng aircon.

shyaman

December 14th, 2006, 02:13 AM

Noong bago pa yang 2G, super lamig yan. I remember when it was still new, lahat na lang doon gustong sumakay. Pinapalampas yung mga 1G trains kasi "window type" na ang A/C system nito. Sa kalaunan, nag-deteriorate na rin ang A/C ng 2G hanggang sa window type na rin. Nagkataon naman na yung A/C ng 1G trains were upgraded kaya bumaliktad naman ang passengers’ preference. Sa 1G naman siksikan. The humped portion at the roof of 1G trains are the new A/C system. Mukha ngang di proportion sa size ng train ang umbok nito, halatang di original component. Dati kasi, parang ulo ng kabute ang A/C system na nasa tuktok ng 1G.

Mithril Cloud

December 14th, 2006, 03:33 AM

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7015/r998315358ib9.jpg
Police officials keep guard in a Third Generation (3G) train being ridden by Philippines President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in Manila December 9, 2006. Arroyo and Abe took the train ride after an inauguration ceremony of the Japan-made 3G trains of the Light Rail Transit Authority. REUTERS/Adrees Latif (PHILIPPINES)

note: look at how the carriage gets narrower towards the front (or rear). i don't know if it's an effect of the photograph or if this is how it's like in person.

That's how it looks like in person according to this image:
http://www.lrta.gov.ph/press_release/pressphotos/060309_3rdGenLRVMockup03.jpg

shyaman

December 14th, 2006, 04:48 AM

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7015/r998315358ib9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

note: look at how the carriage gets narrower towards the front (or rear). i don't know if it's an effect of the photograph or if this is how it's like in person.

2G trains also have this feature, however this one's more tapered at the end. Mag-uuntugan na tuhod ng dalawang magkaharap na nakaupo sa dulo.

Dvorak

December 14th, 2006, 05:34 AM

uy another PUPian.. anong batch ka doggmann?

Hi Richard,

Kumusta na ang mahal nating paaralan PUP malinis na ba yun home along the riles? :D
Inaayos na ba yun dadaanan ng North Rail to South Rail?
Yun Engineering Bldg. daw inilipat na ulit sa Main wala na sa NDC... totoo ba yun?

Eriq

December 14th, 2006, 06:29 AM

And finally, not related to LRT, but related to GMA-Abe.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8225/capttok21312091331philizy1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shinzo: To you, my dear... you look radiant tonight!
Gloria: *sigh* *kilig*

:lol: at caption

richard24

December 14th, 2006, 07:32 AM

oks.. medyo malayo nga yang pureza kasi.. bakit naman kasi don nilagay ang station.. mas malapit talaga kung don sa tapat nang fernando's...

nung panahon ko kasi.. patok na jeep from marikina lang.. tapos stop & shop na.. kaya lakad lang sa teresa..

i dont like walking through teresa.,.. (kahit maganda na siya..) mainit kasi mashado. kaya most of the time we really use the Pureza station...

Hi Richard,

Kumusta na ang mahal nating paaralan PUP malinis na ba yun home along the riles?
Inaayos na ba yun dadaanan ng North Rail to South Rail?
Yun Engineering Bldg. daw inilipat na ulit sa Main wala na sa NDC... totoo ba yun?

hindi pa malinis ang riles... pero alam ko malapit na... :)
maraming improvements sa PUP... pinapaganda pa siya lalo... although the armchairs are still a mess..(except for the ones in engineering.,.)
chaka 40 to 50+ parin per class...

i havent heard anything about the engineering being transfered back to main... ang alam ko magtatayo pa nga ng bagong building eh.. :)

kwembinekwek

December 14th, 2006, 08:07 AM

I was able to ride the new LRT trains just last Tuesday and I must say OK naman yung 3G Trains.

- Obviously mas malamig.
- Pareho nung style sa 2G except with some modifications (eg handrails at the middle section, more fire extinguishers and a belt for baby carriages.)
- Hindi masyadong matagal mag-antay ng pasahero. It'll just stay for about a an interval of I think 45 secs-1 min then go off to the next.
- Mahina yung PA system - or baka mahina lang magsalita yung mamang driver.
- Makalat na kaagad yung floor. I was disappointed with this. May mga pieces of candy wrappers, tissue paper plastics and pieces of paper and it's quite disappointing dahil bago pa lang yun eh dinudumihan na kaagad. I mean di naman bawal tumapak dun pero sana wag naman kalatan ng ganon. Shows some of the Filipinos inborn lack of discipline.

FrancisXavier

December 14th, 2006, 09:14 AM

FrancisXavier

December 14th, 2006, 09:16 AM

DoggMann

December 14th, 2006, 10:41 AM

uy another PUPian.. anong batch ka doggmann?

ECE Batch 97 :D

...
Paaralang dakila
PUP, pinagpala :)

@richard24
Thanks for the info! sana malinis na yun home along the riles ...
Sayang yun ganda ng PUP di kita sa labas ... :banana:

kwembinekwek

December 14th, 2006, 11:16 AM

so the "PA-system" there is unlike the one in LRT2 w/c is recorded?

if im getting that PA-system right..
No. The train driver still gets to speak at the PA.

richard24

December 14th, 2006, 11:36 AM

ECE Batch 97 :D

...
Paaralang dakila
PUP, pinagpala :)

@richard24
Thanks for the info! sana malinis na yun home along the riles ...
Sayang yun ganda ng PUP di kita sa labas ... :banana:

oo nga... pero the facade is on for a huge make-over... starting with the dambana ng kagitingan and the arc way.... ongoing are reconstruction of the vicinity of the pylon, the perimiter fence along anonas., and lalo na is the mabini rotunda.

i wont go to too much details here since this is the MRT thread... :)

if you want to see some pix of PUP... i think i posted some pix of the PUP ferry station at the pasig river thread... and eto.. naka install na grills sa classrooms ng main... :)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=417456&page=9
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ok.. of topic nako... :)

teka... hindi recorded ung messages sa 3g trains...? sayang. parang mas maganda parin ata interiors ng LRT2... chaka mas gusto ko ung pwede mo lakarin from one end to another end yung train..

FrancisXavier

December 14th, 2006, 11:38 AM

No. The train driver still gets to speak at the PA.
oh i see..

kevinb

December 14th, 2006, 12:30 PM

Saang Line ba nakainstall yang mga 3G trains?

richard24

December 14th, 2006, 12:33 PM

^^line 1... monumento-baclaran.

kevinb

December 14th, 2006, 12:36 PM

Uy good! 'Yan kasi ang mas nagagamit kong Line pag nasa Manila ako eh.:D

Dvorak

December 14th, 2006, 12:41 PM

Batch 95 here CCMIT.. course mo? ay OT na pala! sorry

ECE Batch 97 :D

...
Paaralang dakila
PUP, pinagpala :)

@richard24
Thanks for the info! sana malinis na yun home along the riles ...
Sayang yun ganda ng PUP di kita sa labas ... :banana:

metrosuburban

December 15th, 2006, 06:46 PM

Bad trip naman yung MRT3, may MRT Radio na sila, ang babaduy naman ng mga music paulit-ulit pa... Yuck talaga... Pero mabuti na yun kesa ingay ng mga jologs at walang modong passengers madinig ko...

DoggMann

December 15th, 2006, 11:43 PM

Batch 95 here CCMIT.. course mo? ay OT na pala! sorry

electronics and comm. engg. (ECE) batch 97 :)
OT last ... :D

shyaman

December 16th, 2006, 12:49 PM

Bad trip naman yung MRT3, may MRT Radio na sila, ang babaduy naman ng mga music paulit-ulit pa... Yuck talaga... Pero mabuti na yun kesa ingay ng mga jologs at walang modong passengers madinig ko...

What would you consider as jologs noise anyway? Kasi a public transport caters mostly to people who can't afford a private vehicle for their everyday trips. Kaya dapat you should expect any form of conversations about all kinds of topics. :)

FrancisXavier

December 16th, 2006, 12:53 PM

i guess MRT is basically for yuppies who work at Ortigas and Makati..

While LRT2 caters mostly to the students of U-belt and Katipunan area..

shyaman

December 16th, 2006, 01:05 PM

Baka nung sumakay si metrosuburban, di oras ng pasukan o uwian kaya di yuppies ang kasabay :).

Yung sa LRT1 naman, halo ang crowd during rush hours but there is a larger concentration of the C & D crowd compared to MRT and LRT2.

Mithril Cloud

December 16th, 2006, 05:55 PM

I usually don't hear that kind of noise on the MRT since the train's noise is louder sometimes. :)

FrancisXavier

December 16th, 2006, 06:55 PM

asan na yung mga new pic ng inauguration ng 3G trains? nawala ata.. post nyo d2,

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=189728&page=2

mejo naaarchive na to sa world forums...:D

FrancisXavier

December 16th, 2006, 07:07 PM

Weird. I don't know why they disappeared. I guess it's copyrighted photos? Does imageshack remove copyrighted photos? Nasa work computer ko... I can get them back on Monday. Maybe I'll rename them to fool Imageshack.

so those were really here? hindi ako nagkakamali.... it cant be on the previous thread..

i guess including your post disappeared..

bagel

December 16th, 2006, 07:07 PM

bagel

December 16th, 2006, 07:18 PM

so those were really here? hindi ako nagkakamali.... it cant be on the previous thread..

i guess including your post disappeared..

Weird... pagbalik ko sa previous page nandun uli ang pictures. I'm losing my mind.

FrancisXavier

December 16th, 2006, 07:21 PM

^^Wala yang mga yan kanina ah... :lol:

Mithril Cloud

December 16th, 2006, 07:31 PM

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0138.jpg

I have a bit of information regarding the 3Gs. When the destination marker on top of the train reads "SCHOOL", it means that train is currently used as a "schooling train" for the drivers to familiarize themselves with the train. And of course, when the train is in school mode it won't open itself to passengers. :)

tigidig14

December 17th, 2006, 12:19 AM

im lazy to read the whole post pero, is 3g being used right now?

ryanr

December 17th, 2006, 12:41 AM

I have a bit of information regarding the 3Gs. When the destination marker on top of the train reads "SCHOOL", it means that train is currently used as a "schooling train" for the drivers to familiarize themselves with the train. And of course, when the train is in school mode it won't open itself to passengers. :)

It would make more sense if they put up "training vehicle" like they do here...:D

bagel

December 17th, 2006, 02:01 AM

I think it should say "Chooo choooo!"

Mithril Cloud

December 17th, 2006, 06:56 AM

im lazy to read the whole post pero, is 3g being used right now?

