.....has been replaced by a larger tower!!!

Well, I looked at an Asian property magazine in the Valley the other day and on the back page was a rendering of a massive new tower where Kingsgrove is supposed to be going. The tower has about 45 levels of apartments plus several levels of podium. Looks about 47 to 50 stories!!

The magazine advertisement was in chinese (i think) and I have a copy of the page at home. Will bring it in and scan it soon.

The building is pretty average and has a very simple design. If less is more then this building will be nice.

jt

^^^
Great news! Hopefully it will looks less....Kingsgrove. My guestimates are usually totally wrong but since 30 Macrossan Street is 48 storeys in 165 meters....a height over 150 would seem likely.

I was afraid that you were going to say "Kingsgrove is cancelled but...a boutique apartment tower of 5 stories (possibly called "mon appartement") will be constructed.

I look forward to pictures.

^^^
Great news! Hopefully it will looks less....Kingsgrove. My guestimates are usually totally wrong but since 30 Macrossan Street is 48 storeys in 165 meters....a height over 150 would seem likely.

I was afraid that you were going to say "Kingsgrove is cancelled but...a boutique apartment tower of 5 stories (possibly called "mon appartement") will be constructed.

I look forward to pictures.

Yeah - I'll scan them as soon as I can. Probably on Thursday as I have a very busy schedule tomorrow with work and uni. I don't have internet access at home or a scanner so I do everything here (@QUT).

There were some things I could read though - numbers. 4000 - probably the post code, 2006 - probably the completion date and 199,000 - probably apartments from..

jt

Wow, great news. It's simply dumbfounding how many new towers are being constructed or planned for that part of the city.

I wonder why kingsgrove fell through?
People obviously weren't keen on paying top dollar for shoe boxes?
Maybe the pool of international student renters isn't as big as first thought?

Sorry about the top being cut off - there is a banner across it anyway so your not missing much. You get the drift though - another large tower squeezed in a tiny space.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p098c5a01101beca3ebf1dcb4bbeef46b/f91b3a71.jpg

It may be a little large and someone may have to re-size it.

jt

whats the bldg next to it? i cant seem identify it? what street is it on?

^^^^
The building next to it is Education House. The Black building next to that is "Capital Hill" and is on the corner of George and Mary streets.
jt

oh ok. now i understand.so if Ed house is 105m tall, the proposal looks 10 res floors above it so 30m? 105m+30m = 135m?
http://extranet.emporis.com/files/transfer/5/2000/07/110535.jpg

It looks of the same ilk as Metropole Apartments; slender with curved facade.

(The Asian papers are render heaven. Just pages and pages of them along with small square pics of real estate agents all lined up.)

how come they get the renders first? is it because they have lots of money to invest??

how come they get the renders first? is it because they have lots of money to invest??

Yes, that and many of these apartment towers are directed at student accommodation. By the looks of the price I would guess this one is as well.

That area of the city is going to be very crowded. Charlotte street has already began to boom as a mini chinatown with all the cheap new asian food bars. When I am there I feel like I am in Hong Kong or Singapore - imagine in a few years.

They should cut off some of those streets at night for night markets.
jt

$199,000 sounds pretty good for the apartment in the middle of the CBD!!

Yes, that and many of these apartment towers are directed at student accommodation. By the looks of the price I would guess this one is as well.

That area of the city is going to be very crowded. Charlotte street has already began to boom as a mini chinatown with all the cheap new asian food bars. When I am there I feel like I am in Hong Kong or Singapore - imagine in a few years.

They should cut off some of those streets at night for night markets.
jt
lol, Charlotte St is nothing like HK or Singapore. Just because a street has a number of Asian eateries (probably no more than 8), doesn't suddenly make it like an Asian city.

The title of this thread is wrong. Kingsgrove is at 56 Mary Street and according to Property Direct sales rep it has been put on hold - not replaced.

This new proposal is for the two blocks next to 56 Mary on the Albert Street side. (I could give the exact address but the thread with this info which started on Wednesday or Thursday this week has disappeared!!!!!!).

lol, Charlotte St is nothing like HK or Singapore. Just because a street has a number of Asian eateries (probably no more than 8), doesn't suddenly make it like an Asian city.

Nah - its just that they are all together and all very crude and cheap, perfect for students and people who want a good meal on a budget.

jt

The title of this thread is wrong. Kingsgrove is at 56 Mary Street and according to Property Direct sales rep it has been put on hold - not replaced.

This new proposal is for the two blocks next to 56 Mary on the Albert Street side. (I could give the exact address but the thread with this info which started on Wednesday or Thursday this week has disappeared!!!!!!).
sorry duke, my fault. let me know what to call thread and ill change.
cheers

Can the person who posted details of this building based on a letter they received please repost that info including address? Thanks.

If the proposed/onhold "kingsrove" was 56 Mary st and Tuscan Bar and Grill (which is due to be demolished I think for this proposal) is 72 Mary st.... then this new skycorp tower would fit somewhere inbetween there, if not 72 Mary St !!!

Spoke to one of the reps for 64-78 Mary St on the phone yesterday and here is what he told me.

It is the same Korean developer who had Willahra Apartments built.

