[MNL] Manila-Ninoy Aquino International Airport - Compiled Threads [Archive] - Page 49

swahi

May 23rd, 2009, 09:15 AM

Ooopps...naintriga ako dyan...

1. Anyway, T3 cant expect any improvement until the dispute is not settled.

2. For the meantime, why not the government (MIAA) focus on improving the T1 and T2..why not maximize their potentials? Why not improve their capabilities to 21st standards?

3. Time will come when our economy has reached the same level of economic development experienced by Malaysia (which I firmly believe we can. We can even surpass them with our huge mineral and human resources)....we can have a far better airport...

4. Of course, Not in Manila. Its already too overcrowded...perhaps in Sangley point in Cavite or in Clark or Subic....

1. That's also my point. The reason why T3 is stuck the way it is, is because of all the half assed people who screwed up everything, from prior to its opening, to its actual opening, and its full operation. By the time they get their act together, T3 might already be 30 years old.

2. T1 is old and needs a major makeover. You can keep the infrastructure, and can do some makeover inside, but its internal conditions needs major pesos, at least to make it look like an old but elegant lady. T2? They are really pushing its capacity. Even with PAL using T2 exclusively, there are already times when some of its jets don't have an available tube to connect to when they arrive.

3. Yes, I also believe we can. I just hope it comes sooner than later, and in my lifetime.

4. The capacity of the existing airport facilities in Pasay has been debated a lot. The runway can still accomodate more flights. They just need to utilize better our terminals.

Kintoy

May 23rd, 2009, 09:24 AM

1. That's also my point. The reason why T3 is stuck the way it is, is because of all the half assed people who screwed up everything, from prior to its opening, to its actual opening, and its full operation. By the time they get their act together, T3 might already be 30 years old.

2. T1 is old and needs a major makeover. You can keep the infrastructure, and can do some makeover inside, but its internal conditions needs major pesos, at least to make it look like an old but elegant lady. T2? They are really pushing its capacity. Even with PAL using T2 exclusively, there are already times when some of its jets don't have an available tube to connect to when they arrive.

3. Yes, I also believe we can. I just hope it comes sooner than later, and in my lifetime.

4. The capacity of the existing airport facilities in Pasay has been debated a lot. The runway can still accomodate more flights. They just need to utilize better our terminals.

The DOTC announced that as soon as Terminal 3 becomes fully operational, Terminal 1 will be rehabilitated into an "Airport City", with the intention of Cebu Pacific Airways to convert Terminal 1 as their exclusive terminal.[12 (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=100262)]

I like the architecture of the Terminal 1 actually (Leandro Locsin, right?), although it's kinda banged up already and it's too crowded,especially in the wellwishers area. It should be rehabilitated

Maxxclip

May 23rd, 2009, 09:37 AM

le Reine

May 23rd, 2009, 11:40 AM

OK. Let's put an end to this debate about the aesthetics of NAIA T3. Anything that deals with subjective and normative topics are always open to endless debates and usually, do not end. Aside from that, it should not be discussed in this thread.

Anyone caught posting the same topic again would automatically be brigged. No ifs, no buts. Thank you.

Dreamtofly

May 23rd, 2009, 11:53 AM

^^^^^^

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

hybridace101

May 23rd, 2009, 02:01 PM

le Reine

May 23rd, 2009, 02:48 PM

I hope they will expand the T2 up to the Village Hotel. It's such a waste rotting in there. Is that possible?

And, whatever happened to that proposal to extend the LRT to NAIA? The LRT depot is very close to NAIA. It doesn't take a genius to know that it would be of great help if the two would be connected.

Sky Harbor

May 23rd, 2009, 04:13 PM

^^ Someone posted on the LRT thread that they were going to extend LRT-1 to NAIA passing through the Baclaran Depot. The South Extension also has an airport station (Manila International Airport station), but will be located outside the airport.

ricoyan

May 23rd, 2009, 07:08 PM

ATTY. KATRINA LEGARDA'S PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, May 6, 2009

We booked on Cebu Pacific as their fares seemed so much cheaper than PAL. It was only when the ticket was printed out that I saw all the hidden costs. Not cool.

There was chaos in NAIA T3. Once that was suffered through, we had to wait (and wait and wait) in hot holding areas, like pigs in pens. Worse, we received only extraordinarily inaccurate information from ground staff about times of departure. The staff assure that the plane will leave on time, only for us already harassed travelers to be told, less than 2 seconds later, that we have to wait another two hours.

I want to know: how difficult is it to know when a plane left a destination and when it is due to arrive in Manila? Do not tell me, two hours later, that the “turn-around flight was delayed.” Even more heinous, you check in a little late, and you are fined. Do you get the fine back if that flight is delayed? Take a good guess.

Anyway, we arrived safe and sound, but because of the delay, could not find a place open to serve dinner. (Unlike PAL, that immediately arranges a little snack when the plane is delayed during breakfast, lunch or dinner times).

mwg12a

May 23rd, 2009, 07:51 PM

Well I'd be damned. Perhaps we should construct a thread specifically for constructive arguments.
By the way, about T3, Im still waitin' for those in charge to replace those CRT screens with LCD screens:lol:
LCD or CRTs are the people's worry, I don't think it will change any of the airliner's service nor it will have the best impact on T3's design, functionality and service. LOL

ATTY. KATRINA LEGARDA'S PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, May 6, 2009

We booked on Cebu Pacific as their fares seemed so much cheaper than PAL. It was only when the ticket was printed out that I saw all the hidden costs. Not cool.

There was chaos in NAIA T3. Once that was suffered through, we had to wait (and wait and wait) in hot holding areas, like pigs in pens. Worse, we received only extraordinarily inaccurate information from ground staff about times of departure. The staff assure that the plane will leave on time, only for us already harassed travelers to be told, less than 2 seconds later, that we have to wait another two hours.

I want to know: how difficult is it to know when a plane left a destination and when it is due to arrive in Manila? Do not tell me, two hours later, that the “turn-around flight was delayed.” Even more heinous, you check in a little late, and you are fined. Do you get the fine back if that flight is delayed? Take a good guess.

Anyway, we arrived safe and sound, but because of the delay, could not find a place open to serve dinner. (Unlike PAL, that immediately arranges a little snack when the plane is delayed during breakfast, lunch or dinner times).

Funny how that Legarda would seek the same service with an LC Cebu Pacific as PAL which is a full service airlines. And her title is ATTY = attourney?? LMAO

Wait, why is this here? It should be in airlines , airliners thread instead.

mwg12a

May 23rd, 2009, 08:18 PM

The DOTC announced that as soon as Terminal 3 becomes fully operational, Terminal 1 will be rehabilitated into an "Airport City", with the intention of Cebu Pacific Airways to convert Terminal 1 as their exclusive terminal.[12 (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=100262)]

I like the architecture of the Terminal 1 actually (Leandro Locsin, right?), although it's kinda banged up already and it's too crowded,especially in the wellwishers area. It should be rehabilitated

What does an Airport city entails? There would be malls, residential units and such? Any wild guess?

It would be nice if CebPac would take over T1 but I hope they would share it with other LCCs or smaller airlines like Zest Airways.

IMO, T1 would be less crowded if as the first measure is to move some of the airline carriers to T3, for instance the already planned transfer of four asian aircarriers like Cathy, Singapore airlines, thai air (?) and korean (?), i'm not sure of the last two but it would help a big deal if 4 or 5 airlines atleast would agree to move to T3.

T1 doesn't really need a real big and elaborate makeover, since a/c and rest rooms were the first complaints of most pinoy travelers, they can start with that. Secondly, changing furnitures such as the chairs in the predeparture area and elsewhere then replacing a more eyecatching carpeting that is pleasing to look at , enhancing the look of the check-in counters,(it doesn't really have to be replaced, just the external finishing, for instance metal sheet/clad covering with granite or even wooden finish countertop, then a better signage), replacing monitors with LCD. Some of the walls can also be covered with metal cladding especially the post on the arrival section. Down, the arrival at the immigration counters, they could add more immigration counters, they can even make the counters look the same (or even better) with terminal 3 with glass cubicles and then just change the tiles there with carpeting since I'm sure it's easy to keep clean since the passengers usually just got out of the aircrafts, they have cleaner shoes and would not easily soil the good carpeting (there are carpetings that are available in squares and is very easy to install and replaced, just like vinyl flooring) All these simple things would add to the aesthetic of the interior that would make the terminal look up to date.

chesterot

May 23rd, 2009, 09:44 PM

^^I couldn't agree more @ mwg12a. T1 just needs a "facelift" inside to make it look more modern. And I don't think the cost would be that substantial in relation to its overall visual impact to travellers. We are a third world country but i really hate to see "third world" infrastructures.:bash: in fairness, there were some improvements done on the interiors of T1 in the last 2 or 3 years...but IMO they're still not enough. i want modern, contemporary look...more glass, aluminum/metal cladding, better lighting (the pre-departure area has a very gloomy ambience for me), more streamlined/linear patterns, glossy floor tiles. etc. :nuts:

hybridace101

May 23rd, 2009, 11:38 PM

What does an Airport city entails? There would be malls, residential units and such? Any wild guess?

It would be nice if CebPac would take over T1 but I hope they would share it with other LCCs or smaller airlines like Zest Airways.

IMO, T1 would be less crowded if as the first measure is to move some of the airline carriers to T3, for instance the already planned transfer of four asian aircarriers like Cathy, Singapore airlines, thai air (?) and korean (?), i'm not sure of the last two but it would help a big deal if 4 or 5 airlines atleast would agree to move to T3.

My guess is an airport city is a whole range of facilities in the airport itself. Having an airside hotel would also make it look great although I'm not sure if its practical since a lot of people here think MNL is not intended to be a transit point.

Once again, there is nothing the operators can do to transfer more airlines to T3 while litigation is going on.

That would be great for the LCCs to move into T1 but the problem is how can the engineers ensure that they can tailour-make part of the terminal for domestic flights? Also, unlike other countries, I would like to see convenient connections between LCCs (i.e. no need to clear formalities and claim luggage except for international-domestic flights).

sloanesquare

May 24th, 2009, 08:48 AM

airport city with cebu pacific means that there will be a Robinson mall attached.

mwg12a

May 24th, 2009, 09:55 AM

My guess is an airport city is a whole range of facilities in the airport itself. Having an airside hotel would also make it look great although I'm not sure if its practical since a lot of people here think MNL is not intended to be a transit point.

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Well, there are filipinos or even foreigners who are all has continuing travel outside Manila, a decent airport with a decent price wouldn't be too bad. I understand that sometimes when a passenger arrive from overseas and needed a transfer to any domestic flights, coming from another international carrier would have to wait or even stay over night in Manila. A Hotel would help especially if it's within the terminal's facilities and if there are travel agencies inside that terminal or hotel as well.

hybridace101

May 24th, 2009, 10:22 AM

airport city with cebu pacific means that there will be a Robinson mall attached.

Which would be great. Gokongwei is a lot beter at running recreation and entertainment than (you know what).

kalbongdad

May 24th, 2009, 10:55 AM

o para maputol na yan.....whatever happened to the two rotundas? meron na bang nangyayari meron na kayang nanalo sa design competition dyan....

jpdm

May 24th, 2009, 12:55 PM

Why not MIAA invite Alfredo Yao of the Zest and Zesto group to work with T1...

I think they are posturing to become an international/regional airline....

Kintoy

May 24th, 2009, 05:51 PM

NAIA officials want to turn terminal 1 into 'airport city'

10/17/2007 (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/64831/NAIA-officials-want-to-turn-terminal-1-into-airport-city) | 07:15 PM

Officials of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport are planning to connect the airport's three terminals and convert terminal 1 into a commercial complex.

This, despite several delays in the opening of NAIA terminal 3, which has been reported to be plagued with structural defects. Terminal 3 has also been the subject of legal tussles between the government and Fraport, the German firm which financed the terminal's construction.

Alfonso Cusi, general manager of NAIA said an initial study conducted by his agency suggests that NAIA terminal 1 be turned into an "airport city," terminal 2 into the airport's domestic terminal, while terminal 3 becomes the international terminal.

Cusi said the plan is aimed at upgrading the country's airport so it will be at par with those of neighboring countries like Japan and South Korea.

