Well, somebody should tell Icecheese to stop posting those crappy renders then. I think we are into some of the key problems with the Sørenga development, it seems to change all the time. The info on their website is horrible, and you have to be a bloody detective to find updated renders and info how it will look when completed. They have a lot to learn from Tjuvholmen... :ohno:

Finally we can present the block number 5 (appartment step number 4):

(Sørenga)
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0596.jpg
(I believe all building-shapes in this model to be accurate.)


This one has all the buildings in their current design.

^^I think the render I posted shows a bit more realistic solution to the angled roof of MAD's second block, but that one certainly is the most updated one.

Nice to see some movement here on the thread. The uncovered part of the first building block looks real good. I think Sørenga could benefit from giving out more renders and more information, but with lack thereof I appreciate this thread.
About time Brodtkorb and Jarmund/Vigsnæs pick up the pace.

We need some new renderings and some action in here. Dig deep and do a mission impossible in PBE to get the juicy stuff. This is a call to arms aimed at IceCheese and Ingenioren ;)

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1309.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1312.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1316.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1360.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1365.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1373.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1376.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1377.jpg

I really love the look of the bricks used here. I'm pleasantly surprised on how dark their finish turned out to be. :)

I really love the look of the bricks used here. I'm pleasantly surprised on how dark their finish turned out to be. :)

agreed, very un-oslo.

now, am i correct in thinking that the whole area is to be done in a uniform colour/brick - if so, this is definitely going to have it's own personality within fjordcity, whilst, contradicting the opera to maintain the barcode idea.

nice.

Sorry for making people think info on step 4 is public by updating this thread, but I thought this piece of information was interesting:

Bygging er i gang i tre byggetrinn og innflytting i det første trinnet starter 25.11.11

Another part of Fjordbyen up and running!:cheers:

Yay! :banana:

I saw an ad for "Byggetrinn 4" (D1b-5) in Dagens Næringsliv the other day. It wasn't a pleasant sight. Still I haven't been able to see a single rendering or picture apart from the few ones published in here. The sales start October 19'th, so I'm expecting to see some information soon.

They keep their cards really close to their chest. I hope we'll see more for the next ones.. especially Brodtkorb and Jarmund/Vigsnæs.

They've been promising new material first week of October, so only a few days..

Yay! :banana:

I saw an ad for "Byggetrinn 4" (D1b-5) in Dagens Næringsliv the other day. It wasn't a pleasant sight. Still I haven't been able to see a single rendering or picture apart from the few ones published in here. The sales start October 19'th, so I'm expecting to see some information soon.

They keep their cards really close to their chest. I hope we'll see more for the next ones.. especially Brodtkorb and Jarmund/Vigsnæs.

I have several times heard people on the 18/19 trams, looking down at Sørenga and wondering what they are building there and thinking it will be some kind of industrial area.

Sørenga is not getting their message across to the masses in my opinion. I think they are being too secretive. Tjuvholmen was more agressive in publishing illustrations of the whole area at an early point and have been getting a lot more attention in the general media.

Worse than feared ftw!:rock:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Trinn4-fasademotsj152128.jpg

Repetetive is the new original.

http://www.usbl.no/Portals/Usblbbl/PropertyAgent/6231/Images/5851.jpg

I have several times heard people on the 18/19 trams, looking down at Sørenga and wondering what they are building there and thinking it will be some kind of industrial area.

Sørenga is not getting their message across to the masses in my opinion. I think they are being too secretive. Tjuvholmen was more agressive in publishing illustrations of the whole area at an early point and have been getting a lot more attention in the general media.

I think you are wrong. Sørenga as a part of Bjørvika gets huge attention. Remember when sales started, there were over 4000 interested in the first 100 apartments. By far the highest numbers ever. The reason for why Tjuvholmen had a lot of ads, was that they had a strugle selling enough apartments.

Is there by the way anyone who can provide a sun-study for the area? All the renders have sun on every side...:nuts:

Worse than feared ftw!:rock:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Trinn4-fasademotsj152128.jpg

Repetetive is the new original.

I'm not completely sure I understand the point behind having part of the building elevated with no first floor.

^^One would almost think its some kind of parody, proving quarters dont secure street life :nuts:

Lol, the surrounding there will be pretty dead. What is the advantage of such planning?


Today's picture update:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051625.jpg

^^Wholes in quarters attract wind, at the same time as it lets in minimal of sunlight.

Will be an awesome place to store drug addicts though.

It will be on the shadowside anyway.

Worse than feared ftw!:rock:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Trinn4-fasademotsj152128.jpg

Repetetive is the new original.

Back to the 60s...

Costa del Boring?

OMG ! So ugly I'm about to puke. Who the f**k can design and approve such a horrible building in 2011 ? :wallbash:

Morning.
I ask myselv why you people are so "Hyperkritik" to new things. And its new ! The whole projekt has his one style and not like 20 different styles like in Tjuveholmen.I think that Sörenga is much more stylish and timeless than "Hyper Hyper" Tjuveholemen. Already now i think Tjuveholmen has an cold atmosphere and Sörenga is going to be a place to live, maybe not to Party !
Please calm down and find some pictures to enjoy the people around like me from Germany.
:banana:

I forgot one thing. We are going to have "south-west sun,view and water !" and that`s not so easy to find in Oslo".:)

I forgot one thing. We are going to have "south-west sun,view and water !" and that`s not so easy to find in Oslo".:)

What's that?

What's that?

Sörenga is definitiv the "best area" to build houses to live, because you see the open water, the sunset and you see the whole city. And the sun is shining at "south-west" to the blocks at the "West kaia". Tjuveholmen has the sun just in the Back in the evening.
But somtimes it is also nice to have some sun at the back :lol:
Sorry about my english, i have to train a little bit ... :nuts:

^^One would almost think its some kind of parody, proving quarters dont secure street life :nuts:

That facade is on the west side of the pier, so it won't have much sunlight. Not much foot traffic either. I can't imagine that setting up a shop or cafe there would be very attractive. If there's not going to be any shops, I think that the gap is at least a little more interesting than a brick wall.

Architecturally it's pretty boring though. It looks like a failed game of tetris.

Morning.
I think that Sörenga is much more stylish and timeless than "Hyper Hyper" Tjuveholemen. Already now i think Tjuveholmen has an cold atmosphere and Sörenga is going to be a place to live, maybe not to Party !

Lol, I have a hard time believing you're not joking. Tjuvholmen extends the inner city and Aker brygge, it creates more life in Oslo not less. Sørenga was a disappointment to me and is going to be a "block" that kind of stops the growth of Oslo Sentrum towards the east.

Building such uninspiring apartment-complexes a stones throw or two from the Opera and Barcode is not only a bad thing for the city as a whole, but can potentially threaten the "goodness" of the Bjørvika project in totality. That's how (potentially) bad the Sørenga project is in my book. Not that I'm 100% sure it turns out like that, but from what I've seen so far, the possibility is DEFF there...

Lol, I have a hard time believing you're not joking. Tjuvholmen extends the inner city and Aker brygge, it creates more life in Oslo not less. Sørenga was a disappointment to me and is going to be a "block" that kind of stops the growth of Oslo Sentrum towards the east.

Building such uninspiring apartment-complexes a stones throw or two from the Opera and Barcode is not only a bad thing for the city as a whole, but can potentially threaten the "goodness" of the Bjørvika project in totality. That's how (potentially) bad the Sørenga project is in my book. Not that I'm 100% sure it turns out like that, but from what I've seen so far, the possibility is DEFF there...

Ok tilbake il norsk. Jeg liker ogsa Tjuveholen, ogsa arkitekturen ! Men jeg kunne ikke tenke meg a bo der eller investere penger der, fordi der er alt for spesielt og der er kun mennesker som henger der som mener de er mer i "clubben".
Arkitekturen pa Akerbrygge er gammelt og slit og man se alt for mye stal, dem mangler vegger til a sette ting i selve leiglighetene. Der se passe harry ut a sette f.e. en sofa rett foran et vindu !?
Jeg kommer sikkert til a feste og drikke min ol pa Akkerbrygge og Tjuveholmen :cheers: men jeg har ikke lyst a bo der med alle restauranter/barer/clubber osv. Men definitiv bra er dette omradet for Oslo !
Tilbake til arkitekturen. Bare vent til resterende blokker pa Sörenga, saerlig ogsa "svommemuligheten" og "spissen av Sörenga". Der komer til a vare sikkert en Highlight for Oslo ogsa ! :banana:

I think so too. It's hard to see the potential at this point, so people seem very apprehensive. But that's ok. Not to mention normal. This specific block was expected to be like this, so it was no big blow. On top of that none of the surroundings have been finalized, whereas Tjuvholmen is easy to visualize. Half of it is already there! That's why part of the arguments against Sørenga is because of lack of imagination.
The four next blocks look architecturally pleasing. I agree on the other hand that this block is sore to the eyes. Brodtkorb and Jarmund/Vigsnæs seem to be doing a great job, and I hope to be able to live there one day.
Quality of life there will be good, and the dark blocks in contrast to the clear water and green areas will make it an aesthetically pleasing area well fitting in Bjørvika.

If you ask me.. :okay:

Problem is that Sørenga appears more commie-block type suburban for every rendering that's revealed. I guess the waterfront will appear "OK", and the canals will be fairly attractive and create a nice atmosphere, but the central park and the gardenry is in my opinion way over the top for such an awesome urban location. The inner street grid should have been a lot more complex and city-like, and contain a lot more than just a big windy lawn.