It is already in service, but sometimes unusable when it's in "school mode".

metrosuburban

December 18th, 2006, 01:47 AM

What would you consider as jologs noise anyway? Kasi a public transport caters mostly to people who can't afford a private vehicle for their everyday trips. Kaya dapat you should expect any form of conversations about all kinds of topics. :)

Siguro nga minalas lang ako at maiingay at papansin ang kasabay ko... but still it's never an excuse that riding in a public transport gives one the freedom to talk loudly and scandalize other passengers with all his dirty and non-sense talks... All am asking is a bit of common sense and etiquette, which sadly, kahit may pinag-aralan dito e wala nun... So i think youre right, complaining maybe useless and might provoke a fight kaya wala ku magagawa kundi magtiis...

bustero

December 18th, 2006, 09:03 AM

used mrt3 and lrt1 yesterday.

did not catch the new train so too bad for me.

must note that both trains really show their age, specially mrt3. it makes strange sounds and both had bad aircons, and it wasn't even hot nor full!

anyway these new trains really should arrive as soon as possible.

also passed by marcos hiway sat and can only say that they really should extend line 2 already habang maaga pa. I saw a whole bunch of people waiting down the terminal creating a lot of traffic as they tried to catch a bus towards the malls and cogeo/masinag. to my knowledge this is not an expensive extension, just 2 or 3 stations (imelda and cogeo) would do a world of wonders for the traffic on marcos highway.

richard24

December 18th, 2006, 12:08 PM

^^ yep... 3 stations lang...

initially they announced, sta. lucia station, samsonville station and masinag station...

pero may nabasa ako dito na article na nagbago ang stations.. although 3 parin siya.., ligaya station, sta. lucia station and masinag station..

onga, maikli lang siya, sana gawin na rin nila ito... :)

Butanding

December 22nd, 2006, 04:16 PM

Nakasakay na ako sa 3G train nang LRT 1. Ang Bilis magsara nang door.

Mithril Cloud

December 22nd, 2006, 05:42 PM

The LRT-1 now has digital clocks on its stations.

diz

December 23rd, 2006, 09:28 AM

1st Generation (1G) (1984)
Manufacturer: ACEC (Belgium)
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0025-1.jpg
2nd Generation (2G) (1999)
Manufacturer: Adtranz (South Korea)
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0024.jpg
3rd Generation (3G) (2006)
Manufacturer: Kinki Sharyo (Japan)
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0145.jpg

It's cool how the trains changed since 1984... :D
How long did ya wait to take these pictures?

thomasian

December 23rd, 2006, 10:04 AM

Bakit nung huling sakay ko sa 2G train ako sumakay, puro sira yung aircon kaya bumaba ako sa next station and waited for a 1G train. Mas malamig yung 1G, compared sa 2G na sira ang aircon o kung meron man eh parang halos fan lang ang buga nung hangin.

Mithril Cloud

December 23rd, 2006, 10:35 AM

It's cool how the trains changed since 1984... :D
How long did ya wait to take these pictures?

Only a few minute interval between the 1G and 2G trains. The 3G one was taken on a different day.

Bakit nung huling sakay ko sa 2G train ako sumakay, puro sira yung aircon kaya bumaba ako sa next station and waited for a 1G train. Mas malamig yung 1G, compared sa 2G na sira ang aircon o kung meron man eh parang halos fan lang ang buga nung hangin.

I think it was already explained in the previous thread; even though the 2G trains are newer, its aircon units are older than the aircon of the 1G trains.

PaoloMig

December 25th, 2006, 08:14 AM

was there a plan for a subway in manila?

The Cebuano Exultor

December 25th, 2006, 08:18 AM

1G, imho, is better than 2G in terms of design (physical form and livery).

3G trains, meanwhile, are simply gorgeous and chic-looking. :D

thomasian

December 25th, 2006, 11:31 AM

bustero

December 25th, 2006, 06:17 PM

^^interesting I never noticed that.

Merry xmas to you all.

Mithril Cloud

December 25th, 2006, 07:00 PM

The problem with newer LRT trains is that they're higher, the floors of the 2G trains (I'm not sure on the 3G but it also looks taller than the 1G) are not on the same level as the platform, that's why they have this sign that says "watch your step" on the doors of the 2G train.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/DSC01330.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/LRT_Gil_Puyat.jpg/640px-LRT_Gil_Puyat.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0139-1.jpg

LRT1 from lowest to highest. Sorry for the 1G pic, it's an old cameraphone image. :)

And just to complete things, here's MRT3 and LRT2:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/55/Taft_Avenue_Station.jpg/640px-Taft_Avenue_Station.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/LRT_Katipunan1.jpg/640px-LRT_Katipunan1.jpg

queetz@home

December 26th, 2006, 03:09 AM

tigidig14

December 26th, 2006, 04:19 AM

oh ye that sucks

amras

December 26th, 2006, 12:50 PM

hindi naman siguro malaking problema yan, pwede naman sigurong itaas ang platform, or maglagay ng mga designated ramps para sa mga handicapped.

r93k401

December 26th, 2006, 12:55 PM

was there a plan for a subway in manila?
Kelangan sigurong iplano muna kung pano maremedyuhan ang baha sa Kamaynilaan. Baka maging imburnal lang ung tunnel dahil sa baha!!:)

bustero

December 26th, 2006, 04:04 PM

abay bakit ganyan iyan. how strange.

richard24

December 26th, 2006, 04:45 PM

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/DSC01330.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/LRT_Gil_Puyat.jpg/640px-LRT_Gil_Puyat.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0139-1.jpg

LRT1 from lowest to highest. Sorry for the 1G pic, it's an old cameraphone image. :)

And just to complete things, here's MRT3 and LRT2:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/55/Taft_Avenue_Station.jpg/640px-Taft_Avenue_Station.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/LRT_Katipunan1.jpg/640px-LRT_Katipunan1.jpg

nadapa nako jan sa lech na G2 trains..... nakakahiya... face first ako sa boobs ng kaharap ko... buti sana kung babae... kaso lalake pre.. weird. :lol: todo siksikan pa non...

ganda nung shot mo sa katips station ah... nakaupo ka? hehehe... puro mga estudnets mga naka sitting effect diyan eh... sossy ateneans and miriamites... sitting and waiting till the trains that pass has no one inside.. :) ayaw sa siksikan.

thomasian

December 26th, 2006, 05:18 PM

^^ Magaling 'yang "dapa" effect na 'yan ah, try ko nga, wala namang magagalit kasi "aksidente" nga diba. :D :jk:

great184

December 26th, 2006, 05:30 PM

Wow! never knew about these 3g trains till i checked ssc... tagal na kc me hindi nagllrt that was during my mapua days pa :)

Umm, bat nagkamali pa sa design specs ung 3g train, i mean why would they forget designing the train to be level with the station... tsk khit prefab pa ung train dapat may adjustment yan, since it could be potentially dangerous...

Mithril Cloud

December 26th, 2006, 05:51 PM

^^ Maybe the wheels or whatever mechanism it has below there is just that huge.

ganda nung shot mo sa katips station ah... nakaupo ka? hehehe... puro mga estudnets mga naka sitting effect diyan eh... sossy ateneans and miriamites... sitting and waiting till the trains that pass has no one inside.. ayaw sa siksikan.

Yep, nakaupo habang nakasandal sa column, kasi mga guwardiya tsaka surveillance cam na yung kalaban, hehe.

thomasian

December 26th, 2006, 07:43 PM

^^ I guess the higher train floors are inevitable because of newer technologies and stuff that had to be built on the trains. I mean the trains won't be designed that high if they can be lowered, right? Like what you said there could be essential mechanisms under the train that just can't be reduced in size no matter what. Okay na rin yung ganon para may dahilan ako para "matisod" pag cute yung nasa tapat ng pinto. :jk:

federal

December 27th, 2006, 12:13 AM

Mithril Cloud

December 27th, 2006, 05:18 AM

^^ Unless meron silang tagatulak, they have no choice but to use 1G trains. Quite sad since according to the LRTA, the 3G trains have special areas for wheelchair-bound passengers. ~_~

brownman

December 27th, 2006, 11:36 AM

btw, bat nga pala elevated at hindi undergorund ang lrt tsaka mrt?

amras

December 27th, 2006, 03:10 PM

coz it is cheaper to build overhead tracks than building them underground.

tigidig14

December 27th, 2006, 07:07 PM

vince_rilian

December 27th, 2006, 09:55 PM

hmmm, i renovate na lang yung stations, dagdagan ng floor height, i mean, mag dagdag ng concrete, hehehe....

Mithril Cloud

December 27th, 2006, 10:16 PM

Bad idea. That would render the 1G trains unusable because its doors open outwards, unlike the 2G and 3G's sliding doors. Raising the floor height wouldn't allow the 1G's doors to open at all.

EDIT: The 1Gs are also raised from the platform, so it would still open. However, if they do raise the platform, it still would be a few inches short from the 2G and 3G doors.

amras

December 28th, 2006, 04:14 AM

then we dont have any choice but to really watch our steps when boarding the train, don't we? Besides, I think they already learned their lesson, MRT 3 and LRT 2 don't have any of these problems. :)

Askal82

December 28th, 2006, 05:16 AM

^ Maybe just treat it as if you're climbing upstairs. It seems that the 2g and 3g are not disabled-friendly.

Mithril Cloud

December 28th, 2006, 04:53 PM

However it's not the trains that aren't disabled friendly, it's the stations. Come to think of it, LRT-1 stations don't have any ramp or elevator making it impossible or absolutely difficult for wheelchaired passengers to board.

tigidig14

December 29th, 2006, 04:38 AM

kennethologist

December 29th, 2006, 06:22 AM

Love:

a. Pag siksikan...(with conditions)
b. Checking out how fashionably challenged some commuters are
c. MRT's music, very bossa!
d. well dressed call center agents from ayala/ortigas station.
e. to see ABS-CBN dressed trains stopping at GMA-Kamuning
f. when all of a sudden wala ng tao pag-dating sa cubao station.
g. then after the train is so luwag sasayaw ako ng "the sound of music"
h. all LRT2s trains and stations... so first world!
i. mimicing the woman that speaks on LRT 2... (next station... betty go belmonte!...)
j. when someone loses grip on the handles and falls on you... diba parang movie? it happened one time on LRT2 pero instead on falling on me the girl went straight to my crotch to grip my pants...

Hate:

a. pag siksikan especially when you get caught up between either constuction workers, DOMs and trannies
b. LRT1 stations... trains are OK, stations aren't
c. getting off an LRT2 station... parang "welcome back to reality"
d. looking outside from an LRT2 train...
e. the long line for tickets on all train stations
f. paying 50 pesos on LRT2's ticket vending machine... JACKPOT!!!
g. the train flirts!
h. stations between shaw, ayala and taft...

and most specially and i know everyone who rides LRT2 agrees with me (unless he/she has bad taste in music)

i. THE 12th ASEAN THEME SONG(s)! whoever composed that shit should die! I'd rather hear "Hawak Kamay" as theme song for the summit. they keep on playing the songs on the stations, in the trains. if there is any news that LRT2's ridership has gone down, here is the reason. it is really that bad. :lol:

kennethologist

December 29th, 2006, 06:41 AM

oh yeah how bout disable peeps
that wouldve suck more
how sad
maybe thats what the sekyu is all bout, right? hehehe
oh ye, i noticed last time that they wont let you sit in the floor because i tried obviously
whatta stupid ass rule!

one time i asked the guards why and they said that they don't allow because when people sit on the station, the people wouldn't be visible on the security cameras. if the stations have the UFO like cameras, it would be alright, pero they were using single angle cameras.

you can sit naman basta nakikita ka sa cam... :lol:

thomasian

December 29th, 2006, 08:47 AM

^^ That's what I love in LRT2 stations, you can sit on the floor (kahit bawal, pero maraming gumagawa dahil nga masarap talaga ang bawal, hehehe) because they're the cleanest among all the LRTs and MRTs. Try doing that on LRT1 and MRT stations and you'll be wiping your ass off with loads of dirt, hindi nga yata bawal sa kanila na umupo sa sahig pero walang gumagawa dahil madumi nga, saka may benches naman sa mga platforms ng stations nila eh, speaking of which, bakit walang benches ang LRT2?

schaner

December 29th, 2006, 09:08 AM

^ Oo nga. Especially kung medyo matagal antay mo between trains ehehe.