The NAIA official said the study also proposes a mono railway system connecting all three terminals.

Funding as well as the possible investors for the new project are still being discussed, Cusi said. - GMANews.TV

jpdm

May 25th, 2009, 01:09 AM

Without the resolution of the Fraport-T3 case, no new developments in T3.

For the meantime, because T1 is heavily-used, time is ripe to atleast renovate it. Its old but it can still be improved to be used in years to come.

Philippine Star

Our 'missing' international terminal

CTALK
By Cito Beltran

Updated May 25, 2009 12:00 AM

If the NAIA Terminal III had been a spare part for a classic car, it would be classified as “N-O-S” and considered valuable. Being “New Old Stock” in car restoration lingo means the part is original as new but has been in the storeroom or in a box for decades.

Unfortunately, for the Philippines we have a continuing confusion about what we have versus what we are suppose to have in terms of an international airport or at the very least an international terminal.

The NAIA Terminal III is certainly New Old Stock and is “valuable” but only because it has cost far too much money to build and will cost the Filipinos even more money after the Arroyo administration has “left the building”.

While the international and local courts still have to resolve legal issues and compensation which is estimated to go into billions, there will also be the engineering renovations and repair. In effect if the Philippines ever get full control of the NAIA Terminal III it will be the current equivalent of the Bataan Nuclear Plant.

On my latest visit to the NAIA, I had presumed that ALL international arrivals and departures were taking place at the Terminal III “except” for Philippine Airlines which has essentially consolidated its hold and flight operations at the “Centennial-terminal II”.

Like many travelers heading out, I even changed my routing to NAIA in order to get to Terminal III directly. As it turns out most of the international flights continue to be staged out of the old and tiny NAIA Terminal I.

Fortunately I was with a driver who already fell victim to all the “Press Release” that we already have a NEW International air terminal. The poor fellow was just one of the many who had to go to terminal III, then terminal II and finally terminal I to finally figure out the untold story.

Sources tell us that when President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo assigned Mike Defensor to get the Terminal III operational, the terms were “Do it one way or the other”. Based on International Airport standards, we are told that Mike Defensor had no choice but to do it “the other…way”.

Given all the legal issues, many of the usual Airport service providers, contractors and clients were reluctant to enter into contracts with a litigant or respondent concerning Terminal III. In short the people who would normally invest to have a business at the Airport saw it as equivalent to setting up shop in Kabul, Afghanistan.

The only solution to the problem was to let the service providers stake their claim like gold miners or cattle ranchers in the old west. Instead of million peso facilities and offices, they put up holes in the wall, booths or shared space.

Instead of full pledged shops, restaurants and service counters, they set up kiosks, umbrellas, portables racks and trays. So yes the “International” Terminal III is open but the big airlines like KLM which we took, all fly out of NAIA I.

jpdm

May 25th, 2009, 01:29 AM

Business Mirror

Editorial: Soaring dream, crashing reality

Monday, 20 April 2009 22:05
Jimbo Albano / BusinessMirror

IT is well that Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) General Manager Alfonso Cusi has given “additional guidance” to the Naia Time Slotting Committee to give priority to review the scheduling of small-aircraft flights at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia), in light of recurring problems of runway congestion that aggravate an already problematic situation for aviation in general.

Cusi recently asked Gen. Ruben Ciron, chief of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP), “to consider the utilization of Naia’s domestic runway, runway 13-31, during daytime for aircraft weighing 25,000 kilograms and below.”

He explained the rationale for the decision: “Aircraft like these are usually owned by operators at our general aviation, therefore, would be most logical to make them use the domestic runway for landing and takeoff. In so doing, we can maximize the use of the international runway for commercial operations.”

The Philippines is the only Asian country that has only one international runway (runway 24) at its premier airport, thus disrupting so many international flights when even just a single incident occurs on that runway.

In the latest incident, Cusi reported that at about 8 p.m. on Sunday, a Westwind-II aircraft with registry number N-911GU aborted takeoff at Naia’s international runway after the pilot noticed smoke emanating from its left wheel. Rescue teams were quickly deployed to the site, but heavy rains delayed their work.

But whether the rains are pouring or not, the fact that there’s only one international runway is a real constraint.

Disruptions to flights owing to this congestion compound the already problematic situation in general, as this paper’s aviation reporter, Recto Mercene, had long been writing about. As a result, air-traffic control has to use a “bag of tricks” in order to ensure the safety of all flights going into and out of Manila, i.e., imposing longer separation times between flights during peak seasons or holidays like Christmas and New Year. Again, the bottom line: Flights are delayed because—rightly so—air-traffic controllers must pick safety over convenience.

But the point is that if the necessary hardware are budgeted for and actually installed, so many of the problems faced by aviation personnel could be reduced. For instance, in Sunday night’s fiasco, it turns out the air ambulance was not an exception: Small aircraft are routinely deployed to runway 24 (the sole international runway) because domestic runway 13-31 cannot be used after sundown. The excuse: It’s “not an instrument runway,” and can only be used for visual flight rules. Sources said efforts to install an instrument system at runway 13-31 ran into technical snags a few years ago, and no one, it seems, has bothered to review the problem.

And, speaking of personnel, it’s been nearly a year since Congress passed the CAAP law, but the latest word is that reforms to boost staffing morale and competence are proceeding slowly. The problem of getting, training and keeping competent airmen is thus something that won’t go away soon.

Taken together, these persistent problems are bound to affect our status as an aviation center—or derail hopes to reverse the dismal Category 2 status imposed by international bodies.

Reacting to Cusi’s move to review the runway slotting system, MIAA Airport Development and Corporate Affairs Assistant General Manager Tirso Serrano was quoted saying: “This move is intended to likewise increase terminal capacities for Naia Terminals 1, 2 and 3. With the recent opening of NAIA Terminal 3, we have increased our potential to 32 million passengers a year.” Between that potential and fruition is a wide chasm that requires, among others: the political will and a clear, unified vision among turf-conscious aviation agencies, and the budget to obtain crucial hardware and pay aviation personnel salaries they deserve. Vamos a ver.
:)

jpdm

May 25th, 2009, 01:30 AM

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/images/stories/Daily_Images/2009/April/04212009/oped-pic.jpg

sloanesquare

May 25th, 2009, 04:57 AM

kiretoce

May 25th, 2009, 05:16 AM

^^ Inter-terminal shuttles are available for passengers of PAL and its codeshare partner airlines.

ianers_ianized

May 25th, 2009, 05:35 AM

^^ If you think about it, KLIA is currently in a position similar to NAIA-3: underutilized and widely referred to as a white elephant. In fact, that reputation may be cemented even more with AirAsia's departure from KLIA to a new airport.

I'd prefer a beautiful, used-to-optimal-capacity airport terminal (NAIA-3) than an underutilized one (KLIA) anyday. But yes, KLIA is beautiful! :okay:

Is this really true... I heard a lot about KLIA being a white elephant there were even priding themselve before opening that it will the new choice for hub for all airlines like to rival SIN and BKK but after that opening of the apt there were few airlines operating at KL... is this all true?

mwg12a

May 25th, 2009, 05:39 AM

is it a fact that there are "internal" shuttles between T1 T2 and T3 so that it is not necessary to get out onto the public roads for transfers?

if so this proposed allocation works.

as for the absence of an extra runway in the previous story, demolish the structures parallel to the runway and make space....marcos should have done this during his dictatorship....no questions asked ..just do it.

If the Old domestic terminal is demolished, that runway passing through between T2 and T3 can be lengthen and widenned, enough to allow wide body aircrafts to fly out of plus the current functioning one. Gigantic terminals in the US such as the MN-St Paul airport has parallel as well as crossing runways are able to get all their aircrafts in and out without a problem. It's about the air traffic control people's management to make it possible. NAIA is actually can be considered a HUGE TERMINAL having all these 3 big terminals functioning all at the same time plus the old Manila Domestic terminal. The only difference is that they are not interconnected with a monorail. There is alot can be done with NAIA if MIAA would hire a real good engineer and architect to make all 3 terminals working real well. Most of the US Airports has seperate terminals but the people can't really feel it separated because they are all interconnected internally via train or concourses. Detroit nas 2 terminals, LA has how many? most of them are named terminals 1 2 and 3 as well (something like that)

kiretoce

May 25th, 2009, 05:40 AM

^^ LAX has 9 terminals, and that includes the Tom Bradley International Terminal (designated as T9).

Is this really true... I heard a lot about KLIA being a white elephant there were even priding themselve before opening that it will the new choice for hub for all airlines like to rival SIN and BKK but after that opening of the apt there were few airlines operating at KL... is this all true?

SIN and BKK are still the top rival air hubs in Southeast Asia. KUL didn't even make a dent in that.

mwg12a

May 25th, 2009, 05:52 AM

^^^^ Man I only knew of seven or eight terminals in LAX, they actually have 9? Dang, that IS HUGE alright...

NicknameForLife

May 25th, 2009, 06:40 AM

If T1 will become an airport city.... ano naman kaya ang itatayo dito??

Kung hotels and restaurants ang itatayo dito

Mababawasan tayo ng airport standards kasi bawal ang mga matataas ng buidings near an airport diba??

mwg12a

May 25th, 2009, 06:44 AM

You misunderstood what they were saying nicknameforlife, they are not going to tear down NAIA T1 and build a new structure, they are still looking into a possibility that Cebu Pacific would operate in that building and plus other extras as to what else is to be added in T1.

NicknameForLife

May 25th, 2009, 07:00 AM

ok... my bad =)

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May 25th, 2009, 10:51 AM

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Dreamtofly

May 25th, 2009, 11:36 AM

Oyyy tellow taxi..... parang US. Bakit kaya hindi nila gayahin ang bangkok iba iba ang kulay ng taxi nila.

boroyski

May 25th, 2009, 12:52 PM

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May proposed na hotel dati dyan sa Green Area. Matutuloy kaya?

Oyyy tellow taxi..... parang US. Bakit kaya hindi nila gayahin ang bangkok iba iba ang kulay ng taxi nila.

For what reason?

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 25th, 2009, 01:24 PM

ngprofflorida

May 25th, 2009, 02:40 PM

kalbongdad

May 25th, 2009, 03:17 PM

bago ba pics? ibig sabihin matagal nang hindi nagagawa ang carousel na tinakpan ng tolda.....ang tagal na nun ha.... :bash:

NightDog

May 25th, 2009, 03:41 PM

bago ba pics? ibig sabihin matagal nang hindi nagagawa ang carousel na tinakpan ng tolda.....ang tagal na nun ha.... :bash:

kailan pa? :lol::lol:

Mithril Cloud

May 25th, 2009, 04:15 PM

The unsightly gigantic tarp of Cebu Pacific on T3's side has now been replaced by yet another unsightly gigantic tarp of Smart.

Sky Harbor

May 25th, 2009, 04:26 PM

^^ That Smart tarp has been up there for the last few months. I saw it there when we picked my mom up at NAIA-1 and we decided to pass by NAIA-3 to prove to her that the terminal was already open.

Mithril Cloud

May 25th, 2009, 04:43 PM

It hasn't been mentioned yet, so there. :lol:

anonymous_filipino

May 25th, 2009, 04:47 PM

Nagamit ko na rin NAIA 3 going to Caticlan.
Pros:
Malaki nga siya, actually for its size kulang pa na andun lahat ng mga current foreign carriers at kung ilipat ng PAL yung international operations nila for it to reach its maximum capacity. And the pre-departure area pictures posted here don't do justice, kasi I didn't felt cramped there. And also the public buses can actually drop off passengers on the departure ramp kasi may nakalaan na unloading area ng mga bus sa departure ramp, separated from the private vehicles.

Cons:
The PA chime sounds like you're a departure store. Tuwing mag-aannounce sila akala ko nasa Landmark Trinoma ako hahaha!! Tapos yung FIDS sa check-in area sobrang liit!! Hindi mo malaman kung ano status ng flight mo kung hindi ka lalapit sa FIDS. Kaya this is my unsolicited advice to MIAA, please install a large LCD FIDS in the check-in area and in the meeting area in the arrival level. Please? And also the seating arrangement really makes it look like a bus terminal, kaya another unsolicited advice is to rearrange the seats to the layout of the seats in Terminal 2's pre-departure area.