But that's what many consumers want, and especially children families.

Sørenga will probably be just fine, but I'm afraid it won't offer much for other than those living there. It could have been a lively, classy and timeless urban environment with a more themed architecture than other projects in central Oslo.

Right now it seems to me that many of the chosen solutions will compromise the urban qualities of the project.

Greetings everyone. I think the debate around Sørenga now should be stopped. Entire Sørenga WILL be great looking once its done. And one of its finest features will in fact be the quarterly blocks and the use of bricks on all building steps. Dont diss it until its done i say. Because of the fact that its blocks and seemingly normally shaped blocks some of you say it is boring and commie like, this is bullshit and far from the truth. The design is timeless and infact beautiful in my eyes. It just takes time to adjust to it, but i certainly think it will widen the city and Oslo just because it has a very structural idea and planning of it all.

Adding a picture from today (sorry for quality) but finally the are unleashing the front towards the opera building.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0285.jpg

What we can say however is that the renders aren't very accurate. The light brown-ish bricks from the renders turned out to be very black and dark in real life. I think the change was for the better.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3115/srengabyggetrinn11x1000.jpg

We'll see how it turns out in the end, all I'm saying is that I'm a bit skeptical...

I would accept these more regular buildings if there was just one building more interesting and unique, either at the tip of Sørenga or on the other side, closer to the roads.

There's really only one great thing about this project and that's the bricks. And it manages to save it all! In typical Norwegian fashion Sørenga won't be all it could be, but those bricks will still make it something out of the ordinary.

Sørenga is just boring. It could be worse, it could be ugly too..

Sørenga is just boring. It could be worse, it could be ugly too..

Actually, for once reality defeats renders.

I would accept these more regular buildings if there was just one building more interesting and unique, either at the tip of Sørenga or on the other side, closer to the roads.

You must be talking a lot more than you're doing research on the subject. Take a look at the two two last buildings at the tip of Sørenga and tell me they look like commie blocks. There is nothing about them resembling a block at all..

I didn't say anything about "commie," Sorenga. I still miss one more unique building. The only one that isn't totally square in its shape (and by that I mean built out of square forms, even if it isn't just one square per building) is that blackish building behind the two on the tip (looking at the model photo).

I was saying interesting+unique - and that one exception from this "square shape heaven," which still is a quite squarish building except those few lines who are more diagonal, doesn't cut it for me in the "uniqueness department."

As one that feel I identify more with Oslo east than west, at least a little bit, it also annoys me that Sørenga ends up like this compared with Aker B.+Tjuvholmen. Yeah I knew that it would be more of a apartment development than shopping mecca, but still... Not to be rude to potential apartment buyers, but why does it so often have to be the east that receives all the more shitty things and the west receives quality?

Finally, at least in some of the early pictures there were more good qualities to spot in the project than how it feels like it actually turns out, in my eyes.

Sorry for all these negative claims, I'm not saying it's a total disaster I just have to express how I'm not all that happy-happy about how Sørenga seems to turn out. I had imagined it different. So sue me for speaking my opinion openly...

Not to be rude to potential apartment buyers, but why does it so often have to be the east that receives all the more shitty things and the west receives quality?


Because people complained about Tjuvholmen having too high density, lack of coherent design, lacking greeneries and the lack of traditional street grid. This development answer all those complaints.

Oslo:


http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7727/srenga7x1600.jpg
Illustration by MIR (http://mir.no/)



Copenhagen:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5382340246_98608b3c51_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andjohan/5382340246/)
Sluseholmen (Askholm) set fra Teglholmen (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andjohan/5382340246/) by andjohan (http://www.flickr.com/people/andjohan/), on Flickr

First design:

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/3115/srengabyggetrinn11x1000.jpg

-Balconies towards sea is angled.


Second design:

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7727/srenga7x1600.jpg

-Balconies towards sea is now a bit withdrawn from the facade, a simplification


Reality:

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/Foto0285.jpg

-Balconies towards sea is just a part of the main wall. Much easier to mount.


Sørenga - cheapen it down!

The danish buildings look cheaper, but Sørenga looks more suburban. I would like some more variety in hight at Sørenga, something like this tower in Hafencity

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Hamburg_Cruise_Center.JPG/800px-Hamburg_Cruise_Center.JPG

^^ That looks awful and dated imho.

-Balconies towards sea is just a part of the main wall. Much easier to mount.

Sure? To me it seems like it just the angle the render is taken from which makes it appears like that.

Perhaps. Go take a photo of it!

^^ That looks awful and dated imho.

My comment was more about the hight. I still think you have a weird taste in architecture. The highrise is neat imo, and was completed last year and have won several awards.

Awards
•2011 Green Good Design Award
•2011 Shortlisted for RIBA International Award
•2011 Architekturpreis Beton 2011
•2010 MIPIM Award Category Residential Development (presented to the Client)
•2010 European Prime Property Award „Best high-rise development Germany“ (presented to the Client)

^^ It still looks like something out of the '80s. Similar to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Concourse

And I don't really care about the amount of awards it have won.

^^ It still looks like something out of the '80s. Similar to this building from 1981:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Concourse




Those buildings are not similar at all. Maybe you don't like "white"?

And I don't really care about the amount of awards it have won

Perhaps not, but it is an idicator that your point of view is not that relevant.

Those buildings are not similar at all. Maybe you don't like "white"?
They are not completely equal, but both are fat, white highrises with some parts pulled in and some out. They look about equally as recent.

Perhaps not, but it is an idicator that your point of view is not that relevant.
Of course it is relevant. It's equally as relevant as your view or the view to the people behind these awards. I am after all one the users of the city and one of the persons the buildings should appeal to.

The prospect for building step 4 is available here: http://www.sorenga.no/images/Marketing/Byggetrinn%204/Byggetrinn4_prospekt.pdf

Illustrations taken from the pdf:


http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga7.png


http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga2.pnghttp://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga6.png


http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/Srenga1.pnghttp://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga3.png


http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga5.png


Map over the roof gardens:
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga4.png


Overview with building step 4 in it. Stitched together from two separate pictures.
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga8.png


Boring ass design. :yawn:

Perhaps. Go take a photo of it!

Haha, apparantly the balconies were angled, it was just incredibly difficult to see!:lol: I had to walk so that I was almost paralell with the building to see it, even in real life! So much for dark bricks...

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga5.png

Hmm, is that an updated render of the Brodtkorb I see to the right?

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga7.png


Her ser det forresten ut som om de vil lage et kunstig svaberg under det åpne området, som bygningen skal lene seg over. Lurer på hvordan det blir.
:)

Hmm, is that an updated render of the Brodtkorb I see to the right?

That's the backside which I don't think we have seen any renders from before?

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga7.png

Hope they don't simplify this facade. Then there will be nothing left of the design. Just a box with windows.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Trinn4-fasademotsj152128.jpg

It's not my field, but the formation of the bars carrying the elevated part looks really dodgy.

Map over the roof gardens:
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/srenga4.png

Boring ass design. :yawn:

Will these roof gardens belong to individual appartments, or are they common property? If I had a plot on my roof that I could do whatever I liked with, I, with access to sun all day and the mild climate of being surrounded by sea, would make a pretty hefty vegetable garden, even invest in some nice furniture and a bbq up there. If these are just shared by everyone, as it looks like in the render, I fear it will be boring tuja-hell, concrete slabs, and no individuality. Anyway, for the passers-by at street level it will probably not matter anyway...

They are private.

They are private.

Aha, so the render is (as usual) not very accurate. Good idea, I think at least from above the building will look alive and eclectic. Anyone know if something similar exists in Oslo? Usually, when there are roof gardens, they are "public" with the end result being quite boring and lifeless. It would be quite nice if more roofs in this city had been green (ie. not green like in lawn, but like "kolonihage").

I know a not-yet-realized peoject in Tiedemannsbyen will have the same.

In general, I think it's sad that if they make a roof garden, it's not available for everyone, but I guess it's nice for those who gets one...

All the other blocks at Sørenga that have so far been revealed have roof gardens/terrasses.

They are private.

There are only 18 of them (20 with the private roof terraces). So the rest have to use the common terrace.
Does it mean you have to pay extra to get a roof garden? Or do they belong to some specific appartments?

There are only 18 of them (20 with the private roof terraces). So the rest have to use the common terrace.
Does it mean you have to pay extra to get a roof garden? Or do they belong to some specific appartments?

They belong to certain apartments.

Hmm, is that an updated render of the Brodtkorb I see to the right?

I really hope it is. Seems to have huge glass areas for the apartments. That's exactly what one would hope to get from them. Aesthetically pleasing to the west too, facing the opera and vippetangen. Can't wait.

Anyone knows who's designing D1a (the plot next to the school), and which step it is in the project?


edit: found a sales add (http://www.haveiendom.no/filestore/Automatisk_opprettede_filer/annonse.pdf) from it.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/dfgh.jpg

Not the best quality.

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/085.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/086.jpg

54 out of 118 sold on the first day of sales of building step 4 (byggetrinn 4).

