[MNL] Manila-Ninoy Aquino International Airport - Compiled Threads [Archive] - Page 2

absent-minded

May 28th, 2004, 04:26 AM

Well hopefully this P1,000,000,000 will see some good progress and maybe a good renovation on T1. But as for T3, is it just going to sit there and deteriorate for those two years?

yeah, I guess that's what's gonna happen. MIAA GM Edgardo Manda was interviewed on dzMM last tuesday, I think, and he said that nobody at all is allowed to enter NAIA 3 without permission from Fraport/Piatco. piatco isn't finishing construction up yet and no one is there to fund the maintainance of the facility while it stays closed. he says that it might be to damp and humid in there with it totally shut down. the ac's might also have to be replaced already cause they aren't periodically run....

re: the P1B for NAIA T1, Manda says they'll have to tear down some parts of the building - specifically the washrooms - to accomodate the replacing of old, deteriorated pipes and stuff. they have to fix up the sewage too. and they'll replace the toilets and other bathroom fixtures. that's where the money will mostly go into. he didn't say too much about a big face lift, but hopefully they'll have enough to fit that in...

IMO, the NAIA-1 lobby defines much Pinoy architecture - unlike most of NAIA 3 - and is still in pretty good shape. they could just brighten it up a bit. I love the wooden-gridded ceiling. may not be too modern, but very classy. the rest of the terminal just reaks though... arrivals - especially immigrations and baggage claim - is just way too small and overcrowded even with as little as only three flights coming in at once. and oh yeah, I hate the dotted, rubber flooring. the little troley suitcases make so much noise rolling over them. they should just be covered up with the usual airport carpet...

renell

May 28th, 2004, 06:02 PM

yeah, they should definately fix those bathrooms. but imo most of the building isn't that bad, though the check-in counters look in bad condition.

cruizer323000

May 28th, 2004, 08:16 PM

i think the only chance the new terminal 3 will open if (fernando poe jr) wins the election. what the administration is doing is simply high way robbery to the contractors and denying the filipino people a beautiful airport. i rather see fraport maintain the new terminal cause the philippine gov't can't even maintain the old terminal 1 toilet from smelling cause they dont have the funds to buy the basics like deoodorizer .

kiretoce

May 28th, 2004, 11:25 PM

Is NAIA T1 really that foul smelling? It's been close to 15 years since I was last in Manila and when I left T1 was pretty decent back then. I wonder why they let it deteriorate, was is because of the lack of funds for even the basic things?

Jemini

May 29th, 2004, 07:16 AM

OK, I'm really DISGUSTED about this current situation w/ NAIA3.....
how can anyone let an already awesomely built airport take this long to OPEN!!!!! GEEEZZZ!!!
i thought it was going to open in a few months...but the mention of it possibly being closed for a few years is LUDICROUS!!!
NAIA3 will start to DETERIORATE and will cost $$$$ to upkeep those unused awesome facilites we've been seeing...
Fraport, Piatco, and the Government are all to BLAME for this EMBARASSMENT... and i frown upon these three for HOLDING back a jewel for the filipino people and distancing potential investors and touritsts!!! their indecisiveness to settle this matter has given the Philippines a BAD image among our Asian neighbors.... even Vietnam(expanding its national carrier fleet) and Indonesia(opening a Ritz-Carlton) look better than us!!!! we can't even open an airport thats been physically built, what, 2 years ago!?!?!? Damn, it makes me sick!!!

renell

May 29th, 2004, 10:37 AM

ron_guevara

May 29th, 2004, 05:24 PM

the most recent issue of BluPrint features NAIA3. got several nice photos...i bought my own copy tho its quite expensive. can't wait till it gets an old copy.
also featured inside is SM Baguio, i think it looks nice. view is spectacular.

I've been waiting for someone to post pics from BluPrint. I couldn't wait any longer, so I bought one for myself and scanned most of the pics. Here they are!

Main entrance leading to the check-in and departure areas
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Main-Entrance-Departures.jpg

Departure Hall
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Departure-Hall.jpg

Check-in Counters, looking down from public amenity level
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Check-In-Counters.jpg

Skylight
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Skylight.jpg

Roof Supports
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Roof-Supports.jpg

Railing Detail
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Railing-Detail.jpg

Arrival Hall Exit
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Arrival-Hall-Exit.jpg

Arrival Area
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/ronniepoe/NAIA3/Arrival-Area.jpg

renell

May 29th, 2004, 08:30 PM

wow... great pics, superb job ron!

Skyblade

May 29th, 2004, 10:57 PM

Those pictures are torture.....more eye candy for us desperate souls that want that terminal open... :wallbash: But thanks for sharing. :D

BTW does anyone have interior pics of NAIA T1? Haven't been there for 10 years and I only have vague memories of that terminal.

eNoZaNeWoR

May 30th, 2004, 01:43 AM

oh yeah...did you all hear about that airport collapse in France to their new aiport...i just hope that doesn't happen to this new one too! that sucks for them...i heard they migh have to tear down the whole thing, it costed almost 900 million dollars to make..that is expensive!

lumpia

May 30th, 2004, 05:09 AM

BTW does anyone have interior pics of NAIA T1? Haven't been there for 10 years and I only have vague memories of that terminal. HAHAA its NO different.. been there a yr ago, believe me its NO different to how it was 10 yrs ago (prob even WORSE becaus eth einfrastructure has been slowly deteriorating :() its SO SHAMEFUL to land in an airport terminal THAT ugly! ah PANGET! :rant: imagine.. stopover in KLIA was heaven, and i couldnt wait to return back home.. and 2 hours later i am in the dreariest international airoprt on EARTH! i just feel sorry for all those westerners and foreign tourists, who look forward to believing that their first taste of the Philippines would be that of a modern, convenient SE Asian country, like our neighsbours to the south of us :D LOL but instead they are faced with the outdated, non-efficient NAIA1! :(

its such a shame that they (i dont have to spell out who "they" are :crazy haha every filipino govt is *&^$"&£! so far! :D lol) have prob squandered all that money for the intended opening of NAIA3 into their pockets again :(:(...

cruizer323000

May 30th, 2004, 07:58 AM

Mrs Arroyo Need To Smell The Toilet Of Terminal 1 Then She Will Open Terminal 3.

Skyblade

May 30th, 2004, 06:19 PM

Mrs Arroyo Need To Smell The Toilet Of Terminal 1 Then She Will Open Terminal 3.

Might as well have every politician, the Cheng Family, and PIATCo join her as well and maybe they would be as enthusiastic as her.

But dang, NAIA 1 is that bad?

bagel

May 30th, 2004, 08:53 PM

Better yet. They should try cleaning those toilets themselves. I'm sure they'll like the part about trying to get cash handouts from the toilet users. That's one of the most embarrassing part about going to the bathroom in NAIA I.

docz

May 31st, 2004, 04:36 AM

While I do share the frustration of many regarding the delay in the opening of NAIA III, the following issues should be considered:

1). To my knowledge, both NAIA I and II were opened only after a two year delay. Construction for NAIA I began in July of 1978 and was supposed to take 24 months. However numerous delays, most notable of which was the completion of the electro-mechanical system postponed opening of the terminal until April 2, 1982. Construction for Terminal 2 began in December 1995 and was also supposed to take 24 months. However construction delays resulted in the terminal opening in August 5, 1999. Given this track record, I am not surprised that there is such a long delay given that Terminal 3 not includes both technical as well as legal problems.

2). While I would like to see the new terminal operating as soon as possible, I dont think this should be done at any cost, and should not be a burden to the tax payers of the Philippines. According to the Supreme Court, a provision in the franchise agreement states that should the operator default on paying the loans, the philippine government will have to pick up the tab (of course it will have the terminal which it can eventually sell, but in the meantime, the tax payers of the Philippines will have to temporarily foot the bill).

3). I think the fault may also lie in the previous administrations in which onerous ammendments included in the franchise agreement. Also, when PIATCO submitted a bid to the project, why did the government not realize that it did not have sufficient resources for the project, and that it needed external entities like FRAPORT to finance the project?

4). I take a more sober view of all the legal maneuvering of the government. It equally likely that it may just taking steps to protect itself from future law suits.

5). It is very unlikely that the government itself will manage NAIA III, but will hire professional airport services. Also while, I do agree that MIAA has not done very well in managing NAIA I, it has done a decent job in managing NAIA II.

Skyblade

May 31st, 2004, 06:05 AM

So the other two terminals also suffered delays as well? :runaway:

That's new news to me. Thanks for that bit, docz. :)

I agree on MIAA keeping NAIA T2 in decent condition but I can't vouch for T1 since I haven't been there for 10 years. If they manage T3, hopefully they'll do a good job.

docz

May 31st, 2004, 06:45 AM

Here are a number of things I forgot to mention about Terminal 1.

1). The last time a major upgrade was implemented in terminal 1 was in 1996 for the APEC conference here. During that year the runway was lenghtened, more remote parking bays were added, and fourth floor which used to serve as the view deck was transformed into a lounge, accessible through a elevator installed on the west wing.

2). Since that time, no major renovations have been undertaken in Terminal 1 with the reasoning that Terminal 3 was going to be operational. As I earlier wrote, it is very likely that Terminal 1 togther with the old domestic terminal will have to be torn down in order to construction more cargo terminals to meet the shortage in cargo space. So what is the use of spending money when the structure eventually would be torn down.

3). The fact that MIAA is spending a billion just to fix the toilets indicates that it may take time for Terminal 3 to be operational.

4). I should also mention that the DAVAO international airport was delayed more than 10 years for different reasons. The most pressing problem had to do with structural defects in the terminal building.

absent-minded

May 31st, 2004, 02:25 PM

Skyblade

May 31st, 2004, 05:52 PM

Um would anyone happen to have any interior pics of Terminal 1?

docz

June 1st, 2004, 10:08 AM

I never knew that both NAIA 1 and 2 suffered setbacks as long as two years... however, NAIA-3 has already been stuffed in the closet for two years (since it had it's soft opening Nov.2002 and was supposed to be finally open in Dec) and these two years are again gonna be doubled. it started construction, what... 1999? it missed out on quite a bit of delays with construction but is now being held back for other legal reasons. it actually was built the fastest. but if it opens in 2006, that'll be 7 years since it was first broken ground on...

Construction for NAIA-3 began in July of 2000. Well, if it indeed opens in 2006, that would only be 6 years which is less than the 10 years it took to open Davao International Airport. I am told that government is also worried that the completed facility may have structural problems, which would further delay opening. Sometimes, I get the feeling that this structure will not be opened in our lifetime, if the litigation drags on as I think it will.

Edmundtanso

June 2nd, 2004, 12:43 AM

thanks for sharing the photos Ron! the more i see photos of NAIA 3 the more i get so pissed with everyone involved with matter.

it look so modern and awesome, something to be proud of when bringing tourists to the philippines. i brought 2 american freinds with me during my visit in phils. last month and i have to say, i was very embarassed with NAIA 1. it looks like it's been facelifted several times on the inside and they dont go together.

ryanr

June 2nd, 2004, 08:22 AM

Ron, thanks for sharing those pictures. Airport really looks modern and ready to open.

wow, i've missed a lot of conversation in this thread since i left. hehehe. 2006? Is that when they will open the terminal? I sure hope NOT! I was really thinking that they will finally open it this July.

docz, thanks for all those info on all three terminals. Very interesting, i didnt know that NAIA 1 was delayed for a while.

renell

June 2nd, 2004, 04:46 PM

Um would anyone happen to have any interior pics of Terminal 1?

i haven't seen any Terminal One interior pics in the net. and there aren't manyTerminal One exterior pics in the net for that matter

Francis20

June 2nd, 2004, 07:06 PM

Ron, thanks for posting the pics...awesome pics...but there were quite few of them on the mag. what about the SM Baguio pics?

Skyblade

June 3rd, 2004, 04:12 AM

i haven't seen any Terminal One interior pics in the net. and there aren't manyTerminal One exterior pics in the net for that matter
I dunno it was worth trying. :)

I would seriously throw a fit if the terminal opens in 2006... :wallbash:

docz

June 4th, 2004, 07:09 AM

I am sure you must have heard the news that the government has evidence to suspect that terminal 3 may not be structurally sound. While is one reason why the government has serious reservations about opening the terminal.

renell

June 4th, 2004, 04:39 PM

Philippines says mothballed international terminal may be unsafe
06/04 10:45:12 AM

MANILA (AFP) - Two years after it was completed, questions are being raised by the Philippine government over the "structural integrity and operational feasibility" of Manila's controversial 650-million dollar international airport terminal.

