The richest cities in the world

Ranking: The richest cities in the world
(By personal earnings)
http://www.citymayors.com/economics/richest_cities.html
22 August 2009: The UBS survey of 73 international cities found that employees in Copenhagen, Zurich, Geneva and New York had the highest gross earnings. The undisputed champion in our international wage comparison is Zurich. Net incomes are higher there than in any other city in the world. With its extremely high gross wages and comparatively low tax rates, Switzerland is a very employee-friendly country. No other city in the comparison allowed workers to take home more income at the end of the month than Zurich and Geneva. A continental comparison of average incomes paints a different picture: on average, the world’s highest gross and net wages are paid in North America. However, there is a wage differential in North America as well. Wages in New York, Los Angeles, Miami and Chicago are significantly higher on average than in the Canadian metropolises of Montreal and Toronto.


2009 asian cities ranking

18 - tokyo

36 - dubai
37 - hongkong
38 - seoul
39 - taipei
40 - singapore

53 - doha

59 - shanghai

62 - kuala lumpur

64 - beijing

66 - bangkok

70 - new delhi
71 - manila
72 - jakarta
73 - mumbai



Richest cities and urban areas in 2020
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/richest-cities-2020.html
11 March 2007: The tables provide GDP figures for cities and their surrounding urban areas in 2020. Most such agglomerations are economically, socially and culturally dominated by one city at their centre. Occasionally however, several cities of similar status and their suburbs make up an urban area. The GDP figures are estimated and expressed in US$, using purchasing power parity exchange rates. The estimates are based on PricewaterhouseCoopers estimates and projections as well as UN urban agglomeration definitions and population estimates. The research was carried out by PricewaterhouseCoopers.

ASIAN RANKING:

1 - TOKYO

14 - HONGKONG

16 - SHANGHAI
17 - SEOUL

24 - MUMBAI

29 - BEIJING
30 - MANILA

33 - JAKARTA
34 - NEW DELHI

40 - SINGAPORE

46 - BANGKOK

50 - RIYADH
51 - PUSAN

66 - KARACHI
67 - DHAKA

78 - HO CHI MIN CITY

103 - HANOI

151 - PYONGYANG

The richest cities in the world

Richest cities and urban areas in 2020
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/richest-cities-2020.html
11 March 2007: The tables provide GDP figures for cities and their surrounding urban areas in 2020. Most such agglomerations are economically, socially and culturally dominated by one city at their centre. Occasionally however, several cities of similar status and their suburbs make up an urban area. The GDP figures are estimated and expressed in US$, using purchasing power parity exchange rates. The estimates are based on PricewaterhouseCoopers estimates and projections as well as UN urban agglomeration definitions and population estimates. The research was carried out by PricewaterhouseCoopers.

ASIAN RANKING:

1 - TOKYO

14 - HONGKONG

16 - SHANGHAI
17 - SEOUL

24 - MUMBAI

29 - BEIJING
30 - MANILA

33 - JAKARTA
34 - NEW DELHI

40 - SINGAPORE

46 - BANGKOK

50 - RIYADH
51 - PUSAN

66 - KARACHI
67 - DHAKA

78 - HO CHI MIN CITY

103 - HANOI

151 - PYONGYANG


No offense! but I reserve the right not to believe this ranking :lol::lol:

^^ i tend not to believe the estimations and predictions in 2020...peace..:banana:

^^ of course you wouldn't
Your attitude is that you would never believe anything that's not BIASED to your own country
(VERY TYPICAL SICK ASEAN ATTITUDE :P)



@TOPIC:
why isn't KUALA LUMPUR included in the top 151 in 2020?
(^^ that is why they don't believe)

That is because the cities are measured of overall Estimated GDP PPP and not of GDP per capita
of course Kuala Lumpur would not be included in 2020, primarily reason is the small population which cannot compete with VERY VERY heavy populated cities around the world.
if it was GDP per capita, Kuala Lumpur would definitely be in the list.

^^^^

You are completely pathetic..:bash: well im not a defensive kind of asean as what you claimed..plus KL is not my city.. :bash:

The predictions are more into GDP (irregardless PPP or per capita)
GDP do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries, and the results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country's currency. GDP is not a measure of personal income. GDP may increase while incomes for the majority of a country's citizens may even decrease or change.Nothing about the definition of GDP suggests that it is necessarily a measure of standard of living. For instance, in an extreme example, a country which exported 100 per cent of its production and imported nothing would still have a high GDP, but a very poor standard of living.

The ranking is based on PREDICTIONS..!!!! Anything would happen that may distract the level of GDP in any countries such as political issue, natural disasters, war and etc..thats why i dont believe in such rankings..!!! - Peace :banana:

^^ but I have reservations about predictions on the global economy. The economists failed miserably in predicting the global recession. What's next?

^^^^

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The predictions are more into GDP (irregardless PPP or per capita)
GDP do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries, and the results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country's currency. GDP is not a measure of personal income. GDP may increase while incomes for the majority of a country's citizens may even decrease or change.Nothing about the definition of GDP suggests that it is necessarily a measure of standard of living. For instance, in an extreme example, a country which exported 100 per cent of its production and imported nothing would still have a high GDP, but a very poor standard of living.

The ranking is based on PREDICTIONS..!!!! Anything would happen that may distract the level of GDP in any countries such as political issue, natural disasters, war and etc..thats why i dont believe in such rankings..!!! - Peace :banana:

precisely, predictions are not necessarily true. The World Bank predicted that the Philippines would go into recession this year but they were proven wrong...we posted positive growth.

It's hard to rely on predictions. On the global financial crisis that started in the US. Did the economists tell us the magnitude of the crisis? The closure of Lehman Brothers? the collapse of big US companies and its effect to the world? Nobody...

^^^^

You are completely pathetic..:bash: well im not a defensive kind of asean as what you claimed..plus KL is not my city.. :bash:

The predictions are more into GDP (irregardless PPP or per capita)
GDP do not take into account differences in the cost of living in different countries, and the results can vary greatly from one year to another based on fluctuations in the exchange rates of the country's currency. GDP is not a measure of personal income. GDP may increase while incomes for the majority of a country's citizens may even decrease or change.Nothing about the definition of GDP suggests that it is necessarily a measure of standard of living. For instance, in an extreme example, a country which exported 100 per cent of its production and imported nothing would still have a high GDP, but a very poor standard of living.

The ranking is based on PREDICTIONS..!!!! Anything would happen that may distract the level of GDP in any countries such as political issue, natural disasters, war and etc..thats why i dont believe in such rankings..!!! - Peace :banana:

Do you have any idea what PPP and nominal is? the difference between GDP and GDP per capita? Your statements are contradicting itself....

Your reply is a proof that you are very ignorant.. i suggest you read and stuy.
i dare not debate with the sort of people like you. dumbass!

and who said you are from KL?...

^^
Sick...!!!! I dare not to debate with such human being like you..!!!..truly DUMBASS..!!

precisely, predictions are not necessarily true. The World Bank predicted that the Philippines would go into recession this year but they were proven wrong...we posted positive growth.

It's hard to rely on predictions. On the global financial crisis that started in the US. Did the economists tell us the magnitude of the crisis? The closure of Lehman Brothers? the collapse of big US companies and its effect to the world? Nobody...

Agreed...!!!

Do you have any idea what PPP and nominal is? the difference between GDP and GDP per capita? Your statements are contradicting itself....

Your reply is a proof that you are very ignorant.. i suggest you read and stuy.
i dare not debate with the sort of people like you. dumbass!

and who said you are from KL?...

You are complelety defensive kind of ASEAN...!!!

that list is bullshit, we should list each cities GDP to compare

aaahhh..poor u guys...always comparing each other....typical asian..the largest mall, the tallest building.....the bla la la.....and wats next????hehe.....

^^ YEAH!! that's what i'm saying!! THE TYPICAL ASEAN ATTITUDE..
they get ticked OFF WHEN THEY ARE NOT ON THE TOP OF THE LIST!!

WE ARE BEST BLAH BLAH BLAH..

whatever

Don't get me wrong.

According to Wikipedia, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for Kuala Lumpur is estimated at RM25,968 million in 2000. That's roughly about US$6.834 billion.

In 2005, Metro Manila's GDP was about US$108 billion according to PriceWaterhouseCoopers. PwC did not include KL and Taipei in the "World's Richest Cities List 2005".

I really don't know how they compute these figures depending on methodology, land/jurisdiction area, population, etc. But in general, most sources put KL having a population of less than 2 million people, while Manila has more than 7 million people.

Don't get me wrong.

According to Wikipedia, the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for Kuala Lumpur is estimated at RM25,968 million in 2000. That's roughly about US$6.834 billion.

In 2005, Metro Manila's GDP was about US$108 billion according to PriceWaterhouseCoopers. PwC did not include KL and Taipei in the "World's Richest Cities List 2005".

I really don't know how they compute these figures depending on methodology, land/jurisdiction area, population, etc. But in general, most sources put KL having a population of less than 2 million people, while Manila has more than 7 million people.

Philippines is a US$180 Billion economy. I think that is correct for Metro Manila's GDP in 2005. The National Capital Region contributes roughly 50% to 60% of the total economy of the country.

To add: Metro Manila today has 12 million people. However, census in 2007 had 11 million people.

Metro manila contribute around 58% of Philippines GDP!...that is huge number..no wonder it is one of the richest city in asia by GDP... by the way malaysia GDP nominal in the year 2000 around US$110 Billion ( http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/country-profile-114.html), kuala lumpur GDP at the year is US$6.834 billion, that mean Kuala Lumpur only contribute 6.21% of Malaysia GDP..by doing comparison malaysia GDP(nominal) at 2008 is US$ 221 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29) and let say if kuala lumpur still contribute 6.21% of Malaysia GDP ( since we don't know the latest figure of kL GDP), it GDP should around US$13.724 billion..it is much less compare with other Asian cities and that why KL is not in the listed...:)

i think the list will change if they count the metro KL GDP..^^

this is top 10 the richest city by purchasing power in asia:
http://www.citymayors.com/economics/usb-purchasing-power.html

1. Tokyo
2. Dubai
3. Tel Aviv
4. Taipei
5. Hong Kong
6. Seoul
7. Doha
8. Kuala Lumpur
9. Singapore
10.Shanghai

Metro manila contribute around 58% of Philippines GDP!...that is huge number..no wonder it is one of the richest city in asia by GDP... by the way malaysia GDP nominal in the year 2000 around US$110 Billion ( http://earthtrends.wri.org/text/economics-business/country-profile-114.html), kuala lumpur GDP at the year is US$6.834 billion, that mean Kuala Lumpur only contribute 6.21% of Malaysia GDP..by doing comparison malaysia GDP(nominal) at 2008 is US$ 221 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29) and let say if kuala lumpur still contribute 6.21% of Malaysia GDP ( since we don't know the latest figure of kL GDP), it GDP should around US$13.724 billion..it is much less compare with other Asian cities and that why KL is not in the listed...:)

i think the list will change if they count the metro KL GDP..^^


Very good analysis there.

I read somewhere Metro KL otherwise known as Klang Valley contribute about 30% or more to Malaysia's GDP. So if US$ 221 billion, 30% will be about US$ 66 billion.

Pretty good comparison:
---
Metro KL = 66 billion with 7+million people;
Metro Manila = 108 billion with about 11+ million people

I agree with Hafizzuan,Patchay, RizalHakim and arefull87...

this is top 10 the richest city by purchasing power in asia:
http://www.citymayors.com/economics/usb-purchasing-power.html

1. Tokyo
2. Dubai
3. Tel Aviv
4. Taipei
5. Hong Kong
6. Seoul
7. Doha
8. Kuala Lumpur
9. Singapore
10.Shanghai

I love this fact...

^^ i'm not really surprised why, considering you hated the first list....

(haaays, i can't believe I'm in the same forum with this kind of people..)

Which city is richest is not important at all.

Most important is how well spread is the wealth in that city. The most common thing in cities of developing Asia is the rich gets richer; while the poor gets poorer. Another pathetic thing is corruption is sooo widespread/rampant in those cities.

^^ i'm not really surprised why, considering you hated the first list....

(haaays, i can't believe I'm in the same forum with this kind of people..)

I dont understand why you like always give a bad impression towards others opinions...!!! i tot this is a discussion forum and every1 are free to express their ideas...!!!

I cant believe they r still human being like you..I suggest you to create your own thread n noted there,MY FACT IS ALWAYS CORRECT AND OTHERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXPRESS THEIR IDEAS EXCEPT ME...!!! SICK...!!!!

^^ you again... LOL

anyway, THIS VERY SAME TOPIC was already POSTED and was already DEBATED already at the other threads.
same lists, same attitude, same results, same ending...

According to an int. survey,till 2012 new delhi will topple all other cities in terms of economic boom.

