Metro Manila LRT and MRT Lines - Compiled Threads [Archive] - Page 37

stanleymalls

June 7th, 2009, 02:28 PM

^^
mukhang kakailanganin yun ng malaking area... kasi maraming
gagawing switches yung papunta sa ibang rail tracks

Yep. Mamaya ko iuupload yung sarili kong plano. :D

The MRT-4 station should be put underground so it can interchange at the Grand Central Terminal. Or, better yet, they should extend MRT-7 to España.

If not for SM, deretso siguro sana from QMC to España.

:redx:nakakadugo ang mag-isip at manghula sa kung ano ang balak ng government :bash:

sana may magpaubaya para sa lot ng GCT...

Kung gagawin nila yung GCT sa NHA property, siguraduhin nilang isasara nila ang North Station at mag establish ng substation sa harap naman ng SM Annex.

gusto kasi ng SM at Ayala.. makabili ang gobyerno sa kanilang lupa....
yun nga lang wla budget..
kaya sa gitna ng EDSA iniisip nila magconstruct...

It's the most convenient place to construct it dahil dito lahat ng lines mag-coconverge at mag-eexchange.

Pero the con to that plan is didilim ang North Ave.-EDSA Intersection, which should be the issue.

ang nakakatakot....
sigurado akong merong "KUHA" ang gobyerno dito...
hindi nila iintindihin ang kapakanan ng tao...
iintindihin pa nila ang pera sa proyektong ito...
baka may malaki "TOMPATS" yan.....

DIYOS KO!!

Yun lang. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

spearhead

June 7th, 2009, 04:05 PM

seriously this is bad , people can't just walk on the ramp , they are supposed to wait inside the train till the management solve the problem.

no man.... that's even more unsafe to do..... the sidewalk on the ramp is really for an emergency escape route, and the train seem to be starting to burn that's why they all panicked.....

ericlucky290

June 7th, 2009, 07:27 PM

Too lucky for me, nakasakay ako sa coach kung saan nagmula yung black smoke. Lagpass ng school sa Cubao, there was spark and then suddenly, lumabas yung black smoke doon sa red box malapit sa pinto. You need to go out kasi, you may get suffocated. Nakatayo ako doon mismo sa harap non and 1st thing too come out in your mind is to move away kasi there is a fear na baka masunog and WALA KAMING NAKITANG FIRE EXTINGUISHER. Sa ibang coach meron daw, kaya lang sabi ng mama kasabay kung naglakad, di daw umandar.

One thing I notice, nakakatakot bumaba sa train but you dont have no choice but to jump. Yung unang tumalaon sa amin na girl, muntik ng mahulog at sumabit sa railings. Kung mahulog ka doon, anong kabubuhay mo e EDSA bagsak mo. Daming tsinelas naiwan riles and awang awa ako sa mga bata. Layo pa naman nilakad namin at umuulan pa.

Pag-uwi ko, yung white jacket ko turn to black at amoy sunog na pastic ako :(

cool_blue

June 7th, 2009, 07:39 PM

Our government doesn't prioritize the people in the south of metro, including us in Cavite. :)

I AGREE WITH YOU! MUKHANG MAS MAUUNA PA YATANG MAITAYO YANG "GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL" NA YAN KAYSA SA LRT SOUTH EXTENSION NA 1996 PA NAKA-PLANO. :mad2:

barrera_marquez

June 7th, 2009, 11:11 PM

I AGREE WITH YOU! MUKHANG MAS MAUUNA PA YATANG MAITAYO YANG "GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL" NA YAN KAYSA SA LRT SOUTH EXTENSION NA 1996 PA NAKA-PLANO. :mad2:

Isn't it time to put your blame on your provincial government? Kung tutuusin sila-sila rin ang may sala kung bakit minsan or maybe madalas delayed ang mga proyekto riyan. From Manila to Cavite, what will welcome to tourists? Tagaytay is 2 1/2 hours away despite it is only 60 kms. (San Fernando, same distance = 45 minutes) Next year is 2010, the vote is yours.

kiretoce

June 7th, 2009, 11:16 PM

I AGREE WITH YOU! MUKHANG MAS MAUUNA PA YATANG MAITAYO YANG "GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL" NA YAN KAYSA SA LRT SOUTH EXTENSION NA 1996 PA NAKA-PLANO. :mad2:

It doesn't mean that if a plan was first conceptualized it should be the first to be implemented and completed. There are a myriad of factors affecting the delay of certain projects (or for some, the unfortunate scrapping of such plans).

cq40

June 8th, 2009, 12:57 AM

I AGREE WITH YOU! MUKHANG MAS MAUUNA PA YATANG MAITAYO YANG "GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL" NA YAN KAYSA SA LRT SOUTH EXTENSION NA 1996 PA NAKA-PLANO. :mad2:

The Grand Central Terminal is now part of Gloria's "Closing the loop" which is one of the plans way back in her initial SONA. It just needs to push thru, even if it takes moving mountains, this project has to finish first.

Take note that this is LRT-6, Chronologically, MRT-4 (shelved), and 5 should finish first before this, but since GCT and MRT-7 is backed by GMA and SM and the tug-of-war between Ayala, they got prioritized.

cool_blue

June 8th, 2009, 03:45 AM

The Grand Central Terminal is now part of Gloria's "Closing the loop" which is one of the plans way back in her initial SONA. It just needs to push thru, even if it takes moving mountains, this project has to finish first.

Take note that this is LRT-6, Chronologically, MRT-4 (shelved), and 5 should finish first before this, but since GCT and MRT-7 is backed by GMA and SM and the tug-of-war between Ayala, they got prioritized.

Is she influenced by the Sy's or the Ayala's? :ohno:

Projects in the south are being critized by Madrigal and Lacson. :bash:

It doesn't mean that if a plan was first conceptualized it should be the first to be implemented and completed. There are a myriad of factors affecting the delay of certain projects (or for some, the unfortunate scrapping of such plans).

have they considered the majority number of workforce working in Makati, Manila, Greenhills, Ortigas and even QC?? i don't think so... so if one day, all of us from the south plan a boycott by not going to work, what will happen to the economy? come to think of these... notice the long lines of people waiting for their ride in the transport terminal infront of intercontinental hotel? look what destination has the longest queue? all from the south.

Isn't it time to put your blame on your provincial government? Kung tutuusin sila-sila rin ang may sala kung bakit minsan or maybe madalas delayed ang mga proyekto riyan. From Manila to Cavite, what will welcome to tourists? Tagaytay is 2 1/2 hours away despite it is only 60 kms. (San Fernando, same distance = 45 minutes) Next year is 2010, the vote is yours.

Oh, OK...

FYI, it was whole-heartedly supported by then Congressman, now Senator Manny Villar. Now, you gave me an idea to Vote Manny Villar for President if we want this project to push through finally! :colgate:

I DON'T WANT ANY ARGUMENTS, just voicing out what i want to say :nocrook:

happosai

June 8th, 2009, 05:40 AM

have they considered the majority number of workforce working in Makati, Manila, Greenhills, Ortigas and even QC?? i don't think so... so if one day, all of us from the south plan a boycott by not going to work, what will happen to the economy? come to think of these... notice the long lines of people waiting for their ride in the transport terminal infront of intercontinental hotel? look what destination has the longest queue? all from the south.

Mas mag prosper pa sana ang south kung tatayuan ng LRT dyan. Maganda pa naman bumili ng house and lot dyan sa south. Kaso hanggat walang LRT ang hirap mag commute from there to Makati and back.

Waldenstrom

June 8th, 2009, 09:01 AM

Isn't it time to put your blame on your provincial government? Kung tutuusin sila-sila rin ang may sala kung bakit minsan or maybe madalas delayed ang mga proyekto riyan. From Manila to Cavite, what will welcome to tourists? Tagaytay is 2 1/2 hours away despite it is only 60 kms. (San Fernando, same distance = 45 minutes) Next year is 2010, the vote is yours.
Blame the provincial government? Puede. It's because of the 'inutil' Cavite Traffic Management Office. But you have to understand that the traffic situation in Cavite is already a national concern. Also, Aguinaldo Highway is a national road. The provincial government doesn't have the funds to support the 3 proposed highways.

I'd like to put the blame on the past Philippine presidents who didn't plan Cavite well. They didn't anticipate south's rapid growth in the last 2 decades. 6 out 10 richest municipalities in the country are in Cavite, however, it lacks in infrastructure. We have too many subdivisions and factories yet our most important highway which is worse than EDSA and probably the worst in the country.

According to the governor, it is the national government who doesn't prioritize the south. ;) However, I'd like to commend PGMA's administration. At least she did something to help alleviate the traffic condition, etc. Just read my post in in R1 ext. thread what those are.

The work force coming from the south is very big. We don't deserve this suffering. I hope the next Philippine president would prioritize us more.

You people in the North and Metro Manila proper are very lucky.

It doesn't mean that if a plan was first conceptualized it should be the first to be implemented and completed. There are a myriad of factors affecting the delay of certain projects (or for some, the unfortunate scrapping of such plans).
If there's a will, there's a way. But in our condition, we need more of national government's support.

Is she influenced by the Sy's or the Ayala's? :ohno:

Projects in the south are being critized by Madrigal and Lacson. :bash:

The main reason why she didn't prioritize before was because the whole Cavite was under opposition block. It was only after the whole Cavite became pro-admin when she prioritized the proposed projects in Cavite. Sadly, those won't be materialized before her term ends. According to her, it will take 10-15 years more.

daily commuter

June 8th, 2009, 10:30 AM

totoo ba yun narinig ko sa radyo na hindi na uli 24hours ang MRT?

happosai

June 8th, 2009, 10:37 AM

totoo ba yun narinig ko sa radyo na hindi na uli 24hours ang MRT?

^^Huli ka na sa balita.. :lol:

le Reine

June 8th, 2009, 10:54 AM

Yan ang pinaka effective na plan kaya lang, pag yan ang ginamit, wala nang option para mag tayo ng flyovers, may plan kasi para dun, so if ever dumami sasakyan sa area, wala nang choice. Traffic na.Well, I don't prioritize building flyovers. I hope by that time they would just implement BRT in that route to lessen the traffic and to encourage the use of mass transport. Building flyovers only promotes the use of cars. People should have a paradigm shift.

^^Huli ka na sa balita.. :lol::lol::rofl:

balay_1

June 8th, 2009, 11:01 AM

Well, I don't prioritize building flyovers. I hope by that time they would just implement BRT in that route to lessen the traffic and to encourage the use of mass transport. Building flyovers only promotes the use of cars. People should have a paradigm shift.

:lol::rofl:

Hindi ba pwedeng daanan ng mga buses ang flyovers?:lol:

le Reine

June 8th, 2009, 11:19 AM

Hindi ba pwedeng daanan ng mga buses ang flyovers?:lol:Common sense. Even if you build a lot of flyovers, it will just be useless after a few years because cars would just increase dramatically. When the use of buses (BRT) and other comprehensive mass transport (no jeepneys please) is prioritized, there would be less vehicles plying on the streets because a single bus could accomodate almost a hundred passengers. That's what you call efficiency.

NicknameForLife

June 8th, 2009, 11:23 AM

MOST IMPORTANT PROJECTS (for me):
1. GCT
2. LRT South Extension

diyos ko.... yung no.2 wla man lang akong nakikita kahit isang pylons.. dyos ko...
kung kailan naiinip ang tao.....
kailan pa kaya magagawa ito
PAG PUTI NA ANG UWAK!!!

barrera_marquez

June 8th, 2009, 11:31 AM

RonnieR

June 8th, 2009, 11:32 AM

Common sense. Even if you build a lot of flyovers, it will just be useless after a few years because cars would just increase dramatically. When the use of buses (BRT) and other comprehensive mass transport (no jeepneys please) is prioritized, there would be less vehicles plying on the streets because a single bus could accomodate almost a hundred passengers. That's what you call efficiency.

yes, jeepneys should be banned.

stanleymalls

June 8th, 2009, 12:36 PM

csc36869

June 8th, 2009, 01:07 PM

^^ They really caused a lot of pollution together with those old Japanese buses we've been using for years.

Or para hindi na lng mag hinanakit sila, BAWASAN by half ang dami ng jeepneys. And also LTFRB, DOTC and DENR should work on eliminating those buses, old or new, that spew out dark smoke from their buses/jeepneys.

Kaya lahat ng maganda dito sa MM, nasisira lang dahil sa usok na yan. :mad:

Hindi naman basta basta maiaalis ang mga jeepneys, maraming maapektuhan..Dapat cguro magkaruon tyo ng manufacturer ng jeepneys na ang gagamiting makina is ung mga brand new, hindi ung mga luma na ngdudulot ng air pollution. DI BA MAY BATAS NA TAYO NA NGBABAWAL NG PAG IMPORT NG MGA SECOND HAND VEHICLES?? KAYA DPAT WLA NG BUS NA SECOND HAND

yhuanista07

June 8th, 2009, 02:27 PM

barrera_marquez

June 8th, 2009, 02:43 PM

csc36869

June 8th, 2009, 03:10 PM

I have a proposal, what if all provincial routes will be handled by the buses and local routes will be handled by new, heavily-modified, high-capacity, air-conditioned jeepneys? At least, those jeepneys will be smaller than buses in EDSA since masyado nang congested roon and buses really takes a lot of space. And this time, make an organized jeepney route para hindi na bumababa kung saan-saan ang mga ito.

Lahat ng maa-apektuhan ay ire-retrain. For example, yung mga jeepney drivers will be retrained as bus drivers, conductors and dispatchers while bus drivers will be retrained as jeepney drivers and dispatchers.

Pwede kaso problema kung saan sila kukuha ng pondo para sa modification ng old jeepneys?

What if kung gawin na lng exclusive for private cars ang EDSA, tutal meron na naman MRT sa kahabaan nito tapos mgcreate sila ng bike lane on both side, then mgparent din ng bikes ang MRT, para ung medyo malayo sa stations ang pupuntahan, magbabike na lang.:):)

Ung mga public transport sa C5 na lang sila dadaan nun.

le Reine

June 8th, 2009, 03:19 PM

Kintoy

June 8th, 2009, 03:19 PM

Just a thought - Regardless of how the design is, the name "Grand Central Terminal" is a misnomer. It implies there is actually a railway (not just a metro) network operating.

"Grand Central Terminal" doesnt say anything about being exclusive to railways only, so why is it a misnomer?

filcan

June 8th, 2009, 04:16 PM

"Metro Central Terminal" sounds good. :D

stanleymalls

June 8th, 2009, 04:38 PM

Hindi naman basta basta maiaalis ang mga jeepneys, maraming maapektuhan..Dapat cguro magkaruon tyo ng manufacturer ng jeepneys na ang gagamiting makina is ung mga brand new, hindi ung mga luma na ngdudulot ng air pollution. DI BA MAY BATAS NA TAYO NA NGBABAWAL NG PAG IMPORT NG MGA SECOND HAND VEHICLES?? KAYA DPAT WLA NG BUS NA SECOND HAND

Kaya nga dapat as in mawala na sa landas ng MM roads yang mga old Jap buses.

kelan lng yung batas na yun... yung mga 2nd hand 30 yrs pa sa kalsada naten hahahaa:lol:

Yun nga. :ohno:

I have a proposal, what if all provincial routes will be handled by the buses and local routes will be handled by new, heavily-modified, high-capacity, air-conditioned jeepneys? At least, those jeepneys will be smaller than buses in EDSA since masyado nang congested roon and buses really takes a lot of space. And this time, make an organized jeepney route para hindi na bumababa kung saan-saan ang mga ito.

Lahat ng maa-apektuhan ay ire-retrain. For example, yung mga jeepney drivers will be retrained as bus drivers, conductors and dispatchers while bus drivers will be retrained as jeepney drivers and dispatchers.

Pwede, but constrain here is the budget at kung saan kukunin yun. :)

Pwede kaso problema kung saan sila kukuha ng pondo para sa modification ng old jeepneys?

What if kung gawin na lng exclusive for private cars ang EDSA, tutal meron na naman MRT sa kahabaan nito tapos mgcreate sila ng bike lane on both side, then mgparent din ng bikes ang MRT, para ung medyo malayo sa stations ang pupuntahan, magbabike na lang.:):)

Ung mga public transport sa C5 na lang sila dadaan nun.

Pwede rin. :)

The problem with EDSA is not the size of the buses but the oversupply of it esp. to some routes. You'll notice that many buses are carrying only a few passengers most of the time. Aside from that, there's just too many cars in EDSA. It is time to limit these. We cannot just expand or add flyovers all of the time just to mitigate traffic congestion. That's a stop gap, temporary measure and most of all it's an environment hazard.

If you'll use jeepneys, it would surely paralyze EDSA since they could only handle a few passengers. And it is costly to modify it to have a capacity as large as a bus. It is also almost impossible to match the capacity of a jeepney with a bus. We all know that the most number of passengers a jeepney could handle is 25, compare that to buses which could carry almost a hundred. This is all common sense, I find it hard to comprehend why a lot of people cannot realize that.

It is time to go mass transport. And a long-term planning should be needed. I really hope they would upgrade the MRT. The whole system (from the stations down to the trains) is not capable of handling the volume of passengers in EDSA. They should have put heavy rail or a metro at least. MRT is just a modern version of the old tranvia. The stations could not handle many passengers esp at peak hours. And the ticketing system is not only primitive, it is inefficient and slooooooowwwww...

Aside from that, they should follow London and Singapore wherein the government added fees just to go to CBDs. Congestion in these cities was miraculously brought down by 20%. That's what we call a carrot and stick approach. Right now, the government gives more incentives to use cars than to use mass tansport, no wonder there's a very large proliferation of cars every year. Cars and buses should only be allowed to use up to 10 and 15 years, respectively. That would surely lessen the number of vehicles too.

Wow!! A very good idea!!! :bow: :master:

"Grand Central Terminal" doesnt say anything about being exclusive to railways only, so why is it a misnomer?

Kahit anong mode of transpo naman siguro pwede gumamit nito. :)

Mithril Cloud

June 8th, 2009, 05:19 PM

North Avenue Interchange can also work.

evo_Sieg

June 8th, 2009, 05:56 PM

The problem with EDSA is not the size of the buses but the oversupply of it esp. to some routes. You'll notice that many buses are carrying only a few passengers most of the time. Aside from that, there's just too many cars in EDSA. It is time to limit these. We cannot just expand or add flyovers all of the time just to mitigate traffic congestion. That's a stop gap, temporary measure and most of all it's an environment hazard.

If you'll use jeepneys, it would surely paralyze EDSA since they could only handle a few passengers. And it is costly to modify it to have a capacity as large as a bus. It is also almost impossible to match the capacity of a jeepney with a bus. We all know that the most number of passengers a jeepney could handle is 25, compare that to buses which could carry almost a hundred. This is all common sense, I find it hard to comprehend why a lot of people cannot realize that.

It is time to go mass transport. And a long-term planning should be needed. I really hope they would upgrade the MRT. The whole system (from the stations down to the trains) is not capable of handling the volume of passengers in EDSA. They should have put heavy rail or a metro at least. MRT is just a modern version of the old tranvia. The stations could not handle many passengers esp at peak hours. And the ticketing system is not only primitive, it is inefficient and slooooooowwwww...

Aside from that, they should follow London and Singapore wherein the government added fees just to go to CBDs. Congestion in these cities was miraculously brought down by 20%. That's what we call a carrot and stick approach. Right now, the government gives more incentives to use cars than to use mass tansport, no wonder there's a very large proliferation of cars every year. Cars and buses should only be allowed to use up to 10 and 15 years, respectively. That would surely lessen the number of vehicles too.

Yes there are too much buses plying EDSA nowadays but it wouldn't be as much of a problem if they followed the rules of the road and don't hog the streets and terminals. I ride the bus everyday through EDSA and if only these buses load and unload in the designated places, go to the end of the terminal before stopping (instead of clogging up the entrance and piling up the traffic behind them) and keep to their own lanes then it wouldn't be much of a problem, but heck what can we do with these inutil drivers and kulang sa implementation MMDA men. Can't blame them though, if only they had enough power to be feared by bus drivers then that wouldn't be the case either..

No, a bus cannot normally accommodate one hundred, unless you pack them like sardines, which really doesn't help commuters. Cuses plying EDSA, especially the Novaliches and UE-Letre buses are often crammed to the doors, it'll take you a minute or two just to get out, together with a whole lot of intimate contact to boot. Now if these guys didn't hoard passengers then the roads and the buses themselves wouldn't be congested.

Its already been discussed that almost all the facilities in the MRT line are found lacking considering the passenger demand nowadays, which as posted a few threads back is caused by the previous consortium owners being profit-centric and non-passenger friendly, hence no long-term planning. Once the LRTA assumes control of the MRT operations and hopefully mimic the current ticketing system and additional ticketing measures being implemented in LRT 1 and 2 and with additional coaches then this would lessen a lot the "sloooooooowww" reklamos by the commuters.

London and Singapore are leagues beyond what the Philippines is now. Without going into the issue of corruption in the government lets just say public transport wouldn't get enough attention as much as those being done in the aforementioned countries. Besides the government already subsidizes the fare thats why its a helluva cheaper than riding the bus the whole distance of EDSA. Lets just be happy that there are already steps being made to rectify the mistakes done by the previous owners of the MRT and take solace that at least, as we near the elections that improvements will be done to the metro lines.

barrera_marquez

June 8th, 2009, 11:28 PM

Pwede kaso problema kung saan sila kukuha ng pondo para sa modification ng old jeepneys?

What if kung gawin na lng exclusive for private cars ang EDSA, tutal meron na naman MRT sa kahabaan nito tapos mgcreate sila ng bike lane on both side, then mgparent din ng bikes ang MRT, para ung medyo malayo sa stations ang pupuntahan, magbabike na lang.:):)

Ung mga public transport sa C5 na lang sila dadaan nun.

Exclusive for private cars? Mas maganda kung sa public transport kasi ang mga private cars ang pinakalaganap sa EDSA. Kawawa ang riding public kasi not all of EDSA (although majority) is built with MRT/LRT.

cq40

June 8th, 2009, 11:58 PM

barrera_marquez

June 9th, 2009, 02:37 AM

No Y'all, EDSA simply has too much cars, 10 years ago it was literally 3km/hr at peak hours, and now, it should be like 1.5 km/hr right?, no, with the help of MRT and Bayani Fernando, things changed for the better, waay better.

I love trains. I still don't get why we are so slow in making these precious railways that essentially "fixes everything". Just because politicians can't corrupt in it much? :nuts:

Ang lakas nga ng corruption sa railroads e, imagine if the allegations in Northrail is true kaya siya umabot ng $ 500 million then limpak ang naging suhol nila riyan.

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 04:10 AM

After reading about the plans for a QC CBD in the North Triangle area, I guess the perfect spot for the Grand Central Station is in the NHA Property.

They are planning to make the triangle area a transport hub as well, thus it has to be in the NHA property so they can build intermodal linkages to bus or jeepney terminals. Just imagine the Araneta Center (a transport hub where everything converges) but in the North Triangle area.

The GCS should be built in the NHA property because of the planned developments in that area. Building it beside SM above EDSA is short term thinking, the NHA property area looks empty right now, but just imagine it when the all the offices and residential condos are built already.

Any news if they made a decision already?

Ecija

June 9th, 2009, 04:13 AM

^^Agree.:cheers:

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 04:20 AM

yes, jeepneys should be banned.

You can find more discussions on this topic at the Jeepneys King of the Road thread.

My personal solution to this is use the market to force them out of existence. Provide comfortable modes of transport such as aircon minibuses so people will have a choice and stop riding jeepneys.

Banning them is a potentially explosive proposition, aside from that there should be existing alternatives or else walang masasakyan mga tao.

adgaps

June 9th, 2009, 04:22 AM

somehow i'm getting convinced that the NHA property would really be the best choice for the GCT...

kasi kung sa EDSA nga ilalagay yun, the traffic that the construction would cause will be horrible...

pati na rin yung traffic AFTER the GCT has been built...

i guess it will really be better if they'd utilize the vacant NHA property for the GCT... paalisin na lang yung squatters para mas maayos...

at para walang mga nagrereklamong "ba't mas inuuna nyo pa yang terminal na 'yan kesa sa kapakanan namin??" :ohno::ohno:

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 04:29 AM

Guys I've got a picture here of the planned North Triangle development, problema di ko marunong mag post ng pics dito. I can email it to one of you guys so you can post it on this thread, any volunteers?

adgaps

June 9th, 2009, 04:51 AM

photo courtesy of Planning Democracy

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9311/northtriangledev.jpg

evo_Sieg

June 9th, 2009, 04:57 AM

^ when was this made?

looks a bit, err, outdated though..

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 04:58 AM

photo courtesy of Planning Democracy

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9311/northtriangledev.jpg

thanks adgaps!

North Triangle

Location

- Bounded on the north by North Avenue, on the south by Quezon Avenue, on the west by EDSA and on the east by Elliptical Road.
Project Area = 54.37 has. (approx.)