So far 70 of the total of 376 apartments have been pre-commited to Korean buyers.

After 3-6 months, it will start to be advertised in the Australian newspapers.

It will be 44 levels above ground that includes ground floor retail, a 1st floor restaurant and on the 2nd floor, a commercial gym open for public memberships.

DA approved with anticipated construction late 2004 and anticipated completion date, late 2006.

Kingsgrove Apartments as such, is officially defunct.

BTW This render that JayT scanned shows the approved tower virtually to the top. It rises only about another metre with a slightly pointed tip:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p098c5a01101beca3ebf1dcb4bbeef46b/f91b3a71.jpg

Thanks for that info Muse. Makes it clear that this is next door to the former Kingsgrove.

@Culwulla - Can you please change the title to the correct address of 64 - 78 Mary Street.

Uh oh, the guys who did Willahra are doing this....not a good sign.

Uh oh, the guys who did Willahra are doing this....not a good sign.

No body will see it anyway, its completely surrounded by current and proposed towers.

Metropole, 111 George and its new buddy, Education House, Kingsgrove and Festival Towers.
Is it possible that the block could sink under the weight of all those towers? Talk about density!!!!

jt

Great, another low quality consequence of overspeculation....Brisbane will really regret these urban mistakes in the future - can a boom be a bad thing?

I think so

^^^^
Of course a boom can be a bad thing, but at the moment since few of these 'low quality' projects are actually underconstruction (...if you ignore devine) I can't really see an issue.

And even if all the planned projects are actually constucted, i don't think Brisbane will regret it that much because I still don't think that there are enough of them to seriously impact the brisbane market or skyline.

How do you know that this is overspeculation?

todays finn review had a big storey on the apartments being swallowed up in the CBD. It is going better than anywhere in OZ atm. The market will be consistant now til 2006/7. So all the planned projects about to commence will sell well! no worries about that!

Uh oh, the guys who did Willahra are doing this....not a good sign.Not necessarily BrizzyChris. Jugding by the scanned rendering on the previous page of this thread, it won't be painted in same the French colours as Willahra Apartments had been.

BTW If the dreaded xs appear on the following 2 pic posts, just right click and copy and paste their URL addresses on the above address line. Then they should appear....voila!!

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfer/6/2002/12/174485.jpg

Similar curves to the approved 64-78 Mary Street too:

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2002/12/177018.jpg

^^^^
Unfortunatly that doesn't seem to work for me: i simply get a forbiden message.

I think this will be better than Wilahra.

Pictures work OK for me when I do the cut and paste.

I can now see then bottom one (Wilhara), but i'm still getting "Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /files/transfer/6/2002/12/174485.jpg on this server."

Orfeo, I just tried it again and worked yet again. Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with your settings. :dunno:

BTW I think I am one of the few that likes Willahra.

In regard to 64-78 Mary Street, it still reminds me of Metropole Apartments.

I noticed today that they've put up temporary fencing around the two buildings between 64-78 Mary St......... anyone know whats happening now?
Are they demolitioning them???

Preliminary demolition work was starting today. Spoke to some guys from Rosenlund (who demolished Festival Hall) today. They were waiting on site for the official handover so that they could start work.

They mentioned that they had also been due to demolish the building on the Kingsgrove site until the development was canned.

This is a rear view of the buildings due to be demolished. Their rear boundary is the Festival Towers site.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay2/13may04demo1.JPG

It's interesting that they are moving to demolition so quickly given the low key marketing undertaken so far.

Perhaps low key as far as the mainstream media. I picked up a Chinese paper in Sydney the other day and there it was on the front. Just like the scan from the Korean paper on the previous page.

Here's a photo of the site from the Mary Street frontage.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay2/16may04mary1.JPG

Couple of shots taken today.

From Mary Street.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay2/22may04demo1.JPG

From Charlotte Street looking across Festival Towers site.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay2/22may04demo2.JPG

scanned render, looks good
http://img52.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/skycorp.jpg

There's some very wierd building placement in that render. The brown building with the blue top on the right hand side which appears to be beside the new Charlotte Street tower (under construction in the render) is really on the other side of Charlotte Street behind Casino Towers. Also, I don't think that Education House should appear so close given that there is effectively two blocks of land between it and Skycorp.

So how high should this one be does anyone know? 43 levels of apartments plus foyer area. Around 140 metres maybe???

Yeah, I agree duke, the building placement is WAY off... makes you wonder about it's legitimacy...

So how high should this one be does anyone know? 43 levels of apartments plus foyer area. Around 140 metres maybe???
I estimated its 8 storeys higher than the 110m neighbour, thus 8x3m =24m + 110m = 134m??
anyway some where between 130-140m. yet another bog one to densify the CBD!!

Demolition of existing buildings was almost complete yesterday.

I goota pretty good view of this on sat and the site is currently just starting to have scrap steel taken away and the first excavations taking place. May be a bit awkward to dig at the mo while it backs up against 50 odd metres of the job on the cnr of charlotte and albert, which is currently four floors below ground worth of hole already????

Photo taken yesterday looking down from Festival car park.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/johnthay1/26jun04skycorp1.JPG

Ad in the real estate section of the Courier Mail today reveals that this building will be named "M on Mary" with an address of 70 Mary Street. Website has been set up - www.monmary.com.au - and sales office is open at 540 Queen Street.