However, a lawyer for the consortium that built the terminal branded such allegations as "propaganda" ahead of international arbitration proceedings between the government and the builders, among them German airport operator Fraport AG.

The modern terminal has been left unused since major building work was virtually completed in 2002.

On Tuesday, government solicitor general Alfredo Benipayo rejected calls for the authorities to take over the building, saying "we have recently discovered troubling facts and circumstances which directly bear on the structural integrity and operational feasibility of Terminal 3."

Benipayo warned that a "thorough technical assessment and review of the technical and financial records" was needed before the government could operate the terminal.

He did not detail the alleged problems.

The Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (Piatco) consortium, which includes Fraport, "should pay the government large amounts of damages," for not having the airport terminal ready as required under the original contract, Benipayo added.

Piatco lawyer Moises Tolentino rejected this, saying the consortium had planned to operate the terminal for 25 years and had no reason to build a defective facility.

"All this is propaganda on the part of the government. Now that they face arbitration, that is why they are making noises," Tolentino told AFP.

He said the airport's builders, the government airport office and a "third party inspector" hired by the government and Piatco had all inspected the project from the start.

Tolentino said that while there might have been some defects found, these were detected as part of normal inspections and had been addressed.

Any defects were minor and "they are not so substantial as to make a conclusion that the facility is unsound," Tolentino added.

He said that if the government would agree to pay damages to Piatco, they could hold an inspection and appraisal of the property but that Piatco would not consent to this until there is an agreement.

Tolentino also rejected any review of Piatco's financial records, saying the government had put no money into building the terminal.

Piatco obtained the contract to build a third terminal at Manila airport from the administration of then-president Joseph Estrada.

Under the original contract, Fraport would have operated the terminal once it was completed but after Estrada was overthrown in a public uprising, the Supreme Court ruled in May 2003 to revoke the company's operating franchise.

The court upheld the Philippine government's position that onerous provisions in the 650-million-dollar project had made it disadvantageous to the government and unacceptable.

The terminal, designed to handle 13 million passengers yearly, was to have opened in late 2002, to ease passenger traffic at two existing terminals in Manila airport.

The mothballing of the unused terminal has become a symbol of the difficulties faced by investors in setting up vital infrastructure in the Philippines, where government and court decisions can easily turn against them even after they have poured in millions.

The Piatco consortium has filed a petition for arbitration with the Philippine government before the International Chamber of Commerce

kiretoce

June 4th, 2004, 05:30 PM

All that time, money and energy for nothing! Instead of it being the symbol of pride and progress of the Filipino people has turned into the thorn in one's side. "One step forward, two steps back."

Edmundtanso

June 4th, 2004, 07:16 PM

cruizer323000

June 4th, 2004, 08:51 PM

its obvious the arroyo gov't just want to operate or be in control of the new terminal 3 so that her gov't can pocket most of the profit. mrs arroyo are you another marcos ? thats why i'll take my chances with fpj cause i already know the true color of mrs arroyo and her naming clark field after her father is another dictatorial sign and is just plain stupid. how could a foreign pilot pronounce that name? clark international airport is more simple but if you are a dictator you want everything to be name after you or your family. i just can't stand that dwarf woman and her fat husband

Edmundtanso

June 4th, 2004, 11:23 PM

no comment

rico

June 5th, 2004, 01:47 AM

cruizer... cool down :cool:

ron_guevara

June 5th, 2004, 04:44 AM

Ron, thanks for posting the pics...awesome pics...but there were quite few of them on the mag. what about the SM Baguio pics?

I was thinking of scanning some of the SM Baguio pics from BluPrint too. But where should I post them?

ryanr

June 5th, 2004, 04:47 AM

Ron, in the Mega Metro Malls thread....even though its not in the metro, but its ok:D

Cruiser, i know you were just stating your opinion, but stay calm and do it in a more orderly manner...

docz

June 5th, 2004, 05:22 AM

hmmm...i dont think that structure could be unsafe. i bet they have foreign structural engineers. "Piatco lawyer Moises Tolentino rejected this, saying the consortium had planned to operate the terminal for 25 years and had no reason to build a defective facility" - this make sense. i beleive it's all about political since this peroject was granted under ERAp term.

the gov't should just get over it! scams always happens....just open the damn terminal!

Believe me, I have worked with foreign structural engineers here and abroad on various projects, and foreign structural engineers also make very glaring errors. Classical example is the man made island on which Kansai airport was built on. While they were aware of how much the island would settle, they were totally taken by surprise when it settled much faster than it was supposed to. This is why the entire terminal building has to be periodically jacked up. If this can happen in a technologically advanced country like Japan, what more a country like the Philippines. Let us also not forget what just happened at CDG Terminal 2E. Again if it can happen in a place like France, what more like the Philippines.

cruizer323000

June 5th, 2004, 05:27 AM

alright GreyX.....sori if i offended anyone here

ryanr

June 5th, 2004, 05:29 AM

ryanr

June 5th, 2004, 05:38 AM

alright GreyX.....sori if i offended anyone here

No problem:) Just doing my job and warning you...hehehe

renell

June 5th, 2004, 10:52 AM

i don't think rushing the opening at all costs is the best idea. unfortunately it's inevitable to be going slow... :bash:

federal

June 5th, 2004, 05:13 PM

renell

June 5th, 2004, 07:59 PM

i think there has been plans to interconnect NAIA 2 and 3, but no monorail.. at least that's what i've heard

docz

June 6th, 2004, 03:22 AM

CDG Terminal 2E is a tube design, quite different to NAIA 3's block design. I dont think the same thing will happen. Maupy, who works for Siemens said that the structure is not too bad. It is quite safe. But yes, you are right that anything can happen, and you dont really know if the structure will be totally safe.

Well maybe not the same failure mechanism, but none the less there is always room for errors in the structural design, and also errors in construction. Also, my understanding is that Siemens is the contractor in-charge of the electro-mechanical systems, and not the super-structure. The entity that did the pile testing is a company which has consulted me in the past, and I know that they are realiable, so as far as the foundation is concerned I am more or less certain that the possibility of a foundation problem is remote. However, I am of the opinion that the government is just undertaking the propoer "due diligence" in looking at all evidence provided it. If this was someother administration, I would imagine they would do the same.

Skyblade

June 6th, 2004, 07:13 AM

i think there has been plans to interconnect NAIA 2 and 3, but no monorail.. at least that's what i've heard
As long as there's an easy way to transit between terminals, then I'm satisfied. :D

docz

June 6th, 2004, 10:08 AM

just got back from KL, Sin, BKK, HKG. sheesh, kakaiyak airport natin.

Anyway, why can't they build a monorail or aerotrain connecting terminals 2 and 3 like that of KLIA, HKIA... gosh. so simple yet so problematic for our gov't. Or kahit bus gate na lang from one arrival gate of NAIA2/3 to another bus gate of NAIA2/3 like what most regional hubs in the the US do... cheap yet efficient. Imagine having a connecting regional flight in Manila from LA, super hassle... you have to hail your own cab for crying out loud...

I recall sometime ago when the idea of having a local monorail was proposed by the MIAA to the consultants from ICAO visiting Manila, the ICAO felt that such was not a necessary. I believe the ICAO document which states this and the analysis to support it can be downloaded from the internet.

cruizer323000

June 7th, 2004, 02:41 AM

the gov't to say that the new terminal is unsafe only tells me that the gov't is making excuses not to pay up to fraport . its just sad cause we all know that our gov't doesn't have $650 million which is what fraport is asking. even at $350 million which is what the gov't is willing to compensate fraport in installment payments which fraport already said they are not negotiating installment payments they want full payments in cash . to me it doesn't make sense at all for the gov't to take over full control of the terminal when they going to own the terminal in 20 yrs without spending a cent. 20 yrs is a short time why do they have to be so :wallbash: and during that 20 yrs fraport and piatco are going to pay rental fees to the gov't, thats what i call a sweet deal. but what can we do when we have greedy people in our gov't always thinking for them selfs not for the masses. again the filipino people are being bend over by our very own gov't . i'll be shock if the new terminal will ever open.

Skyblade

June 7th, 2004, 05:44 PM

Ok does anyone know of a good way to earn $300 million bucks?

renell

June 7th, 2004, 06:22 PM

jueteng, hahaha :D

bagel

June 7th, 2004, 10:36 PM

Somebody requested a pic of NAIA I. Here is a postcard.
http://karsten.thiee.free.fr/ap11/Manila%20Ninoy%20Aquino.jpg

Edmundtanso

June 7th, 2004, 11:02 PM

it's sucks that everything have to be so politicalized.....

kiretoce

June 8th, 2004, 12:18 AM

Somebody requested a pic of NAIA I. Here is a postcard.
http://karsten.thiee.free.fr/ap11/Manila%20Ninoy%20Aquino.jpg

Even from a postcard it (NAIA 1) looks so old and outdated. T3 should hurry up and open, and save us all from this eyesore!

bagel

June 8th, 2004, 01:18 AM

I think it's actually a beautiful airport. The wood panelling inside the main departure hall is beautiful and makes it classy. The whole building was designed by a national artist (someone help me out here... who was it?), the same guy who did the CCP. I actually love the monumental buildings from this time period even if they were megalomaniacal temples to the Marcoses. One thing that this building can bost that the other two terminals can't is that it is FIlipino through and through as a design. I think it just needs to be given a thorough renovation.

Unfortunately, as docz has pointed out, we need cargo terminal space. Is it not possible to refit this airport into a cargo terminal? It would be a shame to lose another national artist work.

Edmundtanso

June 8th, 2004, 01:46 AM

boybaha, it's locsin

Skyblade

June 8th, 2004, 04:58 AM

I found out about this trip report in Airliners.net and the guy stopped by Manila in his journey. Here's what he had to say:

For the rest of the flight, I just plugged in my laptop and read some book that I have as a pdf file there. Meanwhile, the sun was setting and soon it was pitch black outside. We started our descent into Ninoy Aquino International Airport just after 7pm. We landed on time and taxied to the dump called NAIA 1. Said bye to the guys on the upper deck and made my way to immigration which had some lines due to the arrival of KLM and Qantas from Amsterdam and Sydney respectively.

I then proceeded to the hotel taxi area and the guy from Intercontinental arranged a car for P600 to the hotel.

Intercontinental Manila

I made the mistake of not doing enough research on 5* hotels before I bid for this through Priceline. Thus I assumed it would have been either the Makati Shangri La or Peninsula, but I got the Intercontinental for about 6 dollars more than what interconti.com quotes.

I got upgraded to an executive room according to the desk clerk, no idea how it is different from standard rooms as it’s not same as club intercontinental with lounge access. The room itself was a bit old, but with nice furniture and good view of the Glorietta mall. The queen bed was a joke, very hard and uncomfortable. The bathroom was old and small but clean. There’s a fax machine on the working desk and also Intercontinental WorldLink broadband access. The staff were all nice but prices at the hotel are outrageous. A two-minute call to Thailand cost P350 and a burger from room service P440. I have no idea about other Manila 5* hotels, but compared to Thailand, Hong Kong etc, I’d rate this place as 4*, not 5*.

05 January 2004
Manila Ninoy Aquino Intl (MNL/RPLL) – Singapore Changi (SIN/WSSS)
Singapore Airlines SQ 73
Boeing 777-312
9V-SYA
1425-1740 (1445-1820)
First Class, Seat 2A

I took a taxi to the airport at about 11:30am. The driver was a nice guy originally from China, but unfortunately neither of us had any idea how to get to NAIA 1 departures once the signs stopped near the airport. After a few U-turns we finally made it. “This is just torture man. This is so ridiculous. You can only avoid this if you fly crappy PAL.” was his comment when he saw the lines to get inside the terminal. Indeed, I waited an hour outside until reaching the checked luggage screening – two guys were chatting and nobody looking at the screen.

SQ check-in was quick, no additional baggage checks and my boarding pass was already waiting for me at the First Class counter. The pleasant lady tagged my bag with SQ First priority tags, told me how to get to the lounge and wished me a nice flight. I was addressed by name throughout the process which was a nice touch. I then filled out the departure card and paid the P550 departure fee. Immigration lines were dreadful, people couldn’t fit into the area between the airport fee counters and immigration fee counters. Luckily the process was rather quick, and I was through in about 25 minutes.

The thread can be found here:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/39239/

We seriously need to get the problems of NAIA 3 fixed and have that thing open because NAIA 1 isn't doing that good in giving tourists the first taste of the Philippines... :wallbash:

renell

June 8th, 2004, 04:27 PM

the exterior is perfectlly fine. immigration counters seriously needs fixing. fat Americans, which are potential tourists to the country, cannot pass through those. the counters they use remind of my mom's office desks around 1995-1997

cruizer323000

June 8th, 2004, 06:32 PM

renell --fat americans :lol: i agree with you 100% and married to a filipina.