Which city is richest is not important at all.

Most important is how well spread is the wealth in that city. The most common thing in cities of developing Asia is the rich gets richer; while the poor gets poorer. Another pathetic thing is corruption is sooo widespread/rampant in those cities.

true....:)

Agree !!

hush now hypocrites,. there's already a list now of which is which when it comes to the wealthiest cities in Asia,. So why argue if it's already factual?. There's no need to continue this thread coz your'e just trying to make a spark to each other.

And another thing, stop starting up threads which can be a source of nonsense arguments like this,. But if you really should, may I ask the mod to be more responsible and delete posts which can harm the other. Don't get me wrong but judging from the threads that i visited, you guys are not proving anything from each other. You're just showcasing to the whole world that southeast Asians are shallow people and ultra desperate to pull each other down just to sugar-coat their own-a typical third world mentality..:crazy:

hush now hypocrites,. there's already a list now of which is which when it comes to the wealthiest cities in Asia,. So why argue if it's already factual?. There's no need to continue this thread coz your'e just trying to make a spark to each other.

And another thing, stop starting up threads which can be a source of nonsense arguments like this,. But if you really should, may I ask the mod to be more responsible and delete posts which can harm the other. Don't get me wrong but judging from the threads that i visited, you guys are not proving anything from each other. You're just showcasing to the whole world that southeast Asians are shallow people and ultra desperate to pull each other down just to sugar-coat their own-a typical third world mentality..:crazy:

i believe there is nothing wrong with this thread, is the people that make this thread shit. insecurity is the root of evil.,............mod closed this thread.

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

i don't think we need such ranking...:ohno:

According to an int. survey,till 2012 new delhi will topple all other cities in terms of economic boom.



yeah you are right dude, new delhi will definetly topple all other cities in ASIA... i live in new delhi and the growth here is tremendous, not only rich people are getting richer but poor people too are moving ahead...great to see all this BMW's Merc's Audi's and Rover's etc etc are becoming very very very common in new delhi big bunglows super luxury malls woooaaah its amazing

the most luxuries mall in ASIA is in New Delhi...DLF EMPORIO

see it to believe it.

all the best

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

Dw, this guy is just trolling God knows whose ass he pulled those rankings from.

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

^^punkass:lol:

mod, please, do what i say, delete nonsense posts like this,..:ohno:

Thailand deserves to be in the 1st league..tq elizza

The most expensive cities in Asia
Research by ECA International
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/expensive-cities-asia.html#Anchor-Most-49575


1 Tokyo
2 Nagoya
3 Yokohama
4 Kobe
5 Beijing
6 Shanghai
7 Hong Kong
8 Shenzhen
9 Guangzhou
10 Singapore
11 Taipei
.
17 Seoul
.
28 Bangkok
.
30 Hanoi
.
32 Jakarta
.
35 Metro-Manila
.
38 Kuala Lumpur
.
41 New Delhi


Strong currencies are pushing up the cost of living for staff assigned to major Asian locations, according to ECA International. Tokyo remains the most expensive location in Asia, due largely to the appreciation of the yen against other major currencies. Joining Japanese locations in the region’s top ten are the Chinese cities of Beijing and Shanghai as well as Hong Kong and Singapore. Table

The strengthening of Asian currencies is the dominant factor contributing to the region being more expensive for visitors than it was 12 months ago. In that period, the yuan has continued to strengthen while the yen has appreciated by almost eight per cent against the US dollar. Many Western currencies, including sterling, the euro and the Swiss franc, have weakened. As a result, people coming from these economies into Asia will notice a considerable difference in costs compared with 12 months ago.

Singapore
Singapore has moved into the top ten most expensive locations within the region in spite of its weakened currency. Price rises have not slowed down as much in Singapore as in other parts of Asia. The ECA data shows that while the prices of goods and services in China and Malaysia have increased at half last year’s pace, in Singapore this rate is down by just 25 per cent. Furthermore, currencies of locations previously more expensive than Singapore, notably London, Stockholm and Istanbul, have depreciated at an even faster rate than the Singapore dollar. These factors have contributed to Singapore becoming more expensive for visitors than many of the other locations in the survey."

Hong Kong
The rebound of the US dollar against many major currencies has meant that cost of living in Hong Kong, where the currency is linked to the dollar, has risen relative to many other locations. This is reflected by its move from 98th to 29th position in the ranking. The effect of inflation in Hong Kong this year has been more moderate than last year. The major reason behind Hong Kong becoming more expensive for assignees is due to the strengthening of the US dollar over the year.

Not all Asian currencies have strengthened, however. The tumbling Korean won has seen Seoul, the region’s most expensive location for assignees just two years ago, fall to 17th position regionally and 101st worldwide. Likewise, the depreciation of the ringgit has made the cost of living cheaper for assignees heading to Malaysia, while the Thai baht, the Indonesian rupiah and the Taiwanese dollar have all depreciated against the US dollar in recent months.

Of the 15 Chinese cities featured in the survey, Beijing is the most expensive. New Delhi is the most expensive and Kolkata the cheapest of the 7 Indian locations included in the survey. The weakened Indian rupee, coupled with lower inflation has seen cost of living for expatriates in Indian locations fall below last year’s levels.

The Mongolian capital, Ulaanbaatar, is the cheapest location in Asia, with goods and services approximately a third of the cost there than when purchased in Tokyo.

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

TROLL ALERRRRRRT!!
i don't think there are any mods here...

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

For me, I am not affected by this. In the first place, who is elliza? We, the educated ones, should know where to get correct sources and the economic indicators. Obviously, elliza can be forgiven, either he/she is not educated, or does not know how to access the correct information.

As long as the Filipinos know where they stand, there is no need to boast to the whole world 'coz people in this forum know how we fare as a nation. Just a click in google about Philippine economy, enormous information is available.

There is no need to argue either as there is no benefit to it.

For me, I am not affected by this. In the first place, who is elliza? We, the educated ones, should know where to get correct sources and the economic indicators. Obviously, elliza can be forgiven, either he/she is not educated, or does not know how to access the correct information.

As long as the Filipinos know where they stand, there is no need to boast to the whole world 'coz people in this forum know how we fare as a nation. Just a click in google about Philippine economy, enormous information is available.

There is no need to argue either as there is no benefit to it.

:banana::banana::banana:

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

there should be league 4 where people like you exclusively belong!

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

If u consider wealthiness ... You can't put Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand in the same league...

Singapore is much more way ahead Malaysia and Thailand.... :nuts: ... And... I'm Indonesian.

yes... Singapore (even Brunei) is way ahead of Malaysia in terms of almost all aspects.

From education to legal systems, from infrastructure to economy (trade), from civic (public mentality) to lifestyle, from wealth (consumption per capita) to globalization (open economy). And there's no poverty and little corruption.

With the above measures, I think Malaysia is slightly ahead of Thailand. Still both countries did badly on politics, corruption, wealth distribution and literacy. Malaysia did well in reducing hardcore poverty and openness of economy (perhaps because we inherited everything from British).

Malaysia is fast losing out to Thailand in foreign investments.

-edited-

i think so..pinoy is among the poorest nation on earth..

i think someone try to make provocation here....

^^ u right...just suddenly so many new user appear in this asian forum

^^ yea, and making the same comments over and over
just ignore him

^^

if you think it is me. no that's not me even if I am new to SCC. I am not going to create tension between people. Mods can track back the IP address if I am not wrong. :baeh3:

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar

well, you can even put philippines on the 4th,5th watever you like, we dont care, it only shows how ignorant, pathetic and insecure you are.. why, are u treaten? its hard to accept the fact that a poor country like the philippines can compete or even surpasses the country of yours...

a bit change

1 League - Singapore
2 League - Malaysia, Thailand
3 League - Indonesia, Vietnam
4. Philippine,Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar

yes... Singapore (even Brunei) is way ahead of Malaysia in terms of almost all aspects.

From education to legal systems, from infrastructure to economy (trade), from civic (public mentality) to lifestyle, from wealth (consumption per capita) to globalization (open economy). And there's no poverty and little corruption.

With the above measures, I think Malaysia is slightly ahead of Thailand. Still both countries did badly on politics, corruption, wealth distribution and literacy. Malaysia did well in reducing hardcore poverty and openness of economy (perhaps because we inherited everything from British).

Malaysia is fast losing out to Thailand in foreign investments.


Comparing Malaysia to Singapore is totally unfair.:bash::bash: There is a big difference between a city state and a nation state.Singapore is a true city state; its population is barely more than 61% the population of metro Kuala Lumpur and about 17% the population of Malaysia. Though KL and Singapore are both majority Chinese societies. It is like comparing “first-class grapes (Singapore) with first-class apples (Malaysia). And it does not comparable at all!

a bit change

1 League - Singapore
2 League - Malaysia, Thailand
3 League - Indonesia, Vietnam
4. Philippine,Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar

hahahaha....i'm really entertained by this thread. Why don't you change again? hehehehe, like this.

1 League - Singapore
2 League - Malaysia, Thailand
3 League - Indonesia, Vietnam
4. League - Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
11.
....
99.

100. Philippines yehey....:cheers::cheers:

happy??? cheers

regards.

Mga kababayan, intindihin natin ang isang baliw :)

^^ LOL, that was funny.
CHEERS ELIZA!!! hope we made your day


@ SHEN
what? why the reaction?? (i was refering to ELIZA) LOL
don't be weird..

@Khosim
if that's the case, then comparing any other country too is unfair.. don't you think so?
be happy they made your country at number 2..
we are happy our country is at top 100. LOL
(just play along with ELIZA, she has very special needs... she needs your understanding)

in 2008,shanghai has GDP of 1380billion RMB,which is 206billion usd,
beijing has 1107billion RMB, which is 165billion usd,
guangzhou has 820billion rmb, which is 122billion usd
shenzhen has 790billion rmb, which is 117billion usd
suzhou has 670billion rmb, which is roughly 100billion usd,
so in the mainland China there are 5 cities with GDP over 100billion usd.
if including other chinese territory, there will be 2more, hk, taipei
I guess at least 3 of these cities are in the asia top 10, along with some japanese cities, singapore, seoul,hk,,taipeibankok,KL,

^^ wow lots of big cities in China

not so much in South East Asia.. i don't think there are any cities in the region earning a GDP of 100 BILLION DOLLARS or more
except maybe Singapore, which is an island STATE. I'm not sure how many cities Singapore has... just one, right???

please correct me if i'm wrong (i'm just guessing)

^^ OOPSSS.. sorry.. i proved myself wrong
theres 2 who made it in the 100 Billion $ GDP club
Jakarta almost made it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP#Asia.2C_Southeast

1 Singapore Singapore $ 129 B
2 Manila Philippines $ 108 B
3 Jakarta Indonesia $ 98 B
4 Bangkok Thailand $ 89 B
5 Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam $ 38 B


and according to a survey (just a survey, ok?)
surprisingly, the most expensive cities for "EXPATS" are:
(Various factors enter into a city's cost-of-living for expatriate employees, such as monetary value, consumer confidence, investment, interest rates, exchange rates of the country's currency, and housing costs.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_cities_for_expatriate_employees#Three_most_expensive_cities_by_region_.28as_of_July_2009.29

country world ranking
1 Singapore ▲ 10
2 Hanoi ▲ 58
3 Ho Chi Minh City ▲ 69
4 Kuala Lumpur ▲ 96
5 Bangkok ▲ 98
6 Jakarta ▲ 106
7 Manila ▲ 126


these are not own lists.. i just found it in WIKI :D

wow, CVC Thread!
where's the poll?:D

last time I've voted was about 4 years ago:D:D:D

^^ OOPSSS.. sorry.. i proved myself wrong
theres 2 who made it in the 100 Billion $ GDP club
Jakarta almost made it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP#Asia.2C_Southeast

1 Singapore Singapore $ 129 B
2 Manila Philippines $ 108 B
3 Jakarta Indonesia $ 98 B
4 Bangkok Thailand $ 89 B
5 Ho Chi Minh City Vietnam $ 38 B


the GDP of KL is probably about US$15 B (it was about US$ 6B in 2000).... that will make KL one of the poorest capital in the region. Indeed. The fact is KL is always calculated as the inner-city center only and inner-city has less than 1million local population.

Today, neighbouring cities/districts of KL such as Petaling Jaya, Segambut/MontKiara, Gombak, Ampang, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Cheras, Putrajaya, Klang, Kajang, etc... have higher economic growth than KL City. Cumulatively, about 7 million people (including foreigners) live outside KL. I hope these cities will formally merge to eventually form a large urban conurbation.

the GDP of KL is probably about US$15 B (it was about US$ 6B in 2000).... that will make KL one of the poorest capital in the region. Indeed. The fact is KL is always calculated as the inner-city center only and inner-city has less than 1million local population.