@Culwulla - can you change the thread name please.

I thought i might point out that not only has the cladding/colouring changed, but seemingly also the height. This is about as close as I could get the past render (left) and the new one from the site -

http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=y3gb5r&outx=600&oq=0

the new one looks alot nicer.. and taller!

^^^
Yep, I definately prefer then new colour scheme and design: has more class.

I'd say we're now looking arround 150m.

i worked out its approx 15 residential floors higher than nearby 110m office bldg next door. so 15x3m =45m + 110m = 155m!
ill ask ar hitect next week for official height.

that will have quite an impact now, as opposed to just adding density

The new design looks 100% better.

BTW. The rendering ya posted is in Korean, not Chinese.

^ That was already sorted out.

If the developers stick with the newer render, wow, should be nice.

As Blend pointed out, if taller shouldn't just add to density.

Not a big fan of this one at this stage actually, external design is a lot better - but has changed already and may change again. Don't particularly like the internals. And to me there is just something not right about this project but I just can't put my finger on it...

On the site it says 45 floors by the way. (45x3 = 135m)

There is a sales centre in the base of Willahra, I'll keep an eye out for a model

Imagine - this tower is going up right next door to Festival Towers. Should be interesting watching them go up together.

jt

I would hate to have bought an apartment in that back corner of Festival, but I spose if you want to live in the CBD thats what you expect.

On Sydney's Channel 10 this morning M was advertised in a typical investo-advertisement.

Amidst the soothing and enticing voice, as I turned to the screen there it was, the newer render.

I imagine the ads would be screening in Melbourne too.

So they've started their electronic media campaign. They're serious!

saw an add in Brissie last night.

Channel and time?

Not a big fan of this one at this stage actually, external design is a lot better - but has changed already and may change again. Don't particularly like the internals. And to me there is just something not right about this project but I just can't put my finger on it...

On the site it says 45 floors by the way. (45x3 = 135m)
its probably 45 resi floors, then theres large ground floor and plantlevels + top section. easily over 150m in total. really looks it too!
illt ry and get official height next week.

Thanks CUL! :-)

there was also the ad on channel 7 (sydney) at about 10.30pm , at the button there was korean words and a phone number, i have no idea what it is.

Small but info packed add in the weekend's Sydney Morning Herald domain liftout.

With (non-Flash) website setup too :) http://www.monmary.com.au - It mentions 367 units/44 levels, but often they leave ground floor and lift-motor room off in ads.

Typical high-rise apartment plan:

http://www.monmary.com.au/floorplans/B4(33-40).jpg

Location, location locat....very bright location:

http://www.monmary.com.au/images/citymap1.gif

http://www.monmary.com.au/images/citypicarrow1.jpg

...

looks higher than 145m spire of 111 george and its on lower ground.
does anyone know architects or developers names?

OFFICIAL HEIGHT!!!
140M!
i contacted BCC today and the planner read it off DA plans. it has total of 46 floors and is RL145m at top and RL5m at entrance. thus 140m above grd!
not quite 150m but pretty tall anyway.same RL as Riverside.
cheers

OFFICIAL HEIGHT!!!
140M!
i contacted BCC today and the planner read it off DA plans. it has total of 46 floors and is RL145m at top and RL5m at entrance. thus 140m above grd!
not quite 150m but pretty tall anyway.same RL as Riverside.
cheers

Yay!~More infill
jt

OFFICIAL HEIGHT!!!
140M!
i contacted BCC today and the planner read it off DA plans. it has total of 46 floors and is RL145m at top and RL5m at entrance. thus 140m above grd!
not quite 150m but pretty tall anyway.same RL as Riverside.
cheers
lol, you made me so excited that it was going to be over 150m!!! :bash:

sorry! lol, at Rl145m its not far under 150m above the brissy river!
Brisbane has alot of bldgs built in 70's & 80's approx 100m high! now the norm seems to be 130-160m. which is good!

I saw a commercial for this project late on Saturday night TV. Sophie Formica, from Saturday Disney and later on c|net central tv show etc...

the site from today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Blend/monmary.jpg

There is a model in the display centre now (gnd floor Willhara), I'll try and get a pic of it on the weekend

Funny how we only heard about this project not too long ago and its already U/C, yet other projects, like Emerald, just drag on for years.

Funny how we only heard about this project not too long ago and its already U/C, yet other projects, like Emerald, just drag on for years.

I don't think construction has started yet. Everything that is happening on site in the photo is related to Festival Towers. It appears that M on Mary developers are allowing Devine to use their site for access to complete excavation and as a work area to assemble formwork.

I also think the site is being used by devine for excavation of the Festival Towers site at the moment - this might help, who is constructing the Devine building versus M on Mary. This was the sign on the M on Mary site, I suspect Multiplex is doing Festival Towers and not M on Mary.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/Ausilencer/MonMary_20040811_1024x768_01.jpg

Multiplex are building Festival Towers.

When I last had a look it was apparent that no excavation had occurred on the M on Mary site. The pile of soil had all come out of the Festival Towers site.

the base:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/563/6209m_on_mary_-_building_2_-_small.jpg

bump. :runaway:

http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

OMG - what an amazing webcam - great find Blend. Never seen this before.

jt

lol JayT. r u sure? its the festival towers cam.

http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

I'll look for it in the webcams page.

jt

official m on mary thread

Has anyone heard any news on this? I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that last time I walked past the site, the signs for the Festival Hall construction company had been removed, and signs relating to the M on Mary developers had been put up. I also think I've seen soil testing equipment on the site more recently.

The sites beed clear for at least a month (ie Festival Towers/Devine took all their equip off the site)

The sales office is still selling, the official M on Mary site is up.. dunno what theyre waiting for

I waiting to see whats happening with this one as well, I've seen this one in the Courier Mail and that and it looks good and quite exciting so I'm waiting around to see what the bloody hell is taking it so long.

Anyone heard any news on this one? Doesn't seem to be much happening.

I think this is a new render from the site - not much changed, just the colouring - slightly...

http://www.monmary.com.au/images/m-on-mary-tower.jpg

I heard a whisper a few weeks ago that this one had been canned. Don't know if it was true or not.

word is that alot of planned resi towers wont get off ground.not sure if its the current market? some developers might be paranoid.waiting game?
whats happened to these planned towers?
Skyline
Mon Mary
Charlotte towers
panorama sky
Evolution

- Skyline is mostly sold out.
- Charlotte claims to be seeling well with "399 deposits taken in 1 day" and a new section of the twoer released.
- Panorama Sky thread, we have claims that theyre preparing the site (undeground or somethign)
- Evolution, nothing has been heard of.. Looks to be fine though, by the website
http://www.evolutioninliving.com.au

^hmm lest hope so. maybe there getting ready for next cycle? brissy now has only 8 skyscrapers uc.
lets look at there status>
Aurora- 50% built (completion-2005)
Riparian-99% built - will be off uc status soon.(2005)
brisbane sq-20% built (2006)
festival towers-5% built (2006)
casino towers-95% built-will be off uc soon. (2005)
observatory tower-95% built-will be off uc status soon (2005)
3 parkland bld-early works- (2006)?
saville sthbank-not sure (2006)?
----
so thats it. the last two are only small projects.
so in reality, Brisbane will have only 2 major skyscrapers uc in 2006?(Brisbane sq & festival),IF none others commence this year.what boom? maybe brisbane just had it over past 2years? i think it peaked at 14scrapers UC last year?
lets hope some start up soon.
Perth have more uc!lol

well if you count all of brisbanes smaller developents everywhere then its still booming. And there are heaps proposed. Big ones. So i dont think id be worrying

^ yes i agree. im not worrying.lol but just pointing out that brisbane will have only 3 skyscrapers uc next year if none start up 2005. but as you posted, many are about to start anyhow. skyline ect.
cheers

Skyline is starting in April. I'm not sure about the others but i'm quite sure that at least another 1 or 2 will start this year....

Has anyone actually contacted the developers of M on Mary?

By the way, the list should also contain pinnacle.

According to Devine's half year report released in February, Charlotte towers is due to commence late this year.

In response to my email accusing the developers of nto doing the project and abandoning their sales office....


Yes, M on Mary is definitely going ahead. They have now signed the building contract and construction will start in May 05. With pre-sales achieved, it was no longer necessary to keep the site office open.


So, at least if you listen to developers, projects which will be underconstruction in 2006:

Vision - 246
The Domaine - 177
Skyline - 160
Brisbane Square - 151
M on Mary - 140
Charlotte Towers - 138
Panorama Sky - 138
Festival towers - 135
Pinnacle
Saville

Interestingly, if you consider the sum of the meters of buildings under construction now, 893m, it is less than the combined number of meters which should be underconstruction later even if Vision isn't included (1285m with, 1,039m without). Then there are a few planned that feasibly might start...any of the ones arround petrie bight, evolution, southbank tower (supposedly all that is left is to ammend SB plan)

Southbank tower? Please enlighten me. :)

When I drove past Willahra yesterday the sales office still had the marketing display in the window so guess its still going ahead.

Southbank tower? Please enlighten me. :)

Probably means the new QR National HQ over South Brisbane station - they might go as high as 30 stories (I am hearing gossip though) - Oops;) Shouldn't let the cat out of the bag.

jt

You are such a tease with the things you hear JayT!!!!

lol JayT.
I say ur talking BS.
That would be a 120m tower at SB. lol

I personally think even 90m would be too high for the area.

Southbank tower? Please enlighten me. :)

Really not very exciting.....it will be the 3rd tower in the current row at southbank that Theiss and 189 Grey street make up. There was an article posted awhile ago....I think 12,000-15,000 sq m (similar size as the other two, but possibly bigger). I was at southbank and decided to stop by at the customer service office (mainly to see if the plan for the site in front of south brisbane train station had been release - it wasn't) and got into a conversation with one of the guys at the desk. He said he heard the design for this tower had been completed ages ago but a builder or something hadn't been found, and though he isn't sure all problems have been resolved, the project should be brought up in the next meeting of the corporation so the south bank plan can be ammended - that's why you never see development applications for the buildings in southbank, a different commision deals with them. I asked him what it looked like and whether he thought it would be passed/accepted - he had no idea about either of them.