"Next train to xxxx in 6 minutes"

brownman

December 29th, 2006, 09:52 AM

^^ Unless meron silang tagatulak, they have no choice but to use 1G trains. Quite sad since according to the LRTA, the 3G trains have special areas for wheelchair-bound passengers. ~_~

sus, diba good investment naman yun?

brownman

December 29th, 2006, 09:53 AM

*bump*
coz it is cheaper to build overhead tracks than building them underground.

i mean this one. sorry

Rence

December 29th, 2006, 11:52 AM

Sinjin P.

December 29th, 2006, 01:23 PM

^ Yeah. For sure, the composer and melody composer isn't Cebuano ;)

salamangkero

December 30th, 2006, 06:17 PM

thought the Asian Summit theme was sung by the PorkChop Duo :banana:

tigidig14

December 30th, 2006, 08:59 PM

kennethologist

January 2nd, 2007, 10:45 AM

^ Yeah. For sure, the composer and melody composer isn't Cebuano ;)

kung sino man sila... they should die!... ang trying hard beauty pageant theme hahahaha!!

Sinjin P.

January 2nd, 2007, 02:02 PM

^ Hmm, they could have done something that's in the league of "Byahe Tayo"

BoNduRanT

January 3rd, 2007, 05:24 AM

That 12th ASEAN theme song is so boring!!!!!

Sinabi mo! Di lang boring, its UGLY! The first time I heard it, WTF?! :lol:

kennethologist

January 3rd, 2007, 01:40 PM

Sinabi mo! Di lang boring, its UGLY! The first time I heard it, WTF?! :lol:

alas... somebody from LRTA must have been lurking around SSC... kanina they where playing mariah carey christmas songs... hayyy salamat!

intramuros

January 3rd, 2007, 04:05 PM

^^ and the good part is...??

dancethingy

January 3rd, 2007, 06:21 PM

i kinda like the music on the trains, it adds a flavor to the monotony of everyday commuting

kennethologist

January 3rd, 2007, 06:52 PM

^^ and the good part is...??

it's less annoying... tska they where playing decent mariah not the slutty mariah.... :lol:

speaking of train music mas gusto ko ung music nila holiday season last year: instrumentals... ang sarap mag-emote sa train! :lol:

kiretoce

January 3rd, 2007, 11:55 PM

LAND TRANSPORT (http://news.balita.ph/html/article.php/20070102123058715)

The development of railways, particularly in Metro Manila has been accelerated with the arrival of the new set of third generation (3G) trains of LRT I, following the completion of its capacity expansion (CAPEX) project.

Two of the 12 four-car trains with built-in air-conditioning system and computerized signaling system were made available to the public on December 11, 2006. All the others will be available by March 2007.

The procurement of the 3G trains is part of the 26 billion yen CAPEX project, funded through the first stage of the Obuchi fund PH-P211 under the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC). The procurement of the 3G trains constitutes 61 percent of the total contract cost. Each car train set cost JPY 803,500,640 representing cost of manufacturing, freight, insurance and spares.

Last December, it has deployed 81 coaches, eight coaches more than usual to ease the congestion among train commuters and shorten the waiting time at the terminals.

LRT I is transporting an average of 350,000-375,000 passengers a day but with the CAPEX project, an increase of about half-a-million passengers a day will be attained.

Other projects of the CAPEX include major renovations in the EDSA and Doroteo Jose stations such as the provision of escalators and elevators and a cross-over bridge at the Doroteo Jose station, which is a link to the Line 2 system at Recto. The LRTA is also undertaking the Line 1 South Extension Project extending to Bacoor, Cavite.

For MRT III, which runs from North Avenue, Quezon Avenue to Taft Avenue, it had subsidized fare of P34 per trip for the public.

In November, 2006, the DOTC reiterated its plans to construct the US$ 1.2 billion MRT7. The proposed 20-km rail will run from EDSA to Marilao, Bulacan and will pass through La Mesa Dam reservoir, Fairview, Batasan, UP-Diliman, Philcoa and EDSA-Quezon Avenue.

A highway will be constructed to connect the line from San Jose del Monte to North Luzon Expresseay (NLE) to Marilao.

The NEDA also approved for implementation the second component of the Northrail worth P35 billion (US$ 673.66-million). Phase I involves the 40-km Caloocan-Malolos segment, which is already under construction.

The Northrail project, to be implemented by the Bases Conversion Development Authority-Philippine National Railways (BCDA-PNR) will complete Phase I with approximately 48-kms of double narrow-gauged rail track plying the towns of Malolos and Calumpit in Bulacan and Apalit, Minalin, Sto. Tomas, San Fernando, Angeles and Clarkfield in Pampanga.

The DOTC is continuously rehabitating/upgrading the Alabang-Calamba toll road.

The Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board (LTFRB) approved a fare reduction of 50 centavos, from P7.50 to P7.00 starting December 11 of jeepneys plying the National Capital Region (NCR), Region 3 and 4.

It also approved a fare reduction of 50 centavos for buses (ordinary and air-conditioned) in Metro Manila from December 25, 2006 to January 8, 2007. Approved also was a 20 percent discount for senior citizens and students.

The LTFRB launched its "Web Portal" as part of the computerization program for fast transaction of the government, the transport sector and the people.

The Land Transportation Office (LTO) also launched a 30-minute renewal of drivers' licenses in Drivers License Renewal Center; a one-day processing of new drivers' licenses and was issued an ISO 9001 2000-Certified Licensing Centers.

The nationwide Private Emission Testing Centers (PETC) interconnectivity project of the DOTC-LTO is expected to reduce the number of smoke-belching vehicles on the road today. Launched in December 2006, it is supposed to be implemented on January 2, 2007.

The new system is expected to put a stop, once and for all, to the proliferation of fraudulent certificates of emission compliance (CECs) as these documents can now be verified immediately online.

renell

January 4th, 2007, 03:31 AM

so it's still money talk regarding MRT7. sigh why dont they just finish MRT3 first....

ThisFire

January 4th, 2007, 07:07 PM

it's less annoying... tska they where playing decent mariah not the slutty mariah.... :lol:

speaking of train music mas gusto ko ung music nila holiday season last year: instrumentals... ang sarap mag-emote sa train! :lol:

:lol: :lol:

ThisFire

January 4th, 2007, 07:08 PM

so it's still money talk regarding MRT7. sigh why dont they just finish MRT3 first....

They should just finish MRT3 first since MRT7 is still in the money talk stage.

metrosuburban

January 4th, 2007, 07:48 PM

^^^ malabong matapos yan dahil baon na baon na sa utang ang MRT3 consortium, plus subsidized pa ng naghihingalo ding gobyerno... kaya nga separate consortium yung gagawa ng dugtong...

Animo

January 5th, 2007, 09:04 AM

The Philippine government plans to tap foreign donor aid for the proposed extension of the Light Rail Transit Line 1 to the south.

Documents showed that the government will borrow $260 million through a 20-year official development assistance, which will charge a 6% interest to fund the $682-million extension, which will move southbound to the cities of Parañaque and Las Piñas and the neighboring municipalities of Bacoor, Imus and Dasmariñas in Cavite province.

Of the total project cost, $29.5 million will be used for right of way acquisition; $392 million for civil works; $67.6 million for electrical and mechanical works; and $237.9 million for system enhancement works.

Private investors will raise the $393 million balance through commercial loans and an equity infusion.

The National Economic and Development Authority’s Cabinet Committee earlier approved the project. Investors who submitted intentions to fund the project include the China BFECO Group, China National Technical I & E Corp., China Overseas Northwest Construction Engineering Co. Ltd., PJI Corp of Japan, International Business Development of Japan, AMA Group Holdings Corp. and Achivesta, a consortium of Japanese and Filipino investors.

Companies that expressed intensions include the Isolux Corban of Spain; Rites Limited of India; Infrastructure Leasing and Network Services Limited of India; DM Consunji Inc., Sumitomo Corp. of Japan; China State Construction Engineering Corp and China Railway South Group Co. Ltd. Overseas Engineering Co. of China.
The private proponent would enjoy an investment rate of return of 16.99%, while the government’s return are pegged at 7.16%. The winning bidder will fund the design construction and installation, integration of the extension with the existing line, the operation and maintenance of the entire line, and provision of enhancement works on the integrated system of the LRT 1 south extension project.

The project will have a 40-year concession period inclusive of four years of construction. The government expects an annual ridership of 131 million starting 2010 and 162 million by 2011. The government proposed a boarding fare of P8.

Earlier, the International Finance Corp. said it is willing to lend between $100 million and $150 million for the project. The extension is expected to serve some 800,000 passengers a day and cut travel time from Bacoor to Monumento in Caloocan City, to less than an hour. At present, the Light Rail Transit Authority is in discussions with the Public Estate Authority for the possible transfer or donation of properties for use in the project.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=61360

_zner_

January 5th, 2007, 09:14 AM

ano na pala nangyari sa 2nd hand coaches from austria?

metrosuburban

January 5th, 2007, 08:18 PM

eto yung old article:

Austrian assistance sought for MRT 3

The Arroyo administration will ask the Austrian government to donate second-hand light rail vehicles (LRVs) for the capacity expansion of Metro Rail Transit 3 (MRT 3), an official of the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) said.

Roberto R. Castanares, DOTC assistant secretary said officials plan to fly to Vienna next month to inspect its unused LRVs and determine their suitability for MRT 3 use.

Castanares said the capacity expansion will increase volume lodging by 200,000 passengers a day.

If the Austrian government agrees to donate 48 of its light rail vehicles, the delivery of the trains will be expected in December this year.

Castanares explained the Philippines could save millions of dollars should the donations push through, as the government expects to spend $400,000 to $500,000 for the refurbishment of second-hand LRVs compared with a brand new train that would cost $2 million each.

The refurbishing of the trains may be completed in the first quarter of next year while commercial use will be by end-2007.

The MRT 3 was built under a Build-Operate-Transfer agreement to be paid in 25 years. The first phase of MRT 3 runs through EDSA from Taft Avenue in the south to the EDSA-North Avenue intersection in the north for a total length of 16.9 kilometers covering 13 stations.