Today, neighbouring cities/districts of KL such as Petaling Jaya, Mont'Kiara, Gombak, Ampang, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Cheras, Putrajaya, Klang, Kajang, etc... have higher economic growth than KL City. Cumulatively, about 7 million people (including foreigners) live outside KL. I hope these cities will formally merge to eventually form a large urban conurbation.

No, KL should not be classified like that. The GDP in total value is low because of low population but GDP per capita is high or GDP PPP is surely high for KL compared to other cities in ASEAN except Singapore and Brunei.

For me, to date, the best gauge is still the United Nations Human Development Index or HDI. It classifies the countries as to its GDP PPP, life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living.

Here's the ranking for 2009 of Asian countries (I did not put the Middle Eastern countries):
http://hdr.undp.org/en/

Very High HDI
1. Japan
2. Singapore
2. Hongkong
3. South Korea

High HDI
1. Brunei Darussalam
2. Malaysia

Medium HDI
1. Thailand
2. China
3. Maldives
4. Sri Lanka
5. Philippines
6. Indonesia
7. Mongolia
8. Vietnam
9. Laos
10. India
11. Cambodia
12. Myanmar
13. Pakistan
14. Nepal
15. Bangladesh
16. Papua New Guinea

Low HDI
1. Timor Leste
2. Afghanistan

yep malaysia has one of the highest in the region next to Singapore.
individually, they are richer than their SEA neighbors.

@patchay
yea, i agree.. they should make KL and it's surrounding cities as a single Metro.
but these cities are part of the States, and not part of the Federal territory (correct me if i'm wrong)
so i guess, they have to overhaul their administrative territories first, before it happens.

i wonder how will these cities be called when they combine... Metro KL? or Metro PJ? :D
but i think it should be called METRO PUTRAJAYA - i think it's the best city in Malaysia :D (just my opinion)
(but not sure if that will ever happen, coz what i understand is Putrajaya is an Independent, Federal Territory too just like KL).

Why everytime philippine were said as a poor country then by sudden the name of KL is embroiled ? its nothing to do with KL or singapore..it is the fact...i never mention or compare KL with manila..why u dont compare bangkok ? and im not a malaysian...lolz..

^^ WEIRDNESS

THE ONLY ONE IN THE HOT SPOT HERE IS YOU!

so please just... shooo!! and go away!
RETARD

the GDP of KL is probably about US$15 B (it was about US$ 6B in 2000).... that will make KL one of the poorest capital in the region. Indeed. The fact is KL is always calculated as the inner-city center only and inner-city has less than 1million local population.

Today, neighbouring cities/districts of KL such as Petaling Jaya, Segambut/MontKiara, Gombak, Ampang, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Cheras, Putrajaya, Klang, Kajang, etc... have higher economic growth than KL City. Cumulatively, about 7 million people (including foreigners) live outside KL. I hope these cities will formally merge to eventually form a large urban conurbation.

it true the GDP of KL was calculated as the inner city center only or the region under kuala lumpur city hall ..they don't include the sub city such petaling jaya, shah alam, subang jaya,puchong, putrajaya and so on because this city under different administrative...the population kuala lumpur itself only has 1 million something..and that why the GDP of Kuala lumpur is much lower compare with city has high population....it hard to combine all the city under 1 city or we call metro KL because Kuala lumpur is federal territory and the surrounding city such as petaling jaya, shah alam, subang jaya has their own local authority and under the state of selangor...no metro kl as officially but people here look the region of kuala lumpur and it surrounding city as the klang valley...the klang valley maybe contribute around 30%- 40% to malaysia GDP....

^^ Yea that's what i've read
they refer the region most often as Klang Valley

so maybe Metro Klang? :D

^^ Yea that's what i've read
they refer the region most often as Klang Valley

so maybe Metro Klang? :D

haha maybe...:)

Why everytime philippine were said as a poor country then by sudden the name of KL is embroiled ? its nothing to do with KL or singapore..it is the fact...i never mention or compare KL with manila..why u dont compare bangkok ? and im not a malaysian...lolz..

you can call the Philippines as you wish, if you are ecstatic about it, or if you are orgasmic about calling us in whatever you want, do it. hahahahaha.

See my ranking in my previous post? you can put the Philippines in rank 1,000 if you want hehehehe....i know you're not intelligent so you don't get what I mean hehehehe.

The last league, cling to the bow..let's sing. lol

i think so..pinoy is among the poorest nation on earth..

Oh, another one. The same person who demonized the Indonesians. Wow, wow, wow. If calling the Pinoys like that would bring you extreme happiness and deliver you from misery, go for it.

Let's sing. :lol:

^^ Yea that's what i've read
they refer the region most often as Klang Valley

so maybe Metro Klang? :D


Imo , if those city near KL that combine together , the population will highest than Singapore and the area also large . I think Klang Valley include KL should be 7 million population something .

Today, neighbouring cities/districts of KL such as Petaling Jaya, Segambut/MontKiara, Gombak, Ampang, Subang Jaya, Shah Alam, Cheras, Putrajaya, Klang, Kajang, etc... have higher economic growth than KL City. Cumulatively, about 7 million people (including foreigners) live outside KL. I hope these cities will formally merge to eventually form a large urban conurbation.

^^ Yea that's what i've read
they refer the region most often as Klang Valley

so maybe Metro Klang? :D

^^ Klang Valley is officially be named as KL conurbation city and its include seremban and nilai...This KL conurbation name not so popular since most of the city is part of Selangor state while KL is under the federal territory.

i think so..pinoy is among the poorest nation on earth..

What do you want to hear? Malaysia is the richest nation on earth. Wow, Congratulations! Happy? :lol:

Comparing Malaysia to Singapore is totally unfair.:bash::bash: There is a big difference between a city state and a nation state.Singapore is a true city state; its population is barely more than 61% the population of metro Kuala Lumpur and about 17% the population of Malaysia. Though KL and Singapore are both majority Chinese societies. It is like comparing “first-class grapes (Singapore) with first-class apples (Malaysia). And it does not comparable at all!

I think the same conclusion applied as there are so many people from neighboring country compared and looked down on Indonesians. It is totally unfair too to compare a 240-million-people country with another country which has only about 10% of its population. It's totally unfair to compare Indonesia with another country which sized even smaller than one of its' main island (let's say Kalimantan, Papua, or Sumatra)

Each country can't be compared easily as apple to apple, so pls don't look down or insult other countries if you feel you are richer, etc. Countries in different league can't be compared at all.....

-I think the same conclusion applied as there are so many people from neighboring country compared and looked down on Indonesians. It is totally unfair too to compare a 240-million-people country with another country which has only about 10% of its population. It's totally unfair to compare Indonesia with another country which sized even smaller than one of its' main island (let's say Kalimantan, Papua, or Sumatra)

Each country can't be compared easily as apple to apple, so pls don't look down or insult other countries if you feel you are richer, etc. Countries in different league can't be compared at all.....

Some people forget the Golden Rule - "Do not do unto others, what you do not want them to do unto you".

bagaimana di bahasa Indonesia atau bahasa malayu, tak tahulah.-
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:):cheers:-

:banana::banana::banana: :lol::lol::lol:

:banana::banana::banana: :lol::lol::lol:

What is Dancing Banana represent ?

:banana::banana::banana: :lol::lol::lol:

climax? :lol: happy? you are very rich, you live in first world country, you earn billions of dollars, happy? hahahaha.

you drive porsche? i repeat billions of US dollars...not Sing. orgasmic? hahahaha

Why this thread is full of south east asia countries information . How about the rest of asia country ?:bash:

I salute the people from singapore, malaysia and thailand who are down to earth but u check stupid pinoys attitude..as if they are the richest and their cities is the best...and for sure god wrath has always hit the poor but stupid people like pinoys and their people died like dog..pinoys will remain stupid and arrogant ever forever..thats for sure...:banana::banana::banana::banana:

say whatever stupid pinoys..i am smiling here..like this :lol::lol::lol: and dancing like this :banana::banana::banana:

Why this thread is full of south east asia countries information . How about the rest of asia country ?:bash:

Have you noticed? I don't take seriously the illusions created by your fellow Malaysian forumer/-s--------------------. I believe that nobody has the right to put down another citizen. Nobody can say how poor he/she is unless that person really has billions, porsche, bmw, huge businesses.

This is a forum, so if your fellow would start cursing, or telling those unsavory remarks, then it's going to be hell and animosity. But for me, I know where we stand and surely, I know Malaysia's stand in the world also.

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say whatever stupid pinoys..i am smiling here..like this :lol::lol::lol: and dancing like this :banana::banana::banana:

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-h---i -z---a--h-irey -- - -----z--a---h-ir-y-ey -----hel-lo ---z--ahirey-----------

I salute the people from singapore, malaysia and thailand who are down to earth but u check stupid pinoys attitude..as if they are the richest and their cities is the best...and for sure god wrath has always hit the poor but stupid people like pinoys and their people died like dog..pinoys will remain stupid and arrogant ever forever..thats for sure...:banana::banana::banana::banana:

:puke:

Have you noticed? I don't take seriously the illusions created by your fellow Malaysian forumer/-s--------------------. I believe that nobody has the right to put down another citizen. Nobody can say how poor he/she is unless that person really has billions, porsche, bmw, huge businesses.

This is a forum, so if your fellow would start cursing, or telling those unsavory remarks, then it's going to be hell and animosity. But for me, I know where we stand and surely, I know Malaysia's stand in the world also.

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Ya.... now I am very boring to see some south east asia forumer come here to compare and never learn each other but I cannot see the rest of asia forumer like Japan , China and Hong Kong etc come this thread to share with us about how developed to their country .:bash:

I salute the people from singapore, malaysia and thailand who are down to earth but u check stupid pinoys attitude..as if they are the richest and their cities is the best...and for sure god wrath has always hit the poor but stupid people like pinoys and their people died like dog..pinoys will remain stupid and arrogant ever forever..thats for sure...:banana::banana::banana::banana:



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No brain , mod plese close this thread now.............

Malaysia flags is nothing to do with me...:lol::lol::lol::banana::banana::banana:stupid pinoys...:lol::lol:

stupid pinoys will always remain stupid ever forever :lol::lol::lol::banana::banana::banana:

I'm Indonesian

Nothing to do with indonesian..its your business to hate malaysian..nothing to do with me :banana: :banana: :banana:

I will rank the SEA Country with my own category and my own opinion. But my opinion will based on reliable source. Not blindly ranked like some of us did.

Rank according the well developed country.
1. Singapore
(Singapore is well developed because the small land and it's location, below Malaysia and cetrelized location in South East Asian region. Singapore and Malaysia are bonded together and needing each other although saperated in 1965 because of racial sentiment between Malays and the Chinese. Hope they will maintain the good bond together because they need each other. In my opinion, if Singapore and Malaysia are still as one together with Sarawak, Brunei, and North borneo (Sabah), It is a developed nation already, same level with France, and UK. I wish that Malaysia and Singapore are still together and together with Brunei.)

2. Malaysia
(Malaysia don't have enough population! The estimated goal of population for Malaysia in 2020 according to Wawasan 2020 (Vision 2020 introduced by Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad- Former Prime Minister of Malaysia.) is 70,000,000. But now only 27,000,000 est. Just imagine, Malaysia need to produce 43,000,000 more babies in 11 years period! lol! Despite that, Malaysia is much2 developed than other cities in SEA, in the educational aspect, physical aspect. But Malaysia still need to improve themself in Transportation aspect and the government's politics party because some Politic entity are still immature and of course, Squatters!. In KL, There are still squatters and They need to do something about it.)
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(The country below can't be compare to above country because of some certain reasons and of course, the developement is wayyyyyyyy ahead of the above country.)

3. Philippines.
(Philipphines are much like Thiland. 2009 estimated census:91,983,000. Now compare it to Malaysia with the population. Way overpopulated than Malaysia. The developement is quite okay but still need to do something about pooverty, overpopulation in the cities and the Squatters of course! In term of public transportation and public services like education, they need to do something because of the big population.)

4. Thailand
(Thailand have soo much to fix, especially poverty rate and the population is 60,606,947. Compare it with the developement in the urban area with outside the urban area. Squatters??? Don't have to mention! Bangkok is a dirty city in every aspect. (No offence.))

5. Brunei
(Because there is not much real developement there because of the population is not enough and the Sultan don't do much in the developement. Census 2009 estimated 400,000 only! How to develope lah??? Like i said, If only Brunei are in Malaysia. Fuh!)

6. Indonesia.
Census 2009 estimate 229,965,000! 3rd biggest population in the World! Compare to the developement in the city and the rural area. Even the road in Indonesia is not good. Plus, the Citizen of Indonesia, their racial sentiment really push them backwards. Media in Indonesia really sucks because they have the freedome to say anything about others! Transportation??? Education??? What more???? Some of them don't go to school and that will lead to racist! Indonesian are the most racist people in the world. They even kill other race in their own country!

