Did anybody save the pictures we had?? They were awesome. Please post updates and pictures regarding the delayed opening of this world-class terminal.

Grey X, I have ALL of them :colgate:,
but don't know how to post them? :dunno:

are they in your hard-drive or you have links to them?

if they are in your hard-drive, you have to find a host to hotlink them. One reasonable place is imagestation.com. After uploading the pictures, right click on them and go to properties. Copy the url (make sure it ends with .jpg or .gif, etc) and click on the IMG tab when you are posting on ssc. Paste the url on the IMG tab and then submit post!:)

I have the ones from SOM. But the pictures posted by someone are gone... maybe Jemini, you can post them

This is the best airport our country never had - or is at least being deprived of. :bleep:

Boybaha replaced the pics I posted with the larger versions down there...

Larger versions of above pics.
http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy1_498.jpg

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy2_498.jpg

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy3_498.jpg

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy4_498.jpg

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy5_498.jpg

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy6_498.jpg

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy7_498.jpg

i agree with Lance/Absent-Minded, we are being deprived of a world-class airport. :bash: :bleep: :rant:

They should just open it already!

i really hope that NAIA 3 would be operational very soon!

hope it would be open when i get there may 1 or atleast when i leave on may 25. :)

anyone want to share some photos of NAIA 2?

Not much chance of that happening, Edmund. It is scheduled (again) to open on June or July of this year....Hopefully the government keeps its word this time.

Originally posted by boybaha

Larger versions of above pics.
http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy1_498.jpg

notice the road under the raised "driveway" thingy... it's all stained brown and stuff. and the poles/posts supporting that raised flyover thingy hasn't been completely painted...

well those pics are quite dated, so by now they might have fixed those things, for the proposed opening in July. :bleep:

Do u guys have technical info about the terminal? Like its handling capacity and such? Thanks! ;)

Here's the info from SOM.com. I don't know where to find the technical stuff. It's really a shame it's tied up in government red tape and in the justice system. It's already built and the FIlipinos are not benefitting from it. :bleep:

The SOM writeup says it's one of 2 new terminals planned. Where will the 2nd new terminal be? I haven't heard of this? Or are they referring to NAIA II? Already built (not by SOM) and already to capacity.

from SOM:

Philippine International Terminals Co., Inc. (PIATCO) commissioned SOM to design a new international passenger terminal (IPT3) at Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport. SOM is part of a team led by Pacific Consultants International (PCI) to design the project. The 1,890,000 sf (182,000 sm) terminal is the Philippines' first fully-privatized commercial airport development. It is one of two new terminals planned at NAIA that will increase the airport's capacity from six to ten million passengers a year.

The siting of the new Terminal building reinforces its importance as a symbolic gateway to the Philippines. It is immediately visible on arrival at the site by car or public transit. This location allows maximum flexibility to expand the Terminal to the south. It also provides substantial curbside space for meeters and greeters, with direct access to the Fiesta Duty Free Mall and the Terminal's Food Pavilion.

In concept, the new Terminal responds to the Philippine climate by sheltering the departure curbside area with an extensive canopy. This dramatic linear enclosure also covers the curbside areas of the Fiesta Duty Free Mall and the Hotel's courtyard-like drop-off area. It gives a sense of unity to the entire complex, providing shade and weather protection for passengers and visitors on a year-round basis.

Hm...how does this project compare to the current terminals in terms of passenger capacity and so on?

The terminal def looks clean and modern.

However, I've never seen one so empty! lol (http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy2_498.jpg)

here's some info I got from the MIAA (Manila International Airport Authority) website...

Terminal 3

In 1990, the Manila International Airport Authority commissioned Aeroport de Paris to conduct the NAIA Master Plan Study which assessed Manila's need for new terminal due to th growing volume of international travel to and form the Philippines. In keeping with this study, International Passenger Terminal 3 is being built to accomodate 13 million passengers annually. When operational , comes December 2002 IPT shall accommodate all international traffic.

The NAIA Terminal 3, part of the 1990 MIAA Airport Master Plan, is undergoing construction at the 65-hectare property on the Villamor Airbase side near runway 13-31 and will have a capacity of 10 to 14 million passengers.

In 1997, the Government of th Republic of the Philippines awarded the build-operate-transfer contract of NAIA IPT 3 Project to the Philippine Air Terminals Co. Inc. PIATCO is a consortium of Philippine, German, Japanese and Singaporean companies name Philippine Airport Ground Services Terminal Inc., Peoples Air Cargo and Warehousing Co., Fraport AG Frankport Airport Service Worldwide, SB Airport Investment and the Nissho Iwai Corporation.

It is envisioned that the NAIA Terminal 3, undergoing construction under a Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) scheme (under Republic Act 6957, amended by Republic Act No. 7718), an act authorizing the financing, construction, operation and maintenance of infrastructure projects by the private sector and for other purposes, will be operational by year 2002. The People's Air Cargo and Warehousing Co., Inc. (PAIRCARGO), which has formed a Php10 Billion company- the Philippine International Airport Terminal, Inc. (PIATCO), qualified for the BOT Concession of the NAIA Terminal 3, as per the requirements of the Department of Transportation and Communications.

NAIA IPT 3 is part of the Philippines moving forward into a new Millennium. It is committed to a high level of quality beffiting the new entryway to the Nation and the Nation's gateway to the rest of the world.

The main terminal building is designed to symbolize Philippine progress. NAIA IPT 3 will be a formidable structure, immediately visible upon entry form the main access road.

The NAIA IPT 3 will serve as a catalyst for the development of the site itself and adjacent areas such as establishments that will provide a broad range of services that will cater to international travelers and general public.

With its offer to the wide variety of attractions, NAIA and its surroundings will be transformed into a major destination within Metro Manila.

Facts at a glance

>> US$ 500 million facility
>> 13 million passenger annually
>> 1.1 kilometers building structure from end to end
>> 65-hectare site
>> 20,000-sqm shopping center
>> 140 check-in counters
>> 118 immigration counters
>> 40 customs counter
>> 9 moving walkways
>> 2,000-car covered car park
>> 1,200-car outdoor car park

Facilities

>> 4-storey shopping mall
>> Duty free shops
>> Conference facilities
>> Food Court
>> Ecumenical chapel

Infra-Support Facilities

>> NAIA Expressway
>> Surface Road Improvement
>> Fuel Farm
>> Terminal 2 and 3 surface connection
>> Monorail connection
>> 80 Megawalt Meralco Electric Power Substation

Percent Accomplishment

>> 92.00% as of May 2002
>> Soft opening on November 25, 2002
>> Full operation on November 26, 2002
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I think construction work was stopped when the gov't and Piatco's legal dispute began, so til now it's only 90+% done...

I read somewhere that last time this guy (the writer) passed by there, a lot of the construction was left alone and so he estimated some $2M would be needed to finish up the unfinished work that had been destroyed naturally...

Some of the unfinished parts probably deteriorated because of the weather or something. All I care is that they get the thing opened before the end of the year...!!

Originally posted by renell

well those pics are quite dated, so by now they might have fixed those things, for the proposed opening in July. :bleep:

but didn't they stop the construction when the thing between the gov't and Piatco started? how many percent of the the terminal is already complete?

Gov't to tap appraiser for NAIA terminal 3
Posted: 7:51 AM | Mar. 03, 2004

THE GOVERNMENT has agreed in principle to hire an independent appraiser to determine just compensation to be paid to Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (PIATCo) for the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) passenger terminal 3.

Transport Secretary Leandro Mendoza said that President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo remained keen on opening NAIA 3 during her current term which ends in June.

"I think it is easy to open NAIA 3 as long as we resolve the compensation issue," Mendoza said.

Mendoza said the government and PIATCo have "informally agreed" to get a third party assessor to determine not only how much should the consortium be reimbursed but also to assess whether NAIA 3 was built according to design and specifications.

The new airport terminal would need additional funds to make it operational and the government intends to deduct these incremental costs from the just compensation demanded by PIATCo.

Mendoza noted that the main problem with the PIATCo contract was that it was "overpriced" which was why the government was cautious in naming a price to the consortium.

The Supreme Court on Jan. 21 "denied with finality" an appeal by PIATCo to reverse the high tribunal's May 2003 ruling voiding the consortium's controversial contract for the NAIA 3, citing irregularities in the bidding and onerous provisions of the contract.

The SC ruling unequivocally placed on the government the duty to pay PIATCo before taking over the project.

yeah open the airport already!

what happpend to my number of posts.. why its only 129.. i have like 700+

umm.. heard of the super-hack-attack yet?:? ;)

anyways, i hope GMA closes it before the end of her "care-taker" term.

Originally posted by renell

umm.. heard of the super-hack-attack yet?:? ;)

anyways, i hope GMA closes it before the end of her "care-taker" term.
nope.. i havent been on for awhile thats y:bleep:

Only now u found out?? We lost everything!:mad:

All very informative info...Thanks for posting. There is a big possibility i will open in june since it is the end of GMA current term. Airport looks real lonely all empty right now.

just like skyway.. wasn't that one opened during the early days of the Estrade presidency, but actually Ramos planned and started it?

Originally posted by renell

just like skyway.. wasn't that one opened during the early days of the Estrade presidency, but actually Ramos planned and started it?

Yeah just like MRT 3. Estrada took credit for the MRT 3. :tongue2:
but this time, GMA is opening before her term ends. Besides, she might be the next president too, hope so.:)

i also do hope GMA would be the president again :)

well i wanted to sound neutral. therefore the term "caretaker" presidency..

PAL calls for speedy opening of NAIA 3

Philippine Airlines (PAL) reiterated its call for the immediate opening of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 3 following Wednesday’s power outage in NAIA Terminal 2.

The country’s flag carrier complained that the brownout, which lasted for about 14 hours, adversely affected its operation, delaying its 35 domestic and 19 international flights scheduled on that day.

A source said there would not have been any interruptions in PAL’s operation last Wednesday had the new airport been opened.

“At least we have another airport to divert flights to,” the source said. “We’re as much a victim here as the passengers whose flights were delayed.”

A PAL insider explained that NAIA 3, will give the flag carrier more room to adjust operations in case a similar incident happens again.

The operation of PAL’s international flights will be transferred to NAIA 3, while domestic operations will be retained at the Centennial terminal.

After last Wednesday’s incident, PAL said it had dispatched only 40 percent of its 35 domestic and 19 international flights.

The opening of the new airport terminal has been postponed after the Supreme Court voided in May 2003 the build-operate-transfer contract that the Ramos administration signed with Philippine International Air Terminal Co. Inc. (Piatco). L. Lectura

yeah! i really wish that the gov't get their act going and solve this matter asap because airport is the first thing that a visitor see when visiting a country!

tourists are already hot and sweaty visiting the sights in the city, they dont need any more hot and sweat in the airport ;)

Exactly...that brownout was a small wake up call for the govt to open NAIA 3. I'm sure they will reach their opening date this time...

That article makes things clearer now. so PAL international will move to NAIA 3 while domestic will stay in NAIA 2. Maybe the other domestic flights from Cebu Pacific and Air Philippines will move to NAIA 2.

ive heard scary stuff about domestic terminal.. they better move from there,lol

Yeah they should...if not move to NAIA 2, move to NAIA 1 its better than the old domestic terminal:D

well any move away from the old domestic is good

i thought pal does not want to move at naia3??? they want to stick it out in naia2 for their sole use

Well, it seems like they changed their mind. So NAIA 3 will be all international (PAL and foreign) NAIA 2 will be all domestic (PAL, Cebu Pacific, Air Philippines, etc.) and NAIA 1 will be??