All in all, Terminal 3 is all set to go for full operations. It just needs to be upgraded and renovated at some parts. And hopefully MIAA will replace the CRT monitors to LCD monitors, not just in the check-in and pre-departure area, but also the monitors in the baggage claim area. And yes, carousel 4 is still not operational(the one with the blue covering around it).

hybridace101

May 25th, 2009, 11:36 PM

On the upper left side of the pic of the arrival area, what is that long corridor for?

Kintoy

May 26th, 2009, 03:53 AM

Oyyy tellow taxi..... parang US. Bakit kaya hindi nila gayahin ang bangkok iba iba ang kulay ng taxi nila.

kaya yellow ang kulay ng mga taxi ay dahil yung kulay yellow ang pinakamatingkad sa malayo, so kung naghahanap ka ng taxi, malayo pa lang makikita mo na.

mwg12a

May 26th, 2009, 07:13 AM

Oyyy tellow taxi..... parang US. Bakit kaya hindi nila gayahin ang bangkok iba iba ang kulay ng taxi nila.

Pink? ano ka naloloko?? LMAO, pink at blue na nga sa buong metro manila pati taksi pa??he he

mwg12a

May 26th, 2009, 07:46 AM

May proposed na hotel dati dyan sa Green Area. Matutuloy kaya?

ganun ba? hindi ko alam yun. pero i think mas mabuti na i-enhance nalang ang lugar kaysa gawing hotel kasi para makapromote sa "green environment." ;)

I think he was refering to the hotel being built across the street from the terminal. I think that area would be too small to build a hotel just because hotels would also need a bigger parking lots for it's customers.

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May 26th, 2009, 07:53 AM

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http://photos.friendster.com/photos/62/96/5776926/1_726560212l.jpg
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/62/96/5776926/1_320531332l.jpg

Those yellow lines are almost over powering since almost everything around T3 check-in lobby has yellow in it. I wish they would just use blue instead, no matter what airlines is infront of it.

The chairs from above were rearranged, hopefully those in the predeparture lounge should be positioned in the same manner. It will look more like an airport that way.

BTW mainstream, thanks for the pictures, they are nice.

boroyski

May 26th, 2009, 07:54 AM

^^No, I am actually referring to the green area. Proposal dati ng PIATCO. Kaya ang lugar na yan wala man lang magandang design na landscape because of the proposed hotel.

mwg12a

May 26th, 2009, 08:00 AM

I think nobody knows about that boroyski. From my understanding it is the Marriotte across the street was the plan and not in that green area of the airport. First of all, where would they have an access road because of the ramp that leads to the predeparture lounge of T3, and the bottom part would be the arrival driveway.

See the on on the right? no access road? It can't be only for NAIA passenger hotel only, right?
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/62/96/5776926/1_687122129l.jpg

boroyski

May 26th, 2009, 09:00 AM

Marriote hotel and the proposed hotel on that green area are two different buildings. Nobody knows about it because it was discussed during the construction stage bet TAK and PIATCo. If anyone here are working on the designing and construction of NAIA 3, alam din nila yun.

Anyway, you have a very good observation :) . Designers already considred that problem. Nabigyan na ng solusyon yan. Proposal pa lang ng PIATCo yan, hindi kasama sa NAIA 3 project. It is a completely separate project from NAIA 3.

sloanesquare

May 26th, 2009, 10:02 AM

is Marriott planning an airconditioned pedestrian overpass from T3?

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

May 26th, 2009, 10:55 AM

nice pics my friend, do you have a pic infront of the terminal the marriot hotel?

unfortunately wala my friend...hehe...nagmamadali kasi akong pumasok eh pero napansin ko talaga yung marriott kasi ang laki nya.. baka sa susunod na punta ko jan baka in 2 weeks time ulit..hehe..:okay:;)

bago ba pics? ibig sabihin matagal nang hindi nagagawa ang carousel na tinakpan ng tolda.....ang tagal na nun ha.... :bash:

i can say that's 2 weeks ago.

BTW mainstream, thanks for the pictures, they are nice.

thanks bro...;)

absinthe_888

May 26th, 2009, 11:27 AM

is Marriott planning an airconditioned pedestrian overpass from T3?

sosyal:cheers:

kalbongdad

May 26th, 2009, 02:22 PM

sosyal:cheers:

you will never know malay mo may moving ramp pa....:lol:

pthfndr19

May 26th, 2009, 07:39 PM

unfortunately wala my friend...hehe...nagmamadali kasi akong pumasok eh pero napansin ko talaga yung marriott kasi ang laki nya.. baka sa susunod na punta ko jan baka in 2 weeks time ulit..hehe..:okay:;)

i can say that's 2 weeks ago.

thanks bro...;)

I noticed that there's a new Star Cruises building beside the Marriot hotel construction area.

mwg12a

May 27th, 2009, 01:17 AM

ricoyan

May 27th, 2009, 10:08 AM

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/62/96/5776926/1_320531332l.jpg

Distance between the seats should be increased to prevent the departure lounge feeling like a bus depot. Quality of the Seats should likewise be improved. They are thin in cushioning.

kiretoce

May 27th, 2009, 10:12 AM

^^ But when you think about it, they are, in essence the same. The only difference is the use of "airbuses" at airports. :lol:

Corny pills! Sorry for the lame pun. :bash:

ianers_ianized

May 27th, 2009, 01:44 PM

^^ I get the point... budget seats for budget carriers.

I noticed that there's a new Star Cruises building beside the Marriot hotel construction area.

The area is Newport City with 3 hotels being built in the row... Marriot Hotel, Maxims Hotel atthe back of Star Cruises and another one.

Nagamit ko na rin NAIA 3 going to Caticlan.
Pros:
Malaki nga siya, actually for its size kulang pa na andun lahat ng mga current foreign carriers at kung ilipat ng PAL yung international operations nila for it to reach its maximum capacity. And the pre-departure area pictures posted here don't do justice, kasi I didn't felt cramped there. And also the public buses can actually drop off passengers on the departure ramp kasi may nakalaan na unloading area ng mga bus sa departure ramp, separated from the private vehicles.

Cons:
The PA chime sounds like you're a departure store. Tuwing mag-aannounce sila akala ko nasa Landmark Trinoma ako hahaha!! Tapos yung FIDS sa check-in area sobrang liit!! Hindi mo malaman kung ano status ng flight mo kung hindi ka lalapit sa FIDS. Kaya this is my unsolicited advice to MIAA, please install a large LCD FIDS in the check-in area and in the meeting area in the arrival level. Please? And also the seating arrangement really makes it look like a bus terminal, kaya another unsolicited advice is to rearrange the seats to the layout of the seats in Terminal 2's pre-departure area.

All in all, Terminal 3 is all set to go for full operations. It just needs to be upgraded and renovated at some parts. And hopefully MIAA will replace the CRT monitors to LCD monitors, not just in the check-in and pre-departure area, but also the monitors in the baggage claim area. And yes, carousel 4 is still not operational(the one with the blue covering around it).

You know I realize, all of the foreign airlines including PR and 5J can occupy the whole T3 with all its capacity. I analyze since there are 5 stations from A-E in the check-in counters all airlines can accomodate T3 for example..
A and B for PAL and PX (PR is the same ground handling of PX)
C for 5J, and DNATA (QR, EK, HA) and Swissport (CS, OZ & 3K)
D for Globe Ground (CX, NX, UO, CZ, GF, EY, BI, KL, BR, KA) and MIASCOR (KU, MH, SV & QF)
E for MacroAsia (TG, CI, JL, KE & SQ) and NW ITI
Flights are not all departing at the same time so I think all airlines can be accomodated base on theckin counters available.

I also notice the need for Flt Info Monitor to be upgraded first. CRT monitors are small to view for all pax, an LCD esp. a larger one to display is needed in T3. Everyone will benefit from it.

Sky Harbor

May 28th, 2009, 10:31 AM

Distance between the seats should be increased to prevent the departure lounge feeling like a bus depot. Quality of the Seats should likewise be improved. They are thin in cushioning.

If the seating arrangement is the bigger problem, they can arrange it in a way similar to Kota Kinabalu International Airport's Terminal 1. Quoting from the international thread:

by greensake

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3343/3569981470_c35c0be42d_b.jpg

mucho

May 28th, 2009, 11:18 AM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2426/3572980532_e8915b8bcc.jpg

this looks more of an airport with this kind of sitting arrangement.

hybridace101

May 28th, 2009, 01:57 PM

It's about time they use LCD monitors. Look at shopping centres where CRT monitors are a rarity except for electronics stores where the CRT TVs are for sale. I don't know what's stopping them considering the cost of an LCD screen has gone down since it was introduced. Although I still have a feeling that plenty of US airports still use CRT monitors.

mwg12a

May 28th, 2009, 08:09 PM

mwg12a

May 28th, 2009, 08:15 PM

Distance between the seats should be increased to prevent the departure lounge feeling like a bus depot. Quality of the Seats should likewise be improved. They are thin in cushioning.

Distance isn't really that bad, but then again we are just looking at pics so what do we know? You don't expect people to be sitting here for a long period of time do ya? What's the need for thick cushioning? They are not planning to lounge there all day long and watch dvd movies..LOL Look at the pics posted above, the seat cushions all have the same thickness even the one in Malaysia has the exact the same type of chairs.

hybridace101

May 28th, 2009, 10:18 PM

Probably because of the case still pending in Singapore court. Ilo-Ilo Airport and BSA which were openned recently have LCDs. Or you mean in T1?

Across all MNL terminals actually.

diz

May 29th, 2009, 12:50 AM

I think they should arrange the seats in T3 like they do in T2.

mwg12a

May 29th, 2009, 08:28 AM

Across all MNL terminals actually.

I can't remember if T2 has mostly LCDs, or it maybe just a few LCDs here and there.

I think they should arrange the seats in T3 like they do in T2.

This one I do agree. I think it would help also in making the area looks less crampy especially in pictures, but yeah, who cares about what it will look in pictures? The most important thing is the actuality. Just like in Spike TV," it's actuality, not just reality" LOL kidding:lol::lol:

mwg12a

May 29th, 2009, 08:31 AM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2426/3572980532_e8915b8bcc.jpg

this looks more of an airport with this kind of sitting arrangement.

I dunno, this looks more like Union Station in NYC LMAO , but, I'm sure it's just in this particular picture because I've seen other pics from this same airport, it doesn't like like a train station or something...

ricoyan

May 29th, 2009, 08:33 AM

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/shyaman_king/HOLIDAY%202009%20-%20FEB%2013/DSC_0406a.jpg
Creative seating arrangement in combination with good interior and lighting at CHANGI gives the traveller a sense of space and comfort.

mwg12a

May 29th, 2009, 08:58 AM

^^^^ That would be perfect for NAIA T1 the management there can follow these same concept and arrangement if they do plan on giving T1 a facelift.

boroyski

May 29th, 2009, 01:06 PM

Mithril Cloud

May 29th, 2009, 04:51 PM

If I remember right, a portion of Terminal 1 uses a similar arrangement.

PasigGuy

May 29th, 2009, 05:44 PM

meron ba secured overnight parking sa NAIA T3?

hybridace101

May 29th, 2009, 06:41 PM

Yeah, I know both ends of T1 do. Even the satellite T1 of NRT does.

OtAkAw

May 29th, 2009, 07:08 PM

Changi looks awesome! Parang destination within itself na.

boroyski

May 30th, 2009, 03:46 AM

If I remember right, a portion of Terminal 1 uses a similar arrangement.

oo, tama nagamit ko na rin yun! 2 boarding gates and bus gate. meron syang kiosk sa gitna yun yun d ba?

Fly2Bacolod

May 30th, 2009, 03:48 AM

hybridace101

May 30th, 2009, 03:52 AM

^^^

If not, then DMIA should step-up.

ruralvillage

May 30th, 2009, 03:53 AM

1-B flyover to decongest roads to NAIA and domestic airport terminals (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Main_News_1/1-B_flyover_to_decongest_roads_to_NAIA_and_domestic_airport_terminals.shtml)
PNM (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Main_News_1/1-B_flyover_to_decongest_roads_to_NAIA_and_domestic_airport_terminals.shtml)

MANILA, May 30 (PNA) -- The traffic jams on roads to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) and the domestic airport terminals will be a thing of the past when President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo inaugurates this morning (Saturday, May 30) the 1.5- to 2-kilometer viaduct and other road systems in Pasay City.

In inaugurating the 1-B flyover, the President will drive through and hold a brief program in the site before entering the NAIA Terminal 2 to board her Philippine Airlines flight to Korea and Russia at 11 a.m. for official trips to these two countries.

The NAIA Expressway Flyover connects the existing Metro Manila Skyway and South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) with the NAIA Passenger Terminals via elevated roadway or viaducts.

The President will arrive at the NAIA Flyover Ramp 4 (Phase 1 Package 2 section) via Skyway.

She will be received by Public Works and Highways Secretary Hermogenes Ebdane, Metro Manila Development Authority Chairman Bayani Fernando, Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro Mendoza, NAIA General Manager Alfonso Cusi and Mayors Wenceslao Trinidad of Pasay City and Sigfrido Tinga of Taguig City.

The flyover is expected to cut down travel time to the NAIA from Alabang, Makati and towns/cities north or south of Metro Manila and will greatly benefit frequent travelers, overseas Filipino workers, businessmen and even local and foreign tourists using both international and domestic airports.

hybridace101

May 30th, 2009, 03:56 AM

^^
It would be great if the overpass will go all the way to the entrance of each terminal.

kiretoce

May 30th, 2009, 06:33 AM

Arroyo inaugurates NAIA expressway flyover (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/163499/Arroyo-inaugurates-NAIA-expressway-before-leaving-for-Korea)

Before leaving for Korea, President Arroyo inaugurated Saturday morning a new expressway linking roads leading to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) and domestic airport.

Government-run dzRB radio reported the P1-billion expressway, running 1.5 to 2 kilometers, will mainly benefit those coming from Pasay, Taguig and Makati Cities.

The NAIA Expressway Flyover connects the existing Metro Manila Skyway and South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) with the NAIA Passenger Terminals via elevated roadway or viaducts.

It is expected to down travel time to the NAIA from Alabang, Makati and towns/cities north or south of Metro Manila and will greatly benefit frequent travelers, overseas Filipino workers, businessmen and even local and foreign tourists using both international and domestic airports.

Class 1 (four-wheeled) vehicles will pay P85, while Class 2 vehicles (vans and pickups) will pay P170.

NicknameForLife

May 30th, 2009, 06:55 AM

^^
It would be great if the overpass will go all the way to the entrance of each terminal.

oo nga no.... hehe.... para wala na hassle...

mucho

May 30th, 2009, 10:54 AM

Pinagsama-sama ung mga seats sa magkakaibang boarding gates. WOW galing!

kung di ako nagkakamali, ito yung boarding gates para sa A380.

kalbongdad

May 30th, 2009, 03:36 PM

hybridace101

May 30th, 2009, 04:29 PM

...but P85 is too much unless it actually takes us to the entrance of each terminal. Where does the overpass terminate?

Mithril Cloud

May 30th, 2009, 04:37 PM

It's 85 because it's the Skyway flat rate. It only terminates before the first rotunda heading to T3.

anonymous_filipino

May 30th, 2009, 04:43 PM

hybridace101

May 30th, 2009, 05:00 PM

Tell that to MIAA, they will use this excuse: "we don't have the budget for that, sorry."

What do you think if MNL was 100% privately/commercially owned? How better do you think the airport will be? Has there been a major airport with such an ownership structure? They may charge us more in airport usage fees but we can expect them to give us our money's worth.

It's 85 because it's the Skyway flat rate. It only terminates before the first rotunda heading to T3.

Do you have to get on the Skyway system to experience a convenience that lasts for only 1/3 of a mile? I usually pass by the Fort/C5 to get to MNL and it almost always works. The best part, no charge! :D

Mithril Cloud

May 30th, 2009, 05:14 PM

It would be a bit convenient for those coming from the South at least.

anonymous_filipino

May 30th, 2009, 05:26 PM

What do you think if MNL was 100% privately/commercially owned? How better do you think the airport will be? Has there been a major airport with such an ownership structure? They may charge us more in airport usage fees but we can expect them to give us our money's worth.
It still depends kung ok ang private operator. Our neighbors have their airports run by government owned corporations, but the airports are state-of-the-art in all aspects. NAIA's problem is not with MIAA, it is with the persons running MIAA itself.

hybridace101

May 30th, 2009, 05:28 PM

^^

You may have a point. Private/commercial ownership will probably do no good unless the airport-operating industry is open to many players. In this case, each firm will be on the edge and forced to compete for patrons to their facility. A monopoly is bad as it does not give an incentive for the lone firm to improve the quality of its services since nobody will threaten to get its customers.

dexter06

May 30th, 2009, 06:24 PM

Pardon if i may be out of the loop but is this the elevated road leading to NAIA T3? So if i used this road going to NAIA T1 and T2, i have to go around passing through the domestic road?

Deus Ex

May 30th, 2009, 06:30 PM

...but P85 is too much unless it actually takes us to the entrance of each terminal. Where does the overpass terminate?

Damn. I agree with you. IF the so called overpass would taking me to the entrance, hell I would pay 100 fkin' pesos. Well, reality is reality and if it's 85 pesos, then gotta pay the fkin' 85 pesos.:lol:

Sky Harbor

May 30th, 2009, 06:49 PM

Whoa everyone! The P85 is collected in the middle of the Skyway, not at the exit. If you're going northward, you pay the toll and get the ticket from the toll booth. You then surrender the ticket at the booth, but pay nothing. This is the current arrangement with respect to Bicutan station, so the same arrangement may apply to the NAIA-3 interchange.

On the other hand, if you're going southbound, that's a different story altogether.

pi_malejana

May 31st, 2009, 01:03 AM

hybridace101

May 31st, 2009, 01:27 AM

Pardon if i may be out of the loop but is this the elevated road leading to NAIA T3? So if i used this road going to NAIA T1 and T2, i have to go around passing through the domestic road?

Exactly my point. Don't forget that you will still have to go through the point where traffic from Roxas Boulevard and EDSA will converage with you. That's where the real airport-bound traffic is bound to happen.

dexter06

May 31st, 2009, 03:53 AM

Exactly my point. Don't forget that you will still have to go through the point where traffic from Roxas Boulevard and EDSA will converage with you. That's where the real airport-bound traffic is bound to happen.

Thanks a lot hybridace. Just by reading the news report, one gets the notion that it benefits the traveler flying through all 3 terminals. The news item should have specified that it directly benefits Terminal 3 and indirectly, the other 2 terminals. I say indirectly, because, for those coming from Makati and EDSA traveling through terminals 1 and 2, they have the option not to pass through Tramo. But still. . .

hybridace101

May 31st, 2009, 04:07 AM

^^

T3 where only a few carriers operate and where we can't expect more until all the litigation is sorted out.

kalbongdad

May 31st, 2009, 07:08 AM

hybridace101

May 31st, 2009, 08:11 AM

^^

The key word is T3. As if there are plenty of 5J and 2P travellers than those using other carriers.

Rodel

May 31st, 2009, 12:29 PM

here's the photo of the inauguration taken from GMA's (the news channel:D) website...

http://www9.gmanews.tv/images/topstories/gloria-arroyo-30-may-09.jpg

overloading yan ah, baka mahuli sila ni BF...:D

sino yung mga kasama ni GMA? who's on the left side? yun bang nasa right is leandro mendoza, dotc sec?

absinthe_888

May 31st, 2009, 12:33 PM

sino yung mga kasama ni GMA? who's on the left side? yun bang nasa right is leandro mendoza, dotc sec?

The guy on GMAs left is Pasay City Rep. Antonio Roxas. The guy on the right side on the other hand is DPWH Sec. Hemogenes Ebdane.

jpdm

May 31st, 2009, 12:35 PM

sino yung mga kasama ni GMA? who's on the left side? yun bang nasa right is leandro mendoza, dotc sec?

Yung nasa likod, parang si Zialcita--kaibigan at consultant Celso De Los Angeles of Legacy Group. Under investigation yan kasi kumikita ng 100,000 pesos sa Legacy dati yan.

absinthe_888

May 31st, 2009, 12:56 PM

PGMA opening the NAIA Skyway Interchange

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Rodel

May 31st, 2009, 01:01 PM

The guy on GMAs left is Pasay City Rep. Antonio Roxas. The guy on the right side on the other hand is DPWH Sec. Hemogenes Ebdane.

oh yeah...si ebdane nga pala yun and not mendoza...he he he.
anyway thanks.

absinthe_888

May 31st, 2009, 01:21 PM

oh yeah...si ebdane nga pala yun and not mendoza...he he he.
anyway thanks.

andun din sa mendoza, hindi na ata nakasakay sa pick up, overloaded na kz ng mga taong gusto makasama si Madam Gloria:lol:

kalbongdad

May 31st, 2009, 02:05 PM

well sa wakas....makakadaan na rin ako dyan...whenever i go to the airport....

hybridace101

May 31st, 2009, 03:03 PM

^^

As long as you think P85 is reasonable.

planeportaddict

June 1st, 2009, 11:48 AM

hi guys!

i finally decided to join the forums after following this tread since its 12th edition (the opening of the airport was at the 13th right? :) ) anyway, just like you guys, i have this massive interest in aiports and airplanes :)

learning a lot from you guys and it really intensified my interest in airplanes and airports since i started reading this forum :)

kiretoce

June 1st, 2009, 12:41 PM

^^ Welcome to the forums! :hi:

Yeah, NAIA T3 did open during the 13th edition of this thread series. :colgate:

redisol

June 1st, 2009, 03:20 PM

If you're from Makati or Manila going pwede bang gamiting ang skyway going to T3? How much ang toll?

Sky Harbor

June 1st, 2009, 03:24 PM

^^ You can use the Skyway southbound to go to NAIA-3. The toll is rumored to be P85, though we can never be too sure.

kalbongdad

June 1st, 2009, 03:25 PM

If you're from Makati or Manila going pwede bang gamiting ang skyway going to T3? How much ang toll?

hindi...mo kailangan ang skyway...para mapunta sa t3....if you are from manila...pwede along roxas blvd...if you are from makati...yung slex...labas ka ng nichols....yun na...minutes lang nandun ka na...

NightDog

June 1st, 2009, 05:58 PM

hindi...mo kailangan ang skyway...para mapunta sa t3....if you are from manila...pwede along roxas blvd...if you are from makati...yung slex...labas ka ng nichols....yun na...minutes lang nandun ka na...

naks!!!! parang totoo mag explain a... hahahaha

ricoyan

June 1st, 2009, 10:01 PM

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7883499.jpg
Another creative arrangement of Seating, Flooring and Lighting we can learn from.....the airport of tiny Macau (population: 600,000)

jpdm

June 2nd, 2009, 12:54 AM

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7883499.jpg
Another creative arrangement of Seating, Flooring and Lighting we can learn from.....the airport of tiny Macau (population: 600,000)

...but a SAR of giant China...

The airport's interior looks bland to me...although this just my opinion...

diz

June 2nd, 2009, 02:28 AM

if you think that's bland, i'm curious of what you think of MNL's..

jpdm

June 2nd, 2009, 02:44 AM

if you think that's bland, i'm curious of what you think of MNL's..

Maganda ang MNL para sa AKIN.

tabz

June 2nd, 2009, 05:51 AM

akala ko ung picture na un sa manila.. hehe

absinthe_888

June 2nd, 2009, 12:03 PM

mwg12a

June 2nd, 2009, 03:32 PM

[imgAnother creative arrangement of Seating, Flooring and Lighting we can learn from.....the airport of tiny Macau (population: 600,000)

if you think that's bland, i'm curious of what you think of MNL's..

I don't know about you two guys. What can you possibly do to change everything? The terminal has already been built, T3 is not 100% completed yet. T1 is slated to have a little bit of a facelift. If you believe that the Philippines has tons of money, think again... Otherwise, you two including myself wouldn't end up living in another country JUST TO GET A BETTER LIFE, if you claim to be one of those well to do filipinos who still migrated to the United States because you wanted to feel the american dream, then, we aren't really helping the Philippines that much. I really don't understand and can't even get what's the use for whinning about all these. What ever the Philippines has become and whatever impressions foreigners has towards the Philippines and it's government, you still share the same faith because, you can't deny your background.

Let's just leave it at that, that is what that country, the Philippines can afford, whether it is "puede na", whether it the design is substandard together with the quality of it's construction, it is hard to change that now, you are dragged into it whether you like it or not. What we need to think about is what we can do to help? Not what we can do to drag everybody down. Infrastructure wise, we maybe lacking, but if we try and help our people to be honest, courteous, polite and very accomodating, all these little things would make a big difference when if comes to impression, but when we ourselves are putting ourselves down, especially when this forum can be read by non-filipinos, we are not just pulling a few filipinos down, we are also pulling everybody down including ourselves. Who else would respect us if WE OURSELVES doesn't have respect on ourselves? Think about it. Are you really making a very good impression with all these rhetorics and such?

Perhaps, this are the things our country is lacking, something thailand is enjoying when it comes to tourism. Westerners are infatuated with their ways and culture. We may think that we are well liked by the americans but ask ourselves? Why do they rather go to thailand , Japan, or Korea more than the Philippines?

-SNPKLSDMBLDR-

June 2nd, 2009, 04:54 PM

This airport terminal really needs a MAJOR facelift ;)

FlashCollider

June 2nd, 2009, 09:16 PM

I don't know about you two guys. What can you possibly do to change everything? The terminal has already been built, T3 is not 100% completed yet. T1 is slated to have a little bit of a facelift. If you believe that the Philippines has tons of money, think again... Otherwise, you two including myself wouldn't end up living in another country JUST TO GET A BETTER LIFE, if you claim to be one of those well to do filipinos who still migrated to the United States because you wanted to feel the american dream, then, we aren't really helping the Philippines that much. I really don't understand and can't even get what's the use for whinning about all these. What ever the Philippines has become and whatever impressions foreigners has towards the Philippines and it's government, you still share the same faith because, you can't deny your background.

Let's just leave it at that, that is what that country, the Philippines can afford, whether it is "puede na", whether it the design is substandard together with the quality of it's construction, it is hard to change that now, you are dragged into it whether you like it or not. What we need to think about is what we can do to help? Not what we can do to drag everybody down. Infrastructure wise, we maybe lacking, but if we try and help our people to be honest, courteous, polite and very accomodating, all these little things would make a big difference when if comes to impression, but when we ourself are putting ourselves down, especially when this forum can be read by non-filipinos, we are not just pulling the filipinos down, we are also pulling everybody down including ourselves. Who else would respect us if WE OURSELVES doesn't have respect on ourselves? Think about it. Are you really making a very good impression with all these rhetorics and such?

Perhaps, this are the things our country is lacking, something thailand is enjoying when it comes to tourism. Westerners are infatuated with their ways and culture. We may think that we are well liked by the americans but ask ourselves? Why do they rather go to thailand , Japan, or Korea more than the Philippines?

Agree. hehehehe Sometimes the worst critique comes from us. Sadly we are so much into comparing our situation with other nation that we look a lot like a sulking loser than someone trying to fix our so called misfortune.

manila_eye

June 2nd, 2009, 11:12 PM

we gotta have some standards as our basis. basing just to our own standards will put us nowhere.

boroyski

June 3rd, 2009, 06:24 AM

I don't know about you two guys. What can you possibly do to change everything? The terminal has already been built, T3 is not 100% completed yet. T1 is slated to have a little bit of a facelift. If you believe that the Philippines has tons of money, think again... Otherwise, you two including myself wouldn't end up living in another country JUST TO GET A BETTER LIFE, if you claim to be one of those well to do filipinos who still migrated to the United States because you wanted to feel the american dream, then, we aren't really helping the Philippines that much. I really don't understand and can't even get what's the use for whinning about all these. What ever the Philippines has become and whatever impressions foreigners has towards the Philippines and it's government, you still share the same faith because, you can't deny your background.

Sabi ko na noon,ang mga taong ito pang-row house lang ang budget eh ang gusto ipagawa mansion.

Let's just leave it at that, that is what that country, the Philippines can afford, whether it is "puede na", whether it the design is substandard together with the quality of it's construction, it is hard to change that now, you are dragged into it whether you like it or not. What we need to think about is what we can do to help? Not what we can do to drag everybody down. Infrastructure wise, we maybe lacking, but if we try and help our people to be honest, courteous, polite and very accomodating, all these little things would make a big difference when if comes to impression, but when we ourself are putting ourselves down, especially when this forum can be read by non-filipinos, we are not just pulling the filipinos down, we are also pulling everybody down including ourselves. Who else would respect us if WE OURSELVES doesn't have respect on ourselves? Think about it. Are you really making a very good impression with all these rhetorics and such??

You hit it right man!

Perhaps, this are the things our country is lacking, something thailand is enjoying when it comes to tourism. Westerners are infatuated with their ways and culture. We may think that we are well liked by the americans but ask ourselves? Why do they rather go to thailand , Japan, or Korea more than the Philippines?

Sad but true!:ohno:

mwg12a

June 3rd, 2009, 06:52 AM

we gotta have some standards as our basis. basing just to our own standards will put us nowhere.

We definitely do need to have some standard but we also have to be realistic at the same time. A standard can be exhibited in various ways and all of them have an impact on somebody else. So, basically because this and that person has this, or other countries have these and that, while we desire to be as close to what they have we should not let our guards down and be impractical. Surely, there are many ways our airport terminal can still look inviting in it's own unique way. I am sure I myself would want a pleasant surrounding when in an airport but comparing what we see in pictures should consume us where we are starting to think "what others have is better" , envy and jealousy wouldn't get us filipinos places. It's why we are what we are now, we always look at what others have and copy it as much as possible, and try to surpass it. It does not only reflect it in how we chose our material aspects but our way of life.

We see other filipinos traveling overseas, especially the US, sure enough alot of us leave the country because of lack of available decent paying jobs in the Philippines, but, there are also many occassions where there are many filipinos who are already making it good in the Philippines yet, they are consumed with envy and jealousy of what other filipinos has overseas so they are even willing to leave their good lives in the Philippines only to start in the US because of envy and impracticality. This may be a bit off topic now but somehow it relates as how what we think and feel that reflects our opinion in little things like the airport and such.

Mithril Cloud

June 3rd, 2009, 07:13 AM

This issue is turning into an eternal loop.

absinthe_888

June 3rd, 2009, 07:20 AM

^^ exactly...

mwg12a

June 3rd, 2009, 08:36 AM

This issue is turning into an eternal loop.

yeah really, it's pretty much ringing up on everybody's ear especially when someone keeps comparing and telling how ugly the NAIA airport is.. I think everybody knew it already but heck, do we have to repeat over and over again how ugly it is? That in the US where they are from is the best to them? LOL

bitoy

June 3rd, 2009, 09:12 AM

Basta ako kuntento na sa ganito, may mahigaan, may kubeta at may kainan.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9804/airportdec22nd007.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5854/airportdec22nd011.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/548/airportdec22nd012.jpg

That's PDX during those couple of days of snowstorms that stranded lots of flights.

Even in Kansai, nakasalampak din kami sa sahig when an earlier flight of NW was delayed and our flight was next on the same gate.

It's true that some people sees the airport as the welcoming sign of the status of a nation. And NAIA 1 is doing great in presenting to the visitors the state of our nation. :lol:

kiretoce

June 3rd, 2009, 09:34 AM

^^ I've experienced that when I was grounded on a layover in DEN coming from SFO because of a snowstorm. Good thing that the storm cleared the next day and I was rebooked on the first flight out headed for MCO (upgraded to first class no less with no extra charge, this was during the "glory days of flying," before all these cuts in costs by the airlines).

mwg12a

June 3rd, 2009, 09:44 AM

Same here, from Orlando, stranded in Cincy with Delta Airlines during their computer glitche fiasco, pilot strike and then the blissard like weather condition. What a usual 7 to8 hour travel including layover ended up to 30 hrs trip, we did get a hotel accomodation but the following day it was still a complete mess, we ended up with American Airlines and had lay over in two more other state and cities. It's like Orlando, Cincy , then detroit only to end up with AA down to St louis, before reaching the good ol Springpatch where we live in. Worst part is we came and gone, our luggages never made it in until 5 days later after we returned from our Orlando christmas vacation, had we not have our credit cards and debit card, damn our underwear would probably have been real crisp already. LOL

psionic

June 3rd, 2009, 12:32 PM

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Dreamtofly

June 3rd, 2009, 12:53 PM

i checked the website of the jetairways and they have local office in the Philippines. I heard a that they will fly to manila in mid of this year.

kalbongdad

June 3rd, 2009, 01:57 PM

that is the fun in flying those little kinks....for me it happened in andover, massachusetts......hirap pa lalo dahil snooty ang mga linshak....na kano...na nasa information nila...

sonnyville

June 3rd, 2009, 05:43 PM

interesting, jet airways to fly the RP. they are quite ...hmm... ayos sila. haha.

Arciga_01

June 3rd, 2009, 05:59 PM

Sumundo kami kagabi sa Terminal 3 and here's what i think about it:

Landscaping of T-3 is seriously lacking in greeneries and below the Departure Area flyover...The place is seriously bland..

And in some areas in the arrival section, may marka na un kesame nya at un ibang tiles ay basag na ng kaunti at un iba may crack na. Kaso, i like the winter cold aircon in T-3 :lol:

Overall though, it's a massive improvement compared to our old airports at malaki parin ang potential na maging grand ang Terminal 3. Also, I like the architecture of Terminal 3 since it's simple and not over the top. Tamang tama sa pilipinas.

Sana maging fully operational na ang Terminal 3 since nakakaiyak makita ang kalahati ng T3 ay hinde operational.

mwg12a

June 3rd, 2009, 06:18 PM

mambo

June 3rd, 2009, 06:35 PM

interesting, jet airways to fly the RP. they are quite ...hmm... ayos sila. haha.

maganda ang serbis nila according to my indian friends

ricoyan

June 3rd, 2009, 07:14 PM

Landscaping of T-3 is seriously lacking in greeneries and below the Departure Area flyover...The place is seriously Bland.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa257/myrestlessfeet/baguio%20april%202009/DSCF2003.jpg
True, it does look seriously Bland.....and Unfinished. The bare concrete posts need to be clad to give it a Cleaner, more HIGH QUALITY feel. Plus, those cheap ugly Vinyl posters should be removed.

And better Landscaping would help too. That lonely shrub needs some friends. (Hey MIAA, plants are dirt-cheap, don't get too Kuripot on us! We're paying serious money here.)

sonnyville

June 4th, 2009, 12:11 AM

maganda ang serbis nila according to my indian friends

na subok ko na sila, ayos ang mga 777's nila. quite spacious. i honestly think they are singapore airlines' rivals in terms of level of service and product. i actually flew one that was operated by turkish airlines, naka lease yung aircraft nila sa turkish airlines, and yung smga staff nung jet airways and turkish airlines were cross training at the time. very friendly sila. wish i could've tried their F or J class onboard, they have very nice and comfortable F suite-style seats. nasuerte yung isang kasama ko kasi disabled, na experience yung F class service nila. wish PAL's new 777's are similar.

mwg12a

June 4th, 2009, 03:14 AM

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And better Landscaping would help too. That lonely shrub needs some friends. (Hey MIAA, plants are dirt-cheap, don't get too Kuripot on us! We're paying serious money here.)

Hindi pa nga nababayaran ng Philippine Government ang mga contractors at kabubukas pa lang ng T3 anong "we're paying serious money here" ba ang sinasabi mo... Toink!! Ay bopol!!! LMAO:lol::banana::lol:

jpdm

June 4th, 2009, 04:15 AM

Hindi pa nga nababayaran ng Philippine Government ang mga contractors at kabubukas pa lang ng T3 anong "we're paying serious money here" ba ang sinasabi mo... Toink!! ::lol:

Correct!

kiretoce

June 4th, 2009, 04:39 AM

What country is Jet Airways from?

:shocked: I'm in shock! You don't know your own country's airlines? :lol: :jk: :nocrook:

They're from "The Land of Dotted Foreheads" (aka, India). :colgate:

AmbutLang

June 4th, 2009, 05:43 AM

^^ and 3 meters in length turban. :) I asked my co-worker before.

