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wino

March 16th, 2010, 04:23 AM

@ Fengrun nice shots.. you are lucky you went with PAL

i just got back in the country too last Saturday midnight.. I landed in NAIA 1..

AND IT WAS REALLY A VERY TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE FOR ME!!
NAIA 1 is the worst airport i have ever been to...
akala ko naligaw ako sa divisoria pagbaba ko ng eroplano!! tsk tsk tsk..

amoy lumot sa arrival area...
ang daming obstructions sa daan..
ang daming stalls, na hinde mo maintindihan.. parang divisoria
sobra haba ng pila sa immigration..
ang washroom ubod ng dumi.. wala pang pintuan, nasa tabi pa ng kalsada, 2 tao lang ata kakasya per time..
pag labas mo sa waiting area.. puros usok, ang daming tinderang nakaupo sa gilid ng kalsada.. parang palengke.. ang baho baho pa!!
sobrang traffic, parking lot palang.. 1 oras na inabot namin paglabas
paglabas mo ng parking lot sa main road.. uber traffic parin, every 2 minutes may batang lalapit, namamalimos... the second kid.. d namin binigyan ng pera.. minura pa kami!! (it was very depressing for me.. poverty was readily obvious just right after landing)

I WAS JUST SO GLAD I WAS ABLE TO GET OUT OF THE PLACE!!
and btw.. IT WAS an INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT?!! no wonder tourists have bad impressions on the country... tsk tsk tsk...

mucho

March 16th, 2010, 09:03 AM

Mithril Cloud

March 16th, 2010, 09:35 AM

Where's the proof?

mwg12a

March 16th, 2010, 09:53 AM

pi_malejana

March 16th, 2010, 10:02 AM

mwg12a

March 16th, 2010, 10:13 AM

Alam naman natin ang talagang score at ang credible claims diba? Pag super exaggerated na mas kita mo lalo kaya tama lang ang sabi ni methril cloud. Where is the proof????

There are alot of people or pinoys who has a very credible claims on their predicaments, most of them are sound and to top it all, they usually show proofs. With my statement above, I can tell that the complaint wasn't even about the terminal alone but outside the terminal as well. When you are in a city that is considered the capital and with its enormous size, it's to be expected to see traffics and such. New York city looks run down to me in most of it's area but since I knew it is an old city and with its size, things like those isn't even worth mentioning anymore because it is what it is, people knew it all along. There is such thing as the so called "culture shock" that's been plaguing some people, sadly alot of filipinos are susceptible to these plague, these are the ones who acts more american than the real americans or whatever country they chose to live in permanently and these are the ones who are chronic complainers. Just the way it is, I still can't understand these among some or alot of filipinos. That includes those who almost deny their heritage, they are the ones who are very condescending towards fellow filipinos. It's just a sad truth for alot of filipinos that sometimes you easily get paranoid towards other filipinos already. Alot of us do not respect ourselves but some of us dont even realize all these, they are either too naive or too ignorant.

wino

March 16th, 2010, 07:57 PM

wino

March 16th, 2010, 08:58 PM

Where's the proof?

i don't know if this looks bad to you.. but for me it is.. considering i am very very exhausted from traveling..
felt like i was getting my passport old school style.

there was even an instance when this old lady finally got in front of the line.. but was forced to go back at the end coz she forgot to fill up some forms.. it was really crazy.

they don't even give priorities to Mothers with small kids and the elderly.... :(

@mwg12a
I KNOW YOU FIND THIS TOLERABLE (good for you).. YOU CAN CALL ME NAIVE OR EXAGGERATED.. but i wouldn't call this OK. hanga ako sa PATRIOTISM mo, hinde ka nashoshock at natitiis mo yan.

(Picture taken at the IMMIGRATION exit of NAIA 1.. i was already halfway in the line when i took the picture.. )
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg127/wino05/DSCF2418.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg127/wino05/DSCF2419.jpg

Arvor

March 16th, 2010, 09:07 PM

http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/airport_metered_taxi_naia.8l7g6me531oo0oocss8kog8ko.6ylu316ao144c8c4woosog48w.th.jpeg

I liked the Yellow Taxis in T3 they even ask you where you are going before you get into the taxi and write down the taxi number , then the driver asked me which way i wanted to use to go to Las Pinas i chose SLEX , it seemed like a modern operation since they even have a dispatch .

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_20.jpg

I guess i was lucky last time i was there in November T1 it barely took me half an hour from deplaning passing through controls and bags and it was relatively empty , the only thing that i felt was a bit awkward was the welcoming dance/music troop lol but ok the 3 forms that i had to fill out was also annoying .

I agree that the parking area with the letters a b c d etc look bad but i guess its a good thing that im half filipino and used to such scenes so i wasnt as shocked as some foreigners might be , i agree tho that some of those shops looked a bit like shanty sari sari stores , lol i know we must put forward Phillipine authenticity but maybe it's too soon after landing to present it ... :lol: let them get to a hotel first .

Leaving again in T1 was a slightly worst experience in the check in lobby as our SQ and other waiting lines snaked and zigzagged across half the airport lol , almost got late .

I dont really care much as long as im able to get in and out of the airport quickly which is my main concern , the heat of course is hard when your coming from a cooler climate but then again Changi wasnt that much cooler , nevertheless despite these inconveniences i guess its still better than having to go to DMIA .

T3 of course is a different story in a good way .

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_21.jpg
T3 hey why are the men on the other side of the line ? ... lol i didnt know it was segregated .

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_22.jpg

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_23.jpg

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_24.jpg

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_25.jpg

Now SQ in T3 that would be sweet :cheers: .

http://www.buzzen.com/files/pictures/img_169513_1_26.jpg
My SQ A380 at LHR

kalbongdad

March 17th, 2010, 02:19 AM

i don't know if this looks bad to you.. but for me it is.. considering i am very very exhausted from traveling..
felt like i was getting my passport old school style.

there was even an instance when this old lady finally got in front of the line.. but was forced to go back at the end coz she forgot to fill up some forms.. it was really crazy.

they don't even give priorities to Mothers with small kids and the elderly.... :(

@mwg12a
I KNOW YOU FIND THIS TOLERABLE (good for you).. YOU CAN CALL ME NAIVE OR EXAGGERATED.. but i wouldn't call this OK. hanga ako sa PATRIOTISM mo, hinde ka nashoshock at natitiis mo yan.

(Picture taken at the IMMIGRATION exit of NAIA 1.. i was already halfway in the line when i took the picture.. )
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg127/wino05/DSCF2418.jpg
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg127/wino05/DSCF2419.jpg

nagkataon lang na sabay sabay ang dating ng flights kaya mahaba ang line sa immigration....talagang nakakainit ng ulo....in my case...i have not experienced na ganun kahaba ang pila....siguro sabay sabay kaya pati restroom madumi sa dami ng gumagamit.....mukhang tolerable naman ang naia1 i have been to airports worse than naia1....sa U.S. pa mismo....not all airports dun ay maganda...btw....at meron din mga swindlers...lalo na sfo meron nagbebenta ng ballpen...tapos sisingilin ka ng malaki parang donation daw...or kung ano anong raket....siguro natuto ito sa mga pinoy....:lol:
or maybe @wino was just having a bad hair day....in may case it will never happen...:lol::lol::lol:

Sky Harbor

March 17th, 2010, 02:41 AM

^^ 11:00 pm is the ungodly hour when all the 747s arrive. DL's flights from NRT and NGO and KE and OZ's flights from ICN arrive at that time. When they converge at immigration, the immigration authorities have a hard time keeping all hell from breaking loose.

ponso

March 17th, 2010, 03:03 AM

@"whine"-o - errr, you've never been to a lot of airports, have you? Next time, try popping into London Heathrow, my home airport at the moment, and try to catch a 7:30 AM flight...

^^ errrr.... parang ang layo na ng pinagsasabi mo...

i do see your point.. if you don't find me credible it's ok.
but that was my truthful, fair and unbiased opinion..
if you do not believe that we were stucked in the parking lot of the airport for more than 1 hour.. it's ok.. (considering it was midnight)

and don't talk about heritage ek ek.. i was just talking about the OLD NAIA 1.. it doesn't have anything to do with patriotism.

and I honestly respect people.
and i do love NAIA 2 and NAIA 3... that's why i really wished i went with PAL.

me overacting?? SUPER EXAGGERATED??!!!
oh c'mon... open your eyes.. and your nose!!

"LUMA LANG ANG NAIA???"
O C'MON IT'S MORE THAN JUST OLD.... being old is a lame excuse..
It can be old, but it's no excuse to be dirty, inefficient and unaccommodating.
why don't you try traveling for more than 25 hours straight and land on NAIA 1... and then tell me if I was being NAIVE.

and yes you are right.. I DO LOVE TO COMPLAIN!! my apologies..
can't help it, i just hate incompetency.

and oh.. FYI -- i don't have any complains with NAIA terminal 2. i find it excellent!

jpdm

March 17th, 2010, 03:13 AM

Manila-X

March 17th, 2010, 03:25 AM

T1 is terrible I have to admit. But good thing this is not the only terminal NAIA has.

garycooper

March 17th, 2010, 03:33 AM

Ang dami mo palang reklamo sa sarili mong bansa mag mula sa airport hanggang sa labas nito at kalye, sana hindi ka na lang umuwi, wala naman mapapala sa iyo ang pinas, hindi kailangan ng pinas ang mga pinoy na na culture shock ng makarating sa ibang bansa. Ako ilang beses na akong nakabalik sa pinas, okay lang sa akin, luma lang ang terminal 1, pero terminal 2 okay sa akin malinis at bago.

and you can say this because??
mas maganda atang ma-recognize mo kung anung mali kaysa maging manhid..
isa pa, di na kelangang pumunta pa sa ibang bansa para malaman na madaming mali/hindi maganda sa pilipinas, unang una na ang traffic...
kung tutuusin kanya kanyang taste lang iyan, di ko lang masikmura ung mga reaction ng mga tao dito sa tuwing may masasabi ng ganyan tungkol sa naia...

