@Crazy4Airplanes, I'd like to believe that June 21 is a really really good and reachable target (like you said we can use it tomorrow). I don't really think there's any party to poop on. ;)

Progress sometimes takes a little time to take place. I'm sure for the many of us here who are dying to use the new terminal and can't stand the old one, time seems to be standing still, but while I'm not a great believer that it can operate by June, I do believe it will be soon. By soon I'm thinking withing a 2 -3 year time frame which seems like a long time but many ifrastructure projects really seem to take like forever. I still remember the first time I heard about the English Channel Tunnel (perhaps last centuries greatest engineering marvel). It took so long like a decade for the time I heard about it as a child eagerly anticipating this wonderful thing to the actual digging. And then wait another six to eight years more! But in the end it did arrive and now it's presence is so accepted it seems to be part of the landscape and people forget the big brouhaha and buzz and arguments etc about the thing. A little patience and understanding of how our government works will go a long way in tempering disappointment. Remember "a watched kettle does not boil". This actually reminds me of the time we all were waiting for the present terminal (yes the one people call Naia 1)to be put up, it seemed to me to take like forever, and arriving in the original MIA terminal (where the present NAIA terminal 2 is) was like even yuckier, you had to walk down into a puddle when it was raining! But eventually dumating din , same as the chunnel tunnel, and eventually same as terminal 3.

this NAIA 3 caused me frustrations.. :bash: i might as well forget about it; think it never exist and never would exist.. and when it i'll finally open, i'll say "Wow, we have NAIA 3 pala?!!..Ang bongga!!"

but seriously, i wish these crampled things that surround the NAIA 3 issue will be ironed out by whoever is in-charged.. ;)

Here's an article I found online about the airport.

General Santos Airport. Huge airport area. Bigger than Davao. Less flights. They say... white elephant.

Nine years later, still no economic plan for GenSan airport
Allen Estabillo MindaNews 3 March 2005

GENERAL SANTOS CITY -- The lack of an economic plan or feasibility study for the international-standard airport here is reportedly hampering the growth of what was originally envisioned to be among the primary international gateways in Mindanao, the chief of the City Planning and Development Office, said.

Engr. Nael Cruspero said the international-standard airport has remained an alternate international airport based on the Air Transportation Office's (ATO) regulations since it became fully operational about nine years ago.

"The economic plan would have set the direction of the airport's development. So until now, it appears that the government has no real plan to develop the airport," he said.

Cruspero, who raised the matter during a meeting of the executive committee of the Regional Development Council of Southwestern Mindanao (Region 12) early this week, said they requested the ATO several times in the past to come up with an economic plan but to no avail.

He said General Santos Rep. Darlene Antonino-Custodio followed up the matter with the ATO central office but was reportedly told that the formulation of the airport's economic plan is not among its current priorities.

The 600-hectare airport, completed in 1996 through the United States Agency for International Development, is among the biggest and most modern airports in the country.

The ATO said the city's airport is considered as an international-standard airport, equipped with modern navigational aids. Its 3,200-meter x 45-meter runway is capable of handling Airbus 300 and other wide-bodied jets like Boeing 747's.

Nathaniel Nazareno, airport and ATO manager here, said they submitted a proposal last year for the conduct of a feasibility study or economic plan for the airport but their agency has yet to raise the P10 million budget.

He said that based on their proposal, the economic plan, which would involve a comprehensive development planning on a long term basis, could be completed in one year.

"We can do that but we don't have the financial capacity right now. To come up with an economic plan, we need to hire technical and economic specialists," Nazareno told MindaNews in a phone interview.

Still, despite the lack of an economic plan, Nazareno pointed out that the airport has been experiencing steady a growth "relative to the area's economic development."

"In fact, its classification as an alternate international airport to the Davao International Airport may not matter much since we actually have the same charges with Davao in terms of take-off, concession and terminal fees," he said.

Nazareno said the absence of an economic plan for the airport may be "substituted temporarily" by the city or the region's economic masterplan.

He pointed out that the area's development, especially on trade and tourism, would dictate the growth of the airport in terms of cargo and passenger traffic.

Nazareno cited the short-lived General Santos-Manado (North Sulawesi, Indonesia) flights last year of the Merpati Airlines which eventually closed down due to low passenger traffic.

"It will be a chain reaction. If the area's trade and tourism development would boom, we can easily add flights or request coverage from various airlines," he said.
With the closure of the Manado-GenSan flights last year, the city's airport now only serves two commercial flights daily to Cebu and Manila via Philippine Airlines and Air Philippines, Nazareno said.

Early this month, Nazareno said a new regional airline was exploring the possibility of servicing the General Santos City-Iloilo City route.
He said executives of South Phoenix Airways were interested in opening that route possibly within the year.

“Executives of that airline company see an opportunity because at present no other airlines service the air route between the cities of General Santos and Iloilo,” Nazareno said.

Don't get me wrong renell. Im all for opening the terminal on June 21. Hell, id probably be the happiest man on earth if it opens this june. However, i feel that the government is still not doing everything in their capacity. if they really want to open it this june, then they should work their asses off you know. June 21 is just 108 days away. Which gives them roughly 4 months. Not to mention that they have to finish everything a few weeks before june 21 for dry runs, soft opening, final inspection and stuff. The airlines will have to set up offices and lounges. This takes quite some time because they still have to request for the money that they need, shop for the materials, and the building process itself which would take a lot of time. And also, theyll have to network their computers to their servers which would take weeks to accomplish because it also needs to be tested for falacies and errors. I just feel that June 21 is not a viable target date anymore. But if they will be able to meet that deadline, then good for them.

I was poking around the internet and i found this.

www.jakesassociates.com/pdf/Airport_Experience.pdf

Manila International Airport (NinoyAquino)
13 million(currently)
The Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) is considering the implementation of an innovative and cost efficient transit link system between the new International and Domestic Terminals and also an additional link between thenew terminals and the existing terminal, which will be redeveloped for cargoand/or other uses. The People Mover links will eventually be connected with theManila LRT extension.The Manila International Airport Authority requested Jakes Associates, Inc. (as the strategic advisor to the Presidential Committee on Major Transportation and Infrastructure projects in the Philippines) to perform an initial feasibilityassessment for the proposed transit link

I hope this will actually happen! i would love to ride on something like this
http://www.dynamicpowertech.com/_images/GIF/people_mover.gif

Don't get me wrong renell. Im all for opening the terminal on June 21. Hell, id probably be the happiest man on earth if it opens this june. However, i feel that the government is still not doing everything in their capacity. if they really want to open it this june, then they should work their asses off you know. June 21 is just 108 days away. Which gives them roughly 4 months. Not to mention that they have to finish everything a few weeks before june 21 for dry runs, soft opening, final inspection and stuff. The airlines will have to set up offices and lounges. This takes quite some time because they still have to request for the money that they need, shop for the materials, and the building process itself which would take a lot of time. And also, theyll have to network their computers to their servers which would take weeks to accomplish because it also needs to be tested for falacies and errors. I just feel that June 21 is not a viable target date anymore. But if they will be able to meet that deadline, then good for them.

I see where you're heading. I feel something the same. Not much to add, unless I want to be repeating what an aviation expert has said, which I don't need to:D

@bustero, I've read that even Napoleon had plans for the Chunnel hehehe

@ewh1, wow that's cool, I've heard of the monorail system to link all the NAIA terminals, but that's the first photo I've seen it.

Oops.. im sorry.. i was just using that photo as a Example! hehe.. but the trains should look similar to that.. People Movers are about The size like that train i posted.

oh right:D

I remember Chicago's look something like that. McCarran's too.

our expats last Thursday night were discussing about the opening of NAIA T3. unfortunately, I can't fully understand their dicussion because they are speaking in Mandarin and Nihon-go. I can see on their faces that they are quite excited to use it. But I think one of them said once it's opened, it will cause horrible traffic :?:

Isn't that where NAIA Expressway is supposed to step in? Speaking of that how has that expressway gone?

^ wala... construction is very slow. i think theyre stil on the process of putting the columns, but everything is going on very very slowly...(parang pagong ok??)

"A Bitter Exit From a Philippines Airport"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A Bitter Exit From a Philippines Airport
By MARK LANDLER
The New York (NY) Times


FRANKFURT, — When Wilhelm Bender flew out of Manila last month after a
fruitless week of negotiations, he felt he had no other choice. A few days
later, Mr. Bender's company, Fraport A.G., said it would write off its
entire investment in the Philippines.

Mr. Bender needed only to gaze across the tarmac at Manila's ramshackle
airport to see the concrete evidence of his torment: a gleaming new
passenger terminal, standing idle and unused in the tropical haze.

Fraport, a German company that operates the Frankfurt airport, one of the
world's busiest, built the new terminal in Manila along with a Philippine
partner. Today, it closed the books on the venture, taking a $318 million
charge that wiped out its profits and left it with a $132 million net loss
for 2002.

"It's a terrible personal experience to have to write down so much money,"
Mr. Bender said in an interview. "But we have learned our lesson. We are
more cautious in looking at the political stability of a country."

As cautionary tales go, Fraport's misadventure in Manila has all the
elements: a confident, well-financed Western investor; a little-known local
partner with political connections; and a revolving-door regime, with
officials who thought little of meddling with, or even annulling, a
contract.

Fraport is still trying to recoup its investment. It has filed an
arbitration claim against the Philippine government with the World Bank. The
Supreme Court in Manila is reviewing the government's decision to cancel the
1999 contract with Fraport to build and operate the terminal.

"We are fighting for every cent," said Mr. Bender, who is the chairman of
the company's executive board. "We're not giving the government in Manila
the terminal as a wonderful gift."

But Fraport is already shifting its sights from ambitious forays overseas to
more prudent investments at home. It is planning a major expansion of the
Frankfurt airport, ranked second in Europe after Heathrow in London. And it
is benefiting from a surge in traffic at Hahn, a converted military air base
in southwestern Germany now served by the Irish discount airline Ryanair.

Fraport, which went public in 2001, also operates airports in the German
cities of Hannover and Saarbrücken, as well as Antalya, Turkey, and Lima,
Peru. It had sales of nearly $2 billion last year.

"There was a time a few years ago when they wanted to be the No. 1 hub
operator around the world," said Andrew Light, an airline analyst at Salomon
Smith Barney in London. "The problem with building airports is that you have
to pay a premium. There are no economies of scale."

Fraport learned this the hard way as it poured money — $384 million in
equity and loans — into a sprawling edifice with a saw-toothed roof known as
Terminal 3 at Ninoy Aquino International Airport. It was due to open by
2003, which the Philippines has declared as the year of tourism.

Part of the problem, people involved in the deal said, is that the
Philippines International Air Terminal Company, as the joint venture that
built the terminal is known, is chronically short of capital. The Cheng
family, with 60 percent of the venture, is one of the smaller and less
prominent of the ethnic-Chinese trading families that play a central role in
the Philippine economy.

Moreover, the contract awarded to the venture by President Fidel Ramos had
provisions that have been disputed by the current president, Gloria
Macapagal Arroyo. The deal gave the partners exclusive rights to run
duty-free shops in the new terminal, and mandated that all airlines serving
the airport move to the new terminal even though its fees would be higher
than the old ones.

As power changed hands in the Philippines, the contract was amended,
swelling its size and scope. But officials of the current government say
that some of the money was siphoned off as bribes to officials in the
administration of Joseph Estrada, who succeeded Mr. Ramos.

Mr. Estrada was disgraced and driven from power in a popular uprising in
2001 and was succeeded by Mrs. Arroyo, who has made fighting corruption her
hallmark. The airport contract came under immediate scrutiny, with the
government demanding 28 changes. Then, last November, Fraport was told the
agreement was null and void.

"We think they knew full well that the contract they entered into was
flawed," said Rigoberto D. Tiglao, the chief of staff to President Arroyo.
"The contract was fraught with anomalies."

Mr. Bender insisted that Fraport had negotiated in good faith, and that the
disputed provisions, including the duty-free rights and the higher departure
fees, were necessary to finance the project.

"If you are investing in a foreign country, you need the comfort and safety
that a contract signed by one government will be valid for other
governments, too," he said. "That was really a surprise to us."

Now, Mr. Bender is trying to extract reasonable compensation. He said an
outside study found the terminal was worth at least $350 million, the bulk
of it put up by Fraport. Mr. Tiglao said no settlement could be made before
the Supreme Court rules, adding, "the valuation of everything that went into
the airport is not clear." Until the court decides, the terminal cannot
open.

When Mr. Bender visited the Philippines recently to try to work out a
settlement, he got no satisfaction. President Arroyo, who has pledged to
compensate Fraport for its "legitimate investment," did not even meet with
him, delegating the matter to her transportation minister.

For Mr. Bender, the whole experience symbolizes why German and other foreign
investors should steer clear of the Philippines. The dispute has even tinged
diplomatic relations between the countries, after the German government
lobbied unsuccessfully for Fraport.

Philippine businesspeople concede that the dispute could give the country a
black eye. "Any time you have a highly visible project, it's a problem,"
said Guillermo M. Luz, executive director of the Makati Business Club.
Foreign direct investment in the Philippines sagged last year, not least
because of concerns about corruption and cronyism.

Still, some Filipinos argue this is not a black-and-white story of a Western
investor being bilked in the murky East. "The Germans have a right to
complain, but they went into this with their eyes open," said Sheila
Coronel, executive director of the Philippine Center for Investigative
Journalism. "They were playing the game."

http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/jpg01103.jpg

"A Bitter Exit From a Philippines Airport"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A Bitter Exit From a Philippines Airport
By MARK LANDLER
The New York (NY) Times


FRANKFURT, — When Wilhelm Bender flew out of Manila last month after a
fruitless week of negotiations, he felt he had no other choice. A few days
later, Mr. Bender's company, Fraport A.G., said it would write off its
entire investment in the Philippines.

Mr. Bender needed only to gaze across the tarmac at Manila's ramshackle
airport to see the concrete evidence of his torment: a gleaming new
passenger terminal, standing idle and unused in the tropical haze.

Fraport, a German company that operates the Frankfurt airport, one of the
world's busiest, built the new terminal in Manila along with a Philippine
partner. Today, it closed the books on the venture, taking a $318 million
charge that wiped out its profits and left it with a $132 million net loss
for 2002.

"It's a terrible personal experience to have to write down so much money,"
Mr. Bender said in an interview. "But we have learned our lesson. We are
more cautious in looking at the political stability of a country."

As cautionary tales go, Fraport's misadventure in Manila has all the
elements: a confident, well-financed Western investor; a little-known local
partner with political connections; and a revolving-door regime, with
officials who thought little of meddling with, or even annulling, a
contract.

Fraport is still trying to recoup its investment. It has filed an
arbitration claim against the Philippine government with the World Bank. The
Supreme Court in Manila is reviewing the government's decision to cancel the
1999 contract with Fraport to build and operate the terminal.