Skyblade

June 9th, 2004, 04:29 AM

True, the outside of the terminal still looks modern IMO, its the interior I'm worried about.

Never heard about obese Americans getting stuck between internet counters...I guess you learn something new everyday. :D

ron_guevara

June 9th, 2004, 07:12 AM

Ron, in the Mega Metro Malls thread....even though its not in the metro, but its ok:D

I've finally gotten to posting the SM Baguio pics from BluPrint magazine. Check them out!

renell

June 9th, 2004, 05:48 PM

well you know, the really bad cases of obesity. think fat bastard in the austin powers series.

anyways, fat american there or not, those counters need fixing.. they look bitch-ugly.

Edmundtanso

June 11th, 2004, 06:26 PM

NAIA 3 seen to open by July
Julie Javellana-Santos, Jan 28, 2004
OVERSEAS Filipinos can look forward to a new airport when Terminal 3 of Manila’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) finally opens by the second half of the year.

Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) General Manager Edgardo Manda said that with the country’s Supreme Court declaring as final its nullification of the contract of Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (Piatco) to build and operate NAIA-3, the next step was to coordinate with the Department of Justice (DOJ) on how to go about the government takeover of the airport.

“We now have the finality of the ruling. We are trying to see if the government takeover was discussed in the decision. But if it wasn’t stated there, we may have another legal problem,” he said.

“We have to resolve that because we cannot just go into the airport.

MIAA will rely on what DOJ will tell us to do. We are waiting for this.”

Come July, the Philippine government will finally get to run Terminal 3.
“If we will be given a timetable for improvements of the infrastructure — like the internal access road and other support facilities — it would take four months.

It would be better if we would be given six months; we could open that (new airport terminal). The project has been there for three years now,” Manda said in a radio interview.

He then deplored the fact that while the issue of operating it was being decided by the courts, the airport has been going to seed.

Manda said NAIA Terminal 3 was deteriorating because the equipment inside it was not being used and were being damaged by humidity and moisture. “(NAIA-3) has walkalators. It is comparable to world-class airports. It is sad that we are being left behind in developments happening in Southeast Asia,” he said.

“The last biggest airport that was built was the Inchon Airport in Korea. So it is really a big problem for the Philippines and MIAA that Terminal 3 is still not operating,” he added.

NAIA-3 boasts of the most modern airport facilities in a fully air-conditioned terminal. With the new terminal, space would be allotted for those seeing off or meeting departing and arriving passengers in an air-conditioned. viewing deck
BusinessWorld quoted Manda as saying the MIAA would hold an emergency meeting with DOJ and the Office of the Government Corporate Counsel to get guidance on how to take over NAIA-3.

He also said the committee created by President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo to negotiate with Piatco for just compensation must be reconstituted.

The committee was headed by Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro R. Mendoza and had former Tourism Secretary Richard Gordon and former Trade Secretary Manuel A. Roxas III as members.

Assistant Solicitor General Renan E. Ramos said the Office of the Solicitor General (OSG) was studying the “best” legal remedy by which the government could take over the facility. He said government lawyers were looking at filing in court either a complaint for expropriation or an action for the recovery or possession of the land on which NAIA-3 was built.

NAIA-3, designed to handle 13 million passengers yearly, was scheduled to open in 2002.

Meanwhile, airport service operators said they were “ready, willing and able” to work with the government in running NAIA-3, should it take over operations from Piatco.

MIA-NAIA Association of Service Operators, Inc. (MASO) said its members have long been prepared to provide services to the world-class airport terminal.
The Supreme Court also declared that MASO’s service contract for the new terminal should be respected not only by Piatco but also by third parties.

MASO lawyer Francis Ed. Lim said the court ruling vindicated the group, which had been insisting the service contract for NAIA-3 should be given to it. MASO also operates NAIA terminals 1 and 2.

Piatco lawyer Moises Tolentino had said the company would use the PEA case in pressing the Supreme Court to take a third and final look at its case. Chief Justice Hilario G. Davide, Jr. had already outlawed the filing of a second motion for reconsideration.

Meanwhile, former Solicitor General Francisco Chavez, another Piatco lawyer, said he was confident the Supreme Court would grant the second motion for reconsideration. Chavez said this redress was allowed by the court even though Piatco’s most recent motion was again denied, and this time with finality

He also cited the decision of the Supreme Court last Nov. 11, 2003 on a case involving PEA and Cyber Bay. The court entertained a second motion for reconsideration then.
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Edmundtanso

June 11th, 2004, 06:30 PM

this is good news but i am worried about how the MASO would maintain the airport, they can't even maintain NAIA 1 and NAIA 2 is slowly getting there.

absent-minded

June 11th, 2004, 08:45 PM

...until reaching the checked luggage screening – two guys were chatting and nobody looking at the screen.

what??? that is like total exaggeration!! that's what happens at XIAMEN and BANGKOK's international ariports, not NAIA! our security checks are as good as Hong Kong's at the very least. at YVR, check-in luggage isn't even checked until they're past check-in. so anyone could easily blow up the airport.

kiretoce

June 11th, 2004, 11:47 PM

They keep throwing the term "world class" in there....hmm....that remains to be seen!

ewh1

June 12th, 2004, 03:16 AM

PHILIPPINE Airlines, sole user of Terminal 2 of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA), is considering expanding the terminal in three years to accommodate increasing passenger traffic on its domestic and international routes, an Inquirer source in the airline said Friday.

The expansion could eat up into the Nayong Pilipino [Philippine Village] leisure park beside the airport, the official said.

PAL could shoulder the cost of expanding the terminal, which was built by the government, the official said.

"Whoever needs it should build it," the official said. "PAL needs a bigger terminal. Expansion should happen in the next three years to keep up with the increasing traffic."

The airline plans to resume flights to Europe in the next three years, particularly in such countries as Italy, France, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom.

The plan is to expand the terminal gradually and do it on a "modular basis," opening one new gate at a time as demand increases, the official said. "We could expand to the Nayong Pilipino area and we could do the expansion gradually. This way, it would also be easier to finance it."

The PAL official could not say how much funding the airline would need for the expansion.

The mothballed Terminal 3 of the NAIA remains embroiled in a legal case between the government and the Philippine-German consortium that built it.

A PAL official said the airline could not have maximum use of Terminal 3 even if it were operational, because it was built on the "wrong side of the airport."

The Supreme Court nullified early this year a 650-million-dollar contract of the PIATCo consortium with the government to build and operate the Terminal 3. PIATCo and its German investor, Fraport AG, have sued the government before an international court. Clarissa S. Batino, with INQ7.net

federal

June 12th, 2004, 04:39 AM

federal

June 12th, 2004, 04:49 AM

ryanr

June 12th, 2004, 05:12 AM

I hate to say it but, the article that says NAIA 3 will open this july was written on January. Things might have changed:(

I dont mind if PAL expands NAIA 2, whatever works out the best...as long as NAIA 3 opens....and they start construction of Clark International.:okay:

renell

June 12th, 2004, 02:27 PM

don't see why you don't want jeepney there. and i also agree with greyx, if it expands it, then better :okay:

apiong

June 12th, 2004, 05:17 PM

some recent snapshots I made on the slow phase of construction (relative to the declared October target completion for the two of four ramps)...

below is the updated shot of the first column of the "skyway northbound to NAIA exit ramp"
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10052/normal_pix_0001.jpg

finally, the widening of the Sales overpass is materializing!
Below are the steel rebars for the 3 center support columns of the "new" Sales overpass right beside the old one...
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10052/normal_pics_0005.jpg

federal

June 14th, 2004, 04:40 AM

at least, the skyway would have "better" coverage due to NAIA exits, hehe

and

surprisingly, during rush hours, I find many cars passing the Skyway.... despite it's very ultra short stretch... i wonder if the whole stretch is on... maybe traffic jams like LA's 101North

absent-minded

June 15th, 2004, 08:33 AM

thanks for the updates, apiong...

I stepped into NAIA 2 for the first time when I took PAL last week and, in fairness, it doesn't look too bad at all. I love the architectural design, but maintainance isn't doing too good. much of the white has turned grey with black stains all over. but great views of NAIA 3 from the north wing. all in all though, it is pretty good for a small airport. just wondering how the would expand it. would be cool if it was stretched out into an X... hehehe... doubt there's room for that though... hopefully, the expansion can blend in with the existing design.

docz

June 17th, 2004, 11:08 AM

There is an article I saw on the net that describes why the government believes why NAIA 3 might have structural problems. Contrary to what some may think, the article claims these structural problems actually prevent the government from taking over the terminal. I guess this is just one more reason why I may not see in the opening of NAIA 3 in the near future.

ryanr

June 18th, 2004, 06:10 AM

Thanks for those updates:) Looks like it is progressing, although i think it will take longer than planned.

Skyblade

June 19th, 2004, 07:27 AM

...as long as the terminal dosen't open immediately before we all begin switching ops to Clark... :runaway:

MixedMike

June 19th, 2004, 06:21 PM

is still not open?! i thought they said that its gonna be open this june! :bash: thats soooo St*pid! :bash: hurry open that thing already!

SunKing

June 20th, 2004, 04:36 AM

May 2004 overview of MNL, all three terminals taken by Tchavdar Kostov, also in the picture are the Laguna Lake (left), Manila Bay (right), the Skyway/South Superhighway, part of Macapagal Blvd and the Coastal Road, the Uniwide Coastal Mall, and EDSA:
http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/22352/AirlinersNetPhotoID602123.jpg

federal

June 20th, 2004, 07:47 AM

marvelous pic.... parang dito lang nga ang terminals across each other sa runway. underground tunnel or aerotrain is neeeded talaga...

renell

June 20th, 2004, 12:38 PM

awesome photo dude!!

somehow i do think NAIA3 is in the wrong side of NAIA...

David-80

June 20th, 2004, 03:25 PM

Nice pictures ! I am counting 17 aerobridges In terminal 3, so it will also include domestic flights at terminal 3?

cheers

federal

June 20th, 2004, 04:41 PM

nah. it won't include domestic flights.

renell

June 20th, 2004, 05:20 PM

it's solely for international flights, if ever it gets opened for flights

Skyblade

June 20th, 2004, 05:33 PM

How I loathe the word if... :bash:

absent-minded

June 20th, 2004, 07:06 PM

sweet shot!! where's EDSA in the picture?? the SLEX should be the one at the left tip of the runway, right?? where is the NAIA expressway supposed to cut through?? maybe that thin white line above the golf course to the left of NAIA 3??

would be so nice to have terminal 3 open already... dang it...

federal

June 21st, 2004, 02:39 AM

EDSA is at the near bottom with a left turn flyover....

absent-minded

June 21st, 2004, 04:55 AM

oh yeah.... and it looks like an MRT-3 station right beside the overpass...

federal

June 21st, 2004, 12:56 PM

How I loathe the word if... :bash:

sa philippines kasi ang mga infra projects... if eh hehe.. :) while at other countries, "when it opens"....

Edmundtanso

June 21st, 2004, 08:06 PM

nice aerial photo, thanks.....yeah any update with NAIA 3?

Jerico_08

June 22nd, 2004, 03:03 PM

very impressive! looks very organized :)

pau_p1

June 22nd, 2004, 03:28 PM

that was a good aerial...:D

@absent-minded... NAIA expressway?... hmm...that white strip is the expanded (4lane)avenue for the NAIA 3.... It starts from the SLEX and all the way inside Villamor Airbase then right to the side of Terminal 3 and ending at the Airport Road or the corner of Tramo....

absent-minded

June 22nd, 2004, 07:11 PM

pau_p1

June 22nd, 2004, 07:34 PM

maybe its that same avenue?.... heheheeh...:D

Hawayano

June 24th, 2004, 04:35 AM

Please open NAIA 3 ASAP! I wanna be processed through there on my next trip back to Manila!

Solblanc

June 24th, 2004, 05:54 PM

that is such a cool aerial...

I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling that clark will have an airport bigger than HKIA before NAIA3 opens...

MixedMike

June 24th, 2004, 07:44 PM

Are they going to open it this year? because i thought that someone posted, that it will be open this july.

ryanr

June 25th, 2004, 12:35 PM

WOW!! That aerial is amazing! Nice find:eek:

asbusinos

June 29th, 2004, 10:19 PM

These people in the government really needs a really good hammering! The delays to open the naia T3 creates a great toll in our economy especially tourism. I've been living in the UK for about 4 years now and every travel agency you come across that offers southeast asian holiday package doesn't even include the philippines. It's either thailand, indonesia, malaysia and vietnam. What's happening? And PAL, how about opening a direct route to London to accomodate thousands of Filipinos working here in UK and Ireland. And buy those damn new planes!!!

kiretoce

June 29th, 2004, 11:57 PM

kiretoce

June 30th, 2004, 12:07 AM

Speaking of NAIA, it just dawned on me that MNL isn't really a "transit hub," much like SIN, KUL, BKK, HKG, TPE, NRT, KIX and ICN. MNL is more of a "terminal airport" wherein in flights end. European carriers transit in SIN, KUL, BKK and HKG before they end up in MNL, same goes for North American carriers, they use TPE, NRT, KIX and ICN to transit through. I guess the Philippines is so "out-of-the-way," that's why NAIA doesn't have much transit passengers, except those changing flights from International to Domestic.

federal

June 30th, 2004, 02:31 AM

suprsingly, it's at the center of the Asia Pacific Region.... yet it can utilize the location due to its bad facilities... If you were the airline, would you choose to transit at terminal 1? a big no.... maybe if T3 opens, transit traffic would start to pour in... i hope

David-80

June 30th, 2004, 04:46 AM

the reason why MNL isnt a hub, maybe because of the distance from europe to the pacific, if you fly european carriers to Australia or Indonesia, they will choose to stop either in BKK, KL or SIN. Anyway, the one that really hubs are only BKK and Changi, Qantas use changi for european routes, Garuda also for european/asian routes and most european carrier/middle east that serve the busiest route in asia, which are between singapore-jakarta and Bangkok-Hongkong.

cheers

Lightspeed

June 30th, 2004, 07:21 AM

The geographic location of the Philippines makes it unattractive for long-haul transit flights. If you're talking about Europe to Asia flights, Bangkok is a much more ideal transit point as it is nearer to the West of Asia where the flights are coming from.

If you're talking about trans-Pacific flights, Taipei and Tokyo are much more attractive as they protrude in the Pacific Ocean more than the Philippines.

But the Philippines' location is much more strategic when it comes to being a hub for cargo carriers like FedEx and DHL, particularly for the East Asia service. If you look at the map, the Philippines is very proximate to all the major East Asian economies like Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, even Australia. So that's the reason why these carriers have opted to put up a hub in the country.

This proximity to major markets is actually the same logic for Airbus' decision to consider the country for a repair facility. I hope the Philippines also courts Boeing for a similar project.

SunKing

June 30th, 2004, 12:45 PM

NAIA to seek additional $5 fee to cover security
Posted: 5:48 PM | Jun. 30, 2004

Clarissa S. Batino
Inquirer News Service

THE Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) is planning to collect a five-dollar security fee for every passenger traveling overseas to ensure sustained tight security.

Manila International Airport Authority general manager Edgardo Manda said the agency has started sounding off the plan to foreign and even local carriers even if the additional fee was being planned only for international flights.

Manda said money collected would be used to buy security equipment. He said a simple X-ray machine costs about three million dollars.

Before NAIA can impose the additional fee, public hearings will have to be conducted and approval from the Civil Aeronautics Board secured.

The additional fee will be incorporated into the cost of the ticket.

Manda stressed that the NAIA would not be increasing other airport fees and charges, including the 550-peso (about 10 dollars) terminal fee per passenger.

kiretoce

July 2nd, 2004, 11:26 PM

eNoZaNeWoR

July 8th, 2004, 04:39 AM

yeah..i hope this airport opens soon! Okay...i forgot what site i got this computer generated NAIA 3, but i believe its like a computer simulation game of some sort...well here it is...this is what it would look like if there ARE actually AIRPLANES using it...especially nice cuz of PAL airplanes.....that PAL flying though is like impossible, because...wala naman runway na papunta towards doon....it should be going the other way
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid127/p2ce33682a0cf70d61f4ff4700c7ae469/f7f106aa.jpg

apiong

July 8th, 2004, 06:16 AM

that PAL flying though is like impossible, because...wala naman runway na papunta towards doon....it should be going the other way
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid127/p2ce33682a0cf70d61f4ff4700c7ae469/f7f106aa.jpg

maybe that plane aborted a landing coming from the eastern approach of the main runway :lol:

renell

July 8th, 2004, 01:59 PM

how about expanding the secondary runway for 747's to use?

federal

July 8th, 2004, 06:38 PM

wala na space... :P

Edmundtanso

July 8th, 2004, 07:30 PM

any update on NAIA 3? wala na talaga?

renell

July 9th, 2004, 03:20 AM

not even if the domestic terminal is removed?

anyways, it has been mothballed "indefinately" so... :S

apiong

July 9th, 2004, 04:08 PM

but one good sign that they still plan to open NAIA T3 is that work is still progressing on the NAIA Expressway-Skyway Interchange at Sales/Nichols interchange... they won't be building it if they weren't keen on opening T3 soon...

federal

July 9th, 2004, 04:56 PM

it is and should be definitely opened...no doubt about that. but the big question is when...

Edmundtanso

July 9th, 2004, 07:37 PM

well, maybe they are doing the interchange because the deal was made before they had the NAIA 3 problem? i dont know but i really hope they oprn it, GMA should know better - the advantages of having a good infrastructure.

federal

July 10th, 2004, 04:12 PM

grabe super bagal ng government......................................

renell

July 11th, 2004, 05:32 AM

indeed it will be opened. but by the time it has been opened we would have moved on to other, bigger infra projects.

federal

July 11th, 2004, 10:11 AM

New cameras boost security at domestic airport
By Sandy Araneta
The Philippine Star 07/11/2004

The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) has boosted its security against terrorists, criminals and illegal activities with the installation of a closed circuit television (CCTV) system at the Manila Domestic Airport.

The MIAA said that the cost to put up the CCTV system, which includes the equipment and installation, was P997,762.03.

The system includes nine fixed cameras, three moving cameras, one camera with built-in zoom, five television monitors inside the control room, one monitor inside the office of the Officer-in-Charge of the Domestic Passenger Terminal, one monitor inside the office of the OIC of the Airport Police Department (APD) Domestic Terminal, one recorder, and other accessories.

In a proposal sent to MIAA General Manager Edgardo Manda on November 2003, the MIAA said the CCTV system for the Manila Domestic Passenger Terminal was initiated in coordination with the security office for the purpose of effective monitoring security and operational concerns at the building.

"This is one of the measures that the Authority undertakes to further assure our passengers and stakeholders of the security and comfort they deserve," Manda said in a statement.

The cameras were installed to monitor activities at the Manila Domestic Airport’s departure curbside, departure lobby entrance, terminal curbside entrance, departure lobby, initial security check, check-in area hallway, check-in area, final security check, pre-departure areas 1 and 2, arrival baggage claim area, and arrival hallway.

The project is designed with system recording features for all camera videos on real-time basis in order to attain good and efficient archiving. The system is capable of monitoring security operations and illegal activities. With the continuing threat of terrorism, the installation of the CCTV serves as a tool to counteract these threats, MIAA said in its proposal.

MIAA has trained from 2003 to 2004, a total of 102 newly-hired Airport Police Department (APD) officers, some of whom have been given assignments to handle the CCTV system.

The CCTV at the Manila Domestic Airport is manned by two APD policemen per shift, of three shifts a day, 24 hours a day, or a total of six per day. They are in a rotation basis, some of whom are also assigned in the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 1 building, to monitor areas in the NAIA complex. There are a total of 13 APD policemen manning the NAIA terminal, also in three shifts in a 24-hour basis.

--->what the hell is upgrade for if they're going to move all domestic flights to NAIA2... What a waste

Skyblade

July 12th, 2004, 07:01 AM

Oy you have the NAIA 1 upgrade, now this...I wonder what's next...

JudeD

July 12th, 2004, 09:15 AM

Almost 1 million pesos? That isn't a whole lot of money. And I guess they can reuse the cameras elsewhere when the airport is eventally relocated.

mysaong03

July 16th, 2004, 05:24 AM

does this mean it would stil take quite sometime b4 they can open terminal 3, my goodness naman, pero ano magagawa natin?? kundi wala!!! i could stil remember the time when DOTC said terminal 1 will be converted into a casino once d terminal 3 becomes operational, but that only sounded good until the road finally gets bumpy. hay, pag nasa terminal1 ka, parang cnumpa yung lugar! (exxag.). tulad nga ng cinabi ng 1 german tourist pagdating nya d2, para lang daw cyang old train terminal sa kanila, what a big smack!! nway....speaking of airports, bangkok is also scheduled to open their new airport next year, & most locals and foreigners now even say, its alrdy the best designed airport in S. E. asia. grabe, nanliliit ako sa sarili ko:-<

2xplicit

July 16th, 2004, 08:50 AM

its a shame.. isa nanamang sayang.. puro ganun nalang yata sa atin, finally somthing we can boast but its still beyond our reach.. sana magamit na rin yun before it gets outdated.. one more thing i think there should be better investment on airports in philippines, like what china has done.. all there new airports are stunning like these: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/593508/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/366268/L
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/297373/L
too bad wala tayong pera..

Kiel

July 16th, 2004, 09:33 AM

I don't think nothing will happen with this anymore. Parang ayaw namang i-approve ni Madam President eh... Sayang lang. I think it's the Clark Airport which will open, not the NAIA 3. Sayang...There are so many brand new airports in other countries, like what 2xplicit said... Ang ganda ng mga airport sa China!

Edmundtanso

July 16th, 2004, 06:49 PM

yeah, eas in china 2 months ago, all their airport are so high-tech and nice looking. i really hope that NAIA 3 would be made to use very soon and develop clark also!

but who know's when? i hope in our lifetime =(

Maupy

July 20th, 2004, 04:06 PM

Dear friends,

Sorry for my silly question. Please explain me how I can insert a picture in my message. Would like to share the Naia T3 corruption structure as it was in 2000 under Estrada.

Thanks!

absent-minded

July 20th, 2004, 07:46 PM

IMGURL

you get the IMGURL by right-clicking on the picture, then click Properties. copy the Address (URL)... paste the address in between the tags... :D

renell

July 21st, 2004, 08:23 AM

couldnt those CCTV's be moved buildings? and for the meantime, any upgrade for the Domestic Terminal, though only short term, would be good

Maupy

July 21st, 2004, 11:25 AM

After right clicking on the picture I do not see any URL.
Can't I e-mail apicture so somebody can post it for me?

Thanks!

Eriq

July 21st, 2004, 01:36 PM

Frequently Asked Question
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=59844

cruizer323000

July 22nd, 2004, 11:03 AM

can we say that the new terminal 3 is as good as dead?

renell

July 22nd, 2004, 01:37 PM

it's closed indefinately. i doubt they will just leave the mammoth piece of waste

Edmundtanso

July 22nd, 2004, 07:47 PM

hmmm....whatever happened, they should make sure of the NAIA 3,

when we were having the bangkok vs manila thread, when the bangkok group mentioned about their new airport, designed by murphy/jahn of chicago, i shut up and didn't mentioned about our airport =( i think NAIA 3 is only 1/8 of their new airport, kawawang kawawa naman ang pinas =( hope GMA would change this!

Edmundtanso

July 27th, 2004, 01:55 AM

http://edmundtanso.smugmug.com/photos/6581915-L.jpg

federal

July 27th, 2004, 02:38 AM

am starting to hate GMA
during the Sona, she emphasized infrastructure development

NAIA3 is there, it' just waiting to be opened... grabe... nasa harap na niya

Kiel

July 27th, 2004, 06:08 AM

Apologies to this sentence but I really don't think this airport will open anymore. :(

cruizer323000

July 27th, 2004, 06:14 AM

gma thought the gov't can just take over the terminal and pay the contractors like fraport in installments. wrong! :bash: now that she knows it can't be done she should just give up her plans and let the contractors operate the terminal like it was frist plan. but she is still hoping that fraport will break and accept her idea of the installment payments cause they invested so much already. its like she is saying to fraport if you dont accept my offer i will just let the terminal decay. it all comes down that we still got a rotten president. she should think about the little people in the philippines who dont have any jobs and the new terminal will solve a little of that problem. anything helps! its all about self interest to gma before people and country. now she is talking about changing the constitution thats her plan to stay in office forever.

Maupy

July 27th, 2004, 09:35 AM

Dear Edmund,

Thanks for posting the diagram.

This was made, to gain understanding, during the firts year of the Naia construction (2000).
Because it was extremely difficult to obtain approvals for suppliers outside the preferences of a large number of "collectors" linked to the government and PIATCO's board, we (Siemens) had to understand who to approach. As well the diagram shows the situation how the president receives his "donations" via interesting structures. This diagram only shows the influence for the scope: Mechanical, Electrical and Special Systems. You can imagine similar set-ups for the other scopes like construction, infrastructure, waste/water management.

We as Siemens were forced to work together with Fuji Haya (Pasong Tamo). Fuji Haya had no capacity or know-how to handle a project of this size. However Fuji Haya had 50% of Siemens scope, but Siemens had to management this scope. If Siemens refused, they would have been put aside; no project. Mr. Jess Munoz of Fuji Haya is the best crook I have ever seen. Somehow I even respect him. He is able to twist and turn stories, contracts and responsibilies. Always in favor of Fuji Haya, which is indirectly owned by former secretary to the president, Zamora (major share holder).

I had many secret meetings with Frankfurt Airport (Fraport), upon Fraport's request, to discuss what we could do about the theft in the project. Fraport saw so much money disappearing beyond their control. But no hard proof. Up to now Fraport has a hard time to submit any proof that they were ripped off by their partners, the family Cheng, of Piatco.
Jefferson Cheng has his own Architectual company. Again a money pit.

The Baggage Handling Systems was from the beginning inofficially allocated to Crisplant, from Denmark. Clever guys. A small clause, an an attachment to the Siemens / Takenaka contract indictaed that Crisplant was the sole approved supplier. Crisplant paid about 2 Mil. US$ via their contacts to Zamora. Whatever Siemens tried, no luck. Only if we would be willing to pay the 2 Mil. US$.

And so on, and so on. A never ending story. Similar feed back I received from other suppliers in the project.

Bottem line: I never understood that Fraport ever allowed this to happen. They were warned many many times. Unfortunately for them the Fraport management mainained a German naive mentality in Asia. they never played the game. In the meanwhile the responsible manager at Fraport (Handler) has been removed from his position. Too late.............

Why I write this: I think the people in the Philippines have the right to have a decent terminal. And have the right to know what happened.
A warning to foreign investors. The RP is a wonderful country with so many opportunities. You deserve so much more.

Take care,

Maupy

Lightspeed

July 27th, 2004, 10:14 AM

This is so outrageous!

The Government should exhaust all efforts to have this airport opened. Philippine interests dictate that this terminal be opened at once. All actions should be singularly directed toward meeting this goal.

I wonder what we as citizens can do to get this opened.

Edmundtanso

July 27th, 2004, 07:39 PM

maupy - you are welcome. wow, thanks for the information. after reading your note their, now i know why GMA feels this way about the NAIA 3. the corruption is so bad, this is so sad to hear, especially from a forrigner that worked in the country. but thank you for sharing this with us maupy.

but it's the past and we should move on! they should just open the damn airport and just try to make a deal with piatco.

pau_p1

July 28th, 2004, 02:48 AM

maupy... thanks....yeah... we know we deserve more... it sounded very bad to learn the red tape that occured.... :(

Francis20

July 28th, 2004, 12:41 PM

so Maupy is connected with what company?
thanks for the post!
post some more...I just waded thru it. will internlize later. I copied it and will print probably later. Am at work, will read it back home. :D

Edmundtanso

July 28th, 2004, 07:16 PM

yeah, $600 million for NAIA 3 is kinna high, i figure maybe like $300 million, so just on that kurakot na!

Maupy

July 30th, 2004, 01:50 PM

Hi Edmund, Francis20, Pau P1 and other friends,

I agree completely with you Edmund. This Terminal must open soon!
Just learned from my colleagues in Manila that we will finish everything coming September. What this means? No idea. Siemens will get their last payments (still making profit; unbelievable!) that's all I know. It for sure means that all mechanical end electrical systems are according Spec. Concluding the Terminal can be operated. Building Terminal System is the hart of the Terminal. CNA, the supplier, finished this installation as well. Let's roll!

We will look forward. Enjoying all improvement that are currently being made in Manila.
I believe that guys like you are the future for the RP, not the enclosed circle of persons that run the country at this moment.

Regards from a, finally, very sunny Europe.

Summer holidays starts tomorrow here.

federal

July 30th, 2004, 03:33 PM

so its opening.... indefinitely on September? hehe

kiretoce

July 30th, 2004, 03:38 PM

http://www.ersdac.or.jp/ASTERimage3/Image/Asia/MNL_Manila.jpg

kiretoce

July 30th, 2004, 04:29 PM

I apologize for the grainy photo. :?

Solblanc

August 1st, 2004, 06:47 AM

Keep an eye on NAIA-3 lawyers–Mar

By Efren L. Danao , Senior Reporter

Newly elected Sen. Manuel Roxas 2nd warned Friday against any move by government lawyers to deliberately lose the case involving the controversial Terminal 3 of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA-3).

NAIA-3 is almost finished but it has not opened. Its operation is the subject of an international arbitration after the government had indicated it would take over the franchise.

Roxas said the government should closely watch its lawyers in the case, or it would lose its case to the consortium primarily financed by Fraport AG, a German-based firm.

The consortium won the right to build and operate NAIA-3 by improving on a voluntary bid by a group of tycoons, called Asia’s Emerging Dragons Corp. The Supreme Court nullified amendments to the original contract, saying they were onerous and prejudicial to the government’s interest.

The consortium said it was willing to yield the franchise but asked the government to reimburse the $530 million it had supposedly spent for the construction of the NAIA-3.

Roxas, a member of the government panel that reviewed the NAIA-3 contract, said he was against paying the $530 million.

The original bid, he said, was for $360 million, and there is no justification for the government to pay more.

He warned that if the government did not keep an eye on its lawyers, it could end up paying the $530 million.

Besides the $530 million, the government would also have to spend about $100 million more to make NAIA-3 operational, Roxas said.

An investigation by the Senate blue-ribbon committee, headed by Sen. Joker Arroyo, exposed a number of questionable amendments to the original contract.

The committee also uncovered a number of spurious expenses, including the payment of millions to a consultant. Arroyo said this huge consultancy fee triggered suspicions that it was actually a kickback to facilitate the approval of the franchise and the contract amendments by various government offices.

Arroyo urged the government to scrutinize the details of the requested reimbursement to make sure that illegal expenses not related to the construction of the terminal are not included.

Plans for a new terminal were conceived in 1989, when the Department of Transportation and Communications commissioned the Aeroport de Paris to do a study to expand the Ninoy Aquino International Airport’s capacity.

In 1994 Asia’s Emerging Dragon Corp., a consortium formed by John Gokongwei, Andrew Gotianun, Henry Sy Sr., Lucio Tan, George Ty and Alfonso Yuchengco, submitted a proposal to the Manila International Airport Authority to build a new international airport.

In 1996 a consortium, formed by People’s Air Cargo and Warehousing Co. Inc. (Paircargo), Philippine Air and Grounds Services Inc. and Security Bank, submitted its own bid.

In October 1996 the Prebid and Awards Committee opened the proposals of AEDC and Paircargo Consortium. The two offered to build the NAIA Terminal-3 for at least $350 million under the build-operate-transfer program and to pay the government a percentage of its gross revenues during the 25-year contract in the following: 5-percent share in the first five years of operation, 7.5-percent share for the next 10 years and 10-percent share in gross revenues for the last 10 years.

Paircargo also offered to pay the government P17.75 billion as guaranteed payment for 25 years. AEDC offered P135 million.

The awards committee chose the proposal of Paircargo but gave AEDC 30 days to match the offer.

When AEDC failed, the bid was awarded to Paircargo, which would incorporate itself into the Philippine International Airport Terminals Co. Inc. (Piatco).

On July 9, 1997, the DOTC awarded the project to Piatco.

Three days later, Transportation Secretary Arturo Enrile and Piatco President Henry Go signed the concession agreement to build NAIA Terminal 3. The agreement allows Piatco to manage the terminal and collect fees, rentals and other charges.

The agreement is good for 25 years, renewable for another 25, after which Piatco would transfer operation to MIAA.

The agreement was amended in 1998 and supplemented three times until 2001.

In 2002 international airline service providers and employees of MIAA filed a case before the Supreme Court to nullify the agreement. Representatives Salacnib Baterina, Clavel Martinez and Constantino Jaraula filed a similar case.

In 2002 President Arroyo nullified the contract. To answer the charges, Piatco filed its comments before the Supreme Court in November 2002. The Office of the Solicitor General and the Office of the Government Corporate Counsel also filed their own comments, asking the Court to declare the concession agreements unconstitutional.

In March 2003 Piatco hauled the Philippine government before the International Chamber of Commerce of the International Court of Arbitration.

On May 5, 2003, the Supreme Court nullified Piatco’s concession agreement, ruling that certain parts were disadvantageous to the government. The Court also found out that the Piatco consortium was unable to meet the required 30-percent equity, or P2.75 billion out of the total project cost of $350 million, or about P9.18 billion.

The Court said that the financial statements of the consortium’s members showed that they could come up only with about 6 percent of the equity requirement.

On January 24, 2004, the Supreme Court dismissed Piatco’s motion for reconsideration and upheld its earlier decision to nullify the concession agreements.

source: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2004/jul/31/yehey/top_stories/20040731top5.html

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ITS GONNA OPEN!!!! ITS GONNA OPEN!!!!!! WIN OR LOSE, ITS OPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SOOOO SAVING UP MY ALLOWANCE TO FLY TO HK OR BKK FOR A DAY JUST TO USE THE TERMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

federal

August 1st, 2004, 08:55 AM

what date ? it didn't say anything. or year for that matter...

cruizer323000

August 1st, 2004, 09:22 AM

i believe it when its open :)

kiretoce

August 2nd, 2004, 03:04 PM

Sunday, August 1, 2004 10:22 PM

Part of Manila airport eyed as new economic zone site

By LAWRENCE AGCAOILI
TODAY Reporter

The Manila International Airport Authority is set to transform a portion of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) into a special economic zone to link the gateway facility of American logistics giant DHL Philippines with the facilities of German firm Lufthansa Technik AG.

Government sources said the airport authority is contemplating on tapping the members of the state-run Philippine Industrial Estates Association to undertake the development to relieve the government of the capital-intensive project.

The sources said the proposed ecozone would cover a sprawling 63-hectare land that would link the refurbished gateway of DHL at the heart of the NAIA complex with the aircraft maintenance and repair facility inside the special ecozone owned by Macroasia Corp. inside the Villamor Airbase.

According to the sources, there is a need to link both projects as the one-hectare property of DHL is not big enough to qualify as a special ecozone under the guidelines set by the Philippine Economic Zone Authority. To resolve the issue, a strip would be developed to link it with the special ecozone of Macroasia.

Once approved, the developer and operator of the ecozone would be entitled to income tax holiday, incentives under the build-operate-transfer law, provision of vital off-site infrastructure facilities, and option to pay a special 5-percent gross income tax in lieu of all national and local taxes, among others.

Locators inside the proposed ecozone would be entitled to income tax holiday or exemption from corporate income tax, payment of a special 5-percent tax on gross income after the lapse of the income tax holiday, as well as exemption from duties and taxes on imported capital equipment, spare parts, supplies and raw materials.

Major proponents of the jewelry sector have expressed interest in setting up stone-setting operations inside the proposed ecozone.

Furthermore, the ecozone could serve as a “logistics zone” where information-technology buildings, as well as warehouses for electronics and semiconductor companies, could be established.

DHL Philippines invested $15 million in 1999 to refurbish a gateway facility that serves as the exit and entry point for all shipments in and out of the Philippines.On the other hand, Macroasia Corp. is a joint venture between Lufthansa Technik AG of Germany and Lucio “Bong” Tan Jr.

In 1999 Lufthansa Technik acquired the engineering and aircraft maintenance business of Philippine Airlines when the country’s flag carrier was undergoing rehabilitation in order to pay off its financial obligations amounting to P90 billion. The following year, the German firm invested P5.26 billion to put up an aircraft maintenance and repair facility inside the Macroasia special ecozone inside the Villamor Airbase.

kiretoce

August 2nd, 2004, 11:53 PM

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:04 AM

Solutions to airport problems must wait

By RECTO MERCENE
TODAY Reporter

Newly installed airport manager Alfonso Cusi, former Philippine Ports Authority (PPA) chief, on Monday refused to announce any planned measure to address various problems at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA), saying it will take him three weeks “to learn the ropes.”

“I will not make any pronouncements on the direction we are going to take,” Cusi said. He said he needed a little more time to be briefed on current problems confronting the NAIA.

He only asked airport personnel to do three things: to put passion in whatever they do, to focus on their objective of improving the NAIA and to work as a team.

A shipping executive before he was tapped by President Arroyo to head the PPA in 2001, Cusi introduced nine major policy reforms that dramatically improved port operations, generating P2 billion in earnings for the government.

His biggest claim to fame is the introduction of the roll-on, roll-off (RO-RO) nautical highway that connects Metro Manila to Mindanao via a series of boat rides starting in Batangas City via Mindoro, Antique, Iloilo, Bacolod, Dumaguete, Dipolog and back.

A business administration graduate, Cusi would have his hands full managing the premier airport, which some observers said, would not be unlike managing a large corporation with him as the chief executive officer.

The top of the list includes security problems related to antiterrorism, the airport’s gargantuan debt with some local governments, the unabated “colorum” problem of transportation that discourages tourism growth, the burden of addressing the 34 competing private security agencies, concessions and business-related problems, including aviation complaints such as the corrugated runway because of poor maintenance.

As a source of business opportunities, the NAIA manager is usually besieged by various lobby groups and individuals trying to apply for concessions, while others are engaged in closing a deal for him to sign -- from such contracts as repairs of runways and taxiways to related aviation business in amounts running into millions of pesos.

Outgoing manager Edgardo Manda said he is now an undersecretary assigned to the Office of the President, but without any specific assignment.

He admitted that he failed to solve the “colorum” problem which involves the operations of a highly lucrative limousine service at the NAIA, some of whom are run through the “kabit” system by some NAIA employees themselves.Although the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) earns some P5 billion in revenues yearly, more than half of this is remitted to the National Treasury.

At the moment, the MIAA owes Parañaque City some P600 million and Pasay City P1.5 billion in obligations representing real-estate taxes.

kiretoce

August 3rd, 2004, 02:24 PM

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:18 PM

NAIA advises int'l passengers to check in early

International passengers traveling from the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) and the Manila International Airport (MIA) were advised on Tuesday to give at least three hours leeway before their scheduled departures due to the tightened security and check-in procedures.

Angel Atutubo, assistant general manager for security and emergency of the NAIA, said security at the NAIA and MIA has been tightened since Monday afternoon. This was after the United States declared that it was implementing a "high" level threat alert for the World Bank and IMF in Washington, the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions following intelligence information of a possible al-Qaeda attack.

"NAIA has flights going to the United States like Northwest, Continental, Asiana and Philippine Airlines so we have tightened the security," Atutubo told dzMM. "We are implementing rigid security screening as part of our precautionary measures."

Atutubo said additional checkpoints were placed at MIA's controlled land area leading to the terminal.

"All individuals going into the terminals at the MIA and the Centennial Terminal and Terminal 2 of the NAIA are checked whether they have the authority to enter the area," he said. "So far, the public has cooperated and the inspection procedure has been smooth."

"We advise passengers to give at least two and half hours to three hours before their scheduled flights to avoid delays," he added.

Atutubo also said security has been tightened at the domestic airports, although the management is more concerned over international flights because of the U.S. alert.

The "high," or code-orange, threat level is the second highest in the United States' five-stage terrorism alert system. It represents a "high risk of terrorist attacks."

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said al-Qaeda was targeting several specific buildings including the IMF and the World Bank, based on the discovery of materials analyzing how to attack these powerful symbols of western capitalism.

Atutubo said Philippine airports are facing seven possible aviation security threats including hijacking, acts of sabotage to aircraft, use of aircraft as weapons of destruction, attacks in aviation facilities and infrastructure, missile attacks against aircraft in flight, use of aircraft for chemical or biological warfare and cyber or other electronic attacks.

kiretoce

August 4th, 2004, 10:20 PM

Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:58 PM

Joker warns Gov't on Piatco deal without a tunnel

Independent Sen. Joker Arroyo said the Ninoy Aquino International Airport could not claim to be “world-class” without a connecting tunnel linking the soon-to-be-converted-to-domestic-terminal NAIA 1 facilities with the still-unopened NAIA 3 international terminal.

“With the tunnel, NAIA could be a world-class airport; without the tunnel, it cannot be classified as world-class,” Senator Arroyo said. “Tunnels or overpasses are a must, an ordinary fixture in world-class airports because it saves time commuting from one terminal to the other,” he added.

Senator Arroyo, chairman of the blue-ribbon committee inquiry into the controversial NAIA 3 project undertaken by the Philippine International Airport Terminal Co. (Piatco), issued the statement after Malacañang announced the appointment of new airport manager Alfonso Cusi in place of Edgar Manda, both of whom are known protegés of Jose Miguel Arroyo, the President’s husband.

In a statement, Senator Arroyo disclosed that the government and Piatco, the consortium that built NAIA 3, are back at the negotiating table after the Supreme Court and the Senate found the original Piatco contracts covering construction of NAIA 3 to be null and void.

“The government cannot and must not allow [a situation where] the construction and completion of the tunnel would not be part of the overall settlement at no cost to the government,” Senator Arroyo insisted. In the alternative, he added, the cost of constructing the 1.5- kilometer tunnel should be deducted from the settlement price, estimated to be around $600 million, which Piatco claimed to have spent building the unopened third NAIA terminal located beside Villamor airbase.

He pointed out that the nonconstruction of the tunnel was one of the factors why the Piatco contract was voided. According to the senator, NAIA 3 was intended to be a world-class terminal. As originally envisioned, the existing NAIA 1 would be the domestic terminal for all airlines while NAIA 3 would be the new international terminal for all airlines. NAIA 2, also known as the Centennial airport terminal, would remain an exclusive terminal for domestic and international flights of Philippine Airlines.

Solblanc

August 5th, 2004, 09:29 AM

NAIA-1 is going to handle domestic flights? Can it handle domestic flights? are there enough gates? Not only that, its pretty far from the 13/31 runway! I thought NAIA-2 was supposed to be a world-class domestic airport instead of a cramped PAL terminal...

PAL is going to have a difficult time expanding their operations if their terminal is at its operating capacity, too.

Also, if what little traffic in NAIA-1 is transferred to terminal 3, T3 might just end up looking like HKIA during SARS. At any given time, there are usually only two or three jets parked in T1. That's gonna look so lonely in T3. If there's going to be a tunnel constructed, then PAL should decongest T2 and make it purely domestic. T1 can be for budget airlines (its time that we joined the fray)

But that's just my opinion, and my dream of seeing a T3 bustling with activity.

amras

August 5th, 2004, 11:02 AM

well it might be that PAL will be also using T3 for other flights aside from their exlusive use of the T2.

Kiel

August 5th, 2004, 11:34 AM

David-80

August 5th, 2004, 05:49 PM

Maybe the reason NAIA3 aint open yet because PAL doesnt really want to move into NAIA3...

cheers

kiretoce

August 5th, 2004, 10:56 PM

Maybe the reason NAIA3 aint open yet because PAL doesnt really want to move into NAIA3...

cheers

Regardless whether PAL wants to move its int'l operations to T3 or not, they should just commence usage of T3 and avail of it's modern facilities and not just let it rot there and collect dust. T1 is just so dated and inconvenient to all who works in it and transits through it, a negative first impression to foreigners upon landing on Philippine soil.

cruizer323000

August 6th, 2004, 01:40 AM

your obsolutely right (kiretoce ) T-1 is in a state of neglect . its a terminal that just got ignored because it was being manage by the philippine gov't . thats why the new T-3 needs to be handle by a private contractor or else if the gov't will operate the new terminal it will fail again on what is expected or required to run a clean airport. the gov't can't even maintain the toilets of T-1 :bash: im pretty sure fraport and piatco can atleast have clean toilets at the new T-3....PRESIDENT GMA... talking about corruption in building the new T-3 ...how about corruption at the T-1. she has been in office for 3 yrs and the toilets at the T-1 still stinks and the luggage belt looks like what you see in world war 2 :bash: . i hope and pray the germans will run the new terminal.

mysaong03

August 6th, 2004, 05:28 AM

yah, i do hope so, kahit pa galit na galit ang mga germans ngayon dahil sa corruption d2 sa phils. hay... nvertheless, its realy true that frankfurt airport is one of the best run airports in the world, & germans r 1 of the best managers.

ryanr

August 7th, 2004, 08:00 AM

Why don't they just open NAIA 3 first and let the international airlines move to the new terminal? Then, they can go and build the tunnel while the terminal is already operating. For me, I want to see the terminal opened first before they go building the tunnel.

I think this is a major reason to why they are not opening the terminal yet. They need the tunnel to transport baggages and other goods from terminal 3 to terminal 2 or vice versa. Without the tunnel, it would be unsafe to go around the perimeter of the secondary runway whilst carrying luggage, especially with terror threats nowadays.

federal

August 7th, 2004, 03:02 PM

i think GMA is just so stubborn to do it. i am starting to hate her. Ramos would have opened it long long time ago if it had been under his administration

cruizer323000

August 7th, 2004, 10:21 PM

----greyx---is the tunnel bieng contructed? if its being contructed then for sure the terminal will open :) why would the philippine gov't build a tunnel and not open the new terminal. so its a good sign that the terminal will eventually open. please keep us inform if that tunnel is being constructed ---anyone

ryanr

August 8th, 2004, 12:34 PM

I dunno if the tunnel is currently underconstruction. But i bet the govt will still try to "save money" and compromise something. Maybe they will open the terminal even without a tunnel...

cruizer323000

August 8th, 2004, 10:18 PM

thanks for the update..greyx

federal

August 10th, 2004, 03:39 PM

you know what guys, sometime I just wish terminal 1 catches fire so suddenly there is an urge to open terminal 3.... hehe. sorry for the evil wishful thinking.

kiretoce

August 10th, 2004, 03:51 PM

you know what guys, sometime I just wish terminal 1 catches fire so suddenly there is an urge to open terminal 3.... hehe. sorry for the evil wishful thinking.

I think we have an arsonist in the the making here! :lol:

Crazy4Airplanes

August 10th, 2004, 04:58 PM

hello!!!!

This is my first post. I have to agree that NAIA 3 must have a tunnel connecting it to Terminals 1 and 2. By doing this, passengers who have connecting flights will not have to leave the airport premises, hail a cab or a jeepney to transfer to the other terminals. This is the case for true world class airports. Some of them even have trams (like in Detroit, Honolulu, Singapore), and linkage to public transport like trains (bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Hongkong, Singapore). And also, without a tunnel, and considering the traffic condition nowadays, the passenger might miss his connecting flight. It could take quite some time traveling from Terminal 3 to either T1 or T2.

Also, I have browsed through all pages of this forum and there isnt a single picture of NAIA 3s departure area (duty free area, vip lounges area, and most importantly, the transit area complete with the boarding gates.) The only ones that i see here are pics of the terminals checkin area nd the exterior. How about the exterior from the back? With the gates facing the camera? That'd be cool!!!!!

ryanr

August 10th, 2004, 05:04 PM

Welcome to the forums! I think their first priority in the tunnels is for luggage and other goods to be transported between the terminals, and then passengers through a Monorail. I doubt the monorail will come soon, but hopefully they will build it sometime for the reasons you mentioned. If not, we'd have to wait for Clark for our true "world class airport".

I took a picture of NAIA 3 from NAIA 2 a year ago. I'll try to dig it up and post it. It gives us a view of the gates.

SKYLINEPIGEON

August 10th, 2004, 05:32 PM

i thought the wont push thru with the tunnel coz its more expensive, they said surface connection will be more cheaper and faster to construct

federal

August 10th, 2004, 06:29 PM

pero grabe, iikot pa ng dulo ng runway 26....

absent-minded

August 10th, 2004, 06:38 PM

you know what guys, sometime I just wish terminal 1 catches fire so suddenly there is an urge to open terminal 3.... hehe. sorry for the evil wishful thinking.

hahaha!!! :whisper: :banned:

isn't the NAIA Expressway supposed to link the Skyway to Terminal 3 to Terminal 2 to Terminal 1? or does it go only up to T3?

kiretoce

August 10th, 2004, 06:41 PM

Edmundtanso

August 10th, 2004, 09:37 PM

well, they could use like a bus to transfer passengers from one terminal to the other but ofcourse a tunnel would be better but for now a bus will work since we dont have the funds! any update on NAIA 3? maybe we could write a letter to GMA

kiretoce

August 10th, 2004, 11:39 PM

http://www.tropicalisland.de/MNL%20Manila%20Ninoy%20Aquino%20International%20Airport%20PAL%20aircrafts.jpg

absent-minded

August 11th, 2004, 03:55 AM

nice find! looks so cool! does PAL ever fill up all gates at NAIA T2? how many are there?

renell

August 11th, 2004, 08:23 AM

there's not a lot. not more than 15 i think.

havent heard anything about a tunnel. to make it simple the best thing to do would be create a bus going to T2 and T3 every 5 minutes. the secondary runway though would be dangeorous to cross :D so they have to go around it. but i havent seen that runway used that much.

Crazy4Airplanes

August 11th, 2004, 09:00 AM

NAIA 2 only has 12 gates. 5 in the Northwing and then 7 in Southwing. I dont think PAL fills up all of the t2 gates. I read somewhere that you cant park 2 747s or 340/330s next to one another in t2 since it was designed for regional and narrowbodied planes. It wasnt designed to handle intl flights in the first place. notice that there are no duty free shops there and also, the immigration area is noticeably just added.

Crazy4Airplanes

August 11th, 2004, 09:03 AM

pictures of NAIA 3 departure gates please!!! From inside and the back. hehehe :lol:

docz

August 11th, 2004, 03:23 PM

nice find! looks so cool! does PAL ever fill up all gates at NAIA T2? how many are there?

There are a total of 12. In the southwing (domestic) there are 7, five of which can take in a narrow bodied jet, and the remaining two can take a widebody jet, although I doubt they they can simultaneously take a 747-400. In the northwing (international), there are five, all of which can take in a wide body jet, but only to can take in a 747-400 (assuming that the other bays are also filled). All gates have only one aerobridge per gate. The middle area at the corner of the V-shaped terminal which has two aerobridges connected to one course is actually two gates side by side.

absent-minded

August 11th, 2004, 06:11 PM

oh, I see. looks like PAL's never gonna get to fit an A380 in there... :D

Crazy4Airplanes

August 12th, 2004, 12:28 PM

absent-minded

August 12th, 2004, 10:49 PM

yeah. and i don't think PAL even has plans of ordering A380s. Also, the entire NAIA cannot handle A380s. Not even Terminal 3 if it becomes operational. The reason being the wingspan of A380 is so wide that the entire runway including taxiways must be empty for it to land. that means that if ever an A380 lands, all planes must be parked on the side. hehehe. parang bus sa edsa.

lol... yeah, too bad. and there's no room for expansion at NAIA either. could they use the second runway if they upgraded it? can't wait to have DMIA put up. better beat the new BKK...

kiretoce

August 13th, 2004, 12:00 AM

lol... yeah, too bad. and there's no room for expansion at NAIA either. could they use the second runway if they upgraded it? can't wait to have DMIA put up. better beat the new BKK...

That's a tough order. BKK's new int'l airport is huge! But who knows what may happen, maybe we can really beat BKK and other top-notch airports in the region. :)

federal

August 13th, 2004, 05:37 AM

maybe 2050.... hehe. hay. GMA sucks. How can we gain much air traffic if she doesn't open a single 500$million airport against BKK's $5B airport :bash:

rico

August 13th, 2004, 06:09 AM

maybe 2050.... hehe. hay. GMA sucks. How can we gain much air traffic if she doesn't open a single 500$million airport against BKK's $5B airport :)
i think the best thing we can do now is support our government and do whatever we can to help our nation. badmouthing doesn't help open an airport.

federal

August 13th, 2004, 06:59 AM

Skyblade

August 13th, 2004, 07:25 AM

Is it open yet? :? :wallbash: :P

JudeD

August 13th, 2004, 09:38 AM

The Amazing Race team already passed through here last February.

federal

August 13th, 2004, 10:13 AM

huh? akala ko sabi sa papers papunta pa lang yung teams? baka naman logistics sinasabi mo

Kiel

August 13th, 2004, 11:10 AM

tapos na, kasi they edit the episodes pa... 2 pit stops are in the Philippines btw, :D one is in Coconut Palace and the other one at El Nido... So you know, sometimes it makes me wonder... The contestants know who already won then. Lol. How do they keep it secret? Lol.

federal

August 13th, 2004, 02:16 PM

yeah!!! :) grabe ang tagal na. sa bagay, lahat ng places alam na. what places napuntahan nila? pit stop yung coco palace and el nido? what about yung mga challenges.... rizal park or sampaguita vending or something at roxas?

rico

August 13th, 2004, 05:12 PM

sorry rico. but i have been supporting her since she came into office in 2000. I even said, wow GMA in power. ERAP sucked for 3 years. I even believed an economist could do it. 4 years later, nothing done. in fact, things got worse and nullified. please respect my opinion,whether it be good or bad. i mean come on, this is an open forum mate. and my statement is practical and real... and it is as simple as saying how can you improve your economy without opening a structure or a facility that is ALREADY THERE? now do you understand rico?
i do respect your opinion just as i expect you to respect mine. :D

i don't really dig the idea of blaming it all on the president (whoever he/she is) for all our sufferings. your usual expression, "**** sucks" doesn't really have a place in proper society and it doesn't really help solve the country's problems.

it may also be very easy to say open the facility that is already there but unfortunately, it's more complicated than that. there are so many factors that have to be considered, contracts that have to be followed, etc. etc.

cruizer323000

August 13th, 2004, 09:23 PM

the way i understand it the new terminal 3 if it went as plan was suppose to be operated by fraport and piatco and after 20 yrs it was to be turn over to the philippine gov't. and during this 20 yr contract by fraport and piatco they suppose to pay a rent fee to the gov't. then when gma became president one of the frist thing she did was to void the contract claiming of dishonest dealings. wicked dealings happen everywhere. here in seattle they just finiished building a new terminal that was $150 million over budget, the total cost of the terminal was $575 million paid by the tax payers. in the philippines the deal was really sweet cause you get a new terminal and the tax payers dont need to pay a centavo and in 20 yrs it belongs to them. what is gma thinking :bash: ah maybe she is thinking of doing her own evil behavior. lots of money to be made when you got control of an airport. the problem is president gma the germans dont want installment payments and you dont have the cash to pay them in full. for the good of the people and country just let the germans operate the airport, GMA! stop thinking of yourself. your filty rich already.

renell

August 14th, 2004, 02:36 AM

cruizer323000

August 14th, 2004, 03:43 AM

even the situation in the philippines is not so good with high unemployment and low wages i still want to live there in the future. to me the philippines is still the best place to live if your a pinoy. i hope i can do it in a few yrs. life is so short dont want to miss the fun in my home province, zamboanga. :)

MixedMike

August 14th, 2004, 04:45 AM

federal

August 14th, 2004, 04:50 AM

i agree with Rico. GMA isn't entirely the person to blame. even if Ramos was in her shoes, he can't start projects. during Mr. Estrada's term, the economic situation went down. so now whoever President we have, our infastructure projects must come slowly.

Ramos was able to do anything. Built MRT 3, NAIA Terminal 2, C5, FBGC Interchange, Skyway Phase 1. ---> Sad to say all inaugurated under ERAP's term dahil tagal construction. On GMA's term, most projects were just spillovers witing to be opened by her. One big example is NAIA 3. The point is if Ramos could do it, why can't she...

ryanr

August 14th, 2004, 05:14 AM

I'd have to agree with both rico and federal in some points. GMA is trying her best to do the right things, so we should support her. But what she needs to do is really focus and get these things done without too much controversy and red tape. What makes Ramos so good is that he started off as president of a really torn country and turned it into something so much better in just 6 years. We all know our country fell significantly during the 80s, and Cory didnt do anything but to blame the Marcos. Then, Ramos came along with huge budget deficits, low investment, lagging GDP growth, power shortages, etc, etc and built lots of infrastructre, attracted huge investors, ensured power supply, high GDP growth, etc. BGC was even designed because there was so much activity going on before the 1997/1998 economic crisis. This is exactly what GMA needs to do, she started off with a country much better than what Ramos started off with.

amras

August 14th, 2004, 05:33 AM

well one reason that the Ramos administration became successful is that majority of the people is supporting him... today, evryone is doing pointless bickerings... too much politics... why can't we just support each other especially our leaders? it is our duty, as citizens, after all. though it is also important to criticize them, "constructively".

majority, minority, administration, opposition, these should be things of the past. the keyword here is "should" and we "could" start changing now.

we cannot always blame GMA or whoever becomes the leader of our country. we are the ones who put these people into office. remember that as as society we are interdependent that means that one's fault is everyone's fault.

with regards to the terminal 3, I agree with rico. we cannot just say "open the damn airport!" because it's not easy as it seems. it's not even about the money the GMA can get from the deals. I don't think "our" President can do that. On the part of the government, however, the process prior to the opening of the terminal should not take long. Filipinos deserve a better gateway that can showcase us.

renell

August 14th, 2004, 06:42 AM

GMA is only at the beginning of her real 6 year term. i suppose Ramos didnt start Skyway and C-5 in 1992 did he?

Solblanc

August 14th, 2004, 08:45 AM

GMA's powers can only go so far. She's already doing what she can to open terminal 3. She already caved to paying off PIATCO, which she should have sued in the first place. Unfortunately, that kind of action would have delayed the opening even more. PIATCO took so many shortcuts during the project, and it doesn't help at all that they were able to pay off people in the government to agree to scrapping some terms in the contract, like "tunnel" and "cargo terminal", which disappeared in short order because Erap couldn't keep a leash on them.

NAIA-3 is one huge mess. The government is doing what it can to extricate themselves from it.

Crazy4Airplanes

August 14th, 2004, 06:03 PM

I got this from the internet. It was dated Julne of this year so the information should more or less be accurate. Bute God, i hope we wont have towait two more years for the place to open. Bangkoks new airport costs 4 times more than NAIA three and yet they are not having problems with it. It was said that the reason why they created NAIA 3 was because Terminal 1 handles 7million pax already which is 2 million more than its designed capacity of 5 million. The numbr of tourists/passenters increases yearly. That means that if we wait 2 more years, we're looking at more or less 9-10 million passengers. So we're looking at just a few years befor Terminal 3 exceeds its design capacity of 13 million. That will be another problem for the government. As i understand it, there is no more room for expansion at the NAIA. I just hope that Terminal 3 opens soon so that we can put this whole f#@$ing fiasco behind us and concentrate on where we are gonna put passengers in the near future. Maybe definite plans for the development of the DMIA.

Btw, i went to LA via Singapore last summer. I know that it is a lack of nationalism on my part but i'm really ashamed of Terminal 1. Whereas Changi has a swimming pool, movie theater, shopping mall, gym, hotel, and others, NAIA Terminal 1 has linoleum floors, toilets whose flush wont work, rust covered interior, and rude staff.

NAIA 3 Won't Open in 2 Years---Manda
By Aileen Sarah Techico

The Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3, another impotent giant, is awaiting verdict from several decision-making bodies while arbitrators try to iron out this problem which carries with it a more than half a billion-peso price tag.

"On the part of MIAA management," Manila International Airport Authority General Manager Edgardo Manda explained, "we have always wanted to already operate and open terminal 3 because of the condition of terminal 1. (The latter) is very crowded, and the fact that tourist arrivals are increasing, the (terminal's) capacity is only five million, we're processing seven million and we're having difficulty meeting world standards." The new NAIA 3 has a 13-million passenger capacity.

Legal Arbitration
The disputes between the Philippine International Air Transports Company (PIATCo), Frankfurt Airport (Fraport) and the Philippine government have broadened their scope, involving foreign arbitration bodies like the World Banking International Center for the Settlement of Industrial Disputes (WB-ICSID). On September 17 last year, Fraport sought the help of WB-ICSID about its case against the Republic of the Philippines. PIATCo's reconsideration case has already been denied with finality by the Supreme Court. Manda said that the contention should be done inside the Philippines and not have to go through foreign entities.

But foreign bodies still criticized the incumbent government's meddling with a contract that should have been honored - "onerous provisions" or not.

Lawyers of the PIATCo consortium met for arbitration in Singapore last June 10 to discuss terms of reference. The other arbitration proceeding will take place in Washington, USA in July next year. Barring longer arbitration cases, Manda said he expects operations to begin in one to two years. Former PIATCo General Manager Guillermo Cunanan agreed this was a reasonable estimate.

The Other Side of the Coin
However, NAIA 3 has been rendered a white elephant while its case is being decided upon. Philippine government officials, particularly in the Office of the Solicitor General, stated that changes have been made within the contents of the PIATCo contract and "several irregularities and inconsistencies" were found that deprived the government of a good deal. The government also stated another reason why it has annulled the PIATCo case: that PIATCo was not capable to finance the whole NAIA 3 project.

Cunanan argued that this was impossible as the PIATCo consortium already financed the 97 percent-complete NAIA 3 since 2002. "And even if this is true (PIATCo's inability to finance the NAIA 3 project)," Cunanan argued, "why blame PIATCo? Blame the government body that pre-qualified PIATCo to set up the NAIA 3 project."

PIATCo stated that, "To take away the project from PIATCo and give it to the erring party (the government) now that the facilities have been completed because of the government's own technical error is absolutely unjust."