Minsan hindi natin maiiwasan na merong mga Pinoy na pagnakatuntong ng ibang bansa, lahat ng tungkol sa Pinoy pumapangit na. I know many people who are like this. Wala ng ginawa kundi pintasan ang kung anuman meron dito sa Pilipinas, mula sa airport, sa kalye, sa traffic, mga produkto, pati mga artista, pelikula, etc. Minsan pati yata pulubi sa kalye pinipintasan kasi hindi marunong manamit. :lol:

Pero wala kang magagawa, may mga tao talagang mahilig mamintas. Pero sana marunong din tayong mag- appreciate. Peace.

jpdm

March 17th, 2010, 03:38 AM

kalbongdad

March 17th, 2010, 03:42 AM

ALTERED NATIVES ang tawag sa mga yun.....

wino

March 17th, 2010, 06:04 AM

Minsan hindi natin maiiwasan na merong mga Pinoy na pagnakatuntong ng ibang bansa, lahat ng tungkol sa Pinoy pumapangit na. I know many people who are like this. Wala ng ginawa kundi pintasan ang kung anuman meron dito sa Pilipinas, mula sa airport, sa kalye, sa traffic, mga produkto, pati mga artista, pelikula, etc. Minsan pati yata pulubi sa kalye pinipintasan kasi hindi marunong manamit. :lol:

Pero wala kang magagawa, may mga tao talagang mahilig mamintas. Pero sana marunong din tayong mag- appreciate. Peace.

i was just talking about the airport.. the old NAIA 1..

bakit nilahat nio na?.... you guys are unfair.

wino

March 17th, 2010, 06:24 AM

From frozen Canada to sweltering Philippines ! Mabuhay at Aray ko!

i do not mind the weather at all, sabi nila humanda ako at may el nino daw.... i loved it actually.. d nga ako nagpapahatid sa kotse ee.. mas type ko maglakad at sumakay ng jeep. actually mas maarte nga ung pinsan ko e.. d sila nag-ccommute, ayaw nila mainitan..

wino

March 17th, 2010, 06:28 AM

@"whine"-o - errr, you've never been to a lot of airports, have you? Next time, try popping into London Heathrow, my home airport at the moment, and try to catch a 7:30 AM flight...

does that mean i have no rights to complain.. at lunukin na lang ang kapalpakan ng NAIA 1??

ok.... just forget what i said..
i'm not whining here anymore..

i take it all back.. in the end ako din kasi ang mababatikos at tatawaging maarte at kung ano ano pang masasakit na salita...

after all i'm a Filipino and i have to be nationalistic... kaya eto na lang ang sasabihin ko.. makaiwas lang sa batikos..

NAIA 1 is an EXCELLENT airport, there's nothing bad i can think of it. it is just perfect for travelers.

kalbongdad

March 17th, 2010, 06:30 AM

:rofl:

wino

March 17th, 2010, 06:37 AM

T1 is terrible I have to admit. But good thing this is not the only terminal NAIA has.

i actually learned my lesson.. from now on.. i will only ride PHILIPPINE AIRLINES when i return again. the extra $300 is worth it.
namiss ko tuloy ung terminal 2....

pi_malejana

March 17th, 2010, 07:27 AM

Minsan hindi natin maiiwasan na merong mga Pinoy na pagnakatuntong ng ibang bansa, lahat ng tungkol sa Pinoy pumapangit na. I know many people who are like this. Wala ng ginawa kundi pintasan ang kung anuman meron dito sa Pilipinas, mula sa airport, sa kalye, sa traffic, mga produkto, pati mga artista, pelikula, etc. Minsan pati yata pulubi sa kalye pinipintasan kasi hindi marunong manamit. :lol:

Pero wala kang magagawa, may mga tao talagang mahilig mamintas. Pero sana marunong din tayong mag- appreciate. Peace.

but not everyone is like that..

ang lumalabas kasi dito lahat ng nagcocomment ng hindi maganda, masama na... anti-filipino na, influenced na ng ibang kultura...:ohno: this is the NAIA thread after all, sinabi lang kung anung naging experience sa airport...

diz

March 17th, 2010, 07:32 AM

@"whine"-o - errr, you've never been to a lot of airports, have you? Next time, try popping into London Heathrow, my home airport at the moment, and try to catch a 7:30 AM flight...

Wow. Get out of here.

T1, without a doubt, thoroughly sucks ass.

I've heard it from my dad and uncle who were the latest to return to the country. I, thank god, will take PAL in the future.

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But good for you wino, way to be the bigger kid. It's not like you would ever get through such thick skulls anyway. Just saying.

railadvocate

March 17th, 2010, 07:41 AM

kalbongdad

March 17th, 2010, 07:51 AM

While I dont agree with everything wino said, Lets be true to ourselves, napakaefficient nga naman ba ng NAIA1? Ganyan ang mga pinoy e kaya di tayo makaahon. Kahit na we know in ourselves na panget at ineffecient ang NAIA 1, in denial pa rin tayo. We pretend na everything is ok na NAIA doesnt have any problems, pero have we forgotten na naging Category 2 tau because of our lousy airports?? NAIA 1 might not be the cause of it all, pero it contributed a lot to this downgrading since main airport ng bansa yan. Someone mentioned problems at LHR. Well, nirereplace na nila yan now with a new terminal (Heathrow East). Tayo naman may terminal 3 nga, luma na ngayon di pa rin maging fully operational. And ever seen Terminal 5 of LHR? Masakit man iadmit , ay dapat natin tangapin natin ang mga kapalpakan ng ating sistema ng buong buo. Ika nga, The truth HURTS!

one thing that new gen pipol doesn't seem to know....is that we are of different culture....malay po tayo....we pipol in the east we beat around the bush....and fix things quietly....we do not want to hurt the feelings of other pipol....in contrast iba ang mga nasa west they are direct to the point they do not care whom they hurt.....meron + at - dyan.....for pipol who have adopted the western thing...pls be mindful of pipol truer to their nature....for pipol who are of the east pls keep an open minded...

Kintoy

March 17th, 2010, 08:47 AM

I remember when Claire Danes was declared persona non grata for saying unsavory things about Manila :lol:

judging from wino's pics NAIA 1 wont be winning any best airport award soon I think.

and can they do something about that bus terminal atmosphere of the guest receiving area?

Sky Harbor

March 17th, 2010, 08:55 AM

b_two

March 17th, 2010, 09:21 AM

kalbongdad

March 17th, 2010, 09:45 AM

kanya kanya yan level of tolerance....the more tolerate you are the more learned the person you have become......o baka biglang lahat tolerable na...:lol:

amras

March 17th, 2010, 10:09 AM

basta ako kahit tinutukuran lang ng kawayan at may bubong na pawid ang terminal 1 ok lang kasi ang importante "nakauwi na ako sa bansa ko!!!" di na mahalaga sa akin kung maganda, mabaho at magulo... di ko na yun napapansin kasi excited na ako makita mga naghihintay sa akin sa labas.

yun naman talaga ang importante, nakauwi ka ng ligtas para sa mga naghihintay sa yo. hehe

I've also been to NAIA I quite a number of times. I agree with some of the negative comments about the terminal like the "smell", the overcrowding, the old facilities. However I don't really consider these as too much nuisance. Yes it can get very crowded when 3-4 flights arrive next to each other, but what can you do? I mean I've also experienced this in Doha, Bangkok, even in Singapore.

Most of the staffs are also friendly, well maybe except for the Immigration officers but so far I haven't really encountered a jolly immigration officer anywhere else. If anyone of you did, then good for you!

I think sometimes we can be too harsh with ourselves. NAIA I is not perfect but is still very functional. It's been neglected for a long time, maintenance-wise, but at least we can see improvements from here and there (e.g. new carpeting, the extended departure area, etc. I think the smell will never disappear unless they disinfect the whole place :lol:. NAIA is old and there is only so much you can do with an ageing facility. Honestly, I'm still in awe everytime I use NAIA I especially the departure area. I mean, I always thought like "hey, we had this kind of terminal before other countries had the same". And it feels just nice. :)

jpdm

March 17th, 2010, 10:21 AM

i do not mind the weather at all, sabi nila humanda ako at may el nino daw.... i loved it actually.. d nga ako nagpapahatid sa kotse ee.. mas type ko maglakad at sumakay ng jeep. actually mas maarte nga ung pinsan ko e.. d sila nag-ccommute, ayaw nila mainitan..

does that mean i have no rights to complain.. at lunukin na lang ang kapalpakan ng NAIA 1??

ok.... just forget what i said..
i'm not whining here anymore..

i take it all back.. in the end ako din kasi ang mababatikos at tatawaging maarte at kung ano ano pang masasakit na salita...

after all i'm a Filipino and i have to be nationalistic... kaya eto na lang ang sasabihin ko.. makaiwas lang sa batikos..

NAIA 1 is an EXCELLENT airport, there's nothing bad i can think of it. it is just perfect for travelers.

Actually sa akin ok lang yung sinabi mo, pero siguro dahil Asyano tayo sana very diplomatic ang kritisismo, may konti pa ring lambing..karino brutal ba:lol::lol::lol:

hybridace101

March 17th, 2010, 11:17 AM

Arvor

March 17th, 2010, 03:20 PM

And it feels just nice.

Lol even when your check in line snakes through half the terminal ? .

Looking at it objectively yes T1 wont win alot of awards , while alot of the easthetics the lack of airco and the sari sari stores in the pickup area can be brushed aside as tolerable nuissance that shouldnt really be an issue , the real problems in my opinion is overcrowding , i had a smooth arrival out whitin 30 minutes even the immigration officers were uber nice one was even flirting lol but the check in lines as i left was ridiculously long , so we have to divide it between nuissance and deficiencies that have a real impact on a traveller using the terminal .

I wouldnt go so far as to take PAL just to avoid T1 as long as i can get in and out of the terminal quick its fine , i dont plan on spending my time in the Phillipines in a terminal anyway , besides i love the A380 and Singapore girl experience too much lol that its worth suffering T1 :lol: .

sandwindstars

March 17th, 2010, 03:27 PM

I've been through NAIA 1, 3 times in the last 8 years, and 2 consecutive years. All I can say is that it's too small to handle the volume of passengers, that's why it's so packed always, no downtimes. In the last 2 times, went through it maybe 8 times, I noticed improvements like 35 minutes to get out from airline gate to taxi stand (even at the busiest time); shuttle bus to the other terminals, yellow taxi stand etc. The snaking line up to check in is quite common in super busy airports, and one has to grin and bear it. The one thing I didn't like is in the pick up zone, yes, I can agree that it looks like a palengke, totally confusing but have to say the cop or the security were very helpful. The only thing one can do is WRITE to the management and be specific with your observations, and hope they can add to their to-do list.

tonyboy

March 17th, 2010, 03:47 PM

Lol even when your check in line snakes through half the terminal ? .

Looking at it objectively yes T1 wont win alot of awards , while alot of the easthetics the lack of airco and the sari sari stores in the pickup area can be brushed aside as tolerable nuissance that shouldnt really be an issue , the real problems in my opinion is overcrowding , i had a smooth arrival out whitin 30 minutes even the immigration officers were uber nice one was even flirting lol but the check in lines as i left was ridiculously long , so we have to divide it between nuissance and deficiencies that have a real impact on a traveller using the terminal .

I wouldnt go so far as to take PAL just to avoid T1 as long as i can get in and out of the terminal quick its fine , i dont plan on spending my time in the Phillipines in a terminal anyway , besides i love the A380 and Singapore girl experience too much lol that its worth suffering T1 :lol: .

i totally agree with you...my wife and i happen to like terminal 1 cuz that's how we can go back home the quickest way most of the time...:banana:..pero if we want to visit relatives in long beach cali...we occasionally take pal...:)

at isa pa..sanay na man kami sa long lines...any where in the world...e.g....immigration to and from states...etc.......pati pa nga sa groceries ..mey long lines...:lol:

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mwg12a

March 17th, 2010, 04:18 PM

^^ errrr.... parang ang layo na ng pinagsasabi mo...

i do see your point.. if you don't find me credible it's ok.
but that was my truthful, fair and unbiased opinion..
if you do not believe that we were stucked in the parking lot of the airport for more than 1 hour.. it's ok.. (considering it was midnight)

and oh.. FYI -- i don't have any complains with NAIA terminal 2. i find it excellent!