Its ridership has increased from 89 million in 2000 to 122,512,169 in 2004 and 128,751,959 last year.

Earlier, the government said it plans to take over the operations of MRT 3 to save money, but the plan fell through owing to the country’s fiscal situation. DOTC studies showed that government stands to save at least $1 billion for the early buyout of MRT 3.

Darwin G. Amojelar

metrosuburban

January 5th, 2007, 08:20 PM

so, anyone who have seen the "new" second hand coaches running in EDSA?

ewh1

January 5th, 2007, 08:49 PM

fell through
LRT trains are incompatible with MRT-3
the trains were too low and because the doors opened outward, they can't open properly on the platform

renell

January 6th, 2007, 12:09 AM

They should just finish MRT3 first since MRT7 is still in the money talk stage.

doesn't really matter which they finish first but it has been years since they have been talking about finishing the couple of kilometers needed to "complete the loop". time wise it would've been quicker to finish but.. that's just talk better if they can get construction on line 7 started then

Carlos Borromeo

January 6th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Can anyone tell me more about the features of the Gen 3 LRVs, especially those that you like? Thanks.
By the way, I've just joined SkyscraperCity less than 24 hours ago after enjoying reading through
the discussions on your chat forum regarding MRT and LRT.

Carlos Borromeo

January 6th, 2007, 09:20 PM

I'm really enjoying reading all of your comments. I only wish that the people who are involved in running the various lines are reading these too. If we had this during my time ( I was DOTC undersecretary for railways and mass transit projects during Erap's term) we would have had a great way of obtaining feedback "straight from the horses' mouths", so to speak.

tyronne

January 6th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Wow, former undersecretary of DOTC! Bigatin na ang SSC:D

Welcome to SSC Philippines, Mr. Carlos Borromeo:hi:

Carlos Borromeo

January 6th, 2007, 10:37 PM

Thanks, Tyronne. I'll knock off for lunch (it is 12:35 pm in San Francisco, CA) and rejoin the chat in a couple of hours.

Carlos Borromeo

January 7th, 2007, 01:11 AM

I'm back, but no one else seems to be online. Anyway, I'm
really delighted to read your postings and I can feel the keen
interest that all of you show in wanting to have world class
mass transit facilities in Metro Manila. Having lived in the U.S.
for six years now, and traveling often to Europe to (what else)
ride their metros and mass transit systems (I now make a living
as a mass transit systems consultant), I can tell you that what
you now have in Metro Manila is quite good, efficient and effective.
Your biggest advantage is the comparatively low fare that you have
and the very good ratio between cost of operations and fare revenue
earnings (one of the best in the world is that of LRT 1).

Askal82

January 7th, 2007, 01:54 AM

^^ It's an honor to have the former secretary of DOTC to have joined our thread where we share the same enthusiasm together with regards to the developments in Metro Manila. Enjoy your stay here and feel free to share with us your views with regards to the mass transit projects being proposed or planned to be built in the future.:cheers1:

Carlos Borromeo

January 7th, 2007, 02:04 AM

Thank you, Askal82!:)

tigidig14

January 7th, 2007, 03:33 AM

meron pala tayong showbiz star dito

FrancisXavier

January 7th, 2007, 04:01 AM

Wow! Welcome former usec! :master: :master: :master: :master:

tigidig14

January 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM

picture nga mr. undersec baka nambobola ka lang e
madaming pong ganun dito. so, dont be offended

Carlos Borromeo

January 7th, 2007, 09:00 AM

picture nga mr. undersec baka nambobola ka lang e
madaming pong ganun dito. so, dont be offended

Hello Tigs!
No offense taken. You can see me in the avatar below my name.

FrancisXavier

January 7th, 2007, 09:37 AM

Sir, perhaps you can be ssc's voice to dotc. Since you once were usec of the agency.

dancethingy

January 7th, 2007, 10:02 AM

WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME Mr. Carlos Borromeo, just want to let you know that this is one great forum in which constrictive/honest criticism is highly valued. We only want what's best for the Philippines.

Are you currently in the know regarding the rail projects around manila now? just want to ask, hehehe

I honestly believe that railway transportation is THE ANSWER!!!! to Metro Manila's traffic nightmare

Sinjin P.

January 7th, 2007, 10:36 AM

Welcome Former Undersecretary Carlos Borromeo to SkyscraperCity. It is an honor to have you here. Yeah, how I wish that the people involved, not just in running the various lines, but including the biggies running the Philippine government would be able to read the various postings regarding urban planning, urban redevelopment and the like so that they may obtain ideas "straight from the horses' mouths" as you said. :wave:

Carlos Borromeo

January 7th, 2007, 11:14 AM

portludlow

January 8th, 2007, 12:41 AM

tigidig14

January 8th, 2007, 01:28 AM

Mr. Undersec baka pwedeng makitanong na rin o pakitanong na rin, kung kelan maikakabit yung lrt sa naia location. im too eager for that too happen :D
ang hirap kasing umuwi sa pnas na nagiisa ka tapos mag tataxi lalo na sa naia 2, their taxi was a ripped off hehehe

habagatcentral1

January 8th, 2007, 03:26 AM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0190.jpg
Ayala MRT Station

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0195.jpg
Cubao Station. Its always crammped nowardays unlike before.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0197.jpg
Link to coach

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0196.jpg
Sardinas!

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0214.jpg
Rush hour at Quezon Avenue station

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0203.jpg
Ortigas Centre

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0211.jpg
View from Quezon Ave station. Guess what media network is it?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0218.jpg
Magallanes Station

By the way, meron na palang MRT radio! Nice ang music kaso di mo minsan marinig dahil maingay. :D

Carlos Borromeo

January 8th, 2007, 03:49 AM

^^ Maraming salamat po Mr Borromeo:) sa pagsali ninyo dito sa SSC philippines forum. Sigurado po maraming mga tanong para sa inyo ang mga forumers dahil sa kaalaman ninyo sa DOTC. Medyo karamihan sa amin dito naalangan pa kaya hindi pa dumadagsa ang mga tanong sa inyo. Gusto ko po sanang kunin ang opinyon ninyo sa kakulangan ng infrastratura sa ating bansa at bakit nagkaganon at napagiwanan na tayo ng ibang bansa.:ohno: Ganyan na ba tayo kahirap at hindi tayo makapagpondo ng salapi sa paggawa nito? Puede po kayong samagot sa wikang Ingles.:)

Salamat sa tanong mo, Portludlow. Ang gobyerno ay hindi kinakapos sa mga plano na nauukol sa pagpapatayo ng mga kinakailangang imprastruktura. Bunga na lamang ng pagkukulang ng pondo ang naging hadlang sa pagpapatunay ng mga planong ito.

Masasabi natin na maaaring may masmalaking pagkukulang ang gobyerno sa pagaalaga ng ating kaunting naiimpok na pondong pang gastos gobyerno, sa kanyang pagpili ng priyoridad sa mga dapat pagkagastahan ng pondong ito.

Ngunit ang desisyon na ito ay laging babagsak sa mga kamay ng presidente ng bayan. May mga presidente na nakikinig sa mga opinyon ng kanyang gabinete, mayroon namang mga presidente na nakikiramdam sa pulso ng bayan. Mayroon ding mga presidente na nakikinig sa mga taong malapit sa kanya. Mahirap maghusga sa presidente dahil marami siyang kailangang timbangin bago siya makakarating sa isang desisyon. Marahil, ang paghuhusga ay iwanan na lamang natin sa huli, sa pamamagitan ng pagsisiyasat sa resulta ng kanyang mga desisyon: Pinakinabangan ba ito ng mga mamamayan? Sulit ba yung ginastos dito? World class ba yung resulta?

Kahit walang gaanong pondo ang gobyerno, marami pa rin siyang mga alternatibo gaya ng Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) kung saan manggagaling mula sa private sector yung pondong pang proyekto. Sa totoo lang, kadalasan ay mas makikinabang ang mamamayan sa mga BOT projects dahil nabibigyan ng "efficiencies of private enterprise" yung pagpapapatakbo ng imprastruktura na naitayo, at dahil dito ay maaaring bumaba ang singil sa mga mamamayan sa paggamit ng imprastrukturang ito.

Oops! Time out muna ako. 5:30 pm Sunday dito at magsisimba muna kami. Pagbalik ko at sasagutin ko rin yung tanong ni Tigs tunkol sa posibilidad na magkaroon yung MRT o kaya yung LRT ng spur to NAIA. Chicago based ka ba, iha? Marami ngang mga nagbabalikbayan na nagaalangan sa taxi service sa NAIA. Kasali na rin ako diyan, believe it or not.

shyaman

January 8th, 2007, 06:09 AM

Sir Carlos, IHO po si Tigs... :D

venntro

January 8th, 2007, 07:35 AM

:) Breaking News! The construction of the link between MRT-3 and LRT-1 from North Avenue to Monumento will officially start this month. The time period is around 2 years and I think they will try to finish this before the end of the term of GMA as a poster project. This is good news to commuters especially those coming from the North side of Manila including Bulacan residents.

Does anyone have a rendering of the link? Will it be all elevated or will some parts be underground especially in the Monumento area? I remember that there's a grand plan to have our own GRAND Central in the Monumento area to link MRT 3, LRT 1, and the Northrail. Will this push through? Hope to hear from you guys.

stephencua

January 8th, 2007, 07:46 AM

^^ ummm, where did you get the breaking news??

bustero

January 8th, 2007, 09:19 AM

^^The construction! Perhaps the project will start this month, and most of this will be the soft development parts which can easily take as long as if not longer than physical construction.

and yes definitely as a flagship project, GMA wants to close the loop before her term ends 3 years from now!

FrancisXavier

January 8th, 2007, 09:21 AM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0211.jpg
View from Quezon Ave station. Guess what media network is it?

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that's abs-cbn..

queetz@home

January 8th, 2007, 09:23 AM

Its been almost two hours since venntro posted and still no response for an official source of the "breaking news". Plus I coudln't find any source in any of the major news sources such as ABS CBN, Philippine Star, Manila Times or Manila Bulletin. Honestly, ppl who post false hopes should be banned on the spot for they cause nothing but suffering and grief.... :rant:

Carlos Borromeo

January 8th, 2007, 09:58 AM

Sir Carlos, IHO po si Tigs... :D

Whoops! Sorry,Tigs! :ohno:
Mayroon kasi akong secretary na Tigs ang nickname. However, in
her case we call her Tigs because those were the initials of
her full name Teresita I. G. Sison. So by force of habit, pati ikaw tuloy
ay natawag kong iha. My apologies again! Di na mauulit.

Anyway, in reply to your question about why a light rail spur to NAIA has not been built, I can tell you that as far back as 1999 we had made some serious studies on the technical and financial feasibility of a NAIA link. At that time, the people behind MRT were more concerned about putting in that last link at the north end of Line 3 (MRT) that would connect it to Line 1 at Caloocan. The economic and financial returns on that sectional project would have been greater than a NAIA link, at that time.