7. Myanmar (Burma), Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos.
These 4 country are the least developed in SEA. But, Vietnam is otw to surpass Indonesia and i believe, Vietnam will be much2 developed in the future despite of the Vietnam War and more developed than Indonesia.

Myanmar still have to do something about the government.

Cambodia... Small population. But i believe that cambodia will catch up.
And Laos, Too small in term of population and they don't have beach!! How la???? Hard to develope Laos lah! To be well developed, i think Laos have to combine with Vietnam, and Cambodia. If the 3 country are together, another Tiger of Asia will emerge because the population will be optimised.


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Next time, if you want to rank countries, lots of aspect have to be considered in order to really rank the countries.

I'm Indonesian

You all see??? Am i right????

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Least Developed Countries map (Lastest Version)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_Developed_Countries

Oh well! I am vietnamese!:lol:

ronnie and other Filipino here just ignore eliza, badlisyah or any new forumer here that try to make tension and provocation between us...they not represent malaysian forumer athough their name sound like malaysian but they actually never been at malaysia scc..they just come here to make provocation and try to make other forumer hate malaysian....

ronnie and other Filipino here just ignore eliza, badlisyah or any new forumer here that try to make tension and provocation between us...they not represent malaysian forumer athough their name sound like malaysian but they actually never been at malaysia scc..they just come here to make provocation and try to make other forumer hate malaysian....


Ya..... those forumer as arepull87 mention that they never been Malaysian forum , we should tell mod to close this thread . Otherwise , it will getting worst .

to mod

please :lock::lock::lock::lock:

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Okay, your my reply to your question, it is call as Lembah Klang (Klang Valley). It is a combination of Shah Alam, Petaling Jaya, Kuala Lumpur, Putrajaya, and others.

nice info....

ronnie and other Filipino here just ignore eliza, badlisyah or any new forumer here that try to make tension and provocation between us...they not represent malaysian forumer athough their name sound like malaysian but they actually never been at malaysia scc..they just come here to make provocation and try to make other forumer hate malaysian....

Except for elliza, he/she posted in plaza rakyat - Malaysian thread. badlisyah had a slur comment against the Indonesians, too.

Anyway, I know they don't represent the Malaysians here in SSC.

Philippines has never experienced racial riots - hopefully forever. Yes, we have problems about poverty and terrorism (Abu Sayaf) in the south but racial riots - none. Why I'm emphasizing this? Because the Chinese here are well assimilated to Philppine culture as well as the other minorities, and most importantly, 90% share the same religion (Catholics and Protestants). I think it plays a great role, too. We don't say those "bad words" that can provoke riots among our people. :)

thank god pinoys have down to earth and know how poor their country are..ask them to frequent to church and repent for their arrogant and stupidity...stupid pinoys will remain stupid ever forever....

thank god pinoys have down to earth and know how poor their country are..ask them to frequent to church and repent for their arrogant and stupidity...stupid pinoys will remain stupid ever forever....

Bless you zahirey, aka elliza. :)

STOP!!! :bash::bash::bash:

i think we should avoid posting topic like this
ASEAN will have much more bright future, if we support each other rather than try to compete and look down on each other

The problem there isn't the competition. It's the chauvinism. Yes, it's the chauvinism that pulls countries (and people) down to desperate means of demeaning and demoralizing their competition. We're lucky enough to not be chauvinists, and to be able to deal with people like those who love insulting us. I guess we're lucky to have gone through so much in the last 400 years, since it helps us cope with all the heckling and hurling the world, and particularly chauvinists like you, have thrown (or will throw) at us.

So yeah, elliza and everyone else like him/her, BRING IT ON. If 80 million Filipinos were to repent in churches (the remaining 10 million doing so in mosques, temples and the like), I bet every deity from every religion we Filipinos pray to (God, Allah, Bathala, Buddha, Hindu gods and goddesses, you name it) will be more than happy to condemn you to the lowest, most fiery depths of hell.

(Note, I'm normally not that sarcastic. As long as I'm not provoked, I'm super-duper nice! :D)

But anyway, going back: the definition of "rich" is a very subjective term. Different cities in Asia may not be on the same scale of material wealth, but at least we're all wealthy in our own special ways. If only the term "rich" didn't always have to imply money or material possessions. :ohno:

Thank you for reading my first post at the Asian forums. Woohoo! :lol:

This thread is getting lame.

I think to most citizens of the world,

Malaysia + Thailand + Philippines + Indonesia + Vietnam

are in the SAME category called = DEVELOPING COUNTRY (economy) / EMERGING MARKETS (financial). There's really nothing to debate who amongst those countries are better because they all have poverty, political problems, social problems, 3rd world mentality and very high corruption. :)

Now, can anyone tell me the top 10 richest cities in OTHER parts of Asia?????

^^ agree

Eliza is really depressing...

she turned a sensible topic to this riot.
if i was a mod i'd ban her IP address forever

Pinoys still fight to change the fact..just because they cannot accept that thier country is a poor country...what else i can say...but the fact is the fact and pinoys will remain stupids forever no wonder why they never develop as a nation..ha ha ha true poor people mentality...im no doubt about it..

^^ i don't think Pinoys deny that the Philippines is a poor country.

P.S.
Your grammar is stupid. Study more.

This thread is getting lame.

I think to most citizens of the world,

Malaysia + Thailand + Philippines + Indonesia + Vietnam

are in the SAME category called = DEVELOPING COUNTRY (economy) / EMERGING MARKETS (financial). There's really nothing to debate who amongst those countries are better because they all have poverty, political problems, social problems, 3rd world mentality and very high corruption. :)

Now, can anyone tell me the top 10 richest cities in OTHER parts of Asia?????

I agree on the most parts, but what the hell is 3rd world mentality? I never heard of it before. You have to make it clear. I am kind off confused now. Sorry. lol

I don't like these topics that only talk about Southeast Asia. Southeast Asia is just a geographical term. There is actually nothing which connects all that countries culturally, linguistically etc. . True fact.

However, things get ridiculous here. Everyone should know which country is richer or poorer than the other one so this topic needs to be closed.

I will rank the SEA Country with my own category and my own opinion. But my opinion will based on reliable source. Not blindly ranked like some of us did.



6. Indonesia.
Census 2009 estimate 229,965,000! 3rd biggest population in the World! Compare to the developement in the city and the rural area. Even the road in Indonesia is not good. Plus, the Citizen of Indonesia, their racial sentiment really push them backwards. Media in Indonesia really sucks because they have the freedome to say anything about others! Transportation??? Education??? What more???? Some of them don't go to school and that will lead to racist! Indonesian are the most racist people in the world. They even kill other race in their own country!





Hahahaha, Indonesian being racist...? to whom...? their own fellow Indonesian...? I wonder what you called your bumiputra's policy and oppressing the Chinese and Indian.... you even have race column in McD's bill, if you are malay than no tax for you or if you are chinese or indian than dude you've got to pay the taxes...what a crap...

What about our education system...? bad..? than why every year your malay students flocking to my country to study medicine, there are even 360 students in Padang alone that need to be evacuated during the earthquake, not to mention in other big cities...

dude you are being delusional....

The problem there isn't the competition. It's the chauvinism. Yes, it's the chauvinism that pulls countries (and people) down to desperate means of demeaning and demoralizing their competition. We're lucky enough to not be chauvinists, and to be able to deal with people like those who love insulting us. I guess we're lucky to have gone through so much in the last 400 years, since it helps us cope with all the heckling and hurling the world, and particularly chauvinists like you, have thrown (or will throw) at us.

So yeah, elliza and everyone else like him/her, BRING IT ON. If 80 million Filipinos were to repent in churches (the remaining 10 million doing so in mosques, temples and the like), I bet every deity from every religion we Filipinos pray to (God, Allah, Bathala, Buddha, Hindu gods and goddesses, you name it) will be more than happy to condemn you to the lowest, most fiery depths of hell.

(Note, I'm normally not that sarcastic. As long as I'm not provoked, I'm super-duper nice! :D)

But anyway, going back: the definition of "rich" is a very subjective term. Different cities in Asia may not be on the same scale of material wealth, but at least we're all wealthy in our own special ways. If only the term "rich" didn't always have to imply money or material possessions. :ohno:

Thank you for reading my first post at the Asian forums. Woohoo! :lol:

Well said, :) Now, I appreciate more our colonial history.

This thread is getting lame.

I think to most citizens of the world,

Malaysia + Thailand + Philippines + Indonesia + Vietnam

are in the SAME category called = DEVELOPING COUNTRY (economy) / EMERGING MARKETS (financial). There's really nothing to debate who amongst those countries are better because they all have poverty, political problems, social problems, 3rd world mentality and very high corruption. :)

Now, can anyone tell me the top 10 richest cities in OTHER parts of Asia?????

For the educated ones like us, yes, this is the fact. In today's world, the economists and financial institutions classify the countries as developed, developing and least developed, or Upper, Middle, Lower Middle or Poor.

Eliza is really depressing...

she turned a sensible topic to this riot.
if i was a mod i'd ban her IP address forever

I don't know who are the moderators for Asian Forum.

Anyway, poor countries are classified by WB, IMF, financial institutions that have GDP per Capita of less than US$1,000. PHilippines, as a fact, has higher GDP per capita, $2,000. It is a NIC, developing economy and emerging market.

Pinoys still fight to change the fact..just because they cannot accept that thier country is a poor country...what else i can say...but the fact is the fact and pinoys will remain stupids forever no wonder why they never develop as a nation..ha ha ha true poor people mentality...im no doubt about it..

Who's talking? tralalalala.... we know that you are the one who is poor and look stupid to all Asians here in this forum. Zahirey aka elliza, your response is predictable.

I don't know who are the moderators for Asian Forum.



The moderator are CHAD , Balqier and drwho . Don't worry I already complaint to moderator to close this thread . Too sad , they never online . :bash:

Riyadh & Islamabad are also not lacking behind...........

The moderator are CHAD , Balqier and drwho . Don't worry I already complaint to moderator to close this forum . Too sad , they never online . :bash:

Terima kasih Johson. :)

^^Welcome .

Terima kasih Johson. :)

ronnie have u learn malay-indo language before?..i found some of your post using malay word..:)

Im more interested with purchasing power per-capita figures to judge whether a city is rich or not.

I will rank the SEA Country with my own category and my own opinion. But my opinion will based on reliable source. Not blindly ranked like some of us did.

Rank according the well developed country.


6. Indonesia.
Census 2009 estimate 229,965,000! 3rd biggest population in the World! Compare to the developement in the city and the rural area. Even the road in Indonesia is not good. Plus, the Citizen of Indonesia, their racial sentiment really push them backwards. Media in Indonesia really sucks because they have the freedome to say anything about others! Transportation??? Education??? What more???? Some of them don't go to school and that will lead to racist! Indonesian are the most racist people in the world. They even kill other race in their own country!

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Next time, if you want to rank countries, lots of aspect have to be considered in order to really rank the countries.

You all see??? Am i right????

I don't understand why Indonesia and the Philippines always become the target of some "sick" Malaysian forumers.. Because you are richer?? Not brave enough to confront with Singaporeans as you are poorer than them??

To Quiroz pls use ur brain before make any pathetic SUBJECTIVE statements like what u've posted above..

After created a "war" with Indonesians, then Filipinos, then Indonesians again. I'm waiting for the time they bash Thai forumers now... I know, it's not all Malaysian forumers who act like this (many of them are kind), but some of them are really really disgusting! :bash::bash:

im not sure are they malaysian or just pretend to be a malaysian..i think mod should check the ip address of this person..some of them never been at malaysia scc...and just now they come here and try to make provocation...

Someone, please review about Viet Nam!

ronnie have u learn malay-indo language before?..i found some of your post using malay word..:)

I lived in SG and JKT for so many years. :)

im not sure are they malaysian or just pretend to be a malaysian..i think mod should check the ip address of this person..some of them never been at malaysia scc...and just now they come here and try to make provocation...

Well, you can't blame the Filipinos and Indonesians of suspecting that badlisyah, elliza and zahirey could be one or two persons and they are Malaysians. First, elliza commented in SSC Malaysian forum about Plaza Rakyat - Plaza UMNO. Nobody cares about UMNO except the Malaysian since UMNO is the largest political party of your country. Second, the animosity between INdonesia and Malaysia is prevalent in SSC, media, etc.

Third, Malaysia has issues about the Philippines but fyi, we never talk about the terrorists from Malaysia who trained our Abu Sayaf and MILF in Mindanao. Also, our media never report nor discuss (not yet) the Sabah issue since our government is silent on this. God forbids if a new brave President would talk about Sabah claim - you know our media here is very free and they attack like wolves. The Muslim Filipinos in the South are also waiting for the right time but I want PEACE.

^^Ronnier , please don't talk about the Sabah issues here . You must be responsible. You will hurt many Malaysian s forummers here . So far my country media never report the Sabah issue for a long time . Since you don't know that forumers as you mention about their nationality please don't guess they are Malaysian . You should check from moderator where they come from . You statement will hurt all Malaysian include me .

im not sure are they malaysian or just pretend to be a malaysian..i think mod should check the ip address of this person..some of them never been at malaysia scc...and just now they come here and try to make provocation...

May be they or he/she are Malaysian except for macpro2.... we can check based on their post in their profile. Whatever it is, they only deface our image and make situation became worst and worst

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I lived in SG and JKT for so many years. :)



Well, you can't blame the Filipinos and Indonesians of suspecting that badlisyah, elliza and zahirey could be one or two persons and they are Malaysians. First, elliza commented in SSC Malaysian forum about Plaza Rakyat - Plaza UMNO. Nobody cares about UMNO except the Malaysian since UMNO is the largest political party of your country. Second, the animosity between INdonesia and Malaysia is prevalent in SSC, media, etc.

Third, Malaysia has issues about the Philippines but fyi, we never talk about the terrorists from Malaysia who trained our Abu Sayaf and MILF in Mindanao. Also, our media never report nor discuss (not yet) the Sabah issue since our government is silent on this. God forbids if a new brave President would talk about Sabah claim - you know our media here is very free and they attack like wolves. The Muslim Filipinos in the South are also waiting for the right time but I want PEACE.

I would like to announce here that PINOYS are stupid and their country is POOR :banana::banana::banana::banana: :lol::lol::lol: stupid pinoys will remain stupid ever forever :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Stupid pinoys from a poor country...nite folks...

May be they or he/she are Malaysian except for macpro2.... we can check based on their post in their profile. Whatever it is, they only deface our image and make situation became worst and worst


You are another one to guess where a forummer came from . You should check from moderator to know their identity and where they came from . I think moderator know them .

the mods are in a deep slumber.. you have to kiss them to wake up.

You are another one to guess where a forummer came from . You should check from moderator to know their identity and where they came from . I think moderator know them .

The problem is: the moderators are inactive. My guess is elliza is a Malaysian because he commented on UMNO. elliza and zahirey are just one. The pattern on the way he/she writes is consistent. zahirey before lambasted the Indonesians, the use of words like stupid and poor over and over again. hehehehe.

I believe he/she is crazy or mentally ill.

Ranking of wealth and poor countries in SEA :
1 League : Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand
2 League : Vietnam and Indonesia
3 League : Philippine, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar



i don't think that Thailand should be classified in same group with SG and Malaysia. I think we still are far behind these countries.
Instead, thailand should be in the same group with Indonesia, Vietnam and Philipines.

Moderator , please close this thread now . You should not in a deep slumber , wake up and take this serious . Thank you .

^^Ronnier , please don't talk about the Sabah issues here . You must be responsible. You will hurt many Malaysian s forummers here . So far my country media never report the Sabah issue for a long time . Since you don't know that forumers as you mention about their nationality please don't guess they are Malaysian . You should check from moderator where they come from . You statement will hurt all Malaysian include me .

I'm sorry if I offended you on Sabah issue.....I don't want to talk about it, too. It's too sensitive. Even our government does not talk about it for a long time.

The best way is for our collective efforts to "flush out" those trolls like elliza , zahirey with your help, as a Malaysian.
:) Peace

Why not just banned elliza or zahirey and others who kept on provoking?

Anyway I think Shanghai and Beijing is very rich now. I'm amazed of the luxury things seen too common nowadays in those cities. Just look at the boutiques, cars, buildings... it's very different many years ago.

The only thing I can say is. Us South East Asians should work hard, prosper and make our cities rich :)

Finally....there is an order in the house.

eliza was banned?..haha that was a good news...we don't need forumer like him/her in this thread...

China Q3 Foreign Exchange Reserves Increase
10/14/2009 9:06 AM ET
China's foreign exchange reserves accelerated to a new record high in the third quarter,
People's Bank of China said on Wednesday.
Foreign exchange reserves amounted to US$ 2.73 trillion in the third quarter.

In the second quarter, foreign exchange reserves were US$ 178 billion, the central bank said.
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/AsianEconomicNews.aspx?Node=B2





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It's a good thing the trolls are gone!
I just hope the mods will be ready to put them in their proper place on their next reincarnation!

Hahahaha, Indonesian being racist...? to whom...? their own fellow Indonesian...? I wonder what you called your bumiputra's policy and oppressing the Chinese and Indian.... you even have race column in McD's bill, if you are malay than no tax for you or if you are chinese or indian than dude you've got to pay the taxes...what a crap...

What about our education system...? bad..? than why every year your malay students flocking to my country to study medicine, there are even 360 students in Padang alone that need to be evacuated during the earthquake, not to mention in other big cities...

dude you are being delusional....

Is it me or you being delusional... Its not me who are being Banned for such provocative statement....

Poor thread . MOD plz lock it.

I don't understand why Indonesia and the Philippines always become the target of some "sick" Malaysian forumers.. Because you are richer?? Not brave enough to confront with Singaporeans as you are poorer than them??

To Quiroz pls use ur brain before make any pathetic SUBJECTIVE statements like what u've posted above..

After created a "war" with Indonesians, then Filipinos, then Indonesians again. I'm waiting for the time they bash Thai forumers now... I know, it's not all Malaysian forumers who act like this (many of them are kind), but some of them are really really disgusting! :bash::bash:

I was not trying to create war, but that is the fact! I wrote everything based of fact. Not blindly just type. Me being disgusting??? I didn't post any picture with a burned 'Jalur Gemilang'. But some Indonesian forumers did. Who are becoming more disgusting now???

I was not trying to create war, but that is the fact! I wrote everything based of fact. Not blindly just type. Me being disgusting??? I didn't post any picture with a burned 'Jalur Gemilang'. But some Indonesian forumers did. Who are becoming more disgusting now???

Fact?? You mentioned Indonesian medias are bad, provocative, etc etc, that's because you live in Malaysia which has suffered with never experiencing FREEDOM OF SPEECH for a long long time. If you ask to Filipino, European, or US forumers, it's just an ordinary issue for them, nothing special. If you don't like it, just ignore 'em then...
If you said something bad about other countries in public forum like this, directly or indirectly you're trying to create a war, or at least debate with other people.

I never said that YOU are the disgusting one, it's just your feeling... Many malaysian forumers are far more disgusting actually, just to mention a few: Zahirrey, Elliza, etc, who always say rude and insulting words about Indonesia and the Philippines. Just check their posts, read what they've posted about Indonesia (babi, indon, maid, poor, etc etc) and the Philippines (poor, etc etc), and you'll understand how disgusting your compatriots are!! :bash:

If there are so many confrontations among SE Asian forumers and Malaysia always involved in there (against Indonesians and Filipinos in so many topics, against Singaporeans about food claim), then it must be something wrong with your compatriots (mostly the same persons) posts!

==dp==

Fact?? You mentioned Indonesian medias are bad, provocative, etc etc, that's because you live in Malaysia which has suffered with never experiencing FREEDOM OF SPEECH for a long long time. If you ask to Filipino, European, or US forumers, it's just an ordinary issue for them, nothing special. If you don't like it, just ignore 'em then...
If you said something bad about other countries in public forum like this, directly or indirectly you're trying to create a war, or at least debate with other people.

I never said that YOU are the disgusting one, it's just your feeling... Many malaysian forumers are far more disgusting actually, just to mention a few: Zahirrey, Elliza, etc, who always say rude and insulting words about Indonesia and the Philippines. Just check their posts, read what they've posted about Indonesia (babi, indon, maid, poor, etc etc) and the Philippines (poor, etc etc), and you'll understand how disgusting your compatriots are!! :bash:

If there are so many confrontations among SE Asian forumers and Malaysia always involved in there (against Indonesians and Filipinos in so many topics, against Singaporeans about food claim), then it must be something wrong with your compatriots (mostly the same persons) posts!

Racist. you are being racist now..... I m not.... I treat everyone equally here. I m Quiroz, not Zahirrey or elliza or anyone who you think like that. I didn't use the word 'disgusting' to describe a nation. I use racist. Don't you think that you are being racist now. And plus, Malaysian didn't burn any country's flag. But Indonesian did. Are you still denying the fact???

Fact: Malaysian are good People! It is because other people like K141 being racist.

Yes, Indonesian medias are bad. You look at your own country. Your country are still behind other country because your government can't do anything much to the media in your country. Am i right? If Our government don't control our media, do you think that the Indian riot in Malaysia, last year i think, will stop??? Think again!! Fact, The freedom of speech really devastating our world nowadays. I don't support the freedom of speech.

So, if you really support the freedome of speech, why must you blame me for saying what i can say. But, what i said are based on facts!

I didn't say anything bad about pinoy??? That is because Pinoys are not as racist as Indonesian!

This thread is becoming really lame day by day. so, better we stop polluting this thread.

guys please stop all this nonsense!...mod lock this thread...

Double post .

Racist. you are being racist now..... I m not.... I treat everyone equally here. I m Quiroz, not Zahirrey or elliza or anyone who you think like that. I didn't use the word 'disgusting' to describe a nation. I use racist. Don't you think that you are being racist now. And plus, Malaysian didn't burn any country's flag. But Indonesian did. Are you still denying the fact???

Fact: Malaysian are good People! It is because other people like K141 being racist.

Yes, Indonesian medias are bad. You look at your own country. Your country are still behind other country because your government can't do anything much to the media in your country. Am i right? If Our government don't control our media, do you think that the Indian riot in Malaysia, last year i think, will stop??? Think again!! Fact, The freedom of speech really devastating our world nowadays. I don't support the freedom of speech.

So, if you really support the freedome of speech, why must you blame me for saying what i can say. But, what i said are based on facts!

I didn't say anything bad about pinoy??? That is because Pinoys are not as racist as Indonesian!

This thread is becoming really lame day by day. so, better we stop polluting this thread.

Quiroz , u statement look immature . Please stop it .

Those who do not learn from the past
are doomed to repeat it.:ohno:

One Thread down again and again and again.. :nuts:
:goodnight

this thread is a good conversation at the beginning but then when somebody make a stupid comment here...they change the whether here...

If we are really good, we don't have to mention it to other people....they will know themselves. What's the point when we said our country is good, other country is bad and our people is good, other people is bad... it only deface our image and show that we are really in 3rd class mentality

Hey, i stopped myself from :blahblah:already what???? and of course i m still immature. I turned 20 just last month.:cheers: the one who is marah2 me the one who gaduh2 with me yang immature, our senior from the land of Garuda.:ancient: Supposely he tegur2 me, not :bash: me... i m just :storm: myself.... so, now, i haave to become like an :angel1: and i love making friends... and i know we must :grouphug: together. Not :bash: eachother...:ohno: and i m sorry for being emotional.:tyty: Malaysia :nocrook:

^^ Haha... i like when he use that characters. very creative and for me..what he just said make sense... (my opinion on defense himself).. sekian. full stop :)

:okay::tyty::kiss:^^ Haha... i like when he use that characters. very creative and for me..what he just said make sense... (my opinion on defense himself).. sekian. full stop :)

:okay::tyty: Tqtqtq:kiss:

If we are really good, we don't have to mention it to other people....they will know themselves. What's the point when we said our country is good, other country is bad and our people is good, other people is bad... it only deface our image and show that we are really in 3rd class mentality

I agree with you. In fact, a number of Philippine forumers travel abroad and some are based overseas so we know the situation of our country and others as well. We don't have to state the obvious. I appreciate the development of other countries esp. my neighbors.

For me, the most important thing is: to improve the lives of Filipinos - it is also our dream to be a developed country as envisioned by our President but the question is when?? I don't know hehehe.

come on guys!
Imagine when others (all around the world except SEA region) forumers read the thread.
They would say;
"They are still kids after all. . . .no wonder their country is still behind compare with us"

Be mature one.
And please dont ever create any CVC thread after this.

Cheers and keep on working for the country

del

Please debate maturedly using facts and figures (if possible quote reliable sources), and NOT following emotions and sentiments. OK case closed.