Tungek, hindi lang ikaw na ang sinabi ko sa response ko kay pi_malejanna, in general na.

Nabanggit mo rin kase ang traffic sa kalye sa unang statement ko kaya pinansin ko din yon.

Gaano ka ba katagal bago bumalik ng pinas? Bakit ba kase surprised ka pa sa T1? Alam na naman natin kase na luma at ngayon, may ilang remodelling na ginagawa.

Ang reklamo ko lang sa T1, talagang luma na at kailangan ng upgrading but as far as the terminal is concern, maraming terminals dito sa US na luma na din. Usually pag pumpunta ako sa pinas NWA din ang nasasakyan ko dahil mura nga at lagi akong maramins skymiles, laging may kasabay gaya ng Asianna kaya punong puno, pero tignan mo yuong posted pics ni Kintoy sa JFK airport, talaga naman laging puno pag peak hours ano pa ba ang maexpect natin, total chaos dahil sa dami ng tao, tulad sa DTW or SFO airport na mahaba din ang linya at ang tagal bago makalampas sa immigration.

i totally agree with you...my wife and i happen to like terminal 1 cuz that's how we can go back home the quickest way most of the time...:banana:..pero if we want to visit relatives in long beach cali...we occasionally take pal...:)

at isa pa..sanay na man kami sa long lines...any where in the world...e.g....immigration to and from states...etc.......pati pa nga sa groceries ..mey long lines...:lol:

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This is true, my worst experience all the time is SFO airport whenever that's the point of entry into the US. The long cue is just horrendous and especially if there is that one older filipina-american immigration officer who favors caucasians than asians because she would always let all the pootie in first and ushers them out to get through faster.

I like going through T1 as well because it has always been real quick for me. That was the only thing there, everything looks older and I admit, I see a couple of areas that are delapidated already like the money changing area in the arrival section. but as far as everything in general it's just okay, far for being outstanding, but it's not really as aweful looking.

epik ll ian

March 18th, 2010, 03:14 AM

The problem with Filipinos is that we, in the words of Antipinoy.com, are "onion-skinned crybabies". We complain to high heaven when foreigners look at us the wrong way, but then we criticize them as well. We love pulling other people down. It's sickening, actually.

NAIA-1 as an old, decrepit airport terminal is apt. However, there are also some unique experiences attached with it. For example, you will not see a 747 any closer than if you were to do so in Manila. It is not a trashbin, but it certainly isn't paradise either.

We need to learn to be more receptive to criticism. :ohno:

Amen.
Guys get over it. NAIA1 isn't perfect (it "gets the job done" ... I'll give it that), so if you hear criticism from other people just accept it. You whining about criticism isn't going to change their opinion or make the situation better. Criticism helps us more than anything, because if you haven't noticed we have a lot we need to improve on. If somebody criticizes the way how I look for example, I appreciate it, because I don't want to take myself out in public looking like a complete fool. Same goes with our infrastructure projects. It's annoying watching people crying and acting unnecessarily defensive when they could be using their time wisely accepting the truth and thinking of ways to fix the situation.

On the bright side, I have seen pics of NAIA2 and NAIA3, and based off what I've heard and seen in pictures, they do look like terminals we can greet international travelers with pride. At least we have these two terminals. T1 is like the ugly sibling standing in the shadow of T2 and T3 haha. I'm just waiting for T3 to finally accept the duties it was made for.

Sure, NAIA1 could beat other terminals. But just because it's better than SOME other terminals doesn't mean we just stop there and wait for it to be put on the world's bottom 10 before we do something.

RonnieR

March 18th, 2010, 05:26 AM

if you do not believe that we were stucked in the parking lot of the airport for more than 1 hour.. it's ok.. (considering it was midnight)

and I honestly respect people.
and i do love NAIA 2 and NAIA 3... that's why i really wished i went with PAL.

and yes you are right.. I DO LOVE TO COMPLAIN!! my apologies..
can't help it, i just hate incompetency.

T1 is terrible I have to admit. But good thing this is not the only terminal NAIA has.

For the old NAIA 1, I don't expect much from this terminal but there is truth to the parking and well wishers area. That structure where there is a mini Jollibee outlet and coffee shop should be demolished or renovated to keep abreast with the modern time.

The parking area is not well lit as well. You can see people loitering in the area.

Kintoy

March 18th, 2010, 08:18 AM

I really hope they wont put a well wishers area in T3 like the one in T1. siguradong papangit ang T3 kung dudumugin na naman ng sangkatutak na sumusundo ng OFW na sakay sa mga jeepney na may karatulang "Katas ng Saudi" etc :lol:

sloanesquare

March 18th, 2010, 09:49 AM

RP aviation faces European blacklist

by Vito Barcelo

The Philippines faces being blacklisted by the European Community over aviation safety issues, according to Alfonso Cusi, director general of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines.

In a draft resolution circulated among the European community, the air safety committee had proposed blacklisting the Philippines because of its failure to resolve aviation safety issues, Cusi said.

But the Europeans have been assured that the Philippine aviation industry meets international safety standards, said Cusi who attended a conference in Brussels convened by the European Community’.

“Our delegation will prove that the Philippine aviation system meets safety standards and that the blacklisting is not necessary,” Cusi said.

Cusi met with European Union Ambassador Alistair MacDonald and informed him of the steps taken to address the safety concerns raised by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

The Philippines will invite the EU Air Safety Committee to conduct its own safety inspection of Philippine airports, Cusi said.

Cusi’s agency will apply with the international aviation regulators for the lifting of the significant safety concern during the ICAO Aviation Safety Conference to be held on March 29-31 in Montreal.

The Federal Aviation Administration assessed the now-defunct Air Transportation Office in July 2007 and raised serious concerns about ATO’s inability to conduct consistent, effective safety oversight.

Kintoy

March 18th, 2010, 04:20 PM

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mwg12a

March 19th, 2010, 02:05 AM

RP aviation faces European blacklist

by Vito Barcelo

The Federal Aviation Administration assessed the now-defunct Air Transportation Office in July 2007 and raised serious concerns about ATO’s inability to conduct consistent, effective safety oversight.

Damn, even the EU is threatening to ban Philippine carriers or PAL to fly into their airports. I guess they are good with the security screening of passengers but the safety issues as far as training of airlines staff down to technical personal down the ramp is not showing a very good credibility. I don't think the aviation in the Philippines per se is below the international standard. I think what the Philippine aviation management (which ever department takes care of this) is lacking is proper documentations. This is something big in the west, everything is always based on tangible proof. Which means even if the Philippine carriers are doing it's maintenance and training, if these are not put in a proper documentation or is lacking. When all the FAA inspectors pay their yearly visits that's the very first thing they look at, the written records of all the training and continuing education for pilots, flight attendants and aircraft maintenance personnel. I don't think there is a department in the Philippines or in MIAA itself that handle something especifically for these. Quality assurance on airline safety. It should be a separate department or a branch of MIAA so that yearly safety training records are ensured so when it comes to a surprise visit like these MIAA official got their asses covered.

hybridace101

March 19th, 2010, 03:23 AM

Damn, even the EU is threatening to ban Philippine carriers or PAL to fly into their airports. I guess they are good with the security screening of passengers but the safety issues as far as training of airlines staff down to technical personal down the ramp is not showing a very good credibility. I don't think the aviation in the Philippines per se is below the international standard. I think what the Philippine aviation management (which ever department takes care of this) is lacking is proper documentations. This is something big in the west, everything is always based on tangible proof. Which means even if the Philippine carriers are doing it's maintenance and training, if these are not put in a proper documentation or is lacking. When all the FAA inspectors pay their yearly visits that's the very first thing they look at, the written records of all the training and continuing education for pilots, flight attendants and aircraft maintenance personnel. I don't think there is a department in the Philippines or in MIAA itself that handle something especifically for these. Quality assurance on airline safety. It should be a separate department or a branch of MIAA so that yearly safety training records are ensured so when it comes to a surprise visit like these MIAA official got their asses covered.

In my former job we have a key motto: "if it's not written, it's not done." It is a big deal and not a mere formality to properly put these things into record and organise them.

Having said that, I am glad Cusi in his early stages appears to be a doer and not a talker. He has put-in a good team of apparently qualified people. But among the things I have yet to hear from him is how the CAAP will properly document the fact that the nation's aviation sector meets safety standards?

Just asking, if the EU blacklists an RP carrier, what is the minimum required period which the carrier will have to stay in that list before requesting they be taken out? And will KL, being the lone carrier serving an EU-MNL route be forced to stop operations to MNL? We can't afford to lose the EU otherwise with more 77Ws coming to PR's doorstep in 2-3 years, that article on PR collapsing will become a reality.

Arvor

March 19th, 2010, 04:58 AM

To my knowledge pal or other Phillipine carriers do not actually fly to Europe , or are there any ? .

kiretoce

March 19th, 2010, 04:58 AM

^^ PR once flew to Europe. These days, they don't.

CDG
FRA
ATH
FCO
AMS
MAD
ZRH
LGW

mwg12a

March 19th, 2010, 09:17 AM

In my former job we have a key motto: "if it's not written, it's not done." It is a big deal and not a mere formality to properly put these things into record and organise them.

Having said that, I am glad Cusi in his early stages appears to be a doer and not a talker. He has put-in a good team of apparently qualified people. But among the things I have yet to hear from him is how the CAAP will properly document the fact that the nation's aviation sector meets safety standards?

Just asking, if the EU blacklists an RP carrier, what is the minimum required period which the carrier will have to stay in that list before requesting they be taken out? And will KL, being the lone carrier serving an EU-MNL route be forced to stop operations to MNL? We can't afford to lose the EU otherwise with more 77Ws coming to PR's doorstep in 2-3 years, that article on PR collapsing will become a reality.

From what I've read in articles before, sometimes last year, that was part of why Phil Aviation was downgraded to Cat 2. It was about the training and recertification of pilots, flight attendants and others. That was just one of the main thing. This is probably why KLM would not be affected if PAL is banned to enter the EU airspace or point of entries. I believe the Philippine carriers have some sort of documentations for all these but the main government branch that oversee and should impose a mandate on safety isues has no enough proof that they have a policy to upkeep the Philippine air carriers to upkeep their standard and to make sure that the airline personnels are getting recertified and retrained to keep up with the international safety standards. It may sounds boring and useless but it does help the industry prove that the level of standard in the Philippine aviation is up to date at all times.

RonnieR

March 19th, 2010, 09:49 AM

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cool.

Sky Harbor

March 20th, 2010, 02:51 AM

^^ PR once flew to Europe. These days, they don't.

CDG
FRA
ATH
FCO
AMS
MAD
ZRH
LGW

PAL stopped serving Gatwick and moved to Heathrow a few months before the bankruptcy fiasco back in 1998.

Just asking, if the EU blacklists an RP carrier, what is the minimum required period which the carrier will have to stay in that list before requesting they be taken out? And will KL, being the lone carrier serving an EU-MNL route be forced to stop operations to MNL? We can't afford to lose the EU otherwise with more 77Ws coming to PR's doorstep in 2-3 years, that article on PR collapsing will become a reality.