Check out this rendering i found:
http://www.meinhardtgroup.com/media/userimages/imageB3265871524.jpg

Here are two images from the SOM website that havent been posted.

http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy9_498.jpg
http://www.som.com/resources/projects/4/9/8/ninoy8_498.jpg

i went in NAIA1, then going to Manila, i passed by Villamor and NAIA3..oh what a building waiting to be used, waiting......:(

i went in NAIA1, then going to Manila, i passed by Villamor and NAIA3..oh what a building waiting to be used, waiting......:(

yeah i know...i always go through there, on the way to my condo... It seriously is a terminal waiting to be opened...

yeah i know...i always go through there, on the way to my condo... It seriously is a terminal waiting to be opened...

but i think we have to wait until they finish expanding the Villamore interchange in SLEX..

is it currently u/c?? And are they building a highway from SLEX to NAIA 3?

is it currently u/c?? And are they building a highway from SLEX to NAIA 3?

i dont think there's a need for that, SLEX and NAIA3 arent that far apart. but that interchange in Villamor is quite small, therefore expansion of the road is underway. although im not sure how it will look like. try checking the DPWH site or the PNCC

cool renderings and pictures! thanks guys! really cant wait for NAIA 3 to open and show the tourists that we do have a nice airport. NAIA 1 is just so outdated and no maintenance. kinna embarassed to my 2 american friends when we land to NAIA 1 this month.

yeah... I saw on the papers a few weeks ago a notice about re-routing traffic somewhere on the SLEX to accomodate the construction of the NAIA interchange...

I also saw a live aerial of NAIA 3 on my flight last march 29 coming to Vancouver and it looked freakin huge!!! amazingly nice and modern too...!! I soo fudging want the thing to be opened when we get back in May...!!!!

Well, it seems like they changed their mind. So NAIA 3 will be all international (PAL and foreign) NAIA 2 will be all domestic (PAL, Cebu Pacific, Air Philippines, etc.) and NAIA 1 will be??

well i dont want the governement gonna do with it, perhaps they will think of a plan to make use of that for some other purposes or better destoyed the existing structure and put something like a hotel or a hangar to service airliners

why dont they open now the airport so revenues starts coming in, and later they can talk about compensation, its already been decided by teh supremen court that the government cant jst open the aiport without just compensation to piatco, thats the only issue that keeping the airport from opening

i dont think there's a need for that, SLEX and NAIA3 arent that far apart. but that interchange in Villamor is quite small, therefore expansion of the road is underway. although im not sure how it will look like. try checking the DPWH site or the PNCC

ok ok...thanks. I thought they were building a highway to NAIA 3, which made we wonder why since the Villamor road is quite wide. So good they are upgrading the interchange there to improve traffic flow.

that interchange reconstruction might take a couple more months, so maybe by the end of this year. unless more shit happens

Since it is already u/c i dont think shit will happen. They wont let that happen coz it will distrupt traffic.

well i dont want the governement gonna do with it, perhaps they will think of a plan to make use of that for some other purposes or better destoyed the existing structure and put something like a hotel or a hangar to service airliners

I disagree with the plan to demolish NAIA 1 and build a mall. We already have lots of malls, why do we need another one here? Besides, it will compromise security by having a mall in the airport grounds. I think they should build airport facilities such as hangers, communication infrastructure, sorting stations for cargo, etc... Or they could just renovate it and make it a domestic terminal.

well i can tell you nothing's gonna be changed to it as long as there are still passengers boarding there;) imo it's a bit too premature to talk about what's to do with NAIA1, when the gov't still has to decide what to do with NAIA1 :bash:

yeah your right. But we did hear plans of turning it into a mall, earlier.

well, maybe they could make NAIA 1 into another domestic terminal. the design itself is good - locsin. but the layout needs to be replan.

or they could use NAIA 1 as a purely cargo terminal to compensate for the one they were supposed to build at NAIA 3...

what A-M said is the most logical idea imo, because i heard NAIA3 does lack a cargo terminal

I agree...as long as it is aviation related it would be a good plan. A cargo terminal is needed so thats what they should do with NAIA 1

i agree also, anything related to cargo as long as not another mall

a mall is a dumb-ass idea. im surprised they ever thought of that

i agree....mall just create traffic and we have enough traffic in the airport

i agree....mall just create traffic and we have enough traffic in the airport

yeah, and theres also a security factor

i agree, the security factor also.

so nay update on NAIA 3?

just can't wait to see the opening of terminal3. if the gov't doesn't have the money to pay up to the germans and other investors the philippine gov't should just let them operate the terminal like it was frist plan. i just feel bad for the investors cause the terminal was 98% complete when president gloria arroyo revoke the contract and thought of an alibi that the contract was erroneous. she is more corrupt than erap! can't wait to see her out of office. now she wants the main international airport in the philippines to be at clark cause the airport is name after her father. maybe if she is reelected terminal3 will never be open?

TRAFFIC SCHEME FOR NAIA EXPRESSWAY PROJECT

A new traffic measure will be implemented starting March 17, 2004 (Wednesday) to minimize the adverse impact of closure to vehicular traffic of Sales on and off northbound ramps due to construction of NAIA Expressway Project Phase 1 by the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) in coordination with the Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA), Philippine National Construction Corporation (PNCC) and Toll Regulatory Board (TRB).

Vehicles coming from Villamor Airbase area going north towards Manila/Makati area are advised to take south-east access loop on to South Luzon Expressway northbound or take Pasong Tamo Extension northbound.

On the otherhand, vehicles traversing the South Luzon Expressway from the south going to Villamor Airbase are advised to exit at C-5, U-turn to East Service Road and left at Sales or take the Magallanes loop to South Luzon Expressway southbound to Villamor Airbase.

Motorists going to South Luzon Expressway from the south going to Pasay, Makati and Manila are advised to take alternate routes or take the elevated Skyway.

Private vehicles are encouraged to take designated alternate routes. For southbound vehicles coming from Manila/Makati, take the Roxas Boulevard/Macapagal Avenue alternative route by turning right either at Sen. Gil Puyat Avenue or EDSA from South Luzon Expressway then the Roxas Boulevard or Macapagal Avenue to Sucat Road or use the Skyway via Buendia on-ramp. Another option is to utilize the Fort Bonifacio Road by turning left at Buendia then right at Ayala straight to McKinley all the way to C-5 Road.

Northbound vehicles coming from the Alabang-Muntinlupa areas can use Roxas Boulevard/Macapagal Avenue and C-5 Road by exiting either at Alabang or Sucat towards westbound direction all the way to Roxas Boulevard/Macapagal Avenue area via MIA Road or take Alabang-Zapote Road to proceed to Roxas Boulevard or Macapagal Avenue via Coastal Expressway or take the elevated Skyway via the Bicutan on-ramp.

Additional traffic management strategy to minimize impact of the construction activities to traffic in the area is the implementation of counterflow scheme, on a need basis, along South Luzon Expressway in the Nichols/Sales area starting May 1 to July 31, 2004.

In addition, the AFPOVAI Road was opened to traffic as by-pass/alternate route connecting Pasong Tamo Extension and East Service Road.

NAIA Expressway Phase 1 project consists of the construction of Sales Interchange improvement which involves road and bridge widening works (package 1), the Skyway connection ramps 1 and 4 (package 2), and the Skyway connection ramps 2 and 3 (package 3).

DPWH Secretary Florante Soriquez said that the NAIA Expressway Project is an
important priority undertaking of the Macapagal-Arroyo administration to relieve traffic congestion at the vicinity of airport terminals.

The newly constructed NAIA Terminal 3 when operational is expected to generate larger traffic volume, hence, the timely provision of adequate road access has become critical.

Also, the project will facilitate high-speed, reliable, and safe road travel to help further boost tourism in the Philippines.
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I guess this confirms the NAIA Expressway's construction... sound nice. hope it'll be done soon so NAIA 3 can finally be attempted to be opened by the gov't.

yeah, and theres also a security factor
How the the terminal plan to deal with the security issue?

Yup, confirms the construction of a new interchange for the NAIA 3 airport. A good project, to relieve traffic congestion. Also a sign that the airport will open very soon.

@ huaiwei, renell means that if they build a new mall over the old NAIA 1 terminal, then the security in the airport grounds will be compromised. It wont be safe to have a mall right beside the runway, isnt it? That's insane.

@ cruiser, glad you put your opinion in. But i'd have to disagree. Sure there was corruption but i think it was more in the side of PIATCO (Cheng is really corrupt). And the Fraport company also had many problems in the first place. They also have a controversy in a Peru airport. And GMA is much, much less corrupt than Erap. Yes she is corrupt (in these days, who isnt?) but not in the scale of Erap.

that article indicates that the government does still plan to open NAIA3, after 2 years of standstill.

I'll scan the NAIA3 leaflet soon

ok, i'd like to see it:)

The government should still "plan" to open NAIA 3. If they dont, then they just wasted big time funds and compromised investment relations.

well they are creating and expanding roads leading to NAIA3, meaning they still plan to make use of that building.

yeah... I think they're just trying to finish up the access roads and work on final touches while trying to cough up the $400M+ for compensation of Piatco. Maybe GMA'll open it up after her reelection as another jolog "installment" of the "downpayments" she'd paid during her first 3 years. hehehe....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/p2541451287d4f594af767e7dd3923566/f8f65813.jpg
Photo dated 28 October 2002 shows a security private guard manning his post inside the controversial newly-built Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila, 28 Octoboer 2002. Following the 21 January 2004 rulling of the Supreme Court voiding the deal due to anomalies, the Philippines is preparing to take over operations of the multi-million dollar airport after the Fraport AG, German-led consortium was stripped of its franchise. Fraport which owns majority stake in the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc (Piatco) has said it stands to lose about 425 billion dollars (?) in investments from the project, and has sought arbitration from the World Bank to force Manila to compensate it.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/pdad749fc27953b240f8aa8a8f89e55f8/f8f6583d.jpghttp://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/p5c7a19dc6a8a42584c11fc65db1de5de/f8f65876.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/pbaf65041df5431b0c7653e7a93441277/f8f65892.jpghttp://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid112/p82d98ab4bbdbbcb12246b2886e1faa1a/f8f65920.jpg

The virtually-completed, but still unused new passenger terminal of the Manila international airport, 07 December 2003. The new terminal will likely remain unused till 2005 as the government and the terminal's German-Fiilipino investors battle it out in court over a contract dispute. The controversy has hurt the Philippines'image with international investors even while the existing airport terminals remain congested.

sweet!! thanks for the imgs sunking!!! both inside and outside look totally complete already...! sounds like bad news for NAIA 3 though... hopefully it won't take upto 2005 to settle the case...

Awesome pics!:cool: Thanks, Sunking:)

Didnt they confirm that its opening on June/July 2004?

Didnt they confirm that its opening on June/July 2004?
I think La Gloria said that!

:yes: Yup, she did

It is so sad to see the terminal standing there, ready to use, not in operation. A relatively small group of greedy persons destroying the comfort of a normal airport terminal for the Filipino people. Since the start of the project in 2000 I was active within the project for the largest supplier of all Mechanical, Electrical and Special systems for the terminal (Siemens).
I remember my first diner together with the German group Fraport and the representatives of PIATCO, the family Cheng. Absolutely horrible!

I cant understand that a few crooks can completely ruin a project. And what is todays problem? For them none (they already have their money and houses in Sydney and San Diego) but for you guys: no terminal.

And the naive Germans, lost all their money, which they will never get back again.

This is the calculation: US 550M investment by Fraport and partners (without having the legal majority of the shares, meaning control over their own money). Orgininal budget was US 300M. Difference is for the Cheng family and friends, like construction companies, Fuji Haya (money laundry company at Pasong Tamo owned by former secretary of Estrada Mr. M.) via Jess Munoz. Your ex-president is behind bars while the real criminals have fun on their yachts in Subic et cetera.

I have submitted several proofs and indications of corruption and theft to several newspapers in the RP without anybody with guts to do something about it.

Unbelievable that we as foreigners have no possibility to retrieve our rights via the palace of justice (POJ).