Hey, i stopped myself from :blahblah:already what???? and of course i m still immature. I turned 20 just last month.:cheers: the one who is marah2 me the one who gaduh2 with me yang immature, our senior from the land of Garuda.:ancient: Supposely he tegur2 me, not :bash: me... i m just :storm: myself.... so, now, i haave to become like an :angel1: and i love making friends... and i know we must :grouphug: together. Not :bash: eachother...:ohno: and i m sorry for being emotional.:tyty: Malaysia :nocrook:


Dude, Im 19,. and i must say maturity doesn't necessarily come with age.As we all see, we came from different countries with quite different cultural norms from each other that's why we have various definitions for "sensitivity", if you know what I mean. So try to be more careful to what you're saying:)

And if you can, could you please make those trolls stop? Cause weather you like it or not, they're dragging the reputation of Malaysia's diplomacy in this predicament. if you're not going to address these dumb-asses(sorry for the term,) ASAP, I will not be surprised if the rest the ASEAN will abhor your lot from head to toe/:ohno:

May be they or he/she are Malaysian except for macpro2.... we can check based on their post in their profile. Whatever it is, they only deface our image and make situation became worst and worst

It's obvious enough that someone has been trying to tarnish Malaysia's image in the SSC by creating multiple accounts and then go on word wars with forumers from other SEA countries... You can see how true-blue Malaysian forumers here try to reconcile the tensions created by the troll(s). Forumers are human beings too, so we do get emo sometimes (well I just happened to fall into that trap not long ago), but we should all try to discuss topics in a mature manner for our betterment together :)

Let's be watchful so this troll has no where to hide... :)

:ohno:

peace!

Racist. you are being racist now..... I m not.... I treat everyone equally here. I m Quiroz, not Zahirrey or elliza or anyone who you think like that. I didn't use the word 'disgusting' to describe a nation. I use racist. Don't you think that you are being racist now. And plus, Malaysian didn't burn any country's flag. But Indonesian did. Are you still denying the fact???

Fact: Malaysian are good People! It is because other people like K141 being racist.

Yes, Indonesian medias are bad. You look at your own country. Your country are still behind other country because your government can't do anything much to the media in your country. Am i right? If Our government don't control our media, do you think that the Indian riot in Malaysia, last year i think, will stop??? Think again!! Fact, The freedom of speech really devastating our world nowadays. I don't support the freedom of speech.

So, if you really support the freedome of speech, why must you blame me for saying what i can say. But, what i said are based on facts!

I didn't say anything bad about pinoy??? That is because Pinoys are not as racist as Indonesian!

This thread is becoming really lame day by day. so, better we stop polluting this thread.

Please...do yourself a favour, stop embarrassing yourself. Use that brain of yours before posting here; not only you're shaming yourself, but also your other fellow countrymen.

The reason why the Indian riot occured was obviously because of the long and well-known discriminative "bumiputra" policy your govt implemented...not because of excess freedom of speech. That policy is like a time-bomb waiting to explode.

I'm starting to lose confidence in your intelligence ...are you seriously condoning that policy your govt is implementing? Because your tone says so.

And I love it how you "stereotype" all Indonesians as being racist, while you condone the racist Bumiputra policy your govt implements. Look at yourself in the mirror before you judge others.

You're a shame to Asians and all humanity.

does Malaysia really have that RACIAL POLICY??

if it is true
honestly, I find it very disappointing... :(

^^ Yes, Malaysia does have such race-based policy which alot of us don't find it relevant anymore in today's context... yet the Federal government choose to justify their acts by telling the "bumiputra" how they are way behind other races economically etc etc (a divide-and-rule in disguise if you ask me) thus the need to have such policies in place (privilege given to a particular race which happens to be the majority)... It's a shame, really.

^^ Yes, Malaysia does have such race-based policy which alot of us don't find it relevant anymore in today's context... yet the Federal government choose to justify their acts by telling the "bumiputra" how they are way behind other races economically etc etc (a divide-and-rule in disguise if you ask me) thus the need to have such policies in place (privilege given to a particular race which happens to be the majority)... It's a shame, really.

Which race is superior then?
So sad....

^^ In actual fact, no race is supposed to be more superior than the other.

The term "Bumiputra" is widely used in Malaysia and by the federal government to differentiate Malays & the non-Malays. Many Malays who still rely on the government in every aspect of life would argue that this is a "social pact" between the different races in Malaya during the Independence - that, Malay race would be given special privileges and the non-Malays in Malaya during that time would be granted Malayan citizenship. This policy might be relevant during that era, given that there were so much distrust between the different races all thanks to the infamous British's divide-and-rule system (each race is assigned to respective industries or professions only and cannot do other jobs).

From wikipedia:
The concept of a bumiputra ethnic group in Malaysia was coined by activist Tunku Abdul Rahman. It recognized the "special position" of the Malays provided in the Federal Constitution of Malaysia, in particular Article 153. But, the constitution does not use the term "bumiputra"; it defines only "Malay" and "aborigine" (Article 160(2)),[1] "natives" of Sarawak (161A(6)(a)),[2] and "natives" of Sabah (Article 161A(6)(b)).[2] Definitions of bumiputra in public use vary among different institutions, organizations, and government departments and agencies.

Singapore, who joined Malaysia in 1963 together with Sabah & Sarawak was kicked out of the Federation 2 years later for voicing out openly against the bumiputra policy (Lee Kuan Yew and his infamous quote "Malaysian Malaysia" - a Malaysia for all Malaysians, not just the Malays).

After the racial riot in 1969, the UMNO (Malay-based party)-led government decided to assert the policy broadly, including the infamous New Economic Policy -

From wikipedia:
In the 1970s the government implemented economic policies designed to favour bumiputras (including affirmative action in public education) to create opportunities, and to defuse inter-ethnic tensions following the extended violence against Chinese Malayasians in the May 13 Incident in 1969. These policies have succeeded in creating a significant urban Malay middle class. They have been less effective in eradicating poverty among rural communities. Some analysts have noted a backlash of resentment from excluded groups, in particular the sizable Indigenous Non-Muslim Malays Orang Asli, Chinese and Indian Malaysian minorities.

Examples of such policies include:

Companies listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange (Bursa Saham Kuala Lumpur) must have 30% bumiputra ownership of equity to satisfy listing requirements. Foreign companies that operate in Malaysia also must adhere to this requirement.

For a limited period, a certain percentage of new housing in any development has to be sold to bumiputra owners. Housing developers are required to provide a minimum 7% discount to bumiputra buyers of these lots. This is required regardless of the income level of the potential buyer. Remaining unsold houses after a given time period are allowed to be sold to non-bumi if the developer proves attempts have been made to fulfill the requirement. There is no bumiputra discount on existing housing.

A basket of government-run (and profit-guaranteed) mutual funds are available for purchase by bumiputra buyers only. The Amanah Saham Nasional (ASN) has return rates approximately 3 to 5 times that of local commercial banks.

Many government-tendered projects require that companies submitting tenders be bumiputra owned. This requirement has led to non-bumiputras teaming up with bumiputra companies to obtain projects, in a practice known as "Ali Baba". Ali, the bumiputra, is included solely to satisfy this requirement, and Baba (the non-bumiputra) pays Ali a certain sum in exchange.

Projects were earmarked for Malay contractors to enable them to gain expertise in various fields.
Approved Permits (APs) for automobiles preferentially allow bumiputra to import vehicles. Automotive companies wishing to bring in cars need to have an AP to do so. APs were originally created to allow bumiputra participation in the automotive industry, since they were issued to companies with at least 70% bumiputra ownership. In 2004, The Edge (a business newspaper) estimated that APs were worth approximately RM 35,000 each. They also estimated that the late Nasimuddin Amin, the former chairman of the Naza group, received 6,387 in 2003, making him the largest single recipient of APs. More than 12,200 APs were issued in 2003. In addition to APs, foreign car marquees are required to pay between 140% to 300% import duty.

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Of course, some of these policies have either been abolished or amended by the current administration under PM Najib Razak (interestingly, it was his late-father, the former PM Abdul Razak Hussein who launched the NEP, and later used widely by another former PM Mahathir Mohammad). The changes came in the light that the current BN government (Barisan Nasional, with their race-based component parties and policies) no longer gain majority support in the country, which was evident during the last General Election in 2008, where opposition parties gained administrative power in 5 states, including economic powerhouses such as Selangor & Penang. Many Malays now realise that they should do away with such biased policies and start competing with other races on a level playing field in order for them to progress, thus there was a huge vote swing towards the opposition alliance (Pakatan Rakyat, led by Anwar Ibrahim) during the political tsunami. One of PR's political statement was to abolish the NEP/ Bumiputra policies.

There are still many Malays who feel that such policies need to be in place to protect their interests against other races in Malaysia - and this had been propagated by the BN government to remind Malays to be grateful to what BN government had done for them. However, Najib is swift to make changes to the policies set by his late-father. Certain NEP knots had been untied to the free market. There were much frictions within the Malaysian society (hence the Indian riots etc) a few years ago. Now Malaysians want a change - and I guess the governments (both BN & PR) have to take heed or else say "bye-bye" in the next General Election.

You can read more about Malaysia's Bumiputra policy here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumiputera_(Malaysia)

does Malaysia really have that RACIAL POLICY??

if it is true
honestly, I find it very disappointing... :(

Yes. It was implemented more than 40 years ago and is fully enforced until today with concensus from all the race/geographical-based parties (coalition) in the ruling govt.

1. 65% of population = Malays + 35 other aboriginal races in East Malaysia, collectively called "Bumiputera". 99% of Malays are Sunni Muslims while the aboriginal races could be Muslims or Catholic Christians.
Note: Many Indian Muslims, migrants from neighbouring countries and Arabic-descent borned in Malaysia are categorized as Muslim Malays as well.

2. 26% of population = ethnic Han Chinese minority, but a large minority. Most are Buddhist and Taoist while some at urban centres are Catholic and Protestant Christians. Unlike Singapore, the Chinese in Malaysia (most notable: the youth) speaks their respective clan dialects frequently, most common is Hokkien (Mi-nan or Fujian), Cantonese and Hakka.

3. 8% of population = ethnic Tamil Indian minority. Most are Hindus while some at urban centres are Catholic Christians.

4. 1% of population = inter-alia, European (Portuguese, British) and Middle Eastern descent.

In Malaysia, there are National (Malay) schools, Chinese schools and Tamil (Indian) schools. There are Civil (normal) and Syariah (for Muslims) justice systems running parallel. There are races and religion differentiation everywhere lol.

More readings on Malay Supremacy/ Bumiputra Policy in Malaysia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketuanan_Melayu

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Lee Kuan Yew, the former PM of the Singaporean government and the former leader of PAP, declared his open opposition to Malay supremacy in 1965; calling for a "Malaysian Malaysia" instead of the implied Malay Malaysia. He argued that "Malays began to migrate to Malaysia in noticeable numbers only about 700 years ago. Of the 39% Malays in Malaysia today (1965), about one-third are comparatively new immigrants like (Syed Jaafar Albar), who came to Malaya from Indonesia just before the war (WWII) at the age of more than thirty. Therefore it is wrong and illogical for a particular racial group to think that they are more justified to be called Malaysians and that the others can become Malaysian only through their favour."

Lee later lamented: "Malaysia — to whom does it belong? To Malaysians. But who are Malaysians? I hope I am, Mr Speaker, Sir. But sometimes, sitting in this chamber, I doubt whether I am allowed to be a Malaysian. This is the doubt that hangs over many minds, and ... [once] emotions are set in motion, and men pitted against men along these unspoken lines, you will have the kind of warfare that will split the nation from top to bottom and undo Malaysia."

Lee's statements upset many, especially Alliance politicians. Tan Siew Sin called him the "greatest, disruptive force in the entire history of Malaysia and Malaya." The Tunku considered Lee too extremist in his views, while other UMNO politicians thought Lee was simply pandering to Malaysian Chinese with his rhetoric. Lee's statement about allegedly recent Malay migration met with stinging rebuttals; Albar declared: "To say that the Malays are in the same category as other races is an insult..." The UMNO newspaper Malaya Merdeka warned: "If the Malays are hard-pressed and their interests are not protected," they would merge Malaysia with Indonesia. It was this that the Tunku feared the most. To him, the ultras were not the real extremists — it was those who sought a "Greater Indonesia" to "fix" the Chinese that were the real threat.

At times, however, Lee worsened things by making racial comments of his own. Many of his speeches harped on the ethnic composition of Malaysia, reminding listeners that the non-Malays were now in the majority, with 61% of the population to the Malays' 39% asking at one point, "Why should we go back to old Singapore and once again reduce the non-Malays in Malaya to a minority?" Lee exacerbated deteriorating PAP-UMNO relations by constantly demanding that the federal government "smack down their 'ultras'", whose ranks included prominent UMNO leaders such as Syed Jaafar Albar and Syed Nasir Ismail.

Tunku Abdul Rahman, the first PM of Malaysia, fed up with all the politicking and convinced that any further clashes of rhetoric would only degenerate into violence — asked Singapore to secede. Singapore became an independent nation in 1965, with Lee as its first Prime Minister. Although Article 152 of the Constitution of Singapore names the Malays as "indigenous people" of Singapore and mandates special safeguarding of their rights and privileges, the article does not specify any policies for such safeguarding.