I don't think there is a minimum amount of time a carrier needs to stay in the EU blacklist, and KLM does not need to stop MNL operations. Both KL and AF serve many countries in Africa which have carriers on the blacklist, and they're doing so profitably.

hybridace101

March 20th, 2010, 05:45 AM

David-80

March 20th, 2010, 08:50 AM

^^

But when a country's carrier appears on the blacklist, can the carrier (e.g. PR) apply individually or does it have to be the host government or aviation authority of the carrier who has to do it on the carrier's behalf?

The government will have to audit the respective airlines and then submit it to the EU safety audit, then The EU send another team to inspect the airlines and compare it with the government auditing result. If its yes, then the airlines will be delisted from the list.

Cheers

hybridace101

March 20th, 2010, 01:40 PM

Does SQ (or any airline) have check-in kiosks at T1? And if I have "travelling companions," meaning they leave on a flight at 14.10 but I leave on the 16.50 flight - both on SQ, can we check-in at the same desk in MNL's T1? To re-phrase it, if we arrive in MNL at 12.00, will the check-in counters be for both flights or only for the earlier flight? I read SQ's website that check-in generally opens 48 hours before departure but I'm certain that is true for OLCI and SIN but not quite for foreign stations.

ianers_ianized

March 21st, 2010, 01:54 PM

Also, I'm still interested to know if 2 SQ flights leave within 3 hours of each other at MNL, will the check-in counters be open to serve both flights? And does SQ have a self-service kiosk at MNL?

SQ919 and SQ921 - the flights of SQ with close timings opens their counters simultaneously I think 30 or 40 mins before SQ919 closes SQ921 already opens.

Medio OT… Well, I’m not really sure if they allow simultaneous check-ins for 2 separate flights. Like most other airlines, I always thought they only serve the current flight, but I could be wrong. For more accurate info, pls try gettin’ in touch with the local SQ office.

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Only SQ 919 and 921 only opens simultaneously. I used to be a SQ Agent at MIA.

hybridace101

March 21st, 2010, 04:39 PM

^^

I know in SIN and HKG, you can check-in for any SQ and CX flight respectively in any Y counter.

ianers_ianized

March 22nd, 2010, 09:20 AM

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Source: PhilStar/March 21, 2010.

kiretoce

March 26th, 2010, 02:33 AM

FYI....

In y'all are wondering what happened to the recent posts; they were transferred to the AAA (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1058017) thread, where it's more appropriate considering the topic being discussed didn't really involve NAIA.

hybridace101

March 27th, 2010, 03:23 AM

Does SQ have a counter for online check-in (OLCI) at T1? I know EK has its own OLCI counter at MNL but howabout SQ?

Also, I know of some people who are flying from MNL-DPS via SIN. All flights are via SQ. Problem though is that they wanted to use their Silver Kris mileage but it isn't available for all legs so they decided to book the MNL-SIN-MNL and SIN-DPS-SIN flights separately with one of them from redeemed miles and another from revenue tickets. If MNL-SIN and SIN-DPS are flights happening on the same day, will these people be able to check-through at MNL for the next leg going to DPS?

habagatcentral1

March 27th, 2010, 06:26 AM

Early morning, I woke up,
Line line line on check-in,
It's time to travel,
Perfect smile in Pinas's budget carrier and say,
Am I very lucky no hassles right now,
And they say,
Its always hassle,
Its always long till you cry cry cry till they refund their tickets baby...

Hehe! Good thing, I went on without any hassles with my flight last week through Cebu Pacific.

NAIA Terminal 3, early morning
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A new section opened recently...ay may Crocs...:D
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A Space Odyssey? Pwede na rumampa si Lady Gaga dito...:D
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The B&W series
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I thought my car's at the parking lot?! How I wish! Haha! :nuts: :lol:
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CRTs
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Don't be fooling around or else...John Estrada!!!
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The most hassling part in air travel...the final inspection!
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Why do I have other things in my mind whenever I see NAIA's slogan? Sir Merry Krismas ser...:naughty:
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absinthe_888

March 27th, 2010, 09:57 AM

^^ Nice pics :cheers: I like the girl on the right :D

Kanina umaga sa DZMM, featured si Tirso Serrano at chika chika sha about NAIA.

habagatcentral1

March 27th, 2010, 10:08 AM

And off we go to the pre-departure area :D

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Umaga...kelangan pa bang paandarin yan?
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Okay, here's my destination
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Last passengers bound for CGY, please proceed to the gate...
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Almost empty seats
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As it is full here...Hmmm, what's with the seating arrangement?
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Outside
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The logo
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All right. All aboard! Right at the Tarmac!
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Back to coloured
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mucho

March 27th, 2010, 11:52 AM

[QUOTE=habagatcentral1;54119991]And off we go to the pre-departure area :D

As it is full here...Hmmm, what's with the seating arrangement?
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bakit di pa ginawang vertical?

mucho

March 27th, 2010, 12:02 PM

^^ Nice pics :cheers: I like the girl on the right :D

Kanina umaga sa DZMM, featured si Tirso Serrano at chika chika sha about NAIA.

mentioned ba about T3?

pthfndr19

March 27th, 2010, 06:54 PM

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Sky Harbor

March 28th, 2010, 01:45 AM

Does SQ have a counter for online check-in (OLCI) at T1? I know EK has its own OLCI counter at MNL but howabout SQ?

Yes, SQ has two counters dedicated for people who checked in online.

Also, I know of some people who are flying from MNL-DPS via SIN. All flights are via SQ. Problem though is that they wanted to use their Silver Kris mileage but it isn't available for all legs so they decided to book the MNL-SIN-MNL and SIN-DPS-SIN flights separately with one of them from redeemed miles and another from revenue tickets. If MNL-SIN and SIN-DPS are flights happening on the same day, will these people be able to check-through at MNL for the next leg going to DPS?

It depends. If they are not on the same itinerary, you might want to try asking them.

hybridace101

March 28th, 2010, 02:53 AM

^^
Thanks! The problem is the SIN-DPS flight departs only 70 mins after the flight coming from MNL. We are not even sure if the first flight arrives in the same terminal as the departure of the 2nd flight. I hope the staff at SIN can assist the passengers in this.

Sky Harbor

March 28th, 2010, 03:03 AM

^^ SIN-DPS departs at Terminal 2. SQ 919 the other day arrived at Terminal 3. I presume the SkyTrain is fast.

hybridace101

March 28th, 2010, 03:53 AM

^^
You mean SQ917? Actually it is but would you think that if MNL might not be able to help us check-through our separate SQ bookings, can we seek assistance from the staff at SIN?

NOVO ECIJANO

March 28th, 2010, 07:10 AM

^^ Nice pics :cheers: I like the girl on the right :D

Kanina umaga sa DZMM, featured si Tirso Serrano at chika chika sha about NAIA.

yes, she has a nice body too,i saw her in person at NAIA1, maswerte ang boyfriend niya,:)

hybridace101

March 28th, 2010, 01:17 PM

Yes, SQ has two counters dedicated for people who checked in online.

Howabout CX? Is there a special counter for OLCI passengers?

Sky Harbor

March 28th, 2010, 01:27 PM

^^ I'm not sure if CX has online check-in counters.

^^
You mean SQ917? Actually it is but would you think that if MNL might not be able to help us check-through our separate SQ bookings, can we seek assistance from the staff at SIN?

No. I really mean SQ 919. That was the flight I was on.

suri_maw2020

March 28th, 2010, 01:29 PM

Yupe! CX do have special counter for the OLCI besides with the F and J Class counters, First check-in counter near the door going inside for immigration area.

Howabout CX? Is there a special counter for OLCI passengers?

hybridace101

March 28th, 2010, 02:34 PM

^^
No. I really mean SQ 919. That was the flight I was on.

I was thinking the people I knew would have to go to DPS meaning if they take SQ919, they wouldn't make it unless their flight will commence on the next day. But at least SQ has its own counters and glad to know so as CX.

I hope SQ's loads aren't full from MNL. As at my last check yesterday, my flight 3 weeks from now still has open seats.

Sky Harbor

March 28th, 2010, 03:53 PM

^^ The flight I took was full to the brim. When I checked in, I got the last available seat. And worse: it was a middle middle seat. :ohno:

hybridace101

March 28th, 2010, 04:10 PM

Did you use OLCI? If you booked via the internet, it would have been easier to choose your seat as you can manage your booking from there. This is considering they are using a widebody. PR uses A320s but they usually don't get filled-up.

Sky Harbor

March 28th, 2010, 04:50 PM

^^ I did not use online check-in because I believe it depersonalizes the entire check-in process (something which I learned to love when flying Philippine airlines). I will be using online check-in though when I return to Manila so I can secure a good seat beforehand, then I will get a physical boarding pass when I get to SIN.

hybridace101

March 28th, 2010, 04:59 PM

Let's continue this in the AAA thread so our attention doesn't get called. hehe

Dreamtofly

March 29th, 2010, 12:30 AM

naka tatlong page na atang itong singapore online checking issues.

Mahirap ba mag online check-in? ako naman laging naka online check-in kapag nag travel. wala namang problema.

jpdm

March 29th, 2010, 12:55 AM

Terminal 3 up for grabs

BY AMADO P. MACASAET
Malaya Business Insights
March 29, 2010

THE Arroyo administration is thinking of selling the incomplete Terminal III for $600 million. At the same time, Fraport, the German partner of Philippine International Air Transport Corp. (Piatco) is also reportedly selling its stake for a rumored $150 million.

At least one Chinese-Filipino businessman has expressed interest to buy Fraport’s stake but a source said a large universal bank declined to grant him a loan to help finance the purchase.

Terminal III of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport was started during the Ramos administration after the Asian Emerging Dragon Corp. (AEDC) composed of five taipans including Lucio Tan made an unsolicited bid for around $300 or so million.

The unsolicited bid was challenged by Piatco which offered about $350 million as cost of construction.

AEDC wanted to match or improve the challenge but Piatco refused to reveal its terms forcing the taipans to go to court. However, powerful politicians intervened and got the members of the consortium to agree to settle out of court.

Eventually, the government awarded the contract to Piatco which by that time had already convinced Fraport of Germany to be its foreign partner.

However, Piatco amended the contract without the approval of the Investment Coordinating Council of the National Economic Authority. Then NEDA Director General Philip Medalla swears to this day that the ICC never approved what was later described as the "amended and restated concession agreement (ARCA)."

As a result of the unauthorized insertions, the cost trebled to close to $1 billion; yet structural defects were discovered in the construction.

Somebody questioned the ARCA before the Supreme Court which ruled that the contract was void from the very beginning (void ab initio), meaning it did not exist.

Eventually then Solicitor General Alfredo Benipayo allowed the expropriation of the new terminal and paid Piatco P3 billion. At that time, the request for arbitration by Fraport was being discussed in the International Center for Settlement of Investments Disputes (ICSID) of the World Bank.

Fraport had claimed before the arbitration body that the Philippine government violated its investment agreement with Germany. There were charges of extortion attempted during a meeting in Shangri-la Hotel of the board of Fraport.

It was during that meeting where a lawyer then close to the Arroyo administration was accused of openly soliciting a bribe of about $20 million.

At about that time, federal authorities in Germany raided the home of Wilhelm Bender, chairman of Fraport searching for documents that would prove fraud.

It turned out Fraport made an initial public offering in Frankfurt for its $400 million investment in the new

terminal.

The investors "revolted" when they learned that the money was gone but Fraport could not exactly explain where it went. That forced Fraport to file a request for arbitration with ICSID charging extortion.

The charges were dropped. At the same time, the Anti-Money Laundering Council discovered what was supposed to be hidden accounts in Philippine banks of Fraport officials and Mrs. Lilia Cheng.

The council alleged that the source of the deposits were not satisfactorily explained.

That was when the council tried to connect the "missing" investments of Fraport and money laundering.

An assistant solicitor general had documents that tended to show that Fraport could document only less that $50 million dollars as having been spent for the construction of Terminal III.

While he was on his way to his office with his son carrying with him the documents that would have proved his claim, they were both murdered near the Parañaque City Hall.

Hendrik Guingoyon who was trying a case involving Piatco was also murdered outside his home in Cavite. The two murders remain unsolved up to this day.

The ICSID found no such violation and eventually concluded that the money it lost was not to corruption among Philippine government officials.

Despite the loss of the arbitration case, and the discovery of structural defects, Fraport and Piatco are said to be claiming $600 million presumably in just compensation provided by law.

The payment of this compensation is subject to valuation and verification but then Supreme Court Justice Dante Tinga ruled that the payment may be made without requiring either Fraport or Piatco to open their books to determine the correctness of just compensation.

The Anti-Money Laundering Council also launched a search for the deposits of officials of Fraport and Mrs. Lilia Cheng, wife of Cheng Yong who is the patriarch of Piatco.

Still there are talks in Malacañang that President Arroyo might have a mind to part with the airport for $600 million but takers are said to be hard to find.

The new airport terminal, presented by Piatco as world class, is one of the biggest thorns in the neck of President Arroyo.

The suspicion in the private sector is that the President wants to get rid of the scandal-ridden Terminal 3 to deodorize her record by the time she steps down on June 30.

sloanesquare

March 29th, 2010, 01:17 AM

security at naia is getting to be over the top & ridiculous - they now even pat down your head (if you have hair) & make u take off your shoes twice. 1st time they xray it, 2nd time they manually inspect, insert their hands in the shoe & squash/bend the shoes.

kiretoce

March 29th, 2010, 01:21 AM

^^ They should just let people fly naked, that will solve all the security problems (those that are skin deep, at least). :lol:

naughtycalboy

March 29th, 2010, 05:03 AM

^^ They should just let people fly naked, that will solve all the security problems (those that are skin deep, at least). :lol:

:lol::lol:

mwg12a

March 29th, 2010, 10:26 AM

The suspicion in the private sector is that the President wants to get rid of the scandal-ridden Terminal 3 to deodorize her record by the time she steps down on June 30.

Upon seing the heading of this news article. My initial reaction was the same as these. I hope some private firm would grab the offer and simply finish the terminal and operate it the way this airport should operated and even better.

I don't care if Arroyo is in a hurry to clean up her mess before her term expires by covering her ass. Just fix that darn thing already!!

mucho

March 29th, 2010, 11:13 AM

Upon seing the heading of this news article. My initial reaction was the same as these. I hope some private firm would grab the offer and simply finish the terminal and operate it the way this airport should operated and even better.

I don't care if Arroyo is in a hurry to clean up her mess before her term expires by covering her ass. Just fix that darn thing already!!

kasama mo ako diyan mwg12a....sana nga may serious takers

jpdm

March 29th, 2010, 11:18 AM

kalbongdad

March 29th, 2010, 12:13 PM

BULLDOG

March 29th, 2010, 12:36 PM

Naniwala naman kayo.....bakit naman...kelangan nya ng ideodorize...hindi nya kapalpakan ang naia t3....project ito ni ramos na pumalpak kay estrada na sinolve ni gloria.....ituwid natin....at ilagay sa lugar....kung saan ang dapat...kaya lang nabuhay yang naiat3 na yan dahil sa economic sense ng little evil gloria.....gusto nyang kumita ang terminal kesa nabululok at nagiging pabigat na bayarin ng gobyerno....salamat pgma...

I agree....PGMA really do her level best to solve the problem of T3

naughtycalboy

March 29th, 2010, 01:03 PM

kung may $600 million lang ako:lol:

b_two

March 29th, 2010, 01:35 PM

^^^^

sosyo tayo. :lol:

mucho

March 29th, 2010, 02:37 PM

^^^^

sosyo tayo. :lol:

isama niyo ako :)

absinthe_888

March 29th, 2010, 03:58 PM

Parang mali yung 24 Oras kanina. Live reporting sa "Manila Domestic Terminal" pero parang asa Terminal 3 sila.

Mithril Cloud

March 29th, 2010, 04:38 PM

Maybe they thought T3's one big domestic terminal. :lol:

absinthe_888

March 29th, 2010, 04:55 PM

^^ Sosyal na domestic terminal :lol:

Here's a video link (http://www.gmanews.tv/video/57677/boracay-expected-to-crowded-during-holy-week-break) on Manila's Domestic Passenger Terminal 3 :lol:

mucho

March 29th, 2010, 09:05 PM

mucho

March 30th, 2010, 11:30 AM

tanong ko lang po, ang SEAIR po ba sa Old domestic airport pa rin?

Sky Harbor

March 30th, 2010, 11:51 AM

^^ Both SEAIR and Zest use the Domestic Terminal.

mucho

March 30th, 2010, 01:22 PM

^^ Both SEAIR and Zest use the Domestic Terminal.

thanks sky harbor

wino

March 31st, 2010, 08:04 AM

isama niyo ako :)

me four

xxxriainxxx

April 1st, 2010, 03:34 AM

^^ Sosyal na domestic terminal :lol:

Here's a video link (http://www.gmanews.tv/video/57677/boracay-expected-to-crowded-during-holy-week-break) on Manila's Domestic Passenger Terminal 3 :lol:

Fail. HEHE.

security at naia is getting to be over the top & ridiculous - they now even pat down your head (if you have hair) & make u take off your shoes twice. 1st time they xray it, 2nd time they manually inspect, insert their hands in the shoe & squash/bend the shoes.

Okay lang yan, basta safe traveling. Mas mahigpit ang security check sa Israel.

^^ They should just let people fly naked, that will solve all the security problems (those that are skin deep, at least). :lol:

Panalo! :lol::lol:

b_two

April 1st, 2010, 03:55 PM

eto mainit-init pa:

For Immediate Release

Release No. AOC 04-10
April 1, 2010
Contact: Laura Brown or Les Dorr
Phone: (202) 267-3883
FAA Raises Safety Rating for Philippines

WASHINGTON, DC – The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced it is raising the safety rating of the Philippines to Category 1 following a reassessment of that country’s civil aviation authority.

The last time the FAA assessed the Philippine’s civil aviation authority was in 2007. Since then, two audits by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) have shown increasing improvements.

A Category 1 rating means that the civil aviation authority of the Philippines has been assessed by FAA inspectors and has been found to license and oversee air carriers in accordance with ICAO aviation safety standards. The Philippines has been in Category 2 since an FAA assessment in 2007.

As part of the FAA’s International Aviation Safety Assessment (IASA) program, the agency assesses the civil aviation authorities of all countries with air carriers that operate to the United States and makes that information available to the public. The assessments determine whether or not foreign civil aviation authorities are meeting ICAO safety standards, not FAA regulations.

Countries with air carriers that fly to the United States must adhere to the safety standards of ICAO, the United Nations’ technical agency for aviation that establishes international standards and recommended practices for aircraft operations and maintenance.

The FAA, with the cooperation of the host civil aviation authority, assesses countries with airlines that have operating rights to or from the United States or have requested such rights.

Then, i woke up.

:lol::lol::lol:

HAPPY APRIL FOOLS' DAY EVERYONE!!! :cheers:

ken'koi

April 1st, 2010, 04:53 PM

what a stupid report from GMA :ohno:

parang di nasagot ni Mark Salazar ung tanong ni Mel Tiangco. :bash:

mwg12a

April 2nd, 2010, 11:09 PM

Any updates on T1 renovation? Just to break away from a depressing topic about Cat2 , I know it's not that much to be proud of with that renovation but, still, there is something worth seing and checking THEN WE START TO CRITISIZE AND WHINE!!! LMAO

bitoy

April 3rd, 2010, 06:14 AM

mwg12a

April 3rd, 2010, 04:41 PM

^^^^ Hindi ba miembro ka ng bakal boys nuong araw di ba bitoy?? Sabihin mo sa mga ka kosa mo sauli na nila ang bakal ng riles at ILS ng NAIA LMAO

bitoy

April 4th, 2010, 08:24 AM

^^ Tanso boys... :lol:

BUMP natin, wala ng gana ang mga tao about NAIA ... :D

b_two

April 4th, 2010, 10:26 AM

regarding terminal 3, pag may final resolution na regarding sa kaso nito at favorable sa pilipinas sana kasuhan lahat ng may kagagawan ng anomalyang ito. sana iparanas sa kanila ang perwisyong inihatid nila sa bansa natin.

xxxriainxxx

April 5th, 2010, 04:06 AM

^^ Walang renovation until next administration.... ginagamit ang pera.. :lol:

o' well, that sirkulo del mundo rutonda did not help either in getting rid of catII classification.... hehehe :wink2:, inuna pa kasi yun instead of complying with the requirements of FAA..

Para dun sa nag nakaw ng Instrument landing system sa NAIA, paki soli naman... :D

Naglipana ang mga hayop na yan sa Manila. Nung Sabado de Gloria, nadaan ako sa may Quirino Ave. May tatlong katao nagnananakaw ng copperwire sa center island mismo tanghaling tapat. Sayang hindi ko nakunan ng litrato. Ingat na dyan malapit sa Quirino kasi dumilim na ng konti. Sana masagasaan ang mga hayop na yan.

RonnieR

April 5th, 2010, 09:49 AM

Naglipana ang mga hayop na yan sa Manila. Nung Sabado de Gloria, nadaan ako sa may Quirino Ave. May tatlong katao nagnananakaw ng copperwire sa center island mismo tanghaling tapat. Sayang hindi ko nakunan ng litrato. Ingat na dyan malapit sa Quirino kasi dumilim na ng konti. Sana masagasaan ang mga hayop na yan.

grabe, tanghaling tapat! :bash:

RonnieR

April 5th, 2010, 09:51 AM

Problem of NAIA - well wishers' area is not enough. Ayan nagmukhang palengke ang labas ng departure area.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/P1000449.jpg?t=1270453885

Kintoy

April 5th, 2010, 10:57 AM

Airphilexpress at NAIA 3

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314562_2.jpg

Sky Harbor

April 5th, 2010, 11:25 AM

^^ Apparently, the new 2P does not use NAIA-3's jet bridges. I saw RP-C3227 parked at a hardstand while my SEAIR flight was taxiing to the Domestic Terminal.