Unfortunately, for certain reasons the Line 3-Line 1 link at the northern ends remain undone to this day. However, I have just read a posting in this forum a while ago that the green light has finally been given on this project.

I'll be looking forward to reading more news about this over the next few days.

Getting back to the NAIA link: back in 1999 the ridership projections for this segment were not considered high enough to support the cost of building, operating and maintaining that short section. However, perhaps if we had imputed into the overall analysis of economic benefits the support value that a NAIA link would have on tourism, we might have been able to persuade congress to consider a subsidy to cover the revenue shortfall. The ridership was also too low to make it an attractive BOT prospect for a private sector proponent, who would have insisted on a ridership guarantee from government. Given the budgetary crunch at that time, I doubt if NEDA could have been persuaded to agree to a ridership guarantee on that particular project.

In other words, Tigs, hindi magiging sapat ang kikitahin sa koleksyon ng pasahe sa NAIA link dahil mukhang kaunti lamang ang kanyang maidadagdag sa ridership. At dahil diyan ay mapipilitan ang gobyerno na mag-subsidize sa pagpapatakbo at sa pagbabayad ng gagastusin sa project na yan.

That was the situation in 1999. Ewan ko lang ngayon kung nagbago na. I hope this information can be helpful to you, Tigs. In the meantime, ang maaaring gawin ng gobyerno sa NAIA ay higpitan ang mga security procedures nila na nauukol sa operation ng mga taxi sa airport. Alam ko na mahirap gawin ito lalu na pag nakalabas na ng airport perimeter yung taxi at ang pasahero nito. Actually police problem ito more than it is a transportation problem, di ba? I do agree with you that a NAIA link via MRT or LRT would give riders from and to the NAIA a much safer (from criminals) ride than a taxi.

venntro

January 8th, 2007, 10:08 AM

Carlos Borromeo

January 8th, 2007, 10:22 AM

Great pics, Berniemacksouthcenter!

queetz@home

January 8th, 2007, 11:13 AM

It was aired this early morning at ABS-CBN's MUP in the section hosted by Aida Gonzales. LRTA's Mel Robles himself gave the information through a pre-taped interview. He said that the project will be finished by first quarter of 2010 which is quite odd since he also said that the project will take all of two years so which means it should be finished by 2009. Perhaps, posters who can watch TV patrol or Business nightly tonight may catch the pre-taped interview again.

Its not breaking news then since we've known about this schedule for quite some time now. Bustero is right that if its gonna start "next month", it won't be the actual construction. There is no way they can do the bidding within just a month anyway and one thing I really hate about these projects is the never ending "softer parts", which frankly, is actually way longer than the construction . Perhaps Mr Borromeo can enlighten us (from his point of view) what is the actual value of these studies since 99% of the time, its all talk and no action. As the saying goes in the Northeast Sector of the Vancouver area in Canada, we won't believe its coming until the digging start... :rant:

bagel

January 8th, 2007, 11:20 AM

Hi Mr. Borromeo. Thanks for posting here. It's great to hear from somebody who was actually part of the process of drawing up the plans for the metro's transit system.

I worked under U/Sec Manny Gaite at Flagship Projects in Erap's time (I was an assistant and prepared his presentations). I concur with you that there the government has no shortage of great plans and no shortage of great thinkers. We misrepresent the government when we say that they are all a bunch of snakes. Many people enter the public service out of a great desire to see their country move. It's when politics and special interests that come in when things get messed up.

The plans I saw while working for Flagship Projects were really progressive and striking-- made me so optimistic for the Philippines. What I was extremely excited about from back then were the intermodal stations that they were planning...I believe I saw some proposal by Palafox for an intermodal design project-- a station integrated into a multilevel highway, with rail/jeepney/bus connections. I hope that such high faluting dreams can be achieved still.

Welcome to the forums!

Yul

January 8th, 2007, 07:27 PM

Nakaganda naman po nang sinabi ninyo Sir Borromeo. Sana po ay matuloy ang proyekto na yan.

Carlos Borromeo

January 8th, 2007, 09:01 PM

In response to the postings of queetz@home and boybaha:

The "soft" parts of project implementation indeed are costly and time-consuming. Is it worth the cost and time? Yes and no. Most of these are actually requirements of the financial institutions that release the funding for the project. Some of the "soft" processes are "safety nets" consisting of what could possibly be redundant assurances that estimates, calculations and projections that had been presented earlier in the proposal and approval stages are still valid when the numbers are adjusted to reflect current conditions and costs. If the original pencil-pushing had generated fairly accurate numbers and most of the critical assumptions are based on still-current and valid data, then we can say that the cost and time invested in going through the "soft" processes might not be worth it. However, if we look at these as "premiums" paid to ensure the validity of the earlier assumptions, forecasts, calculations and cost estimates, then perhaps they could be well worth the investment in added cost and time.

It is therefore a matter of confidence-setting. If the project proponents and their bankers are confident that their original projections and engineering designs and assumptions are still valid, then they should proceed without further ado. But, if they start up the project and later on come upon the unexpected, it could bloat project costs to the point where investment recovery becomes problematic and government subsidies might need to come in. Worse yet, if the expected ridership is not achieved because of improper station placement or because the demographic conditions along the alignment have changed, then we might be looking at a white elephant. And that, queetz@home, is the rationale for those "soft" pre-construction exercises. We may have to view them as a necessary "evil".

boybaha - I remember Usec Manny Gaite. Should you have the occasion to see him again, please give him my best regards. Would you know what he is currently doing? Is he still in government?

You mentioned intermodal stations. I support this concept.

The concept of intermodal stations that provide a common link for passenger transfers from one transportation mode to another has to be pursued if a metropolis desires to rationalize and integrate/interconnect its mass transit systems. The key to a successful intermodal station project is site selection, where the site is selected because it meets the criteria of maximizing the convergence possibilities for as many of the existing transit lines as practicable and its probable proximity to future lines as well.

I recall my proposal to start the North Rail as a simple conversion of PNR's right of way alignment from its Caloocan property to a point in Bulacan, say Valenzuela, from a heavy rail line into a light rail facility. This section should be operated as a light rail transit (lrt) line for short distance commuting between Caloocan and a northern point in Bulacan. The ridership within such a section would be tremendous, and would relieve traffic congestion on MacArthur Highway. The Bulacan end of this line should have an intermodal station with park and ride facilities where private car motorists from the north who are headed for Manila can have the option of parking their cars and proceeding to their destinations in Metro Manila by light rail. Buses coming from the north can be required to discharge their passengers at this station, from whence the riders can proceed to their final destinations in Metro Manila by light rail. Some buses which will carry passengers who have luggage will be allowed to enter Metro Manila but they will proceed non-stop to certain designated bus terminals. The North Rail project to Clark can then start from this intermodal station. In fact, if the projected North Rail ridership continues to be low, then the more appropriate way to proceed is to determine if the Bulacan light rail commuter service can be extended further north for as far as there is ridership support.

There's more to this but I am afraid I am talking too much already. Let's hear it from the others.

kevinb

January 9th, 2007, 06:47 AM

Hey! How do I know if the train I'm boarding is the new? I'm in Manila last weekend but it seems that I hadn't riden any 3G train, to think that I frequently used LRT1 and MRT3. Hmm..

shyaman

January 9th, 2007, 07:48 AM

Since you were used to riding LRT1 trains before, then probably pag bago sa paningin mo ang hitsura ng train at malamig sa loob (1G lang naman ang malamig sa ngayon, yung 2G heater ang nasa loob) then it must be the 3G train.

kennethologist

January 9th, 2007, 10:59 AM

that's abs-cbn..

whoever took this picture shouldve waited 'till night... ABS-CBN's transmitter is lit-up at night with white and purple lamps... ang ganda! parang tokyo tower pero white-purple yung kulay :lol:

flymordecai

January 9th, 2007, 01:00 PM

Good to hear that the MRT/LRT are being used by more people. But is it safe to have that many people packed into the train?

queetz@home

January 9th, 2007, 01:20 PM

^^ The question should be is it safe to have that many cars on the road that we currently have. Honestly, why is safety when it comes to train or plane travel always questioned when more people still die of car accidents? Its much more safer to be in a crowded train than inside your car all by yourself....

Mithril Cloud

January 9th, 2007, 01:38 PM

Hey! How do I know if the train I'm boarding is the new? I'm in Manila last weekend but it seems that I hadn't riden any 3G train, to think that I frequently used LRT1 and MRT3. Hmm..

Only two of the 3G trains are in use right now I think. As for what they look like, you can refer to the first page of this thread. :)

habagatcentral1

January 9th, 2007, 02:44 PM

whoever took this picture shouldve waited 'till night... ABS-CBN's transmitter is lit-up at night with white and purple lamps... ang ganda! parang tokyo tower pero white-purple yung kulay :lol:

Walang time. Gotta go home pa sa Cavite at that time, hehehehe!!!

Anyway speaking of Cavite, wala na bang follow ups sa LRT na ipapatayo hanggang Cavite? To be frank, Cavite's traffic situation is getting worse by the year and having an LRT is convenient for the suburbian Caviteño who are working in the metro.

MetropolitanBoy

January 9th, 2007, 02:52 PM

flip2_0

January 9th, 2007, 06:21 PM

Will there ever be an MRT line that will go straight into Fort Bonifacio Global City? I recall seeing a proposed plan which had an Orange line originating from FBGC and heading towards Pampanga. Will that ever come to fruition in my lifetime? I just wonder because I will be a future resident of the Global City and it would be nice to just walk to the treminal and go anywhere the light rail transits meander.

This is still possible. Since FBGC is near NAIA, and they're building the railway to compliment it with the future international gateway of Luzon (or Philippines for that matter) which is DMIA, they can still make a provision (and further extend it to the rising business district in Taguig).

Truly, GMA is clearly into building a network of railways until 2010 to speed up transportation within the Metro.