"We are fighting for every cent," said Mr. Bender, who is the chairman of
the company's executive board. "We're not giving the government in Manila
the terminal as a wonderful gift."

But Fraport is already shifting its sights from ambitious forays overseas to
more prudent investments at home. It is planning a major expansion of the
Frankfurt airport, ranked second in Europe after Heathrow in London. And it
is benefiting from a surge in traffic at Hahn, a converted military air base
in southwestern Germany now served by the Irish discount airline Ryanair.

Fraport, which went public in 2001, also operates airports in the German
cities of Hannover and Saarbrücken, as well as Antalya, Turkey, and Lima,
Peru. It had sales of nearly $2 billion last year.

"There was a time a few years ago when they wanted to be the No. 1 hub
operator around the world," said Andrew Light, an airline analyst at Salomon
Smith Barney in London. "The problem with building airports is that you have
to pay a premium. There are no economies of scale."

Fraport learned this the hard way as it poured money — $384 million in
equity and loans — into a sprawling edifice with a saw-toothed roof known as
Terminal 3 at Ninoy Aquino International Airport. It was due to open by
2003, which the Philippines has declared as the year of tourism.

Part of the problem, people involved in the deal said, is that the
Philippines International Air Terminal Company, as the joint venture that
built the terminal is known, is chronically short of capital. The Cheng
family, with 60 percent of the venture, is one of the smaller and less
prominent of the ethnic-Chinese trading families that play a central role in
the Philippine economy.

Moreover, the contract awarded to the venture by President Fidel Ramos had
provisions that have been disputed by the current president, Gloria
Macapagal Arroyo. The deal gave the partners exclusive rights to run
duty-free shops in the new terminal, and mandated that all airlines serving
the airport move to the new terminal even though its fees would be higher
than the old ones.

As power changed hands in the Philippines, the contract was amended,
swelling its size and scope. But officials of the current government say
that some of the money was siphoned off as bribes to officials in the
administration of Joseph Estrada, who succeeded Mr. Ramos.

Mr. Estrada was disgraced and driven from power in a popular uprising in
2001 and was succeeded by Mrs. Arroyo, who has made fighting corruption her
hallmark. The airport contract came under immediate scrutiny, with the
government demanding 28 changes. Then, last November, Fraport was told the
agreement was null and void.

"We think they knew full well that the contract they entered into was
flawed," said Rigoberto D. Tiglao, the chief of staff to President Arroyo.
"The contract was fraught with anomalies."

Mr. Bender insisted that Fraport had negotiated in good faith, and that the
disputed provisions, including the duty-free rights and the higher departure
fees, were necessary to finance the project.

"If you are investing in a foreign country, you need the comfort and safety
that a contract signed by one government will be valid for other
governments, too," he said. "That was really a surprise to us."

Now, Mr. Bender is trying to extract reasonable compensation. He said an
outside study found the terminal was worth at least $350 million, the bulk
of it put up by Fraport. Mr. Tiglao said no settlement could be made before
the Supreme Court rules, adding, "the valuation of everything that went into
the airport is not clear." Until the court decides, the terminal cannot
open.

When Mr. Bender visited the Philippines recently to try to work out a
settlement, he got no satisfaction. President Arroyo, who has pledged to
compensate Fraport for its "legitimate investment," did not even meet with
him, delegating the matter to her transportation minister.

For Mr. Bender, the whole experience symbolizes why German and other foreign
investors should steer clear of the Philippines. The dispute has even tinged
diplomatic relations between the countries, after the German government
lobbied unsuccessfully for Fraport.

Philippine businesspeople concede that the dispute could give the country a
black eye. "Any time you have a highly visible project, it's a problem,"
said Guillermo M. Luz, executive director of the Makati Business Club.
Foreign direct investment in the Philippines sagged last year, not least
because of concerns about corruption and cronyism.

Still, some Filipinos argue this is not a black-and-white story of a Western
investor being bilked in the murky East. "The Germans have a right to
complain, but they went into this with their eyes open," said Sheila
Coronel, executive director of the Philippine Center for Investigative
Journalism. "They were playing the game."

http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/jpg01103.jpg

The New York Times forgot to mention that Fraport also has scandals in other parts of the world. This is not just a one sided deal gone wrong. The integrity of Fraport is also questionable. Do a google search for Fraport and you will see.

Regarding compensation, well the airport still needs to be audited fully before any amount of compensation can be rewarded.

Jon

I saw some pretty amazing shots of NAIA...

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=428285

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=428291

:eek: wow, NAIA3 remains an amazing sight to see. Of course it'll be better if planes used it and passengers boarded from it. Compare T3 to the old hangar that is now Domestic.

Indeed, incredible pictures especially the T3 one. The taxiway going to the 4 back gates of T3 looks pretty small...seems like only smaller planes could squeeze their way through.:D

And the grass in NAIA looks dead:D

always looks like that I believe, the grass. baka kasi they just hope for rainfall to supply it with water.

We are already on the Episode 3 of this NAIA Terminal 3 thread but the Terminal 3 is not yet open ha ha ha.

*whistles*

Now that is one fine shot of Terminal 3....:D

"But we have learned our lesson. We are
more cautious in looking at the political stability of a country."

oh my gosh... it's more like taking a more cautious look at who you make your damned deals with. they knew full well what they were getting into and the kind of people they were dealing with. but I guess he's right, in a way. they better make sure that the corrupt administrations they get involved with are not booted out so that their shady deals are not given the chance to be uncovered and made right!! damned prick. he says this as if Fraport was perfectly clean throughout the entire thing...

anyways, those are sweet pictures! do you guys know where the NAIA Expressway would go through though?

Hey Folks beware of The New York Times article. They're mostly bias and anti-Philippines.
Let this serve a lesson to any investors to avoid any flawed contract. Fraport knew it is already flawed and monopolistic in nature - "The deal gave the partners exclusive rights to run duty-free shops in the new terminal, and mandated that all airlines serving the airport move to the new terminal even though its fees would be higher than the old ones . Huh, just like they thought they could get away with it with the Brainless Erap behind them. In the end, they are duping the Philippines as well.

The provisions regarding the duty free shop and airlines moving to the NAIA 3 were included in the original TOR. (Just think if you did not have all the airlines move from NAIA 1 then that would mean two terminals needing to be operated when the original (as in from the time of Ramos) stipulated that there be one gateway terminal for the Philippines.)

The article itself does not seem to be biased as it has comments from both sides and even ends with a third party questioning their practices.

And let's not pretend that GMA's government did not negotiate with PIATCO. Scuttlebutt was that the First Gentleman asked for too much money just so that GMA would let a contract which was already signed and agreed to by the government remain.

from the DPWH website:
a) Contract ID : 05000005
b) Name of Project : Proposed NAIA Terminal 2 – Terminal 3 Surface Access Road (Including Drainage System and Installation of Lighting Facilities)
c) Location : NAIA Compound, Parañaque City
d) Brief Description : Asphalting with Drainage System
e) Major items of Work: Road New Construction-Asphalt & Drainage
f) Estimated Project Cost : P100,000,000.00
g) Duration : 120 calendar days
bidding ends March 23rd... so the access road, if started immediately after bidding is awarded, won't be finished until after around July 2005!

Is this not the domestic road (from tramo to old domestic airport to MIA AVe) which was widened with new pipes and lights installed? Looks quite similar.

Is this not the domestic road (from tramo to old domestic airport to MIA AVe) which was widened with new pipes and lights installed? Looks quite similar.


http://www.geocities.com/manila_naia/naiarunway2_heading_13-31.jpg
nope this access road is within the airport complex. The domestic road is outside the airport complex. The access road will be built here..see the photo above.

btw there is a plan for train shuttle linking both terminals right

OMG. that picture of T3 is awesome. Can't we post it here on this thread though? Anyways, guys, if you check out what's happning over at the Airlines thread, it was recently posted there that PAL is seriously considering a purchase of 2 A380s for the resumption of their European routes. Do you guys think that given the situation with Fraport, will PAL be able to fly to Frankfurt again?

OMG. that picture of T3 is awesome. Can't we post it here on this thread though? Anyways, guys, if you check out what's happning over at the Airlines thread, it was recently posted there that PAL is seriously considering a purchase of 2 A380s for the resumption of their European routes. Do you guys think that given the situation with Fraport, will PAL be able to fly to Frankfurt again?

Fraport is a company based in Germany, and not the government of Frankfurt nor the entire Germany. Germany is a country with many access points so If PAL's request for landing rights in Frankfurt be denied there is always the next city or the next country as in the case in Europe.

Jon

Fraport is a company based in Germany, and not the government of Frankfurt nor the entire Germany. Germany is a country with many access points so If PAL's request for landing rights in Frankfurt be denied there is always the next city or the next country as in the case in Europe.

Jon

PAL has nothing to do with FRAPORT/PIATCO/RP issues. They should be given the landing rights in fraport or if not its not PAL's lost after all Frankfurt is not the only major destination in europe.

I see the site but I'm not sure where the road will pass. From what I remember of the airport the perimeter is filled with hangars, all the way along domestic road, unless these will be moved (which is quite a big expense for all that unfrastrucutre). I understand initially it was to be some sort of tunnel but seems like that was scrapped. From teh hangars on that's the tarmac, can you elaborate how it will connect, am curious.

Fraport is actually Lufthansa, and until now lufthansa flies here. In more mature countries, this is just considered business, however bitter their experience, the other board members will not feelings such as this get in the way a very different business proposition altogether,s pecially since PAL basically has nothing to do with the government and the contract cancellation (hahahaha).

Except for that last quote from Sheila Coronel, that New York Times article sounds a lot more like a paid PR piece than an actual article to me.

I see the site but I'm not sure where the road will pass. From what I remember of the airport the perimeter is filled with hangars, all the way along domestic road, unless these will be moved (which is quite a big expense for all that unfrastrucutre). I understand initially it was to be some sort of tunnel but seems like that was scrapped. From teh hangars on that's the tarmac, can you elaborate how it will connect, am curious.

Those hangars are for smaller aircraft like cessna. The access road will be from Manila Domestic Airport Apron to centennial terminal. they will going to build that at the right side of that runway passing thru Nayong Pilipino. I am not sure if the access road will also be a Taxi way for smaller planes like asian spirit and seaair since they will going to use the terminal 2 if the PAL International will move to NAIA 3 and this plane uses the secondary runway for taking off. This plan for access road is the one senator joker arroyo is talking about. If they cannot build the underground monorail maybe in the future they can build a monorail parallel to this access road so that we dont need to use the airport shuttle bus from transferring between the two terminals.

This was the news last January 01, 2005 regarding the access road

THE MANILA International Airport Authority is raising at least P700 million to put up an access road to and a cargo terminal within the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3.

MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi said the facilities, which were necessary to convince more airlines to move to Naia 3, would have to be in place by the first quarter of 2006.

The Arroyo administration said it would open Naia 3 for commercial operations within the first half of 2005. State-run MIAA operates the Naia international and domestic terminals.

Cusi said the agency would use its own funds to build a P200-million access road through the Nayong Pilipino complex. This would facilitate the movement of passengers and cargo from the existing aviation terminals. It should be completed by the middle of 2005.

The cargo terminal component was estimated to cost P500 million. He said MIAA intended to raise funds for this through bank borrowings or by issuing bonds.

Another option, he said, was to tap the private sector to build the cargo terminal under the build-operate-transfer scheme.

"We are starting to make plans to build a modern cargo terminal within Naia 3 to accommodate more volume. We are still crunching the numbers but offhand, it may costs about P500 million," said the MIAA chief in an interview.

Philippine Airlines said the other day that a cargo terminal within Naia 3 might convince it to move all its operations from Naia 2. The flag carrier said the government should also keep aviation fees unchanged.

The new terminal would need the volume of the country's biggest airline to be viable. But it may also raise its fees to recover costs.

PAL operates 32 aircraft for its domestic and international passenger and cargo routes. It has been using the relatively new Naia 2 exclusively to service passengers while all other carriers utilize Naia 1 or the oldest terminal.

PAL's cargo operations is located near Naia 1. While Naia 3 is designed to handle 28 aircraft at any given time and 13 million passengers a year, it has no cargo terminal and building one would take at least 18 months.

"While the cargo terminal is under construction, the airlines could use the access road to move cargo and passengers from the old terminals to Naia 3. They can still use the old cargo warehouse for the meantime," said Cusi.

The airport agency has been evaluating plans to raise the fees and charges following a finance department order to adjust the rates.

Terminal fees may go up to about P800 for overseas trips and to P200 for domestic flights. On top of that, the MIAA is studying proposals to impose a security fee and to start charging anew for the use of trolleys.

Wait so the access road will not allow public and private vehicles to pass through it right, since it is inside the airport premises. So only airport vehicles such as buses can pass through it for passengers to transfer from one terminal to the other? Imo, this is still not the best solution as it is unsafe (accident and terrorism wise). A better option would really be building the access tunnel and monorail.

that is right grey x it will entail a lot of manpower and security risk, access tunnel and monorail is the most efficient, cost effective and safe way to connect both terminals, since pax dont have to get out of the terminal to transfer to another

Wait so the access road will not allow public and private vehicles to pass through it right, since it is inside the airport premises. So only airport vehicles such as buses can pass through it for passengers to transfer from one terminal to the other? Imo, this is still not the best solution as it is unsafe (accident and terrorism wise). A better option would really be building the access tunnel and monorail.

Yes private vehicle is not allowed. I think if they are going to build the underground tunnel right now they will need to close temporarily the secondary runway and some contact gates of NAIA-3 will also be temporary unoperational since they will need to dig under the APRON, Taxiway, secondary runway of NAIA-3. The best thing to do here in my opinon is to buy all the private hangars at the end of secondary runway or moved them between the NAIA terminal 1 and NAIA terminal 2 and demolish all the existing buildings between naia-2 and naia-3 for the relocation of privated hangars since it is where the cargo terminal is located. Tansfer the cargo terminal to the old domestic terminal. Once the end of secondary runway has been cleared up they can build the underground monorail although it will take about 2.5 km from naia-2 to naia-3 i think that will be ok.

Piatco questions MOUs offered by MIAA
By Edu Punay
The Philippine Star 03/08/2005

The Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (Piatco) questioned yesterday the legality of a memorandum of understanding being offered by the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) to concessionaires interested in setting up at the disputed new terminal of the country’s premiere airport.

Piatco legal counsel and spokeswoman Liwayway Vinzons-Chato believes the MOU will be used as a prelude to a memorandum of agreement, which she stressed the government cannot forge until the issue of just compensation for the mothballed terminal is settled in court.

"We have already filed our comment on the issue with the Supreme Court which is handling the case," Chato told The STAR in a phone interview.

Last Jan. 14, the Supreme Court issued a temporary restraining order against a decision made by a Pasay City regional trial court that had ordered the government to pay Piatco $62.3 million as initial "just compensation" for the long-delayed opening of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 (NAIA-3).

The lower court also prohibited the government from exercising "acts of ownership" until the expropriation process is completed.

Chato stressed, however, that the TRO "does not mean that the lower court’s decision has been overruled."

"It only means that both parties have to wait for the high court’s decision," she said.

But with or without the TRO, the Piatco lawyer argued the government clearly is violating the law on expropriation by issuing MOUs.

Under the rules, Chato reiterated the government cannot act as owner of NAIA-3 until it has fully paid just compensation to Piatco as required by the court.

"And issuing this MOU is clearly an act of ownership because the government is assuming that they already own the property despite the pending court cases here and abroad," she said.

But representatives of the Airline Operators Council (AOC) have demanded lease contracts as guarantees that the government’s self-imposed deadline for opening would be met. They also admitted the timeline is too short for them to transfer their facilities to the new terminal by June.

MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi earlier said the MOU would "serve as basis for reservation" for interested airline companies and other concessionaires in anticipation of the new terminal’s June 21 opening this year.

The MIAA originally wanted to issue lease contracts to concessionaires but was advised by the Office of the Solicitor General to issue MOUs instead after Piatco warned that it would sue companies who enter into contracts with the government for the NAIA-3 spaces.

Airlines question MIAA’s higher NAIA-3 fees
By Rainier Allan Ronda
The Philippine Star 03/10/2005

Airline companies operating at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) yesterday questioned the government’s plan to charge them higher rental rates once the long-mothballed Terminal 3 opens.

Felix Cruz, chairman of the Board of Airline Representatives (BAR), said the Manila International Airport Authority’s (MIAA) intention to use similar rates as established by the Philippine International Air Terminals Co., the consortium that built NAIA-3, was unfair in view of the government’s protest against the valuation of Piatco for building the state-of-the-art terminal. The matter is now in court.

Cruz added the MIAA should hold public hearings before implementing any increase in rental fees at NAIA-3.

MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi informed the BAR in a letter last Feb. 5 that they will be charging airlines the higher Piatco-fixed rental rates when they transfer to the NAIA-3 on the target opening date of June 21.

Cruz wrote Cusi back lamenting the new rates in a letter dated Feb. 15. "You mentioned in your letter the MIAA Management has decided to implement at this time the rental rates fixed by Piatco. The Piatco-fixed rates show significant increases from the current rates by as much as 21-38 percent."

"We understand from our previous discussions with Piatco that these rates were formulated on the basis of Piatco’s total project cost, which was reported in the newspapers to have reached $650 million. It is therefore unfair to use the same Piatco Terminal 3 rental rates since the government’s valuation for the just compensation of Terminal 3 is significantly lower than the amount demanded by Piatco," Cruz pointed out.

Cusi refused to comment on the matter, except to say they would review it further. "Let me check on it," Cusi told The STAR by telephone.

The government placed the just compensation for Piatco at around $350 million from an original contract price of $323 million.

The discrepancy between Piatco’s price tag of $650 million for building NAIA-3 and the government’s just compensation price of $350 million for Piatco’s construction of the terminal is the subject of litigation before the courts.

"In addition, all fees and charges of MIAA are published in Administrative Order No. 1 Series of 2000. Since the rates for Terminal 3 are not included in this Administrative Order, it is prudent that the prevailing rates in T1 and T2 be maintained for Terminal 3," Cruz stressed.

"The Supreme Court decision promulgated Dec. 1 2004 stipulates that as an attached agency of the Department of Transportation and Communications, the MIAA is governed by the Administrative Code of 1987, which specifically requires notice and public hearing in the fixing of rates," he said.

Currently, airlines operating at Terminal 1 pay P400, or $7.27 per square meter a month for their offices and counter spaces at the Arrival Level 1. Piatco’s rate for them are set at $10 per square meter a month translating to a 37.6 percent increase.

Airlines currently with office space and counter space at Departure Level 3 at Terminal 1 pay MIAA $9.09 per square meter a month. Under the Piatco rates, they will be charged $12 per square meter a month translating to a 32-percent increase.

Wait so the access road will not allow public and private vehicles to pass through it right, since it is inside the airport premises. So only airport vehicles such as buses can pass through it for passengers to transfer from one terminal to the other? Imo, this is still not the best solution as it is unsafe (accident and terrorism wise). A better option would really be building the access tunnel and monorail.

A longer and more expensive one too, which could lead to some operational problems in NAIA, some of which ncbmandy have mentioned. The whole airport is not completely safe, imo the access road isn't any different.

as i said, i will only read news about NAIA-3 only if it is about the opening.. i dont care about the political bickering and all that crap.. so this is my contribution to this thread.. at least the government is showing some sort of political will.. and we see some method to the madness that is swirling around NAIA-3..

it looks like june 21 is the date to watch...

Palace to push through with NAIA Terminal 3 opening

Posted 03:58pm (Mla time) Mar 10, 2005
By Lira Dalangin-Fernandez
INQ7.net

DESPITE legal issues, the government said it was determined to open the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3 on June 21 then bid it out later to a private consortium, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said in Thursday.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo had said she wanted Terminal 3 opened within six months after the government took possession of the terminal in expropriation proceedings December last year.

The Philippine International Air Terminal Co. (PIATCo) and its German partner Fraport AG have appealed the decision before a local court. The firms have also filed cases before an international body to resolve their dispute with the Philippine government.

The Supreme Court had earlier nullified the contract of PIATCo and Fraport, saying it was flawed.

"Our plan is for the airport to be operated by the government. Then, as it is operating, those who will submit their unsolicited bid will be entertained," Ermita said.

He added that the government plans to operate the terminal for six to 12 months to enhance its value and generate more interest from those who want to participate in the bidding.

Ermita said two to three consortiums have expressed interest in Terminal 3. He also said that in two weeks, the Department of Finance is expecting one of the consortiums to offer its bid. He did not name the company.

Asked how much the government intended to sell Terminal 3, he said: "We're working on a 300-million-dollar budget, but if have an offer much bigger than that, we are sure the government will entertain it."

He said the amount was based on estimates of the Senate blue ribbon committee which investigated the Terminal 3 contract.

Ermita said the Department of Transportation and Communications and the Manila International Airport Authority have been preparing the terminal for its June opening. He added a number of airlines are also ready to transfer to the new terminal.

the passenger has two options, its either dont go outside of the airport complex and use the shuttle bus to transfer to the other terminal OR get out of the terminal building and get a taxi/cab outside and go to the other terminal using the MIA Road.

They should have build first the monorail and tunnel before opening the NAIA 3 because once it is opened there will be no way no construct this under the secondary runway without halting the operation of NAIA 3. The best possible solution for them which is what they are doing right now is to constrcut this not under the secondary runway but perpendicular and parallel to this runway. At the current situation of the airport complex I dont think if the monorail will push thru. The bottom line here is money. Is the government willing to spend millions of pesos for this costly monorail? The philippine gov't has the money but the monorail is not part of its budget. If only the congressman and senate will donate a portion of their pork barrel for the construction of this monorail this will help a lot but they are not patriotic enough to do that.

Lets just hope that this will not going to happen in DMIA.

Palace puts disputed airport terminal up for sale

Malacañan said on Thursday it would accept bids from investors willing to pay more than $300 million to acquire a new airport terminal seized from a consortium led by Germany's Fraport AG.


Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said the government would use the money to compensate the consortium known as Philippine International Air Terminal Co. Inc (PIATCO).


"We are expecting in two weeks, at least, somebody to offer an unsolicited bid to acquire the airport," Ermita told a news conference.


The government seized the terminal at Manila's international airport in December after a two-year deadlock.


Ermita said three investors had expressed interest in the airport, which the government plans to open in June 21. He declined to give details.


The terminal, designed to handle 13 million passengers per year, had been due to open late in 2002, but the Supreme Court invalidated the contract in May that year.


The court ruled that the deal signed by the government of President Joseph Estrada, who was detained on corruption charges after he was removed from power in 2001, was illegal and fraught with irregularities.


Fraport has sought World Bank arbitration to settle the dispute, accusing Philippine officials of accepting massive bribes.


Manila has rejected its request for $425 million in compensation as too high and has threatened to bring criminal charges against the firm for offering bribes and breaking foreign-ownership laws.


PIATCO is seeking $565 million in a separate suit filed with the International Commercial Court in Singapore.

well since the government plans to sell the terminal later on the new owners might share the cost of putting up a monorail linking the two terminals

Gov't to open seized airport terminal in June, seeking buyers
03/10 6:58:20 PM

MANILA (AFP) - A controversial 650 million dollar airport terminal seized last year by the government from its developer, is to open on June 21, a presidential aide said Thursday.

Presidential executive secretary Eduardo Ermita said the government hoped to operate the terminal for at least six months until interested parties submit bids to take over the mothballed building.

"There are still legal things that need to be attended to," he said, adding: "The fact is, however, we are in actual possession of the terminal and preparations by (the airport authority) are ongoing".

The terminal has been mothballed since 2003 when President Gloria Arroyo revoked the developing consortium's "build-operate-transfer" contract with the government on the grounds that certain terms were illegally renegotiated by her deposed predecessor Joseph Estrada in 1998.

One of the consortium's members, Fraport AG of Germany, has been seeking compensation of 465 million dollars for the terminal project and the case is currently under international arbitration.

Meh there's the possibility I may return to the RP this June/July...better see that terminal actually open by then... :wallbash:

for sure ill be there in oct or nov cant wait to see the new t3

I'm also gonna be back in Manila by around early July till end of August. hopefully, if it hasn't opened by June, it'll open before I leave... hehe! I'm pretty confident though that, as long as they figure out how to operate the numerous machines and equipment required to put the terminal into operation, it can be opened up by June 21 - even with initially only a small number of airlines.

I wonder who those consortiums are. could the AEDC (the company formed by a number of tycoons that banded together a couple years back to bid for the construction of T3) still be interested? luckily an experienced group specialized in airport operation and management will be hired by the future owners. then there are possibilities the NAIA can finally offer services up to par with other new Asian facilities...

http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=30150

Posted 07:20am (Mla time) Mar 11, 2005
Inquirer News Service

MALACAÑANG on Thursday said that up to three investor groups have offered to take the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 off its hands with a minimum asking price of $300 million.
Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita refused to name the interested investors who indicated their interest to Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima.

But Ermita dispelled speculation that this could be part of under-the-table discussions to pass on to a favored group the controversial terminal that the government expropriated in December after it voided the contract of the consortium that built it, Philippine Air Terminals Co. (PIATCo).

"I don't have a handle on those who are interested and it's premature to tell their identities. But there is no backdoor dealing here. When the time comes we will let the public know," Ermita said in a press briefing.

He said the government expected that one of the possible bidders, made up of local and foreign partners, would make an unsolicited offer in the next two weeks.

But the formal bidding would have to wait until after the government opens the facility as scheduled on June 21, Ermita said.

The proceeds from the sale would be used to pay what is owed PIATCo which is demanding at least $450 million in compensation.

The government filed expropriation proceedings against PIATCo last year, depositing P3 billion as initial payment for whatever amount the court-appointed body would determine was just compensation for NAIA 3.

President Macapagal-Arroyo said the government decided to expropriate NAIA 3 after exhausting all means to reach an amicable agreement with PIATCo and its German-based partner Fraport, both of which have filed separate arbitration cases before international bodies.

Ermita said the government has pegged the minimum offer price for NAIA 3 at $300 million, based on the contract price of $323 million.

He said the government had to bring down the offer price to $300 million because PIATCo did not complete some of the facilities called for in the original contract like the $18-million underground tunnel.

When asked if PIATCo or Fraport would be allowed to join the bidding, Ermita said the government had yet to study the issue.

Ermita said the government remained confident it was on track to complete the finishing works on the terminal in time for the scheduled opening three months from now despite reports that some airlines are reluctant to transfer to the terminal because of questions of safety and security.

The President meanwhile is scheduled to visit NAIA 3 for the first time on March 15, said Angel Atutubo, Manila International Airport Authority assistant general manager for security.

if the president will going to visit the terminal we better watch out for the news so that we might have a quick glimpse of the interior of the terminal.

if the president will going to visit the terminal we better watch out for the news so that we might have a quick glimpse of the interior of the terminal.

yeah... hahaha!! this better be included in the cut version of TV Patrol World that they air here. hehe!! :D ahh.. I wish we are subscribed to TFC.

I wonder if PGMA is still pushing through with her plans of departing from T3 on one of her trips in April.

Do you know who edits TV PATROL WORLD here in Vancouver?
Does ABS-CBN edit it for us or does the Canadian sponser do it?

It's really irriating, they show back to back whole stories of Denis Roldan, then they don't show the whole story when it comes to economic news or developments. :bash:

Do you know who edits TV PATROL WORLD here in Vancouver?
Does ABS-CBN edit it for us or does the Canadian sponser do it?

It's really irriating, they show back to back whole stories of Denis Roldan, then they don't show the whole story when it comes to economic news or developments. :bash:

yeah... kakainis nga minsan eh. hehe! I think it's that Leo Dy guy from Manila Int'l Marketing Group. cause he has a bunch of ads before and after the program and then at the end it says "Produced by Leo Dy". I don't think the station that airs it has anything to do with it. I like the RPN-9's Newswatch Now much better, but it's only a weekly wrap up that airs on Sundays. too bad. but yeah, both of them are free, so we can't really do anything bout it...

sorry to the people who have no idea and no care for this... hehe! it is off-topic. sorry...!! :)

yeah off-topic nga. they can be connected by "air".

what iv notice compared to some other asian airports. they invest so much in terminal design. like the new one in bangkok.

I AGREE with what someone posted earlier (sorry to whoever it was! please come fwd if you wish :)) about not caring about any "news" on NAIA 3 unless it's about the opening. Yes. Only if it's anything about a CONFIRMED opening and the opening event itself. I am boycotting their dumb NAIA politics back and forth news.

I believe this is Makati. Nielsen Field. I captured this from Imelda, the movie.
NAIA Terminal -1
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yeah... hahaha!! this better be included in the cut version of TV Patrol World that they air here. hehe!! :D ahh.. I wish we are subscribed to TFC.

I wonder if PGMA is still pushing through with her plans of departing from T3 on one of her trips in April.

if the pres pushes thru with that plan then its a strong indication that the government is bent on opening the terminal in june as scheduled., it is also a strong signal to all , the public, airlines, concessioners and those who have an interest in the terminal that there no turning back in opening the airport structure in june as the government has planned

Airlines to transfer to Naia 3 en-masse
By RECTO MERCENE

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Metro&OID=70044

TODAY Reporter

The headman of the Board of Airline Representatives (BAR) Friday warned the Manila International Airport Authority (Miaa) that all foreign air carriers operating at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal I (Naia I) would transfer only to the Naia 3 en-masse and not through a planned phased-in transfer.

The phased-in plan was announced by airport general manager Alfonso Cusi, who added the brand new terminal would open in June even if not all the airlines decide to transfer.

“We, the BAR members wish to reiterate that the airlines should transfer to Naia 3 together to maximize synergy of traffic flows and increase operating efficiency,” said Bar chairman Felix Cruz.

Cusi is under pressure to inaugurate Naia 3 on June 21, the date that President Arroyo had chosen for the terminal’s opening.

“The BAR’s position is for all airlines to move in and commence operations at Naia 3 at the same time,” said Cruz on the ground that “a split in operations would have huge ramifications on ground handling manpower and equipment requirements for the different ground handlers such as PAGS, Miascor, and others.”

He indicated this was a similar reason in the case of other asian airports that opened in the last 7 years, where they relocated all operations at the same time such as Chep Lap Kok in Hong Kong, Incheon International Airport in South Korea, Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia, and Chubu Centrair International Airport in Nagoya, Japan.

The BAR asked Cusi how he would split operations of the Customs Bureau, Immigration. and Quarantine (CIQ) between the 2 terminals.

CIQ is the triumvirate of government agencies simultaneously present during all inernational flight operations.

Cruz also informed Cusi that splitting airport operations would necessarily divide the operations of aircraft ground handlers.

Piatco lawyer and spokesman Liwayway Vinsons-Chato scored the two congressmen and a cause oriented group that filed a motion for a temprary restraining order at the Pasay City Regional Court to stop payment by government to the consortium that built Naia 3.

“Only despotic tyrants can exercise legalized confiscation of Naia 3,” said Vinzons Chato, adding that “if this government supports the proposal to refuse paying Piatco just compensation, they would have no other excuse but to act as tyrants.”

Reps. Salacnib Baterina of Ilocos Sur and Clavel Martinez of Cebu had filed the intervention case with a motion for TRO to stop the government paying PIATCO $62 million as advance payment for fair compensation.

She also warned that anyone entering the Naia 3 on the strength of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) will be facing several law suits in violation of the existing court orders on terminal 3.

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pretty misleading headline, eh? :D

ok.. i'm a bit retarded.. what does en-masse mean?

All at the same time.

oh im alraedy immune to all these problems haay im jst waiting for naia 3 to open

BID BULLETIN PROJECT:
Detailed Engineering for the Proposed Construction of Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) from Terminal 2 to Terminal 3 Surface Access Road, NAIA Compound, Pasay City

NOTICE is hereby given to all concerned that the above-mentioned Project which was posted in the DPWH-Website and the G-EPS on January 6 to 19, 2005 and published at the Manila Standard Newspaper on January 10 and 17, 2005 will not be pushed through in view of the urgency of the project to be completed before the scheduled opening of NAIA IPT-3 this June 21, 2005 and since the time/duration involved in the procurement of detailed engineering (consultancy) is too long (approximately 169 C.D.) and the same cannot be completed before said date of opening. It is understood that this Office (DPWH-NCR) instead will prepare the construction plan/design in coordination with MIAA. For the information and guidance of all concerned.
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good, they're fast-tracking some of the infrastructure components of naia-3 :okay:

MIAA adopts new traffic scheme
By Recto Mercene TODAY Reporter

Starting Sunday, (March 13) the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) adopted a new traffic flow scheme that makes Andrews Avenue Extension-fronting the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 (NAIA 3)-a one-way traffic in preparation for its opening on June 21.

MIAA Assistant manager for Security and Emergency Services made this announcement, while at the same time informing the media that President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo would be their guest of honor on Tuesday during the airport’s 23rd anniversary. The celebration would be held at the NAIA 3 where the President would make a tour of the facility.

Andrews Avenue starts in Roxas Boulevard and goes all the way to Villamor Air Base (VAB), passing through the intersection of the Manila Domestic Airport Road, on to Tramo Street and ends in Sales street, the street that cuts across the Air force Headquaters and ends in Sales Street, the street that cuts across the Air Force Headquarters and leads north toward Fort Bonifacio. Andrews Avenue extension starts at the former VAB gate, where it forks to the right, while the left fork is called Manlunas Street.

During the NAIA 3 construction, Andrews Avenue was made into a five-lane highway. To emphasize that the street fronting NAIA 3 would be a one-way street, all street signs were erected so that they faced toward the east, visible to drivers coming from Fort Bonifacio or VAB, but not in the opposite direction.

Anticipating heavy traffic when the NAIA 3 is finally opened to the public, the MIAA authorities wanted motorists to be informed in advance that all vehicles coming from Fort Bonifacio toward the new terminal would find an easy one-way street along Andrews Avenue extension until they exit to where the former VAB gate was located.

Here, Andrews Avenue traffic turns into a two-way traffic all the way to, either the Domestic Airport or on to Roxas Boulevard. On the other hand, all vehicles coming from the Domestic Airport, Roxas Boulevard or Tramo Street going to VAB or NAIA 3 would have to use the main Andrews Avenue until it splits into two streets at the entrance to VAB.

Motorists heading toward Fort Bonifacio or NAIA 3 would have to use Manlunas Street, a four-lane, two-way traffic until they encounter Sales Street. Those heading toward Fort Bonifacio would have to execute a left turn, while those going to NAIA would have to turn right.

To further case the expected congestion at both the Domestic airport and NAIA 3, Atutubo said that the intersection between Andrews Avenue and Domestic Airport Road had been made into a rotunda. All vehicles coming from the NAIA 1, or Domestic Airport to Roxas boulevard or Quirino Avenue would have to go around the rotunda toward the left, while those headed toward VAB and NAIA 3 would simply have to turn right to join Andrews Avenue.

Motorists are warned that Manlunas Street is where the Airmen’s Village used to be located, and where shanties also abound. The streets is surrounded by four schools and a public market, so that even in the best of times, this street is usually congested, Atutubo said. However, he added that the MIAA authorities would observe the traffic flow and make corrections along the way until an efficient way is found that would make access to and from NAIA 3 or VAB a pleasant experience.

i don't get it. so if i'm comming from laguna which is where i live and i want to take the south luzon expressway, take the sucat exit, then pass through sucat road, then make my way towards andrews avenue, can't i go back to laguna taking the sales offramp towards the south bound direction of slex?

this is based on the article above and my observations in the area while passing through infront of NAIA-3... I guess its gonna be a mess at Manlunas St.-Andrews Ave. intersection until the NAIA expressway component towards Roxas Blvd/NAIA-2 gets built...

http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10052/normal_naia3-trapik.jpg

larger version: http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10052/naia3-trapik.jpg

wow that's a great diagram there, apiong. great job :okay:

Thanks for the diagram...it is nicely made. It actually looks like its going to work:) I'm just concerned about Manlunas st. which does have slums along it. Thanks for pinpointing where Newport city is also...looks like a very good location (i always thought it was more to the right).

President to inspect mothballed terminal


President Arroyo will inspect for the first time today the mothballed Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3. The inspection is seen as proof of her determination to open the airport in June.

The President has never seen the new terminal since she assumed power in 2001. When the government took over NAIA 3 in December, she declared that it would be opened in six months.

Alfonso Cusi, general manager of the Manila International Airport Authority, meanwhile, said there was no dispute on the terminal rates between the airlines and the agency.

He said they have not come up with the exact rates to be imposed on international airlines that will transfer to the NAIA 3.

Cusi said he just told the airlines that the concession rates would not exceed the rates set by the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (Piatco) when it still operated the terminal.

Under Piatco, airlines were offered $10 to $15 (P550 to P825) per square meter based on the total project cost of $650 million (roughly P35.75 billion).

Excellent work Apion , outstanding!!!

I'm just concerned when Newport city opens up in 3 to 5 years time how the traffic in the area will now be affected by Megaworlds project???

how come i cant see the pic posted by apiong? can somebody repost it. please. =)

how come i cant see the pic posted by apiong? can somebody repost it. please. =)

hmmm... my image hosting seems to be down... uploading to to somewhereselse a bit later...

testing...
http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/41bf23f7z1be737ca/ac75/__sr_/17dc.jpg?phx42NCBi0d.VvCE

I can view it just fine! The second posting of the diagram. :okay:

http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=30687

Posted 05:46am (Mla time) Mar 16, 2005
Inquirer News Service

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PRESIDENT Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo paid her very first visit Tuesday to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3, which the government expropriated in December and has scheduled for opening in June.
The President made a 30-minute ocular inspection of the main sections of the building. She was accompanied by Vice President Noli de Castro, Cabinet secretaries, airport officials and employees, industry partners and members of the diplomatic corps.

Ms Arroyo's petite fuschia-clad figure stood out in the brightly lit and pleasantly cool terminal, a massive state-of-the art facility that the government is determined to make operational by June 21.

The President did not give a speech before the guests who had been invited by the Manila International Airport Authority to join her at the MIAA's 23rd anniversary celebration.

But she went around among the guests, speaking briefly with employees and gamely posing for souvenir pictures.

She also held a 15-minute closed-door meeting with her officials, including Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita, Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza, Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima and MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi.

Mendoza told reporters that he and the other officials had been given "instructions to make sure that this (NAIA 3) is operational by June."

"Of course, she'll be happy only when this is opened," Mendoza said.

He said the government would implement an overnight transfer of the facilities and equipment from NAIA 1 to the new terminal.

He added that there would be a continuous testing of the facilities, particularly the information technology system, to avoid problems when NAIA 3 begins to operate.

Mendoza also said that he would be meeting with the airline companies to thresh out their concerns about the transfer.

The airlines, through the Airline Operators Council, have said they cannot meet the June 21 deadline, particularly because the MIAA has yet to give them their lease contract agreements.

"Hopefully, we can strike a deal," Mendoza said, adding that he hoped Philippine Air Lines would also transfer to NAIA 3 from the Centennial Terminal. Nikko Dizon
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an overnight transfer... now thats more like it! :okay:

If those stupid attention grabber abu sayyaf did not get the attention of Media yesterday the media could have shown us some nice video clips of Gloria's visit to the terminal. :(

I can view it just fine! The second posting of the diagram. :okay:
I can't see it!

If those stupid attention grabber abu sayyaf did not get the attention of Media yesterday the media could have shown us some nice video clips of Gloria's visit to the terminal. :(
It's OK, all that matters is that it will open in JUNE!!! :)

I saw videos of the president walking through the new terminal. It looks really nice. Too bad it was only a few seconds of video, which was spliced within the story about the failed jail break attempt.

guess I'm not gonna be seeing it on the news tonight. oh well...

the diagram currently doesn't work. I hope you can put it back up though. it was taking me forever trying to figure out the rerouting from the text in the articles the other day and I was thinking of asking for help here... haha!! meron na pa la...

On Friday 11.30 pm on IBC 13 local channel there is a show called the working president they might show there the president's visit to the terminal for sure.

On Friday 11.30 pm on IBC 13 local channel there is a show called the working president they might show there the president's visit to the terminal for sure.

ur obssesed with the t3 me 2 :) :)

guess I'm not gonna be seeing it on the news tonight. oh well...

the diagram currently doesn't work. I hope you can put it back up though. it was taking me forever trying to figure out the rerouting from the text in the articles the other day and I was thinking of asking for help here... haha!! meron na pa la...

try to access the image directly at http://photos.yahoo.com/jalenonan

try to access the image directly at http://photos.yahoo.com/jalenonan

ok, I see it now... nice work! thanks!!

I saw a short bit of PGMA at NAIA-T3 on TV Patrol last night... it was when they were reporting PGMA's approval of the PNP's assault on the prison. they just showed her inside the terminal with quite a number of other people. there was a clip at the check-in counters and another one in another part of the terminal. not sure where. T3 is still looking awesome though!! haha! I should've taped it or something... hehehe! the lights were on and I think the air-conditioning should've been working. I wonder if they've gotten everything else to work already...

guys, just wanted to share this about Terminal 1... and the need for speedy opening of Terminal 3...

I went to today to T1.. arrival extension area. You know how bad that area is. I went to pick-up my mom who was arriving from LA... but before that, I had to circle 4 times before I managed to park since they closed the lot for it was full.. wow.

Anyway, As I was going thru the arrivals.. there were so many people. Most of them Taiwanese and Koreans. As in ang dami talaga. Parang super daming tourists. and most of them are in group so malamangg group tours. But the prob is, NAIA1 has no place for group tours sa arrival extension. So guess where they stayed... on the street... In flocks and the buses were on the sides.. Grabe. Kakaawa... all of them wearing hats and fanning themselves... hay

And the relevance with T3 is... does T3 has a group tour waiting area? BKK, SIN, And all others have one... Or at least sana yung Arrival-Main (upper arrivals area) which they sealed off, could have been the group tour area at least.

Thanks guys. As I have said, kawawa talaga mga tourists....

yes it creates a bad impression that why government is bent on opening the t3 this june coz of enourmous effect it will have in our economy

so anyone knows if T3 has group tour areas?

That's so sad and embarrassing! Not a good first impression of Manila, or the Philippines for that matter. :(

They have to come up with a real plan in zoning and scheduling, stuff like that. And then OPEN in June!

i just hope once t-3 is up and running that the philippine gov't will maintain the terminal like a 5 star hotel.

i just hope once t-3 is up and running that the philippine gov't will maintain the terminal like a 5 star hotel.

Funny you should say that. Thats what the airport management is bent on doing. They are trying to hire a management/maintainance company like those in 5 star hotels so they can report on how to improve the terminal, Fix any damaged things in the terminal. and of course.. MAINTAINING THE WASHROOMS!! :D

its just nice to see all this infrastructure going on in the philippines. im from zamboanga city originally, im here in seattle now. but still got plans of going home for good in a few yrs. still need to save a little more $ :) no place like home talaga. i hope that project skycity in ortigas will push thru? it will give the philippines a status of having a 1000 feet building.

just went through T1 arrival baggage claim last Tuesday. It seems they have stripped the old floor on it. Are they planning to replace the floor with marble, tiles, carpet, or something else? Which do you think would be better?

Well I think the marble gave it a different feel, especially in the lobby, it's not the "typical" check-in with the carpet and all, it's not bad, it's localised look:) but in the area around the gates carpet should be used instead of that.... floor with the round bulges:D

THE MIAA SITE UPDATED WITH NEW PICS OF EVERY FRICKING ASPECT OF T3!!!!

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/photo.asp

Thanks for sharing! Those are great pictures :p I'll just wallow into looking at them until it opens :)

When there are things around the facility, I think the terminal would look exceptionally better, because now it looks rather plain.

Sweet...Thanks for the link:) Its about time they made an updated website on T3. The terminal is truly a world-class facility.

It has awesome pics...and pics of never before seen areas.:okay: Too bad there arent any pics of the travelators though.

The supporting pylons in the baggage claim are rather plain though:( And I dont like how some areas have a low ceiling.

I guess that's what you get for hiring SOM... aah postmodernism:D

That check-in is a lot like Changi... except it don't look like carpet and it's yellow counters.
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL2/BAGGAGECLAIM/Photo3.jpg

:cheers: to Solblanc

looks plain right now but wait when it opens and well see a lot of beautiful displays etc

from the about page: "The main terminal building is designed to symbolize Philippine progress."

:lol: so our progress is hampered with corruption, delay and bureaucracy. Sad:no:

HA HA HA. in the main page http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/index.asp they did not even mention PIATCO and Fraport.

Its all PR...they dont want the bad publicity from spreading to the people who dont know:D

I guess that's what you get for hiring SOM... aah postmodernism:D

That check-in is a lot like Changi... except it don't look like carpet and it's yellow counters.
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL2/BAGGAGECLAIM/Photo3.jpg

:cheers: to Solblanc

:D that's not the check-in, though. that's customs. this is the check in:

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL3/DEPARTURECHECKIN/Photo4.jpg

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL3/DEPARTURECHECKIN/Photo3.jpg
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL3/DEPARTURECHECKIN/Photo2.jpg
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL3/DEPARTURECHECKIN/Photo1.jpg

I swear, this accidental discovery made me feel so much better about being caged in the house on a saturday night :D

Btw, I've noticed that all these replies sprung out of nowhere. Its saturday night, people! I have an excuse for being stuck at home! (I'm the taong-bahay) what's yours? :D

My favorite area is the check-in departure hall:okay:

Correct me if i'm wrong. What's wrong with my mathematics.

NAIA is 24 hours airport right?
base on the website T3 has 33,000 passengers peak-day capacity or 6,000 passengers peak-hour capacity (incoming & outgoing) or 4,000 passengers peak-hour capacity (one way)

but my math says:
33,000/24Hrs. = 1375 passengers per hour.

because it says "peak-hour". Some hours will have little passenger traffic while others will have up to 6,000 passengers. 33,000 passengers a day is just an average of 24 hours.

Correct me if i'm wrong. What's wrong with my mathematics.

NAIA is 24 hours airport right?
base on the website T3 has 33,000 passengers peak-day capacity or 6,000 passengers peak-hour capacity (incoming & outgoing) or 4,000 passengers peak-hour capacity (one way)

but my math says:
33,000/24Hrs. = 1375 passengers per hour.

hmm... well, I wouldn't know the answer to that. I'm guessing, though, that the numbers vary because there is a difference between how many passengers a terminal can handle a day, and how many passengers can a terminal handle for an hour. In the case of the hour, that hour refers to peak hours where plane after plane lands. While technically, the terminal can handle all the flights and process 6000 passengers within an hour, doing so for another few hours in succession would be straining. That's especially true of NAIA, where most international flights come and go during the evening/early morning.

Anyways, when I saw this picture, I honestly thought that PAL was going to disfigure T3 to its own ends, but then I realized that this was taken near customs, near the exit.

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL2/BAGGAGECLAIM/Photo1.jpg
(I don't wanna steal any more bandwidth from the MIAA site, especially since their server is ridiculously unreliable :D)

If I am a conspiracy theorist I will think that the government wanted to oust piatco and make fraport overall in charge. I heard in the news that the government will going to make a bidding for the NAIA 3 and it is open for fraport to join the bidding. If fraport win the bidding then there will be a new contract just my wildest guess on the issue.

If I am a conspiracy theorist I will think that the government wanted to oust piatco and make fraport overall in charge. I heard in the news that the government will going to make a bidding for the NAIA 3 and it is open for fraport to join the bidding. If fraport win the bidding then there will be a new contract just my wildest guess on the issue.

another conspiracy theory? who's keeping track anymore? :D

I'm still staring at the site and the pictures. The departure concourse reminds me of Dubai...

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL2/BAGGAGECLAIM/Photo1.jpg
(I don't wanna steal any more bandwidth from the MIAA site, especially since their server is ridiculously unreliable :D)

and why the heck is MIAA's website still using an I.P. address instead of its domain name? :bash:

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/images/LEVEL2/BAGGAGECLAIM/Photo1.jpg

I hope this "domestic sign" leads to Airport shuttle buses goin' to centennial terminal and not to another gates on t3 which all of you wanted to be exclusive for international use only.

oh well they should put up some sort of promotions during the inaugural, first airplane to use the terminal, first pax to arrive , first pax to check in, etc etc etc

I hope this "domestic sign" leads to Airport shuttle buses goin' to centennial terminal and not to another gates on t3 which all of you wanted to be exclusive for international use only.

That's the baggage claim area. It would be awkward to go back to the gates from there :D

thanks for sharing those links and pictures! I can already sleep well tonight... hehehe

cool pics. the floor looks slippery though. lol!!!!! better wear slip resistant shoes when visiting. lolz!!!!!

regarding the domestic flights sign, maybe its pointing towards a transfer desk? :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

THE MIAA SITE UPDATED WITH NEW PICS OF EVERY FRICKING ASPECT OF T3!!!!

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/T3/photo.asp

I'll be back in January 2006 so hopefully it'll be open then. :)

Pearl of the Orient Seas - The Philippines (http://community.webshots.com/user/jbkayaker12)

Jon

What's with all the yellow?

holy shooot...!!! this is sweeeeeeet!! NAIA-3 looks awesome!!! I dunno, but for some reason, the whiteness and greyness of the interiors is making me go crazy.. haha! like in a good way!! I never knew white and grey could look so good...!!!

thanks for putting up the link, Solblanc!!!!

it would be cool if they used that terminal to shoot a movie right now, while its still unoperational.

When T2 opened most movies and soap operas used it but there were background noises and only showed the exterior for the tearfull goodbyes

I want to see a terorisist movie or Grand theft auto like movie using the terminal :)

http://img106.exs.cx/img106/2908/ninoy6iy.th.jpg (http://img106.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img106&image=ninoy6iy.jpg)
http://img106.exs.cx/img106/2908/ninoy6iy.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

wow, very nice. at least we're seeing some improvements here :okay: looking forward to it's immediate opening :) thanks for posting the link.

ty

What's with all the yellow?

When they designed the building they thought of anything that has any significance to the Philippines and the color yellow is part of our flag. :) Actually it blended really nice with the greys and whites. The V shaped structural beams were also designed to mimic an eagle in flight, the Philippine Eagle one of the largest eagles in the world. Look at the logo of the airport :)

Jon

wow.. looks a hell of a lot better than LAX! haahaha

What's with all the yellow?

Yellow EDSA Revolution

The symbolic color "yellow" could be traced to its origin when Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino decided to go home from a long self-exile in the U.S. and the famous song "Tie A Yellow Ribbon". For when he was in the U.S. he thought nobody wanted to join him in his cause of fighting tyranny in his country. Each yellow ribbon would mean, one Pinoy fighting on his side. Pinoys then started by tying all sorts of yellow ribbons and threw all sorts of things yellow everywhere. Until finally it was eventually adapted as the color for opposition to tyrannical rule by a despot.

Eventually this color was also adapted in other revolutions worldwide such as in South Africa, and in Eastern Europe and in other countries.

@solblanc... yeah I knew that;) I just wanted to test out if those links work. The more I look at those check-ins, they look like SOM did some superb copy and paste job from Changi to T3.


@a00556425, :cheers: for the photo. galing.

@solblanc... yeah I knew that;) I just wanted to test out if those links work. The more I look at those check-ins, they look like SOM did some superb copy and paste job from Changi to T3.




I've never seen Changi's check-in hall. I wonder if a wandering Singapore forumer would care to post a pic? (The Singaporean forumers have a weird rapid-reaction force. For some reason, they know at once if they're being talked about :jk: :D)

SOM did quite a bit of copy-pasting. I see traces of DXB in the airport, too, but I think I already mentioned that...

oh my god.. i could die now.. :D nice pics

I've never seen Changi's check-in hall. I wonder if a wandering Singapore forumer would care to post a pic? (The Singaporean forumers have a weird rapid-reaction force. For some reason, they know at once if they're being talked about :jk: :D)

SOM did quite a bit of copy-pasting. I see traces of DXB in the airport, too, but I think I already mentioned that...

haha oh thats SIMPLY because we Singaporean forumers here love to either
1. visit many different regional forums to increase our awareness of the happenings around the world (sounds like such a politically correct answer)
2. visit ANY thread related to aviation/hub/blablabla in all forums because we want to know about anything that could threaten the survival of our airport hub/blablabla status
3. visit ANY thread related to aviation/hub/blablabla because forumers like me have a HUGE interest in things related to aviation and land transportation (rail).

Singapore Changi Airport Terminal 2 Departure Hall Check In Row (Upgrading Works Ongoing, Finishing 2006)
http://img189.exs.cx/img189/4259/dsc024475gq.jpg

haha oh thats SIMPLY because we Singaporean forumers here love to either
1. visit many different regional forums to increase our awareness of the happenings around the world (sounds like such a politically correct answer)
2. visit ANY thread related to aviation/hub/blablabla in all forums because we want to know about anything that could threaten the survival of our airport hub/blablabla status
3. visit ANY thread related to aviation/hub/blablabla because forumers like me have a HUGE interest in things related to aviation and land transportation (rail).

Singapore Changi Airport Terminal 2 Departure Hall Check In Row (Upgrading Works Ongoing, Finishing 2006)
http://img189.exs.cx/img189/4259/dsc024475gq.jpg

1 hr 20 mins. not bad :D seriously, though, when I prowl around the forums, the minute I see the word "Singapore" mentioned by someone other than a Singapore forumer, someone (usually huaiwei) is there to provide the Singaporean point of view, among other things :D
Its not limited to aviation, either. Political threads have a major Singaporean presence, too :D
its a pretty efficient Rapid-reaction force :jk:

that check-in hall is pretty... reminds me of NAIA T1 when it wasn't so crowded :)

1 hr 20 mins. not bad :D seriously, though, when I prowl around the forums, the minute I see the word "Singapore" mentioned by someone other than a Singapore forumer, someone (usually huaiwei) is there to provide the Singaporean point of view, among other things :D
Its not limited to aviation, either. Political threads have a major Singaporean presence, too :D
its a pretty efficient Rapid-reaction force :jk:

that check-in hall is pretty... reminds me of NAIA T1 when it wasn't so crowded :)

Isn't that bad since NAIA T1 is supposedly the shittiest terminal? (I didn't say that)

Oh cause there's always some screwed up aviation hub debate going on between huaiwei and ''some other party'' so he's ever so ready to defend our country etc etc, being a moderator and all and wanting to ensure that no crap is being spread about in the world about our nation, which has suffered enough from bad publicity.

Isn't that bad since NAIA T1 is supposedly the shittiest terminal? (I didn't say that)



NAIA T1, when it was built, was a beautiful terminal designed by the renowned architect and national artist Leandro Locsin (the one who designed the palace of the Sultan of Brunei). Its check-in area was (and still is, to some extent) a grand place. My dad used to work in protocol, so every now and then, I got to stay in the very nice VIP lounges that were beautiful and quiet with adjacent doors that led to a very nice duty-free area.

Of course, the place was pretty, but it was designed for aesthetics, and not functionality. When PAL didn't move to T2 yet, the airport was actually handling twice its capacity. That put a lot of strain on the airports facilities. That, and the place wasn't maintained very well. The place opened when Imelda was still in power, so NAIA was one of the grandest places that you'd see. However, the post-marcos administrations wanted little to do with Imelda's lavishness, so when time came to refurbish NAIA, improvements were spartan, at best. Nineteen years of neglect will do that to any terminal. Its sad, really, and the government now is taking steps to make sure that T3 doesn't suffer the same fate :)

but yeah, right now, T1 is a shithole of sorts :D



Oh cause there's always some screwed up aviation hub debate going on between huaiwei and ''some other party'' so he's ever so ready to defend our country etc etc, being a moderator and all and wanting to ensure that no crap is being spread about in the world about our nation, which has suffered enough from bad publicity.

hey, if you think your country gets bad publicity, what about mine? :D

I'll be back in January 2006 so hopefully it'll be open then. :)

Pearl of the Orient Seas - The Philippines (http://community.webshots.com/user/jbkayaker12)

Jon

When visiting the MIAA website, I had a hard time finding these pics until someone posted a direct link.... I hope MIAA fixes their sites so tourists can see it easily...

And by the looks of the Baggage Claim areas... it seems immigration would be upstairs like that of BKK's Don Muang.

regarding customs.. why do the Nothing to declare aisles still have podium beside them.. meaning bubuklatn pa din ng customs officer yung baggage? :eek2:

and.. no pics of the famous walkalators? awwww

@solblanc... yeah I knew that;) I just wanted to test out if those links work. The more I look at those check-ins, they look like SOM did some superb copy and paste job from Changi to T3.


You could say they copied Changi...but not really because that layout saves space and is visually more attractive. There are other airports in the world that have a similar layout.

yeah, no pics of the walkalators:( i want to see them!:D

True, T1 was one of the most beautiful terminals in the world when it was first opened. It was regarded as the "Changi" of asia during the 80s:D But now, as time passes it is left behind and is indeed shitty.

YES INDEED IT HAS SEEN BETTER DAYS

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/NAIA-T1-DEPT-LOBBY2.jpg

IMO still looks beautiful to me...just maybe change the flooring or something but I love the ceiling! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/NAIA-T1-DEPT-LOBBY2.jpg

IMO still looks beautiful to me...just maybe change the flooring or something but I love the ceiling! :D

It doesn't look bad to me. Sure it ain't like architecturally stunning in terms of being super modern or cool or anything but it doesn't look as shitty as I pictured it from all the comments from forumers.

Singapore Changi Airport Terminal 2 Departure Hall Check In Row (Upgrading Works Ongoing, Finishing 2006)


Here's some pictures I took recently......:yes:

http://img205.exs.cx/img205/2964/pic0142614it.jpg

http://img205.exs.cx/img205/6176/pic0141813hg.jpg

It doesn't look bad to me. Sure it ain't like architecturally stunning in terms of being super modern or cool or anything but it doesn't look as shitty as I pictured it from all the comments from forumers.

Well, the departure check-in hall is the best area of the terminal. If you see the other areas (customs, baggage claim, immigration, toilets) you would think its shitty:D

It doesn't look bad to me. Sure it ain't like architecturally stunning in terms of being super modern or cool or anything but it doesn't look as shitty as I pictured it from all the comments from forumers.

In my opinion the arrivals and departures area is nice.. It was grand in its time. but now it needs a refurbishment.

http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/ARR-LOBBY.jpg http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/ARR-LOBBY2.jpg http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/ARR-LOBBY3.jpg http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/INFORMATION-DEP.jpg http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/DEP-CIC.jpg

The Shitty Areas are these places

The Departure and Arrivals Concourse
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/ARR-CONCOURSE-3.jpg

Immigration and Terminal Fee Counters
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/NAIA-T1-ARR4.jpg
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/ARR-IMMIG.jpg

Customs
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/NAIA-T1-ARR3.jpg

Baggage Carousels
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/BAGGAGE-1.jpg

Meet and Greet Areas
http://203.160.183.226/miaa/PHOTOGALLERY/images/T1/NAIA-T1-ARR.jpg

The Waiting areas are also bad.. Old furniture. Bad Lighting. Very little to do to pass time. The Washrooms were also bad.. but They have replaced the washrooms and have made them better and suitable for a airport

Yellow EDSA Revolution

The symbolic color "yellow" could be traced to its origin when Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino decided to go home from a long self-exile in the U.S. and the famous song "Tie A Yellow Ribbon". For when he was in the U.S. he thought nobody wanted to join him in his cause of fighting tyranny in his country. Each yellow ribbon would mean, one Pinoy fighting on his side. Pinoys then started by tying all sorts of yellow ribbons and threw all sorts of things yellow everywhere. Until finally it was eventually adapted as the color for opposition to tyrannical rule by a despot.

Eventually this color was also adapted in other revolutions worldwide such as in South Africa, and in Eastern Europe and in other countries.
I guess I can stand the yellow if it has this kind of special meaning, but why didn't they use yellow in Terminal 2 then? It is the centennial terminal or something like that.

t3 imo has become the most controversial and talked about structure in this forum

In my opinion the arrivals and departures area is nice.. It was grand in its time. but now it needs a refurbishment.

I'm with ya on that Eric! :nocrook:

so anyone knows if T3 has group tour areas?
yes, when we toured it last year (or was it two years past) the arrival area looked like a normal airport with segregated exits for buses, taxis etc.

Well I think the marble gave it a different feel, especially in the lobby, it's not the "typical" check-in with the carpet and all, it's not bad, it's localised look:) but in the area around the gates carpet should be used instead of that.... floor with the round bulges:D
haha believe it or not when it opened in the 80's this was the sobrang hitech uso floor back then, of course now it's considered industrial. there's one other landmark building which opened in the 80's which used it ... San Miguel Head Office in Ortigas ! Dunno if they still have it (any people here in the forum working for San Miguel?) lasts a long time though.

^ I know Francis20 has a close friend working in San Miguel ~ Ortigas.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/NAIA-T1-DEPT-LOBBY2.jpg

IMO still looks beautiful to me...just maybe change the flooring or something but I love the ceiling! :D

yeah... the ceiling of Terminal 1's Check-In area is bea-u-ti-ful. haha! it probably is the nicest part of the building. I dunno why, but I just really love the ceiling too...

they should change the flooring and the seats and the washrooms. hehe... plus do something to the exterior of the building. I wanna know what the gov't and MIAA are seriously considering doing with the terminal once NAIA-T3 opens though...

Actually...if they modernize and renovate T1 for domestic use, it would be elegant again. I would much rather prefer if it was to be rehabilitated than demolished.

:lol: those circular button like rubber flooring in T1 is ugly yet durable...it has stood the test of time.

:lol: those circular button like rubber flooring in T1 is ugly yet durable...it has stood the test of time.

hahaha!! "circular button like rubber flooring"... hahahaha!!!

they get so loud when you have a plane-load of people rolling their luggage down the hallways in the terminal. hehe! maybe they didn't have carry-ons with wheels back then... they just seem absolutely bizarre today though. haha...

I agree with the rest of you regarding the ceiling of our airport, definitely nice even though the airport is many decades old. To this day I still look at the ceiling whenever Im in the departure terminal in Manila.

hahaha!! "circular button like rubber flooring"... hahahaha!!!

they get so loud when you have a plane-load of people rolling their luggage down the hallways in the terminal. hehe! maybe they didn't have carry-ons with wheels back then... they just seem absolutely bizarre today though. haha...
You're actually right!!! As strange as it may sound,Nobody thought of adding wheels to bags back then and the earliest carry on bags with wheels actually had a little metal trolley which folded up ! So when this airport was being planned this was not a consideration, they thought that it would just be much safer to have a rubber floor (as I said Hi tech ito noon), and carpets were not as durable nor practical for humid environments back then! :)

hahahaha!!!! those "circular button like rubber flooring" thingies are called linoleoum guys. lolz!!!!

^ and i find them cute also :D

haha believe it or not when it opened in the 80's this was the sobrang hitech uso floor back then, of course now it's considered industrial. there's one other landmark building which opened in the 80's which used it ... San Miguel Head Office in Ortigas ! Dunno if they still have it (any people here in the forum working for San Miguel?) lasts a long time though.

i used to work there.. yes the interiors are very similar.. :)

umm.. a little update on Philippine Airlines and NAIA-3, kinda... hehe! :)

I emailed my uncle the pictures of NAIA-3 from the MIAA website the other day and at the end of the message I asked him if he knew if PAL was going to transfer this June. he doesn't work for PAL (and I don't think he ever has), but he goes and does Tai-chi (the Chinese exercise thing, hehe) with some of Lucio Tan's relatives or something and knows a couple people from PAL. anyway, the guy replied and said they (the guy along with a couple PAL higher-ups and president Bautista) met with NAIA-3 A.G.M. yesterday for inspections of the terminal. "no development yet".

so yeah... like we all thought, PAL hasn't totally stricken out plans to move out of NAIA-2, unlike it'd earlier announced to the media.

Yeah... I thought of a second "is it linoleum"... I actually didn't know it was rubber in the first place:D Imagine that nice looking pinoy-style ceiling with some.... local wood flooring maybe? too slippery? a combination of that and carpet maybe...:?

I guess T1 if really looked hard upon does have certain advantages over T3, namely a distinguishable lobby and crap toilets, among some.

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umm.. a little update on Philippine Airlines and NAIA-3, kinda... hehe! :)

I emailed my uncle the pictures of NAIA-3 from the MIAA website the other day and at the end of the message I asked him if he knew if PAL was going to transfer this June. he doesn't work for PAL (and I don't think he ever has), but he goes and does Tai-chi (the Chinese exercise thing, hehe) with some of Lucio Tan's relatives or something and knows a couple people from PAL. anyway, the guy replied and said they (the guy along with a couple PAL higher-ups and president Bautista) met with NAIA-3 A.G.M. yesterday for inspections of the terminal. "no development yet".

so yeah... like we all thought, PAL hasn't totally stricken out plans to move out of NAIA-2, unlike it'd earlier announced to the media.

Screw PAL, I have not used their services for air transport and I never will. There are others in the Philippine aviation industry.

You should tell your uncle to remind them to pay the govenrment the back taxes they owe. Hahahaha.

Jon

Yeah... I thought of a second "is it linoleum"... I actually didn't know it was rubber in the first place:D Imagine that nice looking pinoy-style ceiling with some.... local wood flooring maybe? too slippery? a combination of that and carpet maybe...:?

I guess T1 if really looked hard upon does have certain advantages over T3, namely a distinguishable lobby and crap toilets, among some.


yeah. and since T1 is itsy bitsy tiny, late passengers can easily cram through check in and dash to their gate. it would nt take long. with t3, since is a kilometer long, late passengers chances of missing their flights are greater.

btw guys, since we have posted pictures of SIN here. Can anybody post pictures of Jakarta CGK? A lot of people consider it shitty too. not to mention the stink of kretek. Those smokers here who've had a sticl of gudang knows what kretek is. hehehehe.

just wanna compare T1 to CGK

Shitty? Who said that CGK is shitty. I dont know how to define shitty and traditional archictecture. CGK is 100% not designed to be a modern looking airport but to resembles the art and beauty of indonesia traditional archictecture and garden.

Anyway, here is the pic of Terminal 2D. CGK jakarta is consisting of 2 terminal with 6 sub terminal for each airlines. Terminal 1A, 1B, 1C and 2D 2E 2F with 2 pararel runways and 1 new terminal is being renovated for budget carriers. Currently holding 24 million pax.

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http://img205.exs.cx/img205/7571/dscn21698ct.jpg
http://img98.exs.cx/img98/1006/pict00088dg.jpg
http://img98.exs.cx/img98/1998/pict00094dd.jpg
http://img98.exs.cx/img98/4373/pict00159fv.jpg

All pictures were taken from Terminal 2D (international carriers terminal) by sanhen and tata.

For more pictures, go to indonesia aviation thread on indonesia forum :)


cheers

I think CGK is a beautifully made airport, the design totally blends in with the local architecture and the landscaping and foliage does give the airport's terminals an airy outdoorsy feel. Personally, I rather see more greenery than all the chrome, glass, concrete and steel at most airports these days. :)

CGK, does not look bad at all...its quite nice actually....anywho...i can't wait for NAIA 3 to open...hopefully they do not destroy T1, since it can house domestic flights, hopefully...well i hope they clean it up though...its such a nice terminal...brings back memories from the olden days...

God, that airport of Jakarta is not shitty at all (whoeversaid it is), it is actually amazing, full of cultural and tropical blends, very unique.

all i can say right now is WOW! but in my own opinion, i dont mean anything but, wont that kind of ambience make a person sad? i would if im leaving...

CGK looks absolutely stunning!!!! :runaway:

aw, i just looked through the previous pages, and saw this miaa link.. IT IS NOT WORKING!! i wanna see these "controversial" (hehe) pictures!!

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is it really opening this june, for real? coz my teacher and her husband is going to the philippines, for the first time, this western summer.. i mean, i dont want them to see the arrivals of t1.. they had been to the airport though, a year ago, for a connecting flight to thailand..
if its opening this june, then they wont be experiencing the hassle of t1...

hey, you can check it in the manila vs karachi (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=192482) thread. @ncbmandy posted some of the new naia pics there.. :)

i'll check it out.. btw, thanks!

CGK looks absolutely stunning!!!! :runaway:

What does CGK mean?

I think it's the airport code or something like that, like NAIA is MNL.

i like those pics at jakarta. typical indonesian or asean architecture. similar with the old davao airport.

http://www.geocities.com/manila_naia/naiaterminals.jpg
Photo from Airliners.net I cropped it because the file size is too big.

wow the entire length of t3 seems almost equal to the strech of t2 t& t1 combined

CGK is very unique...Great airport...i wish the did a better job maintaining it though. For the record, its designed by SOM.

I believe one factor why Passenger Traffic in MNL has not kept at par with KL and HK (even though a central and strategic location) is the delayed upgrading of facilities. It was mentioned many times that terminal 1 is already at 150% or more, of its capacity thereby hampering additional traffic. God thing terminal 3 is almost opening.

More NAIA 3 news and pictures please, not about other airport terminals that are already up and running

they say the new terminal can handle 13m passengers, or maybe at a maximum point, 15m. but this is still way below the current arrival counts in kl, bkk & sin. yet if we open the terminal, it would stil take time for the capacity to fill up or increase coz mnl isnt rly part of the hub-spoke system.

yeah. i believe BKK is like at 30+m and MNL only at 9-12 million pax

yeah. i believe BKK is like at 30+m and MNL only at 9-12 million pax

please correct me if im wrong

in terms of passenger capacity..BKK terminal house both the domestic and international operation i think while MNL its separate terminal and on June MNL will have a total passenger capacity of 22million (13M for International and 9M for domestic).

I believe that we can reach in short period of time the 15M mark once we started operating an efficient, modern, and spacious airport terminal. BTW KLIA only has 16-17 million passenger a year on average which is not far behind MNL.

Let's not forget that withthe government pushing DMIA as an alternative for charter and cheaper airlines, theres a lot of room to grow there too.

http://www.philskies.net/library/RPLL/mnlreal36.jpg
Area before NAIA 3 constructed.

I saw on 24 oras that the army is guarding NAIA 3 against terrorists, WHY?, it's not even open and their are no passengers.

shempre, it's a great terrorist target. Half a billion dollars worth, plus it's a priority project.

I saw on 24 oras that the army is guarding NAIA 3 against terrorists, WHY?, it's not even open and their are no passengers.
It's never going to open if terrorist blow that thing up. They might try and hit us where it will hurt the most, our economy. If tourists hears about terrorist blowing up our airport terminal, they'll never come.

What does CGK mean?

FYI, the airport is located northwest of the city of Jakarta, in Cengkareng, hence the airport code CGK. :colgate:

well... it's a legitimate question... terrorists often try and kill people... target dense areas. but i guess this terrorists also want to bring down the government..or extract revenge. Watch out for the MRTs too. or any of our transportation facilities.

well... it's a legitimate question... terrorists often try and kill people... target dense areas. but i guess this terrorists also want to bring down the government..or extract revenge. Watch out for the MRTs too. or any of our transportation facilities.

off-topic.

actually, targets are all facilities that would make an "impact" preferably public places, transportation, malls as well as critical installations such as power plants & transmission lines to bring down electric supply. what they really want is to tell the world that they exist. their fight supposedly on ideology but their actions manifest greed & heinous criminal activities affecting innocent civilian lives. even, WTC napatumba... davao airport made headlines two years ago. 40 plus killed. i actually saw dead bodies being transported by police mobile vehicles passed by our office. kasi mobile cars in davao are tamaraw fx so nakikita ang nasa karga sa likod.

so, let us just pray for the better & spare us from another "impact" by terrorists.

guys i have a question. How come in NAIA passengers aren't allowed to enter the aiport terminal as a standby passenger? In other major airpots in the world, people can actually just drop by the airport and buy their tickets right then and there. I think NAIA should adopt this system especially after the openning of NAIA 3. It would increase the number of passengers for airlines and also improve the aviation system in the country.

guys i have a question. How come in NAIA passengers aren't allowed to enter the aiport terminal as a standby passenger? In other major airpots in the world, people can actually just drop by the airport and buy their tickets right then and there. I think NAIA should adopt this system especially after the openning of NAIA 3. It would increase the number of passengers for airlines and also improve the aviation system in the country.

It could be used as another excuse to accompany a relative to the airport :D

^ :lol: That's actually true, plus safety reasons also.

airlines offices should located outside the main terminal area off limits to non departing pax

they should just barr people who look like they're just there making tambay and making their last minute bilins of sneakers and chocolates.

well, the plan is all are allowed to enter the departure hall since the mall (duty-free) will be open to the public. I saw bars on the pics in front of the check-in counter islands. maybe this will be assigned as ticketed-passenger restricted areas and the rest for public use. And I agree, dapat nga all can enter and buy tickets on site.

Or worse... they'll adopt the NAIA 1 system, chaos outside...

guys i have a question. How come in NAIA passengers aren't allowed to enter the aiport terminal as a standby passenger? In other major airpots in the world, people can actually just drop by the airport and buy their tickets right then and there. I think NAIA should adopt this system especially after the openning of NAIA 3. It would increase the number of passengers for airlines and also improve the aviation system in the country.

because the space is limited.

I hope they'll allow people (both passengers and just well-wishers) inside NAIA-3 once it opens. it's such a huge terminal and was built with a 4-storey mall to accomodate everyone so that shouldn't be wasted. they should just screen everyone as they screen regular passengers to resolve the securtiy issues... I would hate to see complaints on T3 all over the internet again about having billions of people outside the terminal's doors standing under the heat as they do at NAIA-1/2 today...

It could be used as another excuse to accompany a relative to the airport :D

not just a relative but the whole barangay.

should they allow, airport security is at risk. of course, they can always add personnel & more bomb-sniffing dogs.

in LAX, all are allowed entry in the departure hall so why not here. I think real security is making the place really feel secure, not by just barring people from entering. You know what i mean? like more police visibility, increased surveilance and lthe like. Only in the Philippine have i seen cars being checked by opening trunks and all and a whole area being fenced off up to the parking lot! (see NAIA terminal 2 arrival, international wing). I mean, bomb people won't put it in the most obvious places won't they?

in LAX, all are allowed entry in the departure hall so why not here. I think real security is making the place really feel secure, not by just barring people from entering. You know what i mean? like more police visibility, increased surveilance and lthe like. Only in the Philippine have i seen cars being checked by opening trunks and all and a whole area being fenced off up to the parking lot! (see NAIA terminal 2 arrival, international wing). I mean, bomb people won't put it in the most obvious places won't they?

the amount of extra security required to undertake this project is pretty enormous. the MIAA has better ways to utilize its resources. Besides, we're already accustomed to the status quo.

by the way guys, do you think that the 4-storey mall which absent-minded mentioned will open the same time as NAIA 3 does? All we've been hearing are spaces to be leased to airlines for their lounges and offices. They never mentioned anythng about a Duty Free shop anymore after they took over the terminal.

Regarding well-wishers and people who don't have tickets, i just wish that they will be able to enter the terminal when it opens. And i really do hope that they should allow passengers to buy tickets while inside the terminal for last minute travels and emergency needs. Ad i don't know if im just being optimistic and all but notice in the pictures of the check-in area of Terminal 3? Notice that for every block of check in counters, right under the V shaped pillars section and before actually entering the check in area with the counters and stuff, there are i think 3 stations in front. Could this section be for people who want to buy tickets onsite?




http://www.geocities.com/manila_naia/naia3-08.jpg


http://www.geocities.com/manila_naia/naia3-09.jpg

by the way guys, do you think that the 4-storey mall which absent-minded mentioned will open the same time as NAIA 3 does? All we've been hearing are spaces to be leased to airlines for their lounges and offices. They never mentioned anythng about a Duty Free shop anymore after they took over the terminal....


for sure it will because it is the only physical connection between the indoor parking lot and the Terminal itself.

Only in the Philippine have i seen cars being checked by opening trunks and all and a whole area being fenced off up to the parking lot! (see NAIA terminal 2 arrival, international wing). I mean, bomb people won't put it in the most obvious places won't they?

Don't they do that at Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel-Aviv, Israel? El Al Israeli Airlines also has strict security restrictions, I believe they even have mandatory air marshalls in every flight and their planes are constantly guarded even while parked at foreign airports.

Ad i don't know if im just being optimistic and all but notice in the pictures of the check-in area of Terminal 3? Notice that for every block of check in counters, right under the V shaped pillars section and before actually entering the check in area with the counters and stuff, there are i think 3 stations in front. Could this section be for people who want to buy tickets onsite?


hmmmm... it seems to me that the format of the T3 check-in area is like Changi Airport's check-in area.... where in there is a counter or line area for passengers heading for their airline's counter.. and well wishers could stay upto the check in area only...

well.. I hope if they allow well-wishers, they will only be upto this area only.... coz Filipinos tend to bring the whole barangay when leaving the country.... too many people = higher security risk... plus too many people inside = too much crowding....

Yeah.... that's right, T3's check-in is awfully similar to Changi's... at least in the terminal i frequent. then entrance past ticket check is to the left from entrance, then right there's the restaurants.....well at least this is how it was set-up in Changi:)

This is a big plus, but no doubt security will be extreme. Looking forward to how it will be implemented, imo it WILL be different from Singapore's, considering how special our pinoy arrangements are:D

BY THE WAY By Max V. Soliven
The Philippine Star 04/01/2005

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/News200504012602.htm

I met with Manila International Airport Authority General Manager Alfonso G. Cusi yesterday, and he assured me that the NAIA Terminal 3 would be in operation by July. He said that much still had to be done, so he cannot make it by he earlier-announced June deadline.

He also plans to construct a cargo terminal. It’s now being studied whether the cargo terminal will be built adjacent to the NAIA-3 terminal, or on the old site of the Nayong Pilipino. It seems more plausible, I observed, for an international cargo terminal to be erected next to the NAIA Terminal rather than far across the runway.

As for those claiming to have "bought" concessions from the PIATCO bosses, since all of them had no receipts for the amounts they allege they paid, or legal contracts, Al Cusi explained, concessions in Terminal 3 will have to be bidded out – in sum, "it’s a new airport terminal we’re launching.

In May 2003, he noted, the Supreme Court had ruled that PIATCO ‘s two concession contracts and three supplements are "null and void" ab initio for violating the BOT (Build-Operate-Transfer) law and the rules on public bidding.

Finally, after three rounds of failed negotiations spanning three years, the President directed the "expropriation" of Terminal 3. The Court will determine the "value of just compensation," which will be paid accordingly, Cusi said.

The Japanese contractor Takenaka Corporation will be paid, based on initial court figures, some US$50 million – with the first payment to be $10 million. The rest of the payment will follow on a staggered $20 million, then a final $20 million basis. Other costs incurred, after proper verification, may also be considered, but Cusi didn’t elaborate on this.

I found Mr. Cusi both earnest and knowledgeable – but he’s got a long way to go in getting Terminal 3 shipshape and in operation. If he can resist the "pressures" being put on him.

Right now, one of his most worrisome problems, I kid thee not, is which of the hundreds of media "reporters" and "correspondents" to credit with passes for the new NAIA-3 airport terminal. Every Tom, Dick and Kulasa wants to get a press "pass"! Gee whiz. Whatta dilemma.

Well, its slow, but at least sure...

We've waited this long, what's another month? :D

and another... :D The cycle never ends my friends... it never does. hoepfully one day, with God's intervention, it will :) :) :)

Yeah, It's geting really annoying.. Will PAL move to T3?? I mean, The centennial Terminal is nice and all but its F***** overcrowded...

Remember This is Philippines :D It runs on Filipino time. So when it says Its June 21 its just the suggested date. :colgate:

Why am i not suprised that once again, they have postponed its opening? hehehe.

As long as they opened it in time for my arrival on January 2006 then all is well. Hahahahaha. Yes, its Filipino time folks for those not in the know. Hahahahaha!

Jon

Remember This is Philippines :D It runs on Filipino time. So when it says Its June 21 its just the suggested date. :colgate:

same goes with the traffic light... when on RED light, its just a suggestion. :jk:

I was watching this Lonely Planet episode about the Philippines and the host said that "When you're in the Philippines, might as well throw your watch away, since time just moves slowly here, or sometimes it even stands still." :colgate:

but with traffic, i doubt that is real :)

CGK is very unique...Great airport...i wish the did a better job maintaining it though. For the record, its designed by SOM.

Thats odd, as I know that the project was done by ADP, and Paul Andreu was the principal architect.

Really? maybe SOM and ADP collaborated their efforts.

I was watching this Lonely Planet episode about the Philippines and the host said that "When you're in the Philippines, might as well throw your watch away, since time just moves slowly here, or sometimes it even stands still." :colgate:

Very true in the provinces. Life is slow, but when you're in the tres-urban parts of MM, time is just like in any Western country.

what happen to the t-3 website? the gov't can't even maintain a website and they expect to maintain t-3 like a 5 star hotel? i doubt it very much. i bet after a year when t-3 is open the toilets will be stinking up like t-1

Really? maybe SOM and ADP collaborated their efforts.
Possible, like Kansai airport where Paul Andreu did the facilities layout and planning, and then Renzo Piano later came in (after winning the design competition) for the overall design concept a.k.a that's why Kansai has such an unusual roof. But there there many details in CGK (Soekarno-Hatta) that reflect Paul Andreu's design philosophy mainly the symmetry of things. The six terminals are supposed to look like a flower. My interest and involvement in CGK was because the most of the paved surfaces on the airside are supported by a local foundation technique which when translated from bahasa indonesia means "chicken feet".

oh well... at least it's "assured", by the MIAA GM himself, that NAIA-3 will be opening in July. too bad they didn't say anything about the airlines and whether or not they've agreed to MIAA's terms for their transfer. and whether or not they're already putting up lounges and training the staff and all so that they can operate in July...

I wonder how they got the $50M figure for Takenaka's comensation though. is that from the inventory the conducted?

what happen to the t-3 website? the gov't can't even maintain a website and they expect to maintain t-3 like a 5 star hotel? i doubt it very much. i bet after a year when t-3 is open the toilets will be stinking up like t-1

I think the MIAA's website died cause of all our hotlinking of the images when we posted them up in the forums. haha! we used up all their bandwidth... lol.

I hope the MIAA is gonna push through with their plans to hire a third party to manage the terminal facilities though... if not it'll be freakin annoying cause the terminal is probably not gonna last longer than the number of years we've waited for it to actually open. haha!

:D Arson’ or no, NAIA 3 opens in June – Arroyo solons

Sunday, 04 03, 2005

President Arroyo's allies in the House of Representatives have dismissed as a ''crazy idea and mere disinformation'' an alleged plan by the government to “accidentally” burn the old Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 1 to force the opening of Terminal 3 by June this year as had been ordered by the Chief Executive.

Rep. Monico Puentevella (Bacolod City), chairman of the House committee on transportation, and Ernesto Nieva (Manila), chairman of the committee on people's participation, in a joint statement over the weekend, said the report quoting an unnamed source was ''clearly disinformation since no government would destroy a major facility just to open another one.''

Puentevella was apparently referring to the Tribune story (April 2) that quoted an industry source on the alleged plan.

The source told the Tribune that the plan is being discussed among Arroyo officials as a solution to force airlines to move to Terminal 3, a new, state-of-the-art terminal without going through the process of issuing iron-clad contracts to them, or persuade them to sign memorandums of agreement with the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA), as they would have nowhere else to go but Terminal 3.

“This way, too, the government can exercise ownership rights despite a court order, and even operate the new airport without having to shell out a single centavo to Piatco, since this would be seen as a 'force majeure',” the source said, referring to the international consortium that built the modern terminal and whose members include Germany's Fraport.

Puentevella called the report ''a story borne out of boredom.''

''No government would burn a major facility just to operate another one. The government is still determined to open (Terminal 3) as scheduled,” he said.

Mrs. Arroyo had said she wants the terminal running not later than June this year despite its planned operations still being hobbled by cases in local courts and international arbitration bodies in Singapore and the United States.

Puentevella said the story sought to project the government as growing panicky over the June opening of Terminal 3 when ''(on) the contrary, the government remains on track with its schedule and it has not announced any change of plan regardless of the legal complexities in opening (it).''

According to him, the alleged plan to burn Terminal 1 is ''absurd since it has never been the practice of the government to waste vital installation in the country.”

Nieva, for his part, asked, “Why burn (Terminal 1) when it can continue to operate along with Terminal 3?''

Without saying where he was coming from, he said any move to destroy a major government facility will have to be justified and implemented with utmost transparency and accountability.

“The government cannot just destroy a major facility without properly informing the public, after all, (Terminal 1) was built to service the people's transport needs,” Nieva pointed out.

Terminal 3 is entangled in a legal battle between Piatco and the Arroyo government over the issue of compensation, which tussle stemmed from Mrs. Arroyo's expropriation of the terminal.

The compensation issue, a Pasay City Regional Trial Court has ruled, should first be resolved before the government could take over, operate the terminal and exercise ownership rights.

It was reported that the airline companies need at least six months from the issuance of the contract by the MIAA for them to transfer their offices to Terminal 3.

No foreign airline has transferred to the new terminal.

i bet after a year when t-3 is open the toilets will be stinking up like t-1

If bad maintenance persists. It runs like an epidemic in MIAA doesn't it.

*snort* burning t1 IS a nice idea :D Why didn't we think of it before?

well, if MArcos did it with the old MIA, why not with NAIA1? :D

well, if MArcos did it with the old MIA, why not with NAIA1? :D
Marcos burnt an airport? I didn't know that.

well, the plan is all are allowed to enter the departure hall since the mall (duty-free) will be open to the public. I saw bars on the pics in front of the check-in counter islands. maybe this will be assigned as ticketed-passenger restricted areas and the rest for public use. And I agree, dapat nga all can enter and buy tickets on site.

Or worse... they'll adopt the NAIA 1 system, chaos outside...


They should push this plan...to allow non passengers inside the terminal itself...atleast untill the luggage check-in area...

Here in SIngapore the Airport is not just for Passengers...its actually a destination for people to unwind, study, dine, or just waste time. U can freely walk around the airport w/o anybody bugging u around. During the examination season here in SG, u try to go to the airport and u will see groups of student studying on the airport premises complete with sleeping bags & tents...its so cool...they are making us of 24/7 operation of the airport & free aircon...then u can easily just choose a food chain where u wanna eat coz they operate 24/7 too. And the place is relatively quiet inspite of it being very bz. I guess it the hugeness of the place thats why. I hope they try to adapt this concept there in NAIA 3.

Airport to sell bonds
For gov't to raise $300M to pay for Terminal 3
By JENNEE GRACE U. RUBRICO, Senior Reporter
The operator of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) plans to sell bonds to raise at least $300 million so it can finally pay the owner and contractor of Terminal 3.

A source privy to the plan told BusinessWorld that state-run Manila International Airport Authority or MIAA already asked banks to submit proposals for the issuance of around $300 million in bonds.

"The proceeds will be used to compensate Fraport [AG of Germany]. This is also in line with the President's thrust to open Terminal 3 this June," the source said.

Fraport is the German partner of Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (PIATCo) in building Terminal 3.

The source said that a portion of the funds -- around P5 billion -- would come from the sale of peso-denominated bonds. The remaining $200 million will be raised through the sale of dollar-denominated bonds.

"Both [bonds] will be issued onshore," the source said.

He also said the bonds would have the guarantee of the government, and that MIAA preferred a maturity of three years.

While details of the proposed bond float are still sketchy, 15 banks reportedly invited to submit proposals have been preparing, the source added.

The government needs to compensate PIATCo and Fraport for its expropriation of Terminal 3.

Malacañang had also said that it would consider unsolicited bids worth more than $300 million for Terminal 3. The proceeds of such a sale, Malacañang said, will be used to pay Fraport and PIATCo.

The government initiated expropriation proceedings last December 2004 "to accelerate" its takeover of [Terminal 3] while keeping to the Supreme Court's decision to nullify PIATCo's and Fraport's contract to build it.

Expropriation is an inherent power of the state under the principle of eminent domain. But this is limited by the Bill of Rights, thus the government cannot forcibly take over a property without paying just compensation to its owner.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo had said that Fraport and PIATCo would get "just compensation" for Terminal 3.

But she had also said that it would be up to the courts to determine how much the PIATCo consortium should get from the government.

Fraport, however, had said that it would pursue the arbitration case it had filed against the government before the World Bank's International Center for the Settlement of Investment Disputes in Washington DC.

The German company said that the Philippine government had "never offered" to compensate Fraport, and that it was "determined to rely upon its rights under international law...to compel the Philippines to pay for the expropriation of Fraport's investment."

Fraport is asking for $450 million. PIATCo wants $500 million.

I hope they'll allow people (both passengers and just well-wishers) inside NAIA-3 once it opens. it's such a huge terminal and was built with a 4-storey mall to accomodate everyone so that shouldn't be wasted. they should just screen everyone as they screen regular passengers to resolve the securtiy issues... I would hate to see complaints on T3 all over the internet again about having billions of people outside the terminal's doors standing under the heat as they do at NAIA-1/2 today...

I think it should be pointed out that in the original concept of SOM, the mall is actually made-up of two parts, a retail section, and a duty free section. The retail section is accessible from the land side of the terminal and is open to both passengers and the public. In fact you have to pass through this area to go from the terminal to the parking building. The duty-free section is accessible from the air side of the terminal and is only accessible to passengers, with separate levels designated for departing and arriving passengers.

My best guess is that the operators will have to open the terminal to the public, mainly because this would significant generate revenues. These public areas include the food court on the fourth floor, and the greeter lounge on the second floor which overlooks the baggage claim area. I dont think security is an issue which would prevent the public from entering the terminal.

I was thinking of sharing what I like and what I dont like about Terminal 3.

Firstly, the things I dont like:

1). Aside from the departure lobby, most of the areas in the departure area do not have natural lighting except for the light that enters through the windows. There are not that many skylights, and most areas have to depend on artificial lighting to prevent the areas from looking like a cave. The arrival concourse is even worse with very its small windows, although there are some corridors that have full length windows.

2). Again, aside from the departure and arrival lobby, and the baggage claim, most of the areas have low ceilings. This is a big let down from the NAIA2 where almost all areas have high ceilings, lots of natural lighting even in the arrival area, and external views of the exterior.

3). I find the departure lounge areas somewhat long and narrows. If I recall correctly, the seats in the departure lounge were colored tan or mocha which I felt did not go well with the rest of the buildings color scheme.

4). there are not enough travelators, and most of the escalators go up with only stairs going down.

Now what I like,

1). The public areas for both greeters and well wishers. The greeters lounge which is located above customs area in the arrival area is very big, and looks over the carousels. You can see the person you are meeting just after he passes customs and goes down the escalator or stairs. In the case of the well wishers area, here you can wait in the food court and still see the person you are sending off in the pre-departure lounge (or at least that is what I would call the two-storey atrium place just after you clear security).

2). The separate arrivals lobby for those taking public transportation or tour buses.

3). With the exception of gate 116, or if your plane is parked at a remote gate (121 through 128), you dont have to go down any stairs or escalator to board a plane. I dont like going down stairs, and most of the new airports such as KLIA, Inchon, HKIA you generally have to go down stairs to board the plane.

what happen to the t-3 website? the gov't can't even maintain a website and they expect to maintain t-3 like a 5 star hotel? i doubt it very much.
Seriously...that is the most basic first impression MIAA could make to anybody interested in NAIA...and it couldn't be maintained constantly....><;;

Anyhow...so that's what happened to MIAA? :runaway:

Hey docz, did you pay a visit to T3 by any chance?

Seriously...that is the most basic first impression MIAA could make to anybody interested in NAIA...and it couldn't be maintained constantly....><;;

Anyhow...so that's what happened to MIAA? :runaway:

Hey docz, did you pay a visit to T3 by any chance?

If you mean recently, I would say no.

If you mean have I been inside, the answer is yes - twice. But the last time I was able to go in was in November 2002. However after looking at the pictures that were recently posted, I would say the place still looks the same except that they seem to have covered much of the equipment, like the flight information displays and the baggage carousels, with plastic.

In fact I am hoping that people working on the elevated road along Sales and Andrews avenue will not call me, because then that means there is a foundation problem that needs to be looked into - which is a royal pain in the posterior.

Aw man talk about lucky...:D BTW when you were there, did you notice by any chance if they fixed the slipperiness of the floor?

Aw man talk about lucky...:D BTW when you were there, did you notice by any chance if they fixed the slipperiness of the floor?

Not that I know of. The flooring in most areas is granite - although I did not find it slippery. However, I would imagine that the floor would be extremely slippery if wet. Granite recently seems to be the flooring of choice in most of the new terminals. I guess it is because it is durable and easy to maintain. Also, it is easy to roll a baggage cart on the floor.

Very true in the provinces. Life is slow, but when you're in the tres-urban parts of MM, time is just like in any Western country.


HAHAHA I watched that episode! Wonderfully done with a great host, unlike that horrible Rough Guide show's take on the Philippines back in 1992. Dumb. Anyways, it's true about time and the lifestyle being more slow and laid back in the Philippines, it's just the culture. But it's true that in MM it's a bit faster because it's a megacity, but really it's still VERY slow and laid back compared to the west.

They should push this plan...to allow non passengers inside the terminal itself...atleast untill the luggage check-in area...

Here in SIngapore the Airport is not just for Passengers...its actually a destination for people to unwind, study, dine, or just waste time. U can freely walk around the airport w/o anybody bugging u around. During the examination season here in SG, u try to go to the airport and u will see groups of student studying on the airport premises complete with sleeping bags & tents...its so cool...they are making us of 24/7 operation of the airport & free aircon...then u can easily just choose a food chain where u wanna eat coz they operate 24/7 too. And the place is relatively quiet inspite of it being very bz. I guess it the hugeness of the place thats why. I hope they try to adapt this concept there in NAIA 3.


But that's how airports of developed countries are. Well, maybe hanging out there is a bit of a stretch, but a major airport should be more open so that friends and family could meet and greet loved ones.

But that's how airports of developed countries are. Well, maybe hanging out there is a bit of a stretch, but a major airport should be more open so that friends and family could meet and greet loved ones.

sana nga ganito. kaya lang kasi iba ang kaugalian ng mga pilipino kumpara sa ibang bansa. sa ibang bansa kasi isa lang ang naghahatid minsan at sumusundo samantalang sa pinas isang dyip ng mga kamag-anak at kaibigan, pero ito ay nangyayari doon lamang sa mga OFW na nag-aabroad galing probinsya at hindi sa mga taga maynila :D

/\ Yeah, Filipinos going abroad bring along jeepney loads of friends and family to see them off at the airport, even though they can't really go in the terminal. Here in the US, people just drop their passengers at the curb and leave after a few quick goodbyes. Also pre-9/11, you can go all the way to the boarding gate with the person you're seeing off, but now you have to part ways at the security checkpoint, I miss those days! I used to hang-out, plane spotting and people watch at the airport here in Orlando when I'm bored and nothing to do at home. :)

/\ Yeah, Filipinos going abroad bring along jeepney loads of friends and family to see them off at the airport, even though they can't really go in the terminal. Here in the US, people just drop their passengers at the curb and leave after a few quick goodbyes. Also pre-9/11, you can go all the way to the boarding gate with the person you're seeing off, but now you have to part ways at the security checkpoint, I miss those days! I used to hang-out, plane spotting and people watch at the airport here in Orlando when I'm bored and nothing to do at home. :)

You know whats funny? before 9/11 In Canada you can only go to the security gate and thats all. Its too bad all the Well wishers now have to stop at the security checkpoint

German lawmaker pushes Fraport payment

A German lawmaker is urging the Arroyo government to resolve the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3 row, claiming the non-payment of Fraport AG has been discouraging new German investments into the country.

"We would like to have more German investments in this country but profitable investments. The experiences you make (to the investors) to some extent determine your preparedness for the future. We have to work on these problems," Mr. Lammbert told reporters.

The visiting delegate to the Inter-Parliamentary Union noted that the German parliament, which he said has been ‘observing’ the case, has yet to see the government fulfill its promise of paying ‘just compensation’ to Fraport AG, the German partner of Philippine Air Terminal Co., Inc. (Piatco) in building the NAIA-3, for its more than $425-million in the airport project.

"The German parliament is observing this situation. There had been a lot of public declarations of what the solution would be, but none of these solutions have taken place," Mr. Lammbert said.

For his part, German Ambassador to Manila Axel Weishaupt said his government was hoping to put an end to the controversy surrounding the NAIA-3 within the year.

"We have to find a solution. This Fraport is the only real stumbling block we have. Therefore our government and Malacanang want to get rid of that this year," Mr. Weishaupt said in a separate interview.

The German government earlier warned it would bring the dispute before an ‘ad hoc international arbitral tribunal’ if the Arroyo government failed to pay the German airport operator.

Under Article 10 of the RP-Germany bilateral investment agreement, the tribunal will be created six months after either party has formally informed in writing of the request for creation.

The tribunal will consists of three arbiters - one each from both parties and a third arbiter from an independent state who will serve as chairman.

The arbitral trbunal’s decision, made by a majority of votes, is said to be final and binding. -- Ma. Eloisa I. Calderon

sana nga ganito. kaya lang kasi iba ang kaugalian ng mga pilipino kumpara sa ibang bansa. sa ibang bansa kasi isa lang ang naghahatid minsan at sumusundo samantalang sa pinas isang dyip ng mga kamag-anak at kaibigan, pero ito ay nangyayari doon lamang sa mga OFW na nag-aabroad galing probinsya at hindi sa mga taga maynila :D

yeah nagbalikbayan ako last nov 04 sa ating bansa isang utol ko lng and sumundo sa akin sa airport tapos nagtaksi lang kami punta sa bhy namin sa kal, hindi nga airport taksi kungdi yng mga taksi na nagbyabyahe sa kalsada malapit doon sa labas ng parking lot ng naia 1, wla naman ako dala kungdi yng medium size na maleta kong may gulong at dalawang maliit na maleta na hawak ko at yong isa nasa balikat ko

Speaking of travelling, the last time I was in Manila only my 2 aunties, an uncle and a cousin picked me up at the airport. But my peeve was on the way out of the arrival area. The downhill slope was not the best way to go if you have 2 large suitcases, a hand carry and a duffle bag. Buti na lang may porter na nagalok otherwise all my suitcases would have ended up on the floor. Hay naku.

Jon

Did you use the free luggage carts? (or are they still free?) They do a decent job of preventing a high-speed collision, along with the normal duty of the cart which is to turn shoulder burden into pushing.

Ive used the free cart and yes it is still free but my luggages are huge so the two barely can fit on it and my handcarried luggage was on top. Add to this I have my backpack with me.

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Wow! There are still places in the world that have free luggage carts! I thought they were extinct already! :lol:

im jst wondering whether the new naia 3 will charge fees for the carts, they better be big and brand new, u know how pinoys are with their big balikbayan boxes and baggages

i've read somewhere a few months ago that the government is seriously considering charging for their carts again. it looks like they get a lot of money out of this practice. a bit icky though to tourists and balikbayans.

its ok to charge for the carts cause it helps generate revenue and in turn maintain the airport. here in seattle airport called (sea-tac) aiport they charge $ 2.50 for the carts.

Speaking of travelling, the last time I was in Manila only my 2 aunties, an uncle and a cousin picked me up at the airport. But my peeve was on the way out of the arrival area. The downhill slope was not the best way to go if you have 2 large suitcases, a hand carry and a duffle bag. Buti na lang may porter na nagalok otherwise all my suitcases would have ended up on the floor. Hay naku.

Jon

Ha i remember when i had to go down there.. My mom started getting frusterated and demanded someone to push our carts... lol i didn't like that sloap either especailly when my cart had a defected wheel. Ahhh memories :P

I didn't like those aqua green bars with the people all packed behind them staring at the people arriving!

Hopefully, all these things will be addressed when NAIA3 becomes operational.

I remember when I was small, I would look forward to going to the airport to greet a arriving relative. At that time, the MIA had a lounge for all the well-wishers and greeters on the mezzanine level, from which you could access the open air view deck. The lounge had a number of automated vending machines which was a novelty at that time in the mid 60's. Our parents would buy me and my brother a bag of pop corn as we waited for our relatives to arrive. Then the terminal burned down in January 1972, and the new one that was built was quit bad.

I remember having the same hopefullness when the current NAIA1 was being built. They started in May 1978 and said they could finish it in 30 months. But delays resulted in it being opened in April 2, 1982. We all thought at the time that things would dramatically improve. But since day 1 this has been a horrible terminal as far as the meeters and greeters are concerned. Maybe there was a big improvement as far as passenger comfort is concerned.
Just a few weeks after the terminal opened in April of 1982 they closed off the fourth floor view deck, and then closed off the terminal to non-passengers mainly due to security concerns, and also because of the large numbers of non-passengers going to the airport.

I am saying this because while I am very hopefull, still there is the possibility that many of the nice facilities not work as initially planned. I must say however, that T2 is an entirely different experience, as far as domestic operations are concerned. While there are numerous short comings as far as the international flights are concerned, we should remember T2 was designed primarily to be a domestic airport.

im jst wondering whether the new naia 3 will charge fees for the carts, they better be big and brand new, u know how pinoys are with their big balikbayan boxes and baggages
I'm with ya on that one! :D

I'm hoping the thing w/ Fraports gets resolved soon, I mean (as mentioned in mysaong03's post), this isn't looking good in encouraging German investors in the nation... :bash:

Hopefully, all these things will be addressed when NAIA3 becomes operational.

I remember when I was small, I would look forward to going to the airport to greet a arriving relative. At that time, the MIA had a lounge for all the well-wishers and greeters on the mezzanine level, from which you could access the open air view deck. The lounge had a number of automated vending machines which was a novelty at that time in the mid 60's. Our parents would buy me and my brother a bag of pop corn as we waited for our relatives to arrive. Then the terminal burned down in January 1972, and the new one that was built was quit bad.

I remember having the same hopefullness when the current NAIA1 was being built. They started in May 1978 and said they could finish it in 30 months. But delays resulted in it being opened in April 2, 1982. We all thought at the time that things would dramatically improve. But since day 1 this has been a horrible terminal as far as the meeters and greeters are concerned. Maybe there was a big improvement as far as passenger comfort is concerned.
Just a few weeks after the terminal opened in April of 1982 they closed off the fourth floor view deck, and then closed off the terminal to non-passengers mainly due to security concerns, and also because of the large numbers of non-passengers going to the airport.

I am saying this because while I am very hopefull, still there is the possibility that many of the nice facilities not work as initially planned. I must say however, that T2 is an entirely different experience, as far as domestic operations are concerned. While there are numerous short comings as far as the international flights are concerned, we should remember T2 was designed primarily to be a domestic airport.

OMG...so from 1972 to 1982 we dont have an international airport

OMG...so from 1972 to 1982 we dont have an international airport

Actually we did, but it was the old MIA which was really bad. The departure area was in front of the Philippines Village Hotel, and arrival area was the size of a small grocery store. And of course no aerobridges. All the well wishers were in the street. It was really bad even for the passengers.

T1 may be bad, but it is very much better than that rebuilt old MIA building. Of course you have to understand that at that time the number of passengers per year was about 2 million.