Apartments that are sold will be updated by the end of the day. Almost 50 % the first day must be a huge success and they probably just have to wait a few days before they reach 50 % and can begin hiring contractors to build. A very good start for us who wants to see Sørenga prosper and build in high speed. Looking forward to seeing some high quality pics of step 1 also. The bricks looks stunning! We need someone with a speilrefleks here man.

I have yet another time outdone myself with the quality of the pictures. Enjoy!

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00058.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00060.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00066.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00065.jpg

Taken with my cell phone.

Bjørvika Infrastruktur has screwed up when building the Promenade at Sørenga :nuts:

They have made asphalt and concrete surface, the most boring layer to have under your feet. This was discovered by the municipality at Åpen dag in Bjørvika. Oslo Muni sais that the plan required "high aesthetic qualities" that equals natural stone (granite etc). Now they have to make the promenade all over again (the surface that is). lol lol lol

No link, read Aftenposten Aften.

^^ Nice that the Muni is demanded proper materials at least.

Yes, they have high demands for Havnepromenaden. It will be the "pearl" at Sørenga they say.

Here is BUs comment:

http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3287921

Bjørvika Infrastruktur has screwed up when building the Promenade at Sørenga :nuts:

They have made asphalt and concrete surface, the most boring layer to have under your feet. This was discovered by the municipality at Åpen dag in Bjørvika. Oslo Muni sais that the plan required "high aesthetic qualities" that equals natural stone (granite etc). Now they have to make the promenade all over again (the surface that is). lol lol lol

No link, read Aftenposten Aften.

Ha, that serves them right! Quite worrying though that they needed a "Åpen dag" to discover it. Where is the continous control of requirements one might expect in such a development???

From Rammetillatelse:

"Plan- og bygningsetaten mener at det som et overordnet prinsipp er riktig at det er valgt harde flater i ulik
utførelse som hovedmateriale på havnepromenaden som fordeler seg som følger med lyse kostede
betongflater inn mot bebyggelsen, glatt og lys betong i soner mot sjøen med asfaltdekke i selve
havnepromenaden som et kontinuerlig bånd gjennom det hele. At det er valgt innslag av varmere
materialer/tre i naturlige oppholdssoner støtter også etaten som en direkte følge av de føringer som ligger i
ovennevnte temahefter."

Paving the promenade with asphalt and concrete is just plain stupidity and short sightedness. :ohno:

I am pretty sure the price level of the apartments being sold on Sørenga would suffer more in total, than the actual cost of doing the paving properly. They would lose the buyers wanting aesthetic quality by the sea to the Tjuvholmen project, and probably a lot of revenue with them.

For once, I think PBE has fulfilled its responsibility of being the controlling party in the development of our city. I am all for market liberalism, but a minimum standard needs to be enforced for prominent areas like this.

Rippet from http://mmpas.no/s_renga/

http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319040920190.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img

http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319041008879.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img

http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319041040291.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img

http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319050165396.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img

http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319050214072.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img

http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319572509828.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img

Quite bland, but at least it appears to be high quality blandness.

Quite bland, but at least it appears to be high quality blandness.

I'm hoping for some serious gentrification in this area. The asphalt paving has to go, or at least be supplemented by proper stone.

These buildings will hopefully turn out OK, but it all comes down to the quality of the final detailing.

Rippet from http://mmpas.no/s_renga/


http://mmpas.no/mmpas694_no/s_renga/content_1/photogallery_35ce3ce6-fedc-4af7-8eb2-0976cb1a0b8b/images/1319050165396.MaxSize.w-1000.h-1000.Save.img



Chunky.

We can only hope for a lot of trees in front of the buildings, or Sørenga just might become known as Prison Island.. :shifty:

Bygger fjerde trinn på Sørenga: http://www.hegnar.no/eiendom/article663835.ece

Don't really know if this is news at all, but what the h.

Sadly, my optimism with regards to Sørenga has slowly shifted towards mild pessimism. At the same time, it could have been much worse, and there will still probably be a couple of interesting buildings. I guess the most important public aspect of the project is the promenade, and I'm relieved to notice that hey have to cancel the asphalt-party they had going over there.

I actually believe Sørenga will be a fantastic project when seen completed and as a whole.

1. It gives a lot more apartments to the downtown area and Fjordcity.
2. It hasnt got radical design, but aesthetical and classical beauty which doesnt show when one sees one project and doesnt consider all the quarters.
3. Remember there will be 8 quarters, and the ones with the most radical design to finish it off so to speak will be the two front ones.
4. A lot more people and with a couple of restaurants in each building step with kindergardens is all that is actually needed. People are suppose to live there as well. And in time i personally think Sørenga will benefit from this. There will be people and tourists walking there, but mainly it is a residential area, with restaurants and a great view.
5. What could be the biggest mistake from my point of view is opening the "lookout" from Middelalderparken. There should be dense buildings and absolutely no openings here in my opinion. We live in Norway and 4 months in the year we can use this open area for something. NO! More apartments and even higher density as it builds up towards Barcode in my opinion. With business buildings alongside the roads on the inside.

If they get the promenade right, tree rows between the buildings and the water, and service attractions in the first floors, I am pretty optimistic as well. I won't be too negative before it's almost complete.

doesnt show when one sees one project and doesnt consider all the quarters.


I think this is important to remember. If we look at each individual building at Sluseholmen in Copenhagen then they appears quite boxy, boring and crap just like Sørenga, however when they all got together then it made a very nice development imho. I think we will see the same here. I'm optimistic as long as they chose quality materials.
:)

I actually believe Sørenga will be a fantastic project when seen completed and as a whole.

1. It gives a lot more apartments to the downtown area and Fjordcity.
2. It hasnt got radical design, but aesthetical and classical beauty which doesnt show when one sees one project and doesnt consider all the quarters.
3. Remember there will be 8 quarters, and the ones with the most radical design to finish it off so to speak will be the two front ones.
4. A lot more people and with a couple of restaurants in each building step with kindergardens is all that is actually needed. People are suppose to live there as well. And in time i personally think Sørenga will benefit from this. There will be people and tourists walking there, but mainly it is a residential area, with restaurants and a great view.
5. What could be the biggest mistake from my point of view is opening the "lookout" from Middelalderparken. There should be dense buildings and absolutely no openings here in my opinion. We live in Norway and 4 months in the year we can use this open area for something. NO! More apartments and even higher density as it builds up towards Barcode in my opinion. With business buildings alongside the roads on the inside.

These are actually very good points imo.

I guess I would've liked to see more modern architecture, or at least more playfulness when they first choose brick buildings; some of the most prominent buildings could have gotten a lot more glass, and their shape could have been less square without compromising the consistency.

I agree the development will probably be succesful if you judge it on its own grounds; however it could have been quite a bit more, and it could have added qualities to the city that we don't already have, for example high quality canal houses. From what I've seen, the canals will largely be accompanied by large monotonous facades.

With regards to the opening towards middelalderparken, I very much agree. I'm a view guy, and I think that it's okay to preserve views from some places in the city, however those places should be limited and they should be public. (On a sidenote, I don't think private residents in downtown area can demand their view to stay consistent over the years, unless something hideous and outrageous is being built). And also, wouldn't it be equally enhancing for the experience to stay in middelalderparken, and *not* see the entire fjord and the rest of the city? Than you can have the feeling of being in the middle of the city and look at where the strandlinje used to be. So you'll have a stronger experience of the contrast between medieval and modern times. I mean, today vannspeilet appears to be some kind of dirty overwater from the highway; it must be tens of times better to have a real city on the other side of the other park to strengthen the idea of middelalderparken as an historic oasis.

however it could have been quite a bit more, and it could have added qualities to the city that we don't already have, for example high quality canal houses. From what I've seen, the canals will largely be accompanied by large monotonous facades.

But there is still a lot of the developments yet to be built in the fjordcity. If this is something we collectively want (and I agree, I would love to see it), then perhaps it we should be a bit more public with our wishes? The only feedback the planing authorities, the developmenters and the architects currently gets are from people who wants to build lower, smaller, less modern etc.



So you'll have a stronger experience of the contrast between medieval and modern times. I mean, today vannspeilet appears to be some kind of dirty overwater from the highway; it must be tens of times better to have a real city on the other side of the other park to strengthen the idea of middelalderparken as an historic oasis.
Yes, I agree with this. The best thing about Middelalderparken is the contrast between old and "new". It's not many places outside of Rome where you can find 1000 years old ruins in the backyards of 19th century buildings. That's great. The new developments could if done right add another contrasts to this again.

3. Remember there will be 8 quarters, and the ones with the most radical design to finish it off so to speak will be the two front ones.

Except there won't be 8 quarters, there will be 9 (D1b 1-8 + D1a). In addition, there will be a school:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Srengatotal.jpg

Mad architects 2nd block

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0653.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0655.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0656.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0657.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0658.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0659.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0660.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0661.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0662.jpg

And a model-snap of Jarmund/Vigsnæs 2:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0664.jpg

That is really cool.

Facade is a bit dull, but still.

Mad architects 2nd block


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0662.jpg
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What's up with these random patches of greenery at the balconies?

That is really cool? To me it sort of speaks, "oh look, we've put in diagonal lines in the roofline, look how cool, original and not-square this is, really original" NOT! Sorry.........

^^ It's almost an Escher!