MetropolitanBoy

January 9th, 2007, 06:36 PM

That's nice to hear. I wonder how it will go from NAIA 3 to FBGC and all the way to Pampanga. Will it be a subway type? Will it go straight to C-5 from SLEX or will it go through Villamor Airbase and into FBGC? Quite intriguing! And the terminals, where will the trains stop? Sorry for the plethora of questions...I'm just curious. :)

metrosuburban

January 9th, 2007, 06:49 PM

Its not breaking news then since we've known about this schedule for quite some time now. Bustero is right that if its gonna start "next month", it won't be the actual construction. There is no way they can do the bidding within just a month anyway and one thing I really hate about these projects is the never ending "softer parts", which frankly, is actually way longer than the construction . Perhaps Mr Borromeo can enlighten us (from his point of view) what is the actual value of these studies since 99% of the time, its all talk and no action. As the saying goes in the Northeast Sector of the Vancouver area in Canada, we won't believe its coming until the digging start... :rant:

perhaps we may rephrase and make that ..."till the whole thing opens". Look at Naia-3, it was 99.9% done, but it was never opened...

renell

January 10th, 2007, 05:31 AM

Good to hear that the MRT/LRT are being used by more people. But is it safe to have that many people packed into the train?

to add to what queetz said, why should it be not safe if it was built to high standard without cutting corners. It is a rail system built in a city where it was 10-11 million inhabitants I think it should be able to let in a lot people into it after all it is a mass transit system.

security wise I believe it is one of the most guarded infrastructure in Metro Manila being a vital part of the city and a major investment it's not just petty thieves trying to get some action it's also the terrorists so there's a lot of guarding invovled for sure

habagatcentral1

January 10th, 2007, 03:22 PM

Guess where is this MRT Station as shown below?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0193.jpg

BoNduRanT

January 10th, 2007, 06:10 PM

Cubao!

vince_rilian

January 10th, 2007, 06:10 PM

^^magallanes? hehehe, di ako familiar sa mga istasyon eh...

kennethologist

January 10th, 2007, 06:12 PM

Guess where is this MRT Station as shown below?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0193.jpg

cubao.

kennethologist

January 10th, 2007, 06:16 PM

Cubao!

in fairness we know the stations at first glance! cubao siya dahil sa roofing, cubao had a different roofing than the other stations that had a generic concrete and steel ceiling...

if he took a picture of the stations between shaw, cubao and ayala, i wouldnt have a clue unless he shows a picture of their ticketing booths :lol:

BoNduRanT

January 10th, 2007, 06:21 PM

:lol: Di lang yan. The platforms at Cubao Station are wider in width compared sa iba.

kennethologist

January 10th, 2007, 06:42 PM

:lol: Di lang yan. The platforms at Cubao Station are wider in width compared sa iba.

ang ayoko yung ayala station... kahit na yun lang ata yung station na may properly tiled platforms... SOBRANG SIKIP! parang action movie pag natapat ka sa may part ng elevator.. 3 tiles nalang yung pinaka-tracks na!... feeling mo hahagipin ka ng tren sa lugar na yun tapos mas lalong pinasikip ng advertising :lol:

BoNduRanT

January 10th, 2007, 06:56 PM

Lahat ng MRT stations pangit sa design. Sana lahat na ng future MRT at LRT projects mapattern na sa design ng LRT 2.

Francis20

January 10th, 2007, 10:40 PM

WOW! We have a former USEC on da haus! Welcome po sir. Pero anong chat po ang sinasabi niyo? You probably mean this discussion thread? Baka kasi kako nagchchat kayo ni Tyronne at di namin nababasa usapan niyo :)
Enjoy your stay sir at ngayon pa lang, we're learning a lot from your insights...being someone from the industry.

^ Tigs, the taxi service for both NAIA 1 and Domestic are quite expensive, but that's the safest way of getting to where you wanna head to if you're coming from the airport. Medyo risky kasi pag kung sinusinong taxi na lang sasakyan mo paglapag mo sa NAIA 1. We experienced that before. They call themselves metered taxi. But the "meter" is not the usual metro ng taxi. They have their own calculations i mean a chart of fare...I assume they will show you once you get into your destination.

If i remember it right...this are the rates:

To Makati is USD 20. Increments yata ng 5 as you go further north. Nahiblood talaga ako...I never thougt me mga ganinto pa rin opportunistic people out there na nagaantay ng unsuspecting prey. I tried to negotiate saying we have no idea that's the agreement. We clearly asked if it's metered or not. I ended up paying around Php700 from airport to Pasay. This should serve as a warning to everyone. It's better to have someone fetch you at the airport...dapat tignan niyo yung metro pag gumagana. Otherwise, get off the taxi immediately.

so it will indeed be a big leap for our transpo system if MRT and LRT will be linked to both domestic and international terminals. yung tipong paglabas mo ng tren nasa waiting area ka na ng airport!

Francis20

January 10th, 2007, 10:48 PM

and guess what guys...nanood ako ng Shake Rattle and Roll dahil sa LRT yung isang episode. :D but not much of LRT was short.

Francis20

January 10th, 2007, 10:50 PM

^ cubao nga. dahil sa TV. pero parang hindi kasi konti lang tao. san nga ba?

tigidig14

January 11th, 2007, 12:28 AM

Whoops! Sorry,Tigs! :ohno:
Mayroon kasi akong secretary na Tigs ang nickname. However, in
her case we call her Tigs because those were the initials of
her full name Teresita I. G. Sison. So by force of habit, pati ikaw tuloy
ay natawag kong iha. My apologies again! Di na mauulit.

Anyway, in reply to your question about why a light rail spur to NAIA has not been built, I can tell you that as far back as 1999 we had made some serious studies on the technical and financial feasibility of a NAIA link. At that time, the people behind MRT were more concerned about putting in that last link at the north end of Line 3 (MRT) that would connect it to Line 1 at Caloocan. The economic and financial returns on that sectional project would have been greater than a NAIA link, at that time.

Unfortunately, for certain reasons the Line 3-Line 1 link at the northern ends remain undone to this day. However, I have just read a posting in this forum a while ago that the green light has finally been given on this project.

I'll be looking forward to reading more news about this over the next few days.

Getting back to the NAIA link: back in 1999 the ridership projections for this segment were not considered high enough to support the cost of building, operating and maintaining that short section. However, perhaps if we had imputed into the overall analysis of economic benefits the support value that a NAIA link would have on tourism, we might have been able to persuade congress to consider a subsidy to cover the revenue shortfall. The ridership was also too low to make it an attractive BOT prospect for a private sector proponent, who would have insisted on a ridership guarantee from government. Given the budgetary crunch at that time, I doubt if NEDA could have been persuaded to agree to a ridership guarantee on that particular project.

In other words, Tigs, hindi magiging sapat ang kikitahin sa koleksyon ng pasahe sa NAIA link dahil mukhang kaunti lamang ang kanyang maidadagdag sa ridership. At dahil diyan ay mapipilitan ang gobyerno na mag-subsidize sa pagpapatakbo at sa pagbabayad ng gagastusin sa project na yan.

That was the situation in 1999. Ewan ko lang ngayon kung nagbago na. I hope this information can be helpful to you, Tigs. In the meantime, ang maaaring gawin ng gobyerno sa NAIA ay higpitan ang mga security procedures nila na nauukol sa operation ng mga taxi sa airport. Alam ko na mahirap gawin ito lalu na pag nakalabas na ng airport perimeter yung taxi at ang pasahero nito. Actually police problem ito more than it is a transportation problem, di ba? I do agree with you that a NAIA link via MRT or LRT would give riders from and to the NAIA a much safer (from criminals) ride than a taxi.
thanks po sa mga explanation, ngayon ay makakatulog na po ko :lol:
pero seriously, it wouldve been best if they add an mrt/lrt link in naia because
first it would be a great site for the tourists, all the train station in states has rail system attach through it; 2ndly, it can add employment for the rest who wonders around the station; and 3rdly, it would expand the diverse population in manila, that is if the clark hub would be approved.

mhe-ann

January 11th, 2007, 02:07 AM

I ended up paying around Php700 from airport to Pasay. This should serve as a warning to everyone. It's better to have someone fetch you at the airport...dapat tignan niyo yung metro pag gumagana. Otherwise, get off the taxi immediately.

hmm... this is true. my friend ended up paying 500+pesos. from airport to pasay din. basta makauwi na lang.

Lili

January 11th, 2007, 02:49 AM

Hi Everyone!

I left my post in DOTC in July 2001 to join my family in the U.S.
However, I kept in touch with some of my friends in the
mass transit field back in the Philippines for a while.

Later, as I began to be involved in mass transit concerns in
San Francisco, my focus shifted to this city and the state of
California. I also started to look at mass transit developments
in Europe.

I will now need to rely on your group in the SSC to bring me up to
speed on what is happening there, while I reconnect to my former
colleagues in DOTC, if any of them are still there.

From what I know, there are many new faces in DOTC, and
quite a few are retirees who came from unrelated agencies.

I am glad to note that, for the most part, the master plan for the
rational integration of the MRT and LRT Lines and the program for
expanding rail-based mass transit systems which I drew up in 2000
are still being followed.

It amazes me that up to now, the northern end of the MRT line
has not yet been connected to the Caloocan end of LRT1. The rationale
of LRT1 and MRT or LRT3 is to establish a rail loop.

At any rate, I am truly delighted to be able to participate in your
chats and I hope that I can contribute as much to your discussions
as I anticipate I will learn from your comments. I have read through
much of your various threads and I must say that I am impressed at
the depth of your comments. Your enthusiasm for mass transit systems
is the best support that such systems need to become a truly effective
means of moving people within the environment of their daily activities.

I enjoyed viewing the various pictures that some members of your group
have posted. These have made me homesick and have stirred fond
memories of the work that I had so enormously enjoyed doing in DOTC.

But most of all I am gratified to read your comments because through them
I can see that you enjoy using the system and you appreciate what such
a system can do for you and your fellow riders.

Mabuhay kayong lahat!

Welcome to SSC former USEC Carlos Borromeo. The threads will benefit from your expertise in the area as well as your exposure in the bureacracy in implementing a comprehensive transportation plan and mass transit system in the Philippines. We are gratified by your presence here especially knowing that you drew up the master plan for the rational integration of the MRT and LRT Lines and the program for expanding rail-based mass transit system.

It is good that during your hiatus from government work, you have looked into the mass transit systems all over the world. From your travels, which one do you think is the most feasible in the Philippines?

I'd also like for you to consider not just efficiency and efficacy of travel but also the aesthetics involved in building those transportation systems as well as heritage issues (i.e. sentimentalism over the colorful jeepneys as Filipino icons).

I for one found the humongous LRT/MRT posts obtrusive and darken the vistas of the streets. I thought they were built too high and the posts too monolithic.

dancethingy

January 11th, 2007, 03:49 AM

lili i thought the same about the posts, but i thought they were required due to the Philippines being an earthquake prone region.

Lili

January 11th, 2007, 04:19 AM

^^ Is that so? And I thought it was for all the cuts that can be had from contractors for all that cement.

bagel

January 11th, 2007, 04:31 AM

I remember when I took LRT1 for the first time (when it opened in the early 1980s), they had a special on it on TV-- one of my earliest TV memories. And the newscaster, I believe Tina Palma on News at Seven, said that they were built to withstand earthquakes of at least intensity 8.

They've since improved technologies since then as LRT2 looks alot sleeker.

phenom

January 11th, 2007, 05:51 AM

^ ...........I ended up paying around Php700 from airport to Pasay.

I usually paid only about P70; P100 tops if the traffic is horrendous.
That's because I boarded the cabs only at the departure hall. Upon arrival (T1 & T2), just go upstairs and hop onto one that just discharged its passenger. Alternatively, if you travel light, take a little walk (only a couple of minutes) to the main road (with your back to the terminal building, turn left in the case of T2 and right for T1) and hail a passing cab...or an air-con bus for P10.:)

Carlos Borromeo

January 11th, 2007, 09:42 AM

Welcome to SSC former USEC Carlos Borromeo. The threads will benefit from your expertise in the area as well as your exposure in the bureacracy in implementing a comprehensive transportation plan and mass transit system in the Philippines. We are gratified by your presence here especially knowing that you drew up the master plan for the rational integration of the MRT and LRT Lines and the program for expanding rail-based mass transit system.