So it could be hersay, but I like good news....

I'll stop by in a few weeks and see if any more info is arround.

Yes, M on Mary is definitely going ahead. They have now signed the building contract and construction will start in May 05. With pre-sales achieved, it was no longer necessary to keep the site office open.

Well the month of May is upon us - reckon M on Mary will actually start this month or will there be a lengthly delay like most other projects? Any acton on site?

went past the site today. just a mobile crane for Festival towers using the site. no construction yet

I want to see this one go ahead, So we will hopefully see something soon.

MonMary will commence construction on the 26th of May 2005 and is due for completition by 15th of September 2007. Hutchinson is the builder contracted for this development.

Good news then.

How do u know this?

http://www.hutchinsonbuilders.com.au/projects/projectdisplay.asp?ID=1768

I think this tower has been extended.
Emporis has it at 46 stories, 142m

But the builders have it at 48 stories, presumably like 148-150m.

Want to check into that Cul?

I think this tower has been extended.
Emporis has it at 46 stories, 142m

But the builders have it at 48 stories, presumably like 148-150m.

Want to check into that Cul?
That figure may include what's below ground as well.

Good news then.

How do u know this?

I presume because the Aldy Group have been involved in the marketing. They were also involved in Devine's Festival and Charlotte Towers projects in Brisbane and Victoria Point in Melbourne.

http://www.aldy.com.au/html/freedom.html

hm, good enogh reason.

Then in that case, Bylon, when will charlotte towers begin construction?

hm, good enogh reason.

Then in that case, Bylon, when will charlotte towers begin construction?

Late this year, according to Devine's half year report which was published in February this year.

I walked past the site today and they had two machines starting to dig the site up.

http://img273.echo.cx/img273/3472/monmary6wc.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

i love the design on this building. cant wait for it to start.

I think this tower has been extended.
Emporis has it at 46 stories, 142m

But the builders have it at 48 stories, presumably like 148-150m.

Want to check into that Cul?
ill recheck if you want. who are architects again?
also ill ask when it wil commence /

ill recheck if you want. who are architects again?
also ill ask when it wil commence /Architects are Angelo Nicolosi & Associates, the same firm that designed Willahra Apartments.

Out of the 367 apartments, over 60% have been sold.

Construction officially began last Thursday (as jellyman had seen on Friday) and it's earmarked for completion, Sept 2007.

thankx muse. ill try and get some info from angel0! si its started? ill have to add it to Brisbanes construction diagram. oops

well that was quick!! architects were very helpful and told me heights straight from plans.
old height was 140m,
NEW HEIGHT- 145M!! with 46 storeys

The height to roof is 140m with a 5m high central LMR.
For those intrested in RL's add 5m, thus 150mRL.
The architect confirmed early piling works have commenced with full swing by June!
ill add this to my diagram tonight.
cheers

Nice and large then. Should make quite an impact. Damn that block is going to be dense.

Very good. Will be clearly visible from southbank.

Nice and large then. Should make quite an impact. Damn that block is going to be dense.

They should ditch one of the small buildings and turn it into an open space.
Too dense makes it ugly.

I like density, keep em' coming!

They should ditch one of the small buildings and turn it into an open space.
Too dense makes it ugly.


You can never have too much density :carrot:

^ That is the truth.

If brisbane was just all buildings and canyons with no gaps....
Id be a happy man.

Dense like... your head!

Or so immature anti-development types say.

It makes it dirty and ugly if they're all just packed in.

I like density, but there comes a point when it becomes too much.

Yeah, but density is what makes a city great (New York, Chicago(well the loop anyway), Hong Kong, Chongquing etc.)

too much? unlikely.
The 'atmosphere' in dense cities is far greater than that in less dense cities.

This is a fact. As recognised by me. I made it a fact. Accept it.


......Dense like your head!

brother!

Density gives that "big city" feel. I like the density of Sydney's CBD.

Places like Singapore have a fair bit of open spaces mixed with density.
I like density though.
For example: Have you ever ssen pictures of the city from the botanic gardens or Roma street parklands?
The answer is obviousally yes. My point is, it looks better with the mix.
Particularly the Eagle street buildings look good. Waterfront place and all.

In response to Marty K. A city like Sydney,
(I say this in the least offensive way possible) is a little bit dirtier than Brissie.
Please don't kill me!

By the way, I think this should end now.
I'm touched I started a debate of which nobody else is on my side but we don't want another 3-page suburban mall argument, do we?

give jimmy a break, afterall its his opinion

guys ive added in Mon Mary to Brissys monthly construction diagrams. Things are looking up.Two more big ones to add soon will be 160m Skyline & 177m Domaine. thats 7 over 130m.resi boom is on its way

In response to Marty K. A city like Sydney,
(I say this in the least offensive way possible) is a little bit dirtier than Brissie.
Please don't kill me!

No offense taken mate :) And I never said that Sydney wasn't dirty or anything, just that I like its density :)

extra density is great, but I'd like the city to expand as well. There are heaps of buildings that are heritage listed about so it isn't like there is ever going to be too much density anyway.

I agree. Thanks Grantus.
Nice Avatar Cul.

Great news. Will there be a design change? Currently>
http://www.monmary.com.au/images/m-on-mary-tower.jpg

So all the skyscrapers on this block (Mary/George/Charlotte/Albert)would be: (did I miss any?)
111 George 145m
M on Mary 145m UC
Festival Tower 135m UC
Education House 105m
33 Charlotte 75m

^ I think thats about right.

gees, theres alot of em going up on that side of town, so there will be alot of density on its way. Keep em' rolling :)

^ That is the truth.

If brisbane was just all buildings and canyons with no gaps....
Id be a happy man.

id hate that.. that would make brisbane a soulless and dark hole. im all for tall buildings but not so many that they turn day into night. there should always be gaps to let light in. ive been up in Metropole Apartments and the views are no means fantastic. They have shutters on their balconies and windows on the floor so the govt building next door cant see in. is that what you would like in an exlusive city apartment? :bash:

Thank you!

I don't know brisbane's CBD to well (only from pictures) but if they want to build more buildings, where would they build them? I would think they would have to keep on densifying the city because in that one small area is where all the action is, so its a win loose senario.

a) Density wins
b) The CBD Boundaries are being extended along boundary road and main st on KP and so forthe (so it encompases KP, South bank, spring hill, etc) Which should allow, at first a small increase in the height limit.

There are also a lot of really small buildings that often get demolished to make way form something bigger.
Where did you get this info, Malt?

JayT posted it quite a while ago. I dont remember where..

And JayT hasnt been on for like a week.

yeah i read a bit about that CBD extension a while ago so thats good then to see that the hole city will be wider and bigger in general, considering that its really quite a small place to begin with

yeah i read a bit about that CBD extension a while ago so thats good then to see that the hole city will be wider and bigger in general, considering that its really quite a small place to begin with

Are you incinuating that Brisbane is a hole?

:jk:

^ lol nikko.

I gotta pick my words a bit better eh? :P

Since i have been on this forum i've had to look in dictionary's alot because i didn't realise how bad my spelling really was untill i had to type it where it counts.

But yeah brisbane i really love, and want to see more of, and actually I like it because of how its set out( being a heap of buildings in such a small area ) as well as its entertainment( me being a clubbin man and all :D )

I can't imagine how much bigger and denser it would be if it had as many buildings as melbourne or even sydney... but you'll prolly find though in the future that hubs will start coming about, so there will be multiple CBD's to share the buildings, and that the main CBD might only get a little bigger than what it is. which is not a bad thing :D

I think it would be better. Sort of like what New York did with Manhatten, Brooklyn etc.
Hopefully not that big though. It makes it dirty and full of bums.

Anyway, having tall building against tall building is pretty shocking. Council wouldn't allow it anyway.

^ yeah your right, a big place for some reason brings a dirty place...

I spose they wouldnt have tall buildings against tall buildings because as said earlyer by someone ( forgot who ) that theres alot of heritige listed buildings in the cbd that wont be knocked down..

The other problem with high density in a place like Brisbane and particularly M on Mary and Festival is that they are so close together that who is going to want to buy a unit in the back corner near the bottom of the towers if your view is of a carpark and you can shake the hand of your neighbour from your balcony when your neighbour is in another buiding!!!

^
Yeah that's a shame, I just wish they would design there building's a little better so they wouldnt have that problem...

.....

Look out your side window.

How far away is your neighbours house from you?

Closer than it would be in apartment buildings (in most cases).

Point being it makes no difference. Unless you live on large blocks of land/acerage/rural areas....

but at least with houses you can put a fence up or something, how far do u reckon the two buildings are apart? bout 25m balcony to balcony??

yeah i spose you have a point there malt

i wouldnt wanna buy an apartment that was shadowed by another, especially for the rent they charge.

i think the only tall buildings in brisbane you could build right beside is the back of the hitachi building and next door to metropole as they have no windows. Yuck! something to cover theyre ugly arses!

The state law building is reght next to another for about the first 10 levels.

i wouldnt wanna buy an apartment that was shadowed by another, especially for the rent they charge.

Hmm, I'm a crusader for a denser Brisbane, but livability factors (like yours) should be taken into account if we're apparently going down the Vancouver high-rise road.

Altough, I think I could make a few exceptions if there were good looking females in the next building.

LOL

I'm assuming you're a guy.

Hold on, let's not be so hasty about this assumption. I still have my doubts... :tongue2:

Yes FFS,... It's just so true what he said thats all :P

Anyhow, So what makes brisbane "apparently" on the way down Vancouver's road? In what way is that, with a few other things to say also?

Vancouver has loads of resi towers.

I'm assuming you're a guy.

No I'm a pretentious lesbian.
My Name's Xena, I like pumping iron and destruction derbys.


As for the Vancouver thing, seeing as high-rise residential seems to be the only buildings going up these days, it's true to say Brisbane is heading down the same path.

haha, I thought he was talking about me

And yeah, i looked at a few screenies after you mensioned it, and vancouver has got alot of res towers.. There isnt a great deal of height but they have alot of buildings.

I propose that I buy a vacant block / demolish something at South Bank or South Brisbane and build Brisbane's Bitchin'est Resi Tower.