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Interestingly yet ironically, the Orang Asli (Aboriginal Malays) of peninsular Malaysia are not considered Bumiputra under the Federal constitution. As their settlement predates that of the Malays, this is considered unfair by many, especially as they are also much worse off than the Malays. As such, various groups including SUHAKAM, the Malaysian Commission of Human Rights have called for the government to recognise Orang Asli as Bumiputra.

Recently, members of the Indian community have also been vocal in demonstrating for Hindu rights and protesting that their community has long been worse off than the Malay community, a situation compounded by unfavorable treatment as non-Bumiputras. Several members of the Hindu Rights Action Force (HINDRAF) are currently in detention under the Internal Security Act (ISA).

On the 1st of March 2009, Datuk Nik Aziz Nik Mat, the spiritual leader of the opposition Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party stated that the term “bumiputera” is racist and the policy prevented other races from receiving government aid. Nik Aziz’s remarks were made in response to the criticisms and threats made by UMNO against Democratic Action Party’s Dr Boo Cheng Hau, the opposition leader in Johor when Dr Boo was reported to have compared “bumiputeraism” with state apartheid.

In April 2009 Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak (also President of UMNO) liberalised 27 sub-sectors from the 30% equity exempting them from Bumiputra equity. This however was widely viewed as an attempt to salvage the general malaise and severe corruption that had affected the Malaysian political scene. While UMNO itself has been affected by severe corruption and money politics, members in major coalition partners such as MCA, MIC, and PPP have lost much support from the minority populace who have been demanding equal treatment as elucidated in the Human Rights Charter Article 1 via the removal of constitutional clauses that have institutionalized Special Malay Privileges into a form of economic apartheid and cultural suppression. Opposition coalition Pakatan Rakyat has in turn gained large groundswell of support in addressing the apartheid issue and has better consultation with the citizenry so far, though not without internal friction within it's coalition partners.

^^so, are you really living harmoniously in your country, with that kind of policy reigning? I mean, I cant seem to imagine how a migrant can manage to live a normal life with that kind of cultural norm. And, im just curious, how are addressing such issues? Coz I have a chinese-malaysian friend in the net and he's telling me about that stuff and he's really negatively extatic about it,.:ohno:

Some say Malaysians are living on a dangerous racial and religious divide. But I don't really bother it all the time. Besides politics, Malaysia is no doubt very harmonious.

Guys let us go back to the topic.

yep malaysia is too hard to explain...yes it true there are some controversial and racist policy provide by the government..but overall malaysian keep living in harmony....people are tend to not debate this issue openly because it still taboo among malaysian...and they worried if the harmony and peace situation now turn to worst...

^^so, are you really living harmoniously in your country, with that kind of policy reigning? I mean, I cant seem to imagine how a migrant can manage to live a normal life with that kind of cultural norm. And, im just curious, how are addressing such issues? Coz I have a chinese-malaysian friend in the net and he's telling me about that stuff and he's really negatively extatic about it,.:ohno:

Generally, I would say most Malaysians are trained to live in a high degree of self-discipline when it comes to dealing with racism in the country. Most Malaysians are peace-loving and sensitive towards what other races feel (which is also why Malaysian media generally practise a high degree of social responsibility except some racist papers like the UMNO-owned Utusan Malaysia). Ordinary Malaysians do live together harmoniously and have the closest of friends from all races - it is a common sight to see people of different skin colours living everyday life on any Malaysian street. In fact, most non-Malays are fine with helping the Malays to be at the top. But currently this is done at the expense of many bright non-Malays. It is some chauvinist politicians who abuse such privilege and made insensitive statements like "the non-Malays are only guests in our country and don't forget how we are so nice letting them become Malaysia citizens therefore it is only right that they contribute and help us" etc who made such policy a big turn off to non-Malays.

All in all, the bumiputra policy/ NEP might be relevant back then to ease the growing racial tension. It is definitely not relevant now, especially when there is a significant number of rich/ middle-class Malays, plus "Malay" race have sort of become the majority now (imagine how they have been 'growing' the population percentage so tremendously in 50 years). This policy is now only a tool for some chauvinists to abuse the minorities and to live in their own world of pride.

This is what most Malaysians feel - this country could have so much more potential and rooms to grow if they do away with such ridiculous racist policies. We are happy that there's a strong opposition coalition now to at least keep the racist government in check - and it works - now the Federal government is slowly liberalising the race-based policies.

why cant the Malay compete the chinese fairly in Malaysia, the chinese in Malaysia was the dominant economic driven force that drives Malaysia to prosperous, and all the richest man in Malaysia are all chinese, I dont understand whats wrong with the Malay in their country, are they not intelligent enough or being lazy, and at the same time discriminate the chinese whos doing most of the economic progress, thats harmful to its economy, if u r to lazy to work, why cant you let others to work hard, without the chinese what would they achieve, Im not racist, Im just saying the truth, I just cant understand such nonesense and stupid policy still exist in todays modern world which govern by civilisation, I feel sorry for the chinese there, they should return to mainland where there is more stable political environment and working along with their hard working people without dicrimination. And less risk from the attack of the muslims at the same time.

yep malaysia is too hard to explain...yes it true there are some controversial and racist policy provide by the government..but overall malaysian keep living in harmony....people are tend to not debate this issue openly because it still taboo among malaysian...and they worried if the harmony and peace situation now turn to worst...

i guess there's not much freedom of expression..

well anyway, i really feel sorry for some Malaysians.
it's totally unfair for them..
no wonder Singapore detached from the federation.

Malaysia is in the "limelight". :)

why cant the Malay compete the chinese fairly in Malaysia, the chinese in Malaysia was the dominant economic driven force that drives Malaysia to prosperous, and all the richest man in Malaysia are all chinese, I dont understand whats wrong with the Malay in their country, are they not intelligent enough or being lazy, and at the same time discriminate the chinese whos doing most of the economic progress, thats harmful to its economy, if u r to lazy to work, why cant you let others to work hard, without the chinese what would they achieve, Im not racist, Im just saying the truth, I just cant understand such nonesense and stupid policy still exist in todays modern world which govern by civilisation, I feel sorry for the chinese there, they should return to mainland where there is more stable political environment and working along with their hard working people without dicrimination. And less risk from the attack of the muslims at the same time.

There are about 7.5 million Chinese in Malaysia. The 4th largest community of Overseas Chinese (outside China). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese

For those wanting to read more about the Malaysian Race-based Economic Policies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy_(Malaysia)

The policies are meant to reduce poverty amongst the majority race. However, after 52 years, the policies are not effective anymore due to intense competition from a globalized world. Malaysia is a country where the minority (don't mind) help the majority. No doubt, the majority race is less "enterprising" than the Chinese. Nvm.

Unlike the Chinese in Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines, the Chinese in Malaysia did not assimiliated into the the majority race's culture and religion. For example, the Chinese in Malaysia retained their customs, mother tongue and use their Chinese names. In the past, the government prefers to segregate the Cultures rather than creating One identity called Malaysian.

Anyway in the last decade, the population percentage of ethnic Chinese in Malaysia is fast declining due to migration abroad, especially to Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_New_Economic_Policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumiputra

Read this .

why cant the Malay compete the chinese fairly in Malaysia, the chinese in Malaysia was the dominant economic driven force that drives Malaysia to prosperous, and all the richest man in Malaysia are all chinese, I dont understand whats wrong with the Malay in their country, are they not intelligent enough or being lazy, and at the same time discriminate the chinese whos doing most of the economic progress, thats harmful to its economy, if u r to lazy to work, why cant you let others to work hard, without the chinese what would they achieve, Im not racist, Im just saying the truth, I just cant understand such nonesense and stupid policy still exist in todays modern world which govern by civilisation, I feel sorry for the chinese there, they should return to mainland where there is more stable political environment and working along with their hard working people without dicrimination. And less risk from the attack of the muslims at the same time.

The argument of the racists is that - Chinese Malaysians did not receive any help or favour from the government yet they are still successful, they still dominate about 70% of the country's economy, so all the more we should help the Malays 'coz Chinese don't need help. The chauvinists had always asked the Chinese to 'return' to Tongshan (China) so they can have their country (Malaya) back. The counter argument (which tends to be retaliatory and offensive), is that if there's this one day when all Chinese Malaysians decided to leave the country, Malaysian economy will collapse instantly and be immediately backtrack to an economy liken to a 3rd world country, or even worse (as said by former PM Dr. M).

Chinese Malaysians talents are very much sought after worldwide - for the fact that most are readily multi-lingual and highly adaptable to different environments (due to the fact that they lived in multi-cultural society and without getting any privilege that a normal citizen should have). Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia and UK for example, are massively absorbing Chinese Malaysians into their talent pools - there's even this saying that half of Singapore are actually Malaysians (Chinese); and you can't differentiate a Malaysian from a Hong Konger once they blend into HK society. and many a times, these Malaysians will never return anymore once migrated. We call this phenomenon the "brain drain" - which also occurs among the Malays and Indian communities, but mostly Chinese. Many Malays who may be initially relying on government's sponsorship to study abroad, say, in the States choose not to return after experiecing the freedom that they will never get in Malaysia - another brain drain. The more well-off Indians might choose to migrate to Singapore or UK where they thrive in law, medical and IT fields - more brain drains.

It's really not Malays' fault, as a race for this brain drain to happen. It is the chauvinist government who had been spoon-feeding only their race (for their own pride and wealth) that should be punished. I believe anyone would tend to live in laziness and no progress if there's someone to willingly feed you for your entire life. More and more Malays nowadays realise this "crutches" theory that they should start competing with the non-Malays in order for them to progress - either you start competing or be left to rot - no one is going to feed you once everyone left the country. Only time will time how far Malaysia can go from here - the first step is definitely to abolish the NEP. So far I've only seen one really successful Malay company - which is Petronas (the tenant of the Twin Towers). Most are just mediocre.

There are about 7.5 million Chinese in Malaysia. The 4th largest community of Overseas Chinese (outside China). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese

For those wanting to read more about the Malaysian Race-based Economic Policies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy_(Malaysia)

The policies are meant to reduce poverty amongst the majority race. However, after 52 years, the policies are not effective anymore due to intense competition from a globalized world. Malaysia is a country where the minority (don't mind) help the majority. No doubt, the majority race is less "enterprising" than the Chinese. Nvm.

Unlike the Chinese in Thailand, Indonesia and Philippines, the Chinese in Malaysia did not assimiliated into the the majority race's culture and religion. For example, the Chinese in Malaysia retained their customs, mother tongue and use their Chinese names. In the past, the government prefers to segregate the Cultures rather than creating One identity called Malaysian.

Anyway in the last decade, the population percentage of ethnic Chinese in Malaysia is fast declining due to migration abroad, especially to Singapore, Australia, Hong Kong and Taiwan.

i think malaysia is the only country in asean beside singapore where the minority did not assimilated with the majority...chinese and indian in malaysia still retained their language, heritage, name and so on. due to large minority number and the majority only count 60% of Malaysia population..the good one we become multiracial...people enjoy to see the variety of malaysia cultural...but the bad side...there are some people like to use racial issue to gain popularity..thus course some of malaysian being racism toward other different race...

i think malaysia is the only country in asean beside singapore where the minority did not assimilated with the majority...

Correct me if I'm wrong, I think Brunei as well?

^^ interesting facts about Malaysia.....so, should I say inter racial marriage is not common in Malaysia?

I have a Chinese Filipino friend who married a Filipina (non-chinese) and it was okay for the Chinese families. I attended the reception and the greetings were mixed, too. :) Here, non-chinese can go to Chinese schools as long as the family can afford the tuition fees. Chinese also attend Philippine public schools with no problems at all.

^^ Chinese doesn't have problems assimilating in the country. They fit in perfectly, that is no wonder, since Chinese have been in the Philippines since before the Spanish came in the 1500's. Most Filipinos in Luzon island have Chinese ancestry they are not even aware of. :D

^^ interesting facts about Malaysia.....so, should I say inter racial marriage is not common in Malaysia?

I have a Chinese Filipino friend who married a Filipina (non-chinese) and it was okay for the Chinese families. I attended the reception and the greetings were mixed, too. :)

it happen to malaysia also but usually the chinese or other non-Malay who married to Malays will convert their religious to Muslim.........
About reception and greeting in mixed, that is what we always do in our country :cheers:



Here, non-chinese can go to Chinese schools as long as the family can afford the tuition fees. Chinese also attend Philippine public schools with no problems at all.

^^This also never been any problem in our country regarding this issue.... Here also many Malays send their children to chinese school as well as chinese and Indian also been encouraged to send their children to national school too :)

Shit can hit the fan, that's all I have to say

^^ interesting facts about Malaysia.....so, should I say inter racial marriage is not common in Malaysia?