It is good that during your hiatus from government work, you have looked into the mass transit systems all over the world. From your travels, which one do you think is the most feasible in the Philippines?

I'd also like for you to consider not just efficiency and efficacy of travel but also the aesthetics involved in building those transportation systems as well as heritage issues (i.e. sentimentalism over the colorful jeepneys as Filipino icons).

I for one found the humongous LRT/MRT posts obtrusive and darken the vistas of the streets. I thought they were built too high and the posts too monolithic.

Hello Lili! I had started to reply to your posting but as I was almost finished and ready to submit my reply I fumbled on a key that zapped everything that I had written. Now I see that it is already 11:38 pm here in San Francisco and I need to get up early tomorrow to catch an early flight. I'll be back this weekend and will respond to your questions then. All the best!

Dvorak

January 11th, 2007, 09:57 AM

International airport ba to?? we have used the airport taxis there for more than 10 years na.. wala naman nagiging problem.. tsaka ang airport taxi walang metro talaga..

mas ok na nga ngayon.. centralized na ang pilahan.. at may nakasulat na rate na kung saan ka pupunta.. dati kasi kanya kanya silang booth.. we always get the Nissan taxi service.. NAIA to ZObel roxas non eh 350.00 lang.

last time I used it, last november, NAIA1 to Boni eh 450.00 lang yata.. so how come you guys are paying 700.00 from NAIA to pasay??

hmm... this is true. my friend ended up paying 500+pesos. from airport to pasay din. basta makauwi na lang.

Askal82

January 12th, 2007, 07:10 AM

lili i thought the same about the posts, but i thought they were required due to the Philippines being an earthquake prone region.

I think Manila could still have a rail transit system similar to Tokyo subway which also sits under the ring of fire. Perhaps they were the cost and political issues that prompted them to create elevated tracks instead of laying them underground. However, costs for tunnel construction have significantly decreased as the technology improved the same since then.

queetz@home

January 12th, 2007, 07:12 AM

^^ I thought the reasoning for the elevated guideway has more to do with flooding rather than the cost(labour is cheap) or political(people would opt more for tunnels than elevated) issues. Tunneling are okay in some parts of Metro Manila but definitely not in Old Manila where it floods all the time whether you like it or not.

FrancisXavier

January 12th, 2007, 08:01 AM

i guess what makes tunneling in manila expensive is the drainage, wires,etc that they would have to deal with.

OtAkAw

January 12th, 2007, 09:10 AM

^^And isn't it Manila is on top of very hard adobe stone?

Askal82

January 13th, 2007, 03:40 AM

i guess what makes tunneling in manila expensive is the drainage, wires,etc that they would have to deal with.

Thanks to the short sightedness, inefficiency and lack of long term government planning back then that lead to the chaos on the streets as escalation of costs to fix them seems almost impossible to achieve in our current situation. It makes me cringe to even glance those unsightly and dangerous electrical wires dangling above my head so typical in the streets of Manila.

flymordecai

January 13th, 2007, 04:07 AM

Can anyone post pictures of LRT2? I keep hearing how it's a lot nicer compared to the others.

FrancisXavier

January 13th, 2007, 12:25 PM

there are on the previous pages.

redu23

January 14th, 2007, 02:32 PM

Alam niyo ba ung milagrong nangyayari sa likod ng MRT trains?, hehe

thomasian

January 14th, 2007, 05:46 PM

^^ Ano naman 'yang 'milagro' na yan?

nayki

January 15th, 2007, 08:23 AM

^^ Baka kasi naexperience na ni thomasian yan dahil sa mga "mandurukot" sa mrt..:lol: joke! peace..

thomasian

January 15th, 2007, 12:51 PM

^^ Ah, yung bang naikwento ko na "mandurukot"? Baka yun nga ang sinasabi nyang milagro, hehe, siksikan kasi madalas sa MRT eh. :D Kaya siguro nauuso na sila sa MRT. :tongue3:

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01.05.07 - A one-way-at-a-time sidewalk, thanks to the MRT.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_010507_001x.jpg

P.S. I don't like walking that sidewalk when I'm carrying a backpack, di kasi kasya pag may nakasalubong ka.

BoNduRanT

January 15th, 2007, 02:13 PM

richard24

January 15th, 2007, 02:20 PM

nayki

January 15th, 2007, 02:24 PM

Oo nga kaso sa sobrang dami ng pasahero nalalaspag din kagad, wala pang 10 years yan, 1998 nag open mrt tama ba?

FrancisXavier

January 15th, 2007, 02:32 PM

1998 or 2000?

habagatcentral1

January 15th, 2007, 02:35 PM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0212.jpg

Where is this MRT Station? hehehe!!! La lang! :D

nayki

January 15th, 2007, 02:41 PM

1998 or 2000?
si erap na ba nag inagurate nun? siya nga ata, so 2000?

Mithril Cloud

January 15th, 2007, 03:09 PM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0212.jpg

Where is this MRT Station? hehehe!!! La lang! :D

North Avenue?

BoNduRanT

January 15th, 2007, 03:35 PM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/DSCF0212.jpg

Where is this MRT Station? hehehe!!! La lang! :D

Quezon Ave Station to. Kita ko yung orange/yellow condo building na bagong tayo, yung next high rise eh GMA 7.

Ex!lE

January 15th, 2007, 05:23 PM

THE Philippine government plans to float bonds or IOUs to raise funds for the extension of the Light Rail Transit Line 1 in Monumento to North Avenue in Quezon City, a high-ranking DOTC official said Monday.

In an interview, Guiling A. Mamondiong, undersecretary for railway of the Department of Transportation and Communications, said the government will sell bonds worth $120 million to provide funding for the 5.4-kilometer railway from Monumento to Quezon City.

Mamondiong said the expansion comprises three new stations—Balintawak, Muñoz and North Avenue.

“The feasibility and detailed engineering study are undergoing,” he confirmed, saying further the LRT Line 1 and the MRT 3 loop will be closed by 2010.

The LRT Line 1 North extension project will replace the abandoned Edsa North Transit (ENT) project. It will run from North Avenue to Malabon and connect NorthRail project.

Similarly, the government may tap official development assistance (ODA) to fund the planned Manila Light Rail Transit (LRT) Line 1 south extension project.

Document obtained by The Manila Times earlier showed that government will borrow $260 million through a 20-year ODA loan at 6-percent interest rates to fund the $682-million rail system that will run southward to the cities of Parañaque and Las Piñas and the neigh*boring municipalities of Bacoor, Imus and Dasmariñas, in the Cavite province.

Of the total, $29.5 million for right of way; civil works, $392 million; electrical and mechanical works, $67.6 million and system enhancement works, $237.9 million.

Private investors, on the other hand, will shoulder the $393 million through commercial loans land equity at a 70:30 ration.

The National Economic and Development Authority’s Cabinet Committee has approved the project earlier.

Investors who submitted intentions to fund the project include the China BFECO Group, China National Technical I & E Corp., China Overseas Northwest Construction Engineering Co. Ltd., PJI Corp. of Japan, International Business Development of Japan, AMA Group Holdings Corp. and Achivesta, a consortium of Japan-Filipino investors. Other companies that expressed interest include the Isolux Corban, Spain; Rites Limited of India; Infrastructure Leasing and Network Services Limited of India; DM Consunji Inc., Sumitomo Corp.; China State Construction Engineering Corp. and China Railway South Group Co. Ltd. Overseas Engineering Co. of China.

The private proponent would have an investment rate of return of 16.99 percent, while the government is at 7.16 percent.

The government expects an annual ridership of 131 million starting 2010 and 162 million by 2011.
--Darwin G. Amojelar

queetz@home

January 15th, 2007, 06:01 PM

The LRT Line 1 North extension project will replace the abandoned Edsa North Transit (ENT) project.

Don't you just love it when you read about one of the best things that has ever happened in the Philippines in recent times again and again... :yes:

pau_p1

January 16th, 2007, 02:50 AM

nayki

January 16th, 2007, 03:48 AM

pag nagkaganon pa dating nga malabon magiging bangka na ung mrt.:lol:

queetz@home

January 16th, 2007, 06:22 AM

hmm... why should they just extend MRT to Malabon to the Northrail line, since basically it will just go straight from EDSA to Malabon.. unlike LRT1 which will need to turn left...which may need to demolish something.. unless they'll have it run along the rotund of Monumento...

Well, you can read all the MRT/LRT posts throughout the past few years to find out why. But in a nutshell...

1) MRTC f*cked up and cannot do a very simple, cheap extension to Monumento (should be finished by 2004!).

2) Some idiots who deserve to be shot and burn in hell proposed a stand alone line called the EDSA North Transit, aka "ENT", to bridge the gap between SM City and Monumento, complete with its own rail yard, own set of incompatible trains, etc

3) President Arroyo (must have somehow sense my ranting in this forum) got smart and cancelled EDSA North Transit and rightfully so

4) Gave the responsibility from the incompetent DOTC who, had the audacity to even consider ENT, to LRTA to bridge the gap, given their excellent track record with LRT2 and the continuing rehabilitation of LRT1

5) Now the plan is to extend LRT1 to SM City, the future transit hub which will now be the centre of connection for LRT1, MRT3 and the upcoming LRT7

I think its somewhere along those lines...but you should get the jits of it... :D

kevinb

January 16th, 2007, 12:35 PM

ang LRT2 kasi sobrang regular ang cleaning niya... both inside and out. laging may nagpupunas ng mga pader... laging may nagmomop... chaka linis ng mga CR...

Tsaka sobrang lawak ng train ng LRT2 compared sa LRT1 and MRT3. Sana nga ganun lahat ng light rail trains sa Manila eh. Saan nga pala gawa ung LRT2 trains?

Mithril Cloud

January 16th, 2007, 01:28 PM

^^ South Korea, by ROTEM.

kevinb

January 16th, 2007, 01:29 PM

^^ And the LRT1 is by a European country right? How about MRT3?

kikodj

January 16th, 2007, 01:49 PM

I'm new here

ask lang pow..

guys meron bang treads dito na tunkol lang exclusively sa LRT 1... salamat??

wala ako makita e...("_)

kikodj

January 16th, 2007, 02:14 PM

ask lang pow??

diba LRTs and MRTs are created para mabawasan ang traffic...

kung ganun bakit ma traffic sa baba ng monumento station???

at ang dahilan ay yung mga passengers tawid ng tawid doon sa road

any suggestions para ma iwasan yun?? ("j) foot bridge or something??

saan kya maganda ilagay yung footbridge?? or walkway..

FrancisXavier

January 16th, 2007, 02:36 PM

I'm new here

ask lang pow..

guys meron bang treads dito na tunkol lang exclusively sa LRT 1... salamat??

wala ako makita e...("_)

i dont think so.. This is the only thread(6th) intended for Manila's Metro system.

redu23

January 16th, 2007, 04:50 PM

ilang taon palang ba ang MRT3? may 10 years old na ba yan?

ang LRT2 kasi sobrang regular ang cleaning niya... both inside and out. laging may nagpupunas ng mga pader... laging may nagmomop... chaka linis ng mga CR...

Yeah, thats why I keep on insisting my parents to live in Pasig eventhough my home is walking-distance from my school somewhere in U-Belt just to ride LRT line2.:lol: :lol:

Mithril Cloud

January 16th, 2007, 05:48 PM

^^ And the LRT1 is by a European country right? How about MRT3?

The 1G LRT1 train was made by Belgium, yes. However, the 2G was also made by South Korea and the 3G by Japan. MRT3's rolling stock was made in the Czech Republic by ČKD.

metrosuburban

January 16th, 2007, 06:02 PM

^^ Yung gawa ng CKD pang-tram with low capacity, kaya malalaspag talaga yan pag laging crowded...

kevinb

January 17th, 2007, 09:27 AM

The 1G LRT1 train was made by Belgium, yes. However, the 2G was also made by South Korea and the 3G by Japan. MRT3's rolling stock was made in the Czech Republic by ČKD.

Now I know. Thanks.:)

Alitaptap

January 23rd, 2007, 02:25 AM

Government plans P10-B bond float for MRT-LRT interconnection
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
The Philippine Star 01/23/2007

The government will float more than P10-billion worth of bonds to finance two major infrastructure projects, Socioeconomic Planning Secretary and National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) Director General Romulo L. Neri said. He said this fund-raising activity will bankroll the MRT-LRT interconnection in North Edsa and the ship leasing project.

According to Neri, investors are getting "very impatient" with the MRT-LRT project. "I said to finance it immediately. NDC (National Development Co.) can float P10 billion in bonds (for this project),". Neri said NDC was supposed to float P20 billion worth of bonds last year but only managed to release half of it. "We have a P10-billion slack," he noted.

He said the float should be done soon. "Interest rates might go up," he said. However, he pointed out that project construction will not begin immediately and would likely start after the May national elections. "We will have to arrange the financing. It takes time," he said.

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200701230702.htm

IsaRic

January 24th, 2007, 07:55 AM

Hey peeps! Just wondering... how bout SUBWAYS? Has there ever been a plan for a subway system in MM???

anyone???

FrancisXavier

January 24th, 2007, 10:03 AM

There is/was..

kikodj

January 24th, 2007, 11:01 AM

yung mrt diba merong part na sub yun?

ewh1

January 24th, 2007, 11:20 AM

there were plans of a subway going through Ayala Ave.
apparently if you look carefully when passing through the MRT Station in Ayala
It was bascially going to be a loop between Ayala and Fort Bonifacio.

stephencua

January 24th, 2007, 11:24 AM

yeah i saw that part where the MRT veers off towards ayala.. i wonder will we ever see that line built into completion? in the far future?

BoNduRanT

January 24th, 2007, 03:34 PM

I've seen that too.

metrosuburban

January 24th, 2007, 08:25 PM

^^ seen the what? what part is that???

stephencua

January 25th, 2007, 03:02 AM

when you ride on the MRT going from buendia to ayala station, look at the right side.. there is a part where the tunnel veers off to the right.. i suppose this is the part where the MRT is supposed to go towards the ayala loop.. but its closed now.. take a look next time you ride the MRT.. ;)

ewh1

January 25th, 2007, 12:38 PM

yeah
The Underground walkways are suppost to be entrances to the Stations i believe
thats what someone said on here about a year ago.

The Subway under Ayala would be hard to do
they would have to use either the Cut and Fill method or the Tunnel boring system, but either way they would probably have to close down the road for structual and stability concerns at least i think. Maybe technology is more advanced than what i am thinking

Bosnyboy

January 25th, 2007, 03:11 PM

Are those underpass along ayala ave part of the subway system?

Mithril Cloud

January 26th, 2007, 01:08 PM

Yellow Line (LRT-1) photos:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_1472.jpg
1G at Vito Cruz.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_1473.jpg
Incoming 3G.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_1474.jpg
3G closeup.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_1478.jpg
Inside the 3G.

kikodj

January 26th, 2007, 03:37 PM

saang station ba ng MRT yung tulay na merong tulay sa ibabaw??

salamat...

Mithril Cloud

January 26th, 2007, 03:47 PM

Do you mean the bridge at EDSA with a Mitsubishi-branded steel bridge carrying the MRT tracks on top?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/pau_p1/Makati/DSC00916.jpg

kikodj

January 26th, 2007, 04:16 PM

oo nga no meron nga tulay astig... salamat

ano ba yung dumadaan dun sa taas na tulay?? at dun sa baba??

not familiar kse information naman?? salamat

FrancisXavier

January 26th, 2007, 04:35 PM

i heared from the news babaklasin din yung electronic billboard jan? :ohno:

FrancisXavier

January 26th, 2007, 04:36 PM

oo nga no meron nga tulay astig... salamat

ano ba yung dumadaan dun sa taas na tulay?? at dun sa baba??

not familiar kse information naman?? salamat

yung nasa taas, MRT track.. yung nasa baba, guadalupe bridge.. :)

thomasian

January 29th, 2007, 10:36 AM

01.24.07

The bridge connecting LRT2 and LRT1 with the "squatter" view...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_001x.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_002x.jpg

The new Doroteo Jose transfer station as seen from the bridge...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_003x.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_004x.jpg

The expansion for the old station's platform level...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_005x.jpg

Details of the new design...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_006x.jpg

From outside...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_007x.jpg

The I-beams of the old station's roof being painted blue...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_009x.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_008x.jpg

Other platform-level pics...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_010x.jpg

Big time katangahan of the design...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/aaron_ofngol/Photo_012407_011x.jpg

richard24

January 29th, 2007, 01:31 PM

wow... now, people wont need to cross the street below just to get to the other platform! :) hope they do the same for the other stations.. :) i'm really impressed with LRTA. :)

weird nga lang ung color... diba "yellow line" ang LRT1? eh bakit blue.. hehehehe... wala lang.

Mithril Cloud

January 29th, 2007, 02:25 PM

Interesting, are they going to widen the platforms? But why blue? It doesn't look good for the station. :ohno:

I wonder if EDSA's expansion is similar to this one.

kikodj

January 29th, 2007, 08:26 PM

are there plans of upgrading other lrta stations??

Mithril Cloud

January 30th, 2007, 01:46 PM

Interiors:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_1825.jpg
LRT1/Yellow Line 1G

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0071.jpg
LRT1/Yellow Line 2G

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_1478.jpg
LRT1/Yellow Line 3G

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0034b.jpg
LRT2/MRT2/Purple Line

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0152.jpg
MRT3/Blue Line

richard24

January 30th, 2007, 02:21 PM

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/IMG_0034b.jpg

see the guy with the Yellow Shirt? iyan ang pwesto ko everyday. i'm always on the last door of the first coach. usually right side ng train.

wala lang.. :)

kikodj

January 30th, 2007, 02:36 PM

how about the PNR any updates?? dapat meron ding pictures ng interiors dun?? hehehehe

BoNduRanT

January 30th, 2007, 04:42 PM

Yey! I was able to ride the LRT-1 3G trains this morning. Ok lang, kaso sobrang dumi na ng flooring :lol: The good thing about it, smooth ride and the aircons are working.

Mithril Cloud

January 30th, 2007, 04:58 PM

^^ Yep, madali na nang madumihan, di pa masyadong makapit yung sahig ng 3G. Kaya mas ok sa kin yung sahig ng 1G, di halatang madumi. :)

normandb

January 30th, 2007, 10:37 PM

Yey! I was able to ride the LRT-1 3G trains this morning. Ok lang, kaso sobrang dumi na ng flooring :lol: The good thing about it, smooth ride and the aircons are working.

at amoy downy kaya bango bango. ito na siguro pinakamabagong train ng LRT. Naalala ko yong MRT dati meron pang air freshner dati kaya hinanap ko sa LRT 3g kung san banda nakalagay pero wala akong nakita. nakakatakot minsan pag naipit sa pinto kasi kasabay ng tunog (yong parang kay Ultraman na may blink blink pa) after 2 seconds sarado agad pinto hindi tulad sa lumang models na tutunog muna na 2 seconds bago magsara.

stephencua

January 31st, 2007, 03:06 AM

I was able to scan the full page ad of the philippine railways last monday.. in the second pix you could see the advertised completion dates.. anybody have any comments?

sorry bout the size, havent had the time to resize them.. :P

http://i15.tinypic.com/2dh8bib.jpg

http://i9.tinypic.com/42twy1x.jpg

bustero

January 31st, 2007, 04:51 AM

good job stephen, looks about right. too bad they had no finish dates for the other projects.

pau_p1

January 31st, 2007, 05:10 AM

hmmm... so what's that broken line on the Samar-Leyte islands from Allen Port to Maasin?

MichaelNikki

January 31st, 2007, 05:33 AM

Tsk! di talaga uubra MRT natin comparable ng SKYTRAIN sa Thailand. Ang stations and rail tracks pa lang natin ang dumi tignan. When i went to thailand last 2006 i was awe struck with their Mass train service and one thing may subway train na sila tayo ala :(.

stephencua

January 31st, 2007, 07:07 AM

hopefully all the projects could be finished on time.. haha.. wishful thinking b?

Lili

January 31st, 2007, 07:21 AM

Great thread and updates! It is exciting to see that completion schedule for the railway projects.

FrancisXavier

January 31st, 2007, 07:51 AM

pau_p1

January 31st, 2007, 08:56 AM

yeah.. let's always hope for the best... and not to much envious of our neighbors...

thomasian

January 31st, 2007, 05:01 PM

see the guy with the Yellow Shirt? iyan ang pwesto ko everyday. i'm always on the last door of the first coach. usually right side ng train.

wala lang.. :)

Pero nung aksidente tayong nagkita sa LRT2 nasa gitna ka?

The most noticeable thing for all the train interior pics... LRT2's wideness, pwedeng gawing catwalk yung train, literally, at end-to-end pa. Dun kita nakita nung naisipan kong maglakad papunta sa kabilang dulo ng tren habang umaandar. :D

Ang pwesto ko lagi sa LRT2, sa tapat ng pinto na may view ng labas. Di na kailangan pang humawak sa handrails, malayo yung nasa gilid, tapos yung overhead naman di ko abot, kainis!!! Buti na lang gentle yung acceleration at deceleration ng Megatren, kahit di na humawak di ka matutumba.

at amoy downy kaya bango bango. ito na siguro pinakamabagong train ng LRT. Naalala ko yong MRT dati meron pang air freshner dati kaya hinanap ko sa LRT 3g kung san banda nakalagay pero wala akong nakita. nakakatakot minsan pag naipit sa pinto kasi kasabay ng tunog (yong parang kay Ultraman na may blink blink pa) after 2 seconds sarado agad pinto hindi tulad sa lumang models na tutunog muna na 2 seconds bago magsara.

Gusto ko yang "amoy bago" na amoy ng 3G, parang ang sarap magtagal sa loob ng tren para kumapit yung amoy bago sa damit. :colgate: