e kung tataasan kung sakali 5.00 muna. . . Masyadong abusado sa tao naman panukala nyong presyo...

Sana magkaharap nga kayo nung chairman ng NCCP..Bakit natatakot kayo humarap sa mga govt officials at iba pang org dahil sa sa mga Cockroach???

Pano naging abusado? Pasalamat nga tayo na subsudized pa ng govt. ang MRT/LRT. simple lang naman tlga eh.

KUNG AYAW NYO SA MATAAS NA PAMASAHE NG TREN, WAG NYONG SAKYAN!

Pano naging abusado? Pasalamat nga tayo na subsudized pa ng govt. ang MRT/LRT. simple lang naman tlga eh.

KUNG AYAW NYO SA MATAAS NA PAMASAHE NG TREN, WAG NYONG SAKYAN!
Abuso sa mamayan kung 60 end to end????

Ask ko lang siguro laki kayo sa layaw.. Di naman lahat rito commuter.. Kahit mga nakausap ko na kundoktor ng mga bus at mga nag aaply sa mga provincial bus..atbp

AYAW SA SOBRANG DI MAKATAO NA FARE HIKE 40 to 60??? Pano daw pag aaply nila..
E sa mga requirements lang laki na ng gastos nila tapos pabalik balik mag report tapos pamasahe sa MRT 50 to 60?? Palibhasa pag naghanap ka ng trabaho naka kotse ka ata or makapal ang bulsa ng pitaka mo.

Kung sa militar me budget na 11 billion sa pag aquire lang ng mga junkies US naval asset at other military asset.
Subsidy pa kaya...e gusto nyo ata mawala ang subsidy..
Bat pa gustong bawasan ang subsidy para nga san yung matitipid sa PABAON???/edi mapunta nalang sa mga commuters na tax payer din naman..

Abuso sa mamayan kung 60 end to end????


ABUSO? Eh dapat ang original na pamasahe sa LRT at MRT ay 63 pesos! Hindi mo yata alam yan eh! Diba kaya walang sumasakay sa MRT noon?

Ask ko lang siguro laki kayo sa layaw.. Di naman lahat rito commuter.. Kahit mga nakausap ko na kundoktor ng mga bus at mga nag aaply sa mga provincial bus..atbp

Para sa iyong kaalaman, commuter din ako. Estudyante pa nga lang eh. Kahit masakit sa bulsa ang pag-taas ng pamasahe, tatanggapin ko. Para yan sa ikabubuti ng mga tren. 700 lang ang allowance ko sa isang linggo. Kahit magtaas pa ng pamasahe, kakayanin ko pa din. Alam mo kung paano pagkakasyahin? Pagtitipid. Pagba-budget ng maayos.

AYAW SA SOBRANG DI MAKATAO NA FARE HIKE 40 to 60??? Pano daw pag aaply nila..
E sa mga requirements lang laki na ng gastos nila tapos pabalik balik mag report tapos pamasahe sa MRT 50 to 60?? Palibhasa pag naghanap ka ng trabaho naka kotse ka ata or makapal ang bulsa ng pitaka mo.

Kaya nga maswerte at subsidized eh. Nagtatrabaho ka sa bus company, diba? Hindi mo ba naiisip yung kinikita ng mga kapwa mo kundoktor at driver dahil sa MRT? Tignan mo, magiging blessing in disguise din ang pag-taas ng pamasahe sa MRT, dahil tataas din ang kita ng mga bus companies.

Kung sa militar me budget na 11 billion sa pag aquire lang ng mga junkies US naval asset at other military asset.
Subsidy pa kaya...e gusto nyo ata mawala ang subsidy..
Bat pa gustong bawasan ang subsidy para nga san yung matitipid sa PABAON???/edi mapunta nalang sa mga commuters na tax payer din naman..

Siguro naman alam mo ang katiwalian sa militar ngayon. Kaya dyan napupunta ang pera ng AFP. Kung gobyerno nga ang masusunod, gusto nilang tanggalin ang subsidy para sa iba pang proyekto. Nagmumukha lang pabaon ang fare hike dahil napapanahon na talagang i-privatize ang LRTA at MRTC.

^^ akala ko t-type ko pa lahat nang yan. SALAMAT. ginawa mo na trabaho ko.

Pano naging abusado? Pasalamat nga tayo na subsudized pa ng govt. ang MRT/LRT. simple lang naman tlga eh.

KUNG AYAW NYO SA MATAAS NA PAMASAHE NG TREN, WAG NYONG SAKYAN!

Naisip ko lang, kung wala ng subsidy yung pamasahe sa LRT, malamang sa malamang kokonti na ang mga 'masa' na gagamit sa serbisyo nito dahil mataas na ang pamasahe. Pero yung mga may kaya at mayayaman, puede nila itong tangkilikin bilang isang alternatibo sa paggamit ng sariling sasakyan. At kung sakaling ganun ang mangyari, mababawasan ang volume ng mga sasakyan sa daan. hindi man ganun kadami ang mawala, pero sasapat na rin para maibsan ang kalagayan ng trapiko.

^^ naisip ko rin yun pero ang convenience naman kasi... ikaw ba naman pag-jeep ko eg. mula sa Santolan hanggang Recto. Cyempre mas pipiliin mo LRT. kaya kahit mahal yan, go ka pa rin.

^^ akala ko t-type ko pa lahat nang yan. SALAMAT. ginawa mo na trabaho ko.

Ano ba yan. :nuts::nuts::lol:

I also agree to Fare Increase.:)

Kung sa militar me budget na 11 billion sa pag aquire lang ng mga junkies US naval asset at other military asset.
Subsidy pa kaya...e gusto nyo ata mawala ang subsidy..
Bat pa gustong bawasan ang subsidy para nga san yung matitipid sa PABAON???/edi mapunta nalang sa mga commuters na tax payer din naman..

You need to grasp what the government exactly wants.

Be careful with your assumptions. Di pa nagagastos yung 11 Billion na yun...

Subsidy is not a long-term solution to our rail problems. What the gov't needs and plans to do is privatize the LRT/MRT while ensuring that no monopoly will ever exist. That way competition and market forces will lower the fares. I assure you...private companies will make train services a hella lot better.

BUT in the meantime/temporarily,

The government needs to increase the fares in order to attract those private operators. Konting tiis...wag ka masyadong makinig sa mga sinasabi ng mga komunista at militante!

Naisip ko lang, kung wala ng subsidy yung pamasahe sa LRT, malamang sa malamang kokonti na ang mga 'masa' na gagamit sa serbisyo nito dahil mataas na ang pamasahe. Pero yung mga may kaya at mayayaman, puede nila itong tangkilikin bilang isang alternatibo sa paggamit ng sariling sasakyan. At kung sakaling ganun ang mangyari, mababawasan ang volume ng mga sasakyan sa daan. hindi man ganun kadami ang mawala, pero sasapat na rin para maibsan ang kalagayan ng trapiko.Exactly, yun nga yung isa rin sa mga reason kung bakit kailangang taasan ang pamasahe.

The govt should sometimes stop listening to the public and do what they HAVE to do.

The govt should sometimes stop listening to the public and do what they HAVE to do.

maybe you meant the "masa" and not the public. We're part of the public too right?

If the MRT becomes unaffordable to the "masa", the demand for jeeps and buses will increase, which will cause more traffic and will be detrimental to car owners.

I think it is in the best interest of car owners to keep train fares affordable. :lol:

If the MRT becomes unaffordable to the "masa", the demand for jeeps and buses will increase, which will cause more traffic and will be detrimental to car owners.

I think it is in the best interest of car owners to keep train fares affordable. :lol:

increase the fare. make the system more profitable. invest in more lines. after a decade or two, we'll have an expansive mass rail transit. that would ease traffic.

Para sa iyong kaalaman, commuter din ako. Estudyante pa nga lang eh. Kahit masakit sa bulsa ang pag-taas ng pamasahe, tatanggapin ko. Para yan sa ikabubuti ng mga tren. 700 lang ang allowance ko sa isang linggo. Kahit magtaas pa ng pamasahe, kakayanin ko pa din. Alam mo kung paano pagkakasyahin? Pagtitipid. Pagba-budget ng maayos.


woohoo, another one who is willing to sacrifice a bigger portion of his budget for the common good. this goes to show that those with "isipin ang masa" mentality are not an overwhelming majority.

the DOTC should stop the consultation non-sense and just do what is right. walang pag-asa makipag-public consultation sa mga yan. marami paring nananaginip ng gising - tignan niyo na lang ang pinaglalagay ng mga komunista sa center aisle along taft LRT.

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^^ Sa vandalism magagaling ang mga militante. :nuts:

IMO, ala namang nangyayari sa mga public consultations eh. Lalabas lang sa tenga ng mga officials ang mga pinagsasasabi ng mga umaatend ng mga consultation na yan. :nuts:

increase the fare. make the system more profitable. invest in more lines. after a decade or two, we'll have an expansive mass rail transit. that would ease traffic.

I don't want to wait a decade or two to ease traffic.

Private companies would still invest because their profit is assured anyway, I think the subsidy makes it attractive to investors.

There's a reason why it's called "mass" transit, so it can transport the most people possible efficiently.

I don't want to wait a decade or two to ease traffic.

Private companies would still invest because their profit is assured anyway, I think the subsidy makes it attractive to investors.

There's a reason why it's called "mass" transit, so it can transport the most people possible efficiently.

neither does keeping the the fares superficially low solve the traffic problem.

not increasing the fare would be status quo and it's pretty obvious where it's heading.

being a "mass transit" doesn't mean exchanging sustainability (i.e. profits) just for the sake of public service.

neither does keeping the the fares superficially low solve the traffic problem.

not increasing the fare would be status quo and it's pretty obvious where it's heading.

being a "mass transit" doesn't mean exchanging sustainability (i.e. profits) just for the sake of public service.

It's not just for the sake of "public service", mass transit benefits society in other ways which makes up for the losses it incurs with low fares.

It reduces people's travel times, reduces traffic by reducing the demand for buses and jeeps, and other benefits to society which are difficult to equate in monetary terms.

Alienating the masses from mass transit is just plain... um.. daft. :lol:

It reduces people's travel times, reduces traffic by reducing the demand for buses and jeeps, and other benefits to society which are difficult to equate in monetary terms.


i'd rather see more people reaping these benefits by building more lines versus hopelessly subsidizing the existing 3.

i'd rather see more people reaping these benefits by building more lines versus hopelessly subsidizing the existing 3.

It will always be subsidized, the actual cost is around P60, which will make riding the bus or jeep cheaper, and eliminating whatever benefits line 3 has for the public. Unless they find other ways to supplement their income, like for example real estate projects connected to their lines, a fare increase will not make them profitable.

Naisip ko lang, kung wala ng subsidy yung pamasahe sa LRT, malamang sa malamang kokonti na ang mga 'masa' na gagamit sa serbisyo nito dahil mataas na ang pamasahe. Pero yung mga may kaya at mayayaman, puede nila itong tangkilikin bilang isang alternatibo sa paggamit ng sariling sasakyan. At kung sakaling ganun ang mangyari, mababawasan ang volume ng mga sasakyan sa daan. hindi man ganun kadami ang mawala, pero sasapat na rin para maibsan ang kalagayan ng trapiko.

Ayaw nga nung iba na mag commute nitong mga me kaya dahil takot madukutan!

^
Ganyan talaga ang mga iyan ayaw gusto na lang yung may kaya ang gustong gumamit?! tsk tsk...

woohoo, another one who is willing to sacrifice a bigger portion of his budget for the common good. this goes to show that those with "isipin ang masa" mentality are not an overwhelming majority.

the DOTC should stop the consultation non-sense and just do what is right. walang pag-asa makipag-public consultation sa mga yan. marami paring nananaginip ng gising - tignan niyo na lang ang pinaglalagay ng mga komunista sa center aisle along taft LRT.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd416/kenttott/forum/200860_207513982602684_100000322527961_695550_377609_o.jpg

Tama nga ba puro nalang taas ng mga basic commodities tapos ang basic pay nanatili sa 400 plus....Pano di aangal ang mga pangkaraniwang mangagawa???


Ikaw nga naman ilipat sa malayo at dito ka sa metropolis nagttrabaho me mga pamilya ka...kakasya ba ang sahod mo...tapos panay nalang taas..kung nagmumula ka ng sta rosa tapos ang work place mo manila central..ano pa maitatabi mo for emergency purposes???Cge nga....Magpalit kayo ng sitwasyon...

Kaya di mo rin masisi kung bakit nagbabalikan ang mga IS. Ilalagay mo sa walang sibilisasyon..ni pamasahe abonado pa..

Ano kaya kung madinig nyo yung rock na kanta ng mga underground na..ABOLISH FULL PRIVATE PROPERTY...baka awayin nyo pa yung nagpapatugtog.

Pabor kasi kayo sa mga NEGOSYANTENG SAGAD SA GANID ANG MGA BUTO.. PURO EXPANSION ng kanilang pag aari...

Balang araw alila na ang mga mamayang pilipino at ang mga nasa gobyerno sunod sunuran nalang sa kagustuhan ng mga ganid.. habang uubusin nalang ang mga ancestral land pati mga bukirin.., mga likas na yaman para sa kanilang mga proyekto.. at pang akit daw sa mga dayuhan para ano dito tumira at mag harian??At ang mga pinoy ISKWATER sa kanilang sariling bayan...Balang araw mga intsik, koreano na ang sasakal satin...at mga ganid..

It will always be subsidized, the actual cost is around P60, which will make riding the bus or jeep cheaper, and eliminating whatever benefits line 3 has for the public. Unless they find other ways to supplement their income, like for example real estate projects connected to their lines, a fare increase will not make them profitable.

The government has many resources to subsidize the Mass transit system, but sad to say they want to give to the private companies to leave their obligations to the masses.... But we should not surrender to protect our rights as citizens of the republic.


Balang araw alila na ang mga mamayang pilipino at ang mga nasa gobyerno sunod sunuran nalang sa kagustuhan ng mga ganid.. habang uubusin nalang ang mga ancestral land pati mga bukirin.., mga likas na yaman para sa kanilang mga proyekto.. at pang akit daw sa mga dayuhan para ano dito tumira at mag harian??At ang mga pinoy ISKWATER sa kanilang sariling bayan...Balang araw mga intsik, koreano na ang sasakal satin...at mga ganid..


Agree

Ask ko lang gusto nyo ba na lahat ng mga pag aari ng gobyerno mapunta lahat sa kamay ng mga kapitalista...Bakit yung mga ibang bansa still state run parin...Gusto lang kasi ng pamahalaan ngayon umiwas sa kanilang obligasyon upang daw MAKATIPID pero san naman mapupunta yung matitipid..Napakaraming buwaya sa ibaba..Makaturangan ba himasukin narin ng mga private individuals ang mga health services, education na dating saklaw ng national govt...Parang ang laki ng galit nyo sa pangkaraniwang mamayang Pilipino...

Ang pamahaan hindi yan mawawalang ng pondo, marami yang makukunan ng pondo tulad ng buwis. Bakit itong pamahaan ito gusto na lang ipasa sa mahihirap, palibhasa kase hindi sila sumasakay o nakikihalubilo para makuha ang saloobin nila.

Damn it! Kelangan ba na ang mga "karaniwang manggagawa" ay gumagamit pa nh LRT. Kung gusto nyong magtipid, mag jeep kayo. Kakapal makapagreklamo! Edi kayo magpatakbo. Kukunin namin sa inyo yung subsidy.

Nakakainis lang kasi ang iniisip nyo lang ay ang mga bulsa nyo. Imbis na makapagtipid... Eto. Naninigarilyo, beer. Hindi nyo iniisip kung san mapupunta ang pera. I doubt na sa bulsa ng mga matataas mapupunta yan kasi company ito. Mahigpit sila pagdating sa kung san mapupunta pera.

Para naman sa matitipid ng gobyerno, mapupunta yan sa pag invest sa kragdagang infrastructure.

Kapansin pansin simula ng maging Presidente si P-Noy naging hindi maganda ang serbisyo ng LRT una na rito ang sobrang bagal ng interval ng tren, di tulad kay PGMA mabilis at palagian may skip train sa mga istasyon mataas ang volume ng pasahero, pangalawa ang hindi pag - gana ng mga pasukan ng card na dati ay gumagana lahat at isa sa dahilan kung bakit naiipon rin ang pasahero dahil nagsasalitan lang ang papasok at papalabas na pasahero lalo na kapag rush hour at ang palagian ng pagkasira daw ng mga tren na dati minsan lang maranasan, at kung lalahatin parang wala talagang plano ang presidente natin sa mga karilesan dahil pati rin PNR damay, at wala syang ibang maisip kundi ibenta ang mga ito di tulad kay PGMA ipinakita nyang lahat ng sistemang pang riles ay maayos.

Tama nga ba puro nalang taas ng mga basic commodities tapos ang basic pay nanatili sa 400 plus....Pano di aangal ang mga pangkaraniwang mangagawa???

isipin niyo rin sana kung saan kukunin ng mga employer niyo yung pandagdag sahod kung ibaba rin nila ang presyo. pati ba naman mga negosyante gusto niyong mag "public service"? ano sila tren? :lol:


Ikaw nga naman ilipat sa malayo at dito ka sa metropolis nagttrabaho me mga pamilya ka...kakasya ba ang sahod mo...tapos panay nalang taas..kung nagmumula ka ng sta rosa tapos ang work place mo manila central..ano pa maitatabi mo for emergency purposes???Cge nga....Magpalit kayo ng sitwasyon...

pag ganyan ang kalagayan ko:
1) magttatrabaho kami pareho ng misis ko (P800 a day family income)
2) hindi ako magbibisyo
3) hindi ako magaanak ng marami


Kaya di mo rin masisi kung bakit nagbabalikan ang mga IS. Ilalagay mo sa walang sibilisasyon..ni pamasahe abonado pa..

hindi rason ang pagiging gipit sa buhay sa pag-gawa ng mali. kung ganyan lahat mag-isip e di hindi mo na din masisisi ang mga holdupper, snatcher, kotong cops, etc.


Ano kaya kung madinig nyo yung rock na kanta ng mga underground na..ABOLISH FULL PRIVATE PROPERTY...baka awayin nyo pa yung nagpapatugtog.

Pabor kasi kayo sa mga NEGOSYANTENG SAGAD SA GANID ANG MGA BUTO.. PURO EXPANSION ng kanilang pag aari...

abolish full private property? at sino magpapatakbo? mga binoboti niyo sa gobyerno katulad nila erap at binay? good luck! :lol:

kung galit ka talaga sa mga negosyante, huwag ka ring sumakay ng jeep. alam mo bang kumikita sila sa 8 pesos na binabayad mo? sabihin mo ganid sila at ibaba nila sa 2 pesos sa ngalan ng "public service" :lol:

Kapansin pansin simula ng maging Presidente si P-Noy naging hindi maganda ang serbisyo ng LRT una na rito ang sobrang bagal ng interval ng tren, di tulad kay PGMA mabilis at palagian may skip train sa mga istasyon mataas ang volume ng pasahero, pangalawa ang hindi pag - gana ng mga pasukan ng card na dati ay gumagana lahat at isa sa dahilan kung bakit naiipon rin ang pasahero dahil nagsasalitan lang ang papasok at papalabas na pasahero lalo na kapag rush hour at ang palagian ng pagkasira daw ng mga tren na dati minsan lang maranasan, at kung lalahatin parang wala talagang plano ang presidente natin sa mga karilesan dahil pati rin PNR damay, at wala syang ibang maisip kundi ibenta ang mga ito di tulad kay PGMA ipinakita nyang lahat ng sistemang pang riles ay maayos.

Ayon sa aming source na kilala namin ni 915, merong opisial tawagin na lang natin siyang globo, e halos 2 hanggang 4 na oras lang siya nagtratrabaho, tapos the rest PSP. Grabe talaga... tsk tsk...

At clue is palaging basted :bash::bash::bash:

Dapat sana ayusin nya ang issue ito at hindi ipinauubaya ito sa mga mababang opisial:bash::bash:

Ask ko lang gusto nyo ba na lahat ng mga pag aari ng gobyerno mapunta lahat sa kamay ng mga kapitalista...Bakit yung mga ibang bansa still state run parin...Gusto lang kasi ng pamahalaan ngayon umiwas sa kanilang obligasyon upang daw MAKATIPID pero san naman mapupunta yung matitipid..Napakaraming buwaya sa ibaba..Makaturangan ba himasukin narin ng mga private individuals ang mga health services, education na dating saklaw ng national govt...Parang ang laki ng galit nyo sa pangkaraniwang mamayang Pilipino...

papayag lang ako na gawing state-run ulit ang mga utility companies dito kung mawawala sa gobyerno at hindi ulit maboboto ang mga tulad ni lito lapid, bong revilla, erap, etc.

willing ka bang hindi na pa-botohin? :ohno:

Not all naman HINDI consumer ng sin products such as ALKOHOL and NICOTINES??
How about yung mga Breadwinner?Taga taguyod ng kanilang mga families??


Ok Sige Kumampi kayo kina pangilinan at iba pang Business tycoons....Sambahin nyo....\

ANG SOBRANG KAYAMAN AT KARANGYAAN di MADADALA SA LANGIT.....

papayag lang ako na gawing state-run ulit ang mga utility companies dito kung mawawala sa gobyerno at hindi ulit maboboto ang mga tulad ni lito lapid, bong revilla, erap, etc.

willing ka bang hindi na pa-botohin? :ohno:
Yeah.. Hindi ako boboto kung ganyang klaseng mga candidates ang mga tatakbo..sa pelikula lang magaling yan..

Kung bakit ang Gobyerno nagiging mis manage na.Dahil sa dami ng mga opisyal, isama mo na mga opisyal ng militar napaka raming heneral.wala naman nagagawa.

Fare Hike Now!

HIKE THE WAGES FIRST! EQUALLY TO THE PRICE HIKE OK!!!

HIKE THE WAGES FIRST! EQUALLY TO THE PRICE HIKE OK!!!

May wage hike nga, kung ma-bisyo naman, ano pa naging silbi ng wage hike? Hay nako.

Umm, sa fare hike, hindi ko naman inaasahan na maayos lahat ng escalator/elevator/lcd screen at orasan, tubig sa restroom, umuulang aircon at long lines (at mga tigasing kung makisiksik na mga taga guadaloupe station) ng mrt eh....so called improved service..


KONTING Luwag lang pag rush hour MASAYA na ko yehey!

itaas ang sahod!

babaan ang presyo ng yosi, beer at pulutan!

gawing libre ang lahat ng paaralan, hospital, tren at kalsada!

managinip tayong lahat ng gising! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Inalis na taxable income sa miniumum wage earner, pero bukod dyan may mga ilang activist group dyan pati EVAT gusto pa alisin.. aba talaga naman gusto ata nila libre lahat samantalang tayong mga malalaki kaltasan ng tax nag papakahirap din mag trabaho :ohno:

Anyway sang ayon ako dyan sa farehike na yan... Kung ayaw nyo mag bayad ng mas mahal ng kunti para sa isang mas convinient at mas mabilis na tren aba eh may option naman kayo mag jeep or bus!

Marami naman tayong kasundo dito eh. Pero quiet lang sila. :lol:

magkano ba ang proposed hike? I think i'm okay with 20-25. Pero kung mas mataas pa, wala tayo magagawa.. :D

Kung ikakaunlad di yung masyadong GATASAN naman...Yung abot kaya....

Kung lahat ng public utilities aariin na ng mga kapitalista.. Makatarungan ba gatasan ng gatasan..

Yang BLT at BOT na yan talagang BALDADO ang mamalakad dyan.

Hoo. Alam naman ng marami na subsidized ng gobyerno ang pamasahe dyan.

Question, yung magiging bagong fare natin is Php 40-60 diba?

Nope. LRT 1 and 2, 15-25. MRT, 20-30

Kala ko naman eh yung 15-25 at 20-30 ay dadagdag sa current fare.

Kung puwede lang sana, ginawa na yan ng gobyerno noon pa. :lol:

Ang simple lang naman e.

Magkakaiba ng opinyon ang mga tao dito laban sa Fare Hike. Meron tutol, meron pabor. Sino ba naman ang gusto magtaas ang pamasahe sa MRT/LRT. Wala.

Sanay na kasi ang mga Pinoy sa "free rider" mentality. Lahat iaasa sa gobyerno. Lahat isisi sa gobyerno. Di bali ba kung merong 1,000,000,000,000,000,00 bariles ng langis sa ilalim ng Pilipinas, eh gawin nang libre ang lahat.

Respetuhan nalang ng opinyon yan. Kenji at 915bungo, nirerespeto ko ang opinyon nyo laban sa Fare Hike. Pero mali ng argumento nyo na porke pabor ang isang tao sa Fare Hike ay matapobre, social climber, anti-mahirap, anti-masa, kapatalista, etc. na kami.

Hindi basta-basta pwede umutang ang Pilipinas para maserbisyuhan ang LRT/MRT. Eh kung ganong kadali lang yun, eh matagal ng ginawa ng Pinas yan. Pinas is mired in debt, tayo ang second largest issuer of sovereign bonds sa Asia, next only to Japan. Our fiscal deficit is so huge. Government has no funds, that's it. And given the dismal record of the government in managing GOCCs, govwrnment should not be in business in making business.

Walang pera ang gobyerno e, kaya kailangan lumapit sa kapitalista. At hindi masama maging kapitalista. Sila ang meh pera, sila ang merong pondo. Dapat nga ang gawin ay mag Cha-cha na para mabago na yung mga economic provisions ng Saligang Batas para mas dumami pa ang investors dito sa atin. Sila ang magbibigay ng trabaho.

Hindi tatangalin ang subsidy sa LRT/MRT. Babawasan lang.

Kelan kaya magkakaroon ang South Extension ng LRT pa-Cavite? :| Siguro sa ibang dimensyon, baka meron na. :lol:

^^ Multiverse? :D Tawagin na si Jet Li :nuts:

^^ Multiverse? :D Tawagin na si Jet Li :nuts:
Naku. Tawagin na nga natin! Baka dun na ako tumira! Ang kulelat kasi ng local government ng Cavite ngayon, wala pa akong naririnig na nag-lolobby uli for the said project. :|


At baka sa dimensyon na yun, HEAVY RAIL config ang ginagamit sa EDSA-MRT, HINDI LIGHT RAIL. :lol:

If the MRT becomes unaffordable to the "masa", the demand for jeeps and buses will increase, which will cause more traffic and will be detrimental to car owners.

I think it is in the best interest of car owners to keep train fares affordable. :lol:

Uhm. No. The money the government will earn from the fare hike can be used to improve transport infrastructure road and rail. Win-win.

Naku. Tawagin na nga natin! Baka dun na ako tumira! Ang kulelat kasi ng local government ng Cavite ngayon, wala pa akong naririnig na nag-lolobby uli for the said project. :|


At baka sa dimensyon na yun, HEAVY RAIL config ang ginagamit sa EDSA-MRT, HINDI LIGHT RAIL. :lol:

Lipat tayo sa R1 Thread at ibuhos ang sama ng loob sa mga opisyales ng Kabite :nuts:

Ask ko lang gusto nyo ba na lahat ng mga pag aari ng gobyerno mapunta lahat sa kamay ng mga kapitalista...Bakit yung mga ibang bansa still state run parin...Gusto lang kasi ng pamahalaan ngayon umiwas sa kanilang obligasyon upang daw MAKATIPID pero san naman mapupunta yung matitipid..Napakaraming buwaya sa ibaba..Makaturangan ba himasukin narin ng mga private individuals ang mga health services, education na dating saklaw ng national govt...Parang ang laki ng galit nyo sa pangkaraniwang mamayang Pilipino...

Kasi hindi lang naman Metro Manila ang makikinabang ng pondo ng Pilipinas. Kelangan din yun sa iba't ibang lalawigan ng Pilipinas. Para maayos at madagdagan ang serbisyo ng mass rail transit, panahon na para itaas ang pamasahe nito.

Bakit napunta sa kamay ng mga kapitalista ang mga assets ng gobyerno? Tanungin nyo si Marcos at ang mga nagdaang administrasyon. Sa panahon ni Cory ang daming brownouts dahil bangkarote ang pamahalaan na nag-may ari ng Napocor dati - walang pondo nung umalis si Marcos para sa maintenance nito hanggang ngayon. Papatayin mo ba ang ekonomiya ng bansa kung hindi tuloy tuloy ang pagtakbo ng mga ito?

Isiping mabuti kung ganon din ang mangyari sa mass rail transit ngayon - hindi ito tatakbo ayon sa kagustuhan nyo kasi walang pondo kung pamahlaan ang mag may-ari nito. Heavily subsidized na nga ang MRT eh. Ang totoong presyo nyan kung wala ang pamahalaan ang tatakbo siguro ngayon ng mahigit P100 bawat pasahero.

So, either i cut off ang serbisyo o dagdagan ang pamasahe kung patuloy na patatakbuhin ang mga rail transit lines.

GANDAHAN MUNA ANG SERBISYO NILA....

MADAMI KASI MGA OPISYAL ng gobyerno LALOT SA MILITAR yun ang unang Dapat bawasan nila...Wala naman ginagawa ang iba.saksakan pa ng inutil kundi magpalaki ng tyan...tapos pasasahurin lang tiwali pa..

mas mabuti pang wag nalang magtipid kesa ang 2billion na maii save mapunta nanaman sa mga magnanakaw ng kaban ng bayan. madaming mas nasa ibabang pwesto ng pangulo at senador na mga CROCS...

Kahit sa panahon ni PNOY andami paring mandarambong na nasa ibaba nya.

GANDAHAN MUNA ANG SERBISYO NILA....

MADAMI KASI MGA OPISYAL ng gobyerno LALOT SA MILITAR yun ang unang Dapat bawasan nila...Wala naman ginagawa ang iba.saksakan pa ng inutil kundi magpalaki ng tyan...tapos pasasahurin lang tiwali pa..

mas mabuti pang wag nalang magtipid kesa ang 2billion na maii save mapunta nanaman sa mga magnanakaw ng kaban ng bayan. madaming mas nasa ibabang pwesto ng pangulo at senador na mga CROCS...

Kahit sa panahon ni PNOY andami paring mandarambong na nasa ibaba nya.

Paano pagagandahin ang serbisyo kung hindi magtaas ng pamasahe? Isipin mo kung isang beses lang sa isang linggo tatakbo ang mga yan. Malaking dagok sa ekonomiya yan lalo na't babagal ang movement ng goods and services sa lungsod at sa mga karatig bayan dahil parang isa sa mga national blood vessels of the economy ang EDSA na yan.

Kaya nga! bat yung NLEX at SLEX nung ni rehab at ginawa naningil na ba kaagad? Saka lang sila nagtaas nung rehabilitation complete na sya.

Sinong nagsabi di kami nagbabayad sa MRT. Tsismoso yun ah.Sarap balian ng buto....

Kahit ilang beses ako nagpabalik balik sa cubao para mag apply nagbabayad ako...FYI..Hindi ka makakalusot kung wla kang bayad..

Kaya nga! bat yung NLEX at SLEX nung ni rehab at ginawa naningil na ba kaagad? Saka lang sila nagtaas nung rehabilitation complete na sya.


Tandaan: private properties na yun before repairs at kaya na nilang i-sustain ang sarili nila even before they started rehabilitating. Itinaas nila yung toll fee para mabawi yung mga nawala sa kanila.

Pinapaalala lang natin ah:

Question, yung magiging bagong fare natin is Php 40-60 diba?
Nope. LRT 1 and 2, 15-25. MRT, 20-30

Kaala ko tlga ganun. Hindi naman pla malaki kung tutuusin eh. Marami lang kuripot.

Tandaan: private properties na yun before repairs at kaya na nilang i-sustain ang sarili nila even before they started rehabilitating. Itinaas nila yung toll fee para mabawi yung mga nawala sa kanila.
Magpakita muna sila ng pagbabago..Bago magtaas ng fare..yan ang reklamo ng mga commuters kahit mga nag oopisina..

Glitches stall LRT-1, MRT after 4-day maintenance work

Glitches hit the Light and Metro Rail Transit systems early Monday, less than 24 hours after both underwent maintenance checks during the Holy Week.
An LRT-1 coach suffered a glitch at 5:10 a.m. at the Libertad station in Pasay City, while an MRT coach stalled in Mandaluyong City due to under-voltage.
The glitch in the first incident involving an LRT-1 coach at Libertad station delayed LRT operations by six minutes, radio dzBB reported. At the time of the incident, the LRT coach was bound north towards Monumento in Caloocan City.
Worse for LRT-1 passengers, many of the exit stiles at the Libertad station were defective.
"May problema tayo lately sa gate dahil naubusan tayo ng spare parts para maayos ang regular na maintenance. Ang ginawa natin ngayon hinuhulog nila sa box ang card para mabilis ang exit nila," LRT Administration spokesman Hernando Cabrera said in an interview on dzBB radio.
(We have had problems with the stiles because we ran out of spare parts. For now we let the passengers drop their cards into a box and let them leave via a regular gate.)
On the other hand, an MRT train heading north stalled at the Shaw Boulevard Station at Mandaluyong City at 7:30 a.m. Cabrera said this was due to under-voltage for the MRT train.
This prompted MRT personnel to have the passengers get off, he said.
Ironically, the LRT and MRT had undergone a four-day Holy Week break since Holy Thursday last week, to undergo maintenance and repairs.
In past weeks, the LRT-1 had been plagued by glitches that delayed operations by several minutes, many of them involving a faulty door mechanism. - KBK, GMA News

source: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/glitches-stall-lrt-1-mrt-4-day-maintenance-052406799.html

^^the MRT and the two LRTS are already burned out. the fare hike is what our metro rails badly need right now to redeem them from this godforsaken condition.

whatever happend to UP's monorail?

After the O&M period, the LRT line 1 Cavite (South) extension project contractor is expected to assume overall responsibility for the integrated LRT line 1 and line 3 systems, said Reinoso.

Wait, ibig sabihin ba malapit nang simulan ang CEP/SEP?? :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

whatever happend to UP's monorail?

shelved until further notice :nuts:

^^ May contract na ah. Ano nangyari doon?

^^Hanggang bidding stage pa rin. Nawalan na ako ng amor sa LRT-SEP.

^^Hanggang bidding stage pa rin. Nawalan na ako ng amor sa LRT-SEP.

17 years ko nang hinihintay yan. :nuts:

Baka naman graduate na ko wala parinng nasisimulan jan. :))

Magpakita muna sila ng pagbabago..Bago magtaas ng fare..yan ang reklamo ng mga commuters kahit mga nag oopisina..

ang problema nga dito, walang pondo para sa pagbabago ..subsidized ng lang yang MRT/LRT ..pang sustain lang sa expenses ng line hindi kaya kasi nga subsidized ..sana naiisip mo yung point namin hindi yung puro point mo lang

^^ PLEASE don't argue with him. It'd be pointless.

^^ last na yan before i leave SSC ..and before this thread will be locked

Question lang.. magkano ba talaga ang ipapataw na dagdag sa fare hike ng LRT/MRT? Payag ako kahit 30 pesos from Baclaran to Roosevelt and vv.

Kung sobrang taas naman ng pamasahe sa LRT/MRT at konti lang ang gagamit nito. Hindi rin ito magiging solusyon sa problema ngayon ng LRT/MRT. Dahil kung mababawasan ang sasakay. Mababawasan din ang kita. Pag nabawasan ang kita. Wala rin ma iimprove dito. Kailangan talaga balanse ang pag increase ng pamasahe.

^^Malamang sa malamang hindi rin gaano kalaki ang itataas ng pamasahe. Sa tingin ko halos kapantay lang ng pamasahe sa mga bus.

You all should lower your expectations of an expanded and improved rail system under this current administration.

^^ is that statement based on reliable sources or rant lang dahil natalo ang manok mo?

ang problema nga dito, walang pondo para sa pagbabago ..subsidized ng lang yang MRT/LRT ..pang sustain lang sa expenses ng line hindi kaya kasi nga subsidized ..sana naiisip mo yung point namin hindi yung puro point mo lang

ganyan talaga pag corrupt ang gov't. lagi walang pondo. imbes napupunta sa mga projects, binubulsa lang. did you forget what happened to MWSS, pondo sa military, sa fertilizer scam, sa OWA, etc? di ba sana nakapagpatayo na ng mga ospital at paaralan sa perang binulsa lang? buti na lang hindi natuloy ang ZTE, if natuloy, for sure lalong wala na ulit pondo kasi ipambabayad lang natin yun sa utang na binulsa ng mga nakaupo at ng mga kamaganak. tapos hahanapan nila ng pandagdag na pondo sa mga kawawang mamamayan na walang alam kundi magbayad na lang.

ayusin sana ang pag audit at makita nila kung saan tumatagas ang perang binabayad sa buwis. yung muna ang unahin para hindi masasayang ang pera kung sakaling magdadagdag ulit sila thru fare increase. overpriced daw ang maintenance ng mrt pero wala naman follow thru at nakakasuhan. parang papogi lang lagi.

You all should lower your expectations of an expanded and improved rail system under this current administration.

I have found that lowering ones expectations of the Aquino government and its railway investment to the absolute minimum has the side effect of bringing on a pleasant surprise with even the smallest expenditure :lol:

Actually while it was looking bad (the second hand rollingstock for PNR debarcle being a good axample), he has made some moves that have given me renewed hope that he may invest more in the future of important rail infrastructure.

Pres. Acquino would rather adopt a Fabian tactic rather than a more bombastic one.

UP monorail already have the funds and scale models ...be patient. ~me has contacts.

Any pictures of the scale model?

It's yet to be unveiled in public. Haven't seen it myself, but my best friend who works inside DOST have seen it. That's all for now. I can update you guys when the construction starts, as almost every day I go to UP.

^^Yay! UP Monorail (scale model) coming up! :cheers:

I'm very excited about this project. I hope it gets started soon. I'm an isko so I think I could give regular updates about the project once the construction commences.

Sana naman masimulan na yan ASAP. Para masaya ang pag-tour sa UP Campus.. :lol::banana:

^^ano di narin matuloy ba yang UP rail system??

Tanong lang. Bahagi ba ng pag-aaral ng DoST ang paghabol sa capacity ng light rail/heavy rail ng monorail system? Kasi sabi ng DoST, they aim to upgrade Metro Manila's aging mass transit system while avoiding the cost of the other rails systems used in Metro Manila. But, looking at the daily rush hour scenes in our metro lines, something of a lesser capacity might not work will in major routes. Anyway, the results are yet to be seen. And I hope that it would be the solution that would offer the best bang for the buck.

As per DZMM, isang linya na lang RAW ang tumatakbo sa MRT ngayon. Pati MRT, binabato raw ng mga IS na pinapaalis sa Laperal. Actually, I saw one MRT na huminto before sabihin yung naturang report.

MGA G@GO tlga IS kht kelan!

^^ nakakainis talaga kahit kailan.

^^Way to go They clearly show that they are the anti-progress lawless dregs of the Philippine society.

Normal na ang situation ng MRT. May mga dumadaan nang tren southbound (kung san andun ang batuhan kanina). Bukas na rin ang EDSA.

OT: Siguro kelangan nang iamend ang Lina Law. Spoon fed na masyado mga IS eh.

hay talaga naman........ kasama sa pambabato yung tae....:storm:.....

lech kasi mga politico... yan si Binay i'm sure yan mga taga Laperal ang nag papanalo sayo.... Kamoteng Lina Law at mga politiko na nag aalaga sa mga IS, walang ka ase asenso talaga....

Ang labo din nung mga IS eh. Parang... ano magagawa ng pagbabato nyo sa LRT? Mababalik bahay nyo? Walang point.

sana lumayas na sa Maynila ang mga hampas lupa na yan. pumapangit ang siyudad dahil sa kanila. halata namang mga tamad at halang ang kaluluwa

^^ di sila puwedeng lumayas. Kailangan sila ng mga politikos. :nuts:

Hindi raw nila paalisin yung mga di nadamay ng sunog. Ano yan? Aantayin ang part II kung san madadamay nanaman ang MRT?

Galit na galit nga si Junjun Binay kay Robredo kasi di dinagdagan ng pulis dyan from other MM cities. 500 lang daw kasi ang nasa Makati. Kelangan may process pang sundin kht huli na lahat sabi nung pulis na nakausap ni Mayor. nakakakainis lang!

Hindi raw nila paalisin yung mga di nadamay ng sunog. Ano yan? Aantayin ang part II kung san madadamay nanaman ang MRT?

Galit na galit nga si Junjun Binay kay Robredo kasi di dinagdagan ng pulis dyan from other MM cities. 500 lang daw kasi ang nasa Makati. Kelangan may process pang sundin kht huli na lahat sabi nung pulis na nakausap ni Mayor. nakakakainis lang!

tarang%@#$ yan si Robredo, walang kwenta mga alagad ni abnoy talaga............ sus.. pag kakataon na iyan mabawasan ng slum dog area pinabayaan pa... Hindi naman pababayaan yung mga maralita talaga :bash:

mas tanga ang mayor na hindi nag-anticipate na magkakaroon ng gulo. ang tagal-tagal na ng mga binay sa Makati bat ngayon lang sila nagdedemolish? kasi tapos na election?

Masyado lang consious ang presidente natin sa image nya kaya puro na lang populist policies ang pina-iiral.

huh? anong kinalaman ng presidente dyan? local issue yan

Kasi ang common mis conception ay ang presidente ang may hawak sa lahat. Kahit ganyang kasimpleng bagay. Pag nananawagan para sa tulong presidente. Pag tumaas ang presyo ng bilihin, presidente.

^^ Yun nga problema eh lalo na yung nasa mababang sector. Pinaiiral nila ang poor filipino mentality na kung san lahat nasa Presidente ang sisi. Kaya nga nakakabanas sila minsan pati yung ibang leftist. May masabi lang, kht hindi na reasonable at nonsense.

Tignan niyo yung fare hike kinontra. Kaya raw madalas nasisira ang LRT-MRT para matulak yan. WTH??? Isasakripisyo ba ng gobyerno ang buhay ng mga pasahero ng tren o anumang public transpo para sa mga proyekto nila? Baliw yung ibang makakaliwa eh. Di nag-iisip kadalasan ng sasabihin eh.

Kya ako, di leftist or rightist. Dapat both sides tinitignan. HAYYY!

Si binay ang may kasalanan nyan kasi hindi Nya naisip na magra-riot ang mga hampas lupa

"Ganyan sila sa Makati, sana ganyan na rin sa buong bayan!"

Remember that?!

Makati essentially has two faces, the poshy CBD and epicly rich villages...and the squatters den.

Hayyy Binay!

Marikina residents prepare for demolition

MANILA, Philippines - Thousands of residents of Brgy. Tumana in Marikina have built a human barricade in preparation for the demolition of their homes reportedly scheduled Friday.

Some residents in motorcycles are also circling the area to serve as lookout.

The residents were given the option to acquire their respective lands to stop the demolition, but they refused.

The residents said the man posing to be owner of the Tumana property, a certain Don Joaquin, is not the real owner.

The P25,000 asking price for administrative fees was also too high for the residents, leading some to suspect extortion.

From about 5,000 homes in Brgy. Tumana, some 300 are set to be demolished first.

A little off topic but... they were GIVEN A CHOICE AND REFUSED!

Si binay ang may kasalanan nyan kasi hindi Nya naisip na magra-riot ang mga hampas lupa

Inaantay pa kasing dumami ang IS eh at yun nga "nagagamit" ng ilang pulitiko. Dapat bago manganak ang IS sa isang city, binabantayan na yan lalo sa riles. Tska bago ang demolition, dapat masinsinang dialogue ang mangyari with the police, local gov't at syempre ng IS na di mo maintindihan ang ugali (papayag sa relocation then pag ayan na ang araw nila, parang ewan lang).

Lahat iexplain na sa mga yan ang programa at most of all, wag nang gawing election props. Di lang naman mahihirap tao sa Pinas na dapat pagtuunan eh, kundi LAHAT TAYO :)

OT:
My thesis last semester is about Makati. FYI, konti na lang mga squatters' area sa Makati. VP Jojo gave most of them decent tenements to live in. Yung mga squatters' area sa Makati, panahon pa ni Nemesio Yabut yun. VP Jojo just inherited them. Yung mga nakatira sa mga squatters' area sa Makati, sila yung mga matitigas ang ulo na ayaw umalis kahit may ginawang tenement na Makati gov't. para sa kanila.

Back to regular programming:
Kailangan na talaga ng fare hike. Or kung wala talaga, just privatized the MRT/LRT.

Kailan magkakaroon ng monthly pass o equivalent sa LRT o MRT? Maraming oras ang nasasayang sa haba ng pila pagkuha ng magnetic card.

OT:
Back to regular programming:
Kailangan na talaga ng fare hike. Or kung wala talaga, just privatized the MRT/LRT.

Asahan na sa June eh meron na.

Kailan magkakaroon ng monthly pass o equivalent sa LRT o MRT? Maraming oras ang nasasayang sa haba ng pila pagkuha ng magnetic card.

Ano pong monthly pass? Kung gusto nyo po, Flash Pass. Pero one week lang po iyan.

Kailan magkakaroon ng monthly pass o equivalent sa LRT o MRT? Maraming oras ang nasasayang sa haba ng pila pagkuha ng magnetic card.

AGREED.

Or the best solution pa rin ay CONTACTLESS SMART CARD. :)

Ang alam ko, yung turnstiles/faregates ng LRT1 NEP ay meron feature para dito (dinemonstrate nga ni PGMA during occular inspection dati). Ang hinihintay nalang ay execution and the creation of the smart card itself (for local use)

:)

Magagawa lang yan pag may MRT-7 na. :nuts:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/04/20/11/firms-expected-join-forces-lrt-1-mrt-3
Firms expected to join forces for LRT 1, MRT 3

MANILA, Philippines - Firms interested in the 2 railway systems in the Metro are expected to join forces and create consortiums after the government ruled that only those experienced in electric rail systems can participate in the auction.

Some 45 firms submitted their letters of interest to bid for the operation and management (O&M) of Light Rail Transit (LRT) 1 and Metro Rail Transit (MRT) 3. They have paid the corresponding participation fee of P10,000, making them eligible to purchase bid documents from April 27 to May 4.

However, not all 45 firms are experts in running electric mass rail systems.

The Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) said that an eligible bidder must have completed at least one similar project, or is currently engaged in one, worth at least P7 billion in order to advance to the next step of the bidding rules.

"Monorail experience and other non-rail based systems will not qualify. Only electrified mass rail systems will qualify. We want serious bidders," noted DOTC Undersecretary Ruben Reinoso Jr., who is also the chairman of the Special Bids and Awards Committee (SBAC) of the agency.

"Any of the 45 firms who wishes to partner with a foreign or local firm that did not participate in the submission of expression of interest can still procure bid documents. They can even form a consortium as long as one of them participated in the submission of expression of interest and paid the P10,000 fee," Reinoso added.

The submission and opening of bids is slated on July 11. Those who will participate will have to pay a non-refundable fee of P500,000. They are also required to submit audited financial statements which are duly stamped "received" by the Bureau of Internal Revenue.

Those entities with pending issues with the DOTC or any of its attached agencies are not qualified to join the bidding. Conflicts of interest among bidders shall not be allowed.

The DOTC is setting aside an approved budget of P14 billion for the O&M of LRT 1 and MRT 3. The budget already includes taxes, power cost, utilities, insurance, among others.

The project involves outsourcing of the O&M of Line 1 and Line 3, which will be auctioned as a single contract. As both lines are currently independent of each other, the proposed contract will be for a period of 4 years, extendible by another year, in preparation for the integration of the 2 lines and turnover to winning bidder.

After the O&M period, the LRT line 1 Cavite (South) extension project contractor is expected to assume overall responsibility for the integrated LRT line 1 and line 3 systems, said Reinoso.

"At the end of the year, the DOTC will go to the market to bid the south extension project. Whoever wins will also operate the integrated lines 1 and 3 but this will be after the O&M period. This is geared towards an integrated system," added the DOTC official.

Among the 45 firms that have expressed their interest to participate are corporate giants Metro Pacific Investment Corp., Ayala Corp., San Miguel Corp., and First Philippine Holdings Corp.

AGREED.

Or the best solution pa rin ay CONTACTLESS SMART CARD. :)

Ang alam ko, yung turnstiles/faregates ng LRT1 NEP ay meron feature para dito (dinemonstrate nga ni PGMA during occular inspection dati). Ang hinihintay nalang ay execution and the creation of the smart card itself (for local use)

:)

For some time we already had that however unlike in other countries where there's a discount, mark-up pa dito each time you top it up and tap in and out. I also hope that so-called smartcard system can be used in other kinds of establishments, kahit 711 or McDo.

Here's another concern: I noticed that the seating areas in our railways get full quickly. In fact they get full at the first station. Whereas in HK and SG, there are seats available most of the time. How come?

I hope a company with expertise like bombardier will win the contract for mrt.

I hope a company with expertise like bombardier will win the contract for mrt.

That would be nice.

For some time we already had that however unlike in other countries where there's a discount, mark-up pa dito each time you top it up and tap in and out. I also hope that so-called smartcard system can be used in other kinds of establishments, kahit 711 or McDo.

Here's another concern: I noticed that the seating areas in our railways get full quickly. In fact they get full at the first station. Whereas in HK and SG, there are seats available most of the time. How come?

At Baclaran kasi, maraming maarte. Ayaw nila sakyan yung dulong coach (pag 2G or 3G). Kaya pagdating ng EDSA, napupuno kaagad yun. Eh sa last coach, marami pang upuan. :nuts: Sa 1G trains naman, sadyang maliit ang train. :nuts:

At Roosevelt station naman, kapag peak hours, 2 skip trains muna bago mag-sakay sa Roosevelt. Hinihintay muna kasi dumami yung tao.

At Monumento station, uhm, nevermind. :lol::nuts:

At Taft Avenue and North Avenue station, same as Baclaran scenario sa 1G. :nuts:

Kailan magkakaroon ng monthly pass o equivalent sa LRT o MRT? Maraming oras ang nasasayang sa haba ng pila pagkuha ng magnetic card.

Why don't the LRT/MRT have fare cards available sa mga bangko and sa mga convenience stores para hindi na magpipila sa mga card machine sa mga train station. The value of the cards is the same price if you pay in the machine or any outlets that sells the metro card, like the weekly card.

^^ Propose that to the LRTA.

LRT Depot from Philippine Railways

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^^nako maruming tubig bat ganyan di yan linilinis...? kala ko ba malilinis na mga canals dyan and other creek, river..

guys, I e-mailed DOST regarding the UP monorail project. Fortunately, they replied. Ito sabi...

We would like to call the "UP Monorail" as the Automated Guideway Transit or AGT. The project is on-going with a 150 meter test-track already built inside the DOST. We are currently in the testing stage of the rolling stock, that is the bogies and chassis. Meanwhile we have subcontracted the fabrication of the coach (body) to a bus body manufacturer.

Take note that the DOST is only focused on the technical aspect of the project. UP is in charge of identifying the route and in handling the economic and social feasibility studies. You may want to contact Mr. Mike Tomeldan of the UP Architecture at mvtomeldan1@yahoo.com.

Thank you for your inquiry.

Regards,
Robert Dizon
Assistant Secretary for Strategic Plans and Programs
Department of Science and Technology

^^What could be the proposed route and the corresponding stations of the AGT?

wow what a helpful email. nice!

^^What could be the proposed route and the corresponding stations of the AGT?

sent an e-mail to Mr. Tomeldan already. I asked him if the route has been identified already. Let's wait for his reply.:)

Aba'y napaka-bait pala ng mga taga-DOST! :banana:

I never thought they'd reply.

Aba'y napaka-bait pala ng mga taga-DOST! :banana:

OT: Oo naman. DOST is largely an apolitical organization. :okay:

^^ Kuya Shaider, diba nag-work ka din doon? :ahihihi: este... :lol:

Teka, kung local bus body manufacturer ang gagawa ng RS, sino kaya ang gagawa?

^^

Sarao

^^ LOL...


responsive talaga ang DOST, since it is mostly handled by people from the academe. Grabe, ambilis nun ah...scale model few weeks back ngayon nasa testing stage na.

^^ Kuya Shaider, diba nag-work ka din doon? :ahihihi: este... :lol:

Teka, kung local bus body manufacturer ang gagawa ng RS, sino kaya ang gagawa?

Yup. :)

Why have it in UP? Sayang naman kung pangpalit lang sa Ikot jeepney. Low impact. Maybe it should be constructed in a more visible area like the Fort or perhaps SM-MOA. In the case of the latter, those multicabs are already becoming a problem in that area. It would be nice to have a monorail serve that area. Later, it can be extended to the other areas being developed parallel to MOA.

Because UP is also a government school. it's easier than building one in a private area.

^^

Sarao

:rofl: :rofl:

Kaso baka maging kamukha yan ng AdTranz trains ng LRTA. :nuts::nuts:

I wonder why we don't have trams.

^^MRT-3 and LRT-1 is a glorified tram.

And all our extensive tram network was destroyed in World war 2

It'd be cheaper to lay trams on existing roads is all.

^And get ruined by the lack of maintenance and retarded drivers and squatters?

baka santarosa na rin ang gagawa.. sila ung nag ayos nung NR 01 sa PNR diba

Singapore monorail:

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223470_2.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223447_2.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223459_2.jpg

SMRT

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223418_2.jpg

It'd be cheaper to lay trams on existing roads is all.

Wala pang isang taon, wala na mga trams natin. :nuts:

baka santarosa na rin ang gagawa.. sila ung nag ayos nung NR 01 sa PNR diba

Yep, SR ang nag-ayos. Well, sana nga sila ang gumawa. Para feeling mo naka-sakay ka sa bus. :lol:

di bagay sa atin ang monorail kasi populated tayo, almost the same area ang manila at singapore but singapore has only 6 million population while metro manila has 17 million....kahit baliktarin ang mondo di pwede sa atin ang low dense transport

di bagay sa atin ang monorail kasi populated tayo, almost the same area ang manila at singapore but singapore has only 6 million population while metro manila has 17 million....kahit baliktarin ang mondo di pwede sa atin ang low dense transport

Sa UP naman iyan ilalagay eh. So okay lang.

^^ Sa Baguio or sa Tagaytay, baka puwede doon.. :nuts:

Bakit di na lang ilagay sa Batasan? Yung byaheng loop sa Commonwealth and Batasan Road? Para may constant reminder ang mga congressmen about the need to have high quality public transport in this country.

pwede kaya yung hanging LRT ang dating? yung poste ay nasa gilid ng kalsada lang tapos ang railings ay nasa ibabaw

^^Alam ko may ganyan nang system sa Germany at sa Japan.

Bakit di na lang ilagay sa Batasan? Yung byaheng loop sa Commonwealth and Batasan Road? Para may constant reminder ang mga congressmen about the need to have high quality public transport in this country.

Magrereklamo mga congressmen. Sa Pork Barrel nila kukunin eh. :nuts:

Saan ba tatahak ang proposed na Republic Avenue?

^^ Ano pong line iyan?

Singapore monorail:
http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223447_2.jpg


Singapore pala eto? Mukhang sa marikina lang kasi kulay Pink. Harharharharhar

^^Ano na nangyari sa UP diliman monorail project, nasan na yung pinagyayabang nila?

MRT 7 seen completed in ’14


By Paolo Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:40:00 05/05/2011

Filed Under: Railway, Road Transport, Infrastructure, Investments


MANILA, Philippines—Conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) expects to complete two of its big-ticket infrastructure projects—the MRT 7 train line and a new highway to La Union—by 2014 and 2015, respectively.

In a disclosure earlier this week, the company said it would start work on the Metro Rail Transit (MRT) line 7 project—involving the construction of a 22-kilometer train line and the six-lane road beneath it—before the end of the year.

The project is estimated to cost $1.5 billion, with 25 percent to be funded by equity and the rest through loans.

SMC expects to shell out over $190 million for the project.

“It is expected to take three and a half years from the fourth quarter of 2011 to complete MRT 7,” SMC said.

The MRT 7 project will have 14 train stations from San Jose del Monte in Bulacan to the corner of North Avenue and Epifanio de los Santos Avenue (Edsa) in Quezon City.

It will be linked with the MRT-3 train line and the Light Rail Transit (LRT) line 1 via a common station in North Avenue.

On Nov. 8, 2010, SMC acquired a 51-percent equity interest in Universal LRT, which holds the concession for MRT-7, a planned expansion of the metro rail system in Manila, home to more than 10 million people.

MRT 7 is one of the several rail extension projects for the existing metro rail system, which services Metro Manila.

SMC will have 25 years to operate the train line.

In the meantime, the conglomerate said the first phase of the Tarlac-Pangasinan-La Union Expressway (TPLEx) project, the stretch from Tarlac to Carmen, Pangasinan, was scheduled for completion by August 2012.

Revenue collection through toll will start immediately after the first phase is opened, “while the remainder of the expressway is projected to be completed by August 2014,” SMC said.

SMC currently holds a 25-percent stake in TPLEx concessionaire Private Infrastructure Development Corp. (PIDC), which is a joint venture between DM Consunji Inc. and DM Wenceslao & Associates Inc.

SMC has the right to increase its stake in the company through a P3.32-billion equity investment, which will help fund the project. This will increase SMC’s interest in the company to a controlling 51 percent.

The project cost for the development of TPLEx was estimated at P821.6 billion, which will be funded by a combination of debt (45.8 percent), equity (40.8 percent) and Philippine government subsidy (13.4 percent.)

The government subsidy will be available at the start of construction of Stage 3 of TPLEx, the section from Urdaneta to Rosario, Pangasinan.

SMC seals largest equity deal in PH


By Daxim Lucas
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:41:00 05/05/2011

Filed Under: Financing an Stock Offerings, Markets & Exchanges, Conglomerates, business


MANILA, Philippines—Shares of San Miguel Corp., the country’s largest food and beverage firm, ended slightly below the offer price of its $970-million issue—the largest equity deal in the local stock market to date, and the largest share sale in Southeast Asia in over 10 years.

At the end of trading Thursday, the conglomerate’s shares stood at P109.50 apiece compared with the selling price of P110 amid weak appetite for stocks worldwide.

Despite this, San Miguel president Ramon Ang urged investors to hold on to their shares, which he described as “undervalued.”

“They should hold on to these shares because they are very valuable,” he told reporters after Thursday’s ceremonies at the Philippine Stock Exchange (PSE).

Before a trading halt ahead of the offer period last month, San Miguel’s shares stood at P153.

The San Miguel chief pointed out that the company is now in full compliance with the PSE’s requirement for listed firms to have publicly traded shares equivalent to at least 12 percent of their total outstanding equity.

“With this issue, our free float is now close to 15 percent,” he said. Before the share sale, San Miguel’s free float stood at only 8 percent.

Ang drew parallels with the 2008 initial public offering of its subsidiary, San Miguel Brewery Inc., which struggled with its market debut of P8 per share, but now trades at P30 apiece.

Earlier this year, investors drove up the company’s share price on speculation a push into higher-return energy, transport and telecommunications businesses would boost earnings.

San Miguel and controlling stockholder Top Frontier Investment Holdings Inc. sold shares at P110 each. The bonds that are convertible to shares offer an annual coupon of 2 percent and a conversion premium of 25 percent to the offer price.

The foodmaker said it had set aside 189.1 million common shares from its treasury for the $600 million convertible bonds, sold to overseas investors and with a three-year maturity.

San Miguel will use the proceeds from the fundraising to finance infrastructure projects while Top Frontier will repay loans from its own investors.

The company, which started as a brewer in 1890, had about $2.9 billion in cash at the end of 2010

Di hamak na may experience sa management ang SMC kumpara sa mga naunang nag-manage ng mga railway lines sa Metro Manila. I hope they succeed with MRT 7.

MRT 7 seen completed in ’14


By Paolo Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:40:00 05/05/2011

Filed Under: Railway, Road Transport, Infrastructure, Investments


MANILA, Philippines—Conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) expects to complete two of its big-ticket infrastructure projects—the MRT 7 train line and a new highway to La Union—by 2014 and 2015, respectively.

In a disclosure earlier this week, the company said it would start work on the Metro Rail Transit (MRT) line 7 project—involving the construction of a 22-kilometer train line and the six-lane road beneath it—before the end of the year.

The project is estimated to cost $1.5 billion, with 25 percent to be funded by equity and the rest through loans.

SMC expects to shell out over $190 million for the project.

“It is expected to take three and a half years from the fourth quarter of 2011 to complete MRT 7,” SMC said.

The MRT 7 project will have 14 train stations from San Jose del Monte in Bulacan to the corner of North Avenue and Epifanio de los Santos Avenue (Edsa) in Quezon City.

It will be linked with the MRT-3 train line and the Light Rail Transit (LRT) line 1 via a common station in North Avenue.

On Nov. 8, 2010, SMC acquired a 51-percent equity interest in Universal LRT, which holds the concession for MRT-7, a planned expansion of the metro rail system in Manila, home to more than 10 million people.

MRT 7 is one of the several rail extension projects for the existing metro rail system, which services Metro Manila.

SMC will have 25 years to operate the train line.

In the meantime, the conglomerate said the first phase of the Tarlac-Pangasinan-La Union Expressway (TPLEx) project, the stretch from Tarlac to Carmen, Pangasinan, was scheduled for completion by August 2012.

Revenue collection through toll will start immediately after the first phase is opened, “while the remainder of the expressway is projected to be completed by August 2014,” SMC said.

SMC currently holds a 25-percent stake in TPLEx concessionaire Private Infrastructure Development Corp. (PIDC), which is a joint venture between DM Consunji Inc. and DM Wenceslao & Associates Inc.

SMC has the right to increase its stake in the company through a P3.32-billion equity investment, which will help fund the project. This will increase SMC’s interest in the company to a controlling 51 percent.

The project cost for the development of TPLEx was estimated at P821.6 billion, which will be funded by a combination of debt (45.8 percent), equity (40.8 percent) and Philippine government subsidy (13.4 percent.)

The government subsidy will be available at the start of construction of Stage 3 of TPLEx, the section from Urdaneta to Rosario, Pangasinan.

Yeaaman!

it's nice to finally see an update for MRT7... probably they're also waiting to have that weird Commonwealth Rotund construction in Fairview to finish before adding the traffic mayhem for its own construction.. hehehe...

DMCI-Marubeni bags $1.1-billion MRT-7 project
by PNR, MRT, LRT in the Philippines (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=183338581706111) on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 8:09pm

By Mary Ann Ll. Reyes (The Philippine Star) Updated May 05, 2010 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - DM Consunji Inc. (DMCI), a wholly-owned subsidiary of DMCI Holdings Inc. and Japan’s Marubeni Corp., have signed a contract for the engineering, procurement, construction and commissioning of the Metro Rail Transit System of the MRT-7 project with Universal LRT Corp. (BVI) Ltd. for $1.1 billion.

The Marubeni-DMCI consortium will execute and warrant the works for the 22-kilometer rail system which starts from San Jose del Monte, Bulacan and ends at the integrated MRT Line 3- MRT Line 7 station at North Avenue, EDSA in Quezon City, with combined elevated and at-grade guideway sections for a period of 42 months.

Company officials said this infrastructure project will further address the transportation needs of the riding public and alleviate traffic in Metro Manila, particularly traffic going to and coming from Northern Luzon.

It was earlier reported that diversifying conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) has signed a memorandum of understanding with the controlling owner of MRT-7 for the acquisition of a majority stake in the railway project.

SMC president Ramon Ang earlier told The STAR that an MOU has already been entered into with businessman Salvador “Buddy” Zamora III, who owns 63 percent of Universal LRT Corp. (ULC), which, in turn, wholly owns the MRT-7 project, whereby Zamora will sell his majority interest in ULC to SMC.

Zamora acquired majority control of the ULC consortium in 2008 from its original proponent, Israeli businessman Eli Levin.

Ang also revealed that they are also exploring possible investment in a light rail transit project in Cebu, as well as other projects in Cagayan de Oro, Davao and Iloilo.

The STAR earlier reported that SMC is interested in building a bullet train railway that will run the Laoag-Manila-Bicol route.  Ang said they have commissioned a group that includes international companies with experience in bullet trains to study the possibility of building a bullet train railway that will run from the north to the south end of Luzon.

Meanwhile, when asked how much the 63 percent stake in ULC would cost and when the actual sale will be made, Ang said SMC is still undertaking due diligence work.

MRT 7 is a build-“gradual transfer”-operate, maintain and manage project for the development, financing, operation and maintenance of a 22-kilometer light rail transit route that extends from the MRT Line 3’s North Edsa terminal to San Jose del Monte, Bulacan.

ULC earlier said that it has tapped Morgan Stanley as its financial advisor to raise equity and debt needed to finance the construction of the project.

ULC vice-chairman Roberto de Ocampo said that while it is true that Morgan Stanley has approached SMC to be part of the project, there are other interested parties who are also in talks with the financial advisor.

In response, a source from SMC said Zamora may just have failed to inform De Ocampo that an agreement has already been reached between SMC and Zamora.

Earlier, SMC said it has been offered a majority interest in MRT 7 and that the company is negotiating with the members of the consortium of the project. There were reports that SMC was already in the “advanced stages of negotiation” to take control of ULC,  the consortium tasked to build the MRT 7 project.

Aside from Zamora, other stakeholders in ULC include the SM Group of Companies, which plans to put up a mall in San Jose del Monte, Bulacan that will have an access to the MRT 7 line.

SMC has been expanding from its core food and beverage business and into heavy industry such as power, infrastructure and telecommunications to fuel faster future growth.

The MRT 7 project involves the construction of a 22-km light rail transit system carrying at least half a million passengers a day.

The project also includes an intermodal transport terminal—a transportation hub for buses and other forms of public conveyances—in San Jose del Monte, as well as a 22-km, six-lane feeder highway from the northern end of the line to Bocaue, Bulacan. This highway will link the intermodal terminal to the North Luzon Expressway.

As envisioned by the proponents, the rail component of MRT 7 project will initially operate 108 rail cars in a three-car train configuration. Initial capacity is projected at 448,000 passengers a day, but will eventually be expanded to accommodate as many as 850,000 passengers daily.

The rail line will have 14 stations, namely: North EDSA, Quezon Memorial Circle, University Avenue, Tandang Sora, Don Antonio, Batasan, Manggahan, Doña Carmen, Regalado, Mindanao Avenue, Quirino, Sacred Heart, Tala and Araneta San Jose Del Monte.

The intermodal terminal, on the other hand, will be able to accommodate 60 buses and will also feature passenger facilities and amenities.

The entire project is expected to be fully completed in 42 months, although parts of it may be made operational in phases.

Once completed, ULC will operate and maintain the rail service, the intermodal terminal and the highway for a period of 25 years. The government will get a 30-percent share of net passenger revenues and a 20-percent share of other earnings.

The rail and road network is expected to cost as much as $1.3 billion, while the commercial and residential developments that are expected to rise along the route would cost another $2 billion.

^^ Good thing DMCI would be the lead contractor in the MRT-7 project.

LRT2 Santolan, 10mins ago

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/beee9689.jpg

^^ wait, naguguluhan ako...joint venture ba ng SMC at DMCI ang MRT-7?

anyway, this surely a big boost to our economy so tiis lang muna sa traffic habang ginagawa yung line.

Marubeni Corp (Japan)/DM Consunji E & C are joint venture in MRT 7
while SMC acquired a 51-percent equity interest in Universal LRT, which holds the concession

Singapore monorail:

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223470_2.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223447_2.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223459_2.jpg

SMRT

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223418_2.jpg

They are wide and usually have vacant seats. I wonder why only those in the first station in our metro systems benefit from the seats...

I like the looks of the Skytrain, the one that ferries between Terminals 1,2 and 3 of Changi Airport

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4233786_2.jpg

^^ Good thing DMCI would be the lead contractor in the MRT-7 project.

Contractor - Marubeni
Subcontractor - DMCI

MRT 7 seen completed in ’14

By Paolo Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:40:00 05/05/2011


MANILA, Philippines—Conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) expects to complete two of its big-ticket infrastructure projects—the MRT 7 train line and a new highway to La Union—by 2014 and 2015, respectively.

In a disclosure earlier this week, the company said it would start work on the Metro Rail Transit (MRT) line 7 project—involving the construction of a 22-kilometer train line and the six-lane road beneath it—before the end of the year.

The project is estimated to cost $1.5 billion, with 25 percent to be funded by equity and the rest through loans.

SMC expects to shell out over $190 million for the project.

“It is expected to take three and a half years from the fourth quarter of 2011 to complete MRT 7,” SMC said.

The MRT 7 project will have 14 train stations from San Jose del Monte in Bulacan to the corner of North Avenue and Epifanio de los Santos Avenue (Edsa) in Quezon City.

It will be linked with the MRT-3 train line and the Light Rail Transit (LRT) line 1 via a common station in North Avenue.

On Nov. 8, 2010, SMC acquired a 51-percent equity interest in Universal LRT, which holds the concession for MRT-7, a planned expansion of the metro rail system in Manila, home to more than 10 million people.

MRT 7 is one of the several rail extension projects for the existing metro rail system, which services Metro Manila.

SMC will have 25 years to operate the train line.

In the meantime, the conglomerate said the first phase of the Tarlac-Pangasinan-La Union Expressway (TPLEx) project, the stretch from Tarlac to Carmen, Pangasinan, was scheduled for completion by August 2012.

Revenue collection through toll will start immediately after the first phase is opened, “while the remainder of the expressway is projected to be completed by August 2014,” SMC said.

SMC currently holds a 25-percent stake in TPLEx concessionaire Private Infrastructure Development Corp. (PIDC), which is a joint venture between DM Consunji Inc. and DM Wenceslao & Associates Inc.

SMC has the right to increase its stake in the company through a P3.32-billion equity investment, which will help fund the project. This will increase SMC’s interest in the company to a controlling 51 percent.

The project cost for the development of TPLEx was estimated at P821.6 billion, which will be funded by a combination of debt (45.8 percent), equity (40.8 percent) and Philippine government subsidy (13.4 percent.)

The government subsidy will be available at the start of construction of Stage 3 of TPLEx, the section from Urdaneta to Rosario, Pangasinan.

great update on mrt7 kahit parang recycled na lang.

LRT2 Santolan, 10mins ago

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/beee9689.jpg

its SCHOOL bound lol

^^ baka trainee ang operator. :lol:

great update on mrt7 kahit parang recycled na lang.

nicely said. ako, dalang dala na ako sa mga ganyang balita. 4th quarter pa ng 2009 nila sinasabi yan eh. until now kahit isang poste wala pang naitatayo. nakakailang press release na. i think hanggang press release lang sila. i wouldn't keep my hopes up unless i see deep excavations and kahit isang column ang naitatayo.:bash::bash::bash:

^^ Hindi na kayo nasanay...parang GCT lang yan. :nuts:

hindi po..its been used by a certain school for their educational tour madalas ako ko makita yan sarap nga ehh pabalik balik lang sila from end to end station

^^

i think its school train = new driver under going train driving training....

^^Uhm, 'defensive' train driving training, eh? :lol:

Kadalasan pag school eh may bago ngang driver. Naka-kita ako ng 3G school train dati eh.

^^ the 3G school train, aside from training new drivers, is also used to familiarize drivers with the new train (i have read it somewhere)

Dapat 2G na lang yung ginagamit nila eh. :nuts:

LRT2 Santolan, 10mins ago

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/beee9689.jpg

"school" hahaha sana ganto school bus ko, este school train.:nuts:

Dapat 2G na lang yung ginagamit nila eh. :nuts:

^^ Tama.. i-familiarize na dapat ng mga MRT train operator ang 2G. :lol:

^^ HMP. Ano ba yan. <_< :nuts:

LRT2 Santolan, 10mins ago

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/beee9689.jpg

Meanwhile in the FAILippines....



:lol:

Meanwhile in the FAILippines....



:lol:
In fairness, that photo is true. Most of the time, Recto Bound is School Bound. LRT is a school train, especially June to March. :D

Badtrip. Wala nanamang fare hike. Pag-aaralan pa daw kung kelan i-implement. Ang dami kasing tumututol eh!! :bash:

^^Oh see, eh di nahirapan din silang i-implement. :lol:

Meanwhile in the FAILippines....



:lol:

maybe you should ride the lrt-2 everyday...and see that most of its passengers are students.

Marubeni Corp (Japan)/DM Consunji E & C are joint venture in MRT 7
while SMC acquired a 51-percent equity interest in Universal LRT, which holds the concession

Sana naman simulan na yung LRT7... Ang tagal na kasi eh. Dati sabi sa 4th quarter ng 2010... Tapos nadelay ginawang 2nd quarter ng 2011... Tapos sabi nanaman ngayon 4th quarter ng 2011... Ano ba yan... :nuts:

Hindi ba LRTA ang hawak kapag natapos nito? Para united na ang Rail System natin sa Metro Manila... Maganda pa naman ang management ng LRTA... :cheers: Universal LRT ba hawak ng LRT7... Sana ilipat nila sa LRTA... :)

Oo nga pala, bakit hindi pa pinapalitan ang LED signage sa 3G? "MONUMENTO" pa rin ang nakasulat... Bakit ayaw nilang palitan ng "ROOSEVELT"? LED naman ang nakadisplay eh. Pwede palitan yun di ba? :nuts:

^^ MRT-7 is not under the operational purview of the LRTA, but the LRTA does oversee the project as it does with all other rail lines.

Oo nga pala, bakit hindi pa pinapalitan ang LED signage sa 3G? "MONUMENTO" pa rin ang nakasulat... Bakit ayaw nilang palitan ng "ROOSEVELT"? LED naman ang nakadisplay eh. Pwede palitan yun di ba? :nuts:

Pwede naman po, pero papalitan lang once gawa na yung GCT.

Pwede naman po, pero papalitan lang once gawa na yung GCT.

Kung ganon, matagal pa pala mapapalitan yun :nuts:

^^ Yung sa 2G na muna ang papalitan. Ilalagay FOR MRT use only... :nuts:

BTW, anu nang update sa fare hike? Mukhang naging HAIR Hike na ni Abnoy ito ah.. :lol:

^^ Yung sa 2G na muna ang papalitan. Ilalagay FOR MRT use only... :nuts:

BTW, anu nang update sa fare hike? Mukhang naging HAIR Hike na ni Abnoy ito ah.. :lol:

^^Ito ang update: No update

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LRT/MRT fare hike deferred (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=684415&publicationSubCategoryId=63)
By Rainier Allan Ronda (The Philippine Star)
Updated May 10, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) has postponed indefinitely the plan to raise fares at the Light Rail Transit (LRT) Lines 1 and 2, and the Metro Rail Transit (MRT) along EDSA.

Dante Velasco, DOTC undersecretary for the road transport sector as well as head of public information, management information systems and the Action Center, said that the Light Rail Transit Authority (LRTA) board of directors met yesterday and decided not to raise fares just yet.

Velasco said that the LRTA board headed by Transportation Secretary Jose de Jesus saw that the timing was not good for a fare hike, considering the rising prices of basic goods and services.

“Basically, it was decided that it was not the time to raise fares at the three rail lines,” Velasco said, adding that the decision was in line with President Aquino’s order to ease the burden on commuters.

The DOTC had come up with a proposal to raise fares to reduce the huge billion-peso subsidy of the national government to the LRTA and for the DOTC to operate the three rail lines.

The LRTA last February deferred implementation of the hefty fare hikes to allow a review of the proposed rates by the Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board (LTFRB).

The LRTA had earlier set the implementation of the fare hike on March 1.

The LRTA has so far implemented the previous provisional fare adjustment of P11 base fare plus P1 per succeeding kilometer on its Line 1 and 2 systems, while the DOTC also approved the similar fare adjustment requested by the MRT.

The LRTA board had also approved the issuance of student discounts of 20 percent.

The MRT, which runs from North Avenue to EDSA-Pasay Taft, currently has a maximum fare of P15.

LRT 1 currently has a maximum fare of P20, from its south end station in Baclaran, Parañaque City to its north end station in Balintawak, Quezon City.

LRT 2, on the other hand, has a maximum fare of P15, from its east end station in Santolan, Pasig City to its west-end station in C.M. Recto Avenue in Manila.

And yet they complain na kelangan nila ng budget. :|

Tanungin natin ke sa Bossing ko na NCCP Chairman...Baka mapaliwanagan kayo..Kahit ako nabara tungkol sa HAIR HIKE este farehikes.

Badtrip. Wala nanamang fare hike. Pag-aaralan pa daw kung kelan i-implement. Ang dami kasing tumututol eh!! :bash:

Ask mo kasi si NCCP chairman isa sya sa mga humarang hehehehe

Sabihin nyo dyan sa chairman nyo wala siyang alam.

ano, masaya na kayo? Para makapag-inuman kayo ng magdamagan?

Ah ganon anong walang alam??? Gusto mo ba mabara???? Ako nga nabara dahil sa usaping fare hike....Talagang inisip nya ang kapakanan ng nakakarami. Ako nga sahod ko sa pamasahe pa lang talo na...Baka kayo mga nagsasalita dyan sa Forum hindi kayo makasagot sa harap nya... Kung me galit kayo sa isa sa humarang sa FH.. Dumulog kayo sakanya... Dun nyo sabihan na WALA SYA ALAM....

Sumabat nanaman ang walang alam, ang alam lang kase ay magp@+@ba sa bahay...

At dapat munang walang fare hike, dahil 22 php ang ECOLA na binigay sa mga manggagawa! tsk tsk....

Wala na kayo magagawa Iilan lang kayo karamihan ang sasabihin Di pa napapanahon talaga!

MAG JAC!!! LANG SA CR ANG MGA ALAM NYAN.. BAKA DI NGA NAKIKINIG SA 92.3 NEWS FM O GMA NEWS TV... BAKA PURO BTV lang

Okey ang fare hike pero sana huwag ganong kabigat, medyo maganda na yung piso kada istasyon tuladng pinakitang price sa TV Patrol, halimbawa ng roosevelt ay from 20 - 30 maski papano nasa minimum pa rin kumpara sa bus na ang laki ng itinaas from 20 - 30 to 60 per kilometer at basta kapag tumataas ang diesel ay tumataas bigla ang rate. At okey sana basta ba gaganda ang serbisyo tulad ng mabilis na interval ng mga tren at paggana muli ng mga ticketing machine tulad ng sa line 1 halos hindi gumagana at maiiwasan ang mga aberya sa byahe.

Hindi naman po kasi all-out to 60 pesos ang fare hike. 30 pesos max sa Line 1, 25 pesos max sa Line 2 and 3. Babawasan lang naman po ang subsidy dyan para nga naman marami pang magawang infra projects.

Pakiusap lang, iwasan na natin ang bangayan dito. Please lang.

ano na final design ng MRT7? is just like MRT3?

dahila walang hike, TUMIGIL KAYO SA KAKAREKLAMO SA MABABANG ANTAS NG SERBISYO ..WAG KAYO MAGHANGAD NG MAGANDANG SERBISYO DAHIL WALA KAYONG MAGANDANG BAYAD ..PAG AKO NAKARINIG NG MGA REKLAMO SA INYO, PINATUTUNAYAN NYONG WALA KAYO SA LUGAR

I like the looks of the Skytrain, the one that ferries between Terminals 1,2 and 3 of Changi Airport

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4233786_2.jpg
mas maganda yung sa KL, high tech talaga, although may bus version yun ang PAL

Singapore monorail:

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223470_2.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223447_2.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223459_2.jpg

SMRT

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P4223418_2.jpg
ganito rin kaya kaluwag ang interior ng MRT7?

mas maganda yung sa KL, high tech talaga, although may bus version yun ang PAL

this? it's actually cramped and hot, and the ride is not smooth. and it bogged down one time I took it.

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P3060097a1.jpg

this? it's actually cramped and hot, and the ride is not smooth. and it bogged down one time I took it.

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/P3060097a1.jpg


mas maganda yung sa KL, high tech talaga, although may bus version yun ang PAL



tama!! mas maganda pa din yung sa Singapore... yung crystal mover sa LRT lines nila...

from wikipedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Singaporecrystalmover.JPG

no, I am talking about the Monorail at KL International Airport not the KL Monorail. tapos pagbaba sa Monorail, may almost 1km na lalakarin pa papuntanng immagration para tatakan yung passport

Just wanna share a simple video of my way home taking the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) bus and subway...

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dahila walang hike, TUMIGIL KAYO SA KAKAREKLAMO SA MABABANG ANTAS NG SERBISYO ..WAG KAYO MAGHANGAD NG MAGANDANG SERBISYO DAHIL WALA KAYONG MAGANDANG BAYAD ..PAG AKO NAKARINIG NG MGA REKLAMO SA INYO, PINATUTUNAYAN NYONG WALA KAYO SA LUGAR
Tsk Tsk KID nga naman...... Talagang Di nauunawaan ang mga min wage workers. Manuod kayo kasi mga dokyu sa GMA news TV o mga kagaya ng Reporters Notebook... Ika nga ni Chairman NCCP san nalang napupunta ang karamihan ng sinasahod ng mga karaniwang mangagawa sa Taas Pasahe. Ito na nga lang ang safe kompara sa mga barumbadong bus drivers sa EDSA. Adovocacy nga talaga sya ng mga commuters right at interest. Mapa Bus, Dyip, Rail Commuters..

Para pang malaking sampal yung additional Cola.. P22??? E mas mataas pa nga yung proposed FH kesa Additional COLA..Kulang parin.. Talagang Mahihirapan ang mga MIN wage earners. Bukod sa lahat ay nagtataasan.
Isa pa sa nabanggit nya sapat ang kinikita for maintainance. Ang dapat nalang gawin i reconstruct ang scheme ng pagkakautang kung sinong gumawa dyan.

Pag nagttrabaho na kayo mararanasan nyo yan.. Hindi porket graduate ka magsisimula ka sa mataas na sahod nagkakamali kayo. Sa panahon ngayon kung ano nalang inaaplyan para magkatrabaho lang...

Tsk Tsk KID nga naman...... Talagang Di nauunawaan ang mga min wage workers. Manuod kayo kasi mga dokyu sa GMA news TV o mga kagaya ng Reporters Notebook... Ika nga ni Chairman NCCP san nalang napupunta ang karamihan ng sinasahod ng mga karaniwang mangagawa sa Taas Pasahe. Ito na nga lang ang safe kompara sa mga barumbadong bus drivers sa EDSA. Adovocacy nga talaga sya ng mga commuters right at interest. Mapa Bus, Dyip, Rail Commuters..

Para pang malaking sampal yung additional Cola.. P22??? E mas mataas pa nga yung proposed FH kesa Additional COLA..Kulang parin.. Talagang Mahihirapan ang mga MIN wage earners. Bukod sa lahat ay nagtataasan.
Isa pa sa nabanggit nya sapat ang kinikita for maintainance. Ang dapat nalang gawin i reconstruct ang scheme ng pagkakautang kung sinong gumawa dyan.

Pag nagttrabaho na kayo mararanasan nyo yan.. Hindi porket graduate ka magsisimula ka sa mataas na sahod nagkakamali kayo. Sa panahon ngayon kung ano nalang inaaplyan para magkatrabaho lang...

Sumabat nanaman ang walang alam, ang alam lang kase ay magp@+@ba sa bahay...

At dapat munang walang fare hike, dahil 22 php ang ECOLA na binigay sa mga manggagawa! tsk tsk....

Kung ayaw ninyo fare hike, fine. Wala tayong problema diyan. Ako okay lang sa akin rin.

Pero wag kayo magreklamo kung palpak ang serbsiyo ng mga riles natin.

Sige, sinabi ninyo iyan ah. Eh total, what you pay is what you get. Ayan, that's what you get:

-siksikan sa mga tren
-mahabang waiting time (i.e. paminsan more than 10 minutes)
-train breakdowns (i.e. more than one breakdown per month)
-insufficient services

Total naman, that's what you guys asked for eh.

So yun ah, walang magdadakdak at magbubukas ng bunganga ah. Kung hindi.......
:bash:

Just last night in TV Patrol, they posted a poll for whose not or whose in favor of the MRT/LRT Toll hike, the results were 45 for yes and 55 for No. Then Korina Sanchez-Roxas snapped: "Siguro yung mga pabor e de-kotse at nag-tataxi lagi." I was like :nuts: and then :lol: and then :hilarious:. As if the toll hike is a bane to the condition of the railways and the progress of the country.

Walang problema kung hindi pabor o tutol sa Fare Hike. Pero stick to the topic of the Fare Hike isyu, hindi yung kung anu-anu pinagsasabi na hindi naman related sa isyu. Sasabihan ka pa na wala kang malasakit sa tao gawa pabor ka sa Fare Hike. Anu kaya yun. Tama ba yun?

Yun nga eh. Namemersonal na. Ah, bahala na slila diyan. LET'S PARTY!!!!

:dance:

P15B nalugi sa gobyerno sa privatization ng MRT

BINATIKOS ang planong pagbebenta ng Metro Rail Transit-Light Rail Transit (MRT-LRT) dahil sa halip na kumita ng sariwang pondo ang pamahalaan, nalugi pa ng P15 bilyon sa kasunduan sa ilalim ng Public Private Partnership Program.

Ito ang binulgar nitong Linggo, Mayo 8, ni Sen. Ralph Recto na pawang pay-out ang P15 bilyon price tag sa privatization ng MRT-LRT sa nagwaging bidder at hindi kumita ang pamahalaan sa naturang kasunduan katulad ng ipinalalabas ng administrasyon.
“The people, before any translation is lost, should be informed that the P15-billion price tag for the bundled MRT-LRT privatization is the amount that government will pay to the winning bidder and not the amount that it would earn from the transaction,” giit ni Recto.
Sinabi ni Recto na simpleng ibig sabihin ng unang proyekto sa ilalim ng Public-Private Partnership (PPP) Program na kaagad malulugi ng P15 bilyon, sa halip na makakalap ng sariwang kita sa desisyon na “ipamigay” ang dalawang mahahalagang mass transport system.

Inilantad ni Recto, chairman ng Senate ways and means committee, na ibabayad ng gobyerno ang naturang P15 bilyon sa nagwaging bidder na magpapatakbo at magmementine ng MRT-LRT lines.
Ipinaliwanag ni Recto na sa ilalim ng O&M contract (operated and maintain), hindi obligado ang nagwaging private operator na magpasok ng sariwang pondo sa pamamagitan ng karagdagang rolling stocks o coaches at rail infrastructure.
“If such is the case, this will give the PPP project a bad name. Later on, pag ganyan ng ganyan, aayaw ang tao dyan at magagalit sila,” giit niya.
Aniya, dapat pangatwiranan ng economic manager sa Palasyo ang P15 bilyong pay-out sa pribadong operator kumpara sa halos P7 –P8 bilyon na ilalabas ng gobyerno kada taon para sa subsidyo sa pasahe upang mapanatili ang mababang pasahe para lamang sa pasahero ng MRT lamang.

Sinabi pa ni Recto na ipinasubasta ng PPP ang MRT-LRT lines na dapat magresulta ng mas mababang halaga ng pasahe dahil idinidikta ng PPP na dapat makipag-unahan sa mababang singil sa pasahe at hindi makipag-unahan upang itaas ang pasahe.

http://www.remate.ph/2011/05/p15b-nalugi-sa-gobyerno-sa-privatization-ng-mrt/

Ah ganon anong walang alam??? Gusto mo ba mabara???? Ako nga nabara dahil sa usaping fare hike....Talagang inisip nya ang kapakanan ng nakakarami. Ako nga sahod ko sa pamasahe pa lang talo na...Baka kayo mga nagsasalita dyan sa Forum hindi kayo makasagot sa harap nya... Kung me galit kayo sa isa sa humarang sa FH.. Dumulog kayo sakanya... Dun nyo sabihan na WALA SYA ALAM....

Sumabat nanaman ang walang alam, ang alam lang kase ay magp@+@ba sa bahay...

At dapat munang walang fare hike, dahil 22 php ang ECOLA na binigay sa mga manggagawa! tsk tsk....

Kinakausap mo sarili mo?


Hindi naman po kasi all-out to 60 pesos ang fare hike. 30 pesos max sa Line 1, 25 pesos max sa Line 2 and 3. Babawasan lang naman po ang subsidy dyan para nga naman marami pang magawang infra projects.

Ulitin natin ah, para maliwanag. Kainis kasi eh.

Tsk Tsk KID nga naman...... Talagang Di nauunawaan ang mga min wage workers. Manuod kayo kasi mga dokyu sa GMA news TV o mga kagaya ng Reporters Notebook... Ika nga ni Chairman NCCP san nalang napupunta ang karamihan ng sinasahod ng mga karaniwang mangagawa sa Taas Pasahe. Ito na nga lang ang safe kompara sa mga barumbadong bus drivers sa EDSA. Adovocacy nga talaga sya ng mga commuters right at interest. Mapa Bus, Dyip, Rail Commuters..

Para pang malaking sampal yung additional Cola.. P22??? E mas mataas pa nga yung proposed FH kesa Additional COLA..Kulang parin.. Talagang Mahihirapan ang mga MIN wage earners. Bukod sa lahat ay nagtataasan.
Isa pa sa nabanggit nya sapat ang kinikita for maintainance. Ang dapat nalang gawin i reconstruct ang scheme ng pagkakautang kung sinong gumawa dyan.

Pag nagttrabaho na kayo mararanasan nyo yan.. Hindi porket graduate ka magsisimula ka sa mataas na sahod nagkakamali kayo. Sa panahon ngayon kung ano nalang inaaplyan para magkatrabaho lang...

Kung ayaw niyong mag-fare hike, maglakad na lang kayo.

Yug COLA? Matuwa na kayo kesa wala. Sige ah... ipatupad natin yung P125 na hiling niyo... in few months time wala na kayong trabaho. Pag-aralan ang economics, ah.

Hindi masamang umangal. Ilagay lang sa tamang lugar. :cheers:

MRT, LRT di magtataas ng pasahe sa pasukan

MAGANDANG balita para sa mga mag-aaral, office workers at iba pang commuters ng Metro Rail Transit (MRT) at Light Rail Transit (LRT), dahil hindi magtataas ng pamasahe ang dalawang pangtransportasyong serbisyo sa Hunyo, kung kalian magsisimula ang pasukan sa eskwelahan.

Sinabi ni Secretary Jose “Ping” de Jesus, kalihim ng Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC), na walang pagtaas-pasahe sa MRT at LRT upang mapagaan ang gastusin ng mamamayan, lalo na ng mga mag-aaral ngayong pasukan.

Nilinaw ni De Jesus, sa pamamagitan ni Transportation and Communications spokesman Dante Velasco, na ang hakbang ay ginawa bilang pagtalima sa kautusan ni Pangulong Benigno Aquino III na maalalayan ang mga mamamayan sa araw-araw na pamumuhay.
“Wala na munang taas-pasahe sa LRT at MRT, lalo na sa opening ng klase ng mga mag aaral,” ani Velasco. “Ayaw na naming madagdagan pa ang gastusin ng taumbayan kaya hindi na dapat mangamba ang mga magulang ng mga mag-aaral sa inaasahang taas-pasahe dito dahil hindi ito mangyayari.”

Sinabi rin ni Velasco na patuloy pa rin ang paghahanap ng dagdag na mahusay na serbisyo-publiko sa mga mananakay sa bansa upang ligtas at maayos na mararating ng mga ito ang kani-kanilang destinasyon sa bansa.

Una nang inabisuhan ni Pangulong Aquino ang pamunuan ng DOTC na bigyan pa ng mas mahusay na serbisyo ang taumbayan para sa pagkakaroon ng maayos na pamumuhay.

http://www.remate.ph/2011/05/mrt-lrt-di-magtataas-ng-pasahe-sa-pasukan-%E2%80%93-dotc/

Sige ah... ipatupad natin yung P125 na hiling niyo... in few months time wala na kayong trabaho. Pag-aralan ang economics, ah.

Sure yan na mawawalan sila ng trabaho pag all-out to 125 ang wage hike. At kapag nangyari yan, mas lalo silang magra-rally... :nuts:

My goodness. :ohno:

I really hope that we don't get to the point where fare hikes become inevitable. It's important that government be proactive this time, and act according to what it believes is in the best interests of the riding public? Is it keeping fares low but with mediocre service, or increasing fares but being able to invest in actually improving the quality of commuting in Metro Manila? The former is becoming increasingly untenable as the latter becomes more necessary: you simply can't invest in infrastructure where there's no funds!

I understand the apprehension of some forumers here when they claim that fare hikes will hurt their pockets. But at least have some sensibility to the long term. We can't keep on thinking about the now when the future is important as well. At least we know the fare hikes will go towards a more noble purpose: actually improving the service for the benefit of those who will patronize the LRT and MRT, and even the PNR, in the future.

no, I am talking about the Monorail at KL International Airport not the KL Monorail. tapos pagbaba sa Monorail, may almost 1km na lalakarin pa papuntanng immagration para tatakan yung passport

That's called the AeroTrain at KLIA and its not a monorail system..

Hmm. The LRT/MRT is basically faster than the bus, jeep or FX it's competing with, and yet it costs less? That just doesn't make any sense. The government is subsidizing each passenger's ticket, increasing fares means the government will simply be subsidizing less, but still is subsidizing! Doesn't make any sense either. Only fishballs didn't change prices.

I'd say adjust fares 1 peso each year. Until everyone meets middle-ground.

Tsk Tsk KID nga naman...... Talagang Di nauunawaan ang mga min wage workers. Manuod kayo kasi mga dokyu sa GMA news TV o mga kagaya ng Reporters Notebook... Ika nga ni Chairman NCCP san nalang napupunta ang karamihan ng sinasahod ng mga karaniwang mangagawa sa Taas Pasahe. Ito na nga lang ang safe kompara sa mga barumbadong bus drivers sa EDSA. Adovocacy nga talaga sya ng mga commuters right at interest. Mapa Bus, Dyip, Rail Commuters..

Para pang malaking sampal yung additional Cola.. P22??? E mas mataas pa nga yung proposed FH kesa Additional COLA..Kulang parin.. Talagang Mahihirapan ang mga MIN wage earners. Bukod sa lahat ay nagtataasan.
Isa pa sa nabanggit nya sapat ang kinikita for maintainance. Ang dapat nalang gawin i reconstruct ang scheme ng pagkakautang kung sinong gumawa dyan.

Pag nagttrabaho na kayo mararanasan nyo yan.. Hindi porket graduate ka magsisimula ka sa mataas na sahod nagkakamali kayo. Sa panahon ngayon kung ano nalang inaaplyan para magkatrabaho lang...


BOSS so ayaw mo sa 22 pesos? Umaayaw ka sa gracia, bigas na ayaw mo pa tukain....... eh talagang hindi ko maintindihan ang gusto mo..... Communista ka malamang anak ng..... Ayaw mo sa fare hike, toll hike, gusto mo subsidiya sa pamasahe at siguro sa lahat ng bagay tapos AYAW mo sa 22 pesos na COLA??? Anak ng "brother sa EUROPE ka ba nakatira"? Marami ba tayong pera? Marami bang pera gobyerno natin? Germany ata tingin mo sa Pilipinas eh hahaha... suma total ng kwento walang pera ang gobyerno para isalba lahat ng kaluluwa dito.... pasensyahan....

Me messenger kami sa office, nung tumaas ang mga bilihin hindi na siya nag MRT at Bus.... nag bibike siya....... Nag rereklamo siya siempre pero gumagawa siya ng paraan....... putcha

^^ Everything you said is TRUE! It's something people don't get.

Excuse my ignorance about this fare hike since I've not been watching news lately.

Just a stupid question. Isn't the reason why MRT & LRT managements want to increase their fares is because the government is cutting its subsidy for MRT/LRT? If that is the case, parang walang magi-gain ang MRT/LRT management... I'm wondering how they will improve their services kung ganon nga ang case?

Kawawa naman kaming mga mamamayan na mga probinsyano na kung saan ang kahirapan ay tunay na nararanasan. kulang sa mga gamit sa paaralan, bako-bakong kalsada. samantalang sa kamaynilaan, nagpapasasa ang karamihan sa pagsakay sa train na ang prebelihiyo na tinatamasa ay galing sa kaban ng bayan. kahit naman sana mabawasan ang inaabuno ng pamahalaan sa sinasakyan nyong train, imbes ay idagdag na ang pundo para sa mga proyekto sa kanayunan. magising ka naman kaibigang bungo, nagpapakamasa ka, ngunit hindi mo nakikita ang tunay na tinatamasa ng masang pilipino dito sa kanayunan. ang P15 bilyon na binibigay ng pamahalaan sa MRT/LRT bilang suporta, kung yan ay gagamitin sa probinsya, ilang kilometro ng kalsada ang magagawa nyan, ilang paaralan na ang mapapagawa, ilang libong aklat na ang maipamamahagi sa mga magaaral. sana naman bawasan mo na ang kakitiran ng iyong pagiisip. at lalo ng matuto kang magbigay sa bayan, hwag lang na palagi mong iisipin kung ano ang maibibigay ng bayan saiyo.

Kawawa naman kaming mga mamamayan na mga probinsyano na kung saan ang kahirapan ay tunay na nararanasan. kulang sa mga gamit sa paaralan, bako-bakong kalsada. samantalang sa kamaynilaan, nagpapasasa ang karamihan sa pagsakay sa train na ang prebelihiyo na tinatamasa ay galing sa kaban ng bayan. kahit naman sana mabawasan ang inaabuno ng pamahalaan sa sinasakyan nyong train, imbes ay idagdag na ang pundo para sa mga proyekto sa kanayunan. magising ka naman kaibigang bungo, nagpapakamasa ka, ngunit hindi mo nakikita ang tunay na tinatamasa ng masang pilipino dito sa kanayunan. ang P15 bilyon na binibigay ng pamahalaan sa MRT/LRT bilang suporta, kung yan ay gagamitin sa probinsya, ilang kilometro ng kalsada ang magagawa nyan, ilang paaralan na ang mapapagawa, ilang libong aklat na ang maipamamahagi sa mga magaaral. sana naman bawasan mo na ang kakitiran ng iyong pagiisip. at lalo ng matuto kang magbigay sa bayan, hwag lang na palagi mong iisipin kung ano ang maibibigay ng bayan saiyo.

TAMA KA!! Bopols talaga ang mga taga maynila (yung puro libre ang gusto) na sarili lang nila iniisip mga demonyitong leche... mga anak ng DIYOS..... Tayong mga taga nayon at probinsiya walang masabi... hay

Kalokohan talaga lahat ng subsidiya na binibigay sa mga Taga Metro Manila

Kingdiz- kinorrect ko hehehe yung mga free rider lang at mga feeling lamak sila sa mata ng Diyos hahaha pare pareho lang tayong mga Pilipino, tapos sila gusto panay subsidy.... Manila boy din ako....

Aray! Taga maynila ako! :))) pero agree ako sa fare hike.

Sana taasan na ang pamasahe sa MRT para lumuwag-luwag naman. Kung wala kayo pamasahe, maglakad na lang kayo. Reklamo kayo ng reklamo, ang tatamad naman ninyo magtrabaho.

Excuse my ignorance about this fare hike since I've not been watching news lately.

Just a stupid question. Isn't the reason why MRT & LRT managements want to increase their fares is because the government is cutting its subsidy for MRT/LRT? If that is the case, parang walang magi-gain ang MRT/LRT management... I'm wondering how they will improve their services kung ganon nga ang case?

i've been asking this question several times now. but it seems no one here were able to answer this. they just keep on saying it will improve if there's a fare hike, but when ask how, they don't know. :bash::bash::bash:

^^ for one, they can get more machines for the tickets.

i've been asking this question several times now. but it seems no one here were able to answer this. they just keep on saying it will improve if there's a fare hike, but when ask how, they don't know. :bash::bash::bash:

Ang intention kasi ng gobyerno ay bawasan ang subsidy i.e. not going to zero... So ang premise po ay fare hike + minor decrease in subsidy = a little bit more money to improve train service..... Hindi naman po eto zero sum financial equation, hindi naman siguro ganoon ka bopols ang mga taga DOTC na nag ooperate ng mass rails natin.

Pero ang DOTC kasi, bumukas palang ang bibig tungkol sa fare hike eh umuulan na ng tae at ihi kaya dun palang wala na usapan....

Ang intention kasi ng gobyerno ay bawasan ang subsidy i.e. not going to zero... So ang premise po ay fare hike + minor decrease in subsidy = a little bit more money to improve train service..... Hindi naman po eto zero sum financial equation, hindi naman siguro ganoon ka bopols ang mga taga DOTC na nag ooperate ng mass rails natin.

Pero ang DOTC kasi, bumukas palang ang bibig tungkol sa fare hike eh umuulan na ng tae at ihi kaya dun palang wala na usapan....

sorry. but i think the premise you are saying is fare hike = decrease in subsidy. please read about the previous news article about their reason for asking the fare hike. about the "little bit more money" to improve train service, where do you think they will get that?

one thing i also noticed. its been a while, the gov't seems like reducing its obligation to the people. almost all gov't assets are being sold to private companies. but they are more intensive at collecting and inventing new ways to get more taxes. isn't it if you sell a gov't asset and just regulate it, the gov't saves more money (that is according to them.) but why is it they still say they still don't have money. pataas pa ng pataas yung mga taxes natin? di ba dapat ang equation is "selling gov't assets = less overhead expense = more saving?" that could lead to more infrastructures or at least lower taxes because the gov't saves more money? but seeing the news, its like its giving me an impression the more money the gov't saves, the more money are being put to the politicians pockets. nakakalula na nga pakinggan. doon ako nanghihinayang. sa perang ilang taong nakukurakot ng ilang politiko sa napupunta lang sa kanila. hindi ko pinanghihinayan ang perang nasusubsidize ng gov't na napapakinabangan ng mga mamamayan. tama ba? kasi may balik naman yan like productivity and efficiency ng mamamayan who are paying taxes. when they are more productive. more work is being done. more business benefits from that. that means more taxes sa gov't. as for corruption, walang balik. yung ang perang patapon at nasasayang.

sorry. but i think the premise you are saying is fare hike = decrease in subsidy. please read about the previous news article about their reason for asking the fare hike. about the "little bit more money" to improve train service, where do you think they will get that?

one thing i also noticed. its been a while, the gov't seems like reducing its obligation to the people. almost all gov't assets are being sold to private companies. but they are more intensive at collecting and inventing new ways to get more taxes. isn't it if you sell a gov't asset and just regulate it, the gov't saves more money (that is according to them.) but why is it they still say they still don't have money. pataas pa ng pataas yung mga taxes natin? di ba dapat ang equation is "selling gov't assets = less overhead expense = more saving?" that could lead to more infrastructures or at least lower taxes because the gov't saves more money? but seeing the news, its like its giving me an impression the more money the gov't saves, the more money are being put to the politicians pockets. nakakalula na nga pakinggan. doon ako nanghihinayang. sa perang ilang taong nakukurakot ng ilang politiko sa napupunta lang sa kanila. hindi ko pinanghihinayan ang perang nasusubsidize ng gov't na napapakinabangan ng mga mamamayan. tama ba? kasi may balik naman yan like productivity and efficiency ng mamamayan who are paying taxes. when they are more productive. more work is being done. more business benefits from that. that means more taxes sa gov't. as for corruption, walang balik. yung ang perang patapon at nasasayang.

Hey genius don't believe everything you read and hear from the media because that is the stupidest group of people you should get data from...... I have zero respect for media people the world over......... they print material that will sell tv shows and newspaper... not the facts so let us move away from the article and focus on the intent of the government.... if they could privatize mrt they would but that is a disaster so they'll settle for somewhere in between subsidizing a little bit and running it as a business, which means not running it into the ground with break-even analysis some posters here think the intention of DOTC is... Now PNR their GM is stupid with a break-even analysis but not sure about DOTC and MRT management.

Where do you think the government gets to feed all the unemployed in this country? where do we get all the money we have to rebuild all the destroyed roads from typhoons...... The world ain't easy and running the PHilippines is a nightmare, you think its abcdefghijk at 123456789????????? Specially kung napaka simplistic mag isip ng tao nakow, it is hard to explain to people... What you said is all correct except you oversimplify things to a point that you assume we're running a small barrio instead of 7,100 islands with insurgency, massive poverty and a corrupt bureacracy... and oh by the way, there is a congressional report on how money is spent and you can ask the COA to give you a report of previous year spending.....

Isn't the ridership too big enough to give them the payback they need? I think they have been overloading since day one and that should have given them the extra money they need.

^^^^

at the moment, over capacity pero sobrang baba ang pamasahe kaya at the end of the day kailangan ng government subsidy.

sa privatization, who wouldn't want to have a slice of the pie? anjan na ang infrastructure pati na ang ridership tapos may pabaon pang P15 billion mula sa gobyerno... ano pa ang hahanapin ng isang investor? sigurado namang pag nawala na sa kamay ng gobyerno ang mga yan walang ibang mangyayari kundi ang itaas ang pamasahe.

Isn't the ridership too big enough to give them the payback they need? I think they have been overloading since day one and that should have given them the extra money they need.

basic financial analysis 101: rider(volume) * price point = revenue. Revenue less expenses = net incokme or loss. Me problema yung pricing ng mrt. Napaka mahal mag pagawa ng mass rail. Kulang ang unit price charge

Ok if that's the case, does that mean the reason for the fare hike is not just the government's cutting the fare subsidy but also because MRT and LRT are running on a loss?

Hey genius don't believe everything you read and hear from the media because that is the stupidest group of people you should get data from...... I have zero respect for media people the world over......... they print material that will sell tv shows and newspaper... not the facts so let us move away from the article and focus on the intent of the government.... if they could privatize mrt they would but that is a disaster so they'll settle for somewhere in between subsidizing a little bit and running it as a business, which means not running it into the ground with break-even analysis some posters here think the intention of DOTC is... Now PNR their GM is stupid with a break-even analysis but not sure about DOTC and MRT management.

i see. so you're saying they are stupid people and don't listen nor get information from them? its almost as if everyone is stupid in your point of view. so you suggest we listen to you instead?

Where do you think the government gets to feed all the unemployed in this country? where do we get all the money we have to rebuild all the destroyed roads from typhoons...... The world ain't easy and running the PHilippines is a nightmare, you think its abcdefghijk at 123456789????????? Specially kung napaka simplistic mag isip ng tao nakow, it is hard to explain to people... What you said is all correct except you oversimplify things to a point that you assume we're running a small barrio instead of 7,100 islands with insurgency, massive poverty and a corrupt bureacracy... and oh by the way, there is a congressional report on how money is spent and you can ask the COA to give you a report of previous year spending.....

oohh i see... so the government is feeding all the unemployed in this country? and typhoons destroy roads now? by the way, where do you get your facts? you seem so knowledgeable.... :lol::lol::lol:

^^ I agree with you on EVERYTHING.


As for s40, can you prove that the media's wrong? I don't see you giving us information. Or at least... Provable information. Can you prove that the govt' is feeding the unemployed? Because if they are, might as well not get a job anymore. As for the stupid GM, I don't see you running any company.

^^ I agree with you on EVERYTHING.


As for s40, can you prove that the media's wrong? I don't see you giving us information. Or at least... Provable information. Can you prove that the govt' is feeding the unemployed? Because if they are, might as well not get a job anymore. As for the stupid GM, I don't see you running any company.

back to topic :)

i see. so you're saying they are stupid people and don't listen nor get information from them? its almost as if everyone is stupid in your point of view. so you suggest we listen to you instead?

oohh i see... so the government is feeding all the unemployed in this country? and typhoons destroy roads now? by the way, where do you get your facts? you seem so knowledgeable.... :lol::lol::lol:

You see here is my tip to both you and kingdiz........ more than meets the eye, a little bit more of critical thinking..... always look at the bigger picture and think strategically.... by the way both of you post if i interview you for a job in my company.... 1st interview palang bagsak na kayong dalawa.... konting abstract thinking lang.... halimbawa, saan napupunta ang pera ng gobyerno? aba eh ang laki ng debt = debt payment.... nag privatize ng mga bases = aba diba modernization plan..... bumagyo, me 1 billion crop damage, aba bigyan ng bagong pananim ang mga farmer thru dept of agriculture, aba me bagong MILF offensive, bigyan ang AFP ng auxilliary funding para makapag palipad ng mga attack helicopter, pang bili ng bala, pang bili ng sardinas para pakainin ang mga sundalo naka combat tour................ Nag tataka kayo saan napupunta pera ng gobyerno?? ganun... alam naman natin lahat me corruption improve naman natin ng konti ang discurso dito

Yes don't trust the media, because end of the day they will write what sells... In my company we have journalist on the payroll to write good stuff about our company when we're about to release a new product or earnings release........ tawag dun PR. why do you think people like Ted Failon and Noli Decastro make soo much money because abs-cbn give them big salaries? hahaha you kids have to grow up. most high profile journalist in philippines make money from businesses..... in order to become a high profile journalist you have to write stuff that sell......... so facts here and there will get twisted and nice headlines used............

OK back to MRT - fare hike... it will be used to lessen subsidy (not 0) and hopefully bring MRT back into the black so some business for privatization will get interested to buy it and make money out of it. Ngayon depende yan sa paniniwala ninyo sa economics do you want (a) small govt or (b) big govt ala big broder...... most businessmen want small govt' and make all the money making interest a private concern....:nuts:

can anybody post some detials of the final approved design of MRT 7?

Ok if that's the case, does that mean the reason for the fare hike is not just the government's cutting the fare subsidy but also because MRT and LRT are running on a loss?

Ever since naman eh. Once lang nakapag-gain ng profit ang LRTA. Kasi kung walang subsidy, 60 pesos up ang pamasahe. Then, walang sasakay. In short, lalangawin at magsasara.

More bidders up for LRT, MRT operation auction (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=200&articleId=685355)

By Jun Pasaylo Home (PhilStar)
Updated May 12, 2011 04:54 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Two more companies expressed interests for the auction for the operation and maintenance of the Light Rail Transit (LRT) and Metro Rail Transit (MRT).

Hernando Cabrera, spokesperson of Light Rail Transit Authority (LRTA), said Japan’s Mitsubishi Corporation and Spain’s CAF, S.A. Construcciones Y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles S.A. Padilla have purchased bid documents for the P14 billion operation and maintenance of LRT Line 1 and MRT 3.

Other foreign companies who purchase the P500,000 bid documents were Marubeni Corp.,Sumitomo Corp. Serco and Finmeccanica.

Local companies that will join the bidding were Metro Pacific Light Rail Corp., Ayala Corp.,San Miguel Corp.'s Optimal Infrastructure Development Inc.; Jorgman Planning & Development't Corp.; Romero's Ecorail Transport Services Inc., APT Global Inc., Kempal United Corp. and Abratique & Asso. Phil. Inc.

The pre-bid conference is scheduled on May 16, while the opening of the bids is on July 11.

“We expect the notice of award in July… We want the winning bidder to be on board for a six-month transition. By January 2012, we hope it can start the operation,” said Ruben Reinoso, chairman of the DOTC-Special Bids and Awards Committee.

pag nabili ang bid.. i mean kung sino mananalo sa bid.. we expect changes?!

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/05/09/11/p15-b-tag-lrt-1-mrt-3-om-contract-questioned
P15-B tag for LRT 1-MRT 3 O&M contract questioned

By Butch Fernandez, Business Mirror
Posted at 05/09/2011 11:55 AM | Updated as of 05/09/2011 4:09 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Saying that a P15-billion “payout” by the government to the winning bidder in the privatization of Metro Rail Transit-Light Rail Transit (MRT-LRT) cannot be compensated for by the P7 billion to P8 billion in annual state subsidies it will henceforth be spared from funding, Sen. Ralph Recto on Sunday asked the Executive to be up-front with taxpayers in the first major bidding under the administration’s flagship Public-Private Partnership (PPP) Program.

“The P15-billion pasalubong to the winning private bidder may be justified but the prospect of commuters eventually paying higher MRT-LRT fares negates such justification,” Recto said on Sunday.

He urged the government to be forthright to the Filipino people by disclosing that the P15-billion price tag for the privatization of MRT-LRT is actually a “payout” to the winning private bidder, and not the other way around.

The senator pointed out that if the MRT-LRT rates were to be raised just as soon as a private party took over the light-rail system, then there is no tradeoff—that is one-time payment of P15 billion versus P7 billion to P8 billion in subsidies as annual expense—for the government, and the P15-billion payout will simply be a virtual “bonus” to the winning bidder which, he said, cannot be justified.

Recto insisted that the PPP auction of the MRT-LRT lines should redound to cheaper fare rates since the PPP dictum should be “race to the bottom [lower fares], not race to the top [higher fares].”

“The people, before any translation is lost, should be informed that the P15-billion price tag for the bundled MRT-LRT privatization is the amount that government will pay to the winning bidder and not the amount that it would earn from the transaction,” Recto said.

He explained that the implication of this transaction, if it were allowed to go through without any changes, is crucial as it would mean that the first project under the PPP program would instantly cost the government some P15 billion, instead of deriving fresh revenues from its decision to let go of two vital mass-transport rail systems.

The government has scheduled the bidding for the MRT-LRT contract on July 11, with at least eight big groups landing on the shortlist of the Department of Transportation and Communications, out of the 44 companies that have expressed interest in the project.

Under the plan, the winning bidder will operate and manage the two rail lines—to be integrated eventually—for four years, with an option to extend by another year.

Recto, who chairs the Senate ways and means committee, noted that the P15 billion would be paid by the government to the winning bidder, which would operate and maintain the MRT-LRT lines.

“We will pay them P15 billion to operate the rail lines plus perhaps they would avail [themselves of] tax holidays, cheap loans from state banks and an almost sure option to jack up fare prices,” the Senator said.

On top of that, he added, the winning private operator is not obligated under the operate and maintain contract to pour in new money in terms of additional rolling stocks or coaches and rail infrastructure.

“If such is the case, this will give the PPP project a bad name. Later on, if this keeps up, people will start shunning the PPP and will get mad,” he pointed out.

Meanwhile, Recto noted that such imminent fare hikes in MRT-LRT under a privatized setup would be unfair to taxpaying commuters, while jeepney and tricycle drivers are getting direct subsidy through the government’s ‘Pantawid Pasada’ program.

The MRT line at Edsa stretches from Taft Avenue in Pasay City to North Avenue in Quezon City, while the LRT-1 line runs along Taft Avenue from Baclaran in Parañaque City to Roosevelt-Muñoz in Quezon City. - Business Mirror

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/05/09/11/p15-b-tag-lrt-1-mrt-3-om-contract-questioned
P15-B tag for LRT 1-MRT 3 O&M contract questioned

By Butch Fernandez, Business Mirror
Posted at 05/09/2011 11:55 AM | Updated as of 05/09/2011 4:09 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Saying that a P15-billion “payout” by the government to the winning bidder in the privatization of Metro Rail Transit-Light Rail Transit (MRT-LRT) cannot be compensated for by the P7 billion to P8 billion in annual state subsidies it will henceforth be spared from funding, Sen. Ralph Recto on Sunday asked the Executive to be up-front with taxpayers in the first major bidding under the administration’s flagship Public-Private Partnership (PPP) Program.

“The P15-billion pasalubong to the winning private bidder may be justified but the prospect of commuters eventually paying higher MRT-LRT fares negates such justification,” Recto said on Sunday.

He urged the government to be forthright to the Filipino people by disclosing that the P15-billion price tag for the privatization of MRT-LRT is actually a “payout” to the winning private bidder, and not the other way around.

The senator pointed out that if the MRT-LRT rates were to be raised just as soon as a private party took over the light-rail system, then there is no tradeoff—that is one-time payment of P15 billion versus P7 billion to P8 billion in subsidies as annual expense—for the government, and the P15-billion payout will simply be a virtual “bonus” to the winning bidder which, he said, cannot be justified.

Recto insisted that the PPP auction of the MRT-LRT lines should redound to cheaper fare rates since the PPP dictum should be “race to the bottom [lower fares], not race to the top [higher fares].”

“The people, before any translation is lost, should be informed that the P15-billion price tag for the bundled MRT-LRT privatization is the amount that government will pay to the winning bidder and not the amount that it would earn from the transaction,” Recto said.

He explained that the implication of this transaction, if it were allowed to go through without any changes, is crucial as it would mean that the first project under the PPP program would instantly cost the government some P15 billion, instead of deriving fresh revenues from its decision to let go of two vital mass-transport rail systems.

The government has scheduled the bidding for the MRT-LRT contract on July 11, with at least eight big groups landing on the shortlist of the Department of Transportation and Communications, out of the 44 companies that have expressed interest in the project.

Under the plan, the winning bidder will operate and manage the two rail lines—to be integrated eventually—for four years, with an option to extend by another year.

Recto, who chairs the Senate ways and means committee, noted that the P15 billion would be paid by the government to the winning bidder, which would operate and maintain the MRT-LRT lines.

“We will pay them P15 billion to operate the rail lines plus perhaps they would avail [themselves of] tax holidays, cheap loans from state banks and an almost sure option to jack up fare prices,” the Senator said.

On top of that, he added, the winning private operator is not obligated under the operate and maintain contract to pour in new money in terms of additional rolling stocks or coaches and rail infrastructure.

“If such is the case, this will give the PPP project a bad name. Later on, if this keeps up, people will start shunning the PPP and will get mad,” he pointed out.

Meanwhile, Recto noted that such imminent fare hikes in MRT-LRT under a privatized setup would be unfair to taxpaying commuters, while jeepney and tricycle drivers are getting direct subsidy through the government’s ‘Pantawid Pasada’ program.

The MRT line at Edsa stretches from Taft Avenue in Pasay City to North Avenue in Quezon City, while the LRT-1 line runs along Taft Avenue from Baclaran in Parañaque City to Roosevelt-Muñoz in Quezon City. - Business Mirror
hwag na lang ipa-bid, gibain na lang tapos gawing subway, sinira lang ng mga yan ang taft ave at edsa, sayang, para magkaroon naman tayo ng mga torista at di dogyut ang metropolis