RonnieR

June 4th, 2009, 06:33 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3524457985_508ff57a05_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amielkirbybalagtas/

mwg12a

June 4th, 2009, 08:23 AM

:shocked: I'm in shock! You don't know your own country's airlines? :lol: :jk: :nocrook:

They're from "The Land of Dotted Foreheads" (aka, India). :colgate:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Didn't know we are high tech already, i'm used in just a flying carpet LMAO

bitoy

June 4th, 2009, 09:15 AM

^^ I'll take a magic carpet ride anytime, wala pang nag-crashed sa mga ito. :lol:

(no pun intended with the recent air disaster)

mucho

June 4th, 2009, 09:26 AM

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa257/myrestlessfeet/baguio%20april%202009/DSCF2003.jpg
True, it does look seriously Bland.....and Unfinished. The bare concrete posts need to be clad to give it a Cleaner, more HIGH QUALITY feel. Plus, those cheap ugly Vinyl posters should be removed.

And better Landscaping would help too. That lonely shrub needs some friends. (Hey MIAA, plants are dirt-cheap, don't get too Kuripot on us! We're paying serious money here.)

walang magawa ang Phil gov't kasi di pa tapos ang kaso v. piatco.... :ohno:

boroyski

June 4th, 2009, 09:58 AM

walang magawa ang Phil gov't kasi di pa tapos ang kaso v. piatco.... :ohno:

Bro, hanggang ngayon hindi pa rin nya maabot yan...hayaan nyo na lang sya. :lol:

mwg12a

June 4th, 2009, 10:02 AM

^^ I'll take a magic carpet ride anytime, wala pang nag-crashed sa mga ito. :lol:

(no pun intended with the recent air disaster)

Too bad you're not Jasmine, else??? we goin ridin on a free sky yeah yeah baby if you know what i mean yeah baby!!! Kumanta pa!! he he

Basta MAGANDA ANG NAIA LIBRE YATA YON, hindi na kailangan pang bayaran na ang Piatco and frapport na yan!! (he he, para hindi lang OT:nuts:) Tignan ninyo na lang ang fechure na posts ni manong kuya RonnieR. he he

walrus357

June 4th, 2009, 02:20 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3417/3524457985_508ff57a05_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amielkirbybalagtas/

wow!!..nice shot!!...makati cbd, ortigas cbd and bgc in one pix. the skyline in the background is steadily getting dense with highrises..:)

kalbongdad

June 4th, 2009, 03:14 PM

newport city is turning out to be a revelation....mukhang maganda na siya

kiretoce

June 5th, 2009, 02:47 AM

Why don't we all just discuss the skyline in the backgroud. We all seem to agree on it more than NAIA itself. :lol:

boroyski

June 5th, 2009, 04:16 AM

^^Indeed. This thread's title should then be replaced also! :lol::lol:

kalbongdad

June 5th, 2009, 05:32 AM

pwede....:lol:

tigidig14

June 5th, 2009, 06:11 AM

wow!!..nice shot!!...makati cbd, ortigas cbd and bgc in one pix. the skyline in the background is steadily getting dense with highrises..:)

made it as my desktop :D

walrus357

June 5th, 2009, 09:51 AM

^^ nice idea...masubukan nga..:)

Why don't we all just discuss the skyline in the backgroud. We all seem to agree on it more than NAIA itself. :lol:

then comes a poster with ton of pix of other countries skyline with endless litany of how come that the skyline of this and that are much nicer and so on and so forth...:lol::lol:

shytype

June 5th, 2009, 03:30 PM

DUE TO POOR VISIBILITY AT NAIA
10 planes diverted to Clark

By Tonette Orejas
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 19:09:00 06/05/2009

Filed Under: Air Transport, Air safety, Weather

CITY OF SAN FERNANDO, Philippines—Foreign and domestic airlines diverted 10 of their planes to the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark Freeport north of here at around 5:50 p.m. due to zero visibility for landing at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Pasay City, a Clark International Airport Corp. official said.

Six Cebu Pacific planes (three A-320s, two ATR and an A-319), two Emirates (Beechcraft and B-777), an A-319 of the Philippine Air Lines and a McDonell aircraft of Zest Air diverted to DMIA, said CIAC executive vice president and chief operating officer Alex Cauguiran.

These were all incoming flights to the NAIA. Weather was bad around the area, he said, explaining why there was difficulty in landing.

The DMIA, a 2,500-hectare airport originally owned by the US Air Force, has been an alternative airport to NAIA since 1993.

hybridace101

June 5th, 2009, 04:13 PM

^^

How can you expect RP to be returned to Cat1 if the premier gateway is poorly equipped to handle zero visibility?

csc36869

June 5th, 2009, 04:42 PM

^^

How can you expect RP to be returned to Cat1 if the premier gateway is poorly equipped to handle zero visibility?

Weather is the reason for zero visibility in the area I think there's nothing we can do about that. I think that's good that they divert their flight to DMIA instead of endangering the lives of the passanger.

Mithril Cloud

June 5th, 2009, 06:38 PM

Zero visibility is zero visibility. Unless you find a way to blow all those clouds away then there is nothing that can be done about it, Category 1 or not.

mwg12a

June 5th, 2009, 09:08 PM

^^

How can you expect RP to be returned to Cat1 if the premier gateway is poorly equipped to handle zero visibility?

Even a well advanced country can have zero visibility at times, you're talking about nature here. It is better to ensure safety than be sorry in the end. It's a very good thing that there is also DMIA that is close by where flights can be diverted. I'm sure if DMIA experienced the same deal, NAIA can also be used to divert any incoming flights when the weather is bad.

bitoy

June 5th, 2009, 09:22 PM

^^ Balita ko, maraming tubig yung runway ng NAIA-1, it's not heavy clouds or fog, just rain. But to play it safe, the planes were diverted to Clark or they can be sent to Cebu.

Nag land nga kami sa Seattle ng hindi ko nakita yung runway. :lol:

mwg12a

June 5th, 2009, 09:51 PM

^^^^ Yeah, I was just pointing out the fact that even in advanced countries, zero visibility isn't something like a "remote" event or phenomenon. That even in a well equipped airports in the world can encounter such problem. I know the US military has some aircrafts that can fly through an extreme weather to a certain extent but you can't risk a commercial aircrafts with passengers in.

I've experienced in one of my airtravel before where the pilot really attempted to land our plane in what I've observed to be almost zero visibility. I think it was in St Louis Airport it happened. I can't even see the wing of our aircraft through the window. Every passengers were really quiet and you know everybody were half scared or unsure if we were still at a very high altitude, we just felt our plane touched down the runway and when we went to a complete halt, everybody just clapped their hands, I even heard one of the passengers quoted "we must have an awesome pilot to be able land the aircraft in a foggy night like that". This was in the early to mid90s. Alot of things have changed since there are protocols the pilots needed to follow especially in an inclement weather like that in NAIA.

bitoy

June 6th, 2009, 03:40 AM

^^ Most Airports have this ILS VOR/DME or Instrument Landing system, if the weather really sucks, then the tower can decide to divert all planes to a secondary landing area.
Kakatakot talaga when you look at the window of your plane and could not see anything.
Ilan beses na ako naka land sa mga airports and the only time I see the wing is when the plane touches the ground. :lol: O' well, that's nothing compared to when we land somewhere without a runway.... :D

pi_malejana

June 6th, 2009, 06:42 AM

^^ yup.. and besides, pilots are trained to land in these kinds of weather... kaya nga may instrument rating na tinatawag, di na kailangan ng windows, magrely lang sa computers... ang practical test nga jan afaik eh di pwedeng tignan ng student ung window, kelangan sa mga computer lang nakatingin...:D

pero syempre nasa pilot pa rin ang huling decision, kung sa tingin nya di nya kaya eh di hindi...:D

EDIT: look at this, a CAT 3 ILS landing...:eek:

M3wnl1Ut--o

bitoy

June 6th, 2009, 07:35 AM

^^ Kakatakot yang ILS landing, you need to trust your intruments and radio signals and the air traffic controller. And I think, tailhook or aircraft carrier landing is still the hardest of them all.

Naalala ko nga pala, last year nung ninakaw yung circuit box of the landing/guide lights ng NAIA... :lol:, bilib talaga ako sa Pinoy, lahat ninanakaw.

pi_malejana

June 6th, 2009, 07:48 AM

^^ haha kakatakot talaga, un ngang sa video para kang submarine, magsu-submerge na sa malalim na tubig...:D

bitoy

June 6th, 2009, 08:15 AM

^^ I have been to a lot of ILS landings, lalo na dito sa Northwest air bases, wala ka talagang makita at bigla na lang kakalampag yung landing gear touching the ground. Sabi nila sanayan yan, sabi ko. HENDEEEE!!!! takut ako! :lol:

Pero mas nakakatakot yung lalanding kayo at ilalagay mo yung kevlar mo sa upuan mo before landing in a hot zone dahil baka masundot ka ng bala ng AK-47... :lol:

Kintoy

June 6th, 2009, 01:25 PM

^^

How can you expect RP to be returned to Cat1 if the premier gateway is poorly equipped to handle zero visibility?

merong country na ba na nakaka-control ng weather?

Ecija

June 6th, 2009, 02:02 PM

merong country na ba na nakaka-control ng weather?

:lol::lol::lol:

hybridace101

June 6th, 2009, 05:35 PM

cyrusal

June 6th, 2009, 07:41 PM

^^ It is said that for airports equipped with Instrument Landing System (ILS), the permissible visibility for planes to land is 300m. For airports without the facility, a visibility of over 400m is required.

I do not know about NAIA.

Anyway, no airport is invincible with mother nature and yes there airports in world here flights have to be diverted due to bad weather. Take this for example:http://www.nationmultimedia.com/worldhotnews/30093953/Heavy-fog-diverts-airliners-from-Bangkok-airport

mwg12a

June 6th, 2009, 09:13 PM

The bottomline is I don't know of any other airport in the world where flights have to be diverted from due to bad weather and there needs to be equipment at MNL that must guide an aircraft to the runway in case of poor visibility.

Are you being serious??????? For real???? If that standard has to be followed, there would be plane crashes here and there with loss of lives. I have once worked in an airport and that is the usual procedure, poor visibility leads to flights diverted flights to a nearest airport the planes can land.

I myself had experienced in NY when our flights were diverted to Newark International airport due to a poor visibility. This is not something stupid or nonsense. We are talking a possible loss of life if the flights were not diverted. Most aircrafts has their own little weather radars to be able to predict the outcome of their flight path. That's up to the pilot's discretion. There were Emirates or foreign airlines that was diverted as well, if they think that it is safe even if the Airtraffic control warned them, they can still proceed at their own risk.

You have to be a pilot or an airtraffic control to be able to tell if it's risky to land in an airport, infact, as we speak, thre is a forumer today whose flight was diverted due to bad weather. Here, let me copy and borrow Kiretoce's post in another thread.

Wala lang....

I'm here at Orlando International Airport waiting for Andy (driftwood) to arrive, but his flight got diverted to Fort Lauderdale because of the severe weather we're having here in Orlando. He'll be arriving two hours later than expected.

Now, tell me if Orlando International which is a premier airport is not equiped with an advanced technology where flights like driftwoods flight was diverted to Ft Lauderdale because of SEVErE WEATHER , in your own words "DUE TO BAD WEATHER" Just for an FYI..

Kintoy

June 6th, 2009, 10:21 PM

FlashCollider

June 7th, 2009, 02:48 AM

hmm, sa pilipinas lang ba nagdadivert ng aircraft because of the weather?

Nope. This is a standard procedure, if the weather of the destination port is unfavorable then the control tower will immediately pick an alternate port for the incoming flight. The Pilot will decide either he will proceed and land on the original destination port or go to the alternate port as suggested by the control tower. The captain will consider other factors as well for landing on the alternate port, one is the cost of making sure that the passenger reach their intended destination.

kiretoce

June 7th, 2009, 04:50 AM

hmm, sa pilipinas lang ba nagdadivert ng aircraft because of the weather?

