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Marcanadian September 21st, 2009, 06:39 PM FIRST CANADIAN PLACE RECLADDING
http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Images/CA/ON/Toronto/200801/FirstCanadianPlace-Aug08-006a.jpg
Application: Building Additions/Alterations Status: Permit Issued
Location: 100 KING ST W
TORONTO ON M5X 1K7
Ward 28: Toronto Centre-Rosedale
Application#: 09 152184 BLD 00 BA Issued Date: Aug 31, 2009
Project: Multiple Use/Non Residential Re-Roofing/Re-Cladding
Description: Proposal to for re-cladding removal of marble spandrel panels and re-clad with glas spandrel panels.
http://app.toronto.ca/ApplicationStatus/details.do?folderRsn=2469036
The lower floors of the west side are currently being striped of the marble, perhaps for test panels. :banana:
isaidso September 22nd, 2009, 12:00 AM Maybe they could add 10-20 floors while they're at it! :)
Marcanadian September 22nd, 2009, 12:14 AM From Urbantoronto:
A picture Drum just posted in the Bay Adelaide thread, you can see some of the marble taken off about halfway up FCP.
http://davidfisher.biz/photo/2009/sept/2009_09_20/IMG_sept-20-09-0171.jpg
Skybean September 22nd, 2009, 01:02 AM It will look great in glass... just hopefully not the same colour as Bay Adelaide Centre.
quanghuynhchung September 22nd, 2009, 01:19 AM I have the model of this tower!! :P
Dale September 22nd, 2009, 01:35 AM Can't wait to see a rendering!
Ukraine September 22nd, 2009, 01:44 AM wonderful news!!! I hope its glass Cladding!! Good Job Toronto :cheers:
HipHopCanada September 22nd, 2009, 02:50 AM Oh lord don't let this be glass... We dont need another mirror box added to our skyline, make it stone cladding please!
Dale September 22nd, 2009, 03:11 AM Oh lord don't let this be glass... We dont need another mirror box added to our skyline, make it stone cladding please!
Too late!
Ni3lS September 22nd, 2009, 03:14 AM This will defenitely fresh up the Toronto skyline. Excited to see a render
Uaarkson September 22nd, 2009, 03:59 AM Holy shit! This is major. Can't wait to see this, FCP's cladding has always been one of my biggest complaints about Toronto's skyline.
kazetuner September 22nd, 2009, 05:51 AM great, now this will become just another glass box. Well done!
Ukraine September 22nd, 2009, 06:10 AM great, now this will become just another glass box. Well done!
sarcasm ????
Taller, Better September 22nd, 2009, 06:16 AM :sleepy:
Why don't we all wait till we see a proposed rendering?
CanadianSkyScraper September 22nd, 2009, 06:24 AM from UT:
Funny, as I didn't notice that nor was I shooting the tower as the main subject. I just crop that section for better view.
How about some colour bands either at the same floor levels all around the building or stagger from side to side??
I do have all sides shot as before as well other angles and lets see how it will turn out from the before shots.
http://davidfisher.biz/photo/2009/sept/2009_09_20/IMG_16687a.JPG
Dale September 22nd, 2009, 07:05 PM Is there anything to speculations as to a possible height increase or at least the addition of some roof ornamentation ?
Taller, Better September 22nd, 2009, 07:20 PM I hope to god there is no "roof ornamentation".
Dale September 22nd, 2009, 07:30 PM I hope to god there is no "roof ornamentation".
I hope to God nothing cheesy, but a screen wouldn't be an unwelcome addition, IMO. I'm just not into that crazy-welter of antennae up top on any building.
Grey Towers September 23rd, 2009, 05:01 AM Oh lord don't let this be glass... We dont need another mirror box added to our skyline, make it stone cladding please!
Damn right.
FFJ-MTL September 23rd, 2009, 05:22 AM The building is fine like it is, I think this cladding gives a charm to the skyline
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3466/3718753857_6aa816dfb6_o.jpg
At least, they should add some height to it, so that it would be a supertall.
WpG_GuY September 23rd, 2009, 06:20 AM The building is fine like it is, I think this cladding gives a charm to the skyline
At least, they should add some height to it, so that it would be a supertall.
have you seen it up close? Its digustingly dirty, like a stained white carpet or dirty white socks, it needs a new fresh look, cant wait to see it!
hkskyline September 23rd, 2009, 01:57 PM Before ...
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20090517/IMG_2402.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20090517/IMG_2430.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20090517/IMG_2467.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20060402/IMG_0255.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20060527/IMG_0180.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20060527/IMG_0174.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20060527/IMG_0175.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20060527/IMG_0157.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20040529/RIMG5691.jpg
Wonder what will the 'after' look like!
isaidso September 23rd, 2009, 03:19 PM The building is fine like it is, I think this cladding gives a charm to the skyline
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3466/3718753857_6aa816dfb6_o.jpg
At least, they should add some height to it, so that it would be a supertall.
Perhaps, to the height of the antenae, 355 metres! :)
Ramako September 23rd, 2009, 04:51 PM Wonder what will the 'after' look like!
http://www.redefiningfirst.com/Downloads/Images/Fcp-Building-Rendering.jpg
http://www.redefiningfirst.com
Shezan September 23rd, 2009, 05:07 PM much much better for this famous Toronto building :)
HK999 September 23rd, 2009, 07:06 PM great news! with a new cladding this building is going to be an eyecatcher! :)
Marcanadian September 23rd, 2009, 07:19 PM Sweet.
Taller, Better September 23rd, 2009, 08:25 PM Gorgeous! And perfectly true to the original International Design of the structure. This has made the wait well worthwhile! :cheers:
Ukraine September 23rd, 2009, 08:31 PM Imagine during sunset..this building will be shiny and beautiful :) :cheers:
Dale September 23rd, 2009, 08:44 PM Are they going to leave the podium as-is ?
Taller, Better September 23rd, 2009, 09:17 PM I imagine the cladding will extend to the podium, as well.
Quercii September 23rd, 2009, 09:22 PM Well it's certainly a welcome change. The aging marble paneling is an embarrassment for Toronto's tallest office building. On the other hand, I was hoping for something a little bolder and more interesting, while this is still pretty conservative. Toronto needs another icon in it's skyline.
Grey Towers September 23rd, 2009, 11:42 PM Is that the official render? If so, it's fantastic.
takethemoney&run September 24th, 2009, 12:18 AM looks pretty cool!
filcan September 24th, 2009, 12:51 AM At first I was opposed to the idea but that render just won me over :D...and is that darker (black) cladding going down the corners of the building? That would be an interesting design element :okay:
Looking/Up September 24th, 2009, 01:03 AM I think I'm going to like this. A lot. :)
FFJ-MTL September 24th, 2009, 01:41 AM Perhaps, to the height of the antenae, 355 metres! :)
That would have been better! But it seems they're not adding any heigh to it. Anyway I really like the rendering!
Skybean September 24th, 2009, 02:08 AM Another image from the webpage
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1774/visiont.jpg
Taller, Better September 24th, 2009, 08:56 AM I can't take my eyes off it..... :eek:
OEincorparated September 24th, 2009, 10:52 AM Looks really good in all of those picture, why change it.
Marcanadian September 24th, 2009, 02:49 PM Before ...
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20040529/RIMG5691.jpg
Wonder what will the 'after' look like!
That looks awful. It's being removed because it's a safety hazard, marble tiles seem to be falling off annually.
H.E. Pennypacker September 24th, 2009, 03:03 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3947127509_a5f6ba4779_o.jpg
http://www.redefiningfirst.com/img/project/tower-podium/image-5.jpg
http://www.redefiningfirst.com/img/overview/timeline/graph.png
website: http://www.redefiningfirst.com/
VictorF September 24th, 2009, 03:52 PM Conservative but gorgeous. Good work
yin_yang September 24th, 2009, 04:08 PM About time...I bet most of the CFOs don't keep their house exteriors in that sort of condition.
Elkhanan1 September 25th, 2009, 05:41 AM By drum118 on UT.
http://davidfisher.biz/photo/2009/sept/2009_09_24/IMG_sept-24-09-0003.jpg
By MatrixElement on UT.
From today around suppertime:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/3951964352_7d1ddf85e4.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41002894@N07/3951964352/
kazetuner September 25th, 2009, 06:16 AM Well, this time i'll have to eat my words, this is now stunning :okay:
Taller, Better September 25th, 2009, 04:11 PM http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/700822
Bay St. landmark to lose its marble
Sep 25, 2009 04:30 AM
Jennifer Yang
STAFF REPORTER
When First Canadian Place was built in 1975, owner Paul Reichmann boasted the tower would be clad with "16 miles of marble."
"It was a mark of distinction for the building," recalls banker Richard O'Hagan, who worked at First Canadian Place shortly after it opened for business.
So the Reichmanns imported 45,000 slabs of Carrara marble from Italy and today, First Canadian Place is said to have more Carrara marble than any other building in the world.
But on Wednesday, the building's owners announced that First Canadian Place is losing its claim to marble fame. By the end of 2011, Brookfield Properties will replace all the Italian marble with white made-in-Canada glass.
"It was clear that the marble curtain had deteriorated," said Tom Farley, president and CEO of Brookfield's Canadian commercial properties.
Today, its rows of marble tiles resemble something more akin to a smoker's grin: many slabs are blackened and a yellow stain is spreading along some of the seams.
"As you can tell just by looking at it, there are some visual issues," said Stefan Dembinski, Brookfield's senior vice-president of asset management in Eastern Canada.
But the problem is more than cosmetic. A notoriously soft material, the marble has been weakened by harsh Toronto winters and in 2007, a marble slab came unstuck and plummeted 50 storeys. About 10 per cent of the slabs have been replaced over the years.
Carrara marble has also been a problem for other cities. In the early '90s, Chicago's Aon Center – designed by the same architect as First Canadian Place, Edward Durell Stone – also replaced its Carrara marble, to the tune of $80 million (U.S.).
In Toronto, First Canadian Place's facelift will cost at least $100 million (Cdn.), Farley says. About 65 per cent will be spent on replacing the façade, with the rest for other renovations.
But First Canadian Place will remain a white building, thanks to the "fritted" (ceramic-enamel coated) glass panels, which have small white particles baked in.
Some parts of the building will also be keeping their marble, including the lobby and the first two storeys of the exterior.
As for the rest of the 45,000 slabs? All will be recycled, says Dembinski, either crushed up into rooftop ballast or donated to art projects.
filcan September 26th, 2009, 03:34 AM Another image from the webpage
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1774/visiont.jpg
^^I don't see a difference. :dunno:
Skybean September 26th, 2009, 03:42 AM I think that is a real shot, not a rendering of the old building with new cladding.
filcan September 26th, 2009, 03:49 AM ^^Ah ok...Still can't wait to see the new cladding completed and possibly new lighting as well. :D
Kurtin September 26th, 2009, 04:37 PM This building looks different but still keeps its character without the Marble,
Here one way quicker to get the old cladding off First Canada Place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaEucbtNvOA
valantino September 26th, 2009, 05:59 PM Why change it? The facade is attacking people!!!!!
valantino September 26th, 2009, 06:15 PM Well it's certainly a welcome change. The aging marble paneling is an embarrassment for Toronto's tallest office building. On the other hand, I was hoping for something a little bolder and more interesting, while this is still pretty conservative. Toronto needs another icon in it's skyline.
So basically, you were hoping they'd throw out any heritage value for some latest fad. The only reason I support this re-cladding is because the marble is structurally unsound. I don't think I'm alone either.
I can't wait until this city gets a damn supertall though. I really couldn't care less except that it may finally shut up the height crowd ... at least for a while. (and make it some "not a box" phallus to kill two birds with one stone)
Taller, Better September 26th, 2009, 06:43 PM ^^ x2
isaidso September 27th, 2009, 03:20 AM That's wishful thinking. Then people will want a second super tall. It's human nature to continually want more.
Uaarkson September 30th, 2009, 03:46 AM The 'fritted' glass panels sound amazing, I'm sure this will look awesome when it's done.
Ukraine September 30th, 2009, 03:51 AM It would've been better if they did a mosaic cladding with different colors like white,a little bit of blue and some cyan :nuts: just randomly put throughout the building.
Anyway i still like the cladding awesome job toronto :)
Ukraine September 30th, 2009, 03:56 AM ^^
what does it have to do with the BMO center???
MissyC September 30th, 2009, 09:30 PM I totally agree with FFJ. Just the way it is, only cleaner. The tallest skyscraper of entire Canada is white, resembling the snow and the cold or cleanliness and sheer beauty of the so called great white north?!, I am not sure, so it has to be kept that way, pure white, clean and as significant as it is for Canada and the world.
I 'ven't seen any other skyscraper that tall being so white. (perhaps US First bank Los Angeles that has the same height and storeys but kind of off-white/baby-blue-ish)
Uaarkson September 30th, 2009, 09:55 PM I don't know, Aon Center is pretty white.
PortoNuts September 30th, 2009, 10:04 PM It will be much more shiny! :cheers:
MissyC October 1st, 2009, 10:05 AM I don't know, Aon Center is pretty white.
Oh yes, true. But AON isn't considered the tallest of entire USA, right? while FCP is the tallest of all Canada. :)
Uaarkson October 1st, 2009, 06:46 PM Well, you couldn't think of any buildings as tall or as white as FCP, which is why I mentioned Aon because it's taller.
Ramako October 2nd, 2009, 09:30 PM I don't know, Aon Center is pretty white.
Same architect too.
MissyC October 2nd, 2009, 10:06 PM Ramako, I didn't know that. how interesting.
Actually, AON and FCP look pretty identical too! except for FCP being the tallest skyscraper in Canada.
Uaarkson October 13th, 2009, 07:53 AM Updates?
yin_yang October 16th, 2009, 03:31 AM nothing yet...canada is slow, eh?
FFJ-MTL October 16th, 2009, 03:38 AM nothing yet...canada is slow, eh?
The recladding started about one month ago, but I don't have any pictures.
TheCanadianEuro October 17th, 2009, 02:23 AM You know people,I should stop saying random things if I do not have anything actually informative to say,it just makes me look like a fool.
hkskyline October 30th, 2009, 09:24 PM Brookfield Properties Announces Recladding of First Canadian Place in Toronto
TORONTO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sep. 23, 2009-- Brookfield Properties Corporation (BPO: NYSE, TSX), its Canadian-based subsidiary, BPO Properties Ltd. (BPP: TSX), along with ownership partners Canada Pension Plan Investment Board (CPPIB) and Alberta Investment Management Corporation (AIMCo), today announced that First Canadian Place in downtown Toronto will undergo a thorough renovation program, including a total recladding of the building’s exterior with glass spandrel panels to replace the existing white marble. The project will begin immediately and is expected to be completed by the end of 2011.
“This rejuvenation program will reinforce the iconic status of one of Canada’s most prominent and recognizable buildings,” said Tom Farley, President & CEO of Canadian Commercial Operations for Brookfield Properties.
The overall recladding project includes the installation of 7,800 glass spandrel panels on the building façade, totaling 375,000 square feet; the existing 45,000 pieces of marble will be removed and recycled. One glass spandrel panel replaces eight pieces of marble. The existing windows will remain in place.
The spandrel panels are a laminated glass assembly utilizing ceramic frit as well as clear and opaque interlayer technologies. Inspired by historic patterns and geometry used by First Canadian Place architect Edward Durell Stone, the frit design projects a luminous white texture on the building façade from top to bottom, updating the original appearance of the white Carrera marble. Bronze laminate glass will be applied along the four recessed vertical corners to emphasize the building’s form and height. Laminate glass was selected for its strength, sustainability and safety.
Moed de Armas & Shannon Architects are the design architects while B+H Architects are the Architects of Record, as they were when the tower was originally built in 1975. The fritting was designed by Doyle Partners.
In addition to the recladding, the office lobbies, retail areas and mechanical and electrical systems of First Canadian Place will undergo extensive renovation. Enhanced energy conservation measures and infrastructure upgrades will be made in order to obtain LEED – EB:OM certification (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design for Existing Buildings: Operations and Maintenance). The update includes a complete chiller and transformer replacement and the installation of high-efficiency toilets and faucets.
First Canadian Place was acquired by Brookfield and its partners in 2005. The 72-storey, 2.8-million-square foot office tower is 95% leased.
Further information on the renovation program can be found at www.redefiningfirst.com.
Uaarkson November 6th, 2009, 06:25 PM Any updates on this one?
Jim856796 November 8th, 2009, 03:50 PM Just one thing: Why are the corners of First Canadian Place brown-coloured? Facade enhancement purposes?
bodmon November 9th, 2009, 12:34 AM any progress yet?
Marcanadian November 9th, 2009, 01:26 AM From urbantoronto.ca
Workers were hard at it today
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto6/newfcp1.jpg
Maybe the new panels are in these crates
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto6/newfcp2.jpg
MissyC November 9th, 2009, 06:14 PM yeah, finally!!!! FCP so hardly needed some recladding, specially knowing Pan Am games will come to Toronto!
it will by then be shiny, gleaming beautifully white in the night sky! wow
721irnwrkr November 16th, 2009, 08:39 AM The company i work for is recladding the BMO ... yes it is going to be glass, but not like BAC. The glass on the straight walls will be white and the glass panels on the corners (the indent) will be a dark bronze...almost black in colour. Clifford Masonary is removing the marble and Sota Glazing is reglazing. Ellis Don is the general contractor. Its scheduled for 2 years.
721irnwrkr November 16th, 2009, 08:54 AM Sota Glazing is useing BASS INSTALLATION as their unionized labor force in Toronto.
MissyC November 16th, 2009, 03:01 PM I am not an expert, but sounds good to me.
Jim856796 November 17th, 2009, 07:17 AM I know the podium is supposed to retain its existing marble cladding, but eventually, we may have too see that reclad, also.
S.T.Y AP November 20th, 2009, 03:07 AM simple!
hkskyline December 8th, 2009, 07:00 AM BPP Brookfield Properties, BPO refinance First Cdn Place
1 December 2009
Canada Stockwatch
Brookfield Properties Corp. and its Canadian-based subsidiary, BPO Properties Ltd., along with ownership partners Canada Pension Plan Investment Board (CPPIB) and Alberta Investment Management Corp. (AIMCo), have completed the refinancing of First Canadian Place in Toronto, with $310-million, five-year first mortgage bonds. CIBC World Markets Inc. and RBC Dominion Securities Inc. acted as agents on the transaction.
The financing was completed at a fixed rate of 5.367 per cent. Proceeds from the financing will be used to repay the existing first mortgage bonds which matured on Dec. 1, 2009, and to pay for costs associated with the building's rejuvenation program previously announced in Stockwatch on Sept. 23, 2009.
"The ability to execute a large-scale refinancing in a still challenging credit environment underscores the market's high regard for premier assets like First Canadian Place," said Tom Farley, president and chief executive officer of Brookfield's Canadian commercial operations.
First Canadian Place is a 72-storey, 2.7-million-square-foot, Class AAA office and retail complex located in the heart of Toronto's central business district. Canada's tallest office tower, it is an iconic and dominant feature of the Toronto skyline. The property is currently 95 per cent leased and has been the headquarters of the Bank of Montreal since the building opened in 1975.
hkskyline January 28th, 2010, 05:04 PM By nicetommy from urbantoronto.ca taken on 1/17
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2751/4279857446_2c046b026b_o.jpg
mclancer January 31st, 2010, 07:29 AM Anyone have a picture of the new cladding?
isaidso January 31st, 2010, 11:26 AM Anyone have a picture of the new cladding?
It was posted on page 1, but here it is again:
http://www.redefiningfirst.com/Downloads/Images/Fcp-Building-Rendering.jpg
http://www.redefiningfirst.com
Ni3lS February 28th, 2010, 01:51 AM FyrJPkpyaTc
caltrane74, SSP
hkskyline February 28th, 2010, 04:21 PM ^ There's no First Canadian Place in the video. It's about Yonge-Dundas Square a few blocks northeast.
Ni3lS March 1st, 2010, 09:27 PM Well, it was posted in the First Canadian Place thread so I'm sure there is something about the tower in the video.
Canadian Chocho March 1st, 2010, 11:48 PM it looks great!!
hkskyline March 9th, 2010, 02:36 PM By dt_toronto_geek from urbantoronto.ca - posted 3/8
The north and east face of FCP today
Click on the thumbnail to enlarge, then click again on the image for full size.
http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/scullydog259/th_FCP1_Mar8-10.jpg (http://s770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/scullydog259/FCP1_Mar8-10.jpg) http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/scullydog259/th_FCP2_Mar8-10.jpg (http://s770.photobucket.com/albums/xx341/scullydog259/FCP2_Mar8-10.jpg)
gmbarill March 10th, 2010, 07:59 AM this photo shows the scaffolding up both sides of the tower... looks scary
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gbarill/4421905442/" title="Nathan Phillips Square Panorama by gbarill, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4421905442_02a2c27fb5.jpg" width="500" height="271" alt="Nathan Phillips Square Panorama" /></a>
sky-by March 11th, 2010, 08:44 AM ^^
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4421905442_02a2c27fb5.jpg
MissyC March 12th, 2010, 09:26 PM what if there will be at least 2 more skyscrapers and both taller than FCP filling the gaps!
hope to see that gap being filled someday soon too.
sumisu March 12th, 2010, 09:31 PM How 'bout we reclad the Sheraton, the Hilton, the Bay building, and the Intercontinental too!
MissyC March 12th, 2010, 10:32 PM LOL ... not such a bad idea though...
oh btw, the picture somehow reminds me of " Houston" or " Dallas" ... :-)
hkskyline March 13th, 2010, 05:39 PM Video by caltrane74 from urbantoronto.ca :
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MissyC March 13th, 2010, 08:55 PM if you were working for a Call Center, I d love to have you calling me all the time!!!!
hkskyline March 14th, 2010, 07:06 AM if you were working for a Call Center, I d love to have you calling me all the time!!!!
They'll probably be out somewhere in New Brunswick!
MissyC March 15th, 2010, 05:13 PM They'll probably be out somewhere in New Brunswick!
I did make the comment meant as a compliment for your voice. :)
hkskyline March 15th, 2010, 05:36 PM I did make the comment meant as a compliment for your voice. :)
Oh that's not my video - the source is at the top of that post.
MissyC March 15th, 2010, 07:34 PM OEPS!! I did it again... LOL
hkskyline March 27th, 2010, 07:57 PM By caltrane74 from urbantoronto.ca :
BAxtdMRPy64
hkskyline March 28th, 2010, 08:02 PM By Hypnotoad from urbantoronto.ca :
March 27
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2789/4468351280_2172a8d568_b.jpg
hkskyline April 12th, 2010, 05:10 PM By nicetommy from urbantoronto.ca :
West side of tower today, the hoist platform has reached the top:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4505858956_71662ffe0f_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4505858858_7d8a71edf2_o.jpg
Langur April 15th, 2010, 01:44 AM The new cladding will freshen it up, but if they want to complete the job, they should get rid of the ugly antennae on the roof.
hkskyline April 17th, 2010, 07:03 AM By current from urbantoronto.ca :
April 12
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4521174059_733a2715f9_b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/4521174059_733a2715f9_b.jpg)
hkskyline April 28th, 2010, 05:04 PM By interchange42's from urbantoronto.ca :
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/RitzViewsIMG_2220.jpg
Skybean April 29th, 2010, 04:57 AM Prep work is taking so long...
hkskyline May 23rd, 2010, 05:38 PM First posted by yyzhyd from urbantoronto.ca :
Was out for a walk at lunch and upon returning to FCP I noticed that workers have installed three cladding pieces on the podium facing Wellington. What you can't see in the iPhone picture is that each panel is different. The difference being that the triangles are different sizes, the right being large and easily visible across the street, the far left being smaller but visible upon closer look and the middle panel has very small almost indistinguishable triangles.
I wonder if they are still deciding on which one to use?? Or maybe just for the podium?
All three seemed to be quite bright white, reflective and shiny... a good sign for sure.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4618773155_3d019114db_o.jpg
My Flickr photostream:http://www.flickr.com/photos/kazimalikhan
Jim856796 May 30th, 2010, 12:25 AM I would also be happy if First Canadian pace became an environmentally-friendly building as well.
Elnerico May 30th, 2010, 09:22 PM I think they are doing that, revamping some things.
http://www.redefiningfirst.com/img/overview/timeline/graph.png
read about it here.
http://www.redefiningfirst.com/Overview/Timeline.aspx
hkskyline May 31st, 2010, 05:36 PM Where is the upper lobby? Higher floors need to transfer elevators?
hkskyline June 14th, 2010, 05:14 PM By androiduk from urbantoronto.ca :
Now that the base of City Hall is open again, FCP takes centre stage when viewed from the north. The re-cladding should make it look brilliant from this vantage point.
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto9/fcpnch.jpg
Skybean June 17th, 2010, 08:19 AM Taken by me
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6075/img0039am.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9752/img0041jnv.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/4919/img0053fy.jpg
hkskyline June 21st, 2010, 06:25 PM By interchange42 from urbantoronto.ca :
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/BMOfromPanorama.jpg
hkskyline June 29th, 2010, 02:58 PM By nicetommy from urbantoronto.ca :
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1396/4734237567_6f6fd136e5_b.jpg
hkskyline July 2nd, 2010, 06:16 PM By catcher_of_cats from urbantoronto.ca :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/4750266829_bf0b2db63f_b.jpg
Innsertnamehere July 4th, 2010, 08:04 PM awesome pic!
hkskyline July 13th, 2010, 04:00 PM By Mo-tage from urbantoronto.ca :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4788045569_a3bbbef6af_b.jpg
desertpunk July 14th, 2010, 01:12 AM By androiduk from urbantoronto.ca :
Now that the base of City Hall is open again, FCP takes centre stage when viewed from the north. The re-cladding should make it look brilliant from this vantage point.
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto9/fcpnch.jpg
Fabulous shot!
Innsertnamehere July 20th, 2010, 04:27 AM UPDATE:
crappy quality is because main camera was out of batteries, so i had to resort to my phone camera :(
http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/innsertnamehere/toronto%20july%202010/SSPX0151.jpg
http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/innsertnamehere/toronto%20july%202010/SSPX0134.jpg
taken today by me, today :)
SNAEK July 22nd, 2010, 12:01 PM its really sooooo cooool
Arrrgh July 22nd, 2010, 05:27 PM ^^ Sorry but I can't agree... Yet another boring tower for Toronto...
Marcanadian July 22nd, 2010, 06:29 PM It's an existing building, so I don't understand why you used the term 'yet another boring tower'. It's just being recladded, updated if you will.
MissyC July 22nd, 2010, 07:15 PM ^^ Sorry but I can't agree... Yet another boring tower for Toronto...
Speak for yourself and your own boring country and especially city of "Gouda" ... yaks! :ohno:
OMH July 23rd, 2010, 11:05 PM So that's why the BMO tower is covered by Scaffolding...and I was wondering...
Spoolmak July 24th, 2010, 02:53 AM ^^ Sorry but I can't agree... Yet another boring tower for Toronto...
Lol this is funny. You say it like you know of all the "boring" towers going up in Toronto, as if you know the city so well. If you did, you would know this tower is almost 40 years old.
SNAEK July 24th, 2010, 09:02 AM ^^ Sorry but I can't agree... Yet another boring tower for Toronto...
what kind of tower do u like ..??
like this
http://i6.tinypic.com/149yud4.jpg
or this
http://emsnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/picture-56.png?w=384&h=765
i think the challenge is ,to build a huge tower without any sally things like this >> :tiasd:
MissyC July 24th, 2010, 12:40 PM Let him talk, so double Dutch!
Ni3lS July 24th, 2010, 02:39 PM ^^ Sorry but I can't agree... Yet another boring tower for Toronto...
It's not another boring tower for Toronto. It's an already existing tower and it's getting brand new cladding!
Speak for yourself and your own boring country and especially city of "Gouda" ... yaks! :ohno:
Please, no personal attacks. It's his opinion and what you're saying has nothing to do with that.
SNAEK July 24th, 2010, 04:04 PM Lol this is funny. You say it like you know of all the "boring" towers going up in Toronto, as if you know the city so well. If you did, you would know this tower is almost 40 years old.
well , thats really interesting :cool:
i thought they just have finished construction of the tower
soooo cooooooool :D
NiMi1981 July 24th, 2010, 10:42 PM Speak for yourself and your own boring country and especially city of "Gouda" ... yaks! :ohno:
Very smart comment- chapeau! :ohno:
Jim856796 July 25th, 2010, 12:45 AM The new cladding will freshen it up, but if they want to complete the job, they should get rid of the ugly antennae on the roof.
Or cut it down to only one antenna or spire.
Nadini July 25th, 2010, 06:19 AM My visit to Toronto :)
Courtesy of me
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad345/Nadini1/P1180656.jpg
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad345/Nadini1/P1180654.jpg
http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad345/Nadini1/P1180649.jpg
SNAEK July 25th, 2010, 07:20 AM ^^
wonderful update :okay:
but, do u know guys, how long its gonna take to completed ..??
hkskyline July 28th, 2010, 05:19 PM ^^
wonderful update :okay:
but, do u know guys, how long its gonna take to completed ..??
Brookfield Properties Announces Recladding of First Canadian Place in Toronto
Canada’s Tallest Office Building to Undergo Major Interior and Exterior Renovation to Achieve LEED Certification
TORONTO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sep. 23, 2009-- Brookfield Properties Corporation (BPO: NYSE, TSX), its Canadian-based subsidiary, BPO Properties Ltd. (BPP: TSX), along with ownership partners Canada Pension Plan Investment Board (CPPIB) and Alberta Investment Management Corporation (AIMCo), today announced that First Canadian Place in downtown Toronto will undergo a thorough renovation program, including a total recladding of the building’s exterior with glass spandrel panels to replace the existing white marble. The project will begin immediately and is expected to be completed by the end of 2011.
“This rejuvenation program will reinforce the iconic status of one of Canada’s most prominent and recognizable buildings,” said Tom Farley, President & CEO of Canadian Commercial Operations for Brookfield Properties.
The overall recladding project includes the installation of 7,800 glass spandrel panels on the building façade, totaling 375,000 square feet; the existing 45,000 pieces of marble will be removed and recycled. One glass spandrel panel replaces eight pieces of marble. The existing windows will remain in place.
The spandrel panels are a laminated glass assembly utilizing ceramic frit as well as clear and opaque interlayer technologies. Inspired by historic patterns and geometry used by First Canadian Place architect Edward Durell Stone, the frit design projects a luminous white texture on the building façade from top to bottom, updating the original appearance of the white Carrera marble. Bronze laminate glass will be applied along the four recessed vertical corners to emphasize the building’s form and height. Laminate glass was selected for its strength, sustainability and safety.
Moed de Armas & Shannon Architects are the design architects while B+H Architects are the Architects of Record, as they were when the tower was originally built in 1975. The fritting was designed by Doyle Partners.
In addition to the recladding, the office lobbies, retail areas and mechanical and electrical systems of First Canadian Place will undergo extensive renovation. Enhanced energy conservation measures and infrastructure upgrades will be made in order to obtain LEED – EB:OM certification (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design for Existing Buildings: Operations and Maintenance). The update includes a complete chiller and transformer replacement and the installation of high-efficiency toilets and faucets.
First Canadian Place was acquired by Brookfield and its partners in 2005. The 72-storey, 2.8-million-square foot office tower is 95% leased.
Further information on the renovation program can be found at www.redefiningfirst.com.
Brookfield Properties Profile
Brookfield Properties owns, develops and manages premier office properties. Its current portfolio is comprised of interests in 108 properties totaling 75 million square feet in the downtown cores of New York, Boston, Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, Houston, Toronto, Calgary and Ottawa, making it one of the largest owners of commercial real estate in North America. Landmark assets include the World Financial Center in Manhattan, Brookfield Place in Toronto, Bank of America Plaza in Los Angeles and Bankers Hall in Calgary. The company’s common shares trade on the NYSE and TSX under the symbol BPO. For more information, visit www.brookfieldproperties.com.
BPO Properties Profile
BPO Properties Ltd., 90% owned by Brookfield Properties Corporation, is a Canadian company that invests in real estate, focusing on the ownership and value enhancement of premier office properties. The current property portfolio is comprised of interests in 27 commercial properties totaling 18.1 million square feet. Landmark properties include First Canadian Place in Toronto and Bankers Hall in Calgary. BPO Properties’ common shares trade on the TSX under the symbol BPP. For more information, visit www.bpoproperties.com.
Forward-Looking Statements
This press release contains forward-looking statements and information within the meaning of applicable securities legislation. Although Brookfield Properties and BPO Properties believe that the anticipated future results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements and information are based upon reasonable assumptions and expectations, the reader should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements and information because they involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors which may cause the actual results, performance or achievements of the company to differ materially from anticipated future results, performance or achievement expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements and information. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in the forward-looking statements and information include general economic conditions; local real estate conditions, including the development of properties in close proximity to the companies’ properties; timely leasing of newly-developed properties and re-leasing of occupied square footage upon expiration;; the uncertainties of real estate development ; interest rates; availability of equity and debt financing; and other risks and factors described from time to time in the documents filed by the companies with the securities regulators in Canada and the United States including in the Annual Information Form under the heading "Business of Brookfield Properties (BPO Properties) - Company and Real Estate Industry Risks." The companies undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements or information, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law.
Source: Brookfield Properties Corporation
ScraperDude July 28th, 2010, 05:59 PM I can't wait to see it finished! FCP's been riding durrrrty for way too long.
Manitopiaaa July 28th, 2010, 10:45 PM Looks plain
Marcanadian July 29th, 2010, 04:32 AM Why is everybody pissing on this building when the cladding hasn't even been revealed yet? FCP is a 30+ year old skyscraper and is just now getting a retrofit, so of course it's going to look bad at this stage.
mclancer July 29th, 2010, 04:54 AM Maybe as part of the refresh, they should add a spire on top,
(something like WTC #1) so Canada could have it's first supertall.
ScraperDude July 29th, 2010, 02:51 PM Well I agree with some that the antenna cluster looks just junky but I LOVE FCP and always will. Even if they reclad it in hot pink. It's a landmark.
Especially in the 80's when so many movies were filmed in Toronto and they would try to pass them off as US cities and you could clearly see FCP with the old BMO sign.
MissyC July 29th, 2010, 02:55 PM Well I agree with some that the antenna cluster looks just junky but I LOVE FCP and always will. Even if they reclad it in hot pink. It's a landmark.
Especially in the 80's when so many movies were filmed in Toronto and they would try to pass them off as US cities and you could clearly see FCP with the old BMO sign.
:lol: hot pink :lol: that can be a good idea since I suppose Toronto is already the best Gay capital of the world. Maybe they can put it in pink spotlights when the recladding in beautiful off-white is finished and celebrate the Gay Pride that way. :)
ScraperDude July 29th, 2010, 05:38 PM :lol: hot pink :lol: that can be a good idea since I suppose Toronto is already the best Gay capital of the world. Maybe they can put it in pink spotlights when the recladding in beautiful off-white is finished and celebrate the Gay Pride that way. :)
Well I prefer it to be bedazzled and covered in glitter with a 1000 foot feather boa wrapped near the top billowing... but pink lighting will do. :cheer:
MissyC July 30th, 2010, 02:23 PM Well I prefer it to be bedazzled and covered in glitter with a 1000 foot feather boa wrapped near the top billowing... but pink lighting will do. :cheer:
Yep, Pink Lightning will do!
I rather see CN tower being covered with those little sparkling lights at nights just as the Eiffel Tower! Imagine the effect it does if on an hour, the tower starts to twinkle! :nuts:
ScraperDude July 30th, 2010, 02:27 PM I can't wait to see it at sunrise/sunset once it's finished.
MissyC July 30th, 2010, 02:31 PM I can't wait to see it at sunrise/sunset once it's finished.
FCP is finished long long time ago. I know what you mean. When it is reclad in beautiful clean white/off-white stones or what so ever, it ll be light the Snow White beauty in the great City of Toronto. :):banana:
ScraperDude July 30th, 2010, 04:08 PM FCP is finished long long time ago. I know what you mean. When it is reclad in beautiful clean white/off-white stones or what so ever, it ll be light the Snow White beauty in the great City of Toronto. :):banana:
Yea definitely speaking of the reclad. FCP has been there as long as I can remember and when I first started visting Toronto when I was younger, I thought it was so tall and strong looking. Just there... like a sentry, watching over the city.
ProudArabian July 30th, 2010, 04:10 PM this building reminds of the world trade center building in dubai which was built in the 1970's, when was this built?
MissyC July 30th, 2010, 04:49 PM this building reminds of the world trade center building in dubai which was built in the 1970's, when was this built?
HUH? I 've never seen any building as such in Dubai, do you have any pictures of the one you mention? You don't mean the twin towers, right?
This one is also built late 60's, early 70's too as far as I am concerned.
ProudArabian July 30th, 2010, 04:57 PM ^ this one, ofcourse this Dubai building is only 40 floors, its was the tallest in Dubai when built in 1977, ofcourse its a bit different too, I didn;t say exactly same
http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/0d/07/4623de3e-002c3-021de-400cb8e1
http://www.guide2dubai.com/gallery/tradecenter_dubai.jpg
http://www.mvk.ru/upload_images/dwtc2.jpg
hkskyline July 30th, 2010, 06:22 PM There's also one in Hong Kong that is going through a reclad with a white base, although don't think it was marble.
By Car L :
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Genuine007/UC/100726c_002s.jpg
MissyC July 30th, 2010, 07:27 PM ^ this one, ofcourse this Dubai building is only 40 floors, its was the tallest in Dubai when built in 1977, ofcourse its a bit different too, I didn;t say exactly same
http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/0d/07/4623de3e-002c3-021de-400cb8e1
http://www.guide2dubai.com/gallery/tradecenter_dubai.jpg
http://www.mvk.ru/upload_images/dwtc2.jpg
Oh yes, that is true!!! hey, this is funny, I didn't know about this one at all and should admit that if this one was built twice that large and taller, it would 've been such a lovely addition to the city of Dubai, even now.
Are you sure it does count 40 floors? I don't think so, it should be max. 30 storeys tall though.
I wonder what indeed if they 'd replace the antennae atop of FCP with one as such! could look even better.:)
ProudArabian July 31st, 2010, 01:25 AM ^ i have read anywhere from 35-40 floors, i dont know how they count that, i believe the building also has some basment floors, i am not sure if they are counting them too. Its definatly 30 floors for sure though
SNAEK August 1st, 2010, 07:55 AM any update guys ..? :?
hkskyline August 1st, 2010, 03:24 PM By Jasonzed from urbantoronto.ca :
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii108/jasonzedd/Mississauga/20100725A029.jpg
SNAEK August 1st, 2010, 11:26 PM great update :okay:
the man from k-town August 2nd, 2010, 11:23 AM wondeful picture! ^^
KevD August 2nd, 2010, 11:42 AM Sweet! It will look so much cleaner.
Rory Stott August 3rd, 2010, 04:22 PM Why change it? The facade is attacking people!!!!!
I know that if I was going to be killed, I would want it to be from a falling piece of Carrera Marble. :lol:
As to all the people who say to get rid of the antennae on the roof, They're still being used! if you don't believe me, check out
http://www.openbuildings.com/buildings/first-canadian-place-profile-540.html
ScraperDude August 3rd, 2010, 07:22 PM I know that if I was going to be killed, I would want it to be from a falling piece of Carrera Marble. :lol:
As to all the people who say to get rid of the antennae on the roof, They're still being used! if you don't believe me, check out
http://www.openbuildings.com/buildings/first-canadian-place-profile-540.html
I'm aware that the antenna are still being used. Lots of radio stations use them and tv. It's just clutterd and messy looking.
Uaarkson August 3rd, 2010, 07:28 PM They should replace what's already there with a single, larger antenna.
MysticMcGoo August 5th, 2010, 06:14 AM ^^I Agree. Perhaps a little something like this:
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx148/mariusbleek/wtc-antenna.jpg
I honestly think they are going to leave it as is though. It doesn't really bother me either way.
ScraperDude August 5th, 2010, 05:32 PM They should replace what's already there with a single, larger antenna.
Agree, it could look quite sleek
MissyC August 5th, 2010, 05:36 PM I rather see a John Hancock or a Sears Tower alike Antenna, but it is still looking good as it is right now which won't be changed anyway.
hkskyline August 17th, 2010, 06:22 PM By nicetommy from urbantoronto.ca :
updated Friday, Aug 6
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4867546854_7486c6f964_o.jpg
Before:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4650827957_f5f2be5368_b.jpg
Viperfreak2 August 18th, 2010, 02:38 PM :lol: hot pink :lol: that can be a good idea since I suppose Toronto is already the best Gay capital of the world. Maybe they can put it in pink spotlights when the recladding in beautiful off-white is finished and celebrate the Gay Pride that way. :)
Have you ever seen the pink building in Charlotte NC?
http://arlingtoncharlotte.com/
MissyC August 18th, 2010, 03:08 PM No!!!! how funny ... well, honestly, it does look quite fine to me aside of the fact that when living there, one does no need to give directions to guests! ;)
ScraperDude August 18th, 2010, 04:25 PM [QUOTE=Viperfreak2;62180433]Have you ever seen the pink building in Charlotte NC?
http://arlingtoncharlotte.com/[/QUOTE
A friend of mine lives in that building (The Arlington) Its looks nothing like it was supposed to. The height/color were altered so much. :cry:
hkskyline August 22nd, 2010, 08:42 AM By Mo-tage from urbantoronto.ca :
The very top is looking pretty bright and shiny in yesterday's sunset compared to the rest.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4865977372_12717506e4_b.jpg
MissyC August 24th, 2010, 11:56 AM [QUOTE=Viperfreak2;62180433]Have you ever seen the pink building in Charlotte NC?
http://arlingtoncharlotte.com/[/QUOTE
A friend of mine lives in that building (The Arlington) Its looks nothing like it was supposed to. The height/color were altered so much. :cry:
You are funny ... and have funny friends too ... anyway, I might like to live in a pink building as long as in an upscale neighbourhood cause pink is a fave colour of mine. :lol:
ChitownCity August 24th, 2010, 07:25 PM Doesn't look too bad in my opinion...
Innsertnamehere August 26th, 2010, 02:28 AM saw it in person yesterday night..... its ALOT better! i can't wait for this to be done!
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Elkhanan1 August 26th, 2010, 05:58 PM By nicetommy on UT.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4924110634_01e972cc95_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4923692231_b635c651ff_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4923918811_d06f8fe52e_o.jpg
By interchange on UT.
Shot from King Street West:
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/FCP1stReveal1.jpg
Shot through glass (sorry, some small tint unavoidable!):
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/FCP1stReveal2.jpg
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/FCP1stReveal3.jpg
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/FCP1stReveal4.jpg
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/FCPSunsetGlow.jpg
One of the construction workers, apparently bedding down for the evening. Sleeping bag up there with him?
http://urbantoronto.ca/picoftheday/images/FCPGuyOnRoof.jpg
hkskyline August 29th, 2010, 04:43 PM Are the elevators covered or open-air?
Uaarkson August 29th, 2010, 05:06 PM One of the construction workers, apparently bedding down for the evening. Sleeping bag up there with him?
Those are clearly his legs.
Haljackey September 6th, 2010, 08:21 PM New BMO sign being errected:
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto10/bmosigno1.jpg
Good as new! :banana:
yin_yang September 7th, 2010, 01:44 AM looks good to me, but it'll be a month or two before i'm sure of that thought. thanks for the closeup photographs!! :):)
Haljackey September 13th, 2010, 06:32 AM New pictures from Urban Toronto.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4978093365_1bd49893c6_b.jpg
A new BMO sign is up!
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii108/jasonzedd/Mississauga4/062.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii108/jasonzedd/Mississauga4/063.jpg
And another one going in on another side of the building:
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto10/bmowest.jpg
whitefordj September 13th, 2010, 06:51 AM It looks a lot more Glassy. I really don’t think it’s that great of an improvement. They, really, over looked the potential for what could have been a spectacular upgrade. This is one of the tallest towers in North America. What is it, like # five or something maybe the sixth tallest? The floors go right to the top as well. It could have made the forth tallest in NA with only cosmetic changes, a "Mega sphere", plus made it shine to boot.
Uaarkson September 13th, 2010, 06:56 AM You'll be surprised when it's done. It'll be many magnitudes brighter and whiter than it is currently, which I imagine will be quite striking in any light. In addition, the corner inlets will be darker and add some vertical lines to what is currently a very horizontal facade.
Haljackey September 13th, 2010, 07:12 AM it looks alot more Glassy. i realy dont think its that great of an improvement. they realy wimped out on what could have been spectacular. this is one of the tallest towers in north america. what like # five or somthing mabeyt the sixth. and floors right to the top as well. they could have made this the forth tallest in NA with cosmetic changes and made it shine to boot.
I agree, but this recladding is better than nothing!
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First Canadian place isn't even a supertall (300m+) so it's not even in the top 10 tallest buildings in North America.
Here's a list of the tallest buildings in North America up to First Canadian Place:
(Does not include ones under construction like the new One World Trade Center.)
1. Willis Tower (Chicago) - 442.1 m
2. Trump International Hotel & Tower (Chicago) - 423.4 m
3. Empire State Building (New York City) - 381 m
4. Bank of America Tower (New York City) - 365.8 m
5. Aon Center (Chicago) - 346.3 m
6. John Hancock Center (Chicago) - 343.7 m
7. Chrysler Building (New York City) - 318.9 m
8. New York Times Tower (New York City) - 318.8 m
9. Bank of America Plaza (Atlanta) - 317 m
10. US Bank Tower (Los Angeles) - 310.3 m
11. AT&T Corporate Center (Chicago) - 306.9 m
12. JPMorgan Chase Tower (Houston) - 305.1 m
13. Two Prudential Plazza (Chicago) - 303.3 m
14. Wells Fargo Plaza (Houston) - 302.4 m
15. First Canadian Place (Toronto) - 298 m
whitefordj September 13th, 2010, 07:22 AM dont get me wrong. this tower is canada's big boy. i just think that they really droped the ball with this big ol tower. twice in fact. the first time with the very un flatering first clad, and now with the reclad that looks almost the same. this big skyscraper deserved better both times.
HipHopCanada September 13th, 2010, 07:48 AM dont get me wrong. this tower is canada's big boy. i just think that they really droped the ball with this big ol tower. twice in fact. the first time with the very un flatering first clad, and now with the reclad that looks almost the same. this big skyscraper deserved better both times.
This was built 40 years ago... what do you want them to do... implode it?
Chad September 13th, 2010, 08:03 AM Honestly, they should had cameup with somehwhat refresher design. This looks nothing better but a cleaner version thats all. :(
Innsertnamehere September 13th, 2010, 09:53 PM I agree, but this recladding is better than nothing!
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First Canadian place isn't even a supertall (300m+) so it's not even in the top 10 tallest buildings in North America.
Here's a list of the tallest buildings in North America up to First Canadian Place:
(Does not include ones under construction like the new One World Trade Center.)
1. Willis Tower (Chicago) - 442.1 m
2. Trump International Hotel & Tower (Chicago) - 423.4 m
3. Empire State Building (New York City) - 381 m
4. Bank of America Tower (New York City) - 365.8 m
5. Aon Center (Chicago) - 346.3 m
6. John Hancock Center (Chicago) - 343.7 m
7. Chrysler Building (New York City) - 318.9 m
8. New York Times Tower (New York City) - 318.8 m
9. Bank of America Plaza (Atlanta) - 317 m
10. US Bank Tower (Los Angeles) - 310.3 m
11. AT&T Corporate Center (Chicago) - 306.9 m
12. JPMorgan Chase Tower (Houston) - 305.1 m
13. Two Prudential Plazza (Chicago) - 303.3 m
14. Wells Fargo Plaza (Houston) - 302.4 m
15. First Canadian Place (Toronto) - 298 m
yes, but you have to include fcp's antennae if you include the new york times antennae, and if you do, it is in sixth place... people always seem to forget that the antennae makes the fcp 355m tall...
Haljackey September 13th, 2010, 10:51 PM Spires count, antennas do not.
The thing sticking out on top of the New York Times tower somehow qualifies as a spire rather than an antenna. I think it's cheating but it counts towards it's total height.
If antennae were included, then the Patronas Towers wouldn't have surpassed the Willis (then Sears) Tower when they were built in 1998. Their roof height is shorter than the Willis, but their spires make them taller.
MysticMcGoo September 13th, 2010, 11:17 PM Honestly, they should had cameup with somehwhat refresher design. This looks nothing better but a cleaner version thats all. :(
How do you just "redesign" a building that's been standing for 40 years?
Do you understand how chaotic working conditions for both construction teams and tenants of the building would become?
Innsertnamehere September 14th, 2010, 01:07 AM look at the axa in paris, it looks like a different building, its taller, and doesn't have any similarities to the old one, IMO
Ramako September 14th, 2010, 04:48 AM look at the axa in paris, it looks like a different building, its taller, and doesn't have any similarities to the old one, IMO
The original AXA was a unimpressive and undistinguished building. FCP is the tallest ever built in Canada, and anchors Toronto's skyline, making it an icon. The idea was not to completely transform the tower, but simply to refresh it.
Taller, Better September 14th, 2010, 06:36 AM It will "shine" when it is done. Have patience! It will be a spectacular improvement.
ps the reason it is technically not a "supertall" is that it does not cheat and include the antennae, as so many other towers around the world have.
Dimethyltryptamine September 14th, 2010, 06:56 AM Spire =/= antennae.
casinoland September 14th, 2010, 06:57 AM I think you know the Oriental Pearl Tower in Shanghai ,Chiana,its also beautiful.but the height is lower than Toronto's First Canadian Place
actually it's about 150 metres taller than FCP
Taller, Better September 14th, 2010, 07:04 AM Spire =/= antennae.
Ain't it the truth? If I had a nickel for every time I saw an antennae called a "spire", or the height
included of it included, I'd be rich! :clown:
MissyC September 15th, 2010, 04:05 AM Ain't it the truth? If I had a nickel for every time I saw an antennae called a "spire", or the height
included of it included, I'd be rich! :clown:
and most will be from me I suppose .. :lol:
whitefordj September 15th, 2010, 01:36 PM This was built 40 years ago... what do you want them to do... implode it?
No!! Honestly I don’t how you get that impression. I love this tower’ and its pure Canadiana. I just think that the cladding jobs were lack-lustre regarding both the original, and the current, examples. As I have stated, they dropped the ball on the cladding. Moreover, with the new redo, why not express you’re self. Why not get a little crazy with the big, tall tower that gives/gave them such awesome (blown outright),............... opportunities.:badnews:
MysticMcGoo September 15th, 2010, 07:31 PM ^^Because of funding. They are already spending $100-million to reclad the building as is. They did not want to go over budget by doing anything that you're talking about.
whitefordj September 15th, 2010, 07:37 PM ^^Because of funding. They are already spending $100-million to reclad the building as is. They did not want to go over budget by doing anything that you're talking about.
I know, its just too bad.
kraperchunks September 26th, 2010, 10:00 PM First hints of new cladding.
It seems to be a tedious procedure.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5010084769_7ae0242080_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54112524@N07/5010084769/in/set-72157625039330422/
Innsertnamehere September 26th, 2010, 10:32 PM yes, but they are still on the top, once they get on the main floors it will speed up.
Marcanadian September 27th, 2010, 07:34 PM Right, it should speed up now. They've been replacing the sign and now that they've hit the windows, it should take half as much time to get it done.
ScraperDude September 28th, 2010, 04:11 AM First hints of new cladding.
It seems to be a tedious procedure.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5010084769_7ae0242080_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54112524@N07/5010084769/in/set-72157625039330422/
It's looking really good so far! I didn't know they were using black in the side setbacks. That's changing it up a little bit. I think it's going to look great once its comeplete. Still if they were to light the entire tower at night (white or in colours) like Bank of America in Miami it would be absoultely awesome.
Innsertnamehere September 29th, 2010, 12:03 AM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5033853898_c89a39f298_o.jpg
caltrane74 (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=4996742&postcount=102), ssp
whitefordj September 29th, 2010, 09:49 AM ^^Because of funding. They are already spending $100-million to reclad the building as is. They did not want to go over budget by doing anything that you're talking about.
they are a bank for Christ sakes.
MysticMcGoo September 29th, 2010, 07:28 PM ^^ Doesn't mean they can pump limitless amounts of money into a recladding project. Do you want Canadian banks to start acting like their American counterparts, and just start throwing money all over the place? We all know how that ended. They have to show restraint.Do you honestly want them to pump half a billion dollars into a 40 year old building just because you "think" it could look better? Jesus Christ man, just be happy with what we're getting.
Ramako September 30th, 2010, 04:59 AM The bank doesn't own the building; they are simply a tenant. Brookfield Properties owns the building.
hkskyline September 30th, 2010, 07:49 PM Naming rights and building ownership are two very different things! :)
hkskyline October 14th, 2010, 07:08 PM By nicetommy from urbantoronto.ca :
Here's a close up shot of the window area:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/5078662623_bcc5362daf_b.jpg
K85 October 14th, 2010, 10:30 PM That is looking really good. Can't wait to see it up close tomorrow :D
maryosawa October 15th, 2010, 05:40 AM Glass cladding please.. hehe.. It would look nice.
Langur October 15th, 2010, 10:04 PM It's going to look really good, like a brand new skyscraper.
hkskyline October 19th, 2010, 05:24 PM By androiduk from urbantoronto.ca :
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto10/bmoclose1.jpg
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto10/bmoclose2.jpg
Taller, Better October 19th, 2010, 06:34 PM It is going to be so fresh and clean looking. The dark horizontal lines of the windows looks blacker now, too.
Ni3lS October 20th, 2010, 12:43 AM Shiny :cool:
MattToronto October 21st, 2010, 06:41 PM It is going to be so fresh and clean looking. The dark horizontal lines of the windows looks blacker now, too.
Hehe I mentioned that in the other thread for this :lol:
They just lowered on the west facade and the horizontal appears even more pronounced. I think the black insets compliment this nicely!
arzaranh October 21st, 2010, 07:30 PM i admit it at first i thought that the re-cladding would at worst ruin it and at best not really improve it. but now...:okay:
arzaranh October 21st, 2010, 07:39 PM double post
MissyC October 22nd, 2010, 04:53 AM I was walking back home tonight and I noticed the new colour when lit at night and wow, it looks really so much nicer than before. FCP will be like THE eyecatcher once the recladding is completed am sure.
MattToronto October 22nd, 2010, 05:59 AM I was walking back home tonight and I noticed the new colour when lit at night and wow, it looks really so much nicer than before. FCP will be like THE eyecatcher once the recladding is completed am sure.
With the reflective surface it will be the gem of the Toronto skyline! :)
MissyC October 22nd, 2010, 06:05 AM With the reflective surface it will be the gem of the Toronto skyline! :)
that was what exactly did catch my eye while walking and knowing it was shortly after sunset and you could easily see how beautifully the upper level was shining and how dull and dark the rest of the tower by comparison was. So true ...
Can't wait to see it being completed and all along with Trump Tower.
Mark Rejhon October 26th, 2010, 04:31 PM I live in Toronto and see this happening everyday, working downtown. I am curious what they are doing with the old marble panels. Kitchen counters? Tile flooring? I'm sure they are being repolished and recycled somewhere.
MissyC October 27th, 2010, 03:54 AM I live in Toronto and see this happening everyday, working downtown. I am curious what they are doing with the old marble panels. Kitchen counters? Tile flooring? I'm sure they are being repolished and recycled somewhere.
They sure will use them in some new condo's lobby, luxuary kitchen for sure :lol:
Skybean October 27th, 2010, 04:46 AM I think they are being ground into sand.
Haljackey October 27th, 2010, 06:36 PM Downtown Toronto Skyline showing FCP's ongoing re-cladding project.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5089919257_f1cee65782_b.jpg
High res here: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5089919257_54847c44f7_o.jpg
Marcanadian October 27th, 2010, 07:10 PM I live in Toronto and see this happening everyday, working downtown. I am curious what they are doing with the old marble panels. Kitchen counters? Tile flooring? I'm sure they are being repolished and recycled somewhere.
I read that they were being donated to arts studios. I also read that some of it may be used as beach sand in the city. Still, I'd like a piece.
Innsertnamehere October 28th, 2010, 01:25 AM i think all of us would.
hkskyline November 3rd, 2010, 07:39 PM By androiduk from urbantoronto.ca :
A couple of workers on the top of the platform check out the windows.
http://andrewfare.com/UTB/mytoronto11/fcpn1.jpg
spectre000 November 3rd, 2010, 09:37 PM Finally things are speeding up. It's looking great so far.
arzaranh November 3rd, 2010, 10:31 PM I read that they were being donated to arts studios. I also read that some of it may be used as beach sand in the city. Still, I'd like a piece.
me too
hkskyline November 4th, 2010, 07:21 PM By Mo-tage from urbantoronto.ca :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/5139689058_7697852deb_b.jpg
Haljackey November 11th, 2010, 04:21 AM Some photos I took of First Canadian Place today.
From the waterfront:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8397/dsc01503pj.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1025/dsc01461zx.jpg
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/6798/dsc01513a.jpg
Around the tower:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4534/dsc01491rk.jpg
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/9370/dsc01485u.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7075/dsc01478m.jpg
In the tower:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/63/dsc01483f.jpg
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9093/dsc01480ua.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4601/dsc01481qg.jpg
Hope you enjoyed them!
spectre000 November 11th, 2010, 06:43 AM This will look fantastic when its finished. Thanks for the pics!
mclancer November 11th, 2010, 06:47 AM Wow! you can really see the difference now!
Looks like they finally "cleaned" the white cladding. lol
MissyC November 12th, 2010, 01:40 AM :master:
love it!
Will Scotia Plaza will be the next one? hopefully they will keep the redish colour and don't turn it to blue.
sodiumchloride November 12th, 2010, 05:19 AM So shiny <3
ScraperDude November 12th, 2010, 05:31 PM :master:
love it!
Will Scotia Plaza will be the next one? hopefully they will keep the redish colour and don't turn it to blue.
Has Scotia gotten dirty over the years too? I barely remember Scotia when I was a kid so I don't remember if it was a brighter shade of red.
MissyC November 12th, 2010, 05:33 PM Has Scotia gotten dirty over the years too? I barely remember Scotia when I was a kid so I don't remember if it was a brighter shade of red.
We should ask it to TB. He sure knows the answer to this one.
It doesn't seem dirty at all, but you never know how city developpers do behave and hopefully none will suddenly decide to go and change its façade.
Or worse, if the Bank itselfs decides to change its logo.
ScraperDude November 12th, 2010, 05:43 PM We should ask it to TB. He sure knows the answer to this one.
It doesn't seem dirty at all, but you never know how city developpers do behave and hopefully none will suddenly decide to go and change its façade.
Or worse, if the Bank itselfs decides to change its logo.
True one never knows how quickly a landmark suck as a skyscraper can have dramatic changes. Even when they changed the signage on top of BCE/Brookfield Place from red to green it was a big noticable difference.
Marcanadian November 12th, 2010, 08:00 PM Scotia doesn't look dirty or aged to me at all. There are a few broken windows though that were fixed via duct tape. :|
ScraperDude November 12th, 2010, 10:24 PM Scotia doesn't look dirty or aged to me at all. There are a few broken windows though that were fixed via duct tape. :|
Sounds like it belongs in Sunnyvale Trailer Park and is managed by Randy and Mr. Lahey. ;)
HipHopCanada November 13th, 2010, 04:41 AM :master:
love it!
Will Scotia Plaza will be the next one? hopefully they will keep the redish colour and don't turn it to blue.
No... it looks perfectly fine. It's only 22 years old.
MissyC November 13th, 2010, 09:43 PM No... it looks perfectly fine. It's only 22 years old.
oh good.. cause I really love the building and the way it is. :)
hkskyline November 14th, 2010, 03:58 AM By nicetommy from urbantoronto.ca :
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/5171211406_d86e37d4df_b.jpg
AndrewJM3D November 14th, 2010, 10:32 PM edit
MissyC November 14th, 2010, 11:04 PM :lovethem: in love with this picture ...wow:nuts:
gunslinger November 16th, 2010, 01:10 AM It's great to see Toronto is booming. When I was in town two years ago it left a very European feeling with late evening streets in downtown filled with people and music - a rare quality for North American cities.
MissyC November 17th, 2010, 02:48 AM edit
MattToronto November 17th, 2010, 03:27 AM ^^ 300 Front? I dunno, that's a VERY tough angle to render from. The lighting is also very wild.
hkskyline November 18th, 2010, 04:51 PM By Solaris from urbantoronto.ca :
Northeast Elevations
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/Solaris_Metrogate/August%202010%20onwards/IMG_5121.jpg
Northwest Elevations
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/Solaris_Metrogate/August%202010%20onwards/IMG_5122.jpg
hkskyline November 24th, 2010, 07:12 PM By TOfan696 from urbantoronto.ca :
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isaidso November 24th, 2010, 07:16 PM I didn't think this re-cladding would make such a huge difference, but it's really going to have a big impact.
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