For their case, PIATCo maintains the following:
•President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo preempted the SC's ruling by voicing out her own opinion in November 2002 before the benefit of an SC decision was reached.

•Claimed that this recent fiasco has produced a negative impact on Philippine investments

•Employment opportunities have been canceled

•Loan interests for the money PIATCo spent for the project are piling up (cost of delay has reached no less than P2 billion).

•The government produced no proof that the award of contract to PIATCo was tainted with fraud.

•Under the Build-Operate-Transfer law, the government will not provide any equity for the terminal. NAIA 3, though classified as a Public Utility, is still a privately-owned and funded project. Also, the government did not put a maximum amount but only a minimum amount of $350 million for the whole cost of expenses. PIATCo spent $525 million so far, not $650 million as the government claimed.

•The government, not PIATCo, should shoulder the cost of the tunnel connecting terminals 2 and 3. The tunnel cost was not included in the NAIA 3 contract as a separate clause that stated that the tunnel construction would still have to undergo further negotiation between the selected bidder and the government.

•PIATCo did not change the contents of their contract during former President Joseph Estrada's term as the incumbent government is stated. They maintained that the original contract already has a provision that allows the winning bidder - not necessarily PIATCo - to borrow on a 70/30 loan to equity ratio. PIATCo explained that the later amendments to the original contract are justified legally and morally and did not prejudice Asia's Emerging Dragon Corp., the sole competitor of PIATCo.

•The Amended & Restated Concession Agreement contains a Separability Clause which provides that any provision that may be found erroneous or illegal shall not be a cause for the nullification of the whole contract.

•The government should make a termination payment to PIATCo equal to the appraised value of the development facility or the sum of the attendant liabilities if greater. Under this provision, if there is a default, and the government has to take over, the government will pay the owner for the assets it is getting.

The ongoing legal disputes have punched a black eye on the face of the country's tourism efforts. In the meanwhile, NAIA 3 facilities are deteriorating from lack of maintenance. PIATCo and the government are both ignoring the responsibility for the big elephant in the room; Manda said as they have no access to the place, it is the builder who should care for it.

Almost everyone is in agreement that the NAIA 3 would certainly be a good advertisement for the Philippine tourism and should boost the country's economy. Bridging Manila's newest airport's legal issues is another matter.

Crazy4Airplanes

August 14th, 2004, 06:05 PM

oh, and btw, Changi uses Plasma TVs and flat panel monitors in their transitr lounges and boarding gates, and have free internet access for all inside the terminal.

Crazy4Airplanes

August 14th, 2004, 07:02 PM

:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

rico

August 14th, 2004, 07:20 PM

Ramos was able to do anything. Built MRT 3, NAIA Terminal 2, C5, FBGC Interchange, Skyway Phase 1. ---> Sad to say all inaugurated under ERAP's term dahil tagal construction. On GMA's term, most projects were just spillovers witing to be opened by her. One big example is NAIA 3. The point is if Ramos could do it, why can't she...
we should also put into consideration that during ramos' time, the whole asia, south east asia especially, was doing marvelous... until 1997 that is. asia had lots of money and investments during that time.

federal

August 14th, 2004, 08:43 PM

GMA is only at the beginning of her real 6 year term. i suppose Ramos didnt start Skyway and C-5 in 1992 did he?

he did.

federal

August 14th, 2004, 08:45 PM

we should also put into consideration that during ramos' time, the whole asia, south east asia especially, was doing marvelous... until 1997 that is. asia had lots of money and investments during that time.

i agree... :) Hay. I hope the boom times will be back. We have been in moderation for 6 years now since the crisis.

kiretoce

August 14th, 2004, 09:59 PM

renell

August 15th, 2004, 02:02 AM

he did.

that took a long time then, his long term to create less than 30kms of highway. and mind you the section to Buendia wasnt even done at that time.

federal

August 15th, 2004, 06:29 AM

i meant he was able to jumpstart the major infra projects and all. Anyway, I think you guys are right. Things are different now. We are in a post-crisis scenario. Less investments, less funds. :(

cruizer323000

August 17th, 2004, 09:20 AM

anyone got any info on whats happening with terminal 3? is there any construction happning in the airport or is it just dead with security guarding the facilities?

federal

August 17th, 2004, 10:10 AM

dead with security guards... viewed from the outside. I lvoe to pass by this thing everyday... nice view

cruizer323000

August 17th, 2004, 07:10 PM

seems like terminal 3 wont open this yr again? i hope it will open by the time im going home for vacation next yr september 2005? the new terminal just got to open i can't see fraport just letting its investment go to hell like that. maybe fraport will back down and take the philippine gov't offer of $350 million in installment payments? i dont see president GMA backing down cause the gov't didn't invest a centavo in the new terminal. so its really fraport"s call now.

muzic_lover2981

August 18th, 2004, 06:38 AM

Lawmaker urges NAIA 3 use
Senate committee on tourism chairman Richard T. Gordon yesterday urged the government to explore all efforts that would pave the way for the opening of the stagnating Terminal 3 of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA).

The administration lawmaker, a former Tourism secretary, noted that the government should not waste time in harnessing the potentials of the infrastructure project.

"I would like to see the airport opened. We should open that immediately but investigate the people who put it up. Eventually, that airport will belong to the government but it is deteriorating right now," Mr. Gordon told a news conference.

He added the opening of the NAIA 3 would not compromise the pending requests for arbitration before international bodies.

The Philippine Air Terminals Co. Inc. (Piatco) has filed a request for arbitration before the International Chamber of Commerce's Court of Arbitration. German firm Fraport AG also filed a request for arbitration before the World Bank's International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes.

The lawmaker further said the unresolved issues surrounding the terminal project should not spoil the entire undertaking.

"We have to pay over $3 million for the first six months of arbitration, also for German firm Fraport for the panel. In the mean time, we are not making money from the airport. It is very important for us to look at these things," Mr. Gordon said.

He noted that the operation of the NAIA 3 could be done through a memorandum of agreement that would provide a joint venture undertaking between the government and Piatco. -- Carina I. Roncesvalles

renell

August 18th, 2004, 07:58 AM

i really hope it will be open for the next SEA games. we would have a lot of int'l atheletes and tourists coming. and NAIA3 would be a perfect place for them to land.

absent-minded

August 18th, 2004, 09:20 AM

I just hope so too...

Crazy4Airplanes

August 18th, 2004, 01:58 PM

How many gates does the Terminal 3 have? I have looked at the pictures and i can see that its not that much. I've counted only 16 gates. Doesn't T1 have 16 gates as well?

federal

August 18th, 2004, 02:34 PM

i think T1 has 12 gates.... super cramped boarding gates :(

renell

August 19th, 2004, 12:16 AM

i think T3 has two more than T1. but T3 has more retail space and from the looks of it, you will feel less "cramped". in T1 there's little glass, and you feel like you're surrounded.

cruizer323000

August 19th, 2004, 07:47 AM

i heard T-3 is going to have a shopping mall ? is this true?

renell

August 19th, 2004, 08:10 AM

i heard T-3 is going to have a shopping mall ? is this true?

well a duty-free, food court. maybe some shops. but i dont think it will have a mall the size of the ones in MM.

ryanr

August 19th, 2004, 11:26 AM

yeah, its more like a duty free with lots of shops - similar to Singapore and Dubai, but in a smaller scale.

The pre-departure waiting area of T3 should also be bigger than T1's;)

Crazy4Airplanes

August 19th, 2004, 12:44 PM

yeah... the duty free area in T1 is just too cramped already esp on the cosmetics section. one has to be very careful coz he just might break something. a food court would be good too compared to the coffee shop that sells ridiculously priced food. Which arent good by the way.

Btw, so its final na? When t3 opens, T1 will still be used for Domestic flights for domestic planes other than PAL right? I jst hope they'd renovate it before they move their operations there.

renell

August 19th, 2004, 12:48 PM

T2 is supposed to be for the domestic flights, with PAL moving their int'l flights to T3. but either way would do good. but we need a cargo terminal.

ryanr

August 19th, 2004, 12:54 PM

If there was to be a cargo terminal, i bet it would be in Clark rather than in NAIA.

renell

August 19th, 2004, 01:08 PM

well couldnt T1 be used as a cargo terminal? right now going to Clark is quite a long journey.

ryanr

August 19th, 2004, 01:27 PM

yeah, thats true...but i said most probably it will go to Clark. Thats how the govt works.

cruizer323000

August 19th, 2004, 07:55 PM

how many gates does the T-3 have? if i remember right 14?

cruizer323000

August 19th, 2004, 08:51 PM

i thought a 4 storey mall was build at the new t-3? so it was never build? i wish they will put like a day hotel at the new t-3 or t-2 like the one in tokyo airport were u can take a shower , nap for a bit and just refresh yourself before your next flight. that would be ideal at the new t-3 or t-2 for people who are connecting flights to the province cause you have to wait like 4 to 6 hours after arriving in the philippines for your next flight to your home province. i remember it cost like $8 an hr which is not bad at all regarding its tokyo.

renell

August 20th, 2004, 12:19 AM

how many gates does the T-3 have? if i remember right 14?

i think it's T-1 that has 14 gates. T3 has much more than that.

and also i think there's a hotel nearby the NAIA complex

Medan01

August 20th, 2004, 02:21 AM

You guys really need this terminal - it looks so nice. What a change from the old T1. I hope the problem will be resolved soon.

ryanr

August 20th, 2004, 11:49 AM

i think it's T-1 that has 14 gates. T3 has much more than that.

and also i think there's a hotel nearby the NAIA complex

Yes, Philippine Village Hotel. But that hotel has been closed for a while now. It is totally abandoned. And remember the reports of a possible T2 extention? If they were to do that, they would have to tear down the hotel.

federal

August 20th, 2004, 12:52 PM

Squeeze play to grab NAIA 3?
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By JOAN DAIRO
Sen. Sergio Osmeña yesterday said "Jose Pidal" was blocking negotiations between the government and the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. and the German firm Fraport AG to settle their dispute over the Ninoy Aquino International Airport passenger terminal 3.

In the Lacson exposé probe last year, Negros Occ. Rep. Ignacio Arroyo, brother of the President's husband Mike, claimed he was the Jose Pidal into who accounts were desposited campaign contributions used by President Arroyo when she ran for vice president in 1988.

Osmeña said government representatives in the negotiation are deliberately delaying resolution of the dispute on the prodding of "Pidal" who is allegedly interested in taking over Piatco through "dummies."

"My suspicion is that this government does not want to resolve this controversy. There is a hidden hand which wants to buy out the shares of the Cheng Yongs and then subsequently take over Piatco. Mukhang sinasadya talaga ito. And that hidden hand is Jose Pidal," Osmeña said.

Rep. Arroyo could not be reached for comment.

Arroyo stepped forward as "Jose Pidal" after his elder brother, Jose Miguel Arroyo, was accused by Sen. Panfilo Lacson of having deposited hundreds of millions in bank accounts under the name of "Jose Pidal."

Osmeña said while Fraport might be the beneficial owners of 61 percent of Piatco, the Cheng Yongs have a 55 percent voting right in the consortium.

"And if you have majority voting right, you can appoint as many cronies as you want as directors. And that is what Jose Pidal wants. He could work in the shadows and his dummies would control the company," he said.

"The public should be made aware of this zarzuela being foisted by this administration on the Filipino people," he said.

Osmeña said the government could have settled as early as last year the issue on how much compensation should be paid Fraport for the expenses it incurred for the construction of the passenger terminal.

Fraport and Piatco officials are claiming $520 million as reimbursement.

The government is offering a $325 million package, with 20 percent in cash and the balance covered by a long-term concession to run NAIA III.

Osmeña said the Arroyo government could have gone to the courts, specifically the Supreme Court which voided Piatco's contract with government, and asked permission to conduct a survey of the new NAIA terminal to determine actual expenses.

"They could have gotten a court order for the conduct of a quantity survey, which could tell how much was really spent for the project without looking into the books of Fraport. And the findings of this survey would exclude kickbacks that they paid," Osmeña said.

Quantity surveyors, according to Osmeña, could determine what kind of construction materials were used, the quantity used and the cost.

Osmeña said it would be useless for the government to insist on reviewing the financial books of Fraport to determine the expenses incurred since "these books would already be doctored."

"These expenses would include kickbacks given to government officials in exchange for perks given to Piatco," he said.

Highly reliable sources earlier said a Malacañang official attempted to pad the amount to be reimbursed to Piatco-Fraport.

The sources said the extra amount running into millions of dollars would be distributed government officials, including "tenants of Malacañang."