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b31569e2013489158321970c-800wi

now, THAT would have been interesting, if someone could really manage :)

Way to go! This is exactly what I'm talking about. Where did you get hold of these renderings, Ingenioren? Should I ask? :)

I love the design. It's supposed to be "blocks" and they are all supposed to be built in the same type of brick. Within the context of these restrictions I really like what MAD has designed here. One has to remember that this is first and foremost going to be a recreational- and living area. It's not supposed to house offices, and the design reflects this.

What I like best is the vastly increased use of glass compared to the other steps. It's going to give an increased aesthetic quality to the area, and I believe this is going to be the rule in the ongoing steps. That's good when having a terribly ugly building block no. 4 in mind. This- and the upcoming Brodtkorb-buildings are going to be beautiful elements in Fjordbyen I'm sure.

They are photographed of the screens down at PBE offices.

They will start the construction of building step 4 (the eyesore) in January.

AF og Sørenga Utvikling Ks er blitt enige om at AF skal bygge trinn 4 på Sørenga. Prosjektet er en totalentreprise og består avoppføring av 118 stk leiligheter og råbygg for en barnehage samt noe annetnæringslokale. Kontraktssummen er MNOK 234 eks.mva og forventet oppstarter i januar 2012 og byggetiden er satt til 22mnd.

AF ser frem til å fortsette det gode samarbeidet medSørenga Utvikling KS, og få være en av hovedaktørene ifm omskapning avcontainerhavn til attraktive og flotte leiligheter på Sørenga.

Sørenga Utvikling KS er fornøyd med å ha inngått nyavtale med en solid entreprenør som AF om bygging av byggetrinn 4 påSørenga. Vi er klar til å videreføre det gode samarbeidet frabyggetrinn 3, sier daglig leder i Sørenga Utvikling KS Espen Pay

http://sorenga.no/pc-155-117-AF-bygger-fjerde-byggetrinn-på-Sørenga.aspx

The bridge is open now, in case some of you didn't know. We probably have to wait a few more weeks for the promenade.

Not sure if any of you have noticed the same as me, but it looks like step 3 is rising almost faster than step 2. That is a bit cool.

The area has become more accessible. Today I was at least able to walk the road along "central park", reaching the end of step1 without being shot down.

In step1, I noticed that the open area in the middle felt really small. I imagine apartments facing only this, will feel really dark and claustrophobic. All steps at Sørenga have these "roman gardens". They all look big and shiny at the renderings, but not in real life.

What I really liked was the different levels on the whole area. The central park is one floor over the promenade. Looking forward to the the first canals with bridges.

I have also observed that the progress on step3 seem to be more ahead of step2. Seem like AF-Gruppen are pretty much on track, which is properly why they won the contract of step 4.

That's not good, I though the point was to have plenty of green spaces within the quarters. I like the look of the central "avenue" though, if done right it could prove to become one of the most attractive public spaces in town.
I'm really starting to like this project now, have the feeling it may turn out real good,

Sørenga step 1 seen in the distance through the autumn haze and low sun.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081623.jpg

not sure if these have been posted but they are on display on the 'path' to sørenga...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01480.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01481.jpg

and some proper pics, just mobile images i'm affraid and crazy low sun and mist made exposure super tricky....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01483.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01485.jpg

take your pic of distraction - hand or lens flare....
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01486.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01487.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01488.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01490.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01491.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01500.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01506.jpg

never noticed the white balconies before....
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01518.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01525.jpg

and i'm not sure if it counts as sørenga thread, but here is the vast tract of land available for the rest of the development - i've lost track of what's going here....
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01535.jpg

never noticed the white balconies before....
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01518.jpg


Nope, I think they just mounted them last week, or the week before:)


and i'm not sure if it counts as sørenga thread, but here is the vast tract of land available for the rest of the development - i've lost track of what's going here....
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01535.jpg

Some day when Hav is done with Sørenga, Bispevika and other places they'll prioritize first, they'll start developing this area as well. It's also a part of Bjørvika fjordcity project:) It's regulated at up to 40 meters height, or 10-12 floors. Map of regulations for all of Bjørvika: http://www.bjorvikautvikling.no/ShowFile.ashx?FileInstanceId=00f68755-ec27-42e5-993e-72f86c13fe8a

Does anyone know the expected completion date for area D1a and D2?

^^Nope. Time-estimates at this time are very inaccurate. Start is not expected till after 2013-4. It will most likely depend on how fast sales and development progress in Sørenga and Bispevika, is my guess. I wouldn't like to drag numbers out of air, but perhaps early 2016 is likely for finalization?

First inhabitants of Sørenga got their keys today (http://sorenga.no/c-15-Nyheter.aspx)

(well, not inhabitants, as they want to rent it out a few years first....BUT, I guess people are starting to move in now).

^^ Important milestone.

Fremdriftskart Sørenga (http://sorenga.no/images/Marketing/aktuelt/Fremdrift%20boliger,%20service%20og%20n%C3%A6ring%20pdf.pdf)

And the bridge is in place.. (came yesterday I think)

Deserves to be uploaded I think,

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/sorenga.jpg

From Flickr:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6044/6370135809_64328fc66e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenvidqvist/6370135809/)
sørenga (http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffenvidqvist/6370135809/) by steffstar (http://www.flickr.com/people/steffenvidqvist/), on Flickr

I think it looks great as a waterfront at least. :)

Taken by me today.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6436818481_3a725d0969_b.jpg
Somewhat blury though.

Sørenga is divided into several sites, scroll down, or click these links to jump to your site of interest.

D1b-2 (Byggetrinn 1) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942916#post85942916) by LPO Arkitekter
D1b-1 (Byggetrinn 2) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942917#post85942917) by MAD
D1b-6 (Byggetrinn 3) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942918#post85942918) by Jarmund/Vigsnæs
D1b-5 (Byggetrinn 4) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942919#post85942919) by LPO Arkitekter
D1b-4 (Byggetrinn 5) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942920#post85942920) by MAD
D1b-3 (Byggetrinn 6) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942921#post85942921) by Jarmund/Vigsnæs
D1b-7a (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942922#post85942922)
D1b-7b (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942923#post85942923)
D1a (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=85942924#post85942924)
D5 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=44039444#post44039444)



According to this progress plan, D1b-7b will be step 6 and D2b-3 will be built after, as step 7. Then comes D1b-7a as step 8.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/sorenga.jpg

^^ yes, ill upload the overview again, i did it only 2 weeks ago.

Þróndeimr: I see that you have updated the first posts with "unofficial" renders (meaning screen-shots taken by Ingenioren). Any reason why you haven't included the "unofficial" renders of D1b-3 by Brodtkorb? Or did you just not see them?

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Soreng3.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Soreng4.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Soreng5.jpg

Link to Icechesse original comment where they are presented:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=81888582&postcount=195

^^ i've seen them, just haven't taken the time to do all the plots yet as something came up when i was updating it all two weeks ago. :)

^^ OK, fair enough!

Starting to get some city feel out there now. :) From the webcams.

http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn1a.jpg

http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn2a.jpg

http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn3a.jpg

^^ I was out there today snapping some updates.

Photos will come soon...

Christmas at Sørenga step 3:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071608.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071611.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071616.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071618.jpg


Step 2:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071609.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071613.jpg

Turning slightly to the left:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071610.jpg


Alley with view:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071617.jpg


View from the backyard of step 1:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071624.jpg


Step 1 close-up:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071614.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071615.jpg


Parts of the greenery complete (not very green now though):
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071619.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071622.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071620.jpg


Bridge and canal-making:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071623.jpg


Distance views:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071630.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071606.jpg

Thanks for nice update! :cheers:

Thanks for the updates, marshol! I did the exact same trip last Friday, but after sunset. It's beautiful to watch the city from out there! But didn't you walk the promenade while there?

About the central park of Sørenga, I think it's turning out to be yet another disappointment, with it's complete lack of green and resting space. Why fill it with a freaking wall of bark?! And no seating?!?!

Bjørvika Infrastruktur has screwed up when building the Promenade at Sørenga :nuts:

They have made asphalt and concrete surface, the most boring layer to have under your feet. This was discovered by the municipality at Åpen dag in Bjørvika. Oslo Muni sais that the plan required "high aesthetic qualities" that equals natural stone (granite etc). Now they have to make the promenade all over again (the surface that is). lol lol lol

No link, read Aftenposten Aften.

Grabbed some images of the promenade last Sunday. Don't think the asphalt look that bad, at least now that it is fresh.
Anyone know the outcome of the case? Will it be replaced?

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz106/bitoverflow/Sorenga/IMG_0992.jpg

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz106/bitoverflow/Sorenga/IMG_0991.jpg

About the central park of Sørenga, I think it's turning out to be yet another disappointment, with it's complete lack of green and resting space. Why fill it with a freaking wall of bark?! And no seating?!?!

I agree. Is this the best they can do when it comes to making an attractive space between the blocks?

Thankfully, it is relatively easy to alter this area later.

Grabbed some images of the promenade last Sunday. Don't think the asphalt look that bad, at least now that it is fresh.
Anyone know the outcome of the case? Will it be replaced?

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz106/bitoverflow/Sorenga/IMG_0992.jpg

http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz106/bitoverflow/Sorenga/IMG_0991.jpg

Parts of the asphalt will be removed in a stripe along the promenade, and be replaced by concrete. Illustration: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3337449

So, no natural stone after all?

Thanks for the updates, marshol! I did the exact same trip last Friday, but after sunset. It's beautiful to watch the city from out there! But didn't you walk the promenade while there?

I walked it, and enjoyed the city view as well. But my camera battery sucks, and died after my bridge/canal pic. :gaah:

So, no natural stone after all?
Not on this part of the promenade, appearently.

So, no natural stone after all?

You already have SUPER(!!!!!!!!)-bricks in the facades of the buildings out there. What more do you want?!!?!?!

You already have SUPER(!!!!!!!!)-bricks in the facades of the buildings out there. What more do you want?!!?!?!

Granite on the ground.

The central parks current appearance is just temporary. Great updates!

So nice to see Sørenga finally taking form. Nice pictures.

Looking a little bit better to me now, like mentioned a big part of it is the quite nice bricks, I'm however still not thrilled. It just could be so much more in my mind.

If we build so (more or less) suburban here, what will come/not come even further out than this? Sørenga should have also been atleast an attempt at something urban/inner-city-like.

It was a complete unreal atmosphere in the city today. Absolute everything was covered in a dark blue/purple hue. And it was of course freezing cold too. Took a picture of Sørenga when I walked past.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7146/6479312809_785ff53b5c_b.jpg

^^ Congrats on your next, 3000th post, Galro!

(Damn, it's amazing how some of you manage to grow your post count... I registered more than 2 years before you and still isn't on my 600th post, haha. But I'm not complaining, you've done some pretty good work and good posts here, so, nice work! :))

^^ Thanks. :)

I think you do an extraordinary great work Galro. I don´t know you but you are the one who keeps this threat alive. Especially your great pics from Sörenga. So i think we all hope to get some more pics and "special informations" about this great area. We need more Insider ....:banana: and of course fresh pictures.

i'm gradually warming to this development; some of the close ups of the completed buildings are quite interesting.

i was really surprised when i was out there that they've built a little hill, as they have done on tjuvholmen - must be the thing to do, which is encouraging as there is something rather dull about the flatness of, say, aker brygge...

I think you do an extraordinary great work Galro. I don´t know you but you are the one who keeps this threat alive. Especially your great pics from Sörenga. So i think we all hope to get some more pics and "special informations" about this great area. We need more Insider ....:banana: and of course fresh pictures.

This thread will stay alive as long as the development and construction is going on on Sørenga. It's a major and important project in the Fjordcity, so I don't think it would die just like that. But it's sure great to have good contributors :)

i was really surprised when i was out there that they've built a little hill, as they have done on tjuvholmen - must be the thing to do, which is encouraging as there is something rather dull about the flatness of, say, aker brygge...

Indeed. One thing Oslo always have lacked are hills.

i'm gradually warming to this development; some of the close ups of the completed buildings are quite interesting.

i was really surprised when i was out there that they've built a little hill, as they have done on tjuvholmen - must be the thing to do, which is encouraging as there is something rather dull about the flatness of, say, aker brygge...

It's a cost-saver. They don't have to dig out a parking garage, but raise the city instead...

Indeed. One thing Oslo always have lacked are hills.I swear half the members here are high half the time they're on this forum. :nuts:

Can't dig at all in this location - it's just a concrete plate and water underneat....

Well, Tjuvholmen has the immersed structure, don't they... No reason the same thing shouldn't work here.

It would be more expensive tough...

Can't dig at all in this location - it's just a concrete plate and water underneat....

yeah, i didn't think of that, anyhoo, whatever the reason, i like it...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6543190681_cba8255874_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6543191063_5837a46dc8_z.jpg


Are we getting a mini-Manhattan here?

Well.... I'm really enjoying our little skyline - but comparing it to manhattan is pushing it a bit to far... :) Welcome to the forum!

Operaroof view:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0257.jpg

Floating bridge:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0259.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0267.jpg

Step 1:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0276.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0277.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0280.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0281.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0282.jpg

Central park:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0284.jpg

Step 3:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0286.jpg

View from Kongsveien:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0301.jpg

I also like it a lot! But compared to New York, Oslo is a small little town...

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http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0277.jpg

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I have to admit, the bricks are amazing. Great pics!

Agree, and the lights give them a great effect.

Well.... I'm really enjoying our little skyline - but comparing it to manhattan is pushing it a bit to far... :) Welcome to the forum!

Operaroof view:
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0257.jpg


Nice picture. The Kari Nissen Brodtkorb designed building at the end will complete this row beautifully. :)

They've moved the bridge?:|

The webcams

Byggetrinn 1.
http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn1a.jpg


Byggetrinn 2. Unless I'm mistaken then it appears like they have already starting on cladding the MAD buildings with bricks (look at columns at street level).
http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn2a.jpg


Byggetrinn 3.
http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn3a.jpg

^^ Too bad they haven't been updated since December 16th.

^^ Damn, I didn't notice that. Sorry then. ;)

Drawings of Jarmnd/Vigsnæs' last building.
The building, located at the tip of the Sørenga peninsula, comprises 60 units of high-end apartments with commercial spaces at the ground floor.
The massing of the building is descending towards the water, and follows the trapezoidal limits of the site, breaking down the volume into parts reflecting both the size of an apartment and the historic storage nature of the old container post. Roof optimized for terrace living.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6647497091_3aeca8ea1c_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6647497467_0169979c2e_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6647497317_c9bf4e001f_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6647497207_a8a0c43dd6_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6647497647_d3cfa3f991_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6647497795_14fdd514b5_b.jpg

Source: http://www.jva.no/projects/large/soerenga-7.aspx

^^ Too bad they haven't been updated since December 16th.

Seems like they're running again, which is why the images in the post above are also updated. Nice one of Trinn 1, which is not a webcam, but a permanent (I assume) picture showing the building and the promenade.

PS Quite risky linking to live webcams, any comments might be out of date quite fast :)

Yeah, look at that. Nice to have it back!

PS Quite risky linking to live webcams, any comments might be out of date quite fast :)

Yeah, I'm such a rebel.
:naughty:

Ingenioren, great photos!

Can't wait until they finish whole Sorenga! It will look superb, just like the docks in Malmo.:cheers:


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Byggetrinn 2. Unless I'm mistaken then it appears like they have already starting on cladding the MAD buildings with bricks (look at columns at street level).

Nope!:)

Look at the webcams further up now! Both MADs building and Jarmund/Vignæs have gotten another floor each, and it's starting to look quite dense actually. MAD have another floor left until it is topped out and Jarmund... lacks two if I have counted correctly. :)

I was at a "visning (http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=32700537)" (what's the english word?) at Sørenga today, just to get an impression of the development. Even though I am very pro Sørenga, I get dissapointed by the low standard chosen on parts of the first section to be readied. The common stairways inside are as cheaply done as cheap can be. I am talking linoleum on the floors, the simplest kinds of railing and the mailboxes also seems to be the cheapest kind.

Having the stylish entrances of Tjuvholmen in mind with their fancy mailboxes and detailing in general, I really get the impression that Sørenga Utvikling isn't aiming very high. No one is going to alter these things once they are done, whille putting a bit more quality into this would not have changed the price much for each unit.

I was at a "visning (http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=32700537)" (what's the english word?) .

Presentation I guess, but I don't know if it is used in the context of "visning av leiligheter".

I guess that's how they have to built it to keep the prices low enough, to make it affordable to "a normal person/family", and not have the Tjuvholmen prices.

But I see it looks cheap on the prospect pictures too. The doors, walls, roof, the kitchen cabinets, etc.

Here is a photo I took of the mailboxes. Can they be temporary?

https://public.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1pgMpoV8cxzp6G-szGaqjTAmGymrZjKQ7GpMp75VLuJ5ldl8-8REZbdS1Oc67j1ATjXBiT9pcY65WH6UVUu4twgw/postkasser%20(1024x768).jpg?psid=1

Here is a photo I took of the mailboxes. Can they be temporary?

https://public.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1pgMpoV8cxzp6G-szGaqjTAmGymrZjKQ7GpMp75VLuJ5ldl8-8REZbdS1Oc67j1ATjXBiT9pcY65WH6UVUu4twgw/postkasser%20(1024x768).jpg?psid=1

Nope, I wouldn't think so. They're a notch up from the ones I have in my building.

I'm surprised how "cheap" wibes I get from the Sørenga apartments. The new-prices now are quite steep. I think the first step was a bit cheaper, though.

I guess that's how they have to built it to keep the prices low enough, to make it affordable to "a normal person/family", and not have the Tjuvholmen prices.

We are past normal family prices anyway. This appartment is 3.5M for one bedroom with plain/normal standard.

On their web page they claim Sørenga is "Fjordbyens beste beliggenhet". Still they don't think people would pay an extra 50K ? per unit to get a higher quality on the common areas? I think it will hurt their appartment prices for the comming sections more than what they save.

The entrance hall to the DEG 14 (KLP building) has a lot more class, but I can't find a picture to show it.

Edit: Found a picture.
(http://www.operakvarteret.no/bolig/finn-din-bolig/boligtrinn-i/fellesarealer/)
http://www.operakvarteret.no/typo3temp/pics/e100455515.jpg

Edit: Found a picture.
(http://www.operakvarteret.no/bolig/finn-din-bolig/boligtrinn-i/fellesarealer/)
http://www.operakvarteret.no/typo3temp/pics/e100455515.jpg

I hadn't seen the inside before. Really neat! This is what I'd expect all modern projects too look like, at least in with today's prices.

Btw, I got so confused of the view out the door, before I realized it's a banner!:lol: Remember now it looks like a one-way mirror on the outside.

Sounds like these are either temporary or that the quality varies. I've looked at the technical specifications of the third building step, and I know that the qualities are higher there. They are at least boasting of downlights in the entrance area, plated or tiled walls, tiles on the floor and integrated mailboxes. All steps are to be in concrete or tiles, with color of walls to be selected by the architect of the project.

I was at a "visning (http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=32700537)" (what's the english word?) at Sørenga today, just to get an impression of the development. .

A viewing.

A viewing.

Galro, that does sound more likely...

Yeah, I agree. :)

Galro, that does sound more likely...

i hope it does... i am english.

My first impressions of Sørenga:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_2653.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_2659.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/Srenga27jan2012.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_2681.jpg

Looking good:)

I wasnt quite sure what to make of the main avenue though. It is not level at the moment, making the space that is accesible look cramped. I was expecting Sørenga to be flat.

Lovely pics. I'm looking forward to seeing this area when we're reaching spring and the sun falls on it all.

The main avenue, the upcoming central park, is going to be one floor above the pier. It's also going to be more level when finished if we're to believe the renditions. There were built some ridges to enclose the first two building steps and shelter them while step three and four were built.

I like how Sørenga "works" with Sjømannskolen on the first picture. The old school almost looks like a fortress that is governing over the city. :)

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/Srenga27jan2012.jpg
.

Ooh, barcode looking excellently illuminated!

I was down at Sørenga today for the first time in months. That the finishes were cheap in building step 1 is by no means correct. The mailboxes were integrated, there were big glass fronts, good standard of the lifts, tiles on the floors, spots in the roof and different paint colors in the different halls.
I like the dark cornerings of the windows and now they have sanded aluminium rain gutters running down the facade. I was a bit sceptical after the post I read here, but I was really positively surprised. It looks real good. Can't wait to see the upcoming steps rise up..

I was down at Sørenga today for the first time in months. That the finishes were cheap in building step 1 is by no means correct. The mailboxes were integrated, there were big glass fronts, good standard of the lifts, tiles on the floors, spots in the roof and different paint colors in the different halls.
I like the dark cornerings of the windows and now they have sanded aluminium rain gutters running down the facade. I was a bit sceptical after the post I read here, but I was really positively surprised. It looks real good. Can't wait to see the upcoming steps rise up..

This is good news. Hopefully what I saw a couple of weeks ago were just temporary installations. When it comes to the tiling on the floor I think that only is true on the ground floor. On the other floors they use "plastic" (linoleum) flooring.

The MAD buildings looks to be topped out.

http://sorenga.no/images/ftpimage/byggetrinn2a.jpg

Status Sørenga 24.02

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241631.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241655.jpg


The yard of the first block

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241659.jpg


A peek inside:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241663.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241660.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241662.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241664.jpg


Cutting the concrete to make a new canal:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241670.jpg


Step 2, mostly covered in plastic:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241667.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241669.jpg


Step 3

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241665.jpg


Out of sight from the webcam, the 8th floor being built:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241668.jpg


Step 4

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241666.jpg

^^

Good work; seems to be flying ahead... i guess that's the advantage of everything being so boxy.

This is just what I meant when I wrote about the unimpressive standard. Look at picture 1 (Sørenga) and then the three next pictures (Tjuvholmen). The Sørenga picture looks to be from a fire escape on a shopping center, not meant for daily use. If this is the ambition they have for Sørenga then I'm disappointed. I guess the partnership with USBL was a cue for things to come...

:ohno:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241663.jpg

http://finncdn.no/mmo/2012/2/15/0/332/491/40_205445013_xl.jpg

http://finncdn.no/mmo/2012/2/15/0/332/491/40_-280432650_xl.jpg

http://finncdn.no/mmo/2012/2/15/0/332/491/40_2086136279_xl.jpg

^^ i'd like to see more of the interior of Sørenga than just some stairs before i start comparing it to anything! ;)

^^ i'd like to see more of the interior of Sørenga than just some stairs before i start comparing it to anything! ;)

The picture speaks for itself. I can tell you that it is sadly representative for the common areas internally. Actually, only the entrance floor has tiling as in this picture. Linoleum is the norm on the other floors...

My building is more "forseggjort" than Sørgenga. Win!:lol:
I guess the elevator is more important than the staircase, though?

Whats the big deal about how the stairs, elevators and mailboxes(!!) look?

Whats the big deal about how the stairs, elevators and mailboxes(!!) look?

???!
So aesthetics doesn't mean much to you? Do you see the difference between a luxury apartment and a shelter? The thing is that Sørenga is one of the prime locations in this city and to put up low cost, budget buildings here is a not what Oslo east deserves. OSU has ambitions for their development. Sørenga has not (it seems...)

Heh.. I agree, Osloborger. It looks better at Tjuvholmen. I think I only saw the main floor and entrance area, and I found them very nice. Then again.. the prices also reflect this. Tjuvholmen still seems priced a good deal above Sørenga.
I was told by Sørenga Utvikling that prospects and sales information regarding the Jarmund Vigsnæs - building farthest south east is coming out this spring. Maybe around April. I got the impression that this is going to be comparable to amongst others Tjuvholmen, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Osloborger Have you seen the staircases at Tjuvholmen? I haven't, but I doubt they are very luxurious ... Modern staircases are mainly meant as fire exits/alternative way if the elevator stands still and most looks very boring and cheap as a results of this. For everything else there are elevators.

On that note the elevators actually looked very good. I got a qualitatively good impression from them.

Osloborger Have you seen the staircases at Tjuvholmen? I haven't, but I doubt they are very luxurious ... Modern staircases are mainly meant as fire exits/alternative way if the elevator stands still and most looks very boring and cheap as a results of this. For everything else there are elevators.

The stairways are part of the hallways to each appartment. The same commie block design is present throughout. To compare this to a fire exit, which is usually hidden behind a door, is incorrect.

I would urge you to take a look one day. Maybe go to a viewing. If you are not let down by the impression you get then I think your expectations are too low.

Heh.. I agree, Osloborger. It looks better at Tjuvholmen. I think I only saw the main floor and entrance area, and I found them very nice. Then again.. the prices also reflect this. Tjuvholmen still seems priced a good deal above Sørenga.
I was told by Sørenga Utvikling that prospects and sales information regarding the Jarmund Vigsnæs - building farthest south east is coming out this spring. Maybe around April. I got the impression that this is going to be comparable to amongst others Tjuvholmen, but we'll just have to wait and see.

The prices are not that different for comparable apartments. 10-15% for the tiny sample i checked out on Finn. Considering the fact that Tjuvholmen is located in an established area and Sørenga for several years will be an island in a constrution site, I would say the prices difference is too small.

The thing I don't get is that if every appartment was priced 50K over the current price, there would be an ample amount of money to put into a general improvement of the common area aesthetics. I really don't think people care if they pay 4 MNOK or 4,05 MNOK for an apartment. I also this would benefit the developer as the area would be considered more attractive.

http://www.defenceoslo.org/

DeFence består av: kvadratisk kube på 4x4x4 meter med vegger bygget opp av armeringsnett og torv.
Plassering: Sentralt på Sørengautstikkeren i den nye sentralparken. Installasjonen blir plassert i en gjennomgangsåre der publikum blir “tvunget” til å forholde seg til den.
Verket vil følge årstidenes ulike faser gjennom 1 1/2 år. DeFence blir konstruert slik at det er umulig å trenge igjennom eller se igjennom veggene.

Jeg kommer vel aldri til å forstå kunst...

From the site:

DeFence

Temporær utendørs interaktiv installasjon på Sørenga, vår 2012 – høst 2013

Christine Istad & Vigdis Storsveen
I samarbeid med Sørenga Utvikling KS
Støttet av Norsk Kulturråd

Verket introduserer forandring og prosess i et nytt byrom. Det bryter opp den individuelle bevegelsen gjennom bylandskapet og inviterer til sosial interaksjon. Samtidig utfordrer kubens kombinasjon av armeringsnett og organisk materiale tradisjonen for kunstinstallasjoner i det offentlige rom.

DeFence består av: kvadratisk kube på 4x4x4 meter med vegger bygget opp av armeringsnett og torv.
Plassering: Sentralt på Sørengautstikkeren i den nye sentralparken. Installasjonen blir plassert i en gjennomgangsåre der publikum blir “tvunget” til å forholde seg til den.
Verket vil følge årstidenes ulike faser gjennom 1 1/2 år. DeFence blir konstruert slik at det er umulig å trenge igjennom eller se igjennom veggene.

DeFence vil være i endring gjennom årstidene:
Fase 1: 2. -12. mai vil verket fremstå kun som en konstruksjon av stål og armeringsnett.
Fase 2: 12.- 13. mai vil de fire veggene i verket bli bygget opp av torvsekker ved hjelp av elever fra AHO. Torven vil inneholde en blanding av gressfrø og blomsterfrø.
Fase 3: 7.-10. juni vil publikum og skoler delta ved å beplante verket med forkultiverte engblomster.
Fase 4: Gjennom sommeren blir verket mer og mer frodig og fargesterkt ettersom blomstene og gresset vokser ut av torven.
Fase 5: I september vil verket endre karakter ved at plantene visner. I oktober vil en vinterløsning bli montert på verket. Vinterløsningen består av et rutenett av LED-lys som følger gridet i armeringsnettet.
Fase 6: Våren 2013 vil vinterløsning bli demontert. Verket vil på nytt begynne å spire og bli frodig utover sommeren, og gresset vil dominere verket.

DeFence vil engasjere publikum ved aktiv deltagelse i beplantning av verket.
Fremtidige beboere/publikum/skoler vil få tilsendt frø i forkant av oppføringen av installasjonen som de kan sette i potter hjemme. Det vil bli arrangert en workshop i mars 2012 for å informere og engasjere publikum.

I første uken av juni vil publikum beplante verket sammen med kunstnerne.

Istad/Storsveen har utviklet prosjektet i 3 år. Underveis har de knyttet til seg fagfolk innen ulike felt;
Trygve S. Aamlid fra Bioforsk har gitt råd angående beplantning av DeFence. Bioforsk er et forskningsinstitutt med spisskompetanse innen landbruk, matproduksjon, plantehelse, miljø og ressursforvaltning. Trygve har doktorgrad på grasarten engrapp, og han har jobba med gras og frø i ulike prosjekter siden 1986.
Nelson Garden har bidratt med frø og Nittedal Torvindustri har bidratt med torv.
Istad/Storsveen har også samarbeidet med arkitekter og ingeniører i utformingen av konstruksjonen.

I verket DeFence tar Istad/Storsveen for seg en rekke samfunnsaktuelle problemstillinger knyttet til bevissthet rundt miljø og en globalisert verden. Migrasjon og møte mellom kulturer inntar en stadig større betydning. DeFence bygger i sin struktur på en idé om trygghet og beskyttelse, samtidig åpner verkets struktur og materialitet for migrasjonens positive sider i form av mang-fold, berikelse og humanitet. Gjennom verkets stedsspesifisitet i det offentlige rom konkretiseres dette aspektet i det sosiale rom på et interaktivt plan. Betrakteren utfordres ikke slik bare til å tenke rundt verkets samfunnsaktuelle problemstillinger, men oppfordres sågar til å inngå i møte med andre mennesker som befinner seg i dette sosiale rommet. Klimakrisen fordrer nye måter å tenke på, denne overskrider tidligere nasjonale, geografiske, og sosiale oppdelinger og bryter ned skillet mellom kategorier som natur/kultur, individ/samfunn, nasjonal/international og lokal/fremmed.
http://www.defenceoslo.org/uploads/1/0/3/2/10325684/2891065_orig.jpg

http://www.defenceoslo.org/uploads/1/0/3/2/10325684/2456600_orig.jpg

http://www.defenceoslo.org/uploads/1/0/3/2/10325684/8961663_orig.jpg

Verket introduserer forandring og prosess i et nytt byrom. Det bryter opp den individuelle bevegelsen gjennom bylandskapet og inviterer til sosial interaksjon. Samtidig utfordrer kubens kombinasjon av armeringsnett og organisk materiale tradisjonen for kunstinstallasjoner i det offentlige rom.


Yes, I suppose the natural reaction when coming across a fecking grass cube is to strike up a conversation with it :crazy2:

Other great news!

Cladding has initated on step 2 at Sørenga. Exactly the same type and colour of stone that is used on step 1.

(i thought they were going to have different sort of stones on each step, or at least a couple of different ones, correct?) started on two of the buildings as far as i could see. the ones against step 1.

Other great news!

Cladding has initated on step 2 at Sørenga. Exactly the same type and colour of stone that is used on step 1.

(i thought they were going to have different sort of stones on each step, or at least a couple of different ones, correct?) started on two of the buildings as far as i could see. the ones against step 1.

Nope, there will be the same kind of super-bricks on all blocks.

400 appartments sold so far, and new ones are coming for sale in the beginning of june. Looking forward to see those renders.

from today, sorry i have no idea which building is which....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/018-3.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/020-1.jpg

looks like the start of a new one in the foreground...
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/024-1.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/021-1.jpg

more beginnings at the tip?
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/023-1.jpg

hei, suburbs!
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/025-1.jpg

bridges, balconies and canals
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/022.jpg

proof that the 'shadow' argument is meaningless...
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/027-1.jpg

view
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/026.jpg

nice
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/028-1.jpg

Two pictures from Flickr.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/7013590333_e2c879fa0e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johsgrd/7013590333/)
Fisheye distortion sample (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johsgrd/7013590333/) by johsgrd (http://www.flickr.com/people/johsgrd/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7102/7006208741_79a795e0f6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53715310@N03/7006208741/)
Sørenga (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53715310@N03/7006208741/) by SlumLagune (http://www.flickr.com/people/53715310@N03/), on Flickr

Nothing short of beautiful ;)

Blog by a (temporary) Sørenga resident: http://sorenga.wordpress.com/

The blog seems to be sponsored by Sørenga utvikling, and is to show how living on Sørenga can be. Sørenga utvikling are also renting out "test apartments" this summer: http://sorenga.no/pc-212-117-Gj%C3%B8r-som-Tone,-pr%C3%B8vebo-p%C3%A5-S%C3%B8renga.aspx

Unseen footage found on Sørenga's homepage:

Step 1 and 2 (where 1 is the completed one)
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/srenga1.jpg

Step 3:
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/srenga2.jpg

And also great news: Next step to be launched on 6th of june.

^^Someone's gone nuts with the JPEG compacting-slider!:eek:

HAV eiendom has put D1a out for sale. The plot is the northernmost one at Sørenga (currently construction site on the side of MADs rising quarter). It's the largest plot on Sørenga, and will be an important connection between Sørenga and Bispevika. Along with the school, it's part of the LPO masterplan, but not Sørenga Utvikling KS and Dnb's real estate project.


Ill by LPO:
http://www.nenyheter.no/image/416x416/ne_4f99c89413892.png
(you can also see it in post #10 of this thread)


Article: http://www.nenyheter.no/39330

^^ Is the sale only for the plot or does the design come with it (hope not)?

I guess that's up to the buyer...

Hoping the new owner chooses to break with Sørenga, so that the Sørenga "concept" ends and starts with the bridge.

I think this one (originally posted by OnTheNorthRoad) deserves to be posted here too:

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8313/oslopansscsrenga.jpg

Four layers of urbanity (Sørenga, Akershus fortress, Tjuvholmen and Bygdøy) with water in between them! :cheers:

Sørenga today:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/71731808.jpg

Step 5, set for sales-start June 6th, will only have 58 apartments in it. In a somewhat surprising move, Sørenga utvikling start sales on Jarmund/Vigsnæs' second quarter before MAD's, skipping a block on the way. It seems obvious that Sørenga utvikling is working on a more high-end approach on this building.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Byggetrinn5ovenfra_Vest113657.jpg

Other renders can be seen here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=87289949&postcount=406



Also, today there has been raised a huge banner on MAD's first quarter with the Sørenga logo. Now everyone passing will instantly know of the project.

Step 5, set for sales-start June 6th, will only have 58 apartments in it. In a somewhat surprising move, Sørenga utvikling start sales on Jarmund/Vigsnæs' second quarter before MAD's, skipping a block on the way. It seems obvious that Sørenga utvikling is working on a more high-end approach on this building.


I understand from SU that the step between will be sold later this year.
Construction on both steps will start simultaneously.

Where did you get that map from IsOst? And do we have any estimates on when the Kari Nissen Brodkord buildings will be revealed?

Where did you get that map from IsOst? And do we have any estimates on when the Kari Nissen Brodkord buildings will be revealed?

I got an email.

The Brodtkorb building is saved for last, and as far as my intel goes it will be sold as one block. Salesstart sometime in 2013 sounds plausible.

HAV eiendom has put D1a out for sale. The plot is the northernmost one at Sørenga (currently construction site on the side of MADs rising quarter). It's the largest plot on Sørenga, and will be an important connection between Sørenga and Bispevika. Along with the school, it's part of the LPO masterplan, but not Sørenga Utvikling KS and Dnb's real estate project.


Ill by LPO:
http://www.nenyheter.no/image/416x416/ne_4f99c89413892.png
(you can also see it in post #10 of this thread)


Article: http://www.nenyheter.no/39330

Sales-prospect from HAV eiendom: http://www.haveiendom.no/filestore/Bjrvika_PDF/Endeligversjonavrapport_kvadratisk_revidert_small2012.pdf

Betalte 6,9 mill. for å bo på Sørenga - fikk konsertlokale som nabo (http://oslopuls.aftenposten.no/byliv/article728806.ece)

Sales-prospect from HAV eiendom: http://www.haveiendom.no/filestore/Bjrvika_PDF/Endeligversjonavrapport_kvadratisk_revidert_small2012.pdf

I like how they talk about "Kvartalets hovedstruktur og uttrykk er basert på LPO arkitekters sitt vinnerutkast i konkurransen om utvikling av Sørenga. Vinnerutkastet er grunnlag for vedtatt bebyggelsesplan." And then proceed with showing primarily pictures of Lundgaard and Tranberg Architects apartment buildings in Copenhagen.

^^I like the idea, though. Would much rather have them there!

^^ Why? It just looks like a bunch of glorified commies to me. :dunno:

Sørenga is for me turning out to be a lost opportunity. This location had endless opportunities for a good mixed development. The only real extension of the city is the boardwalk. And will there be any other activity than just walking? I struggle to see that Sørenga with its architecture and planning will attract restaurants, shops and people from all over the city. It pales in comparison to Tjuvholmen and the rest of Bjørvika.

Things we could have done. Skipped the central park and the suburban planning. Made three or four small canals crossing the peninsula in its width and one larger canal in its length (ending at the land-side). They could have built a car-park nearby, like at Tjuvholmen, and made many different bridges with different designs. Buildings would be modern and diverse, and a lot more dense, basically occupying all land that isn't canals. Sidewalks follow the canals. First floors would be shopping and restaurants. 60/40 apartments and offices.

^^ Why? It just looks like a bunch of glorified commies to me. :dunno:

Seriously? What's your definition of a commie?

Seriously? What's your definition of a commie?
Well, it's bunch of cheap-looking white lamells blocks with repeated design. It's okay, but nothing more.

Sørenga is for me turning out to be a lost opportunity. This location had endless opportunities for a good mixed development. The only real extension of the city is the boardwalk. And will there be any other activity than just walking? I struggle to see that Sørenga with its architecture and planning will attract restaurants, shops and people from all over the city. It pales in comparison to Tjuvholmen and the rest of Bjørvika.

Things we could have done. Skipped the central park and the suburban planning. Made three or four small canals crossing the peninsula in its width and one larger canal in its length (ending at the land-side). They could have built a car-park nearby, like at Tjuvholmen, and made many different bridges with different designs. Buildings would be modern and diverse, and a lot more dense, basically occupying all land that isn't canals. Sidewalks follow the canals. First floors would be shopping and restaurants. 60/40 apartments and offices.
What so suburban about the planning?

^^
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/7390/bjrvikakart1x1000.jpg

The street grid isn't really that urban. It's a big park between the blocks. There's no walking within an urban street grid. There's just a central park, side-streets and the boardwalk (and of course the canals, which is nice). Compare to Tjuvholmen, where they're able to have penetrating street grid and buildings right next to the street. In Sørenga, there's a combination of too many lawns, too much meaningless open space and low density that gives it a suburban feel. Of course it isn't suburbia, but I would have expected more at this location.

The park is just a thin strip. Spikersuppa/Studenterlunden is wider ffs yet I don't think you will find many that consider that be suburban. We need greeneries too. The buildings themself are up to 8 floors high which is higher than a general Oslo building. That's not low density.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5016/srenga4x1000.jpg

If this isn't relatively suburban planning for this location, then I don't know what is. There's also the element of understanding communication. If I were to say, it's as suburban as Bøler, then it would be very false, but it's kind of obvious that the location of the peninsula, stretching out in Bjørvika bay, should make room for highly urban planning. At least I think so.

It doesn't matter that the strip isn't really that wide. It's a mix between a street and a lawn. I don't like it, but I presume many others do.

Also, "up to" doesn't really give that much information. Many buildings will be five-six residential floors. Density is about more than floors as well. I think the peninsula will have too much open space for its own good, with regards to degrees of urbanity.

What's so suburban about it? It's a park with buildings next to it. You could re-create that render with a all city parks in the city. Of course it looks somewhat suburban on a render when you only see a one angle and not the whole surrounding area. Not too dissimilar to this:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20120202_001.jpg

When it in reality turns out to be a lot more denser and urban.

^^ I'd say it is pretty dissimilar. The green strip at Sørenga is loong, and besides, what other than renders and drawings can you base a view on at this stage? If it turns out better, I'll be happy.

But yes, I agree that the outer parts of Tjuvholmen indeed is a bit more suburban, and if every part of that development had the same planning it would be less attractive in my view, but as the inner parts are so extremely urban, it is well balanced.

I don't think I'm the only one that thinks Sørenga is in danger of not being urban enough. Sure, the boardwalk will probably be good, but apart from that..?

^^ I'd say it is pretty dissimilar. The green strip at Sørenga is loong, and besides, what other than renders and drawings can you base a view on at this stage? If it turns out better, I'll be happy.

Nothing, but have more the one render you found where it's taken from angle in order to making the green strip seems as large as possible and the development seems as green as possible. We have a map that shows that aren't talking about a large, open field but rather a thin strip thinner than most parks in Oslo surrounded by slightly more than average dense blocks.



I don't think I'm the only one that thinks Sørenga is in danger of not being urban enough. Sure, the boardwalk will probably be good, but apart from that..?
I don't really know what you expect? It's a modern residential area and the attractions are of course limited.

I don't really know what you expect? It's a modern residential area and the attractions are of course limited.

As said, I was hoping for a different planning. This is actually what we're discussing..

I don't understand why, given that you're dissatisfied with big portions of the developments in the city, you don't understand that someone else finds a different development not urban enough for the location. Then suddenly it is "what do you expect?"

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

I am very much a fan of Tjuvholmen, but I wouldn't like to have a 'copy' of it in Sørenga. Like the fact that they do the opposite without going suburban at all. I very much like the overall plan and the relaxed feel of the place. Remember the horrible Snøhetta proposal anyone? Thank god that we dont end up with that!

I think any criticism of sørenga must be made with the consideration that this is oslo were talking about - it could quite easily have been 80% park and some hytte...

As far as 'attractions' - i agree it doesn't quite match tjuvholmen, though i'd be interesting to know what kind of commercial property edges the large plaza-type tip of the peninsula?

I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but Im really pleased with how Sørenga is developing. To make it so different from Tjuvholmen was a masterstroke: the simple elegance of the brick facades, and the quiet oasis feel of the place makes Barcode, and even Tjuvholmen, look like they are just trying too damn hard.

There is a hint of suburbia feel to it though, and the main avenue could have been made grander, rather than park-like with fake knolls everywhere.

On to the photos:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_3183-1.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_3189-1.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_3371-1.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/SrengaMay12.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/SrengaIIIMay2012.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/SrengaIIMay2012.jpg

Step 5, set for sales-start June 6th, will only have 58 apartments in it. In a somewhat surprising move, Sørenga utvikling start sales on Jarmund/Vigsnæs' second quarter before MAD's, skipping a block on the way. It seems obvious that Sørenga utvikling is working on a more high-end approach on this building.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Byggetrinn5ovenfra_Vest113657.jpg


More info:

Salgstrinn 5 er planlagt som et lite eierseksjonssameie med kun 58 leiligheter. Trinnet vil få hele 40 ulike leilighetstyper og du kan velge mellom 3 eksklusive stiler i innredningen, slik at du får en leilighet tilpasset din personlige stil. Dette uten tillegg i prisen. Kjøkken og garderobe leveres av Expo Nova. Kjøkkenvariantene er fra det italienske merket Varenna og garderober fra Poliform. Badene blir plassbygde med bruk av materialer av høy kvalitet. Beliggenheten og byggets arkitektoniske form gir sol fra morgen til kveld for nesten alle leiligheter. I tillegg kommer en fantastisk utsikt mot Hovedøya og fjorden og nærkontakt med sjøen for alle, uansett etasje.
Alle balkonger er trukket inn i fasaden og har en god størrelse. Hele 11 leiligheter får egen takterrasse. Takhøyden i leiligheten er fra 2,60 til 2,70 meter og balkongene har høy standard i form av trebekledning på vegger, tak og gulv. De minste leilighetene vil være på 45 m2 BRA , de største på hele 192 m2 BRA.
Salgsprisene er ikke endelig fastsatt. Salgstrinn 5 vil ha en optimal beliggenhet ytterst på Sørenga. I tillegg kommer høyere innvendig standard. Dette vil naturlig nok måtte gjenspeile seg i salgsprisene for boligene som vil være høyere enn i tidligere salgstrinn.
Egen interessentliste for salgstrinn 5.

Det vil bli laget en egen eksklusiv interessentliste for salgstrinn 5. Dersom du er interessert i dette trinnet må du ringe megler Ingunn Iselin Husebø på tlf. 92 80 62 32/95 15 99 99 eller sende en e.post til ingunn.husebo@dnbeiendom.no. Du vil da bli fulgt opp videre og få løpende informasjon om fremdriften av salget samt få tilsendt prospekt. Salgsstart er satt til onsdag 6.juni 2012. Kjøpetilbud kan leveres inn av de som står på den eksklusive interessentlisten og fristen er kl. 08.00 onsdag den 6.juni. Dersom flere melder seg til samme leilighet vil det bli foretatt loddtrekning. Det endelige salgsmaterialet vil være klart rundt 30.mai. Salgsutstilling vil bli avholdt 3. 4. og 5.juni på Sørenga

Source: http://sorenga.no/pc-220-117-Nytt-salgstrinn-ytterst-på-Sørenga.aspx

https://public.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1pXtzO63E0QHwE6yEv5gRoUWpy-ZyI9oyGzpggw_HeQ2P2td0HlbKcn_czVutj3kTts_lvZG2Q-BIjZEmgBY4Uxg/Trinn5.jpg

From Aftenposten, last Sunday.

^^ Where did you find that render?

^^ Where did you find that render?

In the physical Aftenposten, last sunday. I have the e-subscription so I took a screenshot from my browser. It's strange that sorenga.no doesn't show more renders, but I guess it's because they are waiting for the "launch".

I like Sörenga! It's a nice contrast/variation from the other developments. It could of course have been more inspiring, but I like the robust and exclusive feel the bricks give. (datoripgram in the Norwegian section? Blasphemy!)