I propose that I buy a vacant block / demolish something at South Bank or South Brisbane and build Brisbane's Bitchin'est Resi Tower.

dude, not at southbank, it will stand out like a wart on a dick! :bash:

dude, not at southbank, it will stand out like a wart on a dick! :bash:

hehe :lol:

Just wait though, the "upwardly mobile" are going to spread west across the river pretty soon.

^ hahahaha = thats true,
put one on Kangaroo Point (if theres room)

They were piling today (If piling is having a large drilling machine 'drilling' holes into the ground and inserting 'wire' into it... thats basically what i was watching them doing all day)

Cool, good to see some action on the site. I quite like the new render. I just hope the building actually turns out something like it.

theyve been piling for a coupla weeks now. I just failed to metion it

the old piling phase. very important bit. without it the tower would down.lol
amazing stats from Q1. it has 45 piles which are 2.4m dia and 45m deep!

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4540/q1piles3mw.jpg

Theyve been doing it all week.
Watching it all day from the building across the st.

How many do they put in? (It seems like alot)

Theyve been doing it all week.
Watching it all day from the building across the st.

How many do they put in? (It seems like alot)

they are piling around the boundary as far as im aware which will be for the retaining walls for the basement when they start digging.

^ That sounds right, they have been doing the perimetre

does anyone know that excavation of the basement has begun? excavators are dumping soil into semis and getting rid of the soil. i see trucks full of dirt go past all the time.

Charlotte towers has also begun this

yay

:)

Great! Get pics people!!

BTW Are there hoardings up yet?

There's a good shot of the site on the Festival Towers link- have a look at the real time pics (I think from River City lookinf down). Definately excavation going on!

Great! Get pics people!!

BTW Are there hoardings up yet?

nup not yet. they would only be in the way as its a small frontage. maybe when the hole gets deeper and a site office is needed

bump.

Anyone been past lately. I walked by about 1 month ago and they had built part of the carpark or core I think.

bump.

Anyone been past lately. I walked by about 1 month ago and they had built part of the carpark or core I think.

I don't think so. It is still a hole in the ground. They're just doing the foundations or digging out for the basement levels at the moment.

you can see a bit of the hole in Festivals webcam

http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

This seems like it might be another slowish one.

holes looking deep

how long has crane been on site?
http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

It must only be very recent.

^^
It has only been probably on Tuesday or Wednesday they put it up. I remember walking past Monday and not seeing it but seeing yesterday for the first time. Let me tell you also..... sh*t that hole is deep!!!

So this one is going ahead, good, I think it will be a great building, seeing renders in the Courier Mail Property guide, made me want to by a Unit in the Tower, but Im only 15 and working at Casual Rates, F**k. :sleepy:

A decent sized crane going up there this morning (Saturday). Is that the second? I couldn't get past the site to have a good look.

^ yes from webcam looks like big blue crane.
http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

This is the first crane but it is one of two that will go on the site. Both brand new Favco 220DX's which Hutchies have purchased to do this job.
The original crane was just a mobile sitting in the bottom of the hole to assist with the removal of spoil from the excavation works.

thanks mapps.

The core has begun. There is still the hole in the ground but the core has risen about 2 floors so it is probably at level Basement 1 or 2. Not sure how many levels are underground.

great. ill update diagrams for feb1

The Webcam aint working tonight? Can't see shit !!!!

must have turned it off. hasntr worked for a while. they needed to tilt it up if they were going to watch more progress on festival tower.bummer

bump

bump

I don't actually think there is much interest in Festival Towers at the moment. Also M'on Mary and Charlotte Towers arn't showing much interest of late. When I walk through the city I don't even look at them any more - they are really just fill and won't impact on the skyline at all.

Very mediocre towers IMO.

I guess that is why people arn't posting or taking pics - if they are like me then they don't care. I'm sure once Brisbane Square starts changing and Skyline starts rising from the ground there will be a bit more interest.

Its just these three buildings in the middle of the CBD are very un-interesting ATM.

^^^^
I don't agree with your reasoning why there are a lack of pictures - 2 of the 3 projects have only just started on construction of the actual tower, so taking loads of pictures would be quite pointless.

In the case of M on Mary, the web cam provided a better view of construction at the bottom of the pit than is able to be easily gotten in real life, so I never really bothered. I've taken quite a few pictures of Charlotte towers and Festival towers since September, as have other people, though this month I've been very busy with work and expending the effort/time hasn't been possible. I hope to collect take some this weekend however.....

While I'm not certain about Charlotte Towers, the other two I'm quite happy with and I certainly don't see them as mediocre.

i agree with their mediocrity and also lack of good photo op positions... if it wasnt such a hassel to get into position to get a good photo of any of them, then i would take more pictures... simple.

Yeah I kind of agree with Orfeo, but I can see JayT's point. Im a bit bored with Festival but looking forward to seeing the roof treatment, cos I see it from normanby 5 ways every morning and it does stick out from there, and once M on Mary and Charlotte get above ground I think the interest should increase. Of course, they arent as visible as BSquare or Skyline so they will be the most popular for 2006.

I think M on Mary will look hot once it starts getting up. Also when completed and when Vision is finished it will sought of complete and create a very nice Canyon down nearly the whole length of Mary St.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/328/img08183co.jpg

devines webcam clearly shows lots of progress at m on mary.

http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

bump, anyone seen something about mary?

Yeah, great movie :P

rofl.

Walked past it this morning and if I remember correctly it is at street level or just a touch higher now.

^
Yep, just above street level for the core and I'd say one level up on the basement levels from last month

thanks guys.i love mary.
http://images.amazon.com/images/G/covers/6/30/524/885/6305248850.l.gif

hopefully monmary will have similar lines and setbacks like Cdiaz. :)

^ OH Yes! God Yes!!

^^lol. I never did find out the name of that apartment tower down the road from Mary's townhouse (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=6288264#post6288264)

I read the comments above but any construction photos would be much appreciated. Squinting at the bottom corner of the Festival webcam just isn't sufficient. I mean look, you've got Cul crapping on about a tenously related movie. :D

^
I gave getting a pic a go when I was getting other shots last weekend, however until the building is above steet level it is difficult to get anything useful. Where I had taken images on the 29th of January is now covered with cloth, while with the carpark there is wire up which my camera fixates on. Another vantage from under Education House through the windows of the of the building between them (surprisingly good) was blocked off with workmen.

The best view unfortunately seems to be the FT cam.

Went past today and got some pics:

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/420/monmary00014xp.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4729/monmary00028hs.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6571/monmary00031yb.jpg

Sorry this next ones on the side (might change it later!!!)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2250/monmary00048hk.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8513/monmary00059il.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2420/monmary00069yf.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7553/monmary00073ce.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4093/monmary00072rc.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5970/monmary00090we.jpg

Thought there needed to be a bit of an update!!!

excellent! well done. progressing well.

Good on ya KJBrissy - see Orfeo, your just not trying hard enough :D

I didn't realise Hutchinson was bulding this. Here's an aerial from their website (M on Mary page (http://www.hutchinsonbuilders.com.au/projects/projectdisplay.asp?ID=1768)) It says completion is due September 2007

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9787/monmarys2nb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

wow, couldnt get a better picture.
cheers for that

Good on ya KJBrissy - see Orfeo, your just not trying hard enough :D

Clearly. ;)

Great update KBrissy.

Very small site. Good to see some progress.

This is the first crane but it is one of two that will go on the site. Both brand new Favco 220DX's which Hutchies have purchased to do this job.
The original crane was just a mobile sitting in the bottom of the hole to assist with the removal of spoil from the excavation works.

It's pretty hard to work out from the overhead shot where they could fit a second crane - given that the current one is in the centre of the site. Also, in view of the fact that Aurora has been constructed with just one crane for most of the project, I don't see the need for a second one on M on Mary.

The second crane will go on a steel grillage on approx ground floor slab once the building is out of the basements.
I think (from memory) it is to go either bottom right or bottom left of the pic shown in Oriolus's photo.
But thanks for questioning me on it, much appreciated - not!

how is this going guys? just updating monthly diagram.
cheers

I didn't get a pic, but when I walked past today, core was upto either level 2 or 3. Sorry, I didn't pay for attention for the diagram.

^ thats cool. an observation is just as good as a pic.
cheers

i wonder how long Devine will keep there webcam up for?.
its now handy for monmarys status
http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=

^^ They will probably just change it to the Charlotte towers web cam, all they need to do it turn it to the left a little...

To the right you mean. :)

Isn't Charlotte next to festival on the left? or is that M on Mary?

Thats M on Mary, Charlotte is further down Charlotte st to the right.

just updating may 1 diagrams. how high do you think monmary core is now? looks higher then festivals podium?, which = 6 levels? are floor plates now above grd also?

^^ I think so, they are about 1 floor or still ground. Yeah the core is the same as festivals podium, so that would be 6 floors.

I still can't figure out why Cambel is against Emerald i mean...he approved M on Mary and Emeralds design is 10x better! Both have a very small base, i just don't get it! maybe because of the land size of it, the BCC doesn't get as much tax on it??

A couple taken this afternoon.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/johnthay/photos/23apr06monmary1.JPG

http://home.iprimus.com.au/johnthay/photos/23apr06monmary2.JPG

thanks duke!

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2531/30040601695gr.th.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30040601695gr.jpg)
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/760/30040601707ul.th.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=30040601707ul.jpg)

ta malt

Is this building across the road from vision?

Is this building across the road from vision?

No, its on Mary Street just up from the Albert Street corner and behind Festival Towers.

has someone drawn on a aerial map of brissy where current projects and planned projects are located? that would be cool.

^^ It's in the Stickys at the top of the Brisbane section

any updates ? anything by june1 would be nice.
cheers

I should be able to check it out on the way to uni on Monday (Charlotte Towers aswell) Hopefully get a few pics

A couple from today, was in a bit of a rush so they aren't very good, but it might give you a bit of an idea:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/KJBrissy/BrisbaneMonMaryB.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h11/KJBrissy/BrisbaneMonMaryA.jpg

thanks
looks like 2 floors + 2 more in core.

core rise.yeah
http://devinewebcam.dyndns.tv/axis-cgi/jpg/image.cgi?camera=