Kintoy

April 5th, 2010, 11:38 AM

i saw one of their jets attached to a bridge, i think Gate 116 ata

b_two

April 5th, 2010, 01:55 PM

Problem of NAIA - well wishers' area is not enough. Ayan nagmukhang palengke ang labas ng departure area.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/P1000449.jpg?t=1270453885

eh actually di naman jan ang lugar para sa mga susundo, dun sila sa tapat na lounge sa parking area. tsaka sa departure yata yan at di sa arrival. correct me if i'm wrong.

mucho

April 5th, 2010, 01:59 PM

eh actually di naman jan ang lugar para sa mga susundo, dun sila sa tapat na lounge sa parking area. tsaka sa departure yata yan at di sa arrival. correct me if i'm wrong.

tama sabi ni RonnieR departure area nga ito. ito ata yung labas ng POEA/PFW lounge?

Kintoy

April 5th, 2010, 03:26 PM

:lol:

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314560_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314548_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314564_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314551_2.jpg

March 31

Mithril Cloud

April 5th, 2010, 05:40 PM

Looks like they're utilizing the mall space now. Good for extra revenue.

manila_eye

April 5th, 2010, 05:42 PM

^^ ang ganda ng mga shots mo. it looks classy naman eh hindi ko maintindihan at marami pa rin ang mga nagiinarte dito.

xxxriainxxx

April 6th, 2010, 02:00 AM

Problem of NAIA - well wishers' area is not enough. Ayan nagmukhang palengke ang labas ng departure area.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/P1000449.jpg?t=1270453885

Ahem. Sinabi mo pa. Dati nakascreen pa yang sa may arrival area- nagmumukha tuloy na kulungan. Nakakabwisit dyan.

RonnieR

April 6th, 2010, 05:37 AM

tama sabi ni RonnieR departure area nga ito. ito ata yung labas ng POEA/PFW lounge?

eh actually di naman jan ang lugar para sa mga susundo, dun sila sa tapat na lounge sa parking area. tsaka sa departure yata yan at di sa arrival. correct me if i'm wrong.

Yes, departure area yan...

On the arrival, it's worse. Napagiwanan na nang panahon ang lounge area. Nakakalungkot. Lumang building, may mga sari sari store pa, pangit ang parking, mainit.

winztotoy

April 6th, 2010, 05:52 AM

step22

April 6th, 2010, 07:46 AM

^^both syempre pag mas maganda mas nadidisiplina tao.

xavierdude

April 6th, 2010, 08:14 AM

Pansin nyo ba na sa parking lot ng arrival ng terminal-1 daming basura na tinatapon sa sulok-sulok: plastic, paper plate, styro, bote, candy wrapper at kung anu-ano pa... Pero ang parking lot ng terminal-3 malinis.

Why? What is the difference between the two terminals, the building or the people?

mas marami at mas matagal ang naghihintay sa terminal 1?

i guess its with the destinations... hindi naman siguro jeep-jeep ang sasalubong sa iyo kung manggagaling ka lang sa boracay..

sa t1 kasi yun pa rin ang gateway for returning ofw's and balikbayans...

T3 is used by OFW's from SG and HK pero hindi na siguro sinusundo yung mga yon ng jeep-jeep.

absinthe_888

April 6th, 2010, 08:23 AM

^^ Buhangin at puka shells ang pasalubong :nuts:

mucho

April 6th, 2010, 08:47 AM

[QUOTE=Kintoy;54596739]:lol:

i agree at this time :)

Kintoy

April 6th, 2010, 08:55 AM

dapat pag sakay sa jeep na may signboard na "Katas ng Saudi" di na dapat papasukin sa loob ng Terminal :lol:

Mithril Cloud

April 6th, 2010, 09:10 AM

Sky Harbor

April 6th, 2010, 09:21 AM

^^ That's because NAIA-3 has a spacious arrival area inside the terminal building, complete with amenities. :D

Mithril Cloud

April 6th, 2010, 09:35 AM

^^ And to add, you can freely roam inside the terminal, unlike in Terminal 1 where you're restricted to the sari-sari stalls outside the arrival area.

ianers_ianized

April 6th, 2010, 12:48 PM

dami na palang shops sa 3rd floor ng T3.,, kagagaling ko lang kahapon for a visit...

Sky Harbor

April 6th, 2010, 01:25 PM

^^ That's actually the mezzanine. NAIA-3, like NAIA-2, only has two floors.

seven13

April 6th, 2010, 02:45 PM

dami na palang shops sa 3rd floor ng T3.,, kagagaling ko lang kahapon for a visit...

wow, parang bahay lang ng kamag-anak natin a! :D

Siguro tsaka lang ako makakapag T3 if may regional na ang airphilex, no way I'm taking cebpac again (unless super desidido ako umalis :D )

pomperadz@yahoo.com

April 6th, 2010, 08:41 PM

:lol:

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314560_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314548_2.jpg

March 31

nice shots of terminal 3..

my only problem in this terminal ay napakahirap humanap ng taxi..unless kung nagmamadali ako..at sa yellow taxi ako sasakay...na may Php70 patak agad..:lol::lol::lol:

Kintoy

April 6th, 2010, 08:48 PM

^^ tnx. umakyat ka sa taas, dun sa departure area, maraming regular taxi dun, yung mga nagdadala ng pasahero. sa arrival ata di na pumupunta ang mga regular taxi

pi_malejana

April 7th, 2010, 08:58 AM

balita sa GMANews tanggal na daw si Angel Atutubo ah... smuggling daw ng OFW...:ohno::bash:

bitoy

April 7th, 2010, 09:36 AM

balita sa GMANews tanggal na daw si Angel Atutubo ah... smuggling daw ng OFW...:ohno::bash:

:lol: nahuli ba sa akto?

pi_malejana

April 7th, 2010, 09:45 AM

^^ ewan... eto ung article mainit-init pa...:lol:

Airport official in NBN-ZTE mess suspended for human smuggling (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/187873/airport-official-in-nbn-zte-mess-suspended-for-human-smuggling)
04/07/2010 | 03:25 PM

An airport official implicated in the Zhong Xing Telecommunications Equipment-National Broadband Network (ZTE-NBN) controversy was suspended from his post for alleged human smuggling, QTV's Balitanghali said Wednesday.

The Manila International Aiport Authority (MIAA) placed retired Brig. Gen. Angel Atutubo under preventive suspension for reportedly allowing 80 overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) to leave the country. Atutubo used to be the airport authority’s assistant general manager for security and emergency.

Filipino workers were caught onboard eight vehicles and were suspected to be smuggled out of the country to East Timor.

MIAA general manager Melvin Matibag said Atutubo has already been asked to provide an explanation regarding the incident.

"I ordered him to explain within 24 hours why he made an order to allow the entry of those eight vehicles with 70 OFWs to be chartered to East Timor," he said.

But Atutubo told GMA News that he only approved the departure of the eight vehicles and not of the 80 OFWs.

"Hintayin na lang natin ang investigation dahil wala naman kaming inaprubahan [Let's await the investigation because we did not approve anything]," Atutubo said.

The MIAA stressed that Atutubo also violated airport policies when he allowing OFWs to go on the runway — which is usually off limits to outsiders.

Atutubo could eventually face administrative and criminal charges, and ultimately risk losing his post, Matibag said.

Atutubo was the same airport official who was caught on a closed-circuit television (CCTV) camera escorting Senate whistleblower Rodolfo "Jun" Lozada out of the the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) in Pasay City on February 5, 2008.

Lozada was the former president of the state-controlled Philippine Forest Corp. who alleged that the $329.48-million national broadband network project was riddled with bribery and corruption.

Upon returning to Manila from Hong Kong, Atutubo reportedly led Lozada to the NAIA's tarmac and into a vehicle that brought the Senate witness south of Luzon and away from Manila. - Mark D. Merueñas, GMANews.TV

bitoy

April 7th, 2010, 10:07 AM

^^ Si Atutubo yung nag "Cut Throat" sign (katay) na nahuli sa cctv, during the ZTE scandal..., bataan nila Arroyo yan, papag-shoppingin sa abroad siya, until the case disappeared. :lol:

arianespace

April 7th, 2010, 10:35 AM

That is not news to us, or maybe to me since they (he's not acting alone you know) have been doing that ever since he sat on that office. We thought the ZTE scandal would change the atmosphere. But having evaded prosecution for breach of airport protocol and with blessings from the house near the river, smuggling returns 3 months after the Lozada incident. With new airport manager on the loose, he just forgot to toe the line. His mistake.

Somehow, the President's Generals are now being disgraced one by one. What a shame.

Sou-jiro

April 7th, 2010, 02:58 PM

he should be exiled in Basilan we can use him as a bait.

RonnieR

April 8th, 2010, 06:30 AM

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/P1000444.jpg

RonnieR

April 8th, 2010, 06:32 AM

^^ ewan... eto ung article mainit-init pa...:lol:

Airport official in NBN-ZTE mess suspended for human smuggling (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/187873/airport-official-in-nbn-zte-mess-suspended-for-human-smuggling)
04/07/2010 | 03:25 PM

The Manila International Aiport Authority (MIAA) placed retired Brig. Gen. Angel Atutubo under preventive suspension for reportedly allowing 80 overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) to leave the country. Atutubo used to be the airport authority’s assistant general manager for security and emergency.

Filipino workers were caught onboard eight vehicles and were suspected to be smuggled out of the country to East Timor.

MIAA general manager Melvin Matibag said Atutubo has already been asked to provide an explanation regarding the incident.

"I ordered him to explain within 24 hours why he made an order to allow the entry of those eight vehicles with 70 OFWs to be chartered to East Timor," he said.

But Atutubo told GMA News that he only approved the departure of the eight vehicles and not of the 80 OFWs.

The MIAA stressed that Atutubo also violated airport policies when he allowing OFWs to go on the runway — which is usually off limits to outsiders.

Atutubo could eventually face administrative and criminal charges, and ultimately risk losing his post, Matibag said.
- Mark D. Merueñas, GMANews.TV

He should be charged in court. :bash:

naughtycalboy

April 8th, 2010, 10:34 AM

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd350/RonnieR_2008/P1000444.jpg

buti na lang may ganyan na ang NAIA.

brownislander

April 9th, 2010, 05:19 AM

Official ba na LLC ang Terminal 3...Sayang naman.

:lol:

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314560_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314548_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314564_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3314551_2.jpg

March 31

Ph Man

April 9th, 2010, 05:36 AM

Fraulein

April 9th, 2010, 06:37 AM

^^ Dati kasi sa Terminal 3, aside sa Yellow taxi, may MGE taxi pa sa may arrival. Tapos na siguro ang contract kaya wala na. O kaya tinanggal para kumita ang yellow taxi.

hybridace101

April 9th, 2010, 08:21 AM

I will be using T1 in 10 days, my first time to use it in over 3 years. What facilities can I enjoy there at this time? Will I see more LCD screens detailing flight info? Is WiFi pretty good?

hybridace101

April 9th, 2010, 09:14 AM

Yes, SQ has two counters dedicated for people who checked in online.

If you have no luggage to check-in, can you proceed straight to passport control or are you required to have your documents verfied/validated at the check-in counter? From your experience, are the OLCI counters usually more filled-up than the regular Y counters?

Sky Harbor

April 9th, 2010, 09:31 AM

I will be using T1 in 10 days, my first time to use it in over 3 years. What facilities can I enjoy there at this time? Will I see more LCD screens detailing flight info? Is WiFi pretty good?

There are now LCD FIDS displays outside. There are also free Internet counters throughout the terminal. However, there is no Wi-Fi inside, as far as I know.

If you have no luggage to check-in, can you proceed straight to passport control or are you required to have your documents verfied/validated at the check-in counter? From your experience, are the OLCI counters usually more filled-up than the regular Y counters?

The online check-in counters are empty. And if you have no luggage, you can go straight to the gate provided you already have your boarding pass printed out.

Ph Man

April 9th, 2010, 11:50 AM

I will be using T1 in 10 days, my first time to use it in over 3 years. What facilities can I enjoy there at this time? Will I see more LCD screens detailing flight info? Is WiFi pretty good?

Lol. Same here. I haven't been inside T1 in almost 3 years. I'll be seeing it again on Sunday. This time via TG to Delhi with stop in BKK. I might try doing online check-in.

hybridace101

April 9th, 2010, 12:43 PM

pomperadz@yahoo.com

April 9th, 2010, 01:34 PM

^^ tnx. umakyat ka sa taas, dun sa departure area, maraming regular taxi dun, yung mga nagdadala ng pasahero. sa arrival ata di na pumupunta ang mga regular taxi

that's right.
regular taxis are not allowed at the arrival. so if you don't want to take the airport taxi or the airport shuttles, then go upstairs to the arrival floor, exit at one of the doors on your right (if you are facing Newport City). It's pretty easy to get a taxi cab from there. And not everybody knows it.

^^ Dati kasi sa Terminal 3, aside sa Yellow taxi, may MGE taxi pa sa may arrival. Tapos na siguro ang contract kaya wala na. O kaya tinanggal para kumita ang yellow taxi.

tnx..yup meron nga dun sa itaas...but based sa experience ko..since late eve na ang flight ko..dun sa itaas grabi ang pila..tpos madalang na ang taxi na umaakyat..:lol::lol::lol::lol:..and one thing..some taxis namimili pa..typical pinoy nga nman...:lol::lol::lol:

mwg12a

April 9th, 2010, 03:00 PM

From my experience before, I think those taxi cabs on the departure sides are not supposed to pick up passengers there, they can drop off airline passengers only. You have to catch these cabs down pass the ramp on the street( IF YOU CAN) (I only tried it once when I arrived in MNL's T1 with a handcarry and nothing else), I didn't want to go back up the arrival area to get an airport taxi so I ended up walking a few feet away to almost a block and I managed to flag one cab down, it's pure luck maybe. But, I guess if you guys say that these cabdrivers will let you in their vehicle, I should of been patient and persistent enough. It's kinda scary though cuz I am not sure I know my way around except I know I will be going in this or that address or location.

Ph Man

April 9th, 2010, 05:48 PM

it should be scary if you are doing it in T1. some taxis stationed few meters from the terminal have developed a certain system they call 'metered rate' or something like that but they will be charging you in dollars. no meter. and they're gonna show you their fare matrix once you're on the high streets. pasay is like $20 in the matrix. very cunning. i almost got into trouble with the driver. but i was with my whole family. so i behaved a bit.

for T2 and T3, you can always go to the arrival floor, but getting a taxi there at night is not always easy.
taxis are allowed to take passengers but they are not allowed to linger if there's none.

to be safe, i suggest you get the yellow airport taxi.

drivers are generally amicable and polite. some will try to engage you in a conversation. on my recent int'l trip, i needed to have a taxi issued receipt so i took the yellow cab on my way home. i engaged the driver into some discussion on our way. sabi nung driver natutuwa daw siya kasi yung ibang mga pasahero, ayaw daw makipagusap sa kanila, or pag nakipagusap tipid na tipid. he (the driver) feels discriminated (not the exact words). nakapag abroad lang daw yung mga ibang tao ayaw na makipagusap sa mga drivers. hmmm...

jbkayaker12

April 9th, 2010, 08:40 PM

PrettyUgly

April 9th, 2010, 09:52 PM

Is MNL the only major world airport whose website does not actually work? I just find it irritating that our gateway to the rest of the world does not have a running website to give important information to travellers. Nevermind our other national airports.

I've seen their website it was hilarious and embarrassing, Suvarnabhumi, SIN and KUL's websites are much more representable. :ohno::ohno:
We need to catch up with Jakarta, JKT and Ho Chi Minh airport are too modern, ours are too... *ahem* backward. NAIA3's case should ASAP be solved! I'm tired of the NAIA1 scene! If NAIA3 would be open x) i would have the feeling im somewhere in Singapore, Heathrow or Dubai x)

naughtycalboy

April 10th, 2010, 01:59 AM

hybridace101

April 10th, 2010, 02:52 AM

^^
It actually works.

mwg12a

April 10th, 2010, 03:27 AM

^^^^^^What comes around goes around. From what I've heard in the Philippines, taxi drivers choose their passengers basing from their looks. Taxi drivers thinking there is a possibility of getting robbed by people from the lower tier of society making the drivers judge people based on looks and on the other hand they complain when passengers do not engage in small talk thinking they are being judged solely on their chosen trade. What comes around goes around.

It's true, it does happen that way but on that part that you mentioned about cab drivers picking passengers up based on the appearance, I believe it's more on them being too picky as to which route is convinient for them. They knew that you flagged them down because you have "the money" begin with so they would usually choose the ones they think they would have better deal and where they knew the location they are going to would be easier for them to get another passenger they can take to a location not too far from the area where they want to confine themselves. I guess the word I was looking for is that the cab drivers are "confining themselves within their prefered territory and establishments".

On that part you've mentioned that the cab drivers are also fearful of getting robbed is probably true because I have read in some online philippine news about crooks posing as passengers and then rob the poor taxi driver of their day's earning.

. NAIA3's case should ASAP be solved! I'm tired of the NAIA1 scene! If NAIA3 would be open x) i would have the feeling im somewhere in Singapore, Heathrow or Dubai x)

NAIA T3 has been openned already missy incase you didn't know yet. Mostly Domestic LCCs while Cebu Pacific are already operating their asian regional service there in T3. So if you fly with Cebpac going to HK or maybe Singapore, you'd be taking NAIA T3

mwg12a

April 10th, 2010, 03:34 AM

Is MNL the only major world airport whose website does not actually work? I just find it irritating that our gateway to the rest of the world does not have a running website to give important information to travellers. Nevermind our other national airports.

I looked at it today, it seems that NAIA's website is working, I see arrival and Departure informations there for some reason. Try this link.

http://www.manila-airport.net/Arrivals.cfm

It doesn't look organized though because the arrival - departure informations doesn't state the gate, and terminal these airliness are docked or will be docking.

hybridace101

April 10th, 2010, 03:52 AM

^^
That's not the official website. It does not even provide information on individual terminals, facilities and transfer information where applicable.

mwg12a

April 10th, 2010, 03:53 AM

Is it not? Looks like an official one, just not a very organized one..LOL

They did mention something about the 3 terminals, hotels and shuttle services if you would explore it a bit more. You could be not seing what I am seing right now though. but we'll see. I'll try to capture what I can see in their website if I can.

hybridace101

April 10th, 2010, 05:21 AM

mwg12a

April 10th, 2010, 05:30 AM

^^^yeah, no doubt. Funny thing is that there are instances where the cab drivers doesn't have a clue on which terminal they would drop their passengers off. It happened to me before, I hired a cab driver to take me to the airport and he took me to T2 instead of T1 even if I told him I'm going to be in a NWA flight. Good thing it didn't make much difference when I arrived in T1 1 hour 20 mins late when we were supposed to be there 3 hours before your actual flight.

pi_malejana

April 10th, 2010, 07:28 AM

Don't get me wrong, it is more credible than the official website. My worry is that the absence of a working official website can reflect a lot about the MIAA's commitment service to the public who needs to prepare for their trip. They now have to leave it upto either carriers or a 3rd party to disseminate the information for them and it is usually not complete.

no surprise there... many gov't agencies have outdated websites, pnr and dotc for example... it seems they created sites just for the sake of having one..:ohno:

Mithril Cloud

April 10th, 2010, 12:09 PM

DOTC is completely unaware of the benefits and potential of good websites. But that's another story.

For those wondering, here's MIAA/NAIA's website: http://www.miaa.gov.ph/

Dreamtofly

April 10th, 2010, 01:46 PM

Sa mga pinoy dyan sa pinas. pwede nyo ba paki email or puntahan si cusi at mag suggest na mag lagay ng magandang website. ang badoy. ipakita nyo yung website ng ibang airport.

Mithril Cloud

April 10th, 2010, 02:31 PM

DOTC pays peanuts for salaries, which is a big reason why they can't attract good designers.

Snow Black

April 10th, 2010, 02:42 PM

mwg12a

April 10th, 2010, 04:17 PM

Sa mga pinoy dyan sa pinas. pwede nyo ba paki email or puntahan si cusi at mag suggest na mag lagay ng magandang website. ang badoy. ipakita nyo yung website ng ibang airport.

Ang babaw naman ng reason mo para magemail sa isang gov official. Baduy o hindi basta effective, organized at very useful. Pero dahil sa outdated ang sa NAIA, mag agree ako na kailangan ipa-alam sa mga agencies na ito na kailangan ayusin nila ang mga websites na yan.

Askal82

April 10th, 2010, 05:05 PM

Ph Man

April 10th, 2010, 06:15 PM

^^ agree, but airport is not a very likely place for robbers to flag a taxi cab from.

b_two

April 11th, 2010, 07:56 AM

if you are really concerned of your safety and you are willing to shell out P1000+, i suggest you take the airport taxi service. end of discussion.

jbkayaker12

April 11th, 2010, 12:07 PM

Well, people have their own biases everywhere. If you're a cab driver, would you give a ride to a suspicious looking person in a scary place? What if something happens to you like getting robbed at gunpoint or raped? :lol: There are many modus operandi gangs working in groups to commit crime especially in the Philippines.

Being a cab driver is not an easy job because you meet different people all the time. You just don't know what's in store for you and that is the risk they're taking. It doesn't only happen in the Philippines, it happens everywhere.

^^ agree, but airport is not a very likely place for robbers to flag a taxi cab from.

Both of you did not get the message on my post but carry on.

jbkayaker12

April 11th, 2010, 12:11 PM

This not only happened in the php. Over in Singapore, same thing. Taxi drivers not not pick u up if u look 'high risk pax'.

Read my post above ^^^^^.:)

stone_of_help23

April 12th, 2010, 10:03 AM

hello mga kabayan! sa mga nakakaalam po, meron po bang yellow airport taxis sa NAIA terminal 1?

Sky Harbor

April 12th, 2010, 11:09 AM

^^ Yes, there are.

suri_maw2020

April 12th, 2010, 11:52 AM

:) seconded with sky_harbor reply, another info with an initial flag rate of 60-70 pesos also available in Terminal 2 and 3.

hello mga kabayan! sa mga nakakaalam po, meron po bang yellow airport taxis sa NAIA terminal 1?