Inter racial marriage is quite common nowadays in Malaysia.

But in Malaysia one need to understand that a Chinese/Indian who marries a Malay MUST fully convert to Islam. Men or women have to convert their religion depending on who is Muslim. Once Muslim the person will come under syariah law.

In fact, the religious and cultural complication is discouraging inter-racial marriage, but there are some couples who doesn't mind. There are even more complicated cases and loopholes especially dealing with spouses that have converted, then divorced or passed away or other circumstances.

^^ As far as the oversea Chinese in SEA are concerned, I find the Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia are more easily differentiated by the physical appearance from common folk in their respective countries than Thai Chinese and Filipino Chinese are. I think that's because the intermarriage in Thailand and Philippines is quite common, unlike in Malaysia and Indonesia as well as Brunei where the large majority of people are Muslims. That reminds me that today ethnic Hui people in China still practice their own Islamic culture or beliefs in thousands of years of fitting in with Han Chinese society as opposed to other more stronger ethnic groups such as Huns and Xianbei and so on, almost all of whom have been totally assimilated into Hans community and disappeared in the end. Thus, I suppose the religion problem can explain why the intermarriage in Malaysia and Indonesia is pretty uncommon compared to other SE Asian countries.

^^ Chinese doesn't have problems assimilating in the country. They fit in perfectly, that is no wonder, since Chinese have been in the Philippines since before the Spanish came in the 1500's. Most Filipinos in Luzon island have Chinese ancestry they are not even aware of. :D

Yeah you're right. I think today the definition of who is Chinese Filipino is mostly based on the cultural values, right? There is a TV show called 'Happy Chinese' for foreigners eager to learn Chinese on CCTV4, some of Chinese Filipino look like full-blooded yet most are not. And I think the country in which the Chinese assimilated into the local culture the most is Thailand, because the Thai Chinese are well-represented in all levels of Thai society and play a leading role in business and politics, maybe it seems like another reason why Malaysia government separated Chinese from the whole Malaysian before.

^^ you got it right.. the definition of being Chinese Filipino is not based on looks or ancestry anymore, (since most have a tiny share of Chinese blood) .. it's more based on the cultural values.
very bright of you. :D

I think the only people defined to be Chinese Filipino "officially" are those who lives in China town. They are the hardcore Chinese who only speaks Tagalog as their 2nd language.

The racial divide in Malaysia is getting wider. Many Chinese (Han) and Indians (Tamil, Singh/Punjab) in Malaysia are feeling unsecure about their children's future in the country.

In Malaysia, the government practices political segregation. In other words, we have Chinese political parties and media that take care of Chinese interests only.

Chinese Political Party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_Chinese_Association

Major Chinese Newspapers in Malaysia:
1. http://www.sinchew.com.my

2. http://www.nanyang.com

3. http://www.chinapress.com.my

4. http://www.guangming.com.my

5. http://www.kwongwah.com.my
and many more Chinese tv channels, magazines, Chinese-version of talent contests, etc.......
Malaysia is the only country in the world that have race-based schools, such as government-run and independent Chinese-medium schools for the Chinese community.


Malaysia is at a crossroad. The cosequence in the future wll be greatest when the Chinese/Indian community does not assimiliate with the majority race. Rather Malaysia may not be as UNITED as a nationality and as a country. Imagine where each respective race only takes care of their own economic interests.

Thus, I suppose the religion problem can explain why the intermarriage in Malaysia and Indonesia is pretty uncommon compared to other SE Asian countries.

I think this statement is true, religion problem could be the major reason why the Chinese in Indonesia (and maybe Malaysia) can not be fully assimilated by other indigenous ethnics/races here, esp. with those who practice Islam. This situation is different with Thailand and Philippines, as the majority religion there is Buddhist or Christianity.

In Indonesia, as we all know, Islam is the most predominant religion which consist of about 80% of the population. In contrary, about 70% of ethnic Chinese here practice Christianity (both Protestant and Catholic), while the rest are still practicing Buddhism or Confucianism. It's a very small portion (less than 1%) who convert to Islam.

But the situation here in Indonesia is better than in Malaysia I suppose. That's because Indonesia doesn't implement sharia law as in Malaysia. So many locals are Christians, Catholics, or even Buddhist (though the numbers are very small). In Indonesia we don't have a strict rule that pribumi or bumiputera have to practice Islam all of his/her life, he/she may convert to other religion (e.g. because of intermarriage) quite easier than in Malaysia.

^^ As far as the oversea Chinese in SEA are concerned, I find the Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia are more easily differentiated by the physical appearance from common folk in their respective countries than Thai Chinese and Filipino Chinese are. I think that's because the intermarriage in Thailand and Philippines is quite common, unlike in Malaysia and Indonesia as well as Brunei where the large majority of people are Muslims. That reminds me that today ethnic Hui people in China still practice their own Islamic culture or beliefs in thousands of years of fitting in with Han Chinese society as opposed as other more stronger ethnic groups such as Huns and Xianbei and so on, almost all of whom have been totally assimilated into Hans community and disappeared in the end. Thus, I suppose the religion problem can explain why the intermarriage in Malaysia and Indonesia is pretty uncommon compared to other SE Asian countries.



Yeah you're right. I think today the definition of who is Chinese Filipino is mostly based on the cultural values, right? There is a TV show called 'Happy Chinese' for foreigners eager to learn Chinese on CCTV4, some of Chinese Filipino look like full-blooded yet most are not. And I think the country in which the Chinese assimilated into the local culture the most is Thailand, because the Thai Chinese are well-represented in all levels of Thai society and play a leading role in business and politics, maybe it seems like another reason why Malaysia government separated Chinese from the whole Malaysian before.

In Philippine politics, those with Chinese ancestry played great role.
The first Philippine woman President, Corazon "Cojuangco" Aquino has chinese ancestry from Fujian. The current mayor of Manila - Mayor Alfredo Lim, well from his name, you'll know that he has Chinese ancestry /blood. There are other members of Congress, city and town mayors who are Chinese or with Chinese ancestry. There is no political party exclusively for Chinese Filipinos since they are assimilated with the mainstream, thus, there is no need to establish.

Yes, you're correct that it is difficult to tell whether a Filipino is Chinese or not by his/her looks alone mainly due to inter-marriage that started years ago.

As K14N has explained, it is true that religion played a great factor to the inter-marriage and of course "wealth" for each family.

I'm not Chinese but some people would ask me before in Jakarta "keturunan apa", or what race do I have? They said I look like Chinese? Maybe it's due to having a fair skin and not so wide eyes. hehehe. It's so strange since nobody asked me like that in the Philippines.

Is this thread is about Race in SEA or Richest city in SEA???? Mod, i beloieve this is where a thread is out of its topic???

i don't mind it, as long as it's a peaceful discussion

but still sorry for being off topic :D

maybe we should back to the topic...richest city in asia..haha...

This is the Income Per Capita 2008 (countries) list by IMF - note that "countries" that top the list tend to have smaller population than many major Asian cities.

1 Qatar $86,008
2 Singapore $51,226
3 Brunei $50,199
4 Hong Kong $43,847
5 Kuwait $39,915
6 UAE $38,894
7 Taiwan $30,912
8 South Korea $27,692
9 Saudi Arabia $23,814
10 Malaysia $14,081
11 Lebanon $13,006
12 Iran $11,052
13 Thailand $8,239
14 China $5,970
15 Jordan $5,537
16 Bhutan $5,312
17 Syria $4,757
18 Sri Lanka $4,589
19 Indonesia $3,980
20 Mongolia $3,547
21 Philippines $3,515
22 Iraq $3,477
23 Vietnam $2,794
24 India $2,780
25 Uzbekistan $2,634
26 Pakistan $2,624
27 Yemen $2,411
28 Timor-Leste $2,368
29 Kyrgystan $2,185
30 Laos $2,127
31 Cambodia $2,082
32 Tajikistan $2,023
33 Bangladesh $1,399
34 Myanmar $1,156
35 Nepal $1,144
36 Afghanistan $760

^^
Wow! Look at Qatar.......... they're almost at level with London.......

^^^ Qatar have oil leh... no wonder.... plus, population not even reach 2,000,000

asia is still poor (on average)compared to America/Europe. so we should work harder,make faster progress and catch up with others.

i hope malaysia would change it`s stupid racism policies

we asia except singapore, japan, hong kong, taiwan and south korea..still lack behind than europe and america..some country is rich not because they are so developed but because of they rich with 'black gold' like middle east...

This is the Income Per Capita 2008 (countries) list by IMF - note that "countries" that top the list tend to have smaller population than many major Asian cities.

1 Qatar $86,008
2 Singapore $51,226
3 Brunei $50,199
4 Hong Kong $43,847
5 Kuwait $39,915
6 UAE $38,894
7 Taiwan $30,912
8 South Korea $27,692
9 Saudi Arabia $23,814
10 Malaysia $14,081
11 Lebanon $13,006
12 Iran $11,052
13 Thailand $8,239
14 China $5,970
15 Jordan $5,537
16 Bhutan $5,312
17 Syria $4,757
18 Sri Lanka $4,589
19 Indonesia $3,980
20 Mongolia $3,547
21 Philippines $3,515
22 Iraq $3,477
23 Vietnam $2,794
24 India $2,780
25 Uzbekistan $2,634
26 Pakistan $2,624
27 Yemen $2,411
28 Timor-Leste $2,368
29 Kyrgystan $2,185
30 Laos $2,127
31 Cambodia $2,082
32 Tajikistan $2,023
33 Bangladesh $1,399
34 Myanmar $1,156
35 Nepal $1,144
36 Afghanistan $760

Those numbers are for PPP GDP per capita. The nominal numbers are much lower than this, meaning we are much poorer than those of the West :)

^^
Of course! The West have been keeping themselves rich Millenniums before........... there's no question why they're so rich even in this generation...........

Emerging market city economies set to rise rapidly in global GDP rankings says PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP

* Shanghai projected to rise from 25th to 9th place in the global city GDP rankings between 2008 and 2025 and show the strongest growth rate of any current top 30 city

* Mumbai to rise from 29th to 11th and Beijing from 38th to 17th place

London, 5 NOV 2009 -- Emerging market city economies are projected to rise significantly up the global GDP rankings between 2008 and 2025 according to PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP research. The figures provide an insight into how the global economic landscape looks set to change and which cities may provide the most compelling draw for capital and labour in the future.

John Hawksworth, head of macroeconomics at PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, said::

“Global economic activity is concentrated in the world’s largest cities and it is important to understand how those cities compare, especially when many developed economies are experiencing economic difficulties while countries like China and India continue to grow.”

Looking at the 2008 rankings (see table below), Mexico City and Sao Paulo are the emerging economy cities already in the top 10 when ranked by GDP, but Buenos Aires is not far behind in 13th place and Moscow in 15th. Shanghai and Mumbai have jumped into the top 30 with their strong growth between 2005 and 2008. There are also a number of fast-growing emerging economy cities just outside the current top 30, including Istanbul (34th), Beijing (38th), Manila (40th), Cairo (42nd) and Guangzhou (44th).

Looking ahead to 2025, the study sees the rise of the emerging economy cities continuing. Shanghai, Mumbai, Beijing, Delhi, Guangzhou, Rio de Janeiro, Istanbul and Cairo are all expected to rise significantly in the global city GDP rankings as the attached table shows.

See link for table:

http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/press-room/2009/largest-city-economies-uk.jhtml

This is the Income Per Capita 2008 (countries) list by IMF - note that "countries" that top the list tend to have smaller population than many major Asian cities.

1 Qatar $86,008
2 Singapore $51,226
3 Brunei $50,199
4 Hong Kong $43,847
5 Kuwait $39,915
6 UAE $38,894
7 Taiwan $30,912
8 South Korea $27,692
9 Saudi Arabia $23,814
10 Malaysia $14,081
11 Lebanon $13,006
12 Iran $11,052
13 Thailand $8,239
14 China $5,970
15 Jordan $5,537
16 Bhutan $5,312
17 Syria $4,757
18 Sri Lanka $4,589
19 Indonesia $3,980
20 Mongolia $3,547
21 Philippines $3,515
22 Iraq $3,477
23 Vietnam $2,794
24 India $2,780
25 Uzbekistan $2,634
26 Pakistan $2,624
27 Yemen $2,411
28 Timor-Leste $2,368
29 Kyrgystan $2,185
30 Laos $2,127
31 Cambodia $2,082
32 Tajikistan $2,023
33 Bangladesh $1,399
34 Myanmar $1,156
35 Nepal $1,144
36 Afghanistan $760

I think I wanna live in Brunei or Singapore! I really am starting to have less hope of getting rich in my country sometimes...... the TRAPO style Politics really is a hindrance to our prosperity.:ohno: