Many. SFO and SEA for example. You can do parallel operations but they have to be staggered. SEA has three parallel runways but two of them are close together, before the current standards were adopted. Their third runway is spaced further away. Also, they have one very long runway that allows multiple takeoff points for various sizes of aircraft. It is not uncommon to see a turboprop taking off with a 737 size aircraft holding behind it at a point and further back a heavy holding for their turn.

Responding to the point that T2 looks too long, I would say, as long as they plan to expand it, I would expand the terminal as much as possible. It is cheaper to do it at once rather than incremental expansions.

Thanks for the info @Bohol Guy.From the aerial shot (above photo)it appears like the Terminal 2 is bigger than the Terminal 1.Is that the case?

Possibly T2 is a little too long in your expansion plans, but generally the idea is appropriate for NAIA, especially with the addition of a 3 runway.

I Totally agree with this Visionary Expanded this is all about Government Will instead of having Far Clark maybe it's better to try to relocate community around the Airport much safer to them too. [Runway can Run over SLEX like in Europe I saw like giant Overpass or something] and please before anything else the Airport Bus link (Not Proper,Old Dark, with alambre to close the Door) is a Shame as a Filipino to see by other Nationality with them inside I don't know how to describe.:ohno::ohno::ohno:

same old, same old... can't afford?? if filipinos can afford to rent jeepneys and vans to drop off their loved ones to the airport, why can't they afford to take the train??:dunno:



please tell us why it wouldn't work... and why would a combined service slow down train operations??



what didn't work?? what extravagant project are you talking about??

Its different when you rent a jeep or a van one or two times a year, I don't think you got the point. It's more on the daily ridership such as MRT/LRT that was subsidized by the Arroyo administration so that the average filipinos can afford the daily fare. How can an expensive highspeed train that is expensive to build and expensive to maintain generate revenues on an airport whose international passengers are only 7 million a year and that the majority of the domestic activities are contributed by a lower airfares LCCs. I doubt if these increase in the domestic activities can be achieved like now if the prices of airline fairs are all from full service carriers which as we all knew PAL is the only full service carriers in the Philippines.

Yes, it's the same old story where I have told you yourself I was right, something you never get... Analyze it yourself. Have you seen highspeed trains that is being used for cargoes? If luggages and cargoes are loaded in coaches of a train, will that guarantee, 5 minutes loading and unloading of cargoes? I know if it's all human passengers only, the average unloading and loading of passengers PER perminal does not reach more than 5 minutes. Imagine if you have cargoes like luggages and freights loaded in the same train. Is that achievable? If you have not engaged in any service oriented work force in the past. I can guarantee you you won't see these. I don't know if you are a working student or not because if you have not experienced working then, certainly, you won't have any idea how UPS and Fedex or any other cargo firms works in time constraint and that definitely takes more than 10 mins to load some of their freights to be loaded in the plane or train because even if it requires machines to load them faster, What more if it's hand loaded manually? Do you think the train would have not to wait more than 10 to 15 mins to ensure the cargoes can go to DMIA especially if these are cargoes and luggages that has to go with the passengers.

It's really very different if the Philippines enjoy a high exchange of foreign travellers, meaning, pinoys and foreign tourists along with investors are accounted for the international travelers which are mostly premium passengers.


What didn't work? I've mentioned before, LRT/MRT are subsidized so the fares can be afforded WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT is planning to do, granted that Pangilinan would assist in the project WHO HIMSELF saw how "complicated the project is" and stated that DMIA can be an"overflow" terminal for DMIA. I've posted China's assessment about highspeed train, Did I not? Ones that stated highspeed train isn't a project for poor people in their own country as it is more lucrative to have... I did not make that up... it came from Chinese government. I posted that already. It's not my duty or obligation to repost it again just so I can spoon feed someone who has no clue....

to add the second runway on the main runway will not require a lot of purchases, therefore, it will not cost a lot. As you can see from the maps above, the additional space needed is fairly small. i'm not sure if you caught the word i mentioned earlier, IMMINENT DOMAIN - just in case:

Imminent domain, or eminent domain as its known in the United States, is the concept in which the state can use the power of common law to seize a citizen's private property. This generally occurs with a monetary compensation but is enforced regardless of a person's consent. Imminent domain is usually conducted for use by a government itself. I believe the compensation is the going fair rate in the area and no relocation assistance. The gov't buys your lot and you find your own place to move to.

this is in reply to your statement below:

"I am not sure how possible it is for the government to purchase the properties around NAIA because you could almost always see resistances from the property owners. I do agree on the idea of buying all these properties and compensate the owners properly and find a relocation site for them, mind you, alot of these aren't "Squatters" only, there are well to do families around there such as Merville and Moonwalk and such not to mention the factories and all."

the reality is, the plan is too high of an ambition for the Philippine gov't, to move the airport. it will be too costly for both, the people and for the Philippine government.

Do you know the reason behind the delayed payment to Prafort? because the gov't doesn't really have the money to pay Prafort even for the "just compensation" alone.

the country (Philippines) does not have enough revenue collection from tax payers in order to do big projects. rich countries like hongkong does.

Yeah, I already agreed on you on that one, my main concern is that despite the fact that there is that law "Imminent domain", you do see human rights advocates would get in the way.

The way Aquino plan on having that highspeed rail is the same approach on how Arroyo utilized to afford the ridership of LRT/MRT, they subsidized it, it's the same tactic Aquino is planning to apply which is not very effective since the average filipino considered 25 pesos is too high, and that the government ended up going from one bank to another so they can pay the builders and investors of LRT where the maintenance and services of LRT has been a target of criticism even during Arroyo's last year in office.

Here is the link for that issue, although, it may be a bit offtopic, it's still relevant since what we are talking about is the highspeed train leading to Clark/DMIA.The key issue here is subsidy, meaning, for the public ridership affordability's sake, they would have to go through that same route. Let's see if LRT/MRT is privatized, would it remain 25 peso train fare or they would seek the government's permission to increase the airfare so they can generate revenue to pay the builder, maintain the facility, offer the right salary to it's employees and still be able to see a little bit of profit. Private corporation cannot operate on a charity basis, right?



Recto questions withdrawal of P8-B MRT-LRT subsidy
By Christina Mendez (The Philippine Star) Updated September 10, 2011 12:00 AMComments (0)









MANILA, Philippines - Sen. Ralph Recto took issue yesterday with the justification of President Aquino and his economic advisers for the urgent need to stop the billions in subsidy to mass transit systems in Metro Manila that would lead to an increase of train fares.

Recto, chairman of the Senate ways and means committee, questioned why the present administration was keen on taking away about P8 billion in subsidy for the Metro Rail Transit-Light Rail Transit (MRT-LRT) operations when the government is spending a whopping P39.4 billion next year for the conditional cash transfer (CCT) program.

“No one in the province like in Batanes, Batangas or in Capiz, Tarlac and even in Tawi-Tawi is subsidizing a rider in Metro Manila. It’s Metro Manila that is subsidizing the P39.4-billion CCT program that would benefit most of the provinces,” Recto said.

Recto, former economic planning adviser during the Arroyo administration, also revealed that the bulk of the programmed tax revenues in the 2012 budget, estimated at P1.445 trillion, would be delivered by people in Luzon, specifically those in the National Capital Region (NCR).

Contrary to the claims of the President’s economic advisers, Recto noted that in 2010, Metro Manila cities of Quezon, Makati, Manila and Caloocan contributed P281.8 billion of the P337 billion collected from the 19 revenue regions of the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR).

He said the combined tax collections from Bicol to Tawi-Tawi only amounted to P56.2 billion – which paled in comparison to Quezon City’s collections of P75.8 billion.

Recto added that the aggregate P23.5 billion in taxes collected in five Mindanao revenue regions in one year only represented the eight-month collection performance of the city of Manila.

“When we were campaigning, not one from ARMM ranted about their supposed subsidy of the MRT-LRT fares,” said Recto, who ran and won under the Liberal Party.


here is the rest of the story

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=725615

NAIA today:
Expanded NAIA:

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With additional parallel runway like that, I think it would require more space to build additional taxiway as well to accomodate traffic with more rapid exits in mind, that way, the taxi way wouldn't be too congested as the traffic increase in the near future.

Pila

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Its different when you rent a jeep or a van one or two times a year, I don't think you got the point. It's more on the daily ridership such as MRT/LRT that was subsidized by the Arroyo administration so that the average filipinos can afford the daily fare. How can an expensive highspeed train that is expensive to build and expensive to maintain generate revenues on an airport whose international passengers are only 7 million a year and that the majority of the domestic activities are contributed by a lower airfares LCCs. I doubt if these increase in the domestic activities can be achieved like now if the prices of airline fairs are all from full service carriers which as we all knew PAL is the only full service carriers in the Philippines.

there are a lot of ways they can get revenues... you have the Airport express service, you have the commuter service, and presumably, you have cargo as well... advertisements on the train, food stalls, etc... "high speed" will only be limited to Airport services anyway so it won't be that expensive in terms of operating costs..

Yes, it's the same old story where I have told you yourself I was right, something you never get... Analyze it yourself. Have you seen highspeed trains that is being used for cargoes? If luggages and cargoes are loaded in coaches of a train, will that guarantee, 5 minutes loading and unloading of cargoes? I know if it's all human passengers only, the average unloading and loading of passengers PER perminal does not reach more than 5 minutes. Imagine if you have cargoes like luggages and freights loaded in the same train. Is that achievable? If you have not engaged in any service oriented work force in the past. I can guarantee you you won't see these. I don't know if you are a working student or not because if you have not experienced working then, certainly, you won't have any idea how UPS and Fedex or any other cargo firms works in time constraint and that definitely takes more than 10 mins to load some of their freights to be loaded in the plane or train because even if it requires machines to load them faster, What more if it's hand loaded manually? Do you think the train would have not to wait more than 10 to 15 mins to ensure the cargoes can go to DMIA especially if these are cargoes and luggages that has to go with the passengers.

if we're talking about city check-in, then yes, it's certainly doable...


What didn't work? I've mentioned before, LRT/MRT are subsidized so the fares can be afforded WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT is planning to do, granted that Pangilinan would assist in the project WHO HIMSELF saw how "complicated the project is" and stated that DMIA can be an"overflow" terminal for DMIA. I've posted China's assessment about highspeed train, Did I not? Ones that stated highspeed train isn't a project for poor people in their own country as it is more lucrative to have... I did not make that up... it came from Chinese government. I posted that already. It's not my duty or obligation to repost it again just so I can spoon feed someone who has no clue....

so then why does China keep on building HSL?? in fact, they're planning to test 500kph train soon... and besides you're comparing inter-city high speed services--those trains that run at 300kph or more... ours probably won't even exceed 250kph and as i said, it'll be limited to airport express only...

there are a lot of ways they can get revenues... you have the Airport express service, you have the commuter service, and presumably, you have cargo as well... advertisements on the train, food stalls, etc... "high speed" will only be limited to Airport services anyway so it won't be that expensive in terms of operating costs..



if we're talking about city check-in, then yes, it's certainly doable...




so then why does China keep on building HSL?? in fact, they're planning to test 500kph train soon... and besides you're comparing inter-city high speed services--those trains that run at 300kph or more... ours probably won't even exceed 250kph and as i said, it'll be limited to airport express only...

Yes, there are many ways in generating revenue, that's correct, but, we are talking about highspeed train that would also serve as a public transport system which is being run by a separate government agencies from airline/airport management agencies. Where else these highspeed train would generate revenues? From public commuters right? Considering the cost of building it along with it's expensive cost of maintenance which the Philippine government recognized already, they would have to subsidize these project. Why? Again, so people can afford the train fare. And if you added cargoes in highspeed train system, it definitely defeat the purpose of reaching DMIA in less than an hour, why? loading and offloading cargoes takes longer than people hopping in and out of the train which is achievable in 2 mins even where cargoes take more than 15mins especially if there are crates, it's not like container cans can be loaded in 5 mins and load it in the train right away.

How much international passengers does MNL enjoy? Close to 10 million passengers yearly, how much of these yield premium passengers? Not that much right? Now, with 10 million passengers in mind, how much revenue does a highspeed airport express can generate if this train is used only for airline passengers only? I guess everybody pretty much know the answer for these, This is why Aquino mentioned about subsidizing this plan and use it as a mass transit system as well... On top of these , there are corporations that is going to be affected as well like the CALABARZON area who needed an airport close by othersiwise, DMIA would only benefits the development in that area leaving calabarzon region area out of better means to transport their products faster which is why NAIA would still play an important role to them. This is why I support the development of DMIA and still retain NAIA for that same purpose because I believe its a win win situation when that is achieved..

You are talking about China who still build the HSL/T, certainly they would build it, THEY CAN AFFORD IT EVEN IF THEY SUBSIDIZE IT, THE PHILIPPINES CANNOT..... Look at what happened to LRT/MRT after being subisidized AND WHY LRT was subsidized??? on top of that, there are other countries who is still considered rich such as UAE and such who would buy HSL from China, so yes, definitely they would still build it. For crying outloud, 25 peso train fare in the Philippines is being contested and criticized, when it's already under subsidy. How much more if HSL is built and the basic train fare is 60 pesos or more? Is that still considered wise and practical?

^^OT Using Shanghai Maglev train fare of PHP330 for 30 km as basis or use Hong Kong Airport Express PHP560 for 35km. With Clark being 100km away. The train fare will be 3x the amount. How many passenger do you think will pay for this?

Pila

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Dec 23

Nice Kintoy, thanks for posting !! :banana::banana::banana::banana:

^^OT Using Shanghai Maglev train fare of PHP330 for 30 km as basis or use Hong Kong Airport Express PHP560 for 35km. With Clark being 100km away. The train fare will be 3x the amount. How many passenger do you think will pay for this?

Good question. HK airport enjoys a big yield of premium passengers and tourists. The yearly passenger activity is over 50Million passengers a year and it seems to still steadily growing, international passengers are alot higher than NAIA and is dominated by full service carriers while NAIA enjoys the increase in domestic activities through LCCs, it's no brainer that they can very much afford it considering the cost of living in HK is alot higher than MNL, if an average pinoy would pay the same rate as in HK train fare, it doesn't seems to add up right since let's face it, the average monthy income of pinoys in MNL for instance is equivalent to 250.00 US dollars or less when HK citizens make more than that average monthy income. How will the Philippine government make this project affordable to the masses? There is no best way other than subsidizing it again similar to LRT/MRT approach.

This article was from @rain24 post in Tourism thread. Apparently the project would commence next month, January2012 and get this, Cobonpue's plan is included in the 1Billion alloted fund for NAIA T1 face lift. We can keep our fingers crossed on this one...( i know it's over a month old news but still the latest news never-the-less



NAIA-1 gets P1-billion face-lift

By Recto Mercene, BusinessMirror

Posted at 11/07/2011 7:16 AM | Updated as of 11/07/2011 1:14 PM

MANILA, Philippines - A newly refurbished Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 1 will rise from the shell of the old, much-maligned main gateway, but still would not provide free sleeping quarters for vagrants and those on a tight budget. The repairs will cost P1 billion.

According to Terminal 1 Manager Dante Basanta, the NAIA-1 had a “dayroom” decades ago, rented at P840 per day ($20) and located near the arrival area, just beside the duty-free shops.

(The “dayroom” is still there, available for those who may want to use it, although it’s not being properly advertised by airport authorities. Most of the time, however, the area is used as a holding room for those scheduled for deportation and who are awaiting their flights.)

The face-lift of NAIA-1 will start in January and is expected to be finished within 2012. The 67,000-square-meter building has a capacity of 4.5 million passengers a year. Last year it served way beyond its capacity—or some 7.3 million people.

The tight space and limited amenities have irked some bloggers who, unable to find sleeping quarters at NAIA-1, graded it the worst in the world.

NAIA-1 was recently voted as the “World’s Worst Airport to Sleep In” by the “The Guide to Sleeping in Airports,” a web site of low-budget travelers who used the airport as overnight motels to save on money.

But Manila International Airport Authority (Miaa) General Manager Jose Angel Honrado said this is not why the passenger terminal is being spruced up; the undertaking had been discussed by various administrations in the past.

Honrado said the firm of Leandro V. Locsin and Associates, the original architect of NAIA-1, is helping conceptualize ideas about how the newly rebuilt structure would look.

Also part of the project are furniture and interior designer Budji Layug, architect Royal Pineda and Cebuano designer Kenneth Cobonpue, who are providing their expertise pro bono to give the NAIA-1 a major face-lift, 30 years after it was constructed. The original design was by National Artist for Architecture Leandro V. Locsin.

Transportation and Communications Secretary Manuel Roxas II is spearheading the NAIA-1 restoration. He held consultations last week with top officials of the customs, immigration and quarantine bureaus, as well as the Miaa.

Customs Commissioner Rozanno Rufino Biazon, Immigration Commissioner Ricardo David Jr., Tourism Secretary Ramon Jimenez Jr. and Honrado attended the meeting.

The interior renovation will cost P450 million, while the park development will fetch P500 million.

“The proposed P1-billion budget will help build a new image of the Philippines,” according to Pineda, who said in a recent interview that Naia 1, like all modern airports, would provide a “boutique” experience, “not so much for its modest size as for its distinct atmosphere of civility and expedience.”

To expedite the flow of arriving and departing passengers, concessionaires such as banks and insurance companies that are now located smack in the middle of the arrival and departure zones would be moved to the sides.

“Flow takes precedence. The proposed master plan includes freeing up the space to accommodate more passengers by transferring the offices and banks elsewhere,” Pineda said.

The arrival area, which had been expanded recently, will be surrounded by glass so that passengers could see all the way to the lobby and beyond, according to Honrado. He also said the wall that separates the customs from the luggage section would have to give way so that natural light from the outside would illuminate the area.

There are also plans to make the waiting lounge more pleasant and to add restrooms, Honrado said.

The proposal calls for refurbishing the facilities, decongesting, developing a park and enhancing the retail environment. It also calls for NAIA to work equally hard on the software, and the services.

Honrado said the National Competitiveness Council Program (NCCP) asked Layug, Pineda and Cobonpue to offer their own suggestions on the face-lift as part of a program to improve the country’s image. The NCCP was established by Presidential Executive Order 571, which seeks to improve the country’s competitiveness from the bottom third of competitiveness rankings to the top third by 2016.

According to the three designers, the airport and Roxas Boulevard need the most attention since they provide the visitor his or her initial impression of the country.

Pineda said the renovation of NAIA-1’s structure would be limited; it can no longer be expanded; nor can it accommodate extra load, he said in their web site. “We will create a boutique airport. With a small terminal, we can show efficiency and hospitality.”

Pineda said function would be the main priority. “It’s not just about adding toilets and rectifying the look, but also verifying the structural integrity of the building,” he said.

The team also recommended improvements in the operations, such as incorporating the terminal fee in the ticket instead of letting people line up. Only those with exit clearances, exempting them from travel tax and terminal fees, should queue in the counters. “Let majority of the passengers enjoy the smooth flow in the airport,” Pineda was quoted as having said.

Taking into consideration the Filipino culture of hatid-sundo, Honrado said the designers have addressed the need for an arrival extension for families and friends sending off or welcoming the passengers.

Honrado said the design team had proposed that the concrete open-parking lot in Terminal 1 be transformed into a three-story parking space and a lush landscape lined with select food outlets. The proposed park will showcase not only the best of Filipino dining brands but also changing art exhibits. A canopied walkway will lead to the greeters and well-wishers’ lounge.

Welcome parties can wait in the restaurants and enjoy the garden so that the lots can also become income-generating spaces.


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/11/06/11/naia-1-gets-p1-billion-face-lift

^^ That is an old news. read this http://opinion.inquirer.net/18129/te...ecision-making

NAIA Terminal 2. Terminal 3 barely visible from Terminal 2, which is only a few meters away after New Year celebration. Air has been bad since I'm a bit watery-eyed, and coughing.

Photo courtesy of Gregorio Larrazabal (https://twitter.com/#!/GoYoLarrazabal) at Twitter
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^^ That is an old news. read this http://opinion.inquirer.net/18129/te...ecision-making

^^ that's old too:bash:

@mwg12a, let's just agree to disagree, sigurado ala na namang patutunguhan discussions natin... happy new year na lang..:cheers:

NAIA Terminal 2. Terminal 3 barely visible from Terminal 2, which is only a few meters away after New Year celebration. Air has been bad since I'm a bit watery-eyed, and coughing.

Photo courtesy of Gregorio Larrazabal (https://twitter.com/#!/GoYoLarrazabal) at Twitter
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/394790_2799495738855_1002379363_2981008_579255830_n.jpg


for nearly 12 hours, this was NAIA's METAR...: as you can see, at one point visibility dropped to just 1000m (~3/4 mi)... good thing there's Clark for planes to divert to...:yes:

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^^ that's old too:bash:

LOL! Ok.. :) at least mine was a little updated than the other one haha! Any news about the plans, please....

LOL! Ok.. :) at least mine was a little updated than the other one haha! Any news about the plans, please....

kala ko nga may bago ka eh..tapos opinion lang din pala? hehehee soon marami project ngaung jan 2012 na maguumpisa. let's wait a while.

Arrived at NAIA 3 at around 10:35am today:

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as much as I was a fan of Bayani Fernando, I think its time to agree that his committee that awarded the "thing" at the large rotunda is crap and it should be torn down and start again. actually its really shocking...even an SM MoA globe replica would be more inspiring...

PNOY GIVES P1.16-B BOOST TO NAIA-1 REVIVAL; URGENT STRUCTURAL WORKS ENSURES SAFE, CONVENIENT TRAVEL


President Benigno S. Aquino III has approved the allocation of P1.16 billion to boost the revival of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) as a world-class transport facility that will support the government’s bid to increase tourist arrivals in the country.



Budget and Management Secretary Florencio B. Abad said the fund will be used by the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) for urgent structural retrofitting and other rehabilitation work, as well as the construction of a rapid exit taxiway.



“If we are to revive NAIA-1, we must first address the structural integrity of the terminal for safety of travellers. That will provide a firm foundation for further improvement work to ensure efficient, convenient and comfortable travel,” he said, echoing earlier statements of DOTC Secretary Mar Roxas that structural improvements for NAIA-1 will be prioritized.



“The acceleration of the NAIA-1 rehabilitation, as well as the reconfiguration of the funding mix for the project, was due to the sense of urgency displayed by Secretary Roxas,” he added.



The Budget Chief said the P1.16 billion was sourced through a reallocation from the Public-Private Partnership Support Fund in the DOTC’s budget for 2011.



Of the total amount, P340 million will be used for urgent structural retrofit to improve the structural integrity of the NAIA-1 building, so that it will be compliant with the 2010 National Structural Code of the Philippines. According to DOTC, the NAIA-1 which was originally designed for 4.5 million passengers per year now services 7.3 million passengers annually.



Meanwhile, P500 million has been allocated for architectural, engineering and interior design and works to improve the airports internal facilities. This will not only mean the replacement of worn-out interiors but also the increase of immigration counters.



To address runway congestion, P300 million of the total fund will be used for the construction of a rapid exit taxiway. This does not only address travel delays but also enhances safety. Lastly, P20 million will be used for the complete rehabilitation of all 72 toilets in NAIA-1.

[QUOTE=chillendawg;87157892]PNOY GIVES P1.16-B BOOST TO NAIA-1 REVIVAL; URGENT STRUCTURAL WORKS ENSURES SAFE, CONVENIENT TRAVEL


President Benigno S. Aquino III has approved the allocation of P1.16 billion to boost the revival of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) as a world-class transport facility that will support the government’s bid to increase tourist arrivals in the country.

when they build a major project in the US do the journalists /politicians say it will be world class?

2 expressions to be eradicated in Pinoy English:
1) world class
2) parang hindi tayo sa Pinas

[QUOTE=chillendawg;87157892]PNOY GIVES P1.16-B BOOST TO NAIA-1 REVIVAL; URGENT STRUCTURAL WORKS ENSURES SAFE, CONVENIENT TRAVEL


President Benigno S. Aquino III has approved the allocation of P1.16 billion to boost the revival of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) as a world-class transport facility that will support the government’s bid to increase tourist arrivals in the country.

when they build a major project in the US do the journalists /politicians say it will be world class?

2 expressions to be eradicated in Pinoy English:
1) world class
2) parang hindi tayo sa Pinas

Napansin ko lang in MOST Airport outside Philippines karamihan sa Terminal ay Carpeted yun andg isa sa nagpapaganda ng ambience fresh look dahil narin sa graphics at kulay nito. ang NAIA parang ang mismong Gate lang ang Carpet sa inaantayan ng mga pasahero prior to depart.

^^ That is an old news. read this http://opinion.inquirer.net/18129/te...ecision-making

Oh yeah, it's an older news alright I knew these already, I have the date when that article was originally written. Was just pointing out that it would start this january 2012, so far, the tag price of the terminal renovation is accurate but still not withstanding the park plan outside which is the other half of the 1 billion earmark for the renovation. But, ofcourse we hear all different version most of the time, atleast the terminal renovation is consistent.

@mwg12a, let's just agree to disagree, sigurado ala na namang patutunguhan discussions natin... happy new year na lang..:cheers:





Well, its not about who is right between you and me. It's all about what statements we already gathered from official reports and so far, what I have stated holds true to those statement including how MRT/LRT is subsidized to make it affordable to most filipinos and that serving airline passengers alone with over 25 million passengers yearly both domestic and international would not guarantee revenues from investors unless highspeed train is subsidized as well. That's a fact, not just my own personal assessment only. If you remember that portion when I said, I was right and you said "yes I know we get it already " in another thread you would understand where I was coming from.

Thanks for the info @Bohol Guy.From the aerial shot (above photo)it appears like the Terminal 2 is bigger than the Terminal 1.Is that the case?

Yes, Centinnial or NAIA T2 is much bigger than T1, it's just that PAL used it on both domestic and international operations, that it's the international side that gets congested especially on peak season such as the month of december when T2 is not really designed for international terminal. It was originally intended for all domestic operations only.

[QUOTE=sloanesquare;87161564]

Napansin ko lang in MOST Airport outside Philippines karamihan sa Terminal ay Carpeted yun andg isa sa nagpapaganda ng ambience fresh look dahil narin sa graphics at kulay nito. ang NAIA parang ang mismong Gate lang ang Carpet sa inaantayan ng mga pasahero prior to depart.

i aaupgrade na nga diba? inuunahan pa kasi..let's just wait and see if it will live up to the world class standard, then critic it. for now let's be thankful something is finally being done to it. ang pinoy mahilig kumontra. mga war freak nature tayo. kala ko ba hospitable tayo? echos echos lang ba yun sa mga tourist..pero sa totoo lang di tayo nagkakaisa? lol:bash::ohno::nuts:

^^
Let's just wait and see what will happen to all the plans. Hopefully, the government plans will work out well.:)

Personal feedback lang on NAIA Terminal 1 (December 27, 2011 and January 2, 2012)

Positive:
-Renovation and improvement works seen on arrival area tapos some parts of the departure area
-Walang mahabang pila sa arrival area immigration
-May KFC pa pala na malapit :)
-Carpet sa departure area walkway (is this new?)

Negative:
-Minor lang ito pero restrooms sa departure area were okay naman pero siguro it could be better. Btw, irerenovate ba ang departure area bathrooms?
-Siguro we could use newer and more improved aerobridges(?) pero that will cost money. Pero yeah, if possible, sana new-and-improved aerobrdges for T1

My biggest complaint nalang siguro

-stairway going to waiting area
big hassle ito especially pag mabigat ang bagahe mo o marami kang dala. Ewan ko if this was a design or structural foresight (or lack thereof). I don't know pero para sa akin, that is unacceptable.

Our flight was Cathay Pacific so diba T1 departure. Then going to the boarding gate, iyan, we were greeted by that dreaded staircase. I was wondering nga kung why was it made that way. Pero in any case, that is unacceptable para sa akin.

I just hope na mag-install sila ng elevator or fine kahit escalator man lang. Staircase only is not acceptable.

So yun, verdict so far. Yeah okay naman ang NAIA Terminal 1 along with all on-going renovation works. Everything is definitely good.................except for the staircases sa may boarding/departure gates.

I really hope na mag-install ang MIAA ng elevator(s) and/or escalator(s). :)


Off-topic

Unsure/neutral
-May Jolibee ba sa Terminal 1.............or billboard lang ng Jolibee yun? :nuts::lol:

Mas maganda pa siguro ang standards ng old MIA ngayon kesa sa T1

Personal feedback lang on NAIA Terminal 1 (December 27, 2011 and January 2, 2012)

Positive:
-Renovation and improvement works seen on arrival area tapos some parts of the departure area
-Walang mahabang pila sa arrival area immigration
-May KFC pa pala na malapit :)
-Carpet sa departure area walkway (is this new?)

Negative:
-Minor lang ito pero restrooms sa departure area were okay naman pero siguro it could be better. Btw, irerenovate ba ang departure area bathrooms?
-Siguro we could use newer and more improved aerobridges(?) pero that will cost money. Pero yeah, if possible, sana new-and-improved aerobrdges for T1

My biggest complaint nalang siguro

-stairway going to waiting area
big hassle ito especially pag mabigat ang bagahe mo o marami kang dala. Ewan ko if this was a design or structural foresight (or lack thereof). I don't know pero para sa akin, that is unacceptable.

Our flight was Cathay Pacific so diba T1 departure. Then going to the boarding gate, iyan, we were greeted by that dreaded staircase. I was wondering nga kung why was it made that way. Pero in any case, that is unacceptable para sa akin.

I just hope na mag-install sila ng elevator or fine kahit escalator man lang. Staircase only is not acceptable.

So yun, verdict so far. Yeah okay naman ang NAIA Terminal 1 along with all on-going renovation works. Everything is definitely good.................except for the staircases sa may boarding/departure gates.

I really hope na mag-install ang MIAA ng elevator(s) and/or escalator(s). :)


Off-topic

Unsure/neutral
-May Jolibee ba sa Terminal 1.............or billboard lang ng Jolibee yun? :nuts::lol:
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/Aklandia/IMG_1355.jpg

I take this Photo last June 18 2011 at 4PM before I proceed to Boarding Gate It's carpeted already that long portion.

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/Aklandia/IMG_1352.jpg
For me the Chaotic scene, the ceiling needs improvement and Enhancement plus check in counters need to be retouch such as paint with fresh look. and the Departure hall is look so Unique as if you where in Hotel Lobby.

Yes i agree nakakadepress namn yun paint color and the interior looks mukhang boring. Maganda yun departure terminal pero dpat lagyan nmn nila ng modern touch

I take this Photo last June 18 2011 at 4PM before I proceed to Boarding Gate It's carpeted already that long portion.

Chaotic ba ang proper term duon sa ceiling? IMO, kasama sa renovation yan ceiling na yan din dahil sa predeparture hall/ lounge from floor tiles wall to ceiling ang renovation.

Duon sa departure lobby sa check in area, I don't think that should be changed, maganda pa din yan, kailangan lang ng hilamos, parang ceiling yan sa hotel lobbied gaya nuong Manila hotel lobby dati.

Personal feedback lang on NAIA Terminal 1 (December 27, 2011 and January 2, 2012)

My biggest complaint nalang siguro

-stairway going to waiting area
big hassle ito especially pag mabigat ang bagahe mo o marami kang dala. Ewan ko if this was a design or structural foresight (or lack thereof). I don't know pero para sa akin, that is unacceptable.

Our flight was Cathay Pacific so diba T1 departure. Then going to the boarding gate, iyan, we were greeted by that dreaded staircase. I was wondering nga kung why was it made that way. Pero in any case, that is unacceptable para sa akin.

I just hope na mag-install sila ng elevator or fine kahit escalator man lang. Staircase only is not acceptable.

I really hope na mag-install ang MIAA ng elevator(s) and/or escalator(s). :)


Off-topic

Unsure/neutral
-May Jolibee ba sa Terminal 1.............or billboard lang ng Jolibee yun? :nuts::lol:

May escalator duon a??? Tinangal na ba nila o hindi lang operational pa ulit? I dont think i've ever used stairs there going down to the predeparture lobby, going upstairs if you have to, yes its just the stair.

as much as I was a fan of Bayani Fernando, I think its time to agree that his committee that awarded the "thing" at the large rotunda is crap and it should be torn down and start again. actually its really shocking...even an SM MoA globe replica would be more inspiring...

It is a matter of taste. You either like an art installation or hate it.

anong kinalaman ng kisame sa chaotic scene?

when they build a major project in the US do the journalists /politicians say it will be world class?


To answer this short question, YES--all the time. A lot of infrastructure in the US is Cold War-era infrastructure anyway (particularly airports) so a new world-class terminal or renovation is always big news in nearly all US cities.

Here's an example from Cleveland: http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/178f8acb8a6541b896b708a3caf59cbc/OH--Cleveland-Airport/

And the term was used with regard to LAX's replacement for the Bradley terminal: http://brighamyen.com/2011/06/20/construction-update-on-lax-airport-tom-bradley-international-terminal/ (whatever is there presently is not exactly "world-class")

Personal feedback lang on NAIA Terminal 1 (December 27, 2011 and January 2, 2012)



Off-topic

Unsure/neutral
-May Jolibee ba sa Terminal 1.............or billboard lang ng Jolibee yun? :nuts::lol:



yup, may jollibee sa terminal 1. sa greeter lobby.

To transform the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) into an excellent facility, the Aquino administration is infusing P1.16 billion for its rehabilitation, the Depart of Budget and Management said Monday.

The Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) will use the money for urgent structural and other rehabilitation work, as well as for the construction of a rapid exit taxiway.

This is part of efforts to increase tourist arrivals in the country, said Budget and Management Secretary Florencio Abad.

In rehabilitating the airport, government will have to make structural improvements a priority, according to Transportation Secretary Manuel Roxas II said.

The money will be drawn from public-private partnership support fund of the DOTC’s 2011 budget.

The DBM said that P340 million will be spent on improving the NAIA-1 building and to make it compliant with the 2010 National Structural Code of the Philippines.

NAIA-1 was designed for 4.5 million passengers a year, but it now caters to 7.3 million passengers.

For the airport’s interior, the DOTC will spend P500 million for better architectural and engineering design, including more Immigration counters, according to the DBM.

For a “rapid exit taxiway” to ease airplane traffic congestion on the runway, the DOTC will spend P300 million.

“This will not only address travel delays but will also enhance safety of passengers,” Abad said.

The Aquino administration is also setting aside P20 million to rehabilitate NAIA-1’s 72 lavatories.

NAIA-1 was dubbed by “The Guide to Sleeping in Airports ” as No.1 among the “Worst Airports in the World.” — VS, GMA News

Mali lang sa pag gamit ng "chaotic" tungkol sa kisame. Mas maganda pa nga ang mga ilaw sa kisame ng T1 kaysa sa ibang airport dito.

http://anti-greediness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/NAIA.jpg

If Terminal 3 opens completely for international flights, what is the plan for Terminal 1? Still international or infusing domestic carriers?

ang reklamo ko lang sa NAIA terminal 1.. maciadong overcrowded... parang laging may mega-sale sa loob ng airport sa dami ng tao...
kung hinde kayang lakihan ung space.. i downsize na lang ung volume ng passengers na i-aaccomodate ng airport.

kawawa ang T1 sa tambak na pasahero.. pambihirang T3 kasi yan oh..

i don't think, aesthetically renovating the old terminal will solve the congestion problem....
for me, downsizing na lang tlaga ang solusyon....

And another question: How do we solve the seemingly increasing chronic problem of runway and airport traffic at NAIA? Recently, there have been a lot of delays. One delay in the morning would create a domino effect, not just in NAIA, but the entire country itself.

What happened to the CAAP's proposal of placing landing lights so that airlines can now fly at night time, in order to loosen up the day schedule of flights?

ang reklamo ko lang sa NAIA terminal 1.. maciadong overcrowded... parang laging may mega-sale sa loob ng airport sa dami ng tao...
kung hinde kayang lakihan ung space.. i downsize na lang ung volume ng passengers na i-aaccomodate ng airport.

kawawa ang T1 sa tambak na pasahero.. pambihirang T3 kasi yan oh..

i don't think, aesthetically renovating the old terminal will solve the congestion problem....
for me, downsizing na lang tlaga ang solusyon....

How can you downsize a passenger terminal???? Especially now that DMIA seems to take a bit while to happen when the problem in NAIA T1 needs to be addressed immidiately. With how engineers and architects can use their expertise, areas can be openned and transfered elsewhere,. For instance, the holding area for deportees where sleepers use to be able to get accomodations can be openned to expand internally. Banks that can be relocated elsewhere in the building as earlier explained in some articles can also be done and to accomodate the surge or arriving passengers. As far as I know, the congestion usually happen at the arrival most especifically the immigration section. With that, just as planned and with the help of Changi experts, more immigration counters can be added. The experts also can study and redesign the flow of the of the traffic. It's all about proper mechanics. Having said all these, I think some of us has been taking these the wrong way, the plan is not entirely about making T1 aesthetically pleasing the objective is to achieve the highest potential possible as far as accomodating the influx of arriving passengers. This means, proper timng and scheduling would play a big role in addressing the problem, the aesthetic part is just secondary which happens to be important because it's the first thing arriving passengers usually notice, the surrounding..

And another question: How do we solve the seemingly increasing chronic problem of runway and airport traffic at NAIA? Recently, there have been a lot of delays. One delay in the morning would create a domino effect, not just in NAIA, but the entire country itself.

What happened to the CAAP's proposal of placing landing lights so that airlines can now fly at night time, in order to loosen up the day schedule of flights?

Is why part of the 1billion peso budget is to add more rapid exits to address that aircraft traffic delays. I am not sure about that landing lights, I think that would also be included, I am not sure if that is part of the 1 billion budget.

^^ ( JIT) Just in time ang isang pinakamahirap na strategy sa commercial airline industry. Talagang pag papaplanuhan ang mga flight schedules para tamang tama ang larga at dating ng mga eroplano sa mga airport.


At hulihin yung mga magnanakaw ng alambre ng mga ilaw sa airport. :lol:

'It's more fun in the Philippines!' new tourism slogan
The Department of Tourism launched Friday the country's newest tourism campaign with the slogan "It's more fun in the Philippines". "We need a line that is easily understood. Competitive. More fun in the Philippines is true. Keri natin ito," Tourism Secretary Ramon Jimenez said.

anong kinalaman ng kisame sa chaotic scene?
He meant cluttered.

I don't know if these were posted here before but here are some old pics of Terminal 1...
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398102_2472683701407_1381838405_32213064_1230847389_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404634_2472685021440_1381838405_32213065_1906005013_n.jpg

Sorry, I don't have the source...

And another question: How do we solve the seemingly increasing chronic problem of runway and airport traffic at NAIA? Recently, there have been a lot of delays. One delay in the morning would create a domino effect, not just in NAIA, but the entire country itself.

What happened to the CAAP's proposal of placing landing lights so that airlines can now fly at night time, in order to loosen up the day schedule of flights?

Mga paputok nga lang, flight diversions na agad e. :lol:

anong kinalaman ng kisame sa chaotic scene?
Refer Po yata hindi ang kisami ang surrounding parang may SALE:lol::lol::lol:

And another question: How do we solve the seemingly increasing chronic problem of runway and airport traffic at NAIA? Recently, there have been a lot of delays. One delay in the morning would create a domino effect, not just in NAIA, but the entire country itself.

What happened to the CAAP's proposal of placing landing lights so that airlines can now fly at night time, in order to loosen up the day schedule of flights?

i'd say the best thing they can do right now is to transfer genav operations away from the airport (and NAIA's airspace)... there's no way you can achieve 60 a/c movements per hour when you have Cessna 152s operating side by side with B747s... not only does it slow down movements, it can also be dangerous for both jets and piston planes...

:cheers:

i'd say the best thing they can do right now is to transfer genav operations away from the airport (and NAIA's airspace)... there's no way you can achieve 60 a/c movements per hour when you have Cessna 152s operating side by side with B747s... not only does it slow down movements, it can also be dangerous for both jets and piston planes...

:cheers:

I think the NAIA management has started doing this... Most of them (gen Av) are starting to relocate to Plaridel or Sangley now....

Last wed, I was on the longest DVO-MNL plane ride...It normally takes us 1 hr 45 mins but ended up landing after 2 hours 30 mins..... 1 hour 30 mins, we were in the vicinity of Batangas.. and the remaining minutes was spent circling around laguna and Batangas... they either really have to extend the 13-31 (which is close to impossible) or make parallel runway or just make a new airport in Laguna/cavite area... DMIA for me I believe is simply too far unless they have made NLEX to SLEX connection already OR they have made a rapid transport....

Mga paputok nga lang, flight diversions na agad e. :lol:
:lol: :lol: Indeed! :D

i'd say the best thing they can do right now is to transfer genav operations away from the airport (and NAIA's airspace)... there's no way you can achieve 60 a/c movements per hour when you have Cessna 152s operating side by side with B747s... not only does it slow down movements, it can also be dangerous for both jets and piston planes...

:cheers:
All right with that aspect. Here's another one:
Does the Philippine government any have plans to inter-connect Terminals 1,2,3 and 4? From Terminal 3, its so horrible to transfer to Terminal 1 or 2 especially Wednesdays and Fridays due to the traffic situation at Airport Road that extends all the way to Nichols. Plus, do they have any solution regarding Domestic Road-MIA Road junction, which experiences high-volume of traffic, not only of people going to the airport, but also those who are bound for Sucat?

Traffic around NAIA has been worse during the holiday season and having a lay-over of just an two hours back then is not enough.

Mali lang sa pag gamit ng "chaotic" tungkol sa kisame. Mas maganda pa nga ang mga ilaw sa kisame ng T1 kaysa sa ibang airport dito.

http://anti-greediness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/NAIA.jpg

Agree, i too find it classic.ang cons lang ay when u compare it to other big city airport is naia 1 seems domestic, maliit lang parang syracuse or midway, chgo, sa laki. Sana nga someday maconnect na ung apat na airport sorrounding that area i.e domestic, naia1,2, and 3
Pakitransfer n rn ung slum malapit dun sa bf home pranque:lol:

:lock:

Post away folks! :colgate:

Link to Thread 25 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=96175&page=1041) in the Archives! :okay:

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http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/Aklandia/IMG_1349.jpg

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/Aklandia/IMG_1350.jpg

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/Aklandia/IMG_1377.jpg
QATAR AIRWAYS ASCEND OVER SLEX

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British Airways Meal

Nice. Argentina Wine in a bottle :)

MAS increases frequencies to regional, long haul network from March 25

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia Airlines (MAS) is increasing its weekly frequencies to several Asean destinations as well as to Beijing, Taipei and Los Angeles effective March 25, 2012 to cater for the anticipated capacity demand in the northern summer season.

The current twice daily Kuala Lumpur-Manila return sector operations will be complemented with a 50 per cent frequency increase resulting in 1,120 more seats in each direction with the introduction of another daily B737-800 flight.

“With this, MAS will have 21 weekly flights between Kuala Lumpur and Manila effective March 25, 2012,” said the national carrier in a statement yesterday.

Read more: http://www.theborneopost.com/2012/01/09/mas-increases-frequencies-to-regional-long-haul-network-from-march-25/#ixzz1j5YI8Hlz

Woman’s body found at NAIA parking lot (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/126313/woman’s-body-found-at-naia-parking-lot)

By Tina G. Santos
Philippine Daily Inquirer
11:18 am | Wednesday, January 11th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines — A dead woman was found concealed in a piece of luggage left at the carpark of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport’s Terminal 2 Wednesday morning.

More here (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/126313/woman’s-body-found-at-naia-parking-lot)

Northern Territory an Asian gateway for Jetstar

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/travel/news/northern-territory-an-asian-gateway-for-jetstar/story-e6frg8ro-1226241385717

Jetstar will run new services to Manila, Tokyo and Singapore, but scrap its four-times weekly services to Ho Chi Minh City.

* New four-times weekly service from Darwin to Manila, Tokyo
* Boost in Singapore service from seven to 10 flights a week
* Qantas engineers demand 'check aircraft cracks now'

BUDGET airline Jetstar has announced a shake-up of its flights from Darwin into Asia, with new services planned to Tokyo, Manila and Singapore.

From March 25 a new four-times weekly service will fly from Darwin into Manila and on to Tokyo. The current Darwin-to-Singapore route will grow from seven to 10 flights each week. As part of the plans the airline has announced it will scrap its four-times weekly services from Darwin to Ho Chi Minh City.

Jetstar chief executive for Australia and New Zealand, David Hall, said the changes would further cement the Northern Territory as the gateway into Singapore.

Mr Hall said the new services into Japan would also provide huge economic benefits to the territory. "We are always looking at opportunities to expand services through Darwin Airport," Mr Hall said.

Discounted introductory fares of $199 one-way from Darwin to Japan will start on March 25. NT Acting Chief Minister Delia Lawrie welcomed the new services.

"It really shows the significant confidence from the airline that Darwin is a growth destination into Asia," she said.

It's coming down! :D

NAIA international terminal fee reduced to P550 (http://www.rappler.com/index.php/business/800-naia-international-terminal-fee-reduced-to-p550?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150496988348821_20767621_10150497043263821#f22ba2fc2)
BY RAPPLER.COM

Posted on 01/11/2012 1:32 PM | Updated 01/11/2012 2:59 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The terminal fee at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) for passengers taking international flights would go back to P550, or P200 less, starting February 1, 2012.

Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) media affairs chief Connie Bungag confirmed to Rappler that the reduced fee would be implemented as the Security Development Charge Program ends.

The 5-year program started in 2007, increasing terminal fee to P750 per passenger bound for destinations abroad.

Only overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) were exempted from the increase.

Generating about P700 million annually, the program funded the acquisition of, among others, surveillance cameras and brand new x-ray machines that can detect drugs, bomb explosives and other organic materials.

In a phone interview, MIAA general manager Jose Angel Honrado told Rappler that the P200 security fee was only implemented in the Manila airport, currently the main gateway to the country. - Rappler.com

^^ Speaking of terminal fees, Kabayad este Kabayan De Castro asked GM Honrado if it would be possible to remove the terminal fee in NAIA.

And for tonight's TVP Text Poll: "Dapat na bang tanggalin ang terminal fees sa LAHAT ng paliparan sa ating bansa"

Here's something better:
ALLOW US TO PAY THE TERMINAL FEE AND TRAVEL TAX AT THE SAME COUNTER.

Here's something better:
ALLOW US TO PAY THE TERMINAL FEE AND TRAVEL TAX AT THE SAME COUNTER.

take away the Terminal fee... thats even better.

take away the Terminal fee... thats even better.

I don't think it's feasible though because the terminal fee is (supposedly) being used for the maintenance of the terminal itself, so nope, that fee will never be waived.

What's better is that the travel tax and/or the terminal fee be included when paying for the ticket (as it is in other countries) to reduce red tape/lining up at the terminal. Of course, since the tax and terminal fee go to different agencies (PTA and MIAA), this might be more complicated than expected.

yep you're correct on that one, plus thefact that the employees salary comes from that ter.inal fee as well. i do like tbat idea about naia using one counter for travel tax and terminal fee if tbe cannot consolidate these with airlines fare.

My wish though is to merge the terminal fee with paying for the tickets, so that the workflow would go like this (as far as domestic flights are concerned):
Initial security check > Check-In > Final security check > Pre-Departure lounge > Boarding

rather than this:
Initial security check > Check-In > Terminal Fee payment > Final security check > Pre-Departure lounge > Boarding

Some airports in PH even still has this:
Initial security check > Check-In > Terminal Fee payment > "Verification Inspection" > Final security check > Pre-Departure lounge > Boarding

Goverment offices just love putting up different windows so people can line up again and again. talk about convenience and efficiency.

In LTO, DFA, SSS, Airports, City Halls, gov offices, you name it, count the number of steps and windows you line up for.

Come to think of it, their tasks can be done by just 1 or at most 2 people.

Keep the number of windows and employees, but make them do the same tasks, so no need to line up so many times!

Line up para sa taga check ng papeles, pila sa taga stapler, pila sa taga pirma, pila sa encoder, pila sa cashier, pila sa taga gawa ng resibo,.....

jusme!

Goverment offices just love putting up different windows so people can line up again and again. talk about convenience and efficiency.

In LTO, DFA, SSS, Airports, City Halls, gov offices, you name it, count the number of steps and windows you line up for.

Come to think of it, their tasks can be done by just 1 or at most 2 people.

Keep the number of windows and employees, but make them do the same tasks, so no need to line up so many times!

Line up para sa taga check ng papeles, pila sa taga stapler, pila sa taga pirma, pila sa encoder, pila sa cashier, pila sa taga gawa ng resibo,.....

jusme!

They should cut the red tape inside our airports and make them more efficient and productive.the trouble is the gov't will have to kick some ass out and render them unemployed.But hey that's what re call streamlining ang cost-cutting.

NAIA Terminal 1 to undergo P1.16-B makeover
January 12, 2012 7:46pm

The collection of the SDF ends on Jan. 31, bringing down the terminal fee from P750 to P550.

Honrado said that by the end of the year, the P550 airport terminal fee will no longer be collected by the MIAA. Instead, airline companies will reimburse airport authorities with the fee as part of the airfare. — AL/VS, GMA News

full article (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/244403/news/nation/naia-terminal-1-to-undergo-p1-16-b-makeover?utm_source=GMANews&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=GMANewsTwitter)

:D
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/382880_289768457736960_104141716299636_795855_1853537938_n.jpg

Terminal 2 and NAIA
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387278_289767681070371_104141716299636_795843_286842135_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375507_289767811070358_104141716299636_795846_2135447667_n.jpg

The plane I took for CEB.
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/400067_289768107736995_104141716299636_795850_1091866135_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/408127_289768147736991_104141716299636_795851_150376271_n.jpg

Terminal 3 from afar
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/397235_289768191070320_104141716299636_795852_1120284452_n.jpg

The other A320 is bound for Davao
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/374830_289768531070286_104141716299636_795856_1297807278_n.jpg

China Southern A321
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/379091_289768741070265_104141716299636_795859_1353035449_n.jpg

JAL B767
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/389833_289768831070256_104141716299636_795860_1367297604_n.jpg

PAL A320 following
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396468_289769001070239_104141716299636_795864_1668731080_n.jpg

and two Saudia B747
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394010_289769051070234_104141716299636_795865_1031061420_n.jpg

thats lame... why cant airlines include that in the fare?

I never knew that Saudi Arabian still has 747-300s :)

and two Saudia B747
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I didn´t know there are 2 747s from Saudia at the same time in Manila? Too bad a Philippine carrier can´t cash in on all that traffic to the arabian countries.

Nice promo starting at 01:30 ~ singit din ang NAIA.

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I only saw that movie for the Philippines scenes, which were all really good shots.

So can you please show the Philippine scenes also ?

So can you please show the Philippine scenes also ?

OT:
I've watched the whole movie. IMHO, it would be better if you do the same so that you can follow the storyline. Aside from NAIA (T2 specifically), Sofitel, Rizal Park, etc. were also featured. Most of the shots though were in Boracay, because the movie title, "Paradise Island" refers to that tourist spot.

P.S. Watch out for the part where they get snatched by motorcycle riders and the Big Hotel. :lol:

This one I guess...:D
VIz8OOEwyxY

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OT:
I've watched the whole movie. IMHO, it would be better if you do the same so that you can follow the storyline. Aside from NAIA (T2 specifically), Sofitel, Rizal Park, etc. were also featured. Most of the shots though were in Boracay, because the movie title, "Paradise Island" refers to that tourist spot.

P.S. Watch out for the part where they get snatched by motorcycle riders and the Big Hotel. :lol:

:lol: Pinas na Pinas talaga, pati yung kawatan na Koreanong money changer. :D

It's just amazing how nicely the movie was edited and the movie equipments they used. The Caticlan airport scene was nice also.

Ok, I'm really impressed with that movie. I don't need to badmouth our film industry dahil malayo pa talaga kung ikukumpara.

and two Saudia B747
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I didn´t know there are 2 747s from Saudia at the same time in Manila? Too bad a Philippine carrier can´t cash in on all that traffic to the arabian countries.

It looks more like a Cargo plane to me see since it is docked on the cargo section of NAIA. Saudia might have been using it for that purpose now instead on commercial flights. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong..

^^ Beautiful Pics....Makes me miss Planespotting..its been almost a year. I love the New Japan Airlines Livery...simplicity is always best :)

By the way I have that Korean movie...I love it heheh I have a small library of Korean and Japanese Films...

It looks more like a Cargo plane to me see since it is docked on the cargo section of NAIA. Saudia might have been using it for that purpose now instead on commercial flights. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong..

Not a cargo plane, definitely. SV serves three cities in Saudi Arabia out of MNL, and it's likely that it was just there so that it can park later at the terminal.

^^ I was thinking that also because the aircraft didn't seems to look like it's been retrofitted to be a cargo plane.

MNL Runway 06/24 asphalt layering phasing this year.

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A little OT, that film made me think: Film making. It's more fun in the Philippines.

Back to MNL, in fairness to the filmmakers, they did a great job of making T2's departure hall look like an arrival hall and T2 being a host to foreign carriers.

^^ But in reality, Terminal 1 pa rin. Haha!

This one I guess...:D
VIz8OOEwyxY
ha ha ha ...nakaka aliw.:lol:

^ nakaka aliw rin ung mamang gustong magpakamatay o suicide for money, pero nde mamatay matay lol

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nung umuwi ako sakop ko buong three seats pero yung food na bimipbop nakakasawa rin pala, super anghang pa pagnasobrahan yung paglagay nung hot paste

^ nakaka aliw rin ung mamang gustong magpakamatay o suicide for money, pero nde mamatay matay lol

hahah nakakatawa yung Big Hotel hahahha

hahah nakakatawa yung Big Hotel hahahha

hahahah... OT ito.. and sa tingin ko masbagay duns Travel and Tourism thread dapat pinost yung movie na yun... but katatapos ko lang panoorin yung Romantic Island na movie na yun and parang sarap tuloy bumalik sa Boracay! eheheh

Originally Posted by RedZitti
hahah nakakatawa yung Big Hotel hahahha

OT last.^_^
galing ganda nag pag kagawa.. gumaganda ang manila sana ganyan ang gawin ng mga cinematographers natin.. pagawan ng tourisim movie yan ..^_^

Travel guide says NAIA-1 is world's 2nd worst airport

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/01/17/12/travel-guide-says-naia-1-worlds-2nd-worst-airport

MANILA, Philippines - The Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) is the world's second worst airport, according to travel guide publisher Frommer's.

According to an article by USA Today, Frommers.com named New York's JFK Airport Terminal 3 as the world's worst airport, followed by NAIA-1 in Manila.

Frommers.com said it based the list of worst and best airports on cleanliness, services, on-time departures, navigation and the ease of getting to and from a city's center.

"(JFK Airport) Terminal 3 is known for endless immigration lines in a dank basement, an utter lack of food and shopping options, three crowded and confusing entry points, and hallways that could have been designed by M.C Escher for vomiting international travelers out onto an underground sidewalk with no cabs available," Frommers.com was quoted by USA Today.

There were no comments made about NAIA 1, which will undergo a renovation this year after it was named the world's worst airport by a website in 2011.

NAIA-1 was the only Asian airport on the "worst list." Other airports considered the "worst" were Newark's Terminal B, US Airways terminal at New York's LaGuardia, Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport Terminal B/C, Amman (Jordan) Queen Alia Airport and Chicago Midway Airport, and Paris' Charles de Gaulle Terminal 3 and Beauvais Airport.

Best airport is in Jeddah

As for the world's best airport, Frommers.com gave the title to the Hajj Terminal at the King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, even if it is only open during the 6-week Hajj.

The Leifur Eiríksson Air Terminal in Keflavik, Iceland also earned good reviews, with Frommers.com calling it a "cozy, little international airport looks like it arrived in a flat pack from Ikea."

Two Asian airports made it to the "best" list -- Seoul Incheon Airport and Singapore Changi International Airport Terminal 3.

The JetBlue Airways' Terminal 5 in New York's JFK airport was the only US airport on the "best list" in the US, for its iconic and modern terminal with the best airport food court.

Other airports on the "best list" are Wellington, New Zealand; Madrid; Marrakech, Morocco; Montevideo, Uruguay; and Bilbao, Spain

Travel guide says NAIA-1 is world's 2nd worst airport

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/01/17/12/travel-guide-says-naia-1-worlds-2nd-worst-airport

MANILA, Philippines - The Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) is the world's second worst airport, according to travel guide publisher Frommer's.

NAIA-1 was the only Asian airport on the "worst list." Other airports considered the "worst" were Newark's Terminal B, US Airways terminal at New York's LaGuardia, Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport Terminal B/C, Amman (Jordan) Queen Alia Airport and Chicago Midway Airport, and Paris' Charles de Gaulle Terminal 3 and Beauvais Airport.

Best airport is in Jeddah


I think that the writer was geographically confused.. since Jordan is an Asian country.. it just so happen to be located in the Middle East region of Asia...

tama ang survey worst airport in the world tlaga ang NAIA di lang naman kasi sa bulok na imprastructura e super traffic din dahil sa maliliit na kalye around NAIA sabayan pa ng mga sangkatutak na iskwater around NAIA na nanghihingi ng limos sa mga dumadating na pasaheros.sana ayusin ng govt pati mga daan sa paligid at ituloy na ang LRT train na e co connect sa NAIA para pag uwi natin galing abroad ay maayos at presintable ang ating airport.:cheers:

The 10 Worst Airport Terminals
By Sascha Segan (http://www.frommers.com/articles/6654.html)

http://www.frommers.com/slideshow/?p=1&group=786&cat_cd=AIRFARE#slide

Travel guide says NAIA-1 is world's 2nd worst airport

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/01/17/12/travel-guide-says-naia-1-worlds-2nd-worst-airport

MANILA, Philippines - The Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (NAIA-1) is the world's second worst airport, according to travel guide publisher Frommer's.

According to an article by USA Today, Frommers.com named New York's JFK Airport Terminal 3 as the world's worst airport, followed by NAIA-1 in Manila.

Frommers.com said it based the list of worst and best airports on cleanliness, services, on-time departures, navigation and the ease of getting to and from a city's center.

"(JFK Airport) Terminal 3 is known for endless immigration lines in a dank basement, an utter lack of food and shopping options, three crowded and confusing entry points, and hallways that could have been designed by M.C Escher for vomiting international travelers out onto an underground sidewalk with no cabs available," Frommers.com was quoted by USA Today.

There were no comments made about NAIA 1, which will undergo a renovation this year after it was named the world's worst airport by a website in 2011.

NAIA-1 was the only Asian airport on the "worst list." Other airports considered the "worst" were Newark's Terminal B, US Airways terminal at New York's LaGuardia, Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport Terminal B/C, Amman (Jordan) Queen Alia Airport and Chicago Midway Airport, and Paris' Charles de Gaulle Terminal 3 and Beauvais Airport.

Best airport is in Jeddah

As for the world's best airport, Frommers.com gave the title to the Hajj Terminal at the King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, even if it is only open during the 6-week Hajj.

The Leifur Eiríksson Air Terminal in Keflavik, Iceland also earned good reviews, with Frommers.com calling it a "cozy, little international airport looks like it arrived in a flat pack from Ikea."

Two Asian airports made it to the "best" list -- Seoul Incheon Airport and Singapore Changi International Airport Terminal 3.

The JetBlue Airways' Terminal 5 in New York's JFK airport was the only US airport on the "best list" in the US, for its iconic and modern terminal with the best airport food court.

Other airports on the "best list" are Wellington, New Zealand; Madrid; Marrakech, Morocco; Montevideo, Uruguay; and Bilbao, Spain

If you can't be famous, be infamous instead:lol::nuts:

The 10 Worst Airport Terminals
By Sascha Segan (http://www.frommers.com/articles/6654.html)

http://www.frommers.com/slideshow/?p=1&group=786&cat_cd=AIRFARE#slide

I thought the ceiling in T3 caved in, not T1...

I thought the ceiling in T3 caved in, not T1...

Sa basement ng T1 near the conveyor below the baggage area.

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=65&articleId=687118

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so.... how goes the renovation?

so.... how goes the renovation?
As of Bandila this evening the Press asked the reaction of NAIA T1 being tag as worse Airport again after NYJFK but they decline to comment as well as renovation is concern it's on going.

Just the fact that the renovation has been ongoing.. There were no reports that the renovation was stopped what-so-ever. They alloted more funds for it's renovation somehow. We can't just stop those reports on NAIA since it was a problem even before this administration. What is important is the renovation is never stopped...

Just the fact that the renovation has been ongoing.. There were no reports that the renovation was stopped what-so-ever. They alloted more funds for it's renovation somehow. We can't just stop those reports on NAIA since it was a problem even before this administration. What is important is the renovation is never stopped...
Parang nakakatuwa...ilang Thread pa ba ang gugulin para ma Achieved ang mawala sa list of Worst. Then to attain status of being competitive Airport like Best in Lounge etc...Skytrax Best in [ ]
When for now Hope for the best Renovation, Taxiway, less Air traffic and more kung Hei fat Choy! Puede bang ipaFENG SUI ang NAIA like Hong Kong-HKIA and Singapore-Changi to name a FEW what do you think PNOY and MAR?

Parang nakakatuwa...ilang Thread pa ba ang gugulin para ma Achieved ang mawala sa list of Worst. Then to attain status of being competitive Airport like Best in Lounge etc...Skytrax Best in [ ]
When for now Hope for the best Renovation, Taxiway, less Air traffic and more kung Hei fat Choy! Puede bang ipaFENG SUI ang NAIA like Hong Kong-HKIA and Singapore-Changi to name a FEW what do you think PNOY and MAR?

Walang magagawa e... Panahon ni Gloria, hindi na resolved ang T3- Piatco/Frapport court battle kaagad, Na Cat2 since 2008 ba o 2009? before pa umupo sa puesto itong si Aquino. Mga complaints na yan hindi lang yan the past 2 years napapansin ng mga travelers, napabayaan na lang talaga ng husto. I think even before pa umupo si Arroyo din may problema na ang T1. Nagpatong patong na ang complaints na yan. I don't think a decade old problem can be magically resolved in just 2 weeks time. Sorry na lang , yan lang ang kaya ng mga pinoy, the past 4 years lang naman medyo umangat ang economy ng pinas, humina pa ulit ngayon. Wala e, mas magaling talaga ang discarte ng mga neighboring asian countries kaysa mga pinoy.... What can we do? Swallow our pride and blame it on all the corrupt government officials. Magkanya kanya na lang, kung mahina ang sikmura, deny mo na filipino ka kung sobra kang nahihiya sa bansang pinas.

Is the picture in this article the renovation being done in NAIA1? coz looks good.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/22095-another-blast-as-naia-1-face-lift-starts

Walang magagawa e... Panahon ni Gloria, hindi na resolved ang T3- Piatco/Frapport court battle kaagad, Na Cat2 since 2008 ba o 2009? before pa umupo sa puesto itong si Aquino. Mga complaints na yan hindi lang yan the past 2 years napapansin ng mga travelers, napabayaan na lang talaga ng husto. I think even before pa umupo si Arroyo din may problema na ang T1. Nagpatong patong na ang complaints na yan. I don't think a decade old problem can be magically resolved in just 2 weeks time. Sorry na lang , yan lang ang kaya ng mga pinoy, the past 4 years lang naman medyo umangat ang economy ng pinas, humina pa ulit ngayon. Wala e, mas magaling talaga ang discarte ng mga neighboring asian countries kaysa mga pinoy.... What can we do? Swallow our pride and blame it on all the corrupt government officials. Magkanya kanya na lang, kung mahina ang sikmura, deny mo na filipino ka kung sobra kang nahihiya sa bansang pinas.

That list was just from comments gathered by that author. Ako man kung mahilig ako mag rate ng mga airports, isang tambak munang mga mababaho at palpak na mga airports around the world bago ko mailagay ang NAIA T1.

Even Mercato, sigurado akong mas maraming airport siyang nadaanan and will list other worst airports before T1...kami kasi madalas, hindi na dumaan sa terminal, pag landing, tarmac na kaagad at tatalon na lang sa gilid ng bakod. :lol:

The premier intl airport - MNL was named the worst in Asia. And here everyone was crying earlier before when I said MNL needs a complete revamp. There you go, here's proof.

That list was just from comments gathered by that author. Ako man kung mahilig ako mag rate ng mga airports, isang tambak munang mga mababaho at palpak na mga airports around the world bago ko mailagay ang NAIA T1.

Even Mercato, sigurado akong mas maraming airport siyang nadaanan and will list other worst airports before T1...kami kasi madalas, hindi na dumaan sa terminal, pag landing, tarmac na kaagad at tatalon na lang sa gilid ng bakod. :lol:
Siguro lang madaling [/B[B]]napuna ang NAIA BECAUSE they EXPECT more than what they want to see when they arrived here especially when they came FIRST from our neighboring Airport like Singapore,Jakarta,Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur di mo maiaalis talaga na madismaya sila para ka nga namang nag turn back the Clock in 30 Years. So sabi nga ng isang Swiss tourist "it's more Fun in the PH" but it's Chaotic here in the Airport.:lol::lol:

^^ You are right, some passengers expect too much lalo na yung nakarating sa ibang lugar o galing sa magagandang lugar. Kahit saan namang airport pag nagkasabay sabay ang ilang eroplano pag dating, it's chaotic. During my arrival at any airport, I hardly notice kung ano pinagbago or what nice amenities they have, you just want to get the heck out of there and go on your way.
Pag paalis na lang after the check in and passing the security saka na lang mapansin mo ang paligid at marami namang pag papalipasan ng oras habang nag aantay ng boarding sa gate.

tama! there has been a noticeable changed for the last 2 years. it isnt schippol or changi but it isnt as bad as it used to be. i even like the touch of "tabo" at the public bathroom. :lol: yung ramp lang pababa pag palabas kana ang hirap i-control pag madami kang dala, tinulungan ko pa nga yung matandang mama para hindi masyadong mahirapan.

saka pala last time mas madali sa mga susundo sayo kasi hahanapin mo lang yung range ng letter ng last name mo eg "s-t", tapos hanapin mo lang then they should b in that area, nagbago na rin yun noh?

tama! there has been a noticeable changed for the last 2 years. it isnt schippol or changi but it isnt as bad as it used to be. i even like the touch of "tabo" at the public bathroom. :lol: yung ramp lang pababa pag palabas kana ang hirap i-control pag madami kang dala, tinulungan ko pa nga yung matandang mama para hindi masyadong mahirapan.

saka pala last time mas madali sa mga susundo sayo kasi hahanapin mo lang yung range ng letter ng last name mo eg "s-t", tapos hanapin mo lang then they should b in that area, nagbago na rin yun noh?

Same set up parin dun sa labas, i mean sa waiting area, ganda nga eh kasi mas madaling hanapin yung susunduin mo plus may mga monitors sa waiting area kaya makikita mo agad sila bago pa man sila nakababa..:)

I tried it by chance lang nung sinundo ko ung kamag anak ko..i dont know kung anung airlines siya at anung oras basta sabi niya hapun daw..buti nakita ko siya agad sa monitor..laking tulong.

Is the picture in this article the renovation being done in NAIA1? coz looks good.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/22095-another-blast-as-naia-1-face-lift-starts

Oh wow, thank you for sharing that. So, there is indeed a renovation going on as planned, January 16 was the start and the date on this article was Jan 17,2012. I saw a picture of the ceiling that was replaced and yes, it does looks nicer.

Here is the picture of it.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z170/midwestguy1/NAIAFacelift.jpg
Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (Naia 1) started its P1.16-billion renovation on Monday (January 15, 2012)

The Naia 1 renovation involves a face-lift of the 30-year-old terminal and the construction of a rapid-exit taxiway. The project is expected to be finished in 79 days, while the whole construction scheme is scheduled to be online in 18 months.

Workers have started dismantling the escalators at the middle of the arrival area to create an unimpeded flow of newly arrived passengers, in expectation of the 10 million passengers the country’s tourism officials project would be arriving in 2016.


I guess from the looks of it, that is the escalator that they are planning on getting rid off to give more space in the arrival section I believe.

Its strange to see all arriving and departing flights of NAIA using 13-31 in the wee hours of the morning. But a bad relief for Mervelle residents. Emirates and Etihad departing at 12mn, an hour earlier. The last heavy to arrive is actually CX using 02-24 at 11:50. After that, its all quite in Paranaque until sunshine.

The premier intl airport - MNL was named the worst in Asia. And here everyone was crying earlier before when I said MNL needs a complete revamp. There you go, here's proof.

Now for a bit of humor from a business magazine I recently read (sadly I forgot the name of the publication):
"When frequent fliers die: if they've been good they go to Changi. But if they've been bad, they go to NAIA":lol::nuts:

http://manilenio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NAIA-terminal-1-rehab-topview.png

http://manilenio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Naia-terminal-1-rehab-proposal.png

http://static.businessreviewonline.com/brnewsitesimagesrootfilepath/File_root/airport_design_network_world_interior_design_network/adcterminal.jpg

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2011/11/cobonpue-300x206.jpg

^^ Finally, development on this renovation, i personally can't wait to see the changes. Im going home for two months in april and may :)

^^ Finally, development on this renovation, i personally can't wait to see the changes. Im going home for two months in april and may :)

hmmm probably by then you'll still see most of them under renovation.. as they target to finish everything by end of the year...

http://static.businessreviewonline.com/brnewsitesimagesrootfilepath/File_root/airport_design_network_world_interior_design_network/adcterminal.jpg

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2011/11/cobonpue-300x206.jpg
I'm not sure if these two pictures are actually part of the T1 rennovation plan. To build that you need to demolish the entire terminal and build a new terminal on top of it.

^^ i kinda love the roof! :)

^^ Parang casino ang dating for me :D

sana mag widening sila ng mga kalye dyan around NAIA pag dating ng hapon ma huhuli ka sa flight mo kasi bumper to bumper ang traffic,hindi lang naman ang renovation ng loob ng airport ang kailangan,kailangang kombenyente rin sa pag punta yong hindi ma traffic,isa rin kasing dahilan ang traffic na yan kong bakit naging worst airport in the world ang NAIA.:cheers:

http://static.businessreviewonline.com/brnewsitesimagesrootfilepath/File_root/airport_design_network_world_interior_design_network/adcterminal.jpg

^^Sa Abu Dhabi airport to db?

http://static.businessreviewonline.com/brnewsitesimagesrootfilepath/File_root/airport_design_network_world_interior_design_network/adcterminal.jpg

^^Sa Abu Dhabi airport to db?
Abu Dhabi Airport Duty Free Yan!:nuts: Baka ma Two Points tayo sa Watergun basaan Meme ng its more Fun na sa Thailand pala! make sure when posting image it's in the Philippines.

^^^^^^^^:ohno::ohno::ohno: sa abu dhabi airport ata yang mosaic tile ceiling finish....im 50% sure about that

abu dhabi airport nga...

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http://manilenio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Naia-terminal-1-rehab-proposal.png

http://static.businessreviewonline.com/brnewsitesimagesrootfilepath/File_root/airport_design_network_world_interior_design_network/adcterminal.jpg

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2011/11/cobonpue-300x206.jpg

please cite the source.

^^ It must have been from this site.

http://www.urbika.com/projects/images/6303-naia-terminal-1-reno

i went to the airport last january 18 and it was total chaos in the arrival area, it was around 4 pm.

my sister told me that they were circling for more than 20 minutes before they could eventually land.

^^ A go-around occurs all the time in major airports. 20~30 minutes of circling is nothing if it's for the plane to make a safe landing.

i went to the airport last january 18 and it was total chaos in the arrival area, it was around 4 pm.

my sister told me that they were circling for more than 20 minutes before they could eventually land.

Merry-Go-Round
Airport Congestion
By FLORO M. MERCENE
January 19, 2012, 11:15pm

The authorities must have learned a bitter lesson last Christmas when the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) recorded 63 arrivals and departures within one hour. That is more than one aircraft per minute. The CAAP said the average should be about 36 aircraft per hour.

With the RET in place, the rate of arrivals and departures should be 40 aircraft per hour, according to Antonio Gonzales, chief of Air Traffic Services.

Starting last November and until December, the NAIA has been swamped by the number of aircraft in operations. Delay of as much as 30 minutes is the norm, while one hour is not uncommon.

Airline operators, especially the low-cost carriers (LCC) are complaining. They said the delays are consuming so much fuel it is eating into their profits.

A Cathay Pacific aircraft going to Hong Kong spends about HK$6,000 (R30, 000) per minute of spent fuel while waiting, according to Ed Monreal, the local manager and chairman of the Airline Operators Council. It should be lower but not that much for Cebu Pacific, Philippine Airlines, and Zest Air, which are using the two-engine A320.

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The Gov't officially drop that Proposal from Cobonpue Group Nov. 2011.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/11/25/11/govt-drops-cobonpue-design-team-naia-1-facelift

The first work to be done

..The project, which has a price tag of Php 412 million, will involve resurfacing the runway and repair and upgrade of the runway center lights. In order to complete the work, the runway will be closed between the hours of 12:30 am and 5:30 am daily, which will allow – if all goes according to plan – 400 to 500 square meters of the runway to be finished daily...

http://philairtransportnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/naia-runway-upgrade-begins-today/

and others

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/01/02/12/pnoy-okays-p116b-budget-naia-1-facelift

Pls. take time to research first before posting.
Its a waste of bandwidth.
Thanks!

The Gov't officially drop that Proposal from Cobonpue Group Nov. 2011.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/11/25/11/govt-drops-cobonpue-design-team-naia-1-facelift

Pls. take time to research first before posting.
Its a waste of bandwidth.
Thanks!
I think the first sentence could have been sufficient without this last sentence. :lol:

There is a marked sea of difference between intellectual and knowledgeable for the earlier has respect and sense of manners over the latter. :D Anyway, good move for them to have works on the runway done first before anything. Safety first! :)

http://manilenio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NAIA-terminal-1-rehab-topview.png

http://manilenio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Naia-terminal-1-rehab-proposal.png

http://static.businessreviewonline.com/brnewsitesimagesrootfilepath/File_root/airport_design_network_world_interior_design_network/adcterminal.jpg

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2011/11/cobonpue-300x206.jpg

rough estimate ko 5 billion para dito, pag 1.6B lang, baka phase 1 lang yan matatapos nya

I think the first sentence could have been sufficient without this last sentence. :lol:

There is a marked sea of difference between intellectual and knowledgeable for the earlier has respect and sense of manners over the latter. :D Anyway, good move for them to have works on the runway done first before anything. Safety first! :)

Yup! Safety First!:cheers: before Aesthetics,

Apologies for the OT:

Respect and sense of manners?
My post is politely straight forward.
No fuzz, no overindulgent.
If you can't take it by face value, fine with me.

BTT

I don't think simplegurl18's comment was mean or rude republicanegrese, your point is understandable either so there is no need for apology on both sides.

In light to the main discussion which is about aircrafts circling around for 20 to 30 mins just to wait for its turn to land. My question is, aside from the obvious congestion, is there any posibility that it is also being caused by runway resurfacing?

I think it is really a smart move to work on the runway first especially that part where they are adding more rapid exits because that would help resolve the issue on traffic on the taxiway and the runway. I also have the same opinion on the remodelling and retrofitting of NAIA T1 because that would definitely help also in easing out the congestion inside the terminal which mostly occur in the arrival section, particularly the immigration section. they need to work on these real fast before another busy season like Christmas peeks around the corner.

I don't think simplegurl18's comment was mean or rude republicanegrese, your point is understandable either so there is no need for apology on both sides.

In light to the main discussion which is about aircrafts circling around for 20 to 30 mins just to wait for its turn to land. My question is, aside from the obvious congestion, is there any posibility that it is also being caused by runway resurfacing?

I think it is really a smart move to work on the runway first especially that part where they are adding more rapid exits because that would help resolve the issue on traffic on the taxiway and the runway. I also have the same opinion on the remodelling and retrofitting of NAIA T1 because that would definitely help also in easing out the congestion inside the terminal which mostly occur in the arrival section, particularly the immigration section. they need to work on these real fast before another busy season like Christmas peeks around the corner.


for the record, I am not apologizing if somebody is here taking me out of context. I am apologizing for replying to the offtopic issue at hand.

+1 for your post.. as fast as the planes can clear the runway, the same as the people stuck inside the terminal can clear the building.\and so as the cargo.

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It use to be the Terminal of Old Manila International Air Co. hidden in the lush greenery of Ayala Triangle in Makati.

yup, airport dati yan

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It use to be the Terminal of Old Manila International Air Co. hidden in the lush greenery of Ayala Triangle in Makati.

:lol::lol:That one even looks nicer than NAIA T 1 !!:nuts::nuts:

:lol:

But wow, who would have thought that old structure still exist???

^^ It's the Filipinas Heritage Library.

:lol:

But wow, who would have thought that old structure still exist???
It catches my attention yesterday when I pass by at Ayala Triangle.^^ so I take my CP for picture and there you go post right away.

Really??? Very NICE!!!! Thanks for the info....

are there any pictures from the on-going construction of the rapid taxi exit of the NAIA runway and the terminal iteself? please post naman kayo. thanks!

are there any pictures from the on-going construction of the rapid taxi exit of the NAIA runway and the terminal iteself? please post naman kayo. thanks!

Its just the interior renov and retrof thats been started Jan 15 as the initial phase, the have not announced the start date for rapid exits yet.

well, if this pushes through, good job P-noy.

thats lame... why cant airlines include that in the fare?

Well, they used to do that before. But when Philippine airlines failed to pay the airport authorities their dues for i believe, a year or two, they just let the customers pay for the terminal fee directly instead of the airlines.

Opinion BUSINESS WORLD

Posted on January 19, 2012 08:07:30 PM

Holding pattern

Vantage Point
By Luis V. Teodoro
If the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA 1) isn’t the worst in the world, it should certainly rank among the worst. On any given day, it looks more like a street during market day at Divisoria district than the gateway in and out of a country where, we’re told, everything’s more fun than anywhere else. The crowds are mostly made up of OFWs on their way back to their places of work in Europe, the Middle East, and other parts of Asia with, as usual, entire barangay in tow, which makes getting into the airport and checking in a task worthy of Hercules.


But let’s be careful what we wish for. Attracting tourists and keeping them coming requires a bit more planning acumen than past administrations have demonstrated. Getting them to and from the airports more efficiently, for example, in addition to building better airports should be among the questions Philippine tourism authorities should be looking into, among such other problems as making sure tourists aren’t robbed on the streets or stabbed in their hotel rooms.

The last time I was in Thailand, one either took a taxi, a hotel shuttle, or the airport bus from the airport to Bangkok. Since last year, and despite the floods that wouldn’t leave the capital for weeks and weeks, the Thais have put in place a train system that whisks tourists from the airport to the central district in minutes at 120 kilometers per hour. That’s a scant five years after they completed Suvarnabhumi and immediately put it among the 10 best airports in the world.

Sure, it may be more fun in the Philippines for foreigners, but how do we get them here and how do we make sure they’ll be back or won’t badmouth the country to their friends and relatives and even on Facebook and Twitter, when, as our neighbors do things that can be accurately described as amazing (as in Thailand) or incredible (as in India), the country’s going nowhere and is still in a holding pattern?

Comments and other columns: www.luisteodoro.com

Luis V. Teodoro is on Facebook and Twitter

We would probably see alot of these articles on how worst NAIA is, but, guess what? What's the use of digging up older news articles such as these that was based on previous experiences? What should be highlighted now is what is being done at the moment since Jan 15 was the resumption of NAIA T1 remodelling and the initial phase for retrofitting it. There is nothing we can do to change the past. Why beat ourselves because of these? There is something being done anyway. It's never too late. A fund is alloted for NAIA t1 now, another set of fund is separated for the completion of T3 , although, i much rather hear that the Philippine government is actually setting up an out of court settlement with the builder. Atleast, it's a positive news towards improving T1 and T3, hopefully by year end, T1 is a bit more presentable and comfortable while T3 is set to be openned for more foreign carriers to move in.

We would probably see alot of these articles on how worst NAIA is, but, guess what? What's the use of digging up older news articles such as these that was based on previous experiences? What should be highlighted now is what is being done at the moment since Jan 15 was the resumption of NAIA T1 remodelling and the initial phase for retrofitting it. There is nothing we can do to change the past. Why beat ourselves because of these? There is something being done anyway. It's never too late. A fund is alloted for NAIA t1 now, another set of fund is separated for the completion of T3 , although, i much rather hear that the Philippine government is actually setting up an out of court settlement with the builder. Atleast, it's a positive news towards improving T1 and T3, hopefully by year end, T1 is a bit more presentable and comfortable while T3 is set to be openned for more foreign carriers to move in.
Kahit saan naman na Public Buildings including Airports and Seaports parang market talaga pila sa resibo, pila sa kung saan saan why the Government can't organized things or maybe because of US Filipinos walang disiplina laging mentality unahan...:lol::lol: sa pila.

Kahit saan naman na Public Buildings including Airports and Seaports parang market talaga pila sa resibo, pila sa kung saan saan why the Government can't organized things or maybe because of US Filipinos walang disiplina laging mentality unahan...:lol::lol: sa pila.

This is why they hired Changi Professionals, to address basic issues like these. I think the author uttered those words NOT because of the unrully pinoys, it's more on the actual atmosphere of the airport being old and worn out, then you lack amenities pertinent to a major gateway of a country. In all actuality, when pinoys enter the terminal, it's the time they started observing the rules properly because none of them can afford to be denied of boarding, it's just the volume and overcrowding speaks for what is seems to be like "palengke" atmosphere, not the peace and order.

This is why they hired Changi Professionals, to address basic issues like these. I think the author uttered those words NOT because of the unrully pinoys, it's more on the actual atmosphere of the airport being old and worn out, then you lack amenities pertinent to a major gateway of a country. In all actuality, when pinoys enter the terminal, it's the time they started observing the rules properly because none of them can afford to be denied of boarding, it's just the volume and overcrowding speaks for what is seems to be like "palengke" atmosphere, not the peace and order.

My first time to go through NAIA last December, i braced for the worst thing that i might experience there by basing it on online articles and some commentaries here...fortunately, everything went okay. Nothing exciting to gloat on except for the overcrowding. The transportation transfer to Terminal 2 was a breeze and PAL being late for an hour seeems the only thing i can deplore.

It's just a Total Boring atmosphere Terminal is all about at present as I said Travelling public is very FASTIDIOUS they demmand a Terminal not just the usual Airport terminal with Check-in to Immigration to Boarding what they want like what I want also is to experience something to share with your friends and family when we arrived.

It's just a Total Boring atmosphere Terminal is all about at present as I said Travelling public is very FASTIDIOUS they demmand a Terminal not just the usual Airport terminal with Check-in to Immigration to Boarding what they want like what I want also is to experience something to share with your friends and family when we arrived.

Then move permanently to another country , say Singapore or perhaps Icheon/Korea, since there are alot of 3rd classish airports in the US and France so its not gonna work for you in these places either. Maybe dont ever return to the Philippines so you won't see what you dont want to see atleast while the terminal is not completely remodelled or moved elsewhere, which is probably forever......, simple as that :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Peace, I was just being a little smart alec...he he

Then move permanently to another country , say Singapore or perhaps Icheon/Korea, since there are alot of 3rd classish airports in the US and France so its not gonna work for you in these places either. Maybe dont ever return to the Philippines so you won't see what you dont want to see atleast while the terminal is not completely remodelled or moved elsewhere, which is probably forever......, simple as that :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Peace, I was just being a little smart alec...he he
Not for me! of course:lol::lol:I refer to foreigners who use I encounter while waiting for our boarding:lol::lol:a little chit chat since they asked few questions and later the story goes it end up to this...

Will Etihad bring the jumbo jet to Manila? :)

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Etihad declares Manila busiest route
Third busiest for its route Network

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2012/01/etihad-declares-manila-busiest-route.html

January 23, 2012

UAE - Abu Dhabi based Etihad Airways disclosed Manila to be one of the airline's busiest route sector next to London and Bangkok as it recorded 8.29 million passengers flown in 2011, a 17 percent increase from the previous year.


The airline carried more than 500,000 passengers to and from the Thai capital followed by London (479,000), and Manila (446,000). The fourth on the list is Jeddah (289,000) representing a staggering 48-percent increase over 2010 figures followed by Sydney, Frankfurt, Paris, Manchester, Doha and Dublin to complete the list of the 10 most popular routes.

“This result, achieved while much of the world was still very much in the economic doldrums and oil prices remained high, is testament to our emergence as a formidable force in the international aviation arena,” Etihad Airways president and chief executive officer James Hogan said.

The jump represented an extra 1.197 million passengers on the carrier’s global network covering 82 passenger and cargo destinations.

Etihad Crystal Cargo also enjoyed similar growth registering 310, 000 tons, 18 percent more than in 2010.

“In cargo, the strongest growth was seen out of Europe as exports from markets such as Germany and Italy held firm during a challenging back half of the year,” Hogan said.

“We launched freighter services into Amsterdam, Cairo, Djibouti, Kabul and Kandahar during the year, increased operations to our key markets of China and India while growing Johannesburg by up to three freighters a week. A priority product Fast-Track was launched offering shorter transit time and expedited delivery as well as a guaranteed service delivery. Expanded trucking schedules within the UAE and new service to points in the GCC region provided more solutions for customers,” he said.

Etihad operates double daily schedule out of Manila using its biggest plane, the Boeing 777-300ER. It plans to launch flight direct to Cebu this year together with another gulf Airline. Only Qatar airways serve the port of Cebu.

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The following airlines will be back to Manila this year: [True or False]

Garuda Indonesia
British Airways
Vietnam Airlines
Lufthansa
Egypt Air


New Airlines to launch this year:
Turkish Airlines
Jet Airways
China Eastern Airlines
Air New Zealand
South African Airways

I don't see BA or LH coming back to Manila....that would be awesome though...heck we may even loose KLM.

is see VN and GA as a possibility though

Speaking of KLM, I just have my travel this summer rerouted. No complaints though. I got my ticket on a bargain.

Wild guess will be Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Thai Airways and Japan Airlines. :)


Terminal 3 ready for additional airline firms by yearend

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Nation&title=Terminal-3-ready-for-additional-airline-firms-by-yearend&id=45647

THE OPERATIONS of some airline companies can be transferred to an adjacent terminal by yearend to ease the volume of passengers at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, an official said yesterday.

“We can already transfer some of the airlines to Terminal 3 (T3) in order to decongest Terminal 1 (T1) in time for Christmas season,” Angel A. Honrado, Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager, told the House transportation committee.

Mr. Honrado said T3 has to undergo rehabilitation before it could accommodate the additional airlines, noting that some systems in the terminal have been left idle for a decade.

“After Terminal 3 has been completed which would also begin within the year, we can transfer [several airlines] because of Terminal 3’s larger capacity,” Mr. Honrado said in a separate interview.

The 31-year-old T1 is serving 20 international airlines, with 7.8 million passengers as of last year, Mr. Honrado said, or 3.3 million more than the facility’s full capacity.

In contrast, T3 only serves three airlines and was designed to handle up to 13 million passengers. Latest passenger traffic data at the MIAA Web site showed T3 served a total of 9.5 million passengers in 2010.

The government has a pending case in T3 with airport builder and Germany-based Fraport AG and its local partner Philippine International Air Terminals Co., Inc., the contractor for the facility.

^^^ What else can MIAA do except to rehash old "news", and make it appear more airlines WILL transfer to T3 when what is really written there is only "can be transferred"... is this even news??? pathetic MIAA!

^^^ What else can MIAA do except to rehash old "news", and make it appear more airlines WILL transfer to T3 when what is really written there is only "can be transferred"... is this even news??? pathetic MIAA!

SSC Forumers Let's take over CAAP mas may Utak pa ang mga nag Forum dito ang sarap nila :bash::bash::bash:mga yan ang *******

Will Etihad bring the jumbo jet to Manila? :)

=================================

Etihad declares Manila busiest route
Third busiest for its route Network

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2012/01/etihad-declares-manila-busiest-route.html

January 23, 2012

UAE - Abu Dhabi based Etihad Airways disclosed Manila to be one of the airline's busiest route sector next to London and Bangkok as it recorded 8.29 million passengers flown in 2011, a 17 percent increase from the previous year.


The airline carried more than 500,000 passengers to and from the Thai capital followed by London (479,000), and Manila (446,000). The fourth on the list is Jeddah (289,000) representing a staggering 48-percent increase over 2010 figures followed by Sydney, Frankfurt, Paris, Manchester, Doha and Dublin to complete the list of the 10 most popular routes.

Etihad operates double daily schedule out of Manila using its biggest plane, the Boeing 777-300ER. It plans to launch flight direct to Cebu this year together with another gulf Airline. Only Qatar airways serve the port of Cebu.

I hear alot of good things about Ethiad and Emirates, infact, a cousin of mine flew with Emirates and Ethiad to EU on their vacation in one of their group tours vouched on these for the airlines good service. Same as with an American collegue who traveled to UAE.

^^^ What else can MIAA do except to rehash old "news", and make it appear more airlines WILL transfer to T3 when what is really written there is only "can be transferred"... is this even news??? pathetic MIAA!

Never know, it may have a possibility that it would most likely to happen towards the year end. ANA started it's operations there without any incidents or commotion. I hope they would have the business lounges built for these foreign carriers who are all full service legacy carriers.

New flight destination from Cebu Pacific... :)

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Ano na ang balita dito? Any major renovation and construction going on in NAIA 1 right now? End of January na. Sino may update?

Ano na ang balita dito? Any major renovation and construction going on in NAIA 1 right now? End of January na. Sino may update?

Opo! Ongoing na since 17.01.12 I just don't no if Fullswing.

Good. Sana may mag-post ng photos from time to time. :)


Opo! Ongoing na since 17.01.12 I just don't no if Fullswing.


Sana si Palafox na lang mag-redesign sa airport:

Palafox included in list of world's top architectural firms

ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 01/25/2012 5:34 PM | Updated as of 01/25/2012 5:34 PM




MANILA, Philippines - Palafox Associates was included in BD World Architecture Magazine of London's annual list of Top 100 architectural practices.

The firm, managed by principal architect-urban planner Felino "Jun" Palafox, Jr., ranked 89 on the list. It was the only Filipino firm included.

"The 23-year-old Filipino practice has doubled the number of architects it employs in the past year and has catapulted itself well into the bottom of this year's table," the magazine said.

World Architecture described Palafox as having built a reputation as a sustainable designer of everything from apartment blocks to churches and embassies.

The magazine also noted how Palafox made headlines for turning "property whistleblower." "He spoke out about the environmental and safety records of some developers -- and invited the public to inspect his projects, confident they would withstand scrutiny," it said.

For the past 22 years, Palafox Associates has done over 800 international projects, which include the masterplan of more than 12 billion square meters of land and the architecture of more than 8 million square meters of building floor area in 35 countries.

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^^ That sign used to say "Welcome to the Philippines". Looks like they placed the new tourism slogan in the most appropriate place :lol:.

It's final: Phl gov't wins NAIA-3 case in Singapore (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=771675&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

By Rudy Santos (The Philippine Star)
Updated January 27, 2012 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - After nine years, the arbitration case between the Philippine government and the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (Piatco) is finally over.

Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager Jose Angel Honrado yesterday announced that the Singapore-based International Chamber of Commerce’s (ICC) ruling in favor of the Philippine government has become final and executory.

In a manifestation filed on Dec. 27, 2011, Piatco formally withdrew its second application to set aside the earlier ICC ruling that dismissed its claims against the Philippine government.

Read more here (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=771675&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

very great news for the day!!.. finally we'll see the full operation of NAIA3.. just in time as NAIA1 if facelifting.... :)

NAIA 2

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NAIA TERMINAL 3

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NAIA 2

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Aside from the roof, magkahawig talaga ang interior ng Iloilo Airport at NAIA T2. :)

^^nagtransfer na pala ang ZEST AIR sa T3?

Aside from the roof, magkahawig talaga ang interior ng Iloilo Airport at NAIA T2. :)

yeah.. magandang maganda ang ILOILO AIRPORT compare sa NAIA2

^^nagtransfer na pala ang ZEST AIR sa T3?

yeah..nagulat nga ako..but dont know the real score..kasi ang AIR HONGKONG airlines nandun din..since nanalo na ang government sa NAIA 3 sana magtuloy tuloy na.

^^oo nga noh.. mukhang Zest Air yung isang plane dun sa NAIA 3

It's final: PH gov't wins NAIA-3 case in Singapore

By Rudy Santos, The Philippine Star
Posted at 01/27/2012 6:42 AM | Updated as of 01/27/2012 11:01 AM


MANILA, Philippines - After nine years, the arbitration case between the Philippine government and the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (Piatco) is finally over.

Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager Jose Angel Honrado yesterday announced that the Singapore-based International Chamber of Commerce’s (ICC) ruling in favor of the Philippine government has become final and executory.

In a manifestation filed on Dec. 27, 2011, Piatco formally withdrew its second application to set aside the earlier ICC ruling that dismissed its claims against the Philippine government.

Piatco in February 2003 filed a request for arbitration before the ICC seeking to enforce its concession agreement with the Philippine government for the construction of Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 (NAIA-3).

The agreement authorized Piatco to build the $650-million NAIA-3 and granted a franchise to operate and maintain the terminal during the concession period of 25 years.

But the Supreme Court (SC) declared the agreement null and void for having been “amended and re-stated” without the approval of the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Honrado said.

The SC said that Paircargo Consortium, the predecessor of Piatco, did not possess the requisite financial capacity when it was awarded the NAIA-3 contract and that the agreement was contrary to public policy.

Piatco sued the government before the ICC in Singapore where it sought to recover at least $565 million in damages.

Its foreign investor, Fraport, separately sued the Philippine government at the International Center for the Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) in Washington.

In August 2007, the ICSID affirmed the SC’s nullification of the concessions and rejected Fraport’s claim because of its violation of the Anti-Dummy Law.

The ICC also rejected Piatco’s claim because of illegality arising from Piatco’s violation of the Anti-Dummy Law, which requires that the operation, management and control of public utilities such as the airport should remain with Filipinos.

With Piatco’s withdrawal, Honrado said the ICC award granting the Philippine government more than $6 million in arbitration cost has become final.

“This final ICC ruling, coupled with payment of just compensation in the expropriation case decided in our favor by the Regional Trial Court of Pasay City, will pave the way for the full commercial operations of the NAIA Terminal 3,” Honrado announced.

Its finally over we won!!!

^^oo nga noh.. mukhang Zest Air yung isang plane dun sa NAIA 3

Zest Air nga yun. It's their international flight to Incheon. :)

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Beautiful shots !! Thanks for sharing with us. As I can see ZEST has docked at T 3, that is somewhat new, they usually dock at T 4 (Domestic Terminal).

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What is that bigger aircraft with the yellow tail ? Obviously it is not 5J, but airline is that please ??

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Zest at T 2 ? Somewhat new !

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What airline is this one, it obviously is not 5J ?

^^ its Air hong kong its a freighter subcontracted to DHL...(see the Tail....A300F4 (Freighter)
Its either that or Transmile 727 Freighter that's usually parked there.


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so many things that are good happening this year..finally! faster progress compared to a couple years back. mabuhay ang pilipinas!

nice pics! :)

SORRY MADE A MISTAKE WITH THE SELECTION OF PHOTOS, SO HERE MY CORRECTION :

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Zest at T 2 ? Somewhat new !



It does look like ZestAir in the middle and the very last plane in the end at the farthest is AirPhil. Perhaps Fraulin was correct, it may have been Zest Air for HK????

I hope they just really tear the old domestic terminal down and let SeaAir and Zest to T3 along with 4 or 5 other international carriers.

Wild guess will be Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Thai Airways and Japan Airlines. :)


Terminal 3 ready for additional airline firms by yearend

http://www.bworldonline.com/content.php?section=Nation&title=Terminal-3-ready-for-additional-airline-firms-by-yearend&id=45647

THE OPERATIONS of some airline companies can be transferred to an adjacent terminal by yearend to ease the volume of passengers at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, an official said yesterday.

“We can already transfer some of the airlines to Terminal 3 (T3) in order to decongest Terminal 1 (T1) in time for Christmas season,” Angel A. Honrado, Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager, told the House transportation committee.

Mr. Honrado said T3 has to undergo rehabilitation before it could accommodate the additional airlines, noting that some systems in the terminal have been left idle for a decade.

“After Terminal 3 has been completed which would also begin within the year, we can transfer [several airlines] because of Terminal 3’s larger capacity,” Mr. Honrado said in a separate interview.

The 31-year-old T1 is serving 20 international airlines, with 7.8 million passengers as of last year, Mr. Honrado said, or 3.3 million more than the facility’s full capacity.

In contrast, T3 only serves three airlines and was designed to handle up to 13 million passengers. Latest passenger traffic data at the MIAA Web site showed T3 served a total of 9.5 million passengers in 2010.

The government has a pending case in T3 with airport builder and Germany-based Fraport AG and its local partner Philippine International Air Terminals Co., Inc., the contractor for the facility.

Any guesses on how the airline lounges at T3 would be set up? I would suggest one large common lounge for each of the airline alliances "hosted" by the largest airline of each alliance at MNL: for example a big CX lounge would also serve passengers for JL,QF and MH while SQ's lounge could serve NH, OZ, UA, CA, TG passengers and KE's lounge could also serve DL, CI, CZ (plus VN and GA if they decide to fly to Manila in the future).

^^I think so. Per alliance ng mga airlines like Star, Oneworld and Skyteam. :)

Most likely Asian carriers muna ang mauuna. :)

Susunod naman ang Middle East at Australia


Tapos huli na ang American at European carriers.


oopppss... Kasama pala African. May balita na may babalik at maglalaunch this year or next year from African airlines. :)

I am sure there are airlines that would be left operating in T1. I have a big feeling that Cebu Pacific and other Philippines LCCs would continue to operate in T3 mixed with atleast 5 or so international carriers which is okay by me as long as T1 is completely remodelled and modernized... AND YES, A MONO RAIL needs to connect the 3 terminal , then expand T2 to help with the congestion in the international wing of PAL.

^^ its Air hong kong its a freighter subcontracted to DHL...(see the Tail....A300F4 (Freighter)
Its either that or Transmile 727 Freighter that's usually parked there.


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I see, thanks for your solution. Wonder what a freighter is doing at a passenger terminal that is not open to any foreign airline except ANA.

I am sure there are airlines that would be left operating in T1. I have a big feeling that Cebu Pacific and other Philippines LCCs would continue to operate in T3 mixed with atleast 5 or so international carriers which is okay by me as long as T1 is completely remodelled and modernized... AND YES, A MONO RAIL needs to connect the 3 terminal , then expand T2 to help with the congestion in the international wing of PAL.

I believe 5J will not only be staying there, but that the mother company will take over T3 as a private investor soon and enlarge the terminal up north side for more LCC gateways.

It does look like ZestAir in the middle and the very last plane in the end at the farthest is AirPhil. Perhaps Fraulin was correct, it may have been Zest Air for HK????

I hope they just really tear the old domestic terminal down and let SeaAir and Zest to T3 along with 4 or 5 other international carriers.



Tama talaga.!

^^I think so. Per alliance ng mga airlines like Star, Oneworld and Skyteam. :)

Most likely Asian carriers muna ang mauuna. :)

Susunod naman ang Middle East at Australia


Tapos huli na ang American at European carriers.

oopppss... Kasama pala African. May balita na may babalik at maglalaunch this year or next year from African airlines. :)
having African carriers in MNL would be great, but it's highly unlikely that any African airline will have direct service to Manila: there's just too little demand for travel to Africa to/from the Philippines to make a long flight from Africa worthwhile. Any traffic to/from Africa would be much more cost effective going via alliance hubs in the region like HKG, BKK or SIN. If an African airlines does decide to serve Manila, expect it to be a tag-on flight from one of the Asian hubs most likely from BKK.

i was at NAIA3 last week and yes, may counters ang Zest Air.
If I'm not mistaken, magkatabi sila ng counters ng ANA

Have all the structural checks on T3 been completed yet?

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Any guesses on how the airline lounges at T3 would be set up? I would suggest one large common lounge for each of the airline alliances "hosted" by the largest airline of each alliance at MNL: for example a big CX lounge would also serve passengers for JL,QF and MH while SQ's lounge could serve NH, OZ, UA, CA, TG passengers and KE's lounge could also serve DL, CI, CZ (plus VN and GA if they decide to fly to Manila in the future).

Ummm... we are so happy about the hype about PIATCO winning the case but let's not forget, there's still Fraport. We can't do anything until something comes-up with that.

Also, I have seen reports time and again that T3 will be opened by early 2009, then late 2009, then late 2010 all to no avail. I don't see any reason to believe this "victory" set the stage for the real thing anytime soon. I can't trust the government to deliver on whatever they say.

Even if they want to and will do so, accommodating SQ and/or CX alone will probably be enough to make T3 overcapacity since they have bulk of T1's flights. Let's not forget 5J may open-up new destinations within the next year...

Ummm... we are so happy about the hype about PIATCO winning the case but let's not forget, there's still Fraport. We can't do anything until something comes-up with that.

I believe the article said Fraport also lost its cases in Washington because it violated the Anti-Dummy Law.

Ummm... we are so happy about the hype about PIATCO winning the case but let's not forget, there's still Fraport. We can't do anything until something comes-up with that.

Also, I have seen reports time and again that T3 will be opened by early 2009, then late 2009, then late 2010 all to no avail. I don't see any reason to believe this "victory" set the stage for the real thing anytime soon. I can't trust the government to deliver on whatever they say.

Even if they want to and will do so, accommodating SQ and/or CX alone will probably be enough to make T3 overcapacity since they have bulk of T1's flights. Let's not forget 5J may open-up new destinations within the next year...

piatco didnt win in singapore arbitrary court the rulings were both in favor of the philippine gvt in both phases, the last being this latest news. Frapport already lost from washington court over three years ago i believe.

this is the whole reason why all these foreign carriers cannot be bothered to move to t3, they were all afraid to get dragged into it but now that both court battles are over, the is a chance to convince them to move provided that the offer is good and the rent wouldnt be more expensive.

I believe the article said Fraport also lost its cases in Washington because it violated the Anti-Dummy Law.

piatco didnt win in singapore arbitrary court the rulings were both in favor of the philippine gvt in both phases, the last being this latest news. Frapport already lost from washington court over three years ago i believe.

this is the whole reason why all these foreign carriers cannot be bothered to move to t3, they were all afraid to get dragged into it but now that both court battles are over, the is a chance to convince them to move provided that the offer is good and the rent wouldnt be more expensive.


I beg to disagree as there is still one pending case by the CA. If they lose, they can still drag it to the SC then to the ICC. You can imagine it can take another 10 years. http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/01/27/12/piatco-no-naia-3-case-isnt-over

oh that was about being compensated at once and sooner. piatco has been trying hard for the longest time but the court rulings has been finalized. this release was just from tolentino and piatco is trying to appeal which is pretty much reopenning of the case. if this is directly from the words of singapore icc itself iwould be worried but it is not its from piatco camp, see how lcc's are all operating here with tb govt s blessing and wiht no incidents so far along with ANA in T3. IMO piatco is just making noises so they can get the compensation right away andto pressure malacanang tconsider an out of court settlement and under their own terms if the can get away with it

Dynasty B737
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Terminal 2
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Airbus A320 glass cockpit
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Zest Air A320
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Terminal 2
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Waiting
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Singapore A330
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Philippine A330
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CebuPacific A320
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Cathay B777
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Philippine A319
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GulfAir A330
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when will the Philippines National Police inforce and descipline motorists and drivers to follow highway lanes in the Philippines. I've noticed the country does not have a big presence of car rentals or foreigners driving rented cars, which is really a multi billion dollars industry in tourist destination countries. i believe it would add income to the country.

at NAIA i have not seen a section where rent-a-car from different rent a car companies are visible. in other countries, it's like part of the trip. when you get to your destination, you rent a car. i wish driving by following the lanes will be implemented in the Philippines some day!

Piatco: No, NAIA-3 case isn't over
ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 01/27/2012 8:11 PM | Updated as of 01/27/2012 8:20 PM

MANILA, Philippines - The builder of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3 said on Friday its legal battle with the government over just compensation for the expropriation of the airport is not yet over as the case is pending before the Court of Appeals.

Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (Piatco) said it has not lost hope that it will win the dispute over NAIA-3.

"We have given our fair valuation supported with proof but government refuses to recognize Piatco's claim on this and the expropriation court opts to lean toward government position," the company's legal counsel, Moises Tolentino Jr., said in a text message to ABS-CBN News.

"Our last hope now lies in appeal to higher court," he added.

Tolentino issued the statement to clarify reports, which quoted Manila International Airport Authority general manager Jose Angel Honrado as saying that the NAIA-3 case was over following a "final and executory" decision from the Singapore High Court favoring the Philippine government last year.



Tolentino said the battle now continues at the Court of Appeals where it is seeking to overturn a Pasay City regional trial court decision awarding Piatco only $175.8 million as just compensation, way below its claim of $846 million.

when will the Philippines National Police inforce and descipline motorists and drivers to follow highway lanes in the Philippines. I've noticed the country does not have a big presence of car rentals or foreigners driving rented cars, which is really a multi billion dollars industry in tourist destination countries. i believe it would add income to the country.

at NAIA i have not seen a section where rent-a-car from different rent a car companies are visible. in other countries, it's like part of the trip. when you get to your destination, you rent a car. i wish driving by following the lanes will be implemented in the Philippines some day!

Its kind of hard for car rentals to thrive in the Philippines, they have to rent it out to locals and we know how these things would go, chances are, the owner would never ever see their cars again. Its not that many foreigners are renting in the Philippines to begin with so they have to open it to locals as well. There are actually legit car rentals in the Philippines like avis, and out of NAIA terminals, trouble is, if you wanted to drive it yourself, they will ask you to deposit a chunk of cash or credit cards which is standard, but, what it threw me off before was the fact that they wanted me to leave my passport and other documentations as collateral. God knows if you can really enthrust your personal legal documents to any of these folks... Otherwise, you have to settle with an avis driver when you rent it and FOR A HEFTY PRICE. Trust me, I've tried it with an avis provided chauffer!!! It cost a fortune and you're only be being driven with not even toyota corrolla but a Yaris for a price equivalent to a limo, then sometimes the driver expects you to dine them with you , just occassionally, so, you might as well rent a Ford FX i think for a decent price from someone you knew already or highly recommended to you by family and friends. Just let your family members drive you around. Normally, foreign big wigs are being driven around by their pinoy big wig counter parts or trustees so they do not need to rent a car, otherwise, the foreign businessman would take buses or taxicab if its safe, only thing is they would reap you off with their over priced meters..:lol::lol: TRUE STORY!!:lol::lol:

Its kind of hard for car rentals to thrive in the Philippines, they have to rent it out to locals and we know how these things would go, chances are, the owner would never ever see their cars again. Its not that many foreigners are renting in the Philippines to begin with so they have to open it to locals as well. There are actually legit car rentals in the Philippines like avis, and out of NAIA terminals, trouble is, if you wanted to drive it yourself, they will ask you to deposit a chunk of cash or credit cards which is standard, but, what it threw me off before was the fact that they wanted me to leave my passport and other documentations as collateral. God knows if you can really enthrust your personal legal documents to any of these folks... Otherwise, you have to settle with an avis driver when you rent it and FOR A HEFTY PRICE. Trust me, I've tried it with an avis provided chauffer!!! It cost a fortune and you're only be being driven with not even toyota corrolla but a Yaris for a price equivalent to a limo, then sometimes the driver expects you to dine them with you , just occassionally, so, you might as well rent a Ford FX i think for a decent price from someone you knew already or highly recommended to you by family and friends. Just let your family members drive you around. Normally, foreign big wigs are being driven around by their pinoy big wig counter parts or trustees so they do not need to rent a car, otherwise, the foreign businessman would take buses or taxicab if its safe, only thing is they would reap you off with their over priced meters..:lol::lol: TRUE STORY!!:lol::lol:

well.. i'd recommend you to try Budget Car Rentals or Viajero.com to rent a car in Manila... both companies allow self-driving though Viajero requires at least 3 days for self-driving..

I've tried both companies and I only leave copies of my passports or ID with them... I do deposit Php10,000 on top of my car rental fee by credit card guarantee...

both companies have good and well conditioned cars... Budget has newer cars but Viajero is cheaper... both have good service as well... You can even arrange with them to pick up and drop off the car in NAIA.... also both are way cheaper than Avis..

Budget Car Rentals is located along Rizal Ave near EDSA LRT station... while Viajero is located in kalayaan ave in Makati...

i was at NAIA3 last week and yes, may counters ang Zest Air.
If I'm not mistaken, magkatabi sila ng counters ng ANA

Your correct. It's Zestair bound for Seoul (Incheon), but I think mag-eend na rin ang flight na yan according to Zestair's timetable.

Its kind of hard for car rentals to thrive in the Philippines, they have to rent it out to locals and we know how these things would go, chances are, the owner would never ever see their cars again. Its not that many foreigners are renting in the Philippines to begin with so they have to open it to locals as well. There are actually legit car rentals in the Philippines like avis, and out of NAIA terminals, trouble is, if you wanted to drive it yourself, they will ask you to deposit a chunk of cash or credit cards which is standard, but, what it threw me off before was the fact that they wanted me to leave my passport and other documentations as collateral. God knows if you can really enthrust your personal legal documents to any of these folks... Otherwise, you have to settle with an avis driver when you rent it and FOR A HEFTY PRICE. Trust me, I've tried it with an avis provided chauffer!!! It cost a fortune and you're only be being driven with not even toyota corrolla but a Yaris for a price equivalent to a limo, then sometimes the driver expects you to dine them with you , just occassionally, so, you might as well rent a Ford FX i think for a decent price from someone you knew already or highly recommended to you by family and friends. Just let your family members drive you around. Normally, foreign big wigs are being driven around by their pinoy big wig counter parts or trustees so they do not need to rent a car, otherwise, the foreign businessman would take buses or taxicab if its safe, only thing is they would reap you off with their over priced meters..:lol::lol: TRUE STORY!!:lol::lol:

I know, been there done it too. What I wanted to say was for the government to push these kinds of means of transportation (rent-a-car at NAIAN) to attract tourists and add income to the country since we aim to be a big tourist destination in the near future.

For example, recently in the news, the gov't is placing tourist police stations in areas where tourists are well concentrated for their safety and information booth. I mean if the gov't make these extra efforts to ensure safety for tourists, then the gov't might as well implement anything and everything that will add and enhance tourists arrivals.

when will the Philippines National Police inforce and descipline motorists and drivers to follow highway lanes in the Philippines. I've noticed the country does not have a big presence of car rentals or foreigners driving rented cars, which is really a multi billion dollars industry in tourist destination countries. i believe it would add income to the country.

at NAIA i have not seen a section where rent-a-car from different rent a car companies are visible. in other countries, it's like part of the trip. when you get to your destination, you rent a car. i wish driving by following the lanes will be implemented in the Philippines some day!

That will never happen. You see, lane markings and road signs/traffic lights in the Philippines are really just decorations and suggestions rather than rules you have to follow:lol:

I didnt know the philippines has FORD FX running around. I know we got ford vehicles and toyota fx but ford fx? Is that a hybrid car? Anyways even toyota fx are hard to come by anymore, theyre almost extinct. Maybe mwguy is talking about another country.

Hey found this video about the body scanner. Is this in Manila? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_2ZWSedh7g

well.. i'd recommend you to try Budget Car Rentals or Viajero.com to rent a car in Manila... both companies allow self-driving though Viajero requires at least 3 days for self-driving..

I've tried both companies and I only leave copies of my passports or ID with them... I do deposit Php10,000 on top of my car rental fee by credit card guarantee...

both companies have good and well conditioned cars... Budget has newer cars but Viajero is cheaper... both have good service as well... You can even arrange with them to pick up and drop off the car in NAIA.... also both are way cheaper than Avis..

Budget Car Rentals is located along Rizal Ave near EDSA LRT station... while Viajero is located in kalayaan ave in Makati...

Oh thank you for this info. Is this a newer company there? Budget Car Rental is North American base so I know they are reputable , they branched out in the Philippines? If they indeed just get a copy of your passport then that's good. I think it should be sufficient enough if they just charge it on your credit card and that identification materials are just merely to prove you're the owner of that credit card and that you're legit.

How do you reserve with them? Call them or they have websites you can book car rentals? I actually prefer the ones that's located at hotels since alot of times, hotels have shuttle services to and from the airports, although not all hotels in Manila have these but I guess you can take a cab or a NAIA taxi that would take you to that hotel.

I didnt know the philippines has FORD FX running around. I know we got ford vehicles and toyota fx but ford fx? Is that a hybrid car? Anyways even toyota fx are hard to come by anymore, theyre almost extinct. Maybe mwguy is talking about another country.

Laki ng problema mo ano? Obvious naman na mix up lang, brain fart happens even to the most highly intellectual individual, BIG DEAL!! So, Toyota FX it is, just say it that way, no need to fuzz. I never bought those or own one, I just rent it from people who rent their private vehicles every now and then. You only see these toyota FX in the Philippines or even the old toyota tamaraw that is sometimes being used as taxi or passenger jeeps as well back in the days. How would I know if there is such thing as FX if these vehicles exists all over the world? PATI BA NAMAN ITO BIG DEAL SA IYO? NAGUGULO ANG UTAK MO at gusto mo pang gawaan ng issue? Ano bang pinagmamalaki mo?

Anyway, I was also refering to that white toyota tamaraw FX and the likes that has NAIA name on its sides, that you can hire at either T1 and T2 whose posted rates are posted on the counter, for instance, from NAIA T1 or T2 to Alabang for instance, usually costs 750.00 Pesos 3 or 4 years ago that may cost more now, you pay it at the counter before you leave the airport so that's one safer way to get to your destination if you didn't ask anybody you get you at the airport when you arrive, instead of taking taxi on the departure level above or down in the street.

This is just a "what if"..

Since Sangley was discussed before and if ever that plan to transfer NAIA there again, they could copy the set up of this runway to add on the existing runway there if that can also be lengthened . This one is from Macau International Airhttp://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20110729/201107290125447667.jpg

I know, been there done it too. What I wanted to say was for the government to push these kinds of means of transportation for tourists to attract tourists and add income to the country as one of the tourists destination countries in asia. For example, recently in the news, the gov't is placing tourist police stations in areas where tourists are well concentrated for their safety and information booth. I mean if the gov't make these extra efforts to ensure safety for tourists so they will come, then the gov't might as well implement anything and everything that will add and enhance tourists arrivals.

yes, you have a very good point, actually there are lots of things that can be done to increase efficiency and boost income in all aspects of just ordinary life in the PHils. If they stayed in lanes and followed traffic rules it would also help ease traffic and that would be a plus for tourism. Traffic is so horrible in Metro Manila , it is really a deterrent for a lot of people.
Lots of areas to improve that these officials can put their coconuts together to keep them busy, but they don't seem to be very busy.


That will never happen. You see, lane markings and road signs/traffic lights in the Philippines are really just decorations and suggestions rather than rules you have to follow:lol:
When I start getting upbeat on the potential of the PHils and then I see how the simple and basic cannot be followed, like road rules and courtesy and throwing litter in proper places I get a reality check.



Its kind of hard for car rentals to thrive in the Philippines, they have to rent it out to locals and we know how these things would go, chances are, the owner would never ever see their cars again. Its not that many foreigners are renting in the Philippines to begin with so they have to open it to locals as well. There are actually legit car rentals in the Philippines like avis, and out of NAIA terminals, trouble is, if you wanted to drive it yourself, they will ask you to deposit a chunk of cash or credit cards which is standard, but, what it threw me off before was the fact that they wanted me to leave my passport and other documentations as collateral. God knows if you can really enthrust your personal legal documents to any of these folks... Otherwise, you have to settle with an avis driver when you rent it and FOR A HEFTY PRICE. Trust me, I've tried it with an avis provided chauffer!!! It cost a fortune and you're only be being driven with not even toyota corrolla but a Yaris for a price equivalent to a limo, then sometimes the driver expects you to dine them with you , just occassionally, so, you might as well rent a Ford FX i think for a decent price from someone you knew already or highly recommended to you by family and friends. Just let your family members drive you around. Normally, foreign big wigs are being driven around by their pinoy big wig counter parts or trustees so they do not need to rent a car, otherwise, the foreign businessman would take buses or taxicab if its safe, only thing is they would reap you off with their over priced meters..:lol::lol: TRUE STORY!!:lol::lol:

What an insult to the locals. :ohno:

What an insult to the locals. :ohno:

Well, I know it can sound as an insult and I'm sorry it sounded like that as if I was generalizing filipinos because not all filipinos are crookes, but let's face it, there are alot of crooks in the Philippines whether we accept it or not. A simple cellphone can be stolen from your own hands in a broad day light, cab drivers would rip you off on a daily basis or perhaps rob you if they knew you're a balikbayan or perhaps a foreign tourists in the least you would expect it when you're being driven by a cab driver. When you own a video rental for instance before like my uncle, even if the patron showed an ID, most likely, you won't see the video anymore and you would run out of business because of these. With car rentals, the rental places usually rents their cars out with a driver to go along with it most of the time and there is a reason for that, your rental cars can be stolen. It's just a good thing that credit card use is very widely used now in the Philippines especially these past 4 years otherwise, you do have to leave your passport if you're a foreign national or your greencard to rental companies like avis which is very unsafe because you won't be able to tell if your documents can be falsified so they can sell it to those who are willing to pay to get a fake document to go to US or Canada. I don't think you can blame me from bring up these issues as it does happen...

Medyo out lang sa topic ng Kaunti I recently visit some thread Aviation around SEA only I've Found out most of there local Airport only is already massive Huge Terminal tipong pang provincia lang nila pero mala Incheon or HKG na sa ganda...so far NAIA nga really needs Massive facelift it's terminals. CAAP mag join ka kaya sa SSC? Forum

Well you wouldn't know until you actually seen four corners of their countries. Surely, they would highlight what's making a statement. Not every single one of their airports are as big as Changi and such, I can understand China since it's a huge country with a much bigger population than the Philippines that China's economy is much properous than the Philippines, it's to be expected they have massive terminals. Check Japan and Korea, you'd see maybe 2 oer 3 major terminals that are huge but they also have smaller airports like KLO and such. So, don't be jealous and don't compare.

Well you wouldn't know until you actually seen four corners of their countries. Surely, they would highlight what's making a statement. Not every single one of their airports are as big as Changi and such, I can understand China since it's a huge country with a much bigger population than the Philippines that China's economy is much properous than the Philippines, it's to be expected they have massive terminals. Check Japan and Korea, you'd see maybe 2 oer 3 major terminals that are huge but they also have smaller airports like KLO and such. So, don't be jealous and don't compare.
That Make sense! Your right depend to needs...in our Country instead of making 1 to 3 they have at least to made each Province specially in Visayas.:lol::lol:
not to count Seaports as well:lol:

Hey found this video about the body scanner. Is this in Manila? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_2ZWSedh7g

Yup: that's NAIA-3 based on that bench outside.

Medyo out lang sa topic ng Kaunti I recently visit some thread Aviation around SEA only I've Found out most of there local Airport only is already massive Huge Terminal tipong pang provincia lang nila pero mala Incheon or HKG na sa ganda...so far NAIA nga really needs Massive facelift it's terminals. CAAP mag join ka kaya sa SSC? Forum
Yun ngang Twitter at Facebook hirap silang gumawa, sa forums pa kaya? Sana naman para may ishare din sila at may maishare din tayo. Starting with Honrado for MIAA.

Si si! Senor Habagat adecuado! ..deben aprender como este abierto los foros y las redes sociales/ Tama ka Habagat! Matutu sana sila para informative kaya nga DOT&Communication:)

It's final: PH gov't wins NAIA-3 case in Singapore

By Rudy Santos, The Philippine Star
Posted at 01/27/2012 6:42 AM | Updated as of 01/27/2012 11:01 AM

MANILA, Philippines - After nine years, the arbitration case between the Philippine government and the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (Piatco) is finally over.

Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager Jose Angel Honrado yesterday announced that the Singapore-based International Chamber of Commerce’s (ICC) ruling in favor of the Philippine government has become final and executory.

In a manifestation filed on Dec. 27, 2011, Piatco formally withdrew its second application to set aside the earlier ICC ruling that dismissed its claims against the Philippine government.

Piatco in February 2003 filed a request for arbitration before the ICC seeking to enforce its concession agreement with the Philippine government for the construction of Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 (NAIA-3).

The agreement authorized Piatco to build the $650-million NAIA-3 and granted a franchise to operate and maintain the terminal during the concession period of 25 years.

But the Supreme Court (SC) declared the agreement null and void for having been “amended and re-stated” without the approval of the National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Honrado said.

The SC said that Paircargo Consortium, the predecessor of Piatco, did not possess the requisite financial capacity when it was awarded the NAIA-3 contract and that the agreement was contrary to public policy.

Piatco sued the government before the ICC in Singapore where it sought to recover at least $565 million in damages.

Its foreign investor, Fraport, separately sued the Philippine government at the International Center for the Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) in Washington.

In August 2007, the ICSID affirmed the SC’s nullification of the concessions and rejected Fraport’s claim because of its violation of the Anti-Dummy Law.

The ICC also rejected Piatco’s claim because of illegality arising from Piatco’s violation of the Anti-Dummy Law, which requires that the operation, management and control of public utilities such as the airport should remain with Filipinos.

With Piatco’s withdrawal, Honrado said the ICC award granting the Philippine government more than $6 million in arbitration cost has become final.

“This final ICC ruling, coupled with payment of just compensation in the expropriation case decided in our favor by the Regional Trial Court of Pasay City, will pave the way for the full commercial operations of the NAIA Terminal 3,” Honrado announced.

Its finally over we won!!!

^^ everybody's happy :cheers::cheers::cheers

Oh thank you for this info. Is this a newer company there? Budget Car Rental is North American base so I know they are reputable , they branched out in the Philippines? If they indeed just get a copy of your passport then that's good. I think it should be sufficient enough if they just charge it on your credit card and that identification materials are just merely to prove you're the owner of that credit card and that you're legit.

How do you reserve with them? Call them or they have websites you can book car rentals? I actually prefer the ones that's located at hotels since alot of times, hotels have shuttle services to and from the airports, although not all hotels in Manila have these but I guess you can take a cab or a NAIA taxi that would take you to that hotel.

The Budget Car rental I'm talking about is the Manila branch of the Budget Car of the US...and it is reputable...

Viajero has been in business for years already though I just learned of them last year...

You can book with them both via their online site.. or you can contact them through email which is posted in their websites.. specifically for Viajero, I exchanged mails with them last year for my Manila trip last December...

i think with the aquino government's "tuwid na daan" concept, malamang posibly mangyari yang rent-a-car na yan sa NAIA and all over the metro or even with the DOT if only someone who is an insider to DOT will recommend the idea.

further, the implementation and organization of such should be initiated and assisted by the philippine government. just like the gov't's idea of putting tourist's police stations, is really a great idea, in tourists concentrated areas to provide safety and directions for our tourists along with strick rules on driving, this might just work for the philippines.

also there should be more police navigating traffic and enforcing traffic violations. in the US, they roam around looking for reckless drivers and traffic violators and they will give you a ticket. if it says no left turn and you made a left, that is $60 dollars, a traffic school class, and a 1 point for your driving performance, which reflects on your car insurance premium. if you can't pay your ticket, the city will revoke your license and you will not be allowed to re-instate your license unless you pay your ticket and take a driving course. tickets will pay for the police and people who can't pay tickets are off the streets. it is as simple as that.

i think with the aquino government's "tuwid na daan" concept, malamang posibly mangyari yang rent-a-car na yan sa NAIA and all over the metro or even with the DOT if only someone who is an insider to DOT will recommend the idea.

further, the implementation and organization of such should be initiated and assisted by the philippine government. just like the gov't's idea of putting tourist's police stations, is really a great idea, in tourists concentrated areas to provide safety and directions for our tourists along with strick rules on driving, this might just work for the philippines.

also there should be more police navigating traffic and enforcing traffic violations. in the US, they roam around looking for reckless drivers and traffic violators and they will give you a ticket. if it says no left turn and you made a left, that is $60 dollars, a traffic school class, and a 1 point for your driving performance, which reflects on your car insurance premium. if you can't pay your ticket, the city will revoke your license and you will not be allowed to re-instate your license unless you pay your ticket and take a driving course. tickets will pay for the police and people who can't pay tickets are off the streets. it is as simple as that.

^^ Good thing if Philippine gov't can adopt it. And the proper authorities who will be given a task to implement such can fully perform their functions with out abusing the system worse the tourist and it's citizen as well. Above all, it's highly recommendable :cheers:

i think with the aquino government's "tuwid na daan" concept, malamang posibly mangyari yang rent-a-car na yan sa NAIA and all over the metro or even with the DOT if only someone who is an insider to DOT will recommend the idea.

further, the implementation and organization of such should be initiated and assisted by the philippine government. just like the gov't's idea of putting tourist's police stations, is really a great idea, in tourists concentrated areas to provide safety and directions for our tourists along with strick rules on driving, this might just work for the philippines.

also there should be more police navigating traffic and enforcing traffic violations. in the US, they roam around looking for reckless drivers and traffic violators and they will give you a ticket. if it says no left turn and you made a left, that is $60 dollars, a traffic school class, and a 1 point for your driving performance, which reflects on your car insurance premium. if you can't pay your ticket, the city will revoke your license and you will not be allowed to re-instate your license unless you pay your ticket and take a driving course. tickets will pay for the police and people who can't pay tickets are off the streets. it is as simple as that.

You're pointing out to three nice programs that is actually being implemented eversince.

The DOT accredited tourist vans are available, so are DOT accredited Taxis. Iloilo Airport has it. Manila Airports don't have yet? That's strange.:ohno:

Tourist Police on Tourist areas, Boracay has it. The Police Station staff and personnel are professionally trained to handle cases involving tourists. I know Cebu has to..Lapu-Lapu's Monument in Mactan has one. It's Academic others sites have them as well. :)

With regards to traffic police and enforcers.. there are PNP traffic police assigned in each MM LGU, the MMDA, the local traffic auxilliares abound each Locale in Metro Manila. The only trouble is while in the US, Corruption is a rarity, here is as normal as waking up in the morning.:nuts:

rough estimate ko 5 billion para dito, pag 1.6B lang, baka phase 1 lang yan matatapos nya
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4278/csiait2aerotropolis4.jpg
Guys Remember small picture before I think Image is taken from Mumbai Airport which is also Undergo massive facelift.^^^^ in a very similar location and Airport features.

Manila International Airport, circa 1964 (http://kintoy.blogspot.com/2012/01/departures.html)

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/391913_101.jpg

Source: http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/22632-roxas-perks-things-up-at-naia-1-in-90-minute-visit
Roxas perks things up at Naia 1 in 90-minute visit
IT took a visit from Transportation Secretary Mar Roxas to perk things up at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 (Naia 1). And do some adjustments to make more comfortable the hundreds who throng the airport every day to welcome or see off loved ones.

He talked with Manila International Airport Authority General Manager Jose Angel Honrado and was able to convince him to provide a “misting” equipment so that welcoming groups would be spared from the oppressive head of the noonday sun.

Elpidio Peralta told the secretary the arrival extension area where hundreds of families greet arriving overseas Filipino workers was oppressively hot.

This prompted Roxas to urge Honrado to install misting equipment in the area to cool down visitors with fine-water spray.

Dante Basanta, Naia 1 manager, promised to install the fine-water sprayer within a month.

Honrado then told Roxas that the ongoing P1.16-billion renovation was proceeding well. He said it would include a walkalator leading from the arrival area, all the way down to the passenger arrival extension area.

Many passengers have complained that the steep slant often made it difficult for passengers, especially those loaded with boxes, to negotiate the slippery slope.

Roxas then went to view the dismantling of the escalators; they are being removed to provide wider access to arriving passengers.

From there, he went to the immigration area, where he was shown a plan to increase the number of booths from the present 15 to 30, to reduce congestion during peak arrival hours.

“We have to see what is actually going on. It’s difficult if you see it only on paper,” Roxas said during a brief interview following the one-and-a-half-hour visit.

He said that he found the plan to be satisfactory and asked the public to be patient since the renovation was going on, despite the continued operation of the airport.

“You can see it’s a working facility, you don’t just close the area because this is being used every day.”

He added that from what he saw at the ground level where the welcoming groups are located, Honrado has agreed to expand the area not only to accommodate more people, but make their stay comfortable.

“The construction started in January and would not stop until it is finished,” he said. The contractors are working on the mechanical, electrical, plumbing and fire system of the 30-year-old terminal to make it useful and functional.

He said the idea of the upgrade was to strengthen the pillars and post, stop the leaks and seeping waters, remodel the ceiling and provide clean toilets.

^^

The most congested part appears to be the TIEZA booth. There is only one queue, one point-of-payment and they have to call your name before they further process your payment. This makes buying foreign airline tickets online for flights departing the Philippines VERY inconvenient. I'd rather line-up when I buy the ticket rather than at the airport when I'm in a hurry.

I wonder: when they remove the arrival escalators, how will people go back up to departures?

I wonder: when they remove the arrival escalators, how will people go back up to departures?

do people even use those?? based on some pics posted here the escalators are blocked on the departure level by chairs..:dunno:

^^ Last time I went through NAIA-1, they were working.

^^ Last time I went through NAIA-1, they were working.

yeah i just searched on Flickr, they are open; i was wrong...
anyway, at what circumstances would make you go back up to departure level??:dunno:

:cheers:

^^ If, for example, you have a connecting flight on an LCC such as 3K or TR. Or you have a connection, but your bags are not checked through to your final destination. Or, especially in Terminal 3, if you want to get a cheaper city taxi instead of an airport one.

^^ If, for example, you have a connecting flight on an LCC such as 3K or TR. Or you have a connection, but your bags are not checked through to your final destination. Or, especially in Terminal 3, if you want to get a cheaper city taxi instead of an airport one.

Yeah, I usually doing that..makatipid talaga..just for instance the rate papuntang rotunda-taft, if you will take an airport taxi it will cost you a fixed rate of 350..pero if you will take naman a cheaper metered taxi sa itaas..mga around 100-130 lang. Pero kung gusto mo talagang makatipid pa, there is a shuttle from NAIA 3 to taft-rotunda, na ang bayad ay 20 pesos lang. Minsan you have to be a wise commuter and traveller as well pero depende yan kung may bagahe ka..:)

Manila International Airport, circa 1964 (http://kintoy.blogspot.com/2012/01/departures.html)

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa462/kintoy2/391913_101.jpg

the Pinoys of the past were usually neat and presentable... now is so different... Filipinos are mostly dugyot. Wearing sando and chinelas everywhere. :doh:

NAIA-Clark high-speed rail project to cost $2B :)

by Tonette Orejas | Inquirer Central Luzon | Wednesday | January 25th, 2012 | 11:49 pm

CLARK FREEPORT—A new high-speed rail project in place of the suspended NorthRail linking the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) and the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) here would cost about $2 billion, Transportation and Communications Secretary Manuel “Mar” Roxas II said here Tuesday.

“The estimate is $2 billion, which is a table-top estimate. The exact amount is uncertain in the absence of a detailed engineering design but the Chinese government said it is open to funding this,” Roxas said. He joined President Aquino in the groundbreaking rites here for the Philippine Academy for Aviation Training of Cebu Pacific and the Canadian aviation company CAE.

The preliminary cost of the proposed new rail is double the revised cost of the NorthRail, a report showed.

Roxas said talks between the Philippine and Chinese governments have been continuing since Chinese officials informed the government last year that it could provide bigger funding for a high-speed rail.

Read More: http://business.inquirer.net/41423/naia-clark-high-speed-rail-project-to-cost-2b

that amount is rediculously high..you might as well give that money to the poor..mapapakinabangan pa. to build or expand NAIA will not cost half that amount.