Existing Land Use

- Institutional (area occupied by Phil Science HS, Children’s Museum & Library, Occupational Safety & Health Center, Phil Children’s Hospital)

- Commercial (area occupied by Manila Seedling Bank)

- Informal Settlers (NHA Property)

- Utility (area occupied by MRT Depot)

Present Status Of Development
- Development being administered by the newly created North Triangle
Development Committee (EO No. 106)

- Proposed mixed-use development (commercial/residential condominium,
transport terminals, ecopark) integrated with existing MRT depot

adgaps

June 9th, 2009, 04:59 AM

^^ it does look outdated...

but who knows, some of the plans indicated there migh materialize later on...

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 05:00 AM

^ when was this made?

looks a bit, err, outdated though..

From an old presentation by Mayor Sonny Belmonte, you might have an updated version of this if this is outdated.

kalbongdad

June 9th, 2009, 05:06 AM

muang matagal pa yang cbd..dahil sa state of the world economy....anyway at least meron plano para meron pwedeng tingnan ang susunod na mayor ng qc....

Ecija

June 9th, 2009, 05:12 AM

Maaaring matagal pa talaga yan, pero sa tingin ko baka mapabilis ang development ng bagong CBD kung diyan nga po maitatayo ang GCT.

greenshields

June 9th, 2009, 05:13 AM

No Y'all, EDSA simply has too much cars, 10 years ago it was literally 3km/hr at peak hours, and now, it should be like 1.5 km/hr right?, no, with the help of MRT and Bayani Fernando, things changed for the better, waay better.

I love trains. I still don't get why we are so slow in making these precious railways that essentially "fixes everything". Just because politicians can't corrupt in it much? :nuts:

Railways won't necessarily fix everything. And perhaps the reason why they aren't everywhere is because they are so precious (read: expensive). For a country that has limited resources for so many needs, pouring money into expensive infra won't really be that beneficial.

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 05:17 AM

Anyway, outdated or not, since there is a planned development on the North Triangle area, this is the logical location for the GCS.

For example, if you live in Manila or Cavite (when the South Extension is completed) and you work at the North Triangle CBD, and if the GCS is located beside SM, you take the LRT1 and then you either have to walk to your office or take the MRT to the North Ave station to get to your office. Wouldn't it be better if it went directly to your place of work?

Besides, the NHA property is a lot bigger so they have more design options rather than be constrained by building above EDSA.

greenshields

June 9th, 2009, 05:24 AM

There's a newer version of the GCT that was posted here a few months ago. SM is already gearing up for this as they are in the best position to connect to the proposed terminal.

evo_Sieg

June 9th, 2009, 05:31 AM

looks like the plans for the condominiums, hotel and office tower are iffy. and the developments have stretched to across Quezon Avenue, the Eton developments.

Perhaps some of the planned areas there would've been occupied by the Eaton development, if only there weren't those pesky squatters there.

royale_013

June 9th, 2009, 05:32 AM

Our government doesn't prioritize the people in the south of metro, including us in Cavite. :)

sisihin mo si jamby madrigal.. ok n yung c-5 extension pinatitigil p kasi mas malaki ang lupa ni villar kaysa sa kanya.. biatch tlagang senator toh, matangal sana.

Planning Democracy

June 9th, 2009, 05:43 AM

There's a newer version of the GCT that was posted here a few months ago. SM is already gearing up for this as they are in the best position to connect to the proposed terminal.

There was a recent posting here that the location was being reviewed because VP De Castro was suggesting the NHA property. I think the report also said that SM wasn't willing shoulder part of the cost if I remember correctly.

csc36869

June 9th, 2009, 01:15 PM

kaelthas18

June 9th, 2009, 11:02 PM

Korek! Mas maganda nga dun sa NHA property na lang gawin ung GCT pra hindi sumikip ang EDSA during at after ng construction.

it still unconfortable for passengers .. nako po, mahabang lakaran ito going to sm north.. sna equal to both malls. or rather put it in the dotc planned nlng, gawin nlng condo or mix used complex ung NHA site .. o kaya condo for the poor nlng..

queetz@home

June 9th, 2009, 11:53 PM

greenshields

June 10th, 2009, 01:37 AM

Correct ka dyan...it's location, location, location. Just follow the trajectories of the existing lines and project the terminus of MRT7 (the so-called SM Line) and MRT9 to see where the best place a Central Station should be. :)

Planning Democracy

June 10th, 2009, 03:33 AM

Man! People here are so missing the point. Sheesh! :nuts:

The NHA property does not make sense because it will not provide a central transfer point for LRT1, MRT3 and LRT7. MRT3 terminus will continue to be in the existing North Avenue Station while people still need to walk across Trinoma to get to the NHA lot to get to LRT1 and LRT7, assuming that is where Universal LRT, partially backed by SM Prime, would want the terminus to be.

Again, the whole point of the Grand Central Station is as a transfer point for all three lines, plus MRT9. That is only possible above EDSA beside SM Annex.

As for the proposed business district in QC, do you see the existing MRT3 be at the centre of the Makati CBD or Ortigas CBD? No! They are in the edges and people use feeder transportation systems like buses to go around. That is how it should be, and how its done in similar projects. There is NO VALUE in putting a central terminal that does not include MRT3 in the NHA lot to the proposed QC business district, that may not even materialize in the next few decades! We need that Grand Central Station up and running next year to serve the people that uses it at that time, not when there are colonies on Mars!

No, that is not how it should be. Just because Makati and Ortigas were built that way doesn't mean that it should always be that way.

Makati and Ortigas CBDs are car oriented. Too much traffic and commuting is inconvenient. From the MRT stations you have to take a bus, taxi, or jeep to go to your place of work which adds to the traffic.

The NHA property will not be a central transfer point for LRT1, MRT3 and MRT7? Then reconfigure MRT3 to go to the NHA. Its right beside their depot, so I don't see why this should not be technically possible.

Building above EDSA is thinking in the SHORT TERM. And short term planning leads to problems in the future.

Problems with building above EDSA:
- Constrained space
- Hard to set up intermodal terminals
- Traffic
- No provision for planned future developments

Advantages of NHA
- North Triangle CBD will become a transport oriented development
- Lots of space for development of intermodal transfer points and for the GCT
- Can spur the development of the North Triangle CBD which means more tax revenue for the QC Gov't.

This project entails a big investment, so it is better to think in the Long Term instead of in the Short Term.

Raktak

June 10th, 2009, 03:40 AM

Man! People here are so missing the point. Sheesh! :nuts:

The NHA property does not make sense because it will not provide a central transfer point for LRT1, MRT3 and LRT7. MRT3 terminus will continue to be in the existing North Avenue Station while people still need to walk across Trinoma to get to the NHA lot to get to LRT1 and LRT7, assuming that is where Universal LRT, partially backed by SM Prime, would want the terminus to be.

Again, the whole point of the Grand Central Station is as a transfer point for all three lines, plus MRT9. That is only possible above EDSA beside SM Annex.

As for the proposed business district in QC, do you see the existing MRT3 be at the centre of the Makati CBD or Ortigas CBD? No! They are in the edges and people use feeder transportation systems like buses to go around. That is how it should be, and how its done in similar projects. There is NO VALUE in putting a central terminal that does not include MRT3 in the NHA lot to the proposed QC business district, that may not even materialize in the next few decades! We need that Grand Central Station up and running next year to serve the people that uses it at that time, not when there are colonies on Mars!

One has to look in the long term in planning the Grand Central Station. The NHA property is the best location because not only does it brings the 3 rail lines together but also has the existing facilities for Bus, Jeepney and taxi terminals. Hence, it can really be called Grand Central Station. It will also spur the growth of the QC business district. We dont have to wait for a long time for "Colonies on Mars". Having 3 lines near the center of the business district will be the selling factor of QC CBD. Makati CBD or Ortigas CBD should not be a benchmark for QC CBD, it needs to offer more so that companies will transfer.

If the GCS is built in front of SM annex, that section of Edsa will be covered which will make it dark and will have poor ventilation. And with all the buses plying that route, I just cant imagine the pollution at the at grade section. Not really the type of environment you want where people would be walking into. Traffic management will be a mess. Even without the station there, it is already traffic. With the GCS above edsa, car lanes will be sacrifice for post of the structure resulting in bottlenecks. Buses, jeeps, and taxis will be loading and unloading. Traffic nightmare.

Im just hoping that when they do the Grand Central Station at the NHA property, they will also move the MRT3 north station. They were planing to move it anyways (if GCS was in front of annex) so they should put it nearer to the other stations.

SM was the big beneficiary of the GCS and it doesnt even want to commit money to it. I say forget them. Transfer it to NHA property where there can be more beneficiary (SM, AYALA, and QC CBD).

Manila-X

June 10th, 2009, 04:03 AM

yhuanista07

June 10th, 2009, 04:04 AM

Balintawak station...

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/yhuan07/jjoijo.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/yhuan07/nnlm.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/yhuan07/zmclaf.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/yhuan07/hjhbjk.jpg

:nuts:?????

Ecija

June 10th, 2009, 04:06 AM

^^Galing naman!:cheers:

happosai

June 10th, 2009, 04:19 AM

Balintawak station...

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/yhuan07/hjhbjk.jpg
:nuts:?????

Nice rendering.. Isama mo naman yung logo ng LRTA... :lol::lol:

Planning Democracy

June 10th, 2009, 04:21 AM

I don't think Makati is car oriented. Alot of pedestrian activity happening. Plus the number of overpass and underpass.

Actually it's car oriented, the walkways and underpasses were built after the fact. There are no signs that there were provisions for mass transport when Makati was developed, although when they built the MRT there seemed to have been plans to do so as evidenced by the spur going to Ayala Ave near the Ayala Station.

happosai

June 10th, 2009, 04:27 AM

Actually it's car oriented, the walkways and underpasses were built after the fact. There are no signs that there were provisions for mass transport when Makati was developed, although when they built the MRT there seemed to have been plans to do so as evidenced by the spur going to Ayala Ave near the Ayala Station.

^^Hindi rin car oriented ang makati. Sa mahal ba naman ng parking fees sa makati eh magdala ka pa kaya ng kotse? Ang mahal na nga ng gasolina, trapik pa at idagdag mo pa ang pambayad sa parking lot. Lugi ka. Mas mainam na mag LRT or MRT ka. :lol::lol:

Manila-X

June 10th, 2009, 04:40 AM

Actually it's car oriented, the walkways and underpasses were built after the fact. There are no signs that there were provisions for mass transport when Makati was developed, although when they built the MRT there seemed to have been plans to do so as evidenced by the spur going to Ayala Ave near the Ayala Station.

But still Makati has a high pedestrian activity. The Fort to me is more car oriented than Makati.

Those working in Makati are still fortunate with 2 MRT stops.

happosai

June 10th, 2009, 04:45 AM

^^Make that 3 stops. Buendia, Ayala and Magallanes.

Planning Democracy

June 10th, 2009, 04:53 AM

But still Makati has a high pedestrian activity. The Fort to me is more car oriented than Makati.

Those working in Makati are still fortunate with 2 MRT stops.

Yes, no questioning that. But my point is that it was originally developed for access through the use of cars, and then they applied solutions such as the walkways to alleviate problems caused by the original design.

The North Triangle development however, can be designed as a TOD from the start, with the GCT as a probable focal point for access, wherein you don't have to walk great distances or take a jeep or taxi to get to a building within the development.

PasigGuy

June 10th, 2009, 04:55 AM

But still Makati has a high pedestrian activity. The Fort to me is more car oriented than Makati.

Those working in Makati are still fortunate with 2 MRT stops.

...Makati has 2 stops but these are not designed to accommodate huge volume of passengers that use these stations. esp during rush hours. The same situation in Taft Stn. Dapat palaparin ang walk-ways, ticket booths and foot bridges para may legspace pa ang mga tao...

Sky Harbor

June 10th, 2009, 05:09 AM

^^Make that 3 stops. Buendia, Ayala and Magallanes.

You mean four: Guadalupe, Buendia, Ayala and Magallanes.

PasigGuy

June 10th, 2009, 05:38 AM

You mean four: Guadalupe, Buendia, Ayala and Magallanes.

2 stations lang sa Makati CBD.

queetz@home

June 10th, 2009, 05:39 AM

No, that is not how it should be. Just because Makati and Ortigas were built that way doesn't mean that it should always be that way.

Makati and Ortigas CBDs are car oriented. Too much traffic and commuting is inconvenient. From the MRT stations you have to take a bus, taxi, or jeep to go to your place of work which adds to the traffic.

The NHA property will not be a central transfer point for LRT1, MRT3 and MRT7? Then reconfigure MRT3 to go to the NHA. Its right beside their depot, so I don't see why this should not be technically possible.

Building above EDSA is thinking in the SHORT TERM. And short term planning leads to problems in the future.

Problems with building above EDSA:
- Constrained space
- Hard to set up intermodal terminals
- Traffic
- No provision for planned future developments

Advantages of NHA
- North Triangle CBD will become a transport oriented development
- Lots of space for development of intermodal transfer points and for the GCT
- Can spur the development of the North Triangle CBD which means more tax revenue for the QC Gov't.

This project entails a big investment, so it is better to think in the Long Term instead of in the Short Term.

You have got to be kidding me? You want long term? Then punch a hole on the MRT3 guildway and make it loop on that North Triangle CBD, as well as punch holes on the guideways beside Ortigas and Makati (which they already have some preliminary pathway for this one btw). But putting it on the middle of nowhere just because Ayala wants to have full monopoly of the station terminus with no regard to the people that will actually use it??? WTF!!!!

And yes, buses and other modes, including jeepneys (in North America, the equivalent are "community shuttles"...they even have it in Simcity 4), have their role in urban transportation...feeder systems to a main artery, in this case the MRT/LRT lines. And they are doing their job well in Ortigas and Makati. No reason why QC CBD would be no different, especially given the sprawly nature of QC itself with their large lots and suburban like roadways.

I know what long term is, MRT9 is long term, how will you connect that one now if the Grand Central Station is in NHA??? DId you think about that??? So if you put it in NHA, people will walk far away, across Trinoma, both short term and long term, for those coming from MRT3.

Im just hoping that when they do the Grand Central Station at the NHA property, they will also move the MRT3 north station. They were planing to move it anyways (if GCS was in front of annex) so they should put it nearer to the other stations.

This is the most contentious issue to begin with, the terminus of MRT3. And it would be against Ayala's best interest to extend MRT3, for one its technically impossible and two, they will loose the advantage of people travelling through Trinoma the same way people travel through Gateway between LRT2 and MRT3 in Cubao! Who do you think instigated this proposal? The Vice President? I don't bloody think so.

Let me remind you all that the original plan of LRT1 is to have a terminus North Avenue Station beside MRT3, though they will be connected via walkway (ignore the orange part).

http://i41.tinypic.com/2llh6x5.jpg

LRT7 could still have a common station with LRT1 on the SM Annex where LRT7 terminus would be, as shown in their rendering (substitute MRT3 with LRT1)

http://www.ulc.com.ph/Images/Stn1-Sec.jpg

But some really smart guy last November thought of simply putting the LRT1 terminus together with the LRT7 terminus, as well as the MRT3 terminus by extending them all to one building.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r238/avidtraveler/MRT_LRTgrandcentralstation3.jpg

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r238/avidtraveler/MRT_LRTgrandcentralstation2.jpg

This is what we want to end, ladies and gentlemen!

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/365/600x600/34/iblog505.jpg?et=Kx2fGAMM1EKIf9dq0bXywA&nmid=241837487

And it will only happen if we move the terminus away from MRT3 North Avenue Station to a new Grand Central Station. And the only way this will happen is to extend it to SM Annex. And if it does not happen, anyone who wants to get on board MRT3 from the other two lines, three if you think long term....that crowded picture is nothing compared to what will happen next and getting there involving a ridiculous long walk across Ayala's mall will be a bitch in the long term!!!! :mad2:

Sky Harbor

June 10th, 2009, 05:40 AM

2 stations lang sa Makati CBD.

Magallanes is in San Lorenzo, and San Lorenzo is part of the Makati CBD. So in effect, there are three. :lol:

richard24

June 10th, 2009, 06:00 AM

....that crowded picture is nothing compared to what will happen next and getting there involving a ridiculous long walk across Ayala's mall will be a bitch in the long term!!!! :mad2:

exactly why the Ayala proposal is a bit off. the Ayala proposal is just pure business, nothing in mind for the passengers. :ohno: (especially IF they're not thinking of extending or even changing the north ave station) IF they are going to extend it then GOOD. better. :)

yes its long term.... a long term problem like the MRT3 itself with its small stations and small trains. It still doesnt address the problem of lack of trains.

Planning Democracy

June 10th, 2009, 06:36 AM

You have got to be kidding me? You want long term? Then punch a hole on the MRT3 guildway and make it loop on that North Triangle CBD, as well as punch holes on the guideways beside Ortigas and Makati (which they already have some preliminary pathway for this one btw). But putting it on the middle of nowhere just because Ayala wants to have full monopoly of the station terminus with no regard to the people that will actually use it??? WTF!!!!

And yes, buses and other modes, including jeepneys (in North America, the equivalent are "community shuttles"...they even have it in Simcity 4), have their role in urban transportation...feeder systems to a main artery, in this case the MRT/LRT lines. And they are doing their job well in Ortigas and Makati. No reason why QC CBD would be no different, especially given the sprawly nature of QC itself with their large lots and suburban like roadways.

I know what long term is, MRT9 is long term, how will you connect that one now if the Grand Central Station is in NHA??? DId you think about that??? So if you put it in NHA, people will walk far away, across Trinoma, both short term and long term, for those coming from MRT3.

This is the most contentious issue to begin with, the terminus of MRT3. And it would be against Ayala's best interest to extend MRT3, for one its technically impossible and two, they will loose the advantage of people travelling through Trinoma the same way people travel through Gateway between LRT2 and MRT3 in Cubao! Who do you think instigated this proposal? The Vice President? I don't bloody think so.

Let me remind you all that the original plan of LRT1 is to have a terminus North Avenue Station beside MRT3, though they will be connected via walkway (ignore the orange part).

http://i41.tinypic.com/2llh6x5.jpg

LRT7 could still have a common station with LRT1 on the SM Annex where LRT7 terminus would be, as shown in their rendering (substitute MRT3 with LRT1)

http://www.ulc.com.ph/Images/Stn1-Sec.jpg

But some really smart guy last November thought of simply putting the LRT1 terminus together with the LRT7 terminus, as well as the MRT3 terminus by extending them all to one building.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r238/avidtraveler/MRT_LRTgrandcentralstation3.jpg

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r238/avidtraveler/MRT_LRTgrandcentralstation2.jpg

This is what we want to end, ladies and gentlemen!

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/365/600x600/34/iblog505.jpg?et=Kx2fGAMM1EKIf9dq0bXywA&nmid=241837487

And it will only happen if we move the terminus away from MRT3 North Avenue Station to a new Grand Central Station. And the only way this will happen is to extend it to SM Annex. And if it does not happen, anyone who wants to get on board MRT3 from the other two lines, three if you think long term....that crowded picture is nothing compared to what will happen next and getting there involving a ridiculous long walk across Ayala's mall will be a bitch in the long term!!!! :mad2:

The purpose is not for Ayala to have a monopoly of the terminus, but in preparation for the development of the North Triangle CBD.

A possible solution to the North Avenue station problem could be that the North Ave station can be removed and then MRT3 would end at the GCT, or as you said, maybe it can be extended to loop towards the GCT in the NHA property.

One of the potential problems if you build the GCT above EDSA is that buses, jeepneys, and taxis will line up under the station and cause traffic. Designers will have a lot more leeway for intermodal transfers if this was built on the NHA property.

For MRT 9, a junction can be built to connect to the LRT1 track leading to the GCT in NHA. That’s one possible solution.

Don’t they call jeepneys, “Jitneys” in NORTH AMERICA? Um, oh yeah, they’re called “Community Shuttles” because that’s what SIMCITY 4 calls them. :lol:

pi_malejana

June 10th, 2009, 06:49 AM

^^ i think jitney is a bus...

Planning Democracy

June 10th, 2009, 07:00 AM

^^ i think jitney is a bus...

Mini bus of sorts, look it up, service is just like the jeepney, "door to door" convenience.

pi_malejana

June 10th, 2009, 07:06 AM

^^ wiki says it's a shuttle taxi so yeah you're right... may bus company kasi dito may Jitney sa name...:D

leechtat

June 10th, 2009, 07:38 AM

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r238/avidtraveler/MRT_LRTgrandcentralstation3.jpg

^^ i wholly agree with @queetz in this one... the GCT should be at that part of EDSA, since 1) it has enough space to act as terminus for the 4 stations and 2) it will be more convenient for passengers who shall use the interchange... i for one do not like to walk great distances just to change lines...

the question about co2 emissions (pollutants) trapped in the GCT can easily be solved.. i.e. in bkk, siam paragon interchange employs this same design for the terminal, and it did not feel like its overtly polluted that you can no longer breathe.

as for the bus terminals, bus depots connecting to balintawak station can be constructed for northbound (nlex) passengers.. all other bus interchange are already accessible through the edsa plying buses... taxis, jeepneys are walking distance in the sm north and trinoma depots.

also, relocating already constructed stations will inflate the budget, which will burden the consumers eventually... the cost for such relocation may be better allocated for the acquisition of new trains and automated ticketing systems...

let's just face the fact that the mrt connecting the future qc-cbd will never be as convenient, like the raffles station in singapore. there will be 3 stations for the qc-cbd anyways (north, gma-kamuning, quezon ave), so the passenger can conveniently choose where to disembark...

Planning Democracy

June 10th, 2009, 08:23 AM

^^ @leechtat

1) it has enough space to act as terminus for the 4 stations
- there is enough space, but there is more space at the NHA property allowing for more design freedom, such as integrating it with intermodal transfer stations so that passengers can just go down and ride the bus or jeep without them having to wait along EDSA.

2) it will be more convenient for passengers who shall use the interchange... i for one do not like to walk great distances just to change lines...
- the GCT, if it is to be built on the NHA property, should integrate all the lines, thus MRT3 should be extended to GCT or North Ave station removed and have MRT3 end at GCT. Thus, no walking or being forced to go through Trinoma.

3) also, relocating already constructed stations will inflate the budget, which will burden the consumers eventually... the cost for such relocation may be better allocated for the acquisition of new trains and automated ticketing systems...

- yes it will. This is a big factor against it. But personally I would rather have this than have a big monolith of a station above EDSA ala EDSA Crossing or Cubao. The difference this time is, we have a choice, above a busy highway again or in a nearby empty lot.

4) let's just face the fact that the mrt connecting the future qc-cbd will never be as convenient, like the raffles station in singapore. there will be 3 stations for the qc-cbd anyways (north, gma-kamuning, quezon ave), so the passenger can conveniently choose where to disembark...

- qc-cbd isn’t developed yet, so why not make it as convenient while we still have the chance?

csc36869

June 10th, 2009, 11:59 AM

it still unconfortable for passengers .. nako po, mahabang lakaran ito going to sm north.. sna equal to both malls. or rather put it in the dotc planned nlng, gawin nlng condo or mix used complex ung NHA site .. o kaya condo for the poor nlng..

gaano ba kalayo ang lalakaran ng commuter if ever na dun sa NHA properties itatayo ang GCT? saka lahat ba ng commuter pgkababa ng mrt pupunta lahat sa SM north? konti sacrifice naman and besides walking is good your health.

csc36869

June 10th, 2009, 12:02 PM

One has to look in the long term in planning the Grand Central Station. The NHA property is the best location because not only does it brings the 3 rail lines together but also has the existing facilities for Bus, Jeepney and taxi terminals. Hence, it can really be called Grand Central Station. It will also spur the growth of the QC business district. We dont have to wait for a long time for "Colonies on Mars". Having 3 lines near the center of the business district will be the selling factor of QC CBD. Makati CBD or Ortigas CBD should not be a benchmark for QC CBD, it needs to offer more so that companies will transfer.

If the GCS is built in front of SM annex, that section of Edsa will be covered which will make it dark and will have poor ventilation. And with all the buses plying that route, I just cant imagine the pollution at the at grade section. Not really the type of environment you want where people would be walking into. Traffic management will be a mess. Even without the station there, it is already traffic. With the GCS above edsa, car lanes will be sacrifice for post of the structure resulting in bottlenecks. Buses, jeeps, and taxis will be loading and unloading. Traffic nightmare.

Im just hoping that when they do the Grand Central Station at the NHA property, they will also move the MRT3 north station. They were planing to move it anyways (if GCS was in front of annex) so they should put it nearer to the other stations.

SM was the big beneficiary of the GCS and it doesnt even want to commit money to it. I say forget them. Transfer it to NHA property where there can be more beneficiary (SM, AYALA, and QC CBD).

AGREE!!

RonnieR

June 10th, 2009, 12:32 PM

You mean four: Guadalupe, Buendia, Ayala and Magallanes.

Makati is so lucky, being serviced by 4 MRT stations...2 in CBD. Pasig has two - Santolan and Ortigas. Mandaluyong has 2, Boni and Shaw. Quezon City has several stations, too. Alabang has none...Eastwood, when??? these are major commercial and residential areas, too.

Sky Harbor

June 10th, 2009, 12:54 PM

^^ Alabang is already served by two PNR stations. That should be enough, especially with the rehabilitation of the PNR network and the new DMUs.

Eastwood, on the other hand, should be served by a BRT system on C-5, if and when it ever comes to reality.

leechtat

June 10th, 2009, 04:04 PM

in response to @democracy:

1)- there is enough space, but there is more space at the NHA property allowing for more design freedom, such as integrating it with intermodal transfer stations so that passengers can just go down and ride the bus or jeep without them having to wait along EDSA.

^^ true.. i agree on that more space = more design freedom... but wouldn't it be more profitable for NHA to sell the future qc-cbd lots to conglomerates and property developers? more so if those companies decide to build a corporate office on that lot, wouldn't a corporate/commercial building generate more jobs than a costly grand central station?

also, as all may know, passengers can just ride the jeepneys and taxi's at the trinoma and sm north edsa depots near the proposed site of the GCT.. it is already operational... the buses i have said is plying edsa until monumento.. there are also several existing bus stations near the train stations, i.e. gma-kamuning, cubao, etc..

2)- the GCT, if it is to be built on the NHA property, should integrate all the lines, thus MRT3 should be extended to GCT or North Ave station removed and have MRT3 end at GCT. Thus, no walking or being forced to go through Trinoma.

^^ we know that already. however, the current site for the proposed GCT is just as convenient as the now proposed NHA site... in any case, the gct can be connected to both malls via sky walks... so now, the argument should be about cost... which station shall provide the a faster roi?

3)- yes it will. This is a big factor against it. But personally I would rather have this than have a big monolith of a station above EDSA ala EDSA Crossing or Cubao. The difference this time is, we have a choice, above a busy highway again or in a nearby empty lot.

^^ again, opportunity costs will be lost for such grandiose GCT... i will only favor this move if the lines will be underground not at grade... why? again, the number of valuable commercial lots will lessen to pave way for the nha gct. and would you really like to have elevated rails that will cut through a cbd's skyline?

4)- qc-cbd isn’t developed yet, so why not make it as convenient while we still have the chance?

^^ unless ALI will shell out the money to build the nha gct... it will be highly possible for the gct to be built there...

why not sm and ali share the cost of the gct in the old proposed site? sm will have to shoulder more since it will be physically connected to their mall, while ali, which will have gct connections via skywalk can shoulder less...

Rocco888

June 10th, 2009, 06:35 PM

ruralvillage

June 10th, 2009, 11:14 PM

RP eyes Chinese loan to fund LRT extension (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/11/yehey/business/20090611bus2.html)
Manila Times (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/11/yehey/business/20090611bus2.html)
By Darwin G. Amojelar, Senior Reporter

THE Philippines plans to tap official development assistance (ODA) from Beijing for the proposed extension of the country’s first Light Rail Transit (LRT), the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) said.

In a letter dated May 28, NEDA Director General and Socioeconomic Planning Secretary Ralph Recto told Transport Secretary Leandro Mendoza that “the Chinese [ODA] is the most cost-effective financing source” for the LRT Line 1 South Extension Project.

Recto asked the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) to submit documentation for the Chinese loan.

The Philippines earlier was eyeing a $400-million to $500-million grant from the US Millennium Challenge Corp. (MCC) to partly finance the project.

State-run Light Rail Transit Authority (LRTA) had said the planned extension to Cavite of LRT Line 1 would now cost $1.78 billion, up from the previous $683 million.

“The revised project cost includes the light rail vehicle [LRV] requirements on account of the Line 1 North Extension Project and the System Enhancement Works of the entire line during the 40-year concession period,” LRTA said.

The project aims to extend the existing 15-kilometer LRT 1 by an additional 11.7 kilometers, of which about 10.5 kilometers will be elevated and 1.2 kilometers will be at-grade.

The extension will start from the existing line’s last station at Baclaran and will traverse the cities of Parañaque and Las Piñas in Metro Manila before reaching the municipality of Bacoor, Cavite.

The project will include eight new passenger stations, with provision for two additional stations. It is expected to serve 800,000 passengers a day and cut travel time from Bacoor to Monumento, Caloocan City, to less than an hour.

The project will also involve system enhancement works over the concession period, which would include fleets upgrade, replacement and capacity improvements. A total of 64 LRVs will be added in 2020 and another eight in 2030.

wheel of steel

June 11th, 2009, 01:50 AM

Mithril Cloud

June 11th, 2009, 02:27 AM

wheel of steel

June 11th, 2009, 02:41 AM

This would make the LRT Extension more expensive than Northrail, which Drilon claims to be the world's most expensive railway. :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

Yung mga magagaling dito sa atin, basura actually...

edly

June 11th, 2009, 02:47 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

Yung mga magagaling dito sa atin, basura actually...

Agree with you. Their's are just all talk. no work. :ohno:

happosai

June 11th, 2009, 02:59 AM

Agree with you. Their's are just all talk. no work. :ohno:

^^Di nila gayahin si BF... :D

Manila-X

June 11th, 2009, 03:26 AM

I recently created a thread in the Infrastructure & Mobility section about the widths of metro cars.

Just curious, anyone here knows the width of all three metro cars from LRT 1 & 2 to MRT.

I kinda notice that the metros of both Mexico City and Paris have similar widths to the LRT-1 and MRT. Will either trains fit in these tracks without any clash?

Mexico City Metro
http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/mxc-rrt-fichatecnicaneumatico-crossing-switch_subways-net.jpg

Manila LRT-1
http://www.n-sharyo.co.jp/business/tetsudo/images/zmanira_lrt.jpg

Paris Metro
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Paris-subway-ligne5.jpg/900px-Paris-subway-ligne5.jpg

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 04:49 AM

^^ Mexico City metro trains will not work on LRT track since they use rubber tires, save for Line A, which uses steel wheels.

happosai

June 11th, 2009, 04:54 AM

^^Rubber tires? Di kaya napa flat yan? :lol:

Mithril Cloud

June 11th, 2009, 04:56 AM

Line 2: 3,200mm

From http://www.aplpotencia.com/hrs.pdf

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 05:11 AM

^^Rubber tires? Di kaya napa flat yan? :lol:

They use a special type of track.

happosai

June 11th, 2009, 05:21 AM

They use a special type of track.

^^Kaya pala ang lapad ng riles nila. Smooth siguro takbo nyan. Para ka lang nakasakay sa bus. :lol:

tigidig14

June 11th, 2009, 05:43 AM

^^ Mexico City metro trains will not work on LRT track since they use rubber tires, save for Line A, which uses steel wheels.
tis true, taken 3 weeks ago
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss58/tigsyboy/100_1106-1.jpg

Ecija

June 11th, 2009, 05:52 AM

^^OT: Parang mas grabe ang vandalism sa kanila.

tigidig14

June 11th, 2009, 06:02 AM

ye its like new york but just a tad cleaner
ang daming mga pulubi sa paris na makukulit

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 06:14 AM

^^Kaya pala ang lapad ng riles nila. Smooth siguro takbo nyan. Para ka lang nakasakay sa bus. :lol:

They say that because there's less friction when using rubber tires, rides on those trains are arguably much smoother than on those using steel wheels.

tis true, taken 3 weeks ago
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss58/tigsyboy/100_1106-1.jpg

Tigs, that's Paris, not Mexico City. :lol:

Then again, the only city that completely uses rubber tires on their metro network is Montréal.

tigidig14

June 11th, 2009, 06:33 AM

ay oo nga pala:lol:
i was thinking of a different place when i read your comment, then i saw the pics of that paris train. cost effective ba yang mga train na may gulong, mukhang mapupud agad e at parang and daming gagawing maintenance

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 06:45 AM

^^ They say it's initially more expensive, but less costly to maintain. Only a few lines of the Paris Métro though have rubber tires. :lol:

Waldenstrom

June 11th, 2009, 07:27 AM

AmbutLang

June 11th, 2009, 08:15 AM

I kinda notice that the metros of both Mexico City and Paris have similar widths to the LRT-1 and MRT. Will either trains fit in these tracks without any clash?

Manila LRT-1
http://www.n-sharyo.co.jp/business/tetsudo/images/zmanira_lrt.jpg

Paris Metro
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Paris-subway-ligne5.jpg/900px-Paris-subway-ligne5.jpg

LRT-1 is a short train. Is this the regular length of the train during rush hour? The length of each car is about 45' of 4 pairs. That is about 360' total length. No wonder it is always pack before it makes to the middle run. It looks like our G line in NYC only four cars train of 75' length per car. It is equivalent to NYC lowest riders line.
It helps to add another pair of cars on LRT-1

The Paris transit line third rail have no protection boards. Very dangerous. :ohno:

wheel of steel

June 11th, 2009, 10:36 AM

Line 2: 3,200mm

From http://www.aplpotencia.com/hrs.pdf

LRT2 Trains has one of the best loading gauge in Asia.

stanleymalls

June 11th, 2009, 11:59 AM

^^ Really? Paano nyo po nalaman? :D

barrera_marquez

June 11th, 2009, 12:16 PM

^^ Really? Paano nyo po nalaman? :D

Medyo mataas kasi yung loading gauge niya compared sa ibang trains sa PDF File. Actually, loading gauge defines a standard height and width for railway vehicles and their loads to ensure safe passage through bridges, tunnels and other structures. Meaning yung kayang dalhin ng tren na maximum size ng load na hindi bumabangga sa tulay at tunnels.

Manila-X

June 11th, 2009, 12:40 PM

^^ Mexico City metro trains will not work on LRT track since they use rubber tires, save for Line A, which uses steel wheels.

I was more referring to the width of the cars. LRT-1/MRT, Mexico City Metro and Paris Metro seems to have the same width.

Manila-X

June 11th, 2009, 12:42 PM

^^OT: Parang mas grabe ang vandalism sa kanila.

Rome's subway system is the worst! Much worst than NY

wheel of steel

June 11th, 2009, 03:38 PM

Medyo mataas kasi yung loading gauge niya compared sa ibang trains sa PDF File. Actually, loading gauge defines a standard height and width for railway vehicles and their loads to ensure safe passage through bridges, tunnels and other structures. Meaning yung kayang dalhin ng tren na maximum size ng load na hindi bumabangga sa tulay at tunnels.

Precisely:)

ryanr

June 11th, 2009, 04:31 PM

tis true, taken 3 weeks ago
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss58/tigsyboy/100_1106-1.jpg

I like the sound that these rubber tire trains make...it makes a distinct sound that I still remember. This is line 1 in Paris, am i right?

tigidig14

June 11th, 2009, 04:43 PM

i dont know, but its the line that runs through champs ellyse

AmbutLang

June 11th, 2009, 05:19 PM

For those who wants to know.

This is the site of various NYC transit subway yards.

http://www.nycsubway.org/cars/yards.html

The Coney Island Yard is the main yard for the alphabet trains, while the Weschester Yard is for the number lines trains.

Rome's subway system is the worst! Much worst than NY

This does not hold true now. The uniform police/plain cloth police are very active in arresting paint vandalizer to transit properties trains or facilities. Passenger trains does not leave the yards if graffiti paint markings is visible on the exteriors. The interiors will be removed within 48 hours. The city created a civil court branch just for subway infractions.

The graffiti vandalizers will have schedule cleaning on the weekend/s. depending how big the area they painted on the train. They will be giving safety equipments like tivex suit coverall, safety glasses, hard hat with face sheild, respirators, pairs of latex and rubber gloves with a tooth brush and graffiti remover chemicals to remove the paint. :bash::ohno: With policemen on overtime watching them work. :lol:

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 06:20 PM

i dont know, but its the line that runs through champs ellyse

Ryan's right. :D

ArkiLurker

June 12th, 2009, 03:31 AM

roma metro is really filthy. been there last year. parang squatter ichura nung mga stations ghettong ghetto

cq40

June 12th, 2009, 03:52 AM

neil02

June 12th, 2009, 05:13 AM

kuha ko kahapon
http://i43.tinypic.com/nb9mac.jpg

happosai

June 12th, 2009, 05:24 AM

edly

June 12th, 2009, 08:29 AM

roma metro is really filthy. been there last year. parang squatter ichura nung mga stations ghettong ghetto

here's one, courtesy of Urbanrail.net:

http://urbanrail.net/eu/rom/fotos/B-Colosseo1.jpg

Mithril Cloud

June 12th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Wow, it's like the latter part of Batman Begins.

jafiti

June 12th, 2009, 01:26 PM

jafiti

June 12th, 2009, 01:31 PM

You mean four: Guadalupe, Buendia, Ayala and Magallanes.

Plus Buendia, Pasay Road and EDSA of PNR. Yun nga lang, lahat ng stations nasa gilid ng Makati Business District...

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Eastwood? Maybe the Pasig River Ferry...

Sir Jaime, the ferry doesn't reach Quezon City. It only goes as far as Pasig.

AmbutLang

June 13th, 2009, 12:23 AM

Mayron ba internet site ang mga train? schedules and and service advisories? Example sa LRT or MRT and others? Like what the MTA - NYC transit do? The site is http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/schemain.htm

barrera_marquez

June 13th, 2009, 01:57 AM

^^Panung hindi bumabangga sa tulay at tunnels?

Yan din ba reason kung bakit binawasan ang platform ng LRT1?

Yung pinakamalaking bagahe na kayang dalhin ng tren na hindi bumabangga sa mga tulay at lusutan sa ilalim ng lupa.

Halimbawa, sa PNR, ang pinakamababang tulay nito ay may taas na 5.00 metro at ang pinakamakitid na lusutan ay may lapad na 3 metro. Ito ang tinatawag na loading gauge ng tren, hindi pwedeng may bagaheng may lumampas dito na dadalhin ng tren kundi magkakaroon tayo ng kalat.

happosai

June 13th, 2009, 03:33 AM

barrera_marquez

June 13th, 2009, 07:46 AM

wheel of steel

June 13th, 2009, 08:01 AM

Yung pinakamalaking bagahe na kayang dalhin ng tren na hindi bumabangga sa mga tulay at lusutan sa ilalim ng lupa.

Halimbawa, sa PNR, ang pinakamababang tulay nito ay may taas na 5.00 metro at ang pinakamakitid na lusutan ay may lapad na 3 metro. Ito ang tinatawag na loading gauge ng tren, hindi pwedeng may bagaheng may lumampas dito na dadalhin ng tren kundi magkakaroon tayo ng kalat.

Thats correct Marco. Actually, may sobra ng konti for allowances but some system in the world really very strict in impmenting loading guage. Their tunnels are just enough to allow their trains to get in. If you extend your body a few centemeters from the train, you would probably get hit by the sides of the tunnel.

PNR loading can accodmodate double decker coach like ones in Japan. If we implement standard gauge, we can allow bigger loading gauges.

barrera_marquez

June 13th, 2009, 08:04 AM

Thats correct Marco. Actually, may sobra ng konti for allowances but some system in the world really very strict in impmenting loading guage. Their tunnels are just enough to allow their trains to get in. If you extend your body a few centemeters from the train, you would probably get hit by the sides of the tunnel.

PNR loading can accodmodate double decker coach like ones in Japan. If we implement standard gauge, we can allow bigger loading gauges.

Kaya iyan sa Northrail, standard gauge doon e.

wheel of steel

June 13th, 2009, 08:06 AM

^^IC... Sa PNR puwede pang abutin ang maximum load since puwede dumaan ang mga cargo trains dyan. Pero sa LRT2, puro pessenger lang naman ang karga ng tren. Or is there a plan to link LRT2 to North Harbor?

You are correct. Kaya yung LRT infrastructure madaling gawin kasi light lang ang mga loads nyan. Mainly passenger coaches. Sa Northrail, mabigat ang load because they will allow locomotives to operate. Locomotives alone weight over 100 tons. Passenger coaches like LRT2 are lighter by say 25% of locomotives loads.

In constructing viaducts, they will have to consider all this factors. We can't be surprise why it takes too long to build a heavy railway viaduct (Northrail) than an LRTs.

manchowyin

June 13th, 2009, 08:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stq4_xvNqhA&feature=channel_page

stq4_xvNqhA&hl=en&fs=1&

pi_malejana

June 13th, 2009, 08:47 AM

^^ thank you very much...:okay:

i think we saw a glimpse of how the stations will look like... 54-57 min. mark...

kaelthas18

June 13th, 2009, 08:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stq4_xvNqhA&feature=channel_page

stq4_xvNqhA&hl=en&fs=1&

aba... bongga si madam president. good job madam.. sana noon pa po na start yan para may mrt 7 na po kayo iniinspect ngayon, well anyway.. tuloy tuloy sa progresso..

manchowyin

June 13th, 2009, 08:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdV8yPiRHpc

DdV8yPiRHpc

Dreamtofly

June 13th, 2009, 09:03 AM

Bilib talaga ako sa kay PGMA. ganyan dapat ang president natin lagi. Babae pero matatag. Mabuhay ka PGMA

kiretoce

June 13th, 2009, 09:15 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stq4_xvNqhA&feature=channel_page

stq4_xvNqhA&hl=en&fs=1&

Wouldn't it be hella funny if they caught it on film when Madam President's ticket gets jammed in the booth and didn't let her go through the turnstile? :lol:

ruralvillage

June 13th, 2009, 09:21 AM

Govt taps consultant for MRT trains (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/13/yehey/business/20090613bus6.html)
Manila Times (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/13/yehey/business/20090613bus6.html)

THE Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is eyeing a consultant in the procurement of new trains for the Metro Rail Transit Line 3 capacity expansion.

The DOTC said the consultant is immediately needed for the procurement of additional trains to augment system capacity to decongest MRT 3.

Due to rising fuel prices—which peaked during the third quarter last year—many private-car owners were forced to take public transportation, especially for trips across Metro Manila.

“The current peak hour capacity has already exceeded the 23,640 passengers per peak hour direction (pphpd) mark while the daily ridership has already breached the 500,000 plateau a number of times. The implementation of programs to address safety concerns due to unprecedented increase in passengers [is already needed],” the DOTC said.

The plan to tap a consultant came on the heels of government’s acquisition of a 75-percent stake in MRT 3 from Metro Rail Transit Corp. (MRTC).

MRTC is a consortium led by the Sobrepeña family’s Filipino-Estate Management. Other investors are Ayala Land Inc., Anglo-Philippine Holdings Corp., Ramcar Inc. and Greenfield Development Corp.

Earlier, the government said it cannot procure additional trains for MRT 3 because MRTC has the right of first refusal under the lease contract.

The DOTC plans to procure 72 light rail vehicles (LRVs) that would be financed by official development assistance (ODA).

The transport department plans to buy cars with three minutes headway or four-car trains with 2.5 minutes headway, each of which costs $3 million.

At present, MRT 3 uses three-car trains with three minutes headway. The additional trains are expected to be operational before 2012.
--Darwin G. Amojelar

adgaps

June 13th, 2009, 09:22 AM

"slow men at work" daw sabi dun sa second vid..:lol::lol:

anyway, usage error lang naman yun... pero ang totoo, mabilis talaga ang construction nila... :cheers:

teka, san ba yung pinakita dun sa 1st vid na renders ba yun? yung board kung saan nakalagay yung details ng project?

pi_malejana

June 13th, 2009, 09:27 AM

^^ siguro sinetup lang yan jan kasi dumating sa madam president..

kung titignang maigi, para ding ung ibang mga LRT stations ang style...

manchowyin

June 13th, 2009, 12:53 PM

http://www.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2000835&Itemid=2

Making an onsite inspection of the ongoing construction of the Light Rail Transit 1 (LRT1) North Extension last night, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo expressed satisfaction over the progress of the project.

When completed, the P6.3-billion project will close the MRT 3-LRT loop on Edsa, between Monumento in Balintawak, Caloocan City, and North Avenue, Quezon City.

The construction of the project had suffered a four-month setback because of delays encountered by the contractor in securing the relevant construction permits from local government units (LGUs) in the areas traversed by the light railway line.

The LRT1 is scheduled to be finished in Jan. 2010 while commercial operation is set for the following month.

LRTA Administrator Melquiades Robles informed the President that an additional P400 million would be needed to construct an elevated common terminal for LRT1 North Extension, MRT 3 and the soon-to-rise LRT 7 (from Bulacan crossing Commonwealth Avenue).

She asked Robles to follow up his request for additional funds with Budget Secretary Andaya.

The President was met at the construction site by Quezon City Mayor Feliciano Belmonte, PNP-NCR Chief Roberto Rosales and Robles, among others.

The President expressed elation upon being informed that some displaced overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) have been hired by DMCI, the contractor of LRT1.

Roberto Puwaw, 33, an electronics technician from the DMCI project in Dubai, lost his job when the company’s overseas project was completed. But Puwaw was called back by DMCI to help out as day supervisor in the construction of the LRT 1 North Extension project.

Cris Ibarra, 43, a civil engineer, had worked in several government projects including those under the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH). His latest job was with DMCI’s Boracay Hotel in Aklan, but his employment ended with the completion of the project.

The President talked to Puwaw and Ibarra both of whom thanked her profusely for their new employment.

Mall-goers and passersby at the Munoz site of the LRT1 waited for the President, who arrived shortly after 10 p.m. She was briefed on the status of the project by Robles. After the briefing, she headed for the MRT North Avenue station where she boarded a night train together with “graveyard shift” workers in various establishments in Metro Manila.

During the train ride, the President was briefed by MRT Corp. General Manager Reynaldo Berroya on the extended operating hours of the trains.

The President had directed the Light Rail Transit Authority (LRTA) to operate its trains on a 24-hour basis for the benefit of night shift workers including call center agents, security guards and hospital employees.

Call center agents, who were waiting for their ride at the MRT3 terminals, waved at her as her train passed by. (PNA)

manchowyin

June 13th, 2009, 12:56 PM

http://www.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2000834&Itemid=2

The construction of the Light Rail Transit 1 (LRT1) North Extension—from Monumento in Caloocan City to North EDSA in Quezon City—is a “debut for local contractors in building major rail infrastructure.”

This was the assessment of LRT Administrator Melquiades Robles who said that being funded by the General Appropriations Act; the law requires that the project should be bid out to local contractors, which LRT did.

From the original P6.3 billion, the budget had to be increased to P6.7 billion because of the new requirement for a common (elevated) terminal for the LRT1 Extension, MRT3 and the soon-to-rise LRT7 (from Bulacan crossing Commonwealth Avenue) he said.

But unlike the LRT1 North Extension, the construction of LRT 7 will be placed under the jurisdiction of the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC), which will bid out the project, Robles said.

Robles informed President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who inspected the project development last night, that construction will be completed in 203 days (from June 12) or in January 2010.

The President originally scheduled its completion in Dec. 2009 but because of delays in obtaining local permits, the project was delayed by four months, Robles told the President.

He said commercial operation of LRT1 will start in Feb. 2010 — minus the common terminal at North EDSA.

Robles said he and the local contractors of LRT 1 Extension -- DM Consunji and First Balfours -- are happy that finally a rail project has been awarded to local contractors, thus giving them a chance to showcase their expertise and capability to handle such big ticket projects.

Most big infrastructure projects are foreign-funded and are awarded to foreign contractors who tie up with local contractors (as their subcontractors). Often, it is the foreign contractors that get the credit for the project.

“At last, here is a chance for the local contractors to show to the world that they, too, are qualified and capable to handle such big responsibilities even outperforming their foreign counterparts,” Robles said.

The LRT, he said, has set the record as the rail project of its magnitude to be completed in one year. “If it weren’t for the delays in the release of local permits, we could have scheduled the commercial run even before Dec. 2010,” he added.

On the additional funding requirement for the common terminal area, the President instructed Robles to follow up his request with Budget Secretary Rolando Andaya. (PND)

happosai

June 13th, 2009, 01:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stq4_xvNqhA&feature=channel_page

stq4_xvNqhA&hl=en&fs=1&

^^Bonzai... I mean.. Banzai!!! :lol::lol: Galing!!

boom_box

June 13th, 2009, 02:30 PM

^^ pasaway din si madame GMA... ayaw mag suot ng High visible clothes... hehehe.. :lol:

kennethologist

June 13th, 2009, 03:25 PM

Free MRT-3 Rides!!! How?

So Independence day ngayon, like every year, during peak hours, MRT-3 goes free! All stations go, no tickets, you go straight to the turnstiles. They did this this morning, 7AM-9AM i think, I AM NOT REALLY SURE BUT.... i have a feeling they will do this again around 5-7PM it's the 2nd peak hour of the day. Yippee! Hehe

they did... bibili sana ako ng stored value... nagtaka ako there isnt any peeps at the counter so i thought sarado ang line... sabay sigaw ang guard: "Happy Independece Day!... Libreng Sakay!" ... FUN!

queetz@home

June 13th, 2009, 05:29 PM

oreotm

June 13th, 2009, 06:30 PM

^^ i think if that happens mas lalong mahirap imagine starting from monumento to taft pano pag rush hours?? kawawa nmn ung mga nasa gitnang stations kc sa start palang ng line puno na..... kahit pa sabihing madaming rail cars....

Sky Harbor

June 13th, 2009, 06:34 PM

^^ Circle lines can always have trains running either the whole line or segments of a whole line. Rapid trains can also bypass certain stations. The Yamanote Line in Tokyo, which is a circle line, works that way.

oreotm

June 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM

^^ eh dba po ung station ng lrt1 sa taft is not yet the end of the track?? pede po bang iconnect ang mrt3 sa lrt 1 kahit ung station ng lrt1 sa taft eh ndi pa ung dulo??

evo_Sieg

June 13th, 2009, 07:45 PM

kaya pala saksakan ng traffic dyan nung Friday night. buti na lang Northbound kami. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stq4_xvNqhA&feature=channel_page

stq4_xvNqhA&hl=en&fs=1&

barrera_marquez

June 14th, 2009, 12:08 AM

Saan ba yang pinuntahan ni Madam President? Pupuntahan ko kasi curious ako sa tinitingnan niyang countdown e. At saka by the way, where is Mayor Echiverri that time?

flip2_0

June 14th, 2009, 12:51 AM

Saan ba yang pinuntahan ni Madam President? Pupuntahan ko kasi curious ako sa tinitingnan niyang countdown e. At saka by the way, where is Mayor Echiverri that time?

In front of Waltermart Munoz, notice the community mall logo at the upper right hand of the video, between 0:23-0:26.

kaelthas18

June 14th, 2009, 03:18 AM

Saan ba yang pinuntahan ni Madam President? Pupuntahan ko kasi curious ako sa tinitingnan niyang countdown e. At saka by the way, where is Mayor Echiverri that time?

hndi yan ssipot dyan,kasi part of QC yan.. at saka diba galit galit ang LRTa sa Mayor na yan dahil sa pambblackmail nya na ayaw nya bgyan ng building permit ung LRT dhil di daw ittayo ung Bagong Barrio . kaya aun na move tuloy ang target opening date.. ampness kasi eh..:ohno:

Sky Harbor

June 14th, 2009, 05:26 AM

^^ eh dba po ung station ng lrt1 sa taft is not yet the end of the track?? pede po bang iconnect ang mrt3 sa lrt 1 kahit ung station ng lrt1 sa taft eh ndi pa ung dulo??

Simple: put the stations underground and unify them. It's costly, but more efficient in the long run.

kennethologist

June 14th, 2009, 06:24 AM

kaya pala saksakan ng traffic dyan nung Friday night. buti na lang Northbound kami. :P

I just hope she gets to ride the trains the way commoners do... :lol: ya know... the siksikans and everything :lol:

kaelthas18

June 14th, 2009, 09:56 AM

I just hope she gets to ride the trains the way commoners do... :lol: ya know... the siksikans and everything :lol:

haha.. she doesn't need to ride mrt na kasi may helicopter na sya..:lol:

barrera_marquez

June 14th, 2009, 09:58 AM

hndi yan ssipot dyan,kasi part of QC yan.. at saka diba galit galit ang LRTa sa Mayor na yan dahil sa pambblackmail nya na ayaw nya bgyan ng building permit ung LRT dhil di daw ittayo ung Bagong Barrio . kaya aun na move tuloy ang target opening date.. ampness kasi eh..:ohno:

Ganoon?! :lol:

At least tuloy na siya kasi the government will be the one who will shoulder it.

Nagbabangayan pa rin pala sila, para silang bata.

kaelthas18

June 14th, 2009, 10:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdV8yPiRHpc

DdV8yPiRHpc
video posted by holaa802 in Youtube

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video posted by holaa802 in Youtube

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video posted by holaa802 in Youtube

nakita ko ito sa youtube sa singapore interchange ng LRT at MRT nila.. ung LRT nila maliit at tlgang LIGHT

pBZPS2fE3YE
video posted by vincentyeo88 in Youtube

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 10:22 AM

nakita ko ito sa youtube sa singapore interchange ng LRT at MRT nila.. ung LRT nila maliit at tlgang LIGHT

pBZPS2fE3YE
video posted by vincentyeo88 in Youtube

I think their LRT only provides shuttle service between the local MRT station and the residential flats (apartment complexes). It's not meant to travel long distances like Singapore's citywide MRT system.

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 10:34 AM

I kinda notice that the metros of both Mexico City and Paris have similar widths to the LRT-1 and MRT. Will either trains fit in these tracks without any clash?

Mexico City Metro
http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/mxc-rrt-fichatecnicaneumatico-crossing-switch_subways-net.jpg

Manila LRT-1
http://www.n-sharyo.co.jp/business/tetsudo/images/zmanira_lrt.jpg

Paris Metro
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Paris-subway-ligne5.jpg/900px-Paris-subway-ligne5.jpg

Manila's LRT trains looks a little bit more modern than the ones in Paris and Mexico City.

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 11:52 AM

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 12:02 PM

Proposed GRAND CENTRAL STATION
latest design proposal...

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site development plan

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front elevation

PERSPECTIVES
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site perspective
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suggestion lang pu...

next... design proposal for bagong bario and balintawak station.:cheers:

Cool beans! :shocked:

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 12:05 PM

Grand Central Terminal
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv357/yhuan07/csavASVvsvsdvvsefeaf.jpg
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:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

More! More! More! :cheer:

kennethologist

June 14th, 2009, 12:09 PM

More! More! More! :cheer:

he's really talented in sketching-up... :D kudos!

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 12:09 PM

Simple: put the stations underground and unify them. It's costly, but more efficient in the long run.

That would be nice. In a perfect world, that is. ;)

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 12:11 PM

Post away folks! :colgate:

Link to Thread 12 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=96027&page=459) in the Archives. :okay:

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 12:12 PM

New thread! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=891082) :colgate:

:lock:

happosai

June 14th, 2009, 12:15 PM

^^Sana sa thread na ito maging operational ang LRT1 north extension.. :banana:
Maihabol kaya ang Grand Central Terminal sa end ng term ni PGMA?

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 12:20 PM

^^ Just like in the NAIA thread? T3 became semi-operational when the 13th thread was active. ;)

marlowe_cano

June 14th, 2009, 12:23 PM

excited to see when this projects has already finished...:)

balay_1

June 14th, 2009, 12:28 PM

happosai

June 14th, 2009, 01:17 PM

^^Masasabi ko lang dyan ay.. kung gustong gawin.. may paraan... kung ayaw maraming dahilan... :lol:

OnT: Any updates on the Monumento circle area? Parang nag missing in action si Han... wala pa sya update... :lol:

Planning Democracy

June 14th, 2009, 01:27 PM

The next prez will reap all the press benefits of the "ribbon cutting" ceremony once these projects are finished. Imagine "President Villar" gloriously opening C5 extension. :lol:

Anyway whoever is next must continue all these projects, a trapo type will get caught up in politics and "inquiries", while a person of action simply does that, do things.

NicknameForLife

June 14th, 2009, 01:37 PM

Paul George Alcala

June 14th, 2009, 05:32 PM

Naku di na talaga ako maniniwala sa mga project plan ng gobyerno na sisimulan ang LRT South by that month, etc. Ilang beses na nagbago ng plano kung kailan sisimulan ang LRT extention. nakakasawa na. Ang huli kong natatandaan ay March 2009 tapos naging September 2009. pang 10 times or more na ata na delay ang schedule ng construction.

Okay lang sa akin na magdusa sa trafic kung sinisimulan ang LRT extention. At least kahit trafic may nakikta kang progress. kaysa naman yung magdusa sa trafic dahil sa maynilad na project na muntik ng gawin,

Wla man lang nagawa si Maliksi for 9 years na ipursue ang LRT South Extention.

edly

June 14th, 2009, 06:16 PM

edly

June 14th, 2009, 06:19 PM

cool_blue

June 14th, 2009, 06:42 PM

Planning Democracy

June 14th, 2009, 09:03 PM

Sana manalo si Manny Villar as President para masimulan na, FINALLY, ang LRT South Extension na sobrang tagal na naming inaasam-asam...

Malay mo, palikuin ni Villar yung LRT South Extension papasok ng BF or kung san man mga property niya. Convenient! hahaha :lol:

Planning Democracy

June 14th, 2009, 09:04 PM

Let me add: 5. Securing ROW is another great challenge, especially in a traffic-congested, village-clustered province. It took them years to secure these ROWs. Not all the time along Aguinaldo hi-way o Coastal idadaan ang viaducts. Remember, kailangan ng depot pra dyan sa Bacoor.

Yep, I think sa ROW sila natatagalan, dapat jan magaling na negotiator.

Waldenstrom

June 14th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Reasons kaya di pa nasisimulan ang LRT South Extension. (for me)

3. GMA's supposedly suppression of Cavite. Dahil sa pulitika, grounded na muna ang mga projects diyan sa Cavite. Lacson and Remulla are all anti-GMA politicians coming from Cavite. Para kay GMA, "Magdusa kayo. Ako ang presidente kaya mamatay kayo sa traffic!":lol::lol::lol:

Cavite is already 'pro-PGMA' since last election. :)

TeslaCoil

June 14th, 2009, 11:43 PM

^^ Agree!

Just like any other projects headed by the government eh tainted din ito ng corruption. 87 billion pesos for the south extension is really expensive. I am sure na tataas pa yan once the construction has started.

walrus357

June 14th, 2009, 11:45 PM

nag-umpisa yata ang problema netong LRT1 south ext nung umatras yung original proponent, SNC LAVALIN nuong 2006. way back then LRT management issued invitation for fresh bidder but up to now no taker...please correct me if i'm wrong, baka may bagong development na di ko alam.
sa present price tag na $1.78B, hindi talaga kakayanin ng gobyerno kung alang katulong galing private sector...

please read this related story from MANILA STANDARD TODAY dated May 30, 2006

(http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business01_may30_2006)

happosai

June 15th, 2009, 03:05 AM

Malay mo, palikuin ni Villar yung LRT South Extension papasok ng BF or kung san man mga property niya. Convenient! hahaha :lol:

^^Idaan na rin nya yung SouthRail project.. :lol:

Yep, I think sa ROW sila natatagalan, dapat jan magaling na negotiator.

^^Ganito dapat sinasabi ng negotiator: "Ibebenta mo property mo o susunugin namin bahay mo.. " :lol::lol:

nag-umpisa yata ang problema netong LRT1 south ext nung umatras yung original proponent, SNC LAVALIN nuong 2006. way back then LRT management issued invitation for fresh bidder but up to now no taker...please correct me if i'm wrong, baka may bagong development na di ko alam.
sa present price tag na $1.78B, hindi talaga kakayanin ng gobyerno kung alang katulong galing private sector...

please read this related story from MANILA STANDARD TODAY dated May 30, 2006

(http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business01_may30_2006)

^^Para sa mahirap, galing sa mahirap. Magbibigay si Manny Villar ng pondo para sa South extension.. :nuts::nuts::lol::lol:

adgaps

June 15th, 2009, 11:18 AM

OnT: Any updates on the Monumento circle area? Parang nag missing in action si Han... wala pa sya update... :lol:

napadaan ako kanina dun... hindi lang ako nakapagtake ng pics (next time magpipicture ako... promise)...

masyado nang mabigat ang traffic dun...

may mga railings na rin ang First Balfour in front of Ever Gotesco...

heavy traffic paglampas ng Monumento station going to the rotund, dahil may mga diggings na, at naka-"park" sa kalahati ng kalsada yung mga naglalakihan nilang cranes...

ferny123

June 15th, 2009, 01:06 PM

edly

June 15th, 2009, 01:18 PM

1,2 is true. and 4 is very true. ahahah finish the existing projects first b4 undertaking a new one. kase malapit na rin matapos term ni gloria. kng mag start pa ung cavite extension eh baka ma stop lng ng next administration.

Naku, paano na yung MRT7? Next year pa siya masisimulan. Mukhang maiipit din siya ng transition. Hay, wag naman sana. :ohno:

wheel of steel

June 15th, 2009, 05:03 PM

Naku, paano na yung MRT7? Next year pa siya masisimulan. Mukhang maiipit din siya ng transition. Hay, wag naman sana. :ohno:

Relax, MRT7 was conceptualized for private consortium. They will not be affected and ever since non of our railway projects were affected during administration transition. Southrail 1A (Calamba to Lucena) is also hoping for a restart before PGMA ends term next year.

in_a_rush

June 15th, 2009, 05:45 PM

bago na yung ticket ng line 1. nakalagay na yung mga bagong stations sa likod. sadly, walang bagong barrio station. :ohno:

TeslaCoil

June 15th, 2009, 06:01 PM

I think the Bagong Barrio station proved to be not economically viable according sa study even though they protested that in EDSA.

Sky Harbor

June 15th, 2009, 06:09 PM

^^ We all know though the consequences of them not building Bagong Barrio station: the Caloocan city government will revoke (or suspend) the construction permits, bringing much construction to a halt.

stanleymalls

June 15th, 2009, 06:11 PM

Reasons kaya di pa nasisimulan ang LRT South Extension. (for me)

1. Mahal ang project na iyan. Imagine, $ 1.78 billion ang halaga niyan ngayon. Kung sa peso, Php 87,220,000,000.00 (Php 49.00 * $ 1.78 billion) o Php 87.22 billion. Wow. May nabasa akong news article na ang LRT-MRT Connection from Monumento to SM North EDSA ay around Php 5 billion lang. Baka nahihirapan ang gobyerno na mag-raise ng pera sa proyekto na iyan. Imagine, Php 87.22 billion.:nuts::nuts::nuts:

2. Hindi pa tapos ang Coastal Road project. Kung isasabay ang construction ng LRT South Extension at ang long-delayed na Coastal Road Extension project, chaos at traffic ang mararanasan ng mga tiga-Cavite. I mean, kung tapos na ang Coastal Road, pwede itong gawing alternate route ng mga motorista para iwas-traffic sanhi ng LRT South Extension.

4. Theory ko lang ito: GMA is prioritizing first North then South. Kumbaga, tapusin muna ang mga North projects, then South projects na. Just like NLEX and SLEX, naunang matapos ang NLEX pero ang SLEX, hindi pa. Long-delayed na nga ito. Kung tapos na ang LRT North Extension, sana mag-commence na ang LRT South Extension project.:ohno::ohno::ohno:

Mga palagay ko lang iyan.:) Bahala na kayong humusga.:)

Mostly true ang lahat ng sinabi mo. Pero I think, kaya siguro mahal ay dahil itatayo ito malapit sa reclaimed land, considering na ang shoreline halos ng Manila Bay ay reclaimed. I dunno kung yun ang rason.

Pero someone as responsible as the President herself should be elected this coming elections.

^^Masasabi ko lang dyan ay.. kung gustong gawin.. may paraan... kung ayaw maraming dahilan... :lol:

OnT: Any updates on the Monumento circle area? Parang nag missing in action si Han... wala pa sya update... :lol:

TAMA!!! :lol: :banana:

The next prez will reap all the press benefits of the "ribbon cutting" ceremony once these projects are finished. Imagine "President Villar" gloriously opening C5 extension. :lol:

Anyway whoever is next must continue all these projects, a trapo type will get caught up in politics and "inquiries", while a person of action simply does that, do things.

TRUE!!!! A true leader will continue to do these things left behind by Arroyo.

1 to 4 is correct....

and my comment on 3... (kung totoo ito)
wag lang sila ang isipin ni GMA
kasi porket yung ibang taga opposition dito comes from Cavite...
ganun ang trato niya..
isipin din niya ang mga ibang tao... na nakatira sa Cavite...
malaking pakinabang ang South Extension...
hays...

HINDI NA NAAWA..
CON-ASS PA INUUNA!
:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

Uhm.... Parang haka-haka lang yun, na baka (at sana hindi naman) ganun ang iniisip ng PGMA. :)

Naku di na talaga ako maniniwala sa mga project plan ng gobyerno na sisimulan ang LRT South by that month, etc. Ilang beses na nagbago ng plano kung kailan sisimulan ang LRT extention. nakakasawa na. Ang huli kong natatandaan ay March 2009 tapos naging September 2009. pang 10 times or more na ata na delay ang schedule ng construction.

Okay lang sa akin na magdusa sa trafic kung sinisimulan ang LRT extention. At least kahit trafic may nakikta kang progress. kaysa naman yung magdusa sa trafic dahil sa maynilad na project na muntik ng gawin,

Wla man lang nagawa si Maliksi for 9 years na ipursue ang LRT South Extention.

Cavite, as I've seen it in the past 10 years na pabalik-balik, e no constant change. Nakakasawa.... :mad:

Let me add: 5. Securing ROW is another great challenge, especially in a traffic-congested, village-clustered province. It took them years to secure these ROWs. Not all the time along Aguinaldo hi-way o Coastal idadaan ang viaducts. Remember, kailangan ng depot pra dyan sa Bacoor.

^^Ganito dapat sinasabi ng negotiator: "Ibebenta mo property mo o susunugin namin bahay mo.. " :lol::lol:

Yep, I think sa ROW sila natatagalan, dapat jan magaling na negotiator.

Ganyan dapat para mai-enforce sa kanila ang authority na in return, babayaran ka naman namin ah.... :lol:

What's this? Like Erap inaugurating some FVR Projects like Skyway and MRT 3? So happened it was finished during his term already. :nuts:

Ay! Kay FVR ang Skyway at MRT3? Nyek!!! :tongue3:

Sana manalo si Manny Villar as President para masimulan na, FINALLY, ang LRT South Extension na sobrang tagal na naming inaasam-asam...

Malay mo, palikuin ni Villar yung LRT South Extension papasok ng BF or kung san man mga property niya. Convenient! hahaha :lol:

Yung mga lugar kasi na dinaanan ng C5 Extension, malayo sa major thoroughfares like Coastal Road.

At sana naman ngayon, kung saan lang dapat dumaan yung LRT South, dun lang. Wala nang re-alignment.

Cavite is already 'pro-PGMA' since last election. :)

^^ Agree!

Just like any other projects headed by the government eh tainted din ito ng corruption. 87 billion pesos for the south extension is really expensive. I am sure na tataas pa yan once the construction has started.

Sa bansa na puno ng buwaya, talaga!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

nag-umpisa yata ang problema netong LRT1 south ext nung umatras yung original proponent, SNC LAVALIN nuong 2006. way back then LRT management issued invitation for fresh bidder but up to now no taker...please correct me if i'm wrong, baka may bagong development na di ko alam.
sa present price tag na $1.78B, hindi talaga kakayanin ng gobyerno kung alang katulong galing private sector...

please read this related story from MANILA STANDARD TODAY dated May 30, 2006

(http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business01_may30_2006)

1,2 is true. and 4 is very true. ahahah finish the existing projects first b4 undertaking a new one. kase malapit na rin matapos term ni gloria. kng mag start pa ung cavite extension eh baka ma stop lng ng next administration.

Tama!!! :okay:

Naku, paano na yung MRT7? Next year pa siya masisimulan. Mukhang maiipit din siya ng transition. Hay, wag naman sana. :ohno:

Relax, MRT7 was conceptualized for private consortium. They will not be affected and ever since non of our railway projects were affected during administration transition. Southrail 1A (Calamba to Lucena) is also hoping for a restart before PGMA ends term next year.

Hah.... Good news. :D

bago na yung ticket ng line 1. nakalagay na yung mga bagong stations sa likod. sadly, walang bagong barrio station. :ohno:

Pero nakalagay na ba yung dating proposed stations bago nila nilagay yung Bagong Barrio?

ionmarx

June 16th, 2009, 12:03 AM

bago na yung ticket ng line 1. nakalagay na yung mga bagong stations sa likod. sadly, walang bagong barrio station. :ohno:

Picture naman dyan! :D

cq40

June 16th, 2009, 02:15 AM

I think the Bagong Barrio station proved to be not economically viable according sa study even though they protested that in EDSA.
Yeah! Why spend 100 million pesos (that's the cost of an LRT station) for a small, insignificant place and village. Because they protested? The key here is for the benefit of the many, not for the benefit of themselves. As if naman Business District ang area para 2 pa station sa bahaing caloocan, take note, bilangin ang petty crimes! Tapos me-pa protesta protesta pa sa EDSA, traffic na nga, pinatraffic pa, that's mature. Them, causing harm to get what they wanted? Parang baby, pag ayaw bilhin yung kendi, iiyak nalang :ohno: Because of that (and the Grand Central Terminal) ma dedelay tuloy ang operations ng 4 months. :ohno: For me that Bagong Barrio Station is one insignificant, pointless, useless, absolutely invaluable place to invest with. Mainay, mabaho, pangit at nakakatakot, like northern pasay and it's like bound to be underwater/shorelined by 2100.

On the other hand, kesa nga naman mapunta sa kurakot, sa station nalang :lol:

TeslaCoil

June 16th, 2009, 04:11 AM

^^ Naku mas malaki ang kurakot pag ginawa ang station. Kupit dito, kupit doon.

Sky Harbor

June 16th, 2009, 05:05 AM

evo_Sieg

June 16th, 2009, 05:44 AM

Update! Roosevelt/Congressional has already been spanned!

*will try to get pics tomorrow. gandang salubong sa commute ko kanina (kahit umuulan) :D

absinthe_888

June 16th, 2009, 06:31 AM

^^ magpayong o jaket, baka mabasa ang katawan at camera :lol:

balay_1

June 16th, 2009, 07:51 AM

Ayun naman pala. Kaya di pa nasisimulan ang LRT South Extension ay hindi pa nag-aagree ang public at private sectors. Eto ang news, dated June 12, 2009.

No agreement on project list for P100-B ‘stimulus’ (http://www.bworld.com.ph/BW061209/content.php?id=053)

THE PRIVATE and public sector proponents of the long-awaited P100-billion infrastructure stimulus have not agreed on what projects the fund will finance even after their meeting in Malacañang yesterday.

This arose as three of the four infrastructure projects preferred by the Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PCCI), the group that had proposed the stimulus, are not "shovel-ready" since they have not gone through the National Economic and Development Authority’s screening.

PCCI President Edgardo G. Lacson, however, said that the decision on whether their top picks will qualify for funding may be ready by Monday.

"There is a very big possibility that the four will be included [in the list for funding]," Mr. Lacson claimed in a phone interview yesterday.

Mr. Lacson was referring to the C-6 highway from Bicutan to Meycauyan, the extensions of the Metro Rail Transit Line 2 to Masinag and Light Rail Transit Line 1 to Cavite, and the upgrading of the Caticlan airport.

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bustero

June 16th, 2009, 11:09 AM

I would not rule out LRT1 cavite extension just yet. This is an ICC approved project with a higher priority than other Lines like MRT7. The only reason I can imagine it being cancelled is if they do a BRT study that proves to be more cost effective for us. I think such a study will not even get to the financing stage (getting the funds to do the feasibility) just because there is so much money spent on the extension study already.

Re politics there is more than a hint of truth there. At this point any administration be it local or national will be concentrating using their tax pesos to accomplish quick and easy to finish projects that candidates can point out to as having been accomplished in their administration (before election). Getting big ticket items funded at this stage specially one which will only bear fruit years into the next administration will be less politically desirable.

Planning Democracy

June 16th, 2009, 01:34 PM

Narnian_King

June 16th, 2009, 02:14 PM

May Picture na ang looping ng LRT 1 Monumento papuntang North sa mga tickets ng LRT1. :)

barrera_marquez

June 16th, 2009, 03:57 PM

Yeah! Why spend 100 million pesos (that's the cost of an LRT station) for a small, insignificant place and village. Because they protested? The key here is for the benefit of the many, not for the benefit of themselves. As if naman Business District ang area para 2 pa station sa bahaing caloocan, take note, bilangin ang petty crimes! Tapos me-pa protesta protesta pa sa EDSA, traffic na nga, pinatraffic pa, that's mature. Them, causing harm to get what they wanted? Parang baby, pag ayaw bilhin yung kendi, iiyak nalang :ohno: Because of that (and the Grand Central Terminal) ma dedelay tuloy ang operations ng 4 months. :ohno: For me that Bagong Barrio Station is one insignificant, pointless, useless, absolutely invaluable place to invest with. Mainay, mabaho, pangit at nakakatakot, like northern pasay and it's like bound to be underwater/shorelined by 2100.

On the other hand, kesa nga naman mapunta sa kurakot, sa station nalang :lol:

Sabihin ko kaya iyan sa barangay ninyo ano?! Sa amin problema malaki iyan, kapag hindi naitayo iyan. Grand Central will still be delayed dahil sa away ng dalawang malls. Dahil nga sa away ng dalawang malls na iyan delayed din ang Bagong Barrio station because of the fact they can't release the funds and plans. Bakit sa inyo ba walang crime?! Galit ka ba sa isang taga-Caloocan o nadale ka ba ng holdaper diyan? Baka matagal na iyon at panahon pa ni Malonzo iyon! Ganoon din naman sa ibang LRT station, hindi ba?

Isa pa, the one who says Bagong Barrio station is insignificant doesn't know the problem we face everyday. Baka kapag naranasan ninyo ang problema namin magre-evaluate kayo at halatang-halata ang problemang iyan ng mga taga-Valenzuela sa may bandang NLEx dahil sila ay nahihirapan nang maglakad sa likod ng Grand Central para lamang makasakay sa punung-puno nang Monumento Station. Ayokong nang magalit, masyado na akong maraming problema. Maiinis lang ako.