Kintoy

April 12th, 2010, 11:53 AM

empty check in counters at 3 am
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096572_2.jpg

few shops in mall area
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096564_2.jpg

empty side of mall area
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096570_2.jpg

boarding gates as seen from the mall area
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096569_2.jpg

terminal fee check counters, domestic side
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096574_2.jpg

coffee shops near the boarding gates
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096578_2.jpg

boarding gates
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096575_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096580_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096590_2.jpg

twIco

April 12th, 2010, 02:50 PM

^^ Yes, there are.

How about the Terminal 2?

Are there Yellow Taxi?

Because were planning to go to Manila this May.:)

thescene

April 12th, 2010, 04:02 PM

I'm glad that there are already a lot of restaurants in T3. I just hope we get to see DFS or other shops there soon.

kalbongdad

April 12th, 2010, 05:17 PM

i'm not glad dahil mga cheapy cheapy ang mga restos...na tinayo nila....kagaya ng mga iskwater na naman.....ano ba itong mga pinoy yung maganda na pinapapangit pa.....mga pangit....:lol:

pthfndr19

April 12th, 2010, 06:45 PM

^^cheap ba? gusto mo ba ng mamahalin na mga paninda? yaman mo nman. :lol::lol:

pthfndr19

April 12th, 2010, 06:47 PM

someone already have latest pics of AirphilExpress from their destinations? maybe you can post.. :D

darknyt1

April 12th, 2010, 06:59 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3233727478_fc204bb6c8_b.jpg

NOVO ECIJANO

April 12th, 2010, 08:30 PM

^^
nagbibiro lang si kalbongdad...:)
ok naman, kahit ang Chep Lap Kok may mga cheap area din,illy coffee from Italy mahal iyan, hindi iyan cheap.

sloanesquare

April 13th, 2010, 01:37 AM

San Miguel to buy into Boracay airport

Looks like this may be the solution for T3....Macquarie Investment funds (Australia) has a very profitable portfolio of foreign airports under its ownership..the downside is that the facilities like parking and taxis have become very expensive..but at least the financial needs of the airport are fully funded....if we go this way we should also change the name of the airport...return it to the Filipino people.

MANILA, Philippines - Philippine conglomerate San Miguel Corp. said on Monday it had signed a deal with a group of local businessmen to buy a majority stake in an airport project near the country's leading beach resort.

San Miguel said the deal enabled it to "acquire, initially, a majority interest in Caticlan International Airport Development Corp," which has the right to build and operate the airport nearest to Boracay island, a popular tourist destination.

It did not give the value of the deal.

The nearly 120-year old brewer has been aggressively diversifying into heavy industry, including power, mining, oil refining and telecommunications.

Last month, it said it was looking to invest in another airport terminal and bullet train to fuel faster profit growth in the future.

The company also said it was in talks to acquire more coal mines to support its coal power projects.

San Miguel's A-shares, open exclusively to Filipinos, gained 0.7% in light trade on Monday while its B-shares, open to all, were flat, lagging a 1% rise in the main index.
as of 04/12/2010 7:18 PM

Sky Harbor

April 13th, 2010, 01:37 AM

How about the Terminal 2?

Are there Yellow Taxi?

Because were planning to go to Manila this May.:)

All NAIA terminals, including the Domestic Terminal, have yellow taxis. Although if I fly PAL, I prefer to commute to save money. There is a bus stop beside the South Wing.

absinthe_888

April 13th, 2010, 02:36 AM

JEFFjr_25

April 13th, 2010, 03:09 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3233727478_fc204bb6c8_b.jpg

Looking from above, maganda talaga ang structural design ng T1. If only nilakihan pa yan, it could've served even with today's air passenger demands. :)

b_two

April 13th, 2010, 07:18 AM

^^^^

last time i also went by bus to terminal 1. menos gastos. hehehe.

Crazy4Airplanes

April 13th, 2010, 07:28 AM

^^
nagbibiro lang si kalbongdad...:)
ok naman, kahit ang Chep Lap Kok may mga cheap area din,illy coffee from Italy mahal iyan, hindi iyan cheap.

I agree. Mrs. Field's Cafe isn't cheap as well.

Looking at Kintoy's pics, i noticed something about NAIA 3 and it got me thinking. There seems to be a lot of vacant retail spaces left on the Public Mezzanine Level but the retail spaces on the Transit and Pre-Departure Areas are already mostly occupied by the restos and foodshops. Where will they put the Duty Free once the Terminal is fully operational? Hmmmmm...... They can't put it on the Mezzanine level because that area is accessible to everyone including the well-wishers. The Duty Free area has to be in the "Sterile" area.

mygz14

April 13th, 2010, 08:55 AM

I still like Terminal 1's interior. It's elegant, although it's really congested. Let SM renovate it. Hahaha :) Just kidding. But think about it, SM did a good job in renovating their malls.

mucho

April 13th, 2010, 09:02 AM

I agree. Mrs. Field's Cafe isn't cheap as well.

Looking at Kintoy's pics, i noticed something about NAIA 3 and it got me thinking. There seems to be a lot of vacant retail spaces left on the Public Mezzanine Level but the retail spaces on the Transit and Pre-Departure Areas are already mostly occupied by the restos and foodshops. Where will they put the Duty Free once the Terminal is fully operational? Hmmmmm...... They can't put it on the Mezzanine level because that area is accessible to everyone including the well-wishers. The Duty Free area has to be in the "Sterile" area.

Mezzanine is intended for the shopping mall,restos and a view deck, this connects going to the car park building.

mygz14

April 13th, 2010, 09:18 AM

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096580_2.jpg

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P4096590_2.jpg

The Overhead Signage in Terminal 3 looks like RCBC's ATM Machine.

mwg12a

April 13th, 2010, 10:04 AM

why? what do u want for it? something flowery or stripped??LOL

Does everything in a terminal building has to look extra extravagant??LOL

Kintoy

April 13th, 2010, 10:12 AM

NAIA 3's flooring looks like the ones we have in our house. that makes it world-class {sarcasm x100} :lol:

Sky Harbor

April 13th, 2010, 10:32 AM

I agree. Mrs. Field's Cafe isn't cheap as well.

Looking at Kintoy's pics, i noticed something about NAIA 3 and it got me thinking. There seems to be a lot of vacant retail spaces left on the Public Mezzanine Level but the retail spaces on the Transit and Pre-Departure Areas are already mostly occupied by the restos and foodshops. Where will they put the Duty Free once the Terminal is fully operational? Hmmmmm...... They can't put it on the Mezzanine level because that area is accessible to everyone including the well-wishers. The Duty Free area has to be in the "Sterile" area.

There are several vacant retail areas in and around the international side of NAIA-3. There are some as well on the domestic side, but they are not as plentiful as on the international side. For the most part, the international side is largely empty retail-wise.

stone_of_help23

April 13th, 2010, 11:26 AM

salamat po sa info Sky_Harbor & suri_maw2020 :okay:

Dreamtofly

April 13th, 2010, 11:47 AM

hey just looking at the pic that kinoty posted, i found ceiling which show some rust or trace of water drip on its. Looks like brown thing close to the ceiling light. Hope that they will take care this terminal cause it is so big and so nice. I actually use it and it is really fantastic.

mwg12a

April 13th, 2010, 03:42 PM

You've got good eyes, you spotted that one little detail right away. Those are cheaper to replace and hopefully, the management is responsible enough to take care of little things like these.

brightblade

April 13th, 2010, 04:28 PM

There are several vacant retail areas in and around the international side of NAIA-3. There are some as well on the domestic side, but they are not as plentiful as on the international side. For the most part, the international side is largely empty retail-wise.

Well according an insider, T3 management has approached big retail concessionaires but non one is willing to set up there because of the legal issues the airport is facing. In fact a mall is built within the airport.

anonymous_filipino

April 13th, 2010, 05:01 PM

We should just wait and see if all the legal issues surrounding NAIA 3 will be resolved under the next admin.

Sky Harbor

April 14th, 2010, 03:08 AM

I remember saying before that NAIA-1 has no Wi-Fi. Well, now it appears that I was dead wrong. The terminal has free Wi-Fi! :banana:

Sadly, only the store area has Wi-Fi. The gate areas do not. :cry:

Skyscraper Noel

April 14th, 2010, 04:50 AM

Sana Mafully operational ang T3 Kasi parang hindi pa tapos yung airport na iyan, marami pang bakante, bakit cebu pacific at other domestic airlines lang sa T3, Paano ang ibang international Carriers forever na lang sa T1?

hybridace101

April 14th, 2010, 05:44 AM

So is it safe to say that the reason T3 isn't fully operational is mostly due to concerns by the lessees about their rights in the property since it is uncertain who actually owns the place as a result of the legal battle?

Askal82

April 14th, 2010, 05:48 AM

^^ agree, but airport is not a very likely place for robbers to flag a taxi cab from.

I thought she/he is talking about cab drivers in general.

mygz14

April 14th, 2010, 06:33 AM

why? what do u want for it? something flowery or stripped??LOL

Does everything in a terminal building has to look extra extravagant??LOL

Hahaha. No. I like it actually. It just reminded me of RCBC's ATM Machine.

b_two

April 14th, 2010, 02:58 PM

hybridace101

April 15th, 2010, 12:16 PM

Are there any cash machines/ATMs inside T1?

RonnieR

April 15th, 2010, 12:20 PM

How about the Terminal 2?

Are there Yellow Taxi?

Because were planning to go to Manila this May.:)

Yes, plenty of yellow taxis in T2 and T3.

Are there any cash machines/ATMs inside T1?

Yes...

Arvor

April 15th, 2010, 06:22 PM

http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/Media/PublicationsArticle/issue26.p44.gif
Frankfurt Airports apron , seems quite clean and well maintained .

I think there was a discussion here recently about Phillipine sensitivities being different namely more sensitive and that criticisms should be less direct ( a la asean way ) , so i think that this could be one of those misunderstandings .

It is true that in other parts of the world things can be a bit more direct and that perhaps some of us "alienated" half Filipino in my case and perhaps other overseas Filipinos might not always be mindful of these differences .

But i think that being more direct should not always be seen as an insult but as constructive criticism , these are not at least i dont think that the guy who posted that comment was making a personal attack on anyone but rather making a general comment about the state of said infrastructure ( at least that's my understanding of the comment ) .

Let's take the ban lists where a few days ago an Indonesian Boeing 737 broke into pieces upon landing , this shows that the lists are founded in their concerns and that instead of bemoaning the ban lists as part of an anti Phillipine conspiracy that we should embrace it as it in the end serves everyones own interests to travel on safe aircraft .

We should try to think about constructive criticism the same way , in that we should always scrutinize and demand the highest standards of our public servants and services for the sake of our own interests , we keep on moaning about NAIA's other deficiencies i dont see why this should be any different .

Ive been to T3 for internal flights and had drinks and breakfast at those coffee shops , i think it was great and the criticism of it was a non issue to be honest , the terminal for me was awesome i felt quite at home no complaints whatsoever .

On the issue of the T1 apron i think that there is something to it in that it seems to be more "filthy" than alot of other airports or even terminals at NAIA , T3's apron for example looks just fine .

It can probably simply be cleaned using chemicals and high water preassure cleaners , of course it does cost money to clean things up and perhaps its a cost NAIA can ill afford , does it really bother aircrafts safe operation or their passengers travel probably not .

Anyway wherever we are im sure in the end we all love the home country no matter what ... .