Nope. In fact that same situation happened today. I was supposed to pick-up forumer driftwood (Andy) at MCO (Orlando International Airport) at 12:30pm, but the his flight from ORD (Chicago-O'Hare International Airport) was diverted to FLL (Fort Lauderdale International Airport) because of severe weather here in Orlando. His plane was circling hoping for a break in the weather but can't find the opportunity to land, so the flight was diverted. Four hours later, he finally arrived after his plane refueled in Fort Lauderdale for the flight to Orlando.

mambo

June 7th, 2009, 05:01 AM

Sky Harbor

June 7th, 2009, 06:02 AM

^^ It could be a Beechcraft plane registered in the United Arab Emirates.

bitoy

June 7th, 2009, 06:05 AM

The bottomline is I don't know of any other airport in the world where flights have to be diverted from due to bad weather and there needs to be equipment at MNL that must guide an aircraft to the runway in case of poor visibility.

Don't worry, NAIA is equipped with ILS, that incident of flight diversions must have gone against the safety rules of landing in severe weather. It's a good thing that Clark is just minutes away, the worse scenario is if both Clark and NAIA are experiencing bad weather, then those that could not make it to Cebu or other alternate airports would try to land using ILS in which most(if not all) airline pilots are qualified.

Pag piloto na si pi_malejana, he can tell us his stories about "blind Flying".
Wag na autoland system, para ka lang naglalaro ng video game niyan... :lol:

avspilot69

June 7th, 2009, 06:19 AM

Nope. This is a standard procedure, if the weather of the destination port is unfavorable then the control tower will immediately pick an alternate port for the incoming flight. The Pilot will decide either he will proceed and land on the original destination port or go to the alternate port as suggested by the control tower. The captain will consider other factors as well for landing on the alternate port, one is the cost of making sure that the passenger reach their intended destination.

Incorrect. Per Instrument Flight Rules :

The crew files for an alternate airport if

* 1 hr before and after ETA at destination airport:
* 2,000 foot ceiling
* 3 mile visibility
* Precision approach at destination – 600 ft ceiling, 2 mile visibility
o ILS, PAR
* Nonprecision approaches – 800 ft ceiling, 2 mile visibility
o LOC, VOR, VOR/DME, NDB, SDF, etc.

It is the aircrew that files and chooses an alternate airport not the Control Tower. The crew must fly to an alternate if minimum landing requirements to the destination airport are not met. The factors that an aircrew will consider in case an alternate airport is required are the fuel status ie; the airplane must have enough fuel to fly to the alternate airport plus 45 minutes, landing minimums/category etc. Cost is never a factor. The safety of the flight is the overriding concern.

avspilot69

June 7th, 2009, 06:24 AM

Are you being serious??????? For real???? If that standard has to be followed, there would be plane crashes here and there with loss of lives. I have once worked in an airport and that is the usual procedure, poor visibility leads to flights diverted flights to a nearest airport the planes can land.

I myself had experienced in NY when our flights were diverted to Newark International airport due to a poor visibility. This is not something stupid or nonsense. We are talking a possible loss of life if the flights were not diverted. Most aircrafts has their own little weather radars to be able to predict the outcome of their flight path. That's up to the pilot's discretion. There were Emirates or foreign airlines that was diverted as well, if they think that it is safe even if the Airtraffic control warned them, they can still proceed at their own risk.

You have to be a pilot or an airtraffic control to be able to tell if it's risky to land in an airport, infact, as we speak, thre is a forumer today whose flight was diverted due to bad weather. Here, let me copy and borrow Kiretoce's post in another thread.

Now, tell me if Orlando International which is a premier airport is not equiped with an advanced technology where flights like driftwoods flight was diverted to Ft Lauderdale because of SEVErE WEATHER , in your own words "DUE TO BAD WEATHER" Just for an FYI..

Orlando is equipped with an ILS. I have landed there many times. However all ILS systems have minimum altitude requirements and visibility requirements. If those aren't met, the flight crew will divert.

bitoy

June 7th, 2009, 06:50 AM

^^ @avspilot69, thanks for the nice info. Indeed, passengers safety is the major concern.

mwg12a

June 7th, 2009, 06:50 AM

^^^^ @ avapilot69 -- Yep, pretty much what I said, you are a bit more technical in your explaination which is a good thing. Thank you for your input. The bottom line is it is always up to the pilot or the captain to decide whether to proceed, circle around or divert in certain situations. Air traffic controlers can advice about the weather but it is still up to the highly qualified pilot's discretion when it comes to safety matters.

boroyski

June 7th, 2009, 08:06 AM

mambo

June 7th, 2009, 08:35 AM

paano pa nakalipad ulit yong plane nyo kong nagovershoot na sa runway

kiretoce

June 7th, 2009, 08:46 AM

in_a_rush

June 7th, 2009, 08:48 AM

yung ibang tao kasi laging dindodown yung NAIA. basta makahanap lang ng rason, laging ipipilit eh!

avspilot69

June 7th, 2009, 08:53 AM

I suppose may ILS thing ang NAIA. Na-experienced ko na kasi na magland ang airplane na sinsakyan ko in a very bad weather condition. First approached ng airplane sa runway, parang overshoot or something, biglang tumaas ulit, umikot then nag try na naman na magland. yung 2nd attemp was succesful. But very, very scary. Mapapadasal ka talaga sa takot. Yun lang experience ko.

Hi, what you describe is called a "go-around". This is when at the very last minute the crew aborts the landing and transitions to a takeoff phase - full power and nose up. No need to worry, it happens a lot and is procedural in nature.

avspilot69

June 7th, 2009, 08:54 AM

absinthe_888

June 7th, 2009, 09:09 AM

I suppose may ILS thing ang NAIA. Na-experienced ko na kasi na magland ang airplane na sinsakyan ko in a very bad weather condition. First approached ng airplane sa runway, parang overshoot or something, biglang tumaas ulit, umikot then nag try na naman na magland. yung 2nd attemp was succesful. But very, very scary. Mapapadasal ka talaga sa takot. Yun lang experience ko.

NAIA is equipped with ILS and other navigational equipment, as per data from CAAP: (http://www.caap.gov.ph/web/airportsNAIA.htm)

avspilot69

June 7th, 2009, 10:10 AM

RPLL ILS RWY 6 & ILS RWY 24:cheers:

boroyski

June 7th, 2009, 10:46 AM

paano pa nakalipad ulit yong plane nyo kong nagovershoot na sa runway

^^ I think he meant an "aborted landing" instead "overshooting." Because once a plane overshoots the runway, it basically landed and can't stop in time until it used up the whole length of the runway and ditched itself at the end of it.

Hi, what you describe is called a "go-around". This is when at the very last minute the crew aborts the landing and transitions to a takeoff phase - full power and nose up. No need to worry, it happens a lot and is procedural in nature.

Sorry, Hindi ko alam ang term eh. Thanks for clarification. :)

ianers_ianized

June 7th, 2009, 01:05 PM

any news on the pending court case of naia? mg-oone-year na ang half-bake operation ng T3 ala pa din news... bka abutan pa yan ng 2010 elections.

mucho

June 7th, 2009, 01:39 PM

any news on the pending court case of naia? mg-oone-year na ang half-bake operation ng T3 ala pa din news... bka abutan pa yan ng 2010 elections.

oo nga. napabalita noon na pumunta si sec mercedita gutierez sa singapore para dinggin yung kaso pero wala ng balita after that, kahit ung paglipat ng 4 asian carriers wala na rin, baka they had second thought na to transfer kasi wala pang linaw yung kaso.....tsk! tsk! tsk! :ohno:

NightDog

June 7th, 2009, 03:15 PM

^^ I think he meant an "aborted landing" instead "overshooting." Because once a plane overshoots the runway, it basically landed and can't stop in time until it used up the whole length of the runway and ditched itself at the end of it.

Hi, what you describe is called a "go-around". This is when at the very last minute the crew aborts the landing and transitions to a takeoff phase - full power and nose up. No need to worry, it happens a lot and is procedural in nature.

TOGA

NightDog

June 7th, 2009, 03:17 PM

NAIA is equipped with ILS and other navigational equipment, as per data from CAAP: (http://www.caap.gov.ph/web/airportsNAIA.htm)

RPLL ILS RWY 6 & ILS RWY 24:cheers:

CAT 3

Kintoy

June 7th, 2009, 08:35 PM

Nope. In fact that same situation happened today. I was supposed to pick-up forumer driftwood (Andy) at MCO (Orlando International Airport) at 12:30pm, but the his flight from ORD (Chicago-O'Hare International Airport) was diverted to FLL (Fort Lauderdale International Airport) because of severe weather here in Orlando. His plane was circling hoping for a break in the weather but can't find the opportunity to land, so the flight was diverted. Four hours later, he finally arrived after his plane refueled in Fort Lauderdale for the flight to Orlando.

lol, it was a rhetorical queston :lol:

bitoy

June 8th, 2009, 04:42 AM

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Must be scary during the old days when there is no auto-pilot option on planes.

hybridace101

June 8th, 2009, 07:12 AM

^^

Do some pilots actually land using autopilot for commercial airlines?

pi_malejana

June 8th, 2009, 07:15 AM

^^ yes...:) actually, airline companies require their planes to be landed using autopilot numerous times a month; of course the number differs from every airline...

:cheers:

adverg

June 8th, 2009, 07:19 AM

^^I experience that when I went back sa atin when we have the stop over in Kota Kinabalu, by Malaysian Airlines, it's almost touch the landing when suddenly the pilot decided to go up again and it's really scary and we flew back to Brunei for 45 minutes. The report said 0 visibility in the landing, that's the rumor I heard when we stay for a while to Brunei then went back again to KK when there is a clear signal already before heading to Manila.

mwg12a

June 8th, 2009, 08:41 AM

^^ yes...:) actually, airline companies require their planes to be landed using autopilot numerous times a month; of course the number differs from every airline...

:cheers:

Yep, and from my understanding, pilots usually rely on their instruments when landing instead of pilots actually looking out forward visually. I think the pilots rather fly and land the aircrafts in autopilot, they just man or check the instruments every so often, it's pretty much a real easy job because everything is pretty much runing automatically, unless if it is really a must that the pilots would operate the aircraft manually or something, whatever term they have for it other than a manual operation.

pi_malejana

June 8th, 2009, 08:44 AM

they have to land manually at some point though... i think they call it currency, siguro mga pilots (i think this is per FAA idk about other aviation admins around the world) need to prove they are still experienced and that they exercise their skill every now and then...

mwg12a

June 8th, 2009, 08:46 AM

^^^^ Oh, I thought those are being done during recertifications or renewal of their pilot license .

pi_malejana

June 8th, 2009, 08:50 AM

yes i think... pero siguro even airline companies themselves have their own policy din, aside sa FAA (or other...) regarding experience di ako sure pero...:D
we need avspilot again ehehehe

mwg12a

June 8th, 2009, 09:22 AM

Yeah, and that guy who is a pilot for singapore airlines, Ark somthing...

ianers_ianized

June 8th, 2009, 11:17 AM

oo nga. napabalita noon na pumunta si sec mercedita gutierez sa singapore para dinggin yung kaso pero wala ng balita after that, kahit ung paglipat ng 4 asian carriers wala na rin, baka they had second thought na to transfer kasi wala pang linaw yung kaso.....tsk! tsk! tsk! :ohno:

ang bagal ng usad grabe mg-one yr na prang wala rin nmang gana ang govt na i-fully operational sya... if that's the case then cguro we'll wait nlng for next president to make a move on this...

kiretoce

June 8th, 2009, 03:54 PM

Yeah, and that guy who is a pilot for singapore airlines, Ark somthing...

His name is Arkdriver. Yeah, haven't seen him in a while, must be busy driving SQ's Mega Ark around the world.

Sky Harbor

June 8th, 2009, 05:04 PM

His name is Arkdriver. Yeah, haven't seen him in a while, must be busy driving SQ's Mega Ark around the world.

I've seen him around the international forums, if it's any consolation. :D

(By the way, I'll post airport pics when I arrive in Manila! :banana:)

bitoy

June 9th, 2009, 12:22 AM

Yep, and from my understanding, pilots usually rely on their instruments when landing instead of pilots actually looking out forward visually. I think the pilots rather fly and land the aircrafts in autopilot, they just man or check the instruments every so often, it's pretty much a real easy job because everything is pretty much runing automatically, unless if it is really a must that the pilots would operate the aircraft manually or something, whatever term they have for it other than a manual operation.

"There are two different types of flying, VFR or Visual Flight Rules, and IFR, or Instrument Flight Rules"

Airline pilots always rely on their intruments especially on night landing or extreme weather conditions...blah..blah... :D

Not me, if I crashed the plane or overshoot a runway, I just restart my MS Flight simulator game... :lol:

Minsan, sa bubungan pa ng isang building ako nag landing. :bash:

avspilot69

June 9th, 2009, 01:37 AM

AmbutLang

June 9th, 2009, 06:01 PM

"There are two different types of flying, VFR or Visual Flight Rules, and IFR, or Instrument Flight Rules"

Airline pilots always rely on their intruments especially on night landing or extreme weather conditions...blah..blah... :D

Not me, if I crashed the plane or overshoot a runway, I just restart my MS Flight simulator game... :lol:

Minsan, sa bubungan pa ng isang building ako nag landing. :bash:

I think you forgot the other meaning of IFR as it was given to to us by ICAO instructor way back then when I worked as airways technician sa MCIA. :jk:
IFR - Instrument Flying Rule but in case the instrument fails I Follow the River kicks in. :) This really happened in the early 70's when one of the plane of Elizalde flew in a bad weather condition in Mindanao and the instrument fail with poor visibility so I Followed a River which led him to the airport but he was to low. There were survivors. :ohno:

bitoy

June 9th, 2009, 07:17 PM

I think you forgot the other meaning of IFR as it was given to to us by ICAO instructor way back then when I worked as airways technician sa MCIA. :jk:
IFR - Instrument Flying Rule but in case the instrument fails I Follow the River kicks in. :) This really happened in the early 70's when one of the plane of Elizalde flew in a bad weather condition in Mindanao and the instrument fail with poor visibility so I Followed a River which led him to the airport but he was to low. There were survivors. :ohno:

Hehehe, that could be written on the new flight rules. If there is an attempt to ditch a plane, go to a river like the :US Airways Flight 1549 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549)

Airbus din that got hit by geese and lost power. Kawawa naman yung Air France that crashed in the Atlantic, they are recovering bodies and debris right now.

With so many flights that I had, thank God that I was able to walk out all those landings safely.

terrapinoy

June 9th, 2009, 08:50 PM

Saw some old photos of Manila International Airport on amoreta.com (http://amoreta.com/project-airports.html). Wonder what year were these photos taken.

http://amoreta.com/images/big-old-airport.jpg

http://amoreta.com/images/big-naia.jpg

Sky Harbor

June 9th, 2009, 08:53 PM

^^ The bottom one was definitely taken before 1986, since it still went by the name "Manila International Airport".

le Reine

June 10th, 2009, 03:29 PM

The first pic doesn't look like it's NAIA...

ianers_ianized

June 10th, 2009, 03:50 PM

nostalgic NAIA pic... I can't believe it was still in the 70's and 80's... buti nlng I'm training at T3 than this bulok T1...

Mojacko

June 10th, 2009, 04:12 PM

http://amoreta.com/images/big-old-airport.jpg

This must have been taken in the mid-70s to early 80s (after the original 1950s-built one burnt down and before NAIA Terminal 1 was built). I vaguely remember my dad and I driving by here when I was a baby - beyond the tarmac (yes, before security walls and fences!) - I marvelled at my first sighting of a 747 taxiing - not Philippine Airlines, though (they didn't get their first 747-200s until 1979), but - of all airlines to remember - Pan Am!!!

As a further footnote, it was this building that remained abandoned after all international flight operations moved to NAIA 1 in 1981. Demolition work on the building began around 1984/85, clearing all but the control tower (it remained operational into the next decade!), until it too was leveled after the present-day one was erected around 1994/95. NAIA Terminal 2 (aka the Centennial Terminal) now stands in its place.

Kintoy

June 10th, 2009, 09:22 PM

This must have been taken in the mid-70s to early 80s (after the original 1950s-built one burnt down and before NAIA Terminal 1 was built). I vaguely remember my dad and I driving by here when I was a baby - beyond the tarmac (yes, before security walls and fences!) - I marvelled at my first sighting of a 747 taxiing - not Philippine Airlines, though (they didn't get their first 747-200s until 1979), but - of all airlines to remember - Pan Am!!!

As a further footnote, it was this building that remained abandoned after all international flight operations moved to NAIA 1 in 1981. Demolition work on the building began around 1984/85, clearing all but the control tower (it remained operational into the next decade!), until it too was leveled after the present-day one was erected around 1994/95. NAIA Terminal 2 (aka the Centennial Terminal) now stands in its place.

wow you can read when you were a baby? promil kid :lol:

numiX

June 11th, 2009, 12:19 AM

Gate 116 of NAIA T3 still inoperative. But the automatic doors are finally working, improvement works still on going. Hopefully Changi will take over the airport privately soon.

hybridace101

June 11th, 2009, 01:56 AM

^^

Are there rumours that Changi will take over?

boroyski

June 11th, 2009, 04:19 AM

Gate 116 of NAIA T3 still inoperative. But the automatic doors are finally working, improvement works still on going. Hopefully Changi will take over the airport privately soon.

Is it true? Can you provide link?

Mojacko

June 11th, 2009, 07:36 AM

wow you can read when you were a baby? promil kid :lol:

As I watched that big 747 taxiing, actually, I had stuck in my head the commercial for Pan Am being played on local TV during those days - that's how I recognized the airline. (So, yes - even as a baby, I already was a commercial aviation aficionado, in other words, I was BORN one. :) )

Believe it or not, although Pan Am was a US airline, we had our own tagline for it! (In fact, Pan Am - being the US global airline in those days - had localized destination-specific versions of its tagline: so there's one in Chinese, Japanese, Spanish, German, etc.) Sung to the tune of the original US tagline "You can't beat the experience - Pan Am!", our version went something like " ... 'di kayang pantayan. Pan Am!" - if I recall correctly.

habagatcentral1

June 11th, 2009, 01:24 PM

^^ Impressive...:applause: Siguro naman toddler ka na, hindi na baby...kasi even I still remember pigments of my early past din kahit papaano...:D

Anyway, since when did NAIA/MIA used the Domestic Terminal for Domestic flights and NAIA-1 exclusively for international?

kaboomerangle

June 11th, 2009, 02:13 PM

Cusi: 2 more airlines to relocate to Terminal 3 (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business3_june11_2009)

TWO more airlines are expected to relocate their operations to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 within the year, joining the three carriers already operating at the facility.

Alfonso Cusi, general manager of the Manila International Airport Authority, declined to name the two airlines, but said their system requirements matched that of Terminal 3. The terminal can accommodate 13 million passengers.

Cebu Pacific operates its domestic and international flights from Terminal 3, along with Air Philippines and PAL Express which run domestic flights from the facility.

Terminal 3 has processed 8 million passengers in its first year of operations, leaving capacity of 5 million more passengers.

Cusi said there could even be room for at least one more airline, but only two were accommodated this year to avoid choking the system.

Relocating at least two international carriers to Terminal 3 would ease the load of Terminal 1, which currently hosts some 30 international carriers.

He said that about 50 to 60 percent of the new passenger terminal was operational, excluding the parking and mall areas.

“The other airlines will transfer to Terminal 3 as soon as the baggage handling system, check-in system and flight information details system are online,” said Cusi.

He said the baggage system was still manually operated while the flight information details system was still a stand-alone system.

Meanwhile, Cusi said passenger traffic was growing despite the global economic crisis and the influenza A(H1N1) scare.

any guesses on the identities of these airlines? :)

NicknameForLife

June 11th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 02:32 PM

^^ Spirit of Manila flies solely out of CRK. Zest is the more likely candidate, and probably an international airline as well.

Rodel

June 11th, 2009, 03:46 PM

Rodel

June 11th, 2009, 03:48 PM

but anyhow, my guess is just the same, zest air is the most likely airline, while the other one is a foreign carrier...my guess, SIA.

thescene

June 11th, 2009, 04:36 PM

Well there was a rumour a few months ago that 4 airlines would move to T3. Now it's down to two. Perhaps by the end of the year there will be just 1 moving.

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 04:52 PM

^^ The article clearly stated that two more airlines are moving. This means that six, not two, airlines will be moving to NAIA-3. :D

thescene

June 11th, 2009, 04:55 PM

^^ The article clearly stated that two more airlines are moving. This means that six, not two, airlines will be moving to NAIA-3. :D

Nope it said two more airlines will be joining the 3 that are already using the terminal. :)

cyrusal

June 11th, 2009, 05:20 PM

Probably it is CX and SQ. :)

AmbutLang

June 11th, 2009, 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=terrapinoy;38013426]Saw some old photos of Manila International Airport on amoreta.com (http://amoreta.com/project-airports.html). Wonder what year were these photos taken.

http://amoreta.com/images/big-old-airport.jpg[QUOTE]

This was the terminal used when I left the country the first time.:) ooppss getting old napala ako. :lol:

anonymous_filipino

June 11th, 2009, 06:10 PM

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 06:12 PM

^^ If it was two joining three, it would most likely be Z2 and CX, Z2 and SQ or Z2 and KE. PR is staying put in NAIA-2.

anonymous_filipino

June 11th, 2009, 06:16 PM

^^ If it was two joining three, it would most likely be Z2 and CX, Z2 and SQ or Z2 and KE. PR is staying put in NAIA-2.

Well it's just a guess. Who knows maybe Al Cusi offered something juicy to Lucio Tan and his lieutenant Jaime Bautista to persuade them to use NAIA 3.

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 06:23 PM

^^ It's well-known fact that PR will refuse to separate their operations across two different terminals, except for PAL Express. Keeping PAL domestic in NAIA-2 but moving PAL international to NAIA-3 is highly unlikely, and if it were to happen, Alfonso Cusi must have made hefty concessions (or given hefty perks) to PAL so that they can consider otherwise.

thescene

June 12th, 2009, 02:08 AM

I really hope one of the two is a foreign carrier. That could open the way for other carriers to follow.

Rodel

June 12th, 2009, 04:39 AM

My guess would be PAL international and SQ, or SQ and EK.

if it will be PR international, that would mean that its domestic will stay in T2.

Rodel

June 12th, 2009, 04:42 AM

Mithril Cloud

June 12th, 2009, 08:17 AM

Maybe the rest of the carriers at the Old Domestic Terminal.

Rodel

June 12th, 2009, 11:17 AM

Maybe the rest of the carriers at the Old Domestic Terminal.
Z2 is using the old domestic terminal plus sea air....T2 will be too big for them.

maybe we can go back to the original plan, that is,
all domestic flights will be in T2 and all international flights will be in T3
but i think PR would like to have their flights both domestic and international in one roof.

anonymous_filipino

June 12th, 2009, 12:19 PM

Z2 is using the old domestic terminal plus sea air....T2 will be too big for them.

maybe we can go back to the original plan, that is,
all domestic flights will be in T2 and all international flights will be in T3
but i think PR would like to have their flights both domestic and international in one roof.

^^ And I know why. It's not because of operational costs of operating in two terminals because that's a very lame reason, kung ang Singapore Airlines nga nagawa nilang hatihin yung operation nila between Changi Airport Terminal 2 and Terminal 3. The reason is the difficult transfer from international to domestic if PR would move its international flights to T3 and let the domestic flights stay in T2.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 12:34 PM

^^ In addition, T2 is set to be expanded anyway.

WawaY[625]

June 12th, 2009, 05:59 PM

magkano ang terminal fee sa T3 from Manila to Davao?

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 06:17 PM

^^ The terminal fee is P200 regardless if you fly PR (NAIA-2), 5J (NAIA-3) or Z2 (Domestic).

mwg12a

June 12th, 2009, 06:48 PM

^^ And I know why. It's not because of operational costs of operating in two terminals because that's a very lame reason, kung ang Singapore Airlines nga nagawa nilang hatihin yung operation nila between Changi Airport Terminal 2 and Terminal 3. The reason is the difficult transfer from international to domestic if PR would move its international flights to T3 and let the domestic flights stay in T2.

Yes, that is what I believe why PAL keeps on refusing to transfer to t3, they like the idea of operating under one roof because IT IS COST EFFECTIVE since it's easier to process transfering international passengers,luguages and cargoes under one roof unless NAIA has a better connectivity between t3 and t2. They are trying their best to provide a good customer satisfaction in atleast an "on-time" service and hassle free transfer/transit to all of it's domestic destinations. Changi has all these so even if they operate in two separate terimal building they have a very effective operational system there.