Last but not least, you guys (the Filipinos) have still no open terminal 3.

Wish you luck from Europe where I will remain undercover regarding this topic.

Take care and keep up with this nice forum.

Welcome to the forums, Maupy:) Glad you can share us this information. And please, share more if you have some.

Since you work for Siemens, i have a few questions for you:

1. Are all electronics, mechanical, etc systems in NAIA 3 supplied by Siemens? I heard that because of corruption, PIATCO decided to use a cheaper Chinese supplier instead of the more reliable Siemens systems. Is this true or is everything supplied by Siemens?

2. Do you have any information regarding the opening of the terminal?

3. If you can, can you give us some more background details about the terminal?

4. You are not Filipino, right?:D (just wondering)

5. Are there any major flaws in the terminal it self that had to be addressed before opening? I'm not talking about legal stuff.

6. Any chance of the monorail to link NAIA 3 to NAIA 2? If so, when will it start? If not, corruption had to do with it right? Siemens also makes Monorails, am i correct?

Thanks a lot:) Hope you can answer my questions. I really hate corruption

TRAFFIC SCHEME FOR NAIA EXPRESSWAY PROJECT

A new traffic measure will be implemented starting March 17, 2004 (Wednesday) to minimize the adverse impact of closure to vehicular traffic of Sales on and off northbound ramps due to construction of NAIA Expressway Project Phase 1 by the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) in coordination with the Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA), Philippine National Construction Corporation (PNCC) and Toll Regulatory Board (TRB).

Vehicles coming from Villamor Airbase area going north towards Manila/Makati area are advised to take south-east access loop on to South Luzon Expressway northbound or take Pasong Tamo Extension northbound.

On the otherhand, vehicles traversing the South Luzon Expressway from the south going to Villamor Airbase are advised to exit at C-5, U-turn to East Service Road and left at Sales or take the Magallanes loop to South Luzon Expressway southbound to Villamor Airbase.

Motorists going to South Luzon Expressway from the south going to Pasay, Makati and Manila are advised to take alternate routes or take the elevated Skyway.

Private vehicles are encouraged to take designated alternate routes. For southbound vehicles coming from Manila/Makati, take the Roxas Boulevard/Macapagal Avenue alternative route by turning right either at Sen. Gil Puyat Avenue or EDSA from South Luzon Expressway then the Roxas Boulevard or Macapagal Avenue to Sucat Road or use the Skyway via Buendia on-ramp. Another option is to utilize the Fort Bonifacio Road by turning left at Buendia then right at Ayala straight to McKinley all the way to C-5 Road.

Northbound vehicles coming from the Alabang-Muntinlupa areas can use Roxas Boulevard/Macapagal Avenue and C-5 Road by exiting either at Alabang or Sucat towards westbound direction all the way to Roxas Boulevard/Macapagal Avenue area via MIA Road or take Alabang-Zapote Road to proceed to Roxas Boulevard or Macapagal Avenue via Coastal Expressway or take the elevated Skyway via the Bicutan on-ramp.

Additional traffic management strategy to minimize impact of the construction activities to traffic in the area is the implementation of counterflow scheme, on a need basis, along South Luzon Expressway in the Nichols/Sales area starting May 1 to July 31, 2004.

In addition, the AFPOVAI Road was opened to traffic as by-pass/alternate route connecting Pasong Tamo Extension and East Service Road.

NAIA Expressway Phase 1 project consists of the construction of Sales Interchange improvement which involves road and bridge widening works (package 1), the Skyway connection ramps 1 and 4 (package 2), and the Skyway connection ramps 2 and 3 (package 3).

DPWH Secretary Florante Soriquez said that the NAIA Expressway Project is an
important priority undertaking of the Macapagal-Arroyo administration to relieve traffic congestion at the vicinity of airport terminals.

The newly constructed NAIA Terminal 3 when operational is expected to generate larger traffic volume, hence, the timely provision of adequate road access has become critical.

Also, the project will facilitate high-speed, reliable, and safe road travel to help further boost tourism in the Philippines.
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I guess this confirms the NAIA Expressway's construction... sound nice. hope it'll be done soon so NAIA 3 can finally be attempted to be opened by the gov't.

can anyone make a map of this interchange? parang it's quite difficult to visualize eh... :)

can anyone make a map of this interchange? parang it's quite difficult to visualize eh... :)

I havent seen it myself. And i cannot visualise it too. Maybe the guys that have seen it or the forumers living in the Philippines can make us one. If they have time.

well the Villamor interchange is being expanded, the on and off ramps northbound are closed and massively renovated. if you can remember visiting that place once, it's quite small. so they're expanding it for NAIA3

Those alternate routes sound like traffic hell in the making. Bitter pill to swallow I guess.

Those alternate routes sound like traffic hell in the making. Bitter pill to swallow I guess.

well anything like this always results in good outcomes, that is, better traffic flow

so is june 2004 a confirmed thing? or 2005? hehe. i hate our system. every year the president changes, policies follow.

same with me. Everything is dependant of the president. I guess thats why we dont progress as rapidly as other nations.

The thing is, we don't have continuity, Singapore and Malaysia had continuity with their Prime Ministers. We had a leader who ruled for 20 years but wasted his intelligence and opportunities.

I read an article yesterday or the other day where Arroyo was planning to move some gov't agencies to more effective parts of the country (such as agriculture to Mindanao cuz "there is no agriculture in Metro Manila" and soon DOT to Visayas) to ready the country for the cha-cha (charter-change) into the same systems running in Malaysia, s'pore etc. she wants to be the first Prime Minister. hehehe.... and GMA says it's because of the gridlocks that often occur between congress, senate, presidency etc that slow down legislative processes in gov't thus slowing down projects and stuff in turn hindering economic dev. and progress. hopefully, we can get it done and that this cha-cha will really help the country like it has in Malaysia and Singapore and Thailand.

@SunKing, I agree.... the Marcos dictatorship would've seen so much potential. he was one of our smartest, most intelligent presidents but because of greed and corruption, nothing came out of his rule. he was the only one capable of disciplining our people... very sad that what happened had to happen. I wish to see another, better version of Marcos in our next president. could it possibly be GMA, Lacson, Roco, maybe even Villanueva....? whoo knows?

I'm not so sure about charter change... certaily there needs to be reform in the government. But cha-cha seems like an answer made by people who want to stay in power more than ever and make it harder for new voices to be heard. I would like to know what is in the guts of this cha-cha thing so that we can see how it could benefit the country.

Remember, ours is a very young democracy. It was started just in 1986. The people who are in government right now are for the most part the same people who were in there prior to the current government. Our system may actually be the best system around but we don't know because it's still being run by many of the same people who were around in Marcos's time.

Well, this is off topic for this thread.

Maybe we can talk about this in Samahan. Maybe someone should start a general Philippine Politics thread or a "how to change government" thread.

there definately needs to be reform. the local government needs more power, especially in things like road rehabilitation, land distribution. the president and the senate have better things to do don't they?

yeah... I guess that's what the charter change is trying to accompish. I only realized the reason behind the two taxes in Canada... they have a PST and GST. one goes directly to the gov't capital while the other goes directly to the provincial gov't. this allows for development and progress in both the entire country and the province itself. with the province having control over its own money, the officials behind the mini provincial gov't can start up their own projects with the approval of the citizens that will directly benefit from it instead of an entire congress debating over projects that do not apply to them. this is probably the main reason behind the slow growth of outlying urban and rural communities and cities such as Cebu and Davao in the south.

I'll try to look for the column I read at money.inq7.net yesterday about how GMA was explaining the cha-cha in a cebu radio talkshow...

http://www.dccd.com/images/transinter.jpg
from DCCD (http://www.dccd.com) website

http://www.miaa.com.ph/mia/images/toppublic.jpg
from MIAA (http://www.miaa.com.ph) website

cited from ABSCBNNEWS.com: PAL calls for speedy opening of NAIA 3 (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=BUSINESS&oid=48342):

The operation of PAL’s international flights will be transferred to NAIA 3, while domestic operations will be retained at the Centennial terminal.

*sigh sigh sigh* well, that's my chances at one day arriving at NAIA 3 ruined (PAL had stopped all operations to Europe since 1998) :(

*sigh sigh sigh* well, that's my chances at one day arriving at NAIA 3 ruined (PAL had stopped all operations to Europe since 1998) :(

well, you could always use Air France or KLM. PAL is thinking about going to EU again, too...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid113/p6ee66ba656d549306ec49d0e82bae9f0/f8ea95ff.jpg
I think T3's going to use the dual airbridges, one leading to the Business/First cabin and the other to the Economy cabin.

Well from the pictures, NAIA 3 does have dual jetways per gate.

gosh ang ganda.... hay. sayang talaga. i'll vote for anyone who promises to open NAIA by june.... my trip :)

I hope PAL will add enough pressure to the government so that they will open the airport this coming June/July.

well i reckon for an airport it's class, it will have two bridges, and it will depend on the airplane whether both will be used or not

well i reckon for an airport it's class, it will have two bridges, and it will depend on the airplane whether both will be used or not
Yep! I don't think a 737 will need two airbridges.

when are they going open this airport?

the cliché question. this year hopefully. nothing happened in 2003, but it has popped out in to the headlines again in 2004

And GMA said that it will open this June/July. Hope she keeps her word. But other sources say it will open on 2005.

This is from the Skyway Express South: Travel & Leisure (Skyway Travelers Magazine) March 19, 2004 issue.

Its gives an idea how massive this interchange will be... I pass there everyday on the way to work... I'll try to snap some pictures as the construction progress.

At the moment, the northbound off-ramp to SLEX is completely demolished.
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10039/normal_naia-expressway1.jpg

Thanks, man! Finally we get to see how it looks like. Looks great, it sure will relieve congestion in that intersection and make it easier to get to the airport. :okay:

...i know y'all have seen these pics..but i believe they just belong here.... enjoy

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid113/pfcc572099338e57e81276e8aa0e2aa46/f8e4af06.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid113/pa3db1fc876746ab0fb191d15e102e4a7/f8e4ac63.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid113/pb0a21bec2b730612d085fd0f3492981e/f8e4af07.jpg


this is just NAIA...naia 3 should be around the corner....just would like to say..this single runway here is not helping at all...hopefully that DMIA works out...if not..they should just build a new runway...if all possible..i know it will dislocate people...but you know..you just have to do what you got to do....yeah...this airport does have a second runway..but do they actually use it...other than for domestic? let me know..
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid113/pf9eaef9162acc8b2ad567814b206e04d/f8e4af17.jpg

actually NAIA has 2 runways, although one's only a secondary runway.

and if i'm not mistaken, Changi also has one runway only.

if we had two runways, would it be needed? Manila isn't that big of a destination to have multiple runways imo. i say don't build one, unless we move to Clark, where there already is one.

No, Changi has dual parallel runways;)

nice pics, i havent seen one of them:D

hmm... this NAIA expressway makes more sense. i like it, it's a good plan. the skyway connection makes it faster, but of course there's a fee i reckon:D

hmm... this NAIA expressway makes more sense. i like it, it's a good plan. the skyway connection makes it faster, but of course there's a fee i reckon:D

its a toll road alright: http://www.botcenter.gov.ph/projects/Profiles_June2003/NAIA_Expressway_Transpo.pdf
more great stuff: http://www.botcenter.gov.ph/projects/PROJECTS4INVESTMENT6.htm

at PhP 55 toll fee for the NAIA expressway, geesh, is that on top of the skyway toll fee? :wallbash:

thanks for the info apiong, useful indeed.

and 55 pesos, whoah.. how much is skyway Magallanes-Bicutan? around the same price? :wallbash:

it says NAIA expressway wil end at Roxas Boulevard... that be ugly if there were any elevated roads in Roxas blvd...

Awesome! Thanks for showing us that... I dont get how it will end at Roxas Blvd when the airport is right there...

buti HK sa Kai Tak nun nabuhay ng iisa lang ang runway with hundreds of flights per day :) tayo 3 terminals wala naman traffic gano. pero sana open na terminal 3. and sana regarding stages 2 and 3 of the NAIA expressway, sana wag mashelve parang pagkakadelay super tagal ng stages 2-4 ng skyway....

buti HK sa Kai Tak nun nabuhay ng iisa lang ang runway with hundreds of flights per day :) tayo 3 terminals wala naman traffic gano.

Haha! Good point federal!

the NAIA Expressway plans seem to be pretty good. from that 2nd to the last picture (and from my view on the plane) the three terminals at the NAIA complex seem quite spaced out and there have been a ton of complaints from passengers who have to move from NAIA 1, 2 and the domestic terminal (and in the future, NAIA 3). I would kill if the gov't spent this much money on a tollway that wouldn't be able to correct layout flaws like these. also hope it could relieve and decongest the heavy traffic that builds up near the crowded airport area... I wasn't able to open the PDF file on this computer though, so there may have been details there that I missed. does its say there if the four phases are being constructed successively or are they only working on Phase I right now? doubt that though, parts of the project would do no good.... seems to me it needs the entire thing...

Yup, thats true federal. And our three terminals are smaller than other airports with three terminals...

the NAIA Expressway plans seem to be pretty good. from that 2nd to the last picture (and from my view on the plane) the three terminals at the NAIA complex seem quite spaced out and there have been a ton of complaints from passengers who have to move from NAIA 1, 2 and the domestic terminal (and in the future, NAIA 3). I would kill if the gov't spent this much money on a tollway that wouldn't be able to correct layout flaws like these. also hope it could relieve and decongest the heavy traffic that builds up near the crowded airport area... I wasn't able to open the PDF file on this computer though, so there may have been details there that I missed. does its say there if the four phases are being constructed successively or are they only working on Phase I right now? doubt that though, parts of the project would do no good.... seems to me it needs the entire thing...

You know how government works... only finishes up to phase 1 :) leaves the other phases to the future adminstrations even though it may take another 6 years! Examples :
Congressional Ave - succeeding phases, shelved.
C5 to NLEX - shelved? hehe
C5 to Roxas Blvd. - shelved? who knows.
SKyway stage 2-4 shelved?
NLEX expansion and upgrading phase 2-3. delayed or worse, shelved
Coastal Road Tollway... phase 2, shelved? hehe again.
and many other more...

any news?

i'm guessing none of these are shelved, just long-term delayed:D

maybe it's the government planning too too big.. maybe they should only bite what they can chew. or maybe it's just the corruption crap..

Is this the Coastal Road Phase 2 Project?

New Cavite road
project launched
Posted: 0:44 AM (Manila Time) | Feb. 08, 2004
By Juliet Labog-Javellana
Inquirer News Service

PRESIDENT Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo Saturday broke ground for the Manila-Cavite Coastal Road extension project which is expected to relieve Cavite residents of their traffic woes and boost the province's industrialization.

With the 117-million-dollar road project, which she claimed had been her pet project since she was a trade assistant secretary assigned to Cavite province in 1989, Ms Macapagal tried to make inroads on the acknowledged turf of presidential rival Senator Panfilo Lacson.

"This is a new chapter in the history of Cavite, Calabarzon [region] and the Philippines," Ms Macapagal said. The Calabarzon region includes the provinces of Cavite, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal and Quezon.

Ms Macapagal lowered the time capsule to signify the start of the construction of the 11.3-km Manila-Cavite Toll Expressway Project, which will stretch the existing highway from Pasay City to Zapote area in Las Piñas to the towns of Kawit and on to Noveleta in Cavite.

The project requires the construction of a viaduct traversing Manila Bay from Zapote to Kawit, and from Kawit to Noveleta, adding 11.3 kms to the existing 6.4-km coastal highway. Projected to be finished in two years, the extension is expected to reduce to one hour the traveling time from Coastal Road at the Manila airport junction to Kawit, Cavite.

Children of Cavite

The groundbreaking saw the gathering of famous sons and daughters of Cavite, including the Revilla and Remulla families that have been long-time political enemies.

Ms Macapagal spent half of her speech acknowledging the guests, which included Senator Ramon Revilla and his son Ramon "Bong" Revilla Jr. who the President said would be the "next topnotcher" in the senatorial elections; Cavite Governor Ayong Malicsi, former Cavite governors Johnny Remulla and Epimaco Velasco, Bacoor town mayor Jessie Castillo, Cavite Representative Plaridel Abaya, former senator Vicente Paterno.

She was also joined by Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza, Defense Secretary Eduardo Ermita who is the Cabinet Officer for Regional Development for Southern Tagalog, Presidential Adviser on Official Development Assistance Projects Marita Jimenez, and Public Works Undersecretary Ted Encarnacion, who the President said declined to head the DPWH and was instead appointed Cabinet adviser on key infrastructure projects.

Also present were former Prime Minister Cesar Virata who heads the Coastal Road Corp., Public Estates Authority chairman Teodorico Taguinod and a representative of the International Finance Corp. (IFC) which will provide 70 million dollars of the project cost.

Macapagal brainchild

The coastal road extension project was part of the Cavite Trade and Industry Plan which Ms Macapagal reportedly conceived as trade assistant secretary in 1989.

When she became President, she said she found out that the project had not begun because of bureaucratic, financial and legal problems.

That is why, she said, in her visit to the United States in November 2001, she had negotiations with the Washington-based IFC to finance the project's construction.

IFC will underwrite 70 million dollars of the 117-million-dollar cost of the project, with the UEM-MARA Philippines Corp. (UMC) providing the balance. UMPC and Coastal Road Corp. will undertake the project in a joint venture with the Public Estates Authority.

to me any extension of an expressway is good, in luzon none of them are long enough.

o/t : question, the end of the coastal road tollway is roxas blvd right? don't they have plans of connecting it to some sort of a highway? it's odd kasi. Maybe the NAIA 3 expressway will hit Coastal road (which is adjacent to roxas boulevard or shall i say on the same area) from the Skyway making a link of two highways possible... a first in the country. all our expressways are chop-chop kasi ... :)

cheers!

btw, SLEX is planned to be connected to the STAR, which if i'm not mistaken if a tollway.

about NAIA expressway, i dunno, it could be, but the plans doesn't say it.
search engines wouldn't know about this either, some of the links point back to SSC:D

The South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) project involves two phases: Phase 1 is composed of the construction of a two-lane toll road that will connect the SLEX from Calamba town in Laguna province to the Star Tollway in Santo Tomas town in Batangas province; and Phase 2 is the repair and rehabilitation of the Alabang Viaduct in the Alabang area of Muntinlupa City. The rehabilitation of the portion from Alabang to Calamba is included in Phase 2, which includes other works.

The total project costs 2.3 billion pesos (1.6 billion pesos, including right-of-way acquisition for the extension project, and 700 million pesos for the Alabang Viaduct). The 1.6-billion-peso tollway extension project is being implemented by the Philippine National Construction Corp. (PNCC) by virtue of Presidential Decree 1113 (as amended) and will initially be a two-lane tollway out of the six-lane ultimate design. National Development Co. (NDC) provides project financing through a loan for the road's construction including the right of way for the PNCC.

sad to know so many infrastructure projects were put to shelved.

i am worried about this airport too, it could be on this stage for a long time =( nge!

The South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) project involves two phases: Phase 1 is composed of the construction of a two-lane toll road that will connect the SLEX from Calamba town in Laguna province to the Star Tollway in Santo Tomas town in Batangas province; and Phase 2 is the repair and rehabilitation of the Alabang Viaduct in the Alabang area of Muntinlupa City. The rehabilitation of the portion from Alabang to Calamba is included in Phase 2, which includes other works.

The total project costs 2.3 billion pesos (1.6 billion pesos, including right-of-way acquisition for the extension project, and 700 million pesos for the Alabang Viaduct). The 1.6-billion-peso tollway extension project is being implemented by the Philippine National Construction Corp. (PNCC) by virtue of Presidential Decree 1113 (as amended) and will initially be a two-lane tollway out of the six-lane ultimate design. National Development Co. (NDC) provides project financing through a loan for the road's construction including the right of way for the PNCC.

Any rendering of the projects? Photo/Pictures? Thanks ^^

Hi,

Yes you are right. I lived in the Philippines for 5 years. And yes, for Siemens Inc.

1. Siemens won the overal M&E and Special Systems (Fuel Hydrant Syst., Baggage Hdlg., Security Syst. Boarding Bridges) for the T3 project in Feb. 2000. Just before the commencement date of June 06, 2000.
Initially this complete scope was intended to go to Takenaka, the main contractor. You can imagine that Takenaka was very upset when Siemens was pushed forward as their main sub contractor. They did everything to make our live miserable. Simply becaue they had agreements with prefered suppliers agreed between Takenaka and politicians.
Siemens hardly manufactures systems for airports. The scope made by Siemens were: Security Systems, Airfield Lighting and some electrical systems. All other scopes were sub-sub contracted.

BHS (Baggage Hdlg Syst.): Crisplant from Denmark. Paid 5 M US$ to obtain approval via Mendoza. We tried everything to keep this scope under our own manufacturing; Siemens-Dematic.
FHS (Fuel Hydrant Syst.): Niigata from Japan. Are bankrupt now.
PLB (Passenger Loading Bridges): Thyssen from Germany/Spain. Our preferred supplier.
M&E scope; Dai Dan from japan, prefered by Takenaka
AFL (Air Field Lighting); ADB-Siemens in Belgium
Security Systems: Siemens SBT, Manila
Escalators, Moving walkways; Mitsubishi
Check-in Counters and signs; NKI from the Netherlands

I have to say that that PIATCO used good suppliers. This is not the problem. However to reduce costs, designs have been changed. For example less and more narrow escalators (only going up, not down). This means still accoring Specifications but undermining the concept and comfort of the terminal.
Some Chinese suppliers have been used for finishing (tiles a.o.). No major scopes. Fraport would not accept that.

2. The opening is only speculation. Ths problems with the contracts are very complex. I would suggest an international court (according the original specs). Unfortunately the RP gvt does not accept that.

3. What kind of background info you would like to have?

4. No, I am not Filipino.

5. Again, there have been concessions made to save money. Saving money means spending the same for less. The difference is for certains persons (corruption). Like the escalators the design of the drive way up to the departure entrance has been changed. Many more. This is the easiest way to create extra funds for external "advisors" as these persons are called.

6. The original design had a tunnel to link T2 (Centennial) to T3. This is important. Not only for passengers, but as well for the baggage. Now tranfer luggage has to be picked up, brought to the other side and cheked-in again. Very inconvenient.
I have no news regarding the mono rail.

Other: Drainage; due to the construction of the T3 including the aircraft-taxiways large amounts of rainwater cant flow to the ground water anymore. This excess of water is now forced to go to the main canals in Paranaque, which does not have sufficient capacity. Resulting in flooding during heavy rainfal. Money for extra pumps was not available (governement); Paranaque?Baclaran is mostly below sea level, therefore pumps are required.

I hope the above information was of any help.

Take care!



Welcome to the forums, Maupy:) Glad you can share us this information. And please, share more if you have some.

Since you work for Siemens, i have a few questions for you:

1. Are all electronics, mechanical, etc systems in NAIA 3 supplied by Siemens? I heard that because of corruption, PIATCO decided to use a cheaper Chinese supplier instead of the more reliable Siemens systems. Is this true or is everything supplied by Siemens?

2. Do you have any information regarding the opening of the terminal?

3. If you can, can you give us some more background details about the terminal?

4. You are not Filipino, right?:D (just wondering)

5. Are there any major flaws in the terminal it self that had to be addressed before opening? I'm not talking about legal stuff.

6. Any chance of the monorail to link NAIA 3 to NAIA 2? If so, when will it start? If not, corruption had to do with it right? Siemens also makes Monorails, am i correct?

Thanks a lot:) Hope you can answer my questions. I really hate corruption

The South Luzon Expressway (SLEX) project involves two phases: Phase 1 is composed of the construction of a two-lane toll road that will connect the SLEX from Calamba town in Laguna province to the Star Tollway in Santo Tomas town in Batangas province; and Phase 2 is the repair and rehabilitation of the Alabang Viaduct in the Alabang area of Muntinlupa City. The rehabilitation of the portion from Alabang to Calamba is included in Phase 2, which includes other works.

The total project costs 2.3 billion pesos (1.6 billion pesos, including right-of-way acquisition for the extension project, and 700 million pesos for the Alabang Viaduct). The 1.6-billion-peso tollway extension project is being implemented by the Philippine National Construction Corp. (PNCC) by virtue of Presidential Decree 1113 (as amended) and will initially be a two-lane tollway out of the six-lane ultimate design. National Development Co. (NDC) provides project financing through a loan for the road's construction including the right of way for the PNCC.

hmm how will this link of SLEX to STAR look like? Sana elevated na lang para cool. kasi kung ka-level ng street eh d lakihan na lang nila yung street access ng SLEX (exit) to STAR (entrance). Sayang lang eh. Or If ever it's going to be a ground level expressway, I hope they would put fences so ABSOLUTELY NO COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS will proliferate on the shoulders....

hey guys, stick to the topic.


hmm.. suddenly there's more problems about T3 than i thought there would be.

Thank you very much, Maupy. Thanks for your reply.:) I'm glad despite the corruption, NAIA 3 still has good/preferred suppliers. And i'm glad Siemens won the bid for the overal M&E and special systems as i know that Siemens is the most reliable and high quality brand in its industry.

I also think that an underground link between NAIA 2 and 3 is very important, not only for passengers to transit but also for baggage and other things that need to be moved. If they do not build an underground, vehicles would have to go all the way around the secondary runway which costs time and money. If not, they would have to cross the secondary runway which is a big NO-NO!

I dont know what background information i want. I was just wondering if you had some additional information to share.

Its also too bad they didnt acquire pumps to pump out rainwater. True, it will get flooded without them.

One question, do you think Fraport was at fault? Or is it all PIATCO and the government that is to blame?

Thanks.

Seriously I hope this terminal will be open in time to welcome OFWs, native Filipinos, and foreigners in the Christmas season. It's also good to hear there will be firm passenger connections between NAIA 2 and 3 since it would make the transit between terminals much easier for me when I fly CX this December. :D

Actually, there wont be a firm passenger connection. There was supposed to be an underground monorail but i guess thats cancelled. So now, you have to go all the way around the secondary runway.

I wish they open on June, so that it can welcome me!:D

Actually, there wont be a firm passenger connection. There was supposed to be an underground monorail but i guess thats cancelled. So now, you have to go all the way around the secondary runway.

Whoa, there was supposed to be a underground monorail? I just wish MIAA would make some sort of permanent connection between the terminals,... :wallbash:

Its not MIAA's job. NAIA 3 is under PIATCO (whom, btw are corrupt!). They were supposed to build an underground monorail and cargo tunnel for easy connectivity between NAIA 2 and 3. But because of their corruption, we wont see that being built anymore. Maybe later, but i doubt it.

Its not MIAA's job. NAIA 3 is under PIATCO (whom, btw are corrupt!). They were supposed to build an underground monorail and cargo tunnel for easy connectivity between NAIA 2 and 3. But because of their corruption, we wont see that being built anymore. Maybe later, but i doubt it.
Sorry my bad...but still, this sucks... :wallbash:

I know!!:cry:

I took this while on the way to work this morning... view coming from East Service Rd. merging to South Luzon Expressway...
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10047/normal_pic_0001.jpg
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10047/normal_pic_0002.jpg
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10047/normal_pic_0004.jpg
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10047/normal_pic_0005.jpg

Thanks for those pics! Wow, its a pretty big project! I'm glad to see more infrastructure such as this getting built. Any idea when it will be completed?

out of curiousity, what car do you have?:D hehehe, i like cars as much as i like scrapers, infrastructure.

Thanks for those pics! Wow, its a pretty big project! I'm glad to see more infrastructure such as this getting built. Any idea when it will be completed?

out of curiousity, what car do you have?:D hehehe, i like cars as much as i like scrapers, infrastructure.

I'll take a look back at the construction notice posted along East Service Rd., though I seem to remember something like October 2005 or something...

Toyota Revo 2003 GL :)

And GMA said that it will open this June/July. Hope she keeps her word. But other sources say it will open on 2005.
there's a good chance if she wins the election

Yup, thats correct. And she does have a good chance of winning:)

ronnaveth, welcome to SSC:)

sweet, there's a hell lot of progress since april.

Yup, thats correct. And she does have a good chance of winning:)

That is music to my ears. Dunno what I'd do if the PI was at the helms of a high school dropout-turned actor.... :runaway:

seems like we're getting closer and closer to finally opening NAIA3!!! thanks for the pics, apiong!! one thing I hate about construction in the Philippines is the way the workers have to ruin surrounding areas with dirty construction materials which in turn destroy the already existing structures and sometimes even the newly completed project.

That is music to my ears. Dunno what I'd do if the PI was at the helms of a high school dropout-turned actor.... :runaway:

Three of our major customers will pull-out their projects here in the Phils. :badnews:

If FPJ wins, Mhe-Ann?

yeah, if FPJ wins, they will pull-out their business here and transfer it to either China or Malaysia. :no:

btw, nice pics @apiong. suggestion, why don't you take pictures of that site (same angles) everyday..when you're going to work, or after. hehehe. :okay: :D

yeah, if FPJ wins, they will pull-out their business here and transfer it to either China or Malaysia. :no:

Great, just one more thing to make sure that FPJ dosen't become president. :D

:yes: And i'm sure there are other firms and investors willing to pull out if FPJ wins. Which is why he SHOULD NOT win! It might make the poor happy, but it will make everybody (including the poor) miserable later once the economy crashes (which will make the poor, poorer).

Again, people are assuming that the poor are stupid. There's a reason why people are not willing to vote for GMA and it's not because they're stupid. Sure it would be horrible if FPJ wins, but political decisions are not motivated by idol worship. They're motivated by real world problems and a cynicism towards what traditional politicians can or can't do.

I posted an article published by PCIJ in the election thread which is a very interesting read (and PCIJ is one of the best sources of analysis and research in the Philippine media).

i'm not desputin that the poor are not stupid.. i jus think the poor are naive at times, naivety in this case showed itself while i was watchin an online vid-report on BBC News on the net about the FPJ phenomenon.. a poor family were interviewed with the question "why would u vote for FPJ?" the reply form the lady was "because he is a very honest man.. as we can see from the parts he always plays in the movies" :crazy: .. another interview was held with i forgot who (upper-class) commenting on "fame being power in phils".. whats Pinoy politics comin to? let me see if i can get the direct link for you k :)

The BBC is Crap... They do not have balanced coverage.. I remember they had this documentary and they showed just all the bad places of Manila like the PNR and squatters and then say that Philippines 80% poor.... terrible reporting if you ask me

I used to rely on the BBC for news more often than CNN, but since that debacle over the Iraq war and Parliament, they've gone down the drain. But I would never trust FOX News for my news.

haha.... Fox? News? You Mean Fox has News :laugh::nuts:

@ boybaha, sorry for making it seem that i was assuming the poor are stupid. I do not think they are stupid. They are just "brainwashed" by FPJ's promises and movie star image. In fact, there are a lot of poor people now turning to GMA...

Fox News sucks!! So baised!

Completion of Ramps 1 & 4 of the NAIA Expressway - Sales Interchange is slated on October 15, 2004, at least according to the notice posted along the East Service Rd.

Good. Thats not far from now.:) That project seems to be going quite smoothly.

I've been to NAIA ramp and saw Qantas Boeing 717 supposedly for Cebu pacific demo but sadly..because of the PAL debt problem, cebu paficic has to halt some of their plan to upgrade their fleet :(
As a fan of cebu pacific because of their on time perfomance, its really dissapointed for me not to see 717 fleets on cebu pacific livery, its because of PAL (Plane always Late :lol: ) !

Cheers

I dont get it, you've been to NAIA? Which one? 1 or 2?

Yeah, Cebu Pacific's service is really good. Their flights are always on time. I just dont like their planes. They are really old, which scares me.

PAL's flights are improving. They are becoming more on time, but there are still some delayed flights as usual. Plus, they have bigger and better planes that Cebu Pacific.

i'm not desputin that the poor are not stupid.. i jus think the poor are naive at times

that's the outcome of being desperate to get out of poverty. unfortunately actor-turned-wannabee-politicians take advantage of this..

GreyX. I was at the Ramp, I have no idea which terminal was that, because i could see Terminal 1 and 2 from the apron where i was standing. I was meeting some people from NAIA regarding general aviation.

Yeah i know Cebu pacific fleets are older and they cant uprage their fleets because of PAL problems.....and you should give Cebu pacific thumbs up though, even their fleets are old (DC-9-32 & Boeing 757) but they can always fly ontime. :)

Fly cebu pacific mates !

cheers

I dont understand how PAL is keeping Cebu Pacific from getting new planes. They are different companies with different owners. The majority share of PAL is Lucio Tan while Cebu Pacific is owned by Gokongwei, owner of the Robinsons Corporation.

Cebu Pacific is very promising. I think they will grow large. When they do so, they should buy a fleet of 7E7s and 777s and fly to far away lands...:D

PAL should also get brand new planes when they are really profitable. Their planes are quite old, and whenever they get new ones, they are not brand new. They are either bought second hand or leased. I wish they got brand new 777s, A340s, A380s:D and 7E7s. hehehe...

GreyX, the problem is not different company or not, but because of the problem in PAL, where they have big debt/credit crisis, its affecting the creditor who lend the $$ for leased/2nd hand planes in the Philippines, its like nation problem. And its because of PAL.
Like before when PAL tried really really hard to secure their new leased 744, the leasing company and creditor gave them big time before its secured.

I know cebu pacific or 5J is different company of course :lol:

cheers

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I was just confused. Interesting...

I hope that this terminal would open soon.... this would help boost up our tourism here and it would add convinience to our passengers.. specially for those who are in transit..(if there are)

I've heard that PAL has actually improved in flight arrivals. my mom's friend was telling us how the MNL-YVR flight always arrives early - sometimes upto an hour and a half before scheduled!! we were all surprised and everything!! hahaha... she says she's always late picking people up...! so weird....

I dont understand how PAL is keeping Cebu Pacific from getting new planes. They are different companies with different owners. The majority share of PAL is Lucio Tan while Cebu Pacific is owned by Gokongwei, owner of the Robinsons Corporation.

Cebu Pacific is very promising. I think they will grow large. When they do so, they should buy a fleet of 7E7s and 777s and fly to far away lands...:D

PAL should also get brand new planes when they are really profitable. Their planes are quite old, and whenever they get new ones, they are not brand new. They are either bought second hand or leased. I wish they got brand new 777s, A340s, A380s:D and 7E7s. hehehe...

i wonder, when will 5J fly to LAX and SFO. very lucrative yung route na to. I'm sure they'll make a lot of money. what happened to grandair?

Grandair became bancrupt. They expanded too quickly by borrowing a lot, and when the asian crisis came, they couldnt pay their debts.

on a rainy yesterday afternoon (yes!, the rainy season just started back here at Manila... sooo long hot summer!), I took a couple of these pictures:

One ofthe first support colums to rise:
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10047/normal_pics_0002.jpg

And the cause of great traffic this past week, the boring of this column's foundation (imagine a giant boring crane in the middle of the East Service Rd.):
http://www.pwetko.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10047/normal_pics_0001.jpg

hmm.. i reckon that's going to be a long time before this one gets finished. december 2004?

I dont understand how PAL is keeping Cebu Pacific from getting new planes. They are different companies with different owners. The majority share of PAL is Lucio Tan while Cebu Pacific is owned by Gokongwei, owner of the Robinsons Corporation.



I'll quote from a thread I read in another forum. :)


M@nny is in the middle of a negotiation team of a multi-million dollar corporation engaged in delicate negotiations with very powerful suppliers.

Just a hint of CPA's direction could sour the deal. You don't want to reveal your negotiating position with supplier A if you are still keeping supplier B warm for a potential contract. If you reveal that you have made a decision towards A, supplier B will back out of any discussions because the deal is done. If you were really just using B to lever additional concessions from A, you just lost your lever.

This is Purchasing 101. You could offer Manny 300 virgins and he will just laugh in your face. His job, his credibility and his integrity are on the line.

In the meantime, here's some news that DID make it out of that bargaining chamber:

Eximbank, the trade credit arm of the World Bank, now refuses to guarantee any loan for aircraft by any Philippine operator. That means that a creditor like Citibank or BA, for example, will be unwilling to loan money to an airline like Cebu Pacific to buy or lease airplanes. Because the World Bank will not guarantee to pay the loan in behalf of Cebu Pacific in case the airline fails to pay the bank on time.

Why??

The Eximbank cited "previous unfavorable experiencesand lack of confidence in the judicial system in the country."

That means when PAL defaulted on its loans, claiming bankcruptcy, the creditors -- the banks whom PAL borrowed money from wanted to sieze their aircraft -- were unable to get the airplanes.

After all, when Citibank lends you $200,000,000 to buy a couple of 747s, and you can't pay the bank, they have a legal claim to the airplanes you bought. Remember, the bank has its own stockholders to protect, too.

But guess what? The judicial system in the Philippines did not sieze the airplanes. The banks had to have sheriffs in other countries sieze the airplanes when they landed in those countries.

This inability to enforce the law and protect creditors has led the mother of ALL banks and creditors to now refuse to lend ANY money or guarantee any loans to ANY airline in the country.

The country has become a pariah, an outcast, in the international finance community.

PAL poisoned the well. And now everyone suffers.

"Thanks to PAL, Cebu Pac is screwed in its effort to expand its fleet, despite the fact that Boeing is practically begging Eximbank to to look at CPA's finances and see for themselves how healthy the company is. Way to go, PAL."

I'm not sure that Eximbank is going to be sympathetic. Here's an airline competing with another airline owned by a tax-evader, whose back taxes of P25,000,000,000 (I am not making this figure up) has not been collected by a coddling goverment, which goverment is about to be led by a movie actor who never finished high school and does not know the difference between cronyism, capital flight and Christmas.

Would you loan the first airline millions of dollars?? Knowing full well that the tax-evader competitor will find it cheap to pay, say, a million dollars to the movie actor to discriminate against all the tax-evader's competitors?


(Thank you Tonet of PFSG)

Ok maybe the crack on FPJ is a bit outdated but yeah. Hopefully this did explain some. As for 5J flying on the MNL-LAX sector, I'm sure they would love to do a codeshare with Northwest... :banana:

SkyBlade are you also active on opus defense forum? just wondering. :)

Yeah, thats what the PFSG said on their website. about PAL debt problem affecting 5J decision to upgrade their fleets.

cheers

hmm.. i reckon that's going to be a long time before this one gets finished. december 2004?

according to the project signboard on the right part of the last picture, target completion is October 2004!

I'll bet Boeing wants Eximbank to grant loans to 5J. The 717 production line is barely afloat.

according to the project signboard on the right part of the last picture, target completion is October 2004!

hmm... cool. if all things go well, then Christmas vacationers will see NAIA3..

wah! june/july and now pushed back again to october? so will NAIA3 itself be functional in june/july or will the whole airport have to wait for this interchange to be completed? is there any other way in/out of NAIA3 hahah.. i want 2 see it opened quicker :crazy:

SkyBlade are you also active on opus defense forum? just wondering. :)

Yeah, thats what the PFSG said on their website. about PAL debt problem affecting 5J decision to upgrade their fleets.

cheers

The one and only. :) I'm also N751PR at PFSG. :colgate:

lumpia, you're not the only one thats getting impatient... :wallbash:

Skyblade, great to see you here, I saw your nick on PFSG and airliners.net too! btw my roomie is very active on opus, his nickname is polri.

btw N751PR any news on what cebu pacific will replace their DC-9 ? and any chance they will move to NAIA2 and or resume their flight to singapore?

cheers

I think Cebu Pacific will move to NAIA 2 once NAIA 3 opens and all international flights (including PAL's) will move there.

and yeah, you are not the only one that is getting impatient, lumpia:D We have been impatient since Q4 2002!!:rant:

btw, im not really an aviation guy, so would you mind telling me what 5J is?:D

5J is the code/flight for cebupacific , when youre boarding a plane and check out the monitor to see your flight, it will show 5J bla bla, just like Qantas = QF or Garuda = GA
:D

cheers

Ohhh...I didnt know that. Usually, it is a two letter code like PR, SQ, GA, QF, etc... This one is 5J:D

Now i understand everything. Dammit, PAL!!:rant: hehehe...

btw, thanks for the additional updates, apiong. Its looking great.

Hey Dave, are you the same N751PR on the a.net forum?

btw N751PR any news on what cebu pacific will replace their DC-9 ?

I dunno but fingers point to the 717.

BTW SunKing, that's me on the Airliners.net forums. :)

I was gonna join in Airliners.net but eric (ewh1) said that you have to pay or something.

I was gonna join in Airliners.net but eric (ewh1) said that you have to pay or something.
Yeah you can either pay for a First Class Membership which is 5 bucks a month or a Premium membership with a one time fee of 25 bucks. Thankfully I joined before they introduced the pay service. :D

I think Cebu Pacific will move to NAIA 2 once NAIA 3 opens and all international flights (including PAL's) will move there.
then PAL will lost one of it's biggest selling point... easy transfer from international to domestic and vice versa.

if i'm not mistaken, PAL was pushing for the opening of NAIA3, meaning they are planning to use its facilitiies..

then PAL will lost one of it's biggest selling point... easy transfer from international to domestic and vice versa.

Indeed, I was frustrated to hear PAL do this. Since we stay only a few hours Manila before flying out again to Iloilo, it was done with ease and without leaving the terminal and it was easier for us to have our balikbayan boxes transferred. Those were the primary reasons why we still fly PAL (well those and trying to support the airline and the fact that it has a direct flight from Los Angeles [refuel in HNL]...)

In my opinion, the Centennial Terminal arrivals' area really isn't meant for international arrivals. If you noticed, there really isn't space for the immigration desks of incoming travellers. Sobrang siksikan and haba ng pila, it puts forth a really bad impression to arrriving visitors. Even the old NAIA terminal had more space for the immigration area. The luggage carousels are also a bit lacking. When it gets converted to a domestic terminal then they can put in more carousels where the immigration desks used to be. The way it's designed now though, the Centennial Terminal will make an awesome domestic terminal. World-class. What's gonna happen to the old domestic kaya? Maybe they can use it for charter flights.

It also makes more logistical sense to place all international arrivals in one building... that way, Bureau of Customs and the Immigrations controls can be located in just one entry point. I don't know... it just appeals to the virgo in me to have everything organized that way. But no doubt, a proper shuttling service needs to be implemented to get international passengers to the domestic terminal and vice versa.

ahh... so the Centennial Terminal is supposed to become the new Domestic Airport?... it would be a wow... the Centennial looks good compared to the Old Domestic.... :D

if they are going to implement that plan, they might as well build a monorail or a tunnel for an easy transfer of passengers and baggages... especially for connecting flights.

Heh, I haven't been to the Old Domestic Terminal for the longest time, not since PAL moved everything to T2.

In my opinion, the Centennial Terminal arrivals' area really isn't meant for international arrivals. If you noticed, there really isn't space for the immigration desks of incoming travellers. Sobrang siksikan and haba ng pila, it puts forth a really bad impression to arrriving visitors. Even the old NAIA terminal had more space for the immigration area. The luggage carousels are also a bit lacking. When it gets converted to a domestic terminal then they can put in more carousels where the immigration desks used to be. The way it's designed now though, the Centennial Terminal will make an awesome domestic terminal. World-class. What's gonna happen to the old domestic kaya? Maybe they can use it for charter flights.

You are absolutely correct with this one. Terminal 2 (Centennial) was really supposed to be entirely domestic. To my understanding, PAL made a deal with MIAA or something so they got the whole terminal to themselves. This decision was too late to change the design of the terminal as it was already u/c at that time. So they stuck with the design and just temporarily placed immigration counters between the Check-In counters and the pre-departure hall, as well as between the gates and baggage carousels.

Since PAL's international flights will move to NAIA 3, NAIA 2 will go back to its original role as a purely domestic terminal for PAL, Cebu Pacific, Air Philippines, etc.. It is, indeed a world-class domestic terminal:okay:

So the terminal was designed from the very beginning with the North Wing (International) being able accomodate larger planes than the South Wing? But yeah, the North Wing is pretty crappy. It takes forever just to get through Immigration and don't get me started with the luggage carousels.

Yup, prolly larger planes for domestic use.

maybe it was a last-minute change for the PAL planes.

anyways, NAIA2, with its size, is definately not a international terminal. i still think NAIA1 is some use, airport-wise. it's just the interior that needs repairs.

But yeah, the North Wing is pretty crappy. It takes forever just to get through Immigration and don't get me started with the luggage carousels.

Theres also the lack of amenities in the terminal to kill time... But yes it is pretty small when one compares other international terminals.

BTW just one question, if lets say NAIA T3 does not open in time for Christmas (which I seriously hope this scenario does not happen :wallbash: ) how can one transport 6 balikbayan boxes from T1 to T2? Sorry but the last time we had to transfer terminals was 10 years ago from NAIA 1 to domestic...>>

I'm expecting NAIA 3 to open before Christmas, but if it doesnt, you will have a hard time. You would have to carry your balikbayan boxes to an airport shuttle that will take you to the other terminal.

Great, looks like I'll be having a fun time with those boxes come Christmas...

hahaha, yeah. Have fun, man. Just wish T3 will be open by then. But still, you'd have to get from T3 to T2. Maybe they will have a special transfer desk in T3 and they will be the ones that will move your boxes from T3 to T2. That would be convenient.

well i reckon the terminal people are very accomodating, so even if the facilities are pathetic, they might find something for you.

but partner the accomodating folks with a world-class terminal, hey, it's even better

dunno if this is already posted:

July opening seen for new
Manila airport terminal
Posted: 5:12 AM (Manila Time) | Jan. 23, 2004
Inquirer News Service

THE NEW Terminal 3 of Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport could operate as early as July as a result of the Supreme Court's final ruling against the Filipino-German consortium PIATCo that built it.

"We only need to build the internal access roads and other support facilities," airport general manager Edgardo Manda said in a radio interview.


Manda, who expressed elation over the Supreme Court decision, said the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) had enough funds to operate the new passenger terminal.

The MIAA also operates the two existing terminals of the international airport, Manila Domestic Airport, and the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark, north of Manila.

July opening seen for new
Manila airport terminal
Posted: 5:12 AM (Manila Time) | Jan. 23, 2004
Inquirer News Service

THE NEW Terminal 3 of Manila's Ninoy Aquino International Airport could operate as early as July as a result of the Supreme Court's final ruling against the Filipino-German consortium PIATCo that built it.

"We only need to build the internal access roads and other support facilities," airport general manager Edgardo Manda said in a radio interview.


Manda, who expressed elation over the Supreme Court decision, said the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) had enough funds to operate the new passenger terminal.

The MIAA also operates the two existing terminals of the international airport, Manila Domestic Airport, and the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark, north of Manila.
oh yup, i saw this news article too! :D problem is that i heard they are really behind the access roads and thats whats causing the current estimation that it may be open in October this yr :cry: wah! its been lying there for yrs, why cant they just open it already.. i'd carry my balikbayan boxes on my head over quiksand if i have to, just to see that sweet, sweet new terminal :crazy:! LMAO (i'm goin nuts! y dont they just open it already!):D

phew... i actually do see it happening this year... :)

Maybe they will have a special transfer desk in T3 and they will be the ones that will move your boxes from T3 to T2. That would be convenient.
If they do, then I'd be joining those musicians that greet incoming passengers... :drunk:

Tycoons' dream
Posted: 2:02 AM | May 14, 2004

Victor Agustin
Inquirer News Service

THE SIX Chinese-Filipino tycoons might get together again to spearhead a motherhood project and help revive investor confidence in the new administration, just like what they did during the early go-go days of President Fidel Ramos.

According to the grapevine, former central bank governor Gabriel Singson, the Ramos pointman who rounded up the six "taipans," and Macapagal-Arroyo economic adviser Tomas Alcantara have had preliminary discussion toward reviving Asia's Emerging Dragon Corp. (AEDC), as the corporate grouping of John Gokongwei, Andrew Gotianun, Henry Sy Sr., Lucio Tan, George Ty, and Alfonso Yuchengco Jr. was known.

AEDC initially proposed to build Terminal III of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport but subsequently lost the contract to the now controversial PIATCo consortium.

Malacañang is quite keen to finish the stalled project, whose Joseph Estrada-amended contract has been declared illegal by the Supreme Court, but could not do so until after the international arbitration case with Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (PIATCo) has been resolved.

Even assuming the AEDC is still interested in the air terminal, the government has to expropriate Terminal III first and then the tycoons will have to join and win the new bidding before they can take over and finish the build-operate-transfer project, said AEDC counsel F. Arthur Villaraza.

The tycoons' winning back the Terminal III project could help overcome the vigorous lobby of Philippine Airlines owner Lucio Tan, who objects to splitting the airline's domestic and international operations out of Terminal II, should Philippine Airlines be forced to transfer its international flights to the purely international-flights-only Terminal III.

According to the industry grapevine, the construction of an underground passenger and cargo tunnel to link Terminal II and Terminal III, which PIATCo did not do on the strength of the illegally amended contract, should be enough to overcome Tan's objections.

Other high-impact, big-ticket and clean-slate projects that the "taipans" could venture into would be the proposed international airport-seaport in Caticlan town, the gateway to the island resort of Boracay, and the extension and modernization of the Manila-Bicol railway line.

Or, better and simpler yet, the six zillionaires can simply pool their charity funds and set up a hospital for the poor, say, on the University of the Philippines campus in Quezon City, and link it up and make it a teaching hospital with the university's College of Medicine and College of Nursing.

Such a plan would also mean a double windfall for the national government, since, in addition to getting a new hospital, it could move on to privatize the Philippine General Hospital and sell that valuable piece of land along Manila's Taft Avenue.

looks like we aren't the only ones desperate for T3. and hey, they have the cash, we don't:D

Hmm and international airport and seaport in Caticlan...sounds good but I dunno there's already going to be a international airport in Iloilo, can there be some form of connection ala the revival and extenstion of the Panay railway?

Back to topic, its good to see that these guys are going to be agressive. :D

Sell the Philippine General Hospital along Taft!? This writer appears woefully ignorant of the fact that the Philippine General Hospital is part of the larger University of The Philippines Manila campus stretching across Taft from Padre Faura to Pedro Gil and containing the Colleges of Medicine, Nursing, and Dentistry! The Manila campus is the first and original UP campus and has always been the health sciences campus. Why the heck should it be transferred to QC? Stupid.

It would have been much better if AEDC won the bid to construct NAIA 3 than the ever so corrupt PIATCO. I'm sure they would have stuck with all the plans (underground monorail and baggage below the secondary runway to link T3 with T2)and it would be open by now.

Cool...An international airport in Caticlan would really boost tourism. It is quite difficult to get to Boracay right now, so this will ease things up.

Great, i really have a good feeling that NAIA 3 will open soon.:) MIAA will take care of it better than PIATCO.

yeah...it will surely boost tourism in Boracay but for now, they must resolve some descripancies in the area including security and environmental problems.

I have heard that there are still coliforms or "lumot" in the area that degrades the white sands of Boracay and the plans of the government to build landfills in the nearby bird and marine sanctuary island

yeah coliforms were a big problem during 1999, 2000 but that problem has since gone down. The government cleaned up the area and built a state-of-the-art sewage treatment plant to keep Boracay clean.

Landfills? Why in Boracay? They shouldn't do that...They should get Aklan to handle all of Boracay's garbage...

GreyX

Sorry for my late answer. Once in a while I check this forum. Really nice to see enthusiastic people discussing about the NAIA IPT3 terminal.

Regarding PIATCO and Fraport the following. You have to realize that a foreign enity is not allowed to have a major stake within a Filipino based investment, like the terminal 3. Therefor Fraport and Lufthansa (has a stake in Globe Ground) created a complicated structure with investment companies to obtain security over the money they put in the IPT 3. One of the Filipino partners were the Cheng's under PIATCO.
I can't say that Fraport was at fault. More likely naive. You have to realize that the Germans were doing business in a solid German style. Not matching their counterparts. Managers from Fraport flew in and out from Frankfurt every other week. So called helicopter-management. No feeling for culture and details of the project. And they have to keep up their face towards the shareholders in Germany, including the province of Hessen (state were Frankfurt is located). My view is that Fraport should have run the project in Manila with experienced managers. A couple of them were simply neglected. Fraport has been warned (I was part of some of these actions) without any response.
Resulting in a big blamage. Same thing is happening in Peru with a similar project.

Siemens for example has very decent local directors working in Asia for many years. That's why we got the job. Good contacts. But not without major problems with local politicians and businessmen.

Unfortunately this project had a large impact on other foreign investers, being reluctant of spending in the RP. That's the biggest headache from this episode, which is not finished yet.

We are all looking forward to check in for the first time at ITP 3. Let's hope this will be soon.

Thanks for your reply:)

just wondering, will you be in Manila when they open Terminal 3?

Indeed, this turn of events have negatively impacted the investment environment of RP. But still, there are still a lot of foreign investment coming in, especially IT. However, it is still not enough for healthy economic growth. Hopefully, the government will turn things around soon, so that more investors will come in.

Yep! I don't think a 737 will need two airbridges.

Hi, I new to this forum. On the issue of the airbridges, the floor plan of the terminal published by FRAPORT indicates that only 14 out of the 20 gates used double bridges. These are the gates facing the 13-31 runway. The remaining six gates which are located at the back side of the south wing, use single airbridges, which can be seen as you drive through Villamor Airbase. At first glance, you see four ramps to of which have only one airbridge, while the remaining two have two air bridges. However closer inspection shows that the ramps with two air bridges have also two docking system, which indicating that two planes can be simultaneously parked here. I would image these docking areas would be used for a 737 or A320 series type plane, while the two other docking areas would be used for a larger plane like a A330 or A340.

Sell the Philippine General Hospital along Taft!? This writer appears woefully ignorant of the fact that the Philippine General Hospital is part of the larger University of The Philippines Manila campus stretching across Taft from Padre Faura to Pedro Gil and containing the Colleges of Medicine, Nursing, and Dentistry! The Manila campus is the first and original UP campus and has always been the health sciences campus. Why the heck should it be transferred to QC? Stupid.

It is interesting to note that in the mid 70's, I remember that there were plans to transfer PGH to the Diliman Campus in Quezon City. This was the idea of O.D. Corpuz and Mrs. Marcos who wanted a system of hospitals put up in quezon city (these include the heart, lung and kidney center as well as the children's hospital). However the were numerous problems which prevented this from happening. Subsequently, the general thrust of UP became making different campuses centers of excellence in specific fields. That is why UP Manila is known for its expertise in the Medical profession, UPLB in agriculture and veterinary medicine, UPV for fisheries, and UP Baguio for Anthropology.

I should know this because I am an engineering professor from UP Diliman and I grew up in Diliman.

I have to say that that PIATCO used good suppliers. This is not the problem. However to reduce costs, designs have been changed. For example less and more narrow escalators (only going up, not down). This means still accoring Specifications but undermining the concept and comfort of the terminal.
Some Chinese suppliers have been used for finishing (tiles a.o.). No major scopes. Fraport would not accept that.

Again, there have been concessions made to save money. Saving money means spending the same for less. The difference is for certains persons (corruption). Like the escalators the design of the drive way up to the departure entrance has been changed. Many more. This is the easiest way to create extra funds for external "advisors" as these persons are called.


My question to Maupy is this. The husband of my cousin is a manager in Mitsubishi IEE. He told me that there are 9 walking side walks. I always thought that walking sidewalks were installed in pairs. Can you explain why this is so?

Also, you earlier mentioned that the escalators are all going up. What about the escalators from the immigration area to the baggage claim area does this also go up. I can understand that the escalators in the lobby are going up. I had a chance to go inside the terminal sometime in October 2002 just before it was completed. I was told that aside from the departure lounges on the third floor. there are also departure lounges on the first floor of the north wing for passengers boarding a plane that is remotely parked. Is there an escalator that brings you down from the third floor to the ground floor, or do you have to go down stairs.

The issue of only have escalators going down is so common. When the NAIA II opened in 1999, it only have escalators that go upward. People had to go down stairs. It was only after complaints that they eventually installed an escalator going down from the arrival area to the baggage claim area.

PAL should also get brand new planes when they are really profitable. Their planes are quite old, and whenever they get new ones, they are not brand new. They are either bought second hand or leased. I wish they got brand new 777s, A340s, A380s:D and 7E7s. hehehe...

This is a bit surprising, because I do know that the first four Boeing 747-400 were brand new - i.e. they were delivered to PAL straight from the boeing assembly line. The same is true of the 4 A340's, 8 A330's and 3 A320's pal currently has (4 A320's were originally delivered, but they lost one A320 in an accident in Bacolod in early 1998). This can easily verified by the fact that planes are listed in the international registry.

I think the fifth 747-400 of PAL is not new. Also, the 737-300's and 737-400's are also leased.

I think GreyX was talking about the planes which were ordered after 1998. No brand new planes were delivered or ordered after PR's closure. I think all of PR's aircraft are leased since the 747s are owned by the Wilmington Trust Co. and the Airbuses are financed by Airbus Industrie Financial Services and Airbus Industrie Asset Management. Of course, one time or another, I'm sure PR was able to order brand new planes.

Hi, I new to this forum. On the issue of the airbridges, the floor plan of the terminal published by FRAPORT indicates that only 14 out of the 20 gates used double bridges. These are the gates facing the 13-31 runway. The remaining six gates which are located at the back side of the south wing, use single airbridges, which can be seen as you drive through Villamor Airbase. At first glance, you see four ramps to of which have only one airbridge, while the remaining two have two air bridges. However closer inspection shows that the ramps with two air bridges have also two docking system, which indicating that two planes can be simultaneously parked here. I would image these docking areas would be used for a 737 or A320 series type plane, while the two other docking areas would be used for a larger plane like a A330 or A340.

Hi! Welcome to SSC:)

Thanks. Yeah, i can see that you are correct. The gates facing the road (opposite to the 13-31) runway do appear to be smaller, most likely for smaller planes like 737s and A320s.

i also find it strange how there are 9 travelators (moving walkways). Shouldnt it be an even number, either 10 or 8?:D I do hope the escalators are going both directions, down and up.

So, you've been inside it? how were you able to do so? Are you part of the project? Care to tell us how it is like inside? Your opinions?

one possibility is that, there are 3 series of 3 travellators. in the Zaventem Airport in Brussels, that's what happens. the 3rd one could be used depending on where the heavy traffic is.

Makes sense in a Belgian context because there is bound to be funding for 3 travellators in parallel. But in the Philippines where there isn't even funding to get pairs of escalators, a triple-parallel system would be wasteful. Most likely, there is just one area where the travellator is just one way.

BTW, this is not unheard of. In Newark Airport in NJ (one of the busiest airports in the US since it serves the NY metro area) travellators only go one way. There are no travellators to carry people back from the gates to the baggage area.

I think the fifth 747-400 of PAL is not new.

Correct, this particular bird was ex/ CP/AC but its original customer was ironically PAL.

Yeah, the other ordered but not taken up -400s are with South African Airways, Air New Zealand, and the Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (provides VIP service to the Royal Family and government members of the UAE).

has anyone seen the departure and arrival areas of NAIA3? your guess is as good as mine, mike

Yeah, the other ordered but not taken up -400s are with South African Airways, Air New Zealand, and the Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (provides VIP service to the Royal Family and government members of the UAE).
Yeah one of the Air New Zealand 744s in the "Lord of the Rings" livery (ZK-SUJ) was supposed to be N756PR.

Haven't seen anything on the departure and arrival areas yet. :(

GreyX you asked me how I was able to get inside. There was a person from PIATCO who invited people from the National Center for Tranportation Studies in UP to a tour who in turn invited me to join them. That was how I was able to get inside.

In response to pervious comments on the walking sidewalks, I only saw one line of travellators per concourse level - very much like NARITA Terminal 2. This is because the passenger flow is very much like NAIA-1 where departures are on the third floor and arrivals are on the second floor.

Correct, this particular bird was ex/ CP/AC but its original customer was ironically PAL.

Thank you for pointing that out. It is very interesting to know where the 747-400's that PAL was unable to recieve delivery of in 1998 when it underwent financial problems. If my understanding is correct it order 8, but was only able to take delivery of one which became the 4th 747-400 of PAL.

Which brings me to the following questions. PAL published that it is scheduled to recieve delivery of a sixth 747-400 in March 2004. Has this been delayed and will this be a used plane?

Does anyone know what happened to the A340-200's that PAL initially ordered but subsequently were leased to Cathay Pacific?

I think it was CX which originally ordered the A342s and these were leased to PR. PR used these planes to operate the European services before receiving their own A340s. These planes were delivered between 1994-1995 to CX, PR took them in 1997. Now, these planes are with Aerolineas Argentinas.

As for the 747s, here's something:

Airbus, Boeing to split sales
24-26 February 2004

by Ian Goold

By the end of this week’s Asian Aerospace 2004 show, several Asia/Pacific airlines may very well have revealed plans for new or used aircraft acquisitions to replace ageing equipment, or to rationalize fleets or provide additional capacity.

-snip-

Korean Air Lines could this week convert to orders a memorandum of understanding (MoU) covering two B747-400ERFs and/or a “definitive agreement to purchase” nine 301-seat B777-200ERs (previously an MoU for seven 777s). Malaysia Airlines has had at least four “in-depth” meetings with Boeing that could lead to acquisition of the proposed 7E7 Dreamliner. Following delivery of the latest of five B747s, Philippine Airlines may order two more B747-400s.

-snip-

Vietnam Airlines plans to double its fleet from 34 to 70 aircraft by 2010. Boeing expects the B767/A320 operator to buy “ten to twelve more jets over the next five to six years.”

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PR already received the fifth 747, and I don't think they'll be able to get the other -4F6s anymore so Boeing might have two orders for the B744.

GreyX you asked me how I was able to get inside. There was a person from PIATCO who invited people from the National Center for Tranportation Studies in UP to a tour who in turn invited me to join them. That was how I was able to get inside.

In response to pervious comments on the walking sidewalks, I only saw one line of travellators per concourse level - very much like NARITA Terminal 2. This is because the passenger flow is very much like NAIA-1 where departures are on the third floor and arrivals are on the second floor.


ah... that's why. in some airports, departure and arrival is on the same floor, so there are three travallators at the same time. actually NAIA3's plan sounds much better, since it's in different floors, there's only 1-way traffic.

I just read the depressing news over the net that MIAA is borrowing 1 billion from local banks to finance the refurbishing of NAIA Terminal I - repairing the sewage system, leaking roof, toilets and airconditioning system. They expect that the construction of the access road, as well as the resolution of the compensation issue will take until July 2005 at the earliest. This should give us a general idea as to when at the earliest it may open. Due to delays in the opening of the terminal, some of the equipment may have deteriorated.

I also heard that PAL is thinking of converting some of its 747-400's from a full passenger version to a combi version. I was curious if such a modification can be done on an existing plane. I am unaware of 747-400 model which is a combi version. All I am familiar with the passenger and freighter version.

Wow, Vietnam Airlines is shaping up to become a large carrier...even bigger than PAL.
I heard about those additional 747 orders PAL is making. They are most likely for Europe bound flights as PAL is planning on returning to Europe.

Interesting, docz.. so you study in UP right now? cool. How was the inside of NAIA 3 then?

Oh, that clears things up. So 9 travellators is not so wierd now as NAIA 3 has different levels for arrivals and departures, unlike Changi. So there will be one way traffic, therefore one row of travellators...

Docz, i also heard about that plan. They want to convert like 2 of their 747s to come combo planes for cargo and passenger. So there will be less seats.

I just read the depressing news over the net that MIAA is borrowing 1 billion from local banks to finance the refurbishing of NAIA Terminal I - repairing the sewage system, leaking roof, toilets and airconditioning system. They expect that the construction of the access road, as well as the resolution of the compensation issue will take until July 2005 at the earliest. This should give us a general idea as to when at the earliest it may open. Due to delays in the opening of the terminal, some of the equipment may have deteriorated.

What?!? Such a waste of money..:no: they should just open NAIA 3 so that they wont have to worry about NAIA 1!!! No use upgrading a terminal that will soon be of no use, unless they make it a domestic terminal.

You're right GreyX, I think the government might consider it to be used as a domestic airport so they are refurbishing the airport while we are waiting for NAIA 3 to be opened. I have a speculation that it will take a lot of time before the government open the anomalous airport. Hayyyyy......

if the gov't is refurbishing it, then most likely they plan to use it for the future...

so will the T1=Domestic, T2=PAL, T3=Int'l layout be possible?

i'm not sure.. T1 is larger than T2 rite?.. so it probably still may used for interns.. i dont really think a change is that necessary. For instance, at Heathrow Int, London there are several terminals for both international and domestic flights (i think 1 & 2 are for european-regional and UK-doemstic flights only) and then T3 & 4 are for various international flights depending on region... T4 does the Americas mostly and i think direct flights to Japan or HK (its much more business orientated) and T3 is all other international flights (Africa, Middle-East & Asia).. so possibly the terminals at NAIA could run like that.. with T2 dealing with PAL internaitonal and domestics still, T3 serving international flights form Asia and the US (business-orientated), and T1 dealing with flights all other flights from India, the Middle East, Africa and Europe.

Actually i think T-1 should be used for Intra Asian flights including PAL. T-2 Be completely Domestic. and T-3 for International outside Asia

Another possibility is PAL having sole use of T1. With a P1billion makeover, it can still be a state of the art airport.

T2 can be for domestic flights.

T3 can be for international.

i'm not sure.. T1 is larger than T2 rite?.. so it probably still may used for interns.. i dont really think a change is that necessary. For instance, at Heathrow Int, London there are several terminals for both international and domestic flights (i think 1 & 2 are for european-regional and UK-doemstic flights only) and then T3 & 4 are for various international flights depending on region... T4 does the Americas mostly and i think direct flights to Japan or HK (its much more business orientated) and T3 is all other international flights (Africa, Middle-East & Asia).. so possibly the terminals at NAIA could run like that.. with T2 dealing with PAL internaitonal and domestics still, T3 serving international flights form Asia and the US (business-orientated), and T1 dealing with flights all other flights from India, the Middle East, Africa and Europe.

too complicated. one terminal should be for domestic flights solely, and another for international flights. Manila isn't like London, which is a large hub for planes.

i like Mike's idea.. since T2 is originally for domestic flights, a fact that keeps slipping off my mind :bash:

but i think this would be costly.... running 3 terminals at a time... considering the philippine government's budget deficit, etc...unless it can be run by a wholly private-owned consortium...

and we dont have much air traffic, and even some are pulling out as seen in some european carriers changing their flights from direct to "via XKL, BKK, SIN, etc"

but what is confusing is why does the government spending 1 billion pesos in a terminal that is supposedly being replaced by terminal 3?

so will the T1=Domestic, T2=PAL, T3=Int'l layout be possible?
Now that's one layout I hope to see. That or PAL taking terminal 1... :)

this is a bit off topic, but I just read on the Star today that NAIA-3 is being featured in this month's BluPrint magazine, along with some bus line's awesome new terminal in Bagiuo. I could swear I didn't have a clue it was a bus station - so nice!! anyway, I have to go get the magazine sometime this month. just got back to manila today... can't wait to see new pics of NAIA-3....!!! they only showed the bus terminal on the news announcement, so....

the most recent issue of Bluprint features NAIA3. got several nice photos...i bought my own copy tho its quite expensive. can't wait till it gets an old copy.
also featured inside is SM Baguio, i think it looks nice. view is spectacular.

You wanna scan it for us, Francis??:D hehe

Indeed a few of us here that don't have access are anxious to see. :D

Wow, Vietnam Airlines is shaping up to become a large carrier...even bigger than PAL.
I heard about those additional 747 orders PAL is making. They are most likely for Europe bound flights as PAL is planning on returning to Europe.

Interesting, docz.. so you study in UP right now? cool. How was the inside of NAIA 3 then?

Oh, that clears things up. So 9 travellators is not so wierd now as NAIA 3 has different levels for arrivals and departures, unlike Changi. So there will be one way traffic, therefore one row of travellators...

Docz, i also heard about that plan. They want to convert like 2 of their 747s to come combo planes for cargo and passenger. So there will be less seats.

I am a professor in the college of engineering in UP Diliman, and I have a number of students who now work with the National Center for Transportation Studies. Airports and airplanes are actually just my hobby, and not my main area of study. But my students are aware of my interests so when the opportunity arose to take a tour they invited me.

To be very candid, there is nothing impressive about the architecture. Just like SFO and Athens airports which were designed by SOM, then main focus is more on functionality and ease of maintenance rather than aesthetics. The only places where I saw high ceilings were in the check in area (which is they call the Head House), the departure area which has what I would described in pleated ceiling which is actually a skylight, and the baggage claim area. The remaining public areas seemed to have low ceilings, and waiting lounges which seemed rather small and cramped. Also there, views of the outside seemed rather restricted, particularly from the waiting areas. So all in all I would say that is may be a very functional airport to be able to handle the 13 million passengers and their well-wishers, but it fall short in the aesthetics area to be brutally frank.

T2 is larger than T1. T1 has a floor area of 67,000 sq. m, while T2 has a floor area of 75,000 sq m. An issue that should also be pointed out is that the most pressing concern of NAIA according to the ICAO is the lack of cargo space, not the lack of passenger handling capacity. Although originally designed for 4 million, T1 can handle 6 million passengers, while the international wing of T2 can handle 2 million. When converted to a fully domestic terminal T2 should be able to handle 9 million (5 million in south wing, and 4 million in the north wing). NAIA currently has 6 to 7 million passengers annually between the two terminals. In contrast the sole cargo terminal is handling more than double the capacity it was originally designed for. As a consequence it is believed that both T1 and the old domestic terminal will have to be demolished and new cargo terminals will have to be constructed just be able to reach the needed cargo capacity.