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magmario

March 24th, 2011, 02:27 PM

The Philippine-based AirAsia Group's affiliate, AirAsia Inc, has picked Clark's Diosdado Macapagal International Airport as its hub in the country.

In a statement today, AirAsia Inc chief executive, Marianne Hontiveros, said the selection underlined the airline's commitment to developing transportation and tourism hubs outside Manila.

"This is part of its plan to contribute to the development of the country as a whole," she said.

She said the company planned to make Clark the hub for flights to popular destinations including Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, Thailand, South Korea and Japan.

"The company plans to start operating international flights from the airport in the fourth quarter of this year," she said. -- Bernama

Read more: AirAsia Inc picks Clark's airport as hub http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20110324193858/Article/index_html#ixzz1HWGMwbXv

:banana::banana:

makatiprime

March 24th, 2011, 02:55 PM

naloloko ang tao, yung domestic flights nila, yun ang kaabang abang...domestic tourism ang mas kailangan natin at domestic travels ang mas makaka angat sa pilipinas...

absinthe_888

March 24th, 2011, 06:59 PM

AirAsia picks Clark as hub in Phl (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=669418&publicationSubCategoryId=66)

By Mary Ann Ll. Reyes (The Philippine Star)
Updated March 25, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - AirAsia Inc., the Philippine-based affiliate of the AirAsia Group, has chosen Clark as its hub in the country.

The airline, which announced its set up last December, will be basing its operations at Clark’s Diosdado Macapagal International Airport. It plans to start operating international flights from the airport in the fourth quarter of this year.

“Our choice of Clark underlines the airline’s commitment to developing transportation and tourism hubs outside Manila. This is part of our plan to contribute to the development of the country as a whole. AirAsia Inc. is excited to start contributing to the economy of Clark and the rest of the country by boosting tourism and offering job opportunities to Filipinos,” AirAsia Inc. chief executive Marianne Hontiveros said.

Clark is strategically located just north of Manila and is easily accessible to 23 million people from the National Capital Region, Central and Northern Luzon. It is also where the airline’s sister company, Malaysia-based AirAsia Berhad, has been flying to and from Kuala Lumpur and Kota Kinabalu since 2005.

“We plan to make Clark the hub for flights to popular destinations including Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, Thailand, Korea and Japan. Travel will become much easier and more affordable for tourists and overseas Filipino workers,” Hontiveros added.

Hontiveros, along with Antonio Cojuangco Jr. and Michael Romero, own 60 percent of AirAsia, Inc. in equal partnership. The remaining 40 percent is owned by AirAsia Berhad.

With the announcement, Clark will become the 13th regional hub of the ASEAN-based AirAsia Group, which currently includes AirAsia Inc., AirAsia Berhad, AirAsia Thailand and AirAsia Indonesia. The group’s 12 current hubs are Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu, Kuching and Penang in Malaysia; Bangkok, Phuket and Chiang Mai in Thailand; and Jakarta, Bandung, Surabaya, Medan and Bali in Indonesia.

The opening of AirAsia Inc. is seen as a vote of confidence in the country’s growing economy and a big boost to the archipelago’s airline and tourism industries.

It will leverage on the strength of the AirAsia Group, which leads the low-cost airline industry in Asia.

The group has over 60 destinations in all 10 ASEAN countries, China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Australia.

Through the group’s low-cost long-haul affiliate AirAsia X, its guests are able to fly to more destinations in Australia, New Zealand, China, Taiwan, India, Iran, Korea, Japan, France and the UK. The AirAsia Group has a young fleet of approximately 90 Airbus A320 aircraft, while AirAsia X has a fleet of 11 Airbus A330 and A340 aircraft.

With the popularity of its low fares and extensive network of destinations, the AirAsia Group has flown more than 100 million passengers since its launch in 2001.

ruffaramboo

March 24th, 2011, 08:34 PM

kalbongdad

March 25th, 2011, 03:04 AM

wow salamat pangulong gloria....:lol::lol::lol: ganda airport infra dyan ano?

pi_malejana

March 25th, 2011, 05:53 AM

Clark Airport goes clean energy
PIA Press Release (http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=1&t=1&id=24063)
Thursday, March 24, 2011

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga, March 24 (PIA) - The Clark International Airport Corporation (CIAC) is set to implement an industry-defining project that will boost CIAC's mission to be the country's premiere international gateway airport and a competitive services and logistics hub in the Asia-Pacific Region.

CIAC and the Energy Logics Group (ELG) recently signed a memorandum of agreement (MOA) for the conduct of engineering and feasibility studies on Renewable Energy Systems within the properties of the 2,367-hectare Clark Civil Aviation Complex.

CIAC president and CEO Victor Jose I. Luciano and ELG president and CEO Marco Prieto Delgado signed the agreement that will pave the way for the establishment of Renewable Energy Systems within the aviation complex. Luciano said that, "The project would be beneficial to the development of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) since it is being geared as the country's premier international gateway."

Led by Delgado, ELG is one of the pioneers in renewable energy in the country and a staunch proponent of President Aquino's directive to create a long-term roadmap to harness renewable energy sources towards the Philippines' energy independence and security.

ELG is registered by the Department of Energy (DOE) under the Renewable Energy Act of 2009.

It has significant interests in wind, solar, hydro, bio-fuels, and biomass in the Philippines, Guam, Canada, and Latin America and is a member of the Transnational Diversified Group, a privately-held conglomerate with 30 operating companies in shipping, ship management, logistics, business process outsourcing, air and travel, and energy and has a workforce of 14,000.

ELG currently has the largest combined wind-solar pipeline in the Philippines, with a minimum of 420-MW in wind and 250-MW in solar.

It is set to ground-break the $300 million 120-MW Pasuquin East Project in Ilocos Norte on the 3rd quarter of 2011.

Total investments in energy infrastructure for the next 10 years is at least $1.23 billion.

ELG is driven by its commitment of delivering a strong corporate social responsibility program for its host communities.

A portion of its revenue shall be used to develop missionary electrification, education, job generation and entrepreneurship, environment, and community building.

The CIAC project, upon the initiative of Luciano, integrates renewable energy and energy efficiency systems within the airport facilities and is in line with the DOE's thrust towards developing distributed generation of clean energy as directed by DOE Secretary Jose Rene D. Almendras.

Buildings under the jurisdiction of the CIAC are expected to be more efficient and sustainable, and will make CIAC a model of carbon footprint reduction.

The flagship projects will be solar generation facilities on rooftops of existing and future terminals and hangars, initially envisaged to generate an estimated 1,200 megawatt hours per year.

Given the approval of the Board of Directors of CIAC, ELG shall immediately begin the feasibility studies and development of various sites within the CIAC area. (CLJD-PIA 3/CIAC)

kiretoce

March 26th, 2011, 09:31 AM

Why not CEBU? :bash::bash::bash::bash:

Well, lemme throw that question back, why not CRK? :|

majaba98

March 26th, 2011, 09:49 AM

Well, lemme throw that question back, why not CRK? :|

Why not what ?
Anyway, then why not both ?

kiretoce

March 26th, 2011, 09:57 AM

^^ He was huffin' and puffin' as to why so-called lowly CRK was chosen as AirAsia's Philippine hub over more prominent CEB.

majaba98

March 26th, 2011, 11:49 AM

^^ He was huffin' and puffin' as to why so-called lowly CRK was chosen as AirAsia's Philippine hub over more prominent CEB.

Thanks Kiretoce. So AAP will have their hub in Clark, but soon will also fly to Mactan.

aseantraveler

March 26th, 2011, 11:02 PM

http://www.facebook.com/AirAsiaPhilippines

Now we can communicate with AirAsia Philippines

majaba98

March 29th, 2011, 05:49 PM

Here comes the next study....

BusineesMirror.com.ph
MVP bares study to convert Clark into a natl and intl airport
TUESDAY, 29 MARCH 2011 20:14 LENIE LECTURA
THE Madrid-based Indra group has suggested that the former US Clark Air Base, now known simply as Clark, where the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) is located, be operated both as a domestic and international airport, similar to Japan’s Haneda and Narita airports, to service passengers coming from rural and urban areas.
This was revealed by Manuel V. Pangilinan, chairman of Metro Pacific Investments Corp. (MPIC) that commissioned Indra to do the feasibility study.

“It’s a two-airport model they [Indra] are suggesting, not dissimilar to Japan where Haneda is a city airport and Narita is a not-so-city airport or a rural airport so to speak. And the recommendation is for Clark to operate as both domestic and international airport, as well as to take care of the overflow traffic,” said Pangilinan. Clark is currently operated by the Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) under Victor Jose L. Luciano, its president and chief executive.

“We have some firm although not final conclusion from the study. We have offered to share the study with the government for them. It’s up to them to consider it and decide what to do. The direction or conclusion of that study is to keep Naia [Ninoy Aquino International Airport] as an operating airport and to open Clark as an overflow airport.”

He said Naia will reach its full capacity in three years. “So you will really need a new airport to catch the overflow and Clark appears to be the more viable alternative for that,” Pangilinan said.

But he also said Clark will need a high-speed train possibly to the central business district of Makati City so commuters will have a direct access going to the DMIA, which is being groomed as the next international gateway of the country.

The Indra study also covered the railway component of the airport project, Pangilinan said.  

Pangilinan met Luciano in January  to convey his interest to do business in Clark.

The CIAC official said there are no studies available yet to determine the scope of the railway-system project. But once established, its speed will be 300 kilometers per hour, which means it would take passengers just 34 minutes to travel from Metro Manila to the DMIA.  

“Mr. Pangilinan is sending his team here soon. He has big interest in this project and he really wants to be part of it. He wants it accelerated,” Luciano had said.  

MPIC and San Miguel Corp. (SMC) earlier announced that they were going to partner with a Filipino-Korean consortium led by Philco Aero, which earlier made an unsolicited proposal to construct a $177-million new terminal at the DMIA.

  The airport project, estimated to cost around $150 million, will be able to accommodate up to 10 million passengers a year when completed.

Business groups in Pampanga and Central Luzon have welcomed the move by MPIC and SMC.

 The airport project will complement the North Luzon Expressway-South Luzon Expressway connector road project that will be spearheaded by Metro Pacific Tollways Corp., a subsidiary of MPIC.

mwg12a

March 30th, 2011, 10:35 AM

Very sound analysis and Study I should say. This is more realistic. Now, as far as the highspeed rail. The best way to do it is to not keep it as a strictly airline passengers use because they would get low return in this area. It would definitely nearly impossible to connect NAIA to DMIA because it would pose more issues and confusion rather than complementing each other. But as far as DMIA being seen as a shock absorber for the overflow traffic sounds logical to me. Narita and Haneda co-exist, I don't see why both NAIA and DMIA can't do it as well. There are many cities with two major airports and it helps with the congestions.

Kintoy

March 30th, 2011, 11:14 AM

Yet another "study"

mas maraming pang studies kaysa flights

kalbongdad

March 30th, 2011, 01:15 PM

ganda ng dmia......salamat pgma....:)

majaba98

March 30th, 2011, 02:13 PM

Yet another "study"

mas maraming pang studies kaysa flights

Exactly !:nuts::nuts::nuts:

mwg12a

April 1st, 2011, 05:38 PM

Yet another "study"

mas maraming pang studies kaysa flights

Exactly !:nuts::nuts::nuts:

True, let's see how they would fare when AirAsia started their operatons there. I"m surprised that DMIA is not in top 10 or top 5 busiest airports in the Philippines and that is has not passed 500K passengers yearly still. It's all LCCs who benefit from DMIA.

Fraulein

April 1st, 2011, 05:45 PM

^^Of all passengers, majority are from international flights... :)

Kintoy

April 1st, 2011, 06:25 PM

if it werent for the seat sale and promos, nobody would pick Clark.

Fraulein

April 2nd, 2011, 07:55 AM

Spirit of Manila to launch flights between Macao, Philippines
(philstar.com) Updated April 02, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (2) View comments

MACAO (Xinhua) - A budget airline of Philippines has announced a new route between Macao and Clark International Airport, the Macao Post Daily reported yesterday.

The newspaper quoted the airline, namely Spirit of Manila Airlines, as saying that the inaugural flight will take off from Clark to Macao on April 17. The airport lies about 90 kilometers from Manila.

Flights have been scheduled twice a week on Mondays and Fridays, departing from Macao International Airport at 8 a.m. to international airport in the Clark Special Economic Zone, according to the airline.

Each flight will take approximately an hour and forty-five minutes and the MD 83 aircraft flying the route has a capacity of 165 passengers.

Spirit of Manila Airlines, which was established in 2008, said it hoped to promote travel between Philippines and Macao and expand its route network to Hong Kong, Thailand, Japan and selected cities in Chinese mainland.

patlite_boy

April 2nd, 2011, 01:36 PM

^^2009 pa na announced na itong Macau na to ha?:ohno:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-98146-p-14.html

whippersnapper

April 3rd, 2011, 08:01 PM

dami talagang mga negative....

nayki

April 4th, 2011, 07:43 AM

When i we went to Hongkong for vacation last year i choose Clark because it has cheaper fare that time. Even its around 80km+ plus from Manila it appeared to be cheaper subtracting our expenses for fuel and tollgate fees going to Clark given we are 4 in company. Travell time from Manila to Clark only took 45mins to 1 hour, same time when we travel HongKong International airport to their Main CBD taking the Bus.

If we olny have an efficient railway from MM to Clark, Clark will surely be the gateway of the future for Manila and Luzon.

makatiprime

April 4th, 2011, 07:51 AM

ang spirit of manila may 3 747, tininga lang ata ni madame gloria....iba na talaga pag diversified, si marcos nga nasa kay lucio tan pinahawak....

pi_malejana

April 4th, 2011, 08:10 AM

^^ SOMA may 747??:dunno:

When i we went to Hongkong for vacation last year i choose Clark because it has cheaper fare that time. Even its around 80km+ plus from Manila it appeared to be cheaper subtracting our expenses for fuel and tollgate fees going to Clark given we are 4 in company. Travell time from Manila to Clark only took 45mins to 1 hour, same time when we travel HongKong International airport to their Main CBD taking the Bus.

If we olny have an efficient railway from MM to Clark, Clark will surely be the gateway of the future for Manila and Luzon.

mabilis pala ah...:okay: pwede po bang malaman kung saan sa manila kayo galing??:)

:cheers:

_zner_

April 4th, 2011, 08:19 AM

Surprisingly, mabilis lang ang biyahe from Megamall to Clark. It took us like an hour and a half to get there via Philtranco.

kingdiz_55

April 4th, 2011, 09:36 AM

In my opinion, the gov't would be spending more on upgrading CRK rather than upgrading MNL.Look at it this way: train lines, runways, terminals, and taxiways pa ang kailangan i-construct para matapos ang upgrade. Samantalang sa MNL reclain ng land then build, ok na. It's also much more convenient for travelers going to/from the capital.

pi_malejana

April 4th, 2011, 09:46 AM

^^ it's not just about Clark anyway... the government has expressed its desire to move the main airport away from the city confines for decades, be it Sangley, Clark, or Taguig... out of the three, CRK seems to be the best choice and this is supported by the recent JICA study.... for DMIA, there are already two parallel runways present (albeit only one is in really good condition)... you already have SCTEX, NLEX, and the skyway... investors are also willing to finance the construction of new terminals and a high speed line so the means are there, it's up to the government to decide...

as for MNL, it still has a lot of years ahead of it (T3 is not even fully utilized yet)... but passenger movements are increasing yearly, we're already approaching the 30 million mark based on CAAP data so it won't be long before Manila becomes congested... also i don't know what you mean by "reclaim"... un ba ung old nayong pilipino park??

this too is my opinion...:2cents:

:cheers:

le Reine

April 4th, 2011, 09:48 AM

^^I'm just wondering how the gov't was able to make the passenger arrivals in Clark to 500,000 in just a short time and yet they can't double or even raise it substantially again this time...

pi_malejana

April 4th, 2011, 09:57 AM

^^I'm just wondering how the gov't was able to make the passenger arrivals in Clark to 500,000 in just a short time and yet they can't double or even raise it substantially again this time...

for the record naman, nakalagay duon sa DMIA website na ang passenger traffic sa 2010 ay naglalaro ng 600 to 650 thousand... di ko lang alam kung anu ang mas tama sa kanila ng CAAP...

but you raise a good point... maganda sana kung around 1 milllion na by now, kaso mukhang nag-stabilize ung increase...:D

le Reine

April 4th, 2011, 10:13 AM

^^Yun nga eh. There must be something that they did previously that stopped it from happening again. That I still have to check being the "chismosa" that I am. :lol:

pi_malejana

April 4th, 2011, 10:24 AM

^^ baka naman kasi si PNoy na presidente... hehe joke!:lol:

anyway... ASIANA airlines using the aerobridge..:D

IHEoMd8V_Yg
from kurapica (as usual :D)...

le Reine

April 4th, 2011, 10:29 AM

^^ baka naman kasi si PNoy na presidente... hehe joke!:lol:Kaw talaga, laki galit mo kay PNoy. :lol: Now they've implemented pocket open skies. I hope it'll be a big boost.

nicoutilities

April 4th, 2011, 10:59 AM

^^I'm just wondering how the gov't was able to make the passenger arrivals in Clark to 500,000 in just a short time and yet they can't double or even raise it substantially again this time...

Oo nga ano? Baka naman dahil sa limitations ng current local infrastructures? And siguro dahil Angeles City is not exactly a fully-fledged tourist destination in itself. (pero I don't know, wala po akong basis)

Kintoy

April 4th, 2011, 11:08 AM

easy. because nobody wants to travel 80 kilometers just to get to a so-so airport.

mwg12a

April 4th, 2011, 11:32 AM

easy. because nobody wants to travel 80 kilometers just to get to a so-so airport.

Its not really that, sure, nobody wants to travel 80 KM especially when coming from the heart of greater Manila area. It's the fact that NAIA is still pretty much operational and that the airline companies, especially the legacy carriers cannot be convinced to start their service in clark. ASIANA alone service NAIA daily while DMIA has limited service per week. It's hard to attract the market when there is this main gateway in Manila.

In my opinion, the gov't would be spending more on upgrading CRK rather than upgrading MNL.Look at it this way: train lines, runways, terminals, and taxiways pa ang kailangan i-construct para matapos ang upgrade. Samantalang sa MNL reclain ng land then build, ok na. It's also much more convenient for travelers going to/from the capital.

The government does not have much choice because of the NAIA T3 fisco. They are screwed because of these. They do have to let T3 operational and be able to pay frapport which would take years to repay and is expected to remain this way. Had Fidel Ramos initiated the development of Clark instead of building T3 DMIA would have been enjoying rapid increase in passenger activities. It's been over 5 years, DMIA still garnered 500K passengers yearly instead of 1Million goal they were wishing to achieve 5 years ago also.

Kintoy

April 4th, 2011, 11:53 AM

it's hard to attract a market who doesnt want an airport that's as far as the bundok of Tralala.

people who would want to use Clark are the people who got their tickets on piso fare

kingdiz_55

April 4th, 2011, 01:06 PM

also i don't know what you mean by "reclaim"... un ba ung old nayong pilipino park??

Yes. That is what I meant along with the other structures to the right of rwy 06.

easy. because nobody wants to travel 80 kilometers just to get to a so-so airport.

EXACTLY!

Oo nga ano? Baka naman dahil sa limitations ng current local infrastructures?

This is another issue. They built a terminal that is incredibly small. Yes, I know what you're thinking: "Not many people use the airport, so why invest on a bigger, better terminal?" But my question to you is: "Why not?" If they spent a little more money on a better terminal, more airlines might have been attracted since there would have been less congestion, AND better facilities, PLUS, they'd have a little more room in the airport meaning that there'd still be more time before the airport would need any upgrading... But sadly, that isn't the case.

people who would want to use Clark are the people who got their tickets on piso fare

Yes. However, the money they saved on airline tickets went on bus tickets (or) gasoline, food, and the fact that you have to leave home much earlier.

angeliteNurse2010

April 4th, 2011, 05:21 PM

Kintoy

April 4th, 2011, 05:32 PM

yes according to masterplan, feasibility studies, survey, plano, wishful thinking, bolang kristal, tarot cards, tea leaves, feasibility studies uli, more feasibility studies, another master plan which will be delivered by a non-existent high-speed rail, which will be augmented by a 50-kph Northrail na hindi pa din tapos hanggang ngayon, which eventually magiging bullet train, according to the masterplan and feasibility studies.

angeliteNurse2010

April 4th, 2011, 07:17 PM

^^^ok...but bottomline here is DMIA will be our future main airport replacing NAIA wether we like it or not.maybe not in the term of present government but definitely it will push through.i understand how others feel towards clark esp those who will come from south. yes,who would want to travel 80kms more when you can pick/drop at NAIA.but let's face it,NAIA can no longer expand and the more we expand NAIA the lesser efficiency it will become. this so-called "SO-SO" airport that our fellow is pertaining could be our chance to show to the world that 'hey,our airports are not so-so and it's even better than yours". peace!

majaba98

April 4th, 2011, 11:23 PM

You guys are forgetting one vital problem with Clark. Why was Clark suddenly open to public transportation ? Remember ? Because there was a volcano eruption that devastated the whole airport complex and due to that occasion the US military decided to quit the base (it was running out of schedule soon too).

What I mean to say : this airport is too close to a volcano and causes a realistic threat to aviation matters.

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 01:52 AM

What I mean to say : this airport is too close to a volcano and causes a realistic threat to aviation matters.

This reminds me of the European volcano fiasco a while back.

magmario

April 5th, 2011, 04:02 AM

I think this is not anymore about what is cheaper but being proactive about our nation's future.

If you look at our airports or other government institutions, there are signs that are made of papers marked by pentel pens. Such things illustrates the paradox of saving. It seems to those people who do that that they are able to save money. However, they fail to realize that they open themselves to a mediocre kind of life and to a possibility that some people can steal their available money from them.

That is the case for the Philippines. We save too much on available resources but our savings go to corruption and inefficient use of money. We fail to realize that in making sure we use the money the best way possible, we allot it to its best possible use.

DMIA's full development doesn't mean we abandon NAIA. It means we are just accepting the fact that there will be an overflow in air traffic that NAIA will not be able to handle.

DMIA's market will not be solely those who use NAIA but mostly people from Northern Luzon and new markets that have not yet entertained going into the Philippines because of infrastructure constraints.

The Philippine Economy still has a long way to go. Let's say our potential really is to have 100 investors and currently we have 50. We can't go beyond 50 because there's no way they can get in here because of lack in infrastructure. Opening up a new gate can allow us to let those additional 50 investors to participate. To let them participate, they still should get through a gate that will connect them not alienate them from the center of business activity which is Manila.

I'm really for two airports working together.

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 04:21 AM

I'm good with DMIA being developed, don't get me wrong. My point is that DMIA will replace NAIA in 2025 even though we haven't exercised all the available options in which to completely utilize our current airport. There is still so much room for improvement, and development infrastructure wise. All we need is for PNoy to wave his magic wand.

magmario

April 5th, 2011, 04:34 AM

^^ agree. i think looking at the aerial view above, i think we can demolish NAiA 1 and then extend the domestic side of NAIA 2 towards it. That way, we can have a bigger terminal and a monorail connecting it to terminal 4 and terminal 3 will be easier to construct. what do you guys think?

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 04:55 AM

I think I have the solution!

http://i55.tinypic.com/s6omyu.jpg

magmario

April 5th, 2011, 05:10 AM

^^ and that is?

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 05:16 AM

and that is?

If you haven't noticed, NAIA suddenly had a third runway, and a new taxiway to the left of rwy 13/31

sonnyville

April 5th, 2011, 05:57 AM

If you haven't noticed, NAIA suddenly had a third runway, and a new taxiway to the left of rwy 13/31

lol... hmm dunno about this one. baka wing tip to wing tip na ang mga planes. but nice try. the map just shows how congested the area around the airport is and there is nothing we can do about that. population growth and urbanization. i failed to notice the changes at first, i thought... uhh.. yung highway ba ang proposal mong bagong runway? it could work. planes have landed on highways before. just not on a regular basis. lol

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 06:10 AM

baka wing tip to wing tip na ang mga planes

Notice the size of the planes in T1 and then compare them to the runways distance between each other. Note that you can probably fit 2 744s ext to each other between the two runways.

pi_malejana

April 5th, 2011, 06:25 AM

^^ you need a taxiway in between cause based on your drawing a plane will still need to cross 6L in order to get to the ramp, not very efficient...

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 07:50 AM

I beg to differ. Planes can always hold short of runway 06L. It wouldn't really delay the plane for a long time since an airplane taking off or landing would a) not take much time (2-4 mins) and b) if two planes are landing consecutively, their distancing would be more than enough for a plane to cross the runway

pi_malejana

April 5th, 2011, 07:54 AM

but i thought the goal was to increase capacity??:dunno: those 2-4 mins add up if there are tens of planes trying to land/takeoff...

majaba98

April 5th, 2011, 08:19 AM

I think I have the solution!

http://i55.tinypic.com/s6omyu.jpg

As aircraft would only land and take off on both runways shifted to each other and not parallel, there would not be any interference with a missing taxiway.

In my opinion this solution would definitely help decongest NAIA and make it sufficient for another 10 years before DMIA has all the infrastructure needed to run as primary airport for the country.

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 08:31 AM

but i thought the goal was to increase capacity??:dunno: those 2-4 mins add up if there are tens of planes trying to land/takeoff...

A)By the time an aircraft lines up for taking off, the other would have already been able to cross the runway. B)Final approach separation is enough for an aircraft to easily cross over a runway.

pi_malejana

April 5th, 2011, 08:51 AM

yeah i get what you're trying to say now...:yes:

KnightOfTheFlag

April 5th, 2011, 12:32 PM

Metrojet to put up facility in Clark
(philstar.com) Updated April 05, 2011 05:38 PM Comments (0) View comments

MANILA (Xinhua) – A leading business aviation firm in Asia is putting up a 40-million U.S. dollars maintenance, repair and overhaul facility in Clark, sending a strong signal to the international community that the Philippines is ready to play a central role in the global aviation industry.

Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa Jr. said Tuesday that Metrojet, which owns a fleet of 26 aircraft of various types and capacities, will set up the facility in a three-hectare property inside the Clark Airport Complex in Pampanga.

“The President has announced that the country is open for business, and the decision of Metrojet to set up a shop in Clark is proof that foreign investors are listening,” Ochoa said.

Metrojet, a part of Kadoorie Group which owns China Light and Power Company and the Peninsula Hotel Chain, is scheduled to begin construction of the project in June and start operations by the end of the year in Clark.

It will offer a range of services such as aircraft charter, comprehensive aircraft management, maintenance, co-ownership programs, aircraft acquisition and sales. The aviation firm's proposed heavy maintenance for Clark will also include avionics upgrade and exterior paint work for aircraft.

Secretary Ramon Carandang of the Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning Office (PCDSPO) credited government efforts “to improve aviation, to remove many of the restrictions on foreign carriers, to address the technical and safety issues raised by the FAA and the European aviation actions to ensure that it [Philippines] becomes a viable place for investments.”

“That investment by Metrojet is another sign that people are ready and willing to invest in Philippine aviation, even if we're still in the process of improving the situation," Carandang said.

He said that the issuance of Executive Order 29 on the implementation of the open skies policy may be "one of the factors " that might have contributed to Metrojet's decision.

"I think the business community sees that our efforts are serious. I would say that that's kind of a vote of confidence for the efforts that we're undertaking," Carandang said.

nayki

April 5th, 2011, 01:53 PM

^^ SOMA may 747??:dunno:

mabilis pala ah...:okay: pwede po bang malaman kung saan sa manila kayo galing??:)

:cheers:

Sa sampaloc kami galing, no trafic in A.bonifacio that time kasi early morning kami umalis so pag pasok ko ng NLEX Balintawak i just maintained 100kph in NLEX, took a short distance in SCTEX, in less than an Hour nasa DMIA na kami. Tito ko na nag uwi ng sasakyan then nag pasundo na lang kami ulit after 5 days sa DMIA din. That time sabi ko feasible talaga ang Clark na future main gateway ng Luzon IMO,tingin ko kahit simpleng BRT from MM to Clark uubra na for the mean time habang wala pang efficient Railway in place.

nayki

April 5th, 2011, 02:00 PM

Kung matutuloy iyong NLEX-SLEX connector road in MVP in near future mas lalo bibilis ang byahe to DMIA from MM.

nayki

April 5th, 2011, 02:06 PM

Another observation of mine is mas swabe ang Take off at landing sa DMIA compared to NAIA for larger aircrafts, mas mahaba kasi ang run way ng DMIA by far compared to NAIA.

bitoy

April 5th, 2011, 02:10 PM

^^ "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing." :D

Nung CAB pa yan, tumatalbog kami pag landing, sabay liko sa tarmac. :lol:

pi_malejana

April 5th, 2011, 04:24 PM

^^ anu anu ba yung mga dating planes (US) na nagagawi sa clark??:)

regarding the Metrojet investment: that's another piece of good news!!:okay:

:cheers:

Kintoy

April 5th, 2011, 05:25 PM

Kung matutuloy iyong NLEX-SLEX connector road in MVP in near future mas lalo bibilis ang byahe to DMIA from MM.

operative word:"kung matutuloy" :lol::nuts::ohno:

kingdiz_55

April 5th, 2011, 06:12 PM

I think matutuloy talaga cya since bidding is already underway. At least this is from my understanding.

Kintoy

April 5th, 2011, 06:16 PM

kailangan pa ng isa pang feasibility study

angeliteNurse2010

April 5th, 2011, 07:07 PM

^^^^^wla lang,mejo OT lang toh pero dahil napapagusapan about skyway..nakita ko dati sa skyway thread toh.no better/feasible proposals were presented other than MVP's.no doubt na kung matutuloy talaga toh cause it will compliment NLEX since it is under MVP's control.

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx111/radmeltdown/skyway/Image809.jpg

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx111/radmeltdown/skyway/Image810.jpg
^^ MNTC survey along the PNR ROW. Is this the start of Skyway stage 3? :banana::banana:

bitoy

April 5th, 2011, 07:42 PM

^^ anu anu ba yung mga dating planes (US) na nagagawi sa clark??:)

You can name a lot of them. From the Vietnam era until it closed down in 1991, maraming na charter na commercial planes at yung mga na-divert ang dumaan sa Clark. Pati na yung fictitious CIA airline. :lol:

b_two

April 5th, 2011, 08:45 PM

the first time i went to clark (early 80's) i saw flying tigers and pan-am jumbo jets.

nicoutilities

April 6th, 2011, 04:57 AM

This is another issue. They built a terminal that is incredibly small. Yes, I know what you're thinking: "Not many people use the airport, so why invest on a bigger, better terminal?" But my question to you is: "Why not?" If they spent a little more money on a better terminal, more airlines might have been attracted since there would have been less congestion, AND better facilities, PLUS, they'd have a little more room in the airport meaning that there'd still be more time before the airport would need any upgrading... But sadly, that isn't the case.

No no. I actually agree with you on that one. I was just referring to infrastructure such as roads, hotels, railways in metro angeles. I think our city is not prepared to take the brunt of the passenger arrivals in clark and sadly i'm beginning to think that our city is the bottleneck.

bitoy

April 6th, 2011, 05:46 AM

No no. I actually agree with you on that one. I was just referring to infrastructure such as roads, hotels, railways in metro angeles. I think our city is not prepared to take the brunt of the passenger arrivals in clark and sadly i'm beginning to think that our city is the bottleneck.

Kelangan na talagang baguhin ang mga main roads sa Angeles papuntang Clark.

kingdiz_55

April 6th, 2011, 06:01 AM

Kelangan na talagang baguhin ang mga main roads sa Angeles papuntang Clark.

Yes. And they need to do this before 40-floor high rises kick in. This is what actually happened to Manila, IMO. There was a surge in development and room for infrastructure improvement was not taken into account.

mwg12a

April 6th, 2011, 09:29 AM

dami negative about clark ahh..anyways wether u like it or not,DMIA will still be our primiere gateway in the future once NAIA T3 achieved its full capacity.and why the fuss make a big deal about the present terminal of DMIA?fyi lang,according to the masterplan another terminal that is gigantic and EXPANABLE-INTEGRATED (unlike NAIA's t1-3) will be built by the investors and therefore MOST (if not all) of NAIA's bulk of passengers will be going to DMIA. and about the distance to metro Manila,i guess that's where the BULLET TRAIN comes in-iba pa ang PNR that is bound for clark also.ung iba jan kung manggagaling ng south,might as well took the PNR or better yet,the bullet train instead going all the way to clark and pay for the gasoline, foods and toll fees,right?34 mins lang nasa clark kana.tska not everyday naman eh gumagamit kayo ng airport,right?wag nyo ako awayin dito peeps ah.=) peace tayo.

Did you not read the previous post and the latest article about DMIA??? They do have to keep NAIA for obvious reasons and obligations of the government while its still in their hand. The government's plan to transfer NAIA operations to a private sector would mean they would have to leave NAIA operational for the longest time. This is why the mentioned that DMIA will act as and "overflow" airport. I can see to it that the government's hands are tied behind them because they cannot deliver the right roat infrastructure including the rail system. Granted that Pangilinan's dream of high speed rail system has been expressed a dozen times. The government would still be needing to find a good way to reach DMIA faster. We always count 83 kilometers as our sole baseline for the distance. We keep on forgetting that that 83 km starts from Balintawak only and not further south of the greater Manila and Calabarzon areas where the greater concetration of population is. Its nice to have a speed rail system that could start from Makati and BGC area but surely there would be those who would want to be driven to the airport and not hail into a transit system. We also have to attract the highrollers and if the facility isn't there, along with the market , political stability, safety and the right investment atmosphere, it would be tough to get a retun on investments with speed rail that would solely cater for airline passengers only, simply because the so called "yield" isn't there such as terminals with over 50 million passengers yearly. We have to realize that the Philippines isn't Japan, Korea or HK. especially when there are way too many "pasaways" in the Philippines who does not follow simple rules , lacks order and discipline.

Here comes the next study....

[B]BusineesMirror.com.ph
MVP bares study to convert Clark into a natl and intl airport
TUESDAY, 29 MARCH 2011 20:14 LENIE LECTURA
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“It’s a two-airport model they [Indra] are suggesting, not dissimilar to Japan where Haneda is a city airport and Narita is a not-so-city airport or a rural airport so to speak. And the recommendation is for Clark to operate as both domestic and international airport, as well as to take care of the overflow traffic,” said Pangilinan. Clark is currently operated by the Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) under Victor Jose L. Luciano, its president and chief executive.

“We have some firm although not final conclusion from the study. We have offered to share the study with the government for them. It’s up to them to consider it and decide what to do. The direction or conclusion of that study is to keep Naia [Ninoy Aquino International Airport] as an operating airport and to open Clark as an overflow airport.”

Kintoy

April 6th, 2011, 09:59 AM

dati i-rename ang Clark to Madam Auring International Airport, kasi puro sablay ang prediction na maging premier airport

mwg12a

April 6th, 2011, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by kingdiz_55
This is another issue. They built a terminal that is incredibly small. Yes, I know what you're thinking: "Not many people use the airport, so why invest on a bigger, better terminal?" But my question to you is: "Why not?" If they spent a little more money on a better terminal, more airlines might have been attracted since there would have been less congestion, AND better facilities, PLUS, they'd have a little more room in the airport meaning that there'd still be more time before the airport would need any upgrading... But sadly, that isn't the case.

How we all wish that building a bigger and better terminal is the way to do it to attract airline companies to operate or serve a certain destination. Sadly, what dictates the increase in service would be the atmosphere outside the terminal building. Foreign investors come into Singapore for instance because of the stable economy, better atmosphere for investments and the market is very attractive to business people especially if we have the technology to offer where foreign investors would really jump in and take these to their own homeland. Sadly, those areas are lacking in the Philippines. We are just fortunate enough that atleast the tourism industry is still showing sings of growth in midst of past events. Remember? insurgency, negative impression on the Philippine goverment, safety issues and the latest wrinkle with China and Taiwan, together with the German Frapport issue... Most airport management build their terminal according to the projected increase. This is why DMIA's extension is built the way it is(which by the way, is still beautiful IMO). That 500k passenger mark seems to be stagnant so it is really unwise to build a terminal that humongous because you don't want to turn it into another white elephant or be under utilized. Like I've mentioned above, with the continued operations in NAIA, particularly T3 and the plan of privatization of it, we can expect that NAIA is there to stay. This is what the Pangilinan camp is starting to see, DMIA will serve as na overflow airport, as very similar scenario with Tokyo Narita airport and Haneda Airport. Why do we think Kuwait investors begged the Arroyo government to agree on no other international airport within 80 mile radius outside Angeles City? They are all seing the same scenario where for some reason, alot of these filipino experts can't see or just now starting to realize. There maybe a slight tone of negativity on my statement but somehow, the reality is there. What would be great is if Pangilinan, as good as he is in business should buy NAIA and DMIA from the government.

pinas4real

April 7th, 2011, 01:58 AM

Aviation firm to invest $40 million in Clark facility
(The Philippine Star) Updated April 07, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (1) View comments

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=66&articleId=673687#comments

MANILA, Philippines - A leading business aviation firm in Asia is putting up a $40-million maintenance, repair and overhaul facility in Clark, sending a strong signal to the international community that the Philippines is ready to play a central role in the global aviation industry.

Executive Secretary Paquito N. Ochoa Jr. said Metrojet, which owns a fleet of 26 aircraft of various types and capacities, will set up the facility in a three-hectare property inside the Clark Airport Complex, citing a report by Transportation and Communications Secretary Jose De Jesus to President Aquino.

Metrojet, a part of Kadoorie Group which owns China Light and Power Co. and the Peninsula Hotel Chain, is scheduled to begin construction of the project in June and commence operations by the end of the year in Clark, a former US air base which is now home to commercial, industrial and hotel businesses.

It will offer a range of services such as aircraft charter, comprehensive aircraft management, maintenance, co-ownership programs, aircraft acquisition and sales. The aviation firm’s proposed heavy maintenance for Clark will also include avionics upgrade and exterior paint work for aircraft.

“The President has announced that the country is open for business, and the decision of Metrojet to set up a shop in Clark is proof that foreign investors are listening,” Ochoa said.

Total investment for the entire project of Metrojet is $40 million, with an initial investment of $4 million.

In his report to the President, De Jesus said Metrojet announced its plan to develop the aviation repair and maintenance facility in the strategically located Clark Airport Complex during the Asian Aerospace Conference in Hong Kong last March.

“Our government is focused on assuring investors that we are serious about undertaking reforms that will make it attractive for them to invest in the country. These include efforts to provide a level playing field for businessmen and guaranteeing them a government that is consistent with its policies and is faithful to the rule of law,” Ochoa explained.

“This is a welcome development that underscores the inroads we are making in the area of economic and infrastructure development, one of the four clusters this administration is focused on,” he added. The other three clusters are human development, good governance, and security, sovereignty and the rule of law.

mwg12a

April 7th, 2011, 02:33 AM

^^ I think this would be a bad timing for that following that incident and finding on Southwest Airlines who has been outsourcing their fleet's maintenaces to third world countries. I remember a couple of years ago, Qantas or some aussies are looking towards the Philippines and other countries they have been sending their fleets for maintenace after that accident concerning that big openning on it's fuseladge that resulted to an emergency landing of one of their airbus fleets that originated in HK .

nayki

April 7th, 2011, 02:37 AM

operative word:"kung matutuloy" :lol::nuts::ohno:

Hopefully matuloy/matapos.. i think tapos na iyong phase 1 from mindanao exit in NLEX to mcArthur Highway...

majaba98

April 7th, 2011, 07:17 AM

Kintoy

April 7th, 2011, 10:28 AM

puro render

whippersnapper

April 8th, 2011, 07:52 PM

patlite_boy

April 8th, 2011, 10:22 PM

^^matwa nala siguru ne.:lol:

Kintoy

April 8th, 2011, 11:23 PM

madam auring feasibility airport

bitoy

April 8th, 2011, 11:35 PM

cabalen, wag mo pansinin yang sina Bitoy at Kintoy, wala alam sabhin yan kundi negative... tingnan mo kung ano ano na lang sinasabi, wala namang kwenta mga post nila, siguro ganun din sila..kung ayaw nila sa dmia, manigas sila...mamatay sa inggit... utak talangka mga yan..basta ang importante madaming nagiinvest sa clark.. wala na sila pakialam dun...kung ano man ang developments sa clark, hindi na nila mapipigilan un.. naiinip lang mga yan kasi baka d na nila abutan..

:lol: I have nothing against the developments in Clark, hanggan mamatay ako, Clark pa rin ang tawag ko diyan. Baka hindi ka pa pinanganganak, ginagamit na namin yan Clark Air Base nuon pa.

Mas walang kuwenta yang pinagsasabi mo. Get over it, move on.

mwg12a

April 9th, 2011, 02:51 AM

naku ayaw na ayaw ng ilan dito pag may nabangit kang hindi pabor sa bag build up ng image ng DMIA kahit tutoo, hindi ba kung ano anong negative attack sa akin tapos bandang huli ang sinabi ko pareho din ng sinabi at findings ng Manny Pangilinan camp. Kaya nanalo ang "I told you so" comment mo... ha ha

I don't know, sometimes when someone raised a good point, other forummers here take it as if you hated DMIA and does not approve of it. I know kintoy oppose to it because of his personal reason. It's too far for him and I can respect that. I don't mind DMIA becoming a major gateway in the Philippines or Luzon but if you use the analysis of what is realistic and what is not, what's wrong in expressing it and help other people understand facts? Hindi naman puedeng maging Juan mapangarap tayo lagi kung kulang sa gawa gaya ni Juan tamad....

bitoy

April 9th, 2011, 04:33 AM

^^ lahat naman gusto gumanda ang Pinas. Ilagay lang talaga sa ayos ang mga plano at projects. I agree we need Clark dahil kung meron mangyari sa NAIA duon ma di-vert ang mga eroplano kaysa sa Cebu. kahit na walang planong high speed train, kung maayos lang ang freeways na katulad sa US, makararating ang mga pasahero sa tamang oras.

mwg12a

April 9th, 2011, 05:36 AM

problema kase ang basis from balintawak to clark lang sa 82 KM na yan, paano ang nasa ibang lugar? Although, yuong planned C5 or connection between SLEX at NLEX, a welcome addition kase nga bibilis ang biyahe kailangan pa rin ng mas maiging connection at alternative roadways para mabawasan ang congestion, I understand that Metro Manila is overly populated kaya mahirap ang planong ito dahil siguro may mga portions na kailangan i-relocate ang mga residences at business establishments para magkaroon ng ideal road plans. gaya ng nasabi ko, okay lang kung may rail service pero alam natin na marami pa rin ang mas gustong gumamit ng kalye dahil kung ang rail system ay pang airport passengers use only, hindi kikita ang mga investors nito dahil sa mahal ng presyo ng mga speed rail systems na ito. Sa china kaya magaling ang urban planing, kahit i relocate ang mga occupants sa balak na road construction ginagawa nila, sa filipinas malabo ito dahil hindi masyado open ang mga filipino sa relocation at the same time, I am not sure if the Philippine government would compensate those who would be affect fairly. Usually, hindi ideal ang relocation ng mga ito gaya ng mga squatters.

bitoy

April 9th, 2011, 06:14 AM

^^ With proper justification and right usage of taxes, magagawan ng paraan yan. Until walang tiwala ang mga tao sa pamahalaan dahil sa mga nabubulgar na katiwalaan, walang mangyayari nga. Sample na lang natin ang LAX, ang laking problema ng city planners din nuon kung papano dumami ang freeways para makarating sa mga airports around LA County from different counties. Yung mga kaibigan ko sa San Diego, ayaw sa airport nila, they would rather drive a couple of hours to get to LAX to go back home to Pinas. If they have to stay in a hotel near LAX to catch their flight on time the next day, they will,.
Sa atin kasi, kuyog ang maghahatid at mga sumusundo, parang mga bayani ng giyera ang mga pasahero. :lol:

Parang yung sister ko nang wala pang DL/NW derecho from PDX to NRT, papasundo pa sa SeaTac dahil ayaw sumakay ng Alaska air na de elisi. :lol:

angeliteNurse2010

April 9th, 2011, 08:04 AM

guys,ayoko magsimula ng gulo dito ah.hehehe..peace tayo lhat dito..for the record, nagegets ko naman ang analysis ni MVP kaya i understand hindi dapat minamadali ito at pinaplano ng husto..lupit nyang MVP na yan, malaki magiging contribution nya sa economy ng Pilipinas.sana marami pang magiging katulad nya.

anonymous_filipino

April 9th, 2011, 06:03 PM

tisoycuba

April 9th, 2011, 07:32 PM

mwg12a

April 9th, 2011, 07:42 PM

MVP's a true visionary. The feasibility study he commissioned just shows that DMIA and NAIA can operate simultaneously. It shows that DMIA will become an "overflow" airport of NAIA, meaning DMIA can gradually take some international flights from NAIA until DMIA becomes the main international airport of Manila and of the country. Hindi magkakaroon ng logistics nightmare that happens when new international airports of some Asian cities takes over the operations of the old international airports, and the latter becomes defunct.

Nga pala, I did a run from NLEX Balintawak to SCTEX Clark North Exit para malaman kung ilang minutes ang travel once DMIA becomes the country's main international airport. Cruising at around 80-100 kph, I arrived at Clark North Exit in 45 minutes, including the usual traffic at Balintawak Toll Plaza and Dau Toll Plaza. Kung manggagaling sa Mindanao Avenue Link Exit naman (para sa mga manggagaling ng south through Skyway), it took me around 40 mins cruising at the same speed.

This is why I also am hoping that Pangilinan would take even NAIA aside from DMIA, it will be a synchronized management and operations so the services would definitely good if someone who is talented and have the vision would take over NAIA and DMIA IF POSSIBLE. I also see MCIA to serve as a main gateway in the south and work as an overflow airport as well, especially for PAL, now that there are rumors about direct Cebu-SF connection. These would all make sense in the end and it will be a winning situation in both ends.

bitoy

April 10th, 2011, 05:10 PM

tama ka dyan bitoy..like yun friend ko from SD..sumakay sya nang AMTRAK eh nasiraan ang train malapit sa laguna beach..ayun hindi nya nahabol ang flight nya goin back to PI..wala naman kasi fligth ang PAL sa SD..kung connecting fligth naman sya from SD to LAX medyu mahal..kaya halos lahat drive lang sila to LAX:)

Halos lahat ng kakilala ko na umuuwi sa Pinas from SD nag da-drive. Una testing nila yung shuttle service or train, hindi na sila umulit...:lol: ang mahal daw. Meron silang ka kilala na me 15 seater van, yun na lang inuupahan nila or kung kasya sa kotse nila yung mga uuwi, they use their own vehicle. Kahit na tumaas ang presyo ng gas, mas mura pa rin lalabas.

BTW, maganda na yung Surfliner trains sa SD, marami ng bago.

Kintoy

April 10th, 2011, 05:37 PM

anonymous_filipino

April 10th, 2011, 06:05 PM

can you do that during rush hour?

I did that during rush hour. If your travel time going to DMIA is between 1 hour and 30 minutes to 2 hours, ok na yun. If MVP pushes through with his plan of building a high speed dedicated airport express train, passengers from the south should worry anymore of rushing to the airport

mwg12a

April 11th, 2011, 01:17 AM

I did that during rush hour. If your travel time going to DMIA is between 1 hour and 30 minutes to 2 hours, ok na yun. If MVP pushes through with his plan of building a high speed dedicated airport express train, passengers from the south should worry anymore of rushing to the airport

Well, like I said before, since the passenger activities in DMIA is only 500,000, having high speed rail strictly for airline passenger us would not warrant return on the companies investment, they would have to turn it into a public mass transport system. It is okay if its most pinoys traveling as OFW or to neighboring asian countries as a tourist if they do not have valuables in the personal belongings and have no check in luggages. We cannot expect high rollers and long haul travelers to take a public transport system. I wish building a nice looking and spaceous terminal would really attract airline companies to use DMIA but we do need to realize that it has something to do more on the economic, political and insurgency issues are the biggest hindrance for the country to attract more investors and tourists, not to mention that there are no technological developments we can offer the other countries to lure them into the country just like Japan, Korea and China.

1 to 1 1/2 hour or 2 hours would not be enough considering you would have to be at the airport atleast 2 hours prior to departure on regional and domestic flight and most especially if you are traveling to europe and North america (even middleast) because you have to be there 3 to 4 hours prior to departure.

Your 1 1/2 travel time is good mostly for residents close to Caloocan and areas close to balintawak only, but what about those who live in Makati, Alabang, Pasay and the majority of Metro Manila, not to mention other parts of southern luzon provinces? MVP himself already expressed the complication of building a highspeed rail system to DMIA considering NAIA T3 issue is still there and that its builder Frapport has not been compensated yet to shut them up. It means it would be harder for DMIA authorities to attract legacy carriers to use DMIA while there is a NAIA considering what DMIA has been targetting is NOT the domestic carriers for domestic operations. This is why they coined the words "overflow airport" for DMIA. Atleast for the time being while a real good road infrastructure and ofcourse the rail services is in place considering DMIA is already enjoying more than double NAIA's capacity of 24million capacity. Other countries such as HK or Perhaps Japan has the means and the market for it where they attract high rollers that they needed to use high speed train for faster connectivity, but bear in mind they do have excellent infrastructure and urban planning that made all those amenities possible for them.

Kintoy

April 11th, 2011, 09:40 AM

anonymous_filipino

April 11th, 2011, 06:00 PM

Kaya nga there's the Skyway Stage 3 that will make travel to DMIA faster. Ofcourse matagal pa yun. Let's wait for another decade since MVP said that DMIA will be an overflow airport of NAIA, citing the feasibility study of Indra. By becoming an overflow airport, it can gradually take all international flights from NAIA until it becomes the main international airport of Manila and of the country

mwg12a

April 12th, 2011, 10:02 AM

Well, we wouldn't know if this would happen or not, they do have to really get NAIA T3 running full swing so they can profit and return the builder's investments. Anything can happen before that time comes,they may resurrect the Sangley Plan again or perhaps that Talim Island in Laguna De Bay again. Who knows?? So much uncertainty on all these projects. Right now, we should be happy that DMIA received a little facelift and expansion. Just cross our fingers that it will reach up to a million passengers yearly, and even if DMIA was able to transfer all the international operations to DMIA, considering the international passenger activities in NAIA is only 7million, that would still not warrant a dedicated highspeed train for international passengers because it would be expensive to build when the return and the load factor is low, perhaps if DMIA has reached 35million passengers yearly, then, that is a sure go.... We all knew that the increase in passenger activities in NAIA is mostly on the domestic passengers. I am still cynical about DMIA's reaching it's target capacity of international passengers. First of, the international travel market as well as legacy carriers profitability are low, even NAIA would expect low yield in international passengers. Same goes with international passenger activities in almost all airports in the world because this problem is not at all exclusive to the Philippines.

Kintoy

April 12th, 2011, 10:42 AM

anonymous_filipino

April 12th, 2011, 07:17 PM

pi_malejana

April 12th, 2011, 08:17 PM

^^ haters gonna hate..:|

absinthe_888

April 13th, 2011, 02:27 AM

^^ Palitan kaya ang name ng DMIA?

mwg12a

April 13th, 2011, 02:39 AM

Stop being a pessimist, ok? May mangyayari talaga dyan sa DMIA after all those feasibility studies. If DMIA does become the main international airport of the Greater Manila Area and of the country, you have to live with it

The most important thing is that DMIA is operation, has received renovation and is still poised as another gateway to the Philippines whether it maybe an "overflow airport" or not. What would benefit the flying public is that they would have more choices on where to land and what airlines they can chose. Since there are more LCCs in DMIA, that would help attract more travelers there, just that most filipinos should stap being "OA" and not be ignorant alot of things such as" they want to see this and that, expect this and that" to the terminal and the LCCs airliners they chose. We can't expect premium services you see in legacy carriers from an LCC companies. DMIA looks decent and clean with the little expansion, it helps a little bit more in aesthetics. I think they were talking about renovating and expanding the check in lobby in the current terminal, I just don't know when and if that was the plan when they expanded and added aerobridges behind the terminal.

anonymous_filipino

April 13th, 2011, 09:24 AM

The most important thing is that DMIA is operation, has received renovation and is still poised as another gateway to the Philippines whether it maybe an "overflow airport" or not. What would benefit the flying public is that they would have more choices on where to land and what airlines they can chose. Since there are more LCCs in DMIA, that would help attract more travelers there, just that most filipinos should stap being "OA" and not be ignorant alot of things such as" they want to see this and that, expect this and that" to the terminal and the LCCs airliners they chose. We can't expect premium services you see in legacy carriers from an LCC companies. DMIA looks decent and clean with the little expansion, it helps a little bit more in aesthetics. I think they were talking about renovating and expanding the check in lobby in the current terminal, I just don't know when and if that was the plan when they expanded and added aerobridges behind the terminal.

Right you are mwg12a. I just hate it when some people post here like they wish that if they have the power, they would stop the operation of DMIA and its gradual takeover of NAIA's international flights just because its too far from them. For me I'm satisfied with what DMIA has now, and I'm just waiting for the government to award the DMIA Terminal 2 project to a qualified bidder. Ok lang sa akin sa Phil Aero i-award yung contract since one of the shareholders is the operator of Incheon International Airport. If MVP wants to bid for the DMIA Terminal 2 project, he should partner with the Airport Authority of Hong Kong since the parent firm of MPIC is based in Hong Kong

Kintoy

April 13th, 2011, 09:27 AM

anonymous_filipino

April 13th, 2011, 03:25 PM

pessimism? more like being a realist. :cheers: and I dont need a feasibility study for that
Wake up from your imaginative reality. :bash: The reality is that DMIA is being prepared to become the country's international gateway in more or less a decade

Kintoy

April 13th, 2011, 04:46 PM

which feasibility study did you get that again?

Fraulein

April 14th, 2011, 07:01 AM

Global City to rise at former Clark air base
By Aurea Calica (The Philippine Star) Updated April 14, 2011 12:00 AM

FORT MAGSAYSAY, Nueva Ecija, Philippines – A budget airline would soon operate out of Clark, the former US air base that would soon host a “Global City,” President Aquino has said.

The envisioned Global City would include a state-of–the-art hospital, Aquino said yesterday in a dialogue with soldiers presently conducting military exercises here.

The President told the soldiers they should keep their faith and loyalty to the government as their efforts and sacrifices were not going to waste.

Aquino held the dialogue after witnessing the Balikatan military exercises here between the Philippines and the United States.

He told them that his administration would need stability and not adventurism so reforms and developments would continue.

Aquino encouraged the soldiers to speak up and share their thoughts.

He said the airline, which he refused to name, would start operations in August, but would begin flights in December.

It was the same airline that boosted tourism in Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia, he added.

Aquino recently issued two executive orders to pave the way for pocket open skies policy to bring much-needed tourists to the Philippines.

He said a much larger tourism industry would be good for the economy.

The Philippines generated 3.5 million from three million tourists last year.

He was confident that this would increase significantly with the government’s efforts, Aquino said.

Aquino to deliver good news himself

It would be President Aquino himself who will deliver the good news directly to the people.

After witnessing the Balikatan 2011 at Fort Magsaysay yesterday morning, he found comfort in the company of tricycle drivers and local officials in Mandaluyong later in the afternoon, where he turned over 20 electric tricycle units.

The crowd turnout seemed to belie the lower survey approval ratings he has been getting, he said.

“It seems like in Mandaluyong it (survey rating) has been increasing but maybe they jut don’t see it,” he added.

He was seated beside Mandaluyong Mayor Benhur Abalos, whose constituents Aquino said kept faith in democracy even during martial law.

Before ending his speech, Aquino could not help but again take a swipe at mainstream media, whom he accused of highlighting negative news. So that now he has decided to become the bearer of good tidings himself.

Aquino then explained what Environment Secretary Ramon Paje had informed him, that pollution in Metro Manila has tremendously improved – from a worst 166 micrograms cubic meter in June 2010 (based on a normal 90 figure) to a mere 120 last February.

This is what he called “total suspended particulates,” or the normal level of air that people breathe, based on international standards.

Aquino said it has been a very significant improvement from 166 to 120 micrograms cubic meter, in a matter of eight months.

He highlighted the importance of e-trikes which is a substitute for gasoline-fed motorcycles, especially at this time when unrest in the oil-producing countries in the Middle East and North Africa has not yet settled down.

Abalos said these e-trikes only need P45 for a three-hour charging of batteries, compared to the P250 gasoline consumption (fuel cost) for an eight-hour drive of a regular tricycle, and which is much more advantageous because of its 24-hour usability.

The cost of boundary alone for drivers is already P150 a day, which only means that if e-trikes will be plying the routes in cities and municipalities, then drivers will have a bigger take home or net pay.

On a computation of P250 daily (P7,500 monthly, P90,000 yearly) fuel cost on regular tricycles, e-trikes that cost P45 daily (P1,350 monthly, P16,200 a year) will be able to save as much as P205 per day, P6,150 a month or a total of P73,800 per year.

E-trikes donor is the Asian Development Bank, the operator is the local government unit in Mandaluyong City and the beneficiaries are the drivers. – With Delon Porcalla

majaba98

April 14th, 2011, 07:52 AM

How far is the 2. SIA Engineering hanger coming along ? Any images please ?

lanz09

April 15th, 2011, 07:01 AM

^^ Palitan kaya ang name ng DMIA?

Kaya ayaw pansinin ni Pnoy. Ayaw nyang masapawan ang NAIA.

Gawin na lang Clark Field Intl Airport
NAIA to Metro Manila Intl Airport

majaba98

April 15th, 2011, 07:25 AM

Whats with SIA Engineering hangner 2 ? Anyone ?

kingdiz_55

April 15th, 2011, 07:28 AM

Kaya ayaw pansinin ni Pnoy. Ayaw nyang masapawan ang NAIA.

Gawin na lang Clark Field Intl Airport
NAIA to Metro Manila Intl Airport

Mas maganda na ganyan na lang. Para hindi biased. Tsaka mas madaling maalala for foreigners.

Other possible names:
Manila City Airport
Northern Luzon International

majaba98

April 15th, 2011, 12:49 PM

Kaya ayaw pansinin ni Pnoy. Ayaw nyang masapawan ang NAIA.

Gawin na lang Clark Field Intl Airport
NAIA to Metro Manila Intl Airport

As far as I know MIA is already taken (Miami). That is why the ICAO cannot accept that abbreviation.

lanz09

April 15th, 2011, 01:16 PM

As far as I know MIA is already taken (Miami). That is why the ICAO cannot accept that abbreviation.

MMIA na lang

kingdiz_55

April 15th, 2011, 01:16 PM

^^^ They can always retain the MNL. It still IS in Manila.

patlite_boy

April 15th, 2011, 02:39 PM

Clark International Airport is better than Disdado Macapagal International Airport

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/patlite_boy/DSC02289.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/patlite_boy/DSC02290.jpg

kingdiz_55

April 15th, 2011, 02:44 PM

^^^ What airline is that?

patlite_boy

April 15th, 2011, 02:53 PM

^^^ What airline is that?

Fedex

kiretoce

April 16th, 2011, 04:55 AM

Mas maganda na ganyan na lang. Para hindi biased. Tsaka mas madaling maalala for foreigners.

Other possible names:
Manila City Airport
Northern Luzon International
As far as I know MIA is already taken (Miami). That is why the ICAO cannot accept that abbreviation.
MMIA na lang
They can always retain the MNL. It still IS in Manila.
Clark International Airport is better than Disdado Macapagal International Airport

My opinion; it's best to just name the airport after the city it primarily serves rather than someone who is [in]famous. Angeles City International Airport has a nice ring to it. :okay: Of course, regardless if the airport's name changes, or not, they would still retain their designated airport code of CRK. :)

mwg12a

April 16th, 2011, 11:18 AM

kingdiz_55

April 16th, 2011, 11:29 AM

Actually... It isn't a big deal to "removed" </sarcasm> DMIA as the airport's name. But rather, people ate just sharing their ideas in what THEY think the airport should be named. Is sharing really a big of a deal to you? Seriously?

spearhead

April 16th, 2011, 02:25 PM

As long as they dont name it after Clark then thats ok. Bcuz "Clark" is also a person's name from untied states. :lol: It's present name is fine, they dont have to remove it.

anonymous_filipino

April 16th, 2011, 03:03 PM

MPIC eyes operation, maintenance of NAIA
By Mary Ann Ll. Reyes (The Philippine Star) Updated April 16, 2011 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Metro Pacific Investments Corp. (MPIC) has expressed interest in the operation and maintenance of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) if the terminals will be bid out as a package.

“We are interested on NAIA terminals] not by ourselves but with international partners. It is better to bid out NAIA as a package,” MPIC chairman Manuel V. Pangilinan said.

According to him, the Indra group has already submitted to MPIC its study on possible airport projects in the country.

“They seem to suggest to keep NAIA and to upgrade facilities but their view is that NAIA will be congested in three years,” Pangilinan said, adding that the firm also said that the NAIA terminals are better offered as a package.

“The advantage of NAIA is you already have the airports and volume is already there while Clark airport is still ramping up with the volume,” he added.

But Pangilinan said issues surrounding the airport should be resolved first in order to make the package attractive.

Pangilinan said he is open to the possibility that the winning bidders of NAIA will take care of the compensation owed to Philippine International Air Terminals Co. (Piatco) for the construction of Terminal 3. “Part and parcel of it is resolving the issue on Piatco,” he added.

Piatco is demanding $1.7 billion in compensation from the government for the construction cost, financing charges and the supposed rentals of the government for the use of NAIA 3 since 2008.

Meanwhile, Pangilinan said MPIC is still keen on the expansion of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark.

He said that although Clark airport is still behind NAIA’s volume, the former has a bigger potential for expansion.

“In three years, NAIA will be full and there is no space to expand it. We really need Clark,” Pangilinan said, adding that he hopes to undertake the project in three years to address this concern.

DMIA, which is 85 kilometers away from NAIA, is the main airport serving the immediate vicinity of the Clark Special Economic Zone.

“We are now in talks with technical partners for the airport. They are quite keen to participate and visit the site,” he said.

kingdiz_55

April 16th, 2011, 03:08 PM

By the time we get NAIA fully operational, we would have already reached it's maximum capacity.

makatiprime

April 16th, 2011, 07:24 PM

may terminal 5, terminal 6 at terminal 7 pa,dun sa may merville, nag aapura tong mga negosyante para maging maunlad kaagad yung pampanga, cabalen kasi si mvp, naia complex if,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if fully used and developed can accomodate 80-100 million pax per year..........every 5 minutes nga lang yung touch down and take off, sa hongkong every 30 seconds, di pa puno...........

makatiprime

April 16th, 2011, 07:35 PM

to prove, hong kong airport has only 2 runways...3,800 meters each at may 300,000 aircraft movements per year at 45 million passenger per year

ang naia naman ay may isang runway na 3,737 meters at 2,258 meters...205,246 aircraft movement per year.at may 24 million passengers per year
slight race diba????

if by 3 years time naia as they said will fully operational wow, manila is one of the top 10 or top 15 air passenger in the world

spearhead

April 16th, 2011, 08:38 PM

^^Ang tagal namang matapos itong DMIA, ang tagal nilang kumilos!!!! Naiinip nako! :bash:

kiretoce

April 16th, 2011, 08:43 PM

I actually don't know why it is such a big deal to removed the name Diosdado Macapagal Int airport. Is it because it's very pinoy sounding or what??? I guess to Pinoy, when you call it Clark International or perhaps Angeles International it sounds better to our ears??? But if it sounds like something westernized, it would sound better????

Look at it from a foreigner's point-of-view and enunciation; which is easier to say and rolls off your tongue effortlessly, Angeles City International Airport/Clark International Airport, or Diosdado Macapagal International Airport? ;)

nguwerng

April 16th, 2011, 09:54 PM

Much Better kung gamitin ang name ng airport by its location..much easier identification especially for those who are not from the phils...much easier to put in mind...Because of our sense of patriotism we have airport named after important people,which is also good.

That is why in my opinion it would be best to use two names side by side
but of course use the name by location for international use...mahaba pero it has its advantages

Metro Manila International Airport - Ninoy Aquino International Airport
Code: MMIA

Clark Angeles International Airport - Diosdado Macapagal International Airport
Code: CAIA

idea lang hehehe :banana: :banana: :banana:

nguwerng

April 16th, 2011, 10:01 PM

Reading about the news that NAIA T1 is classified is the worst in asia is frustating...:ohno::ohno::ohno:

The airport in Manila has two runways but intersecting w/ each other, this means it cant handle simultaneous landings/takeoffs...this will pose as a problem in the future when the incoming and outgoing aircraft will increase unlike in DMIA, HK and SG they have parallel runways.
The first thing that should push thru is a dedicated mass transit system from DMIA to the heart of Metro Manila, to make DMIA a good alternative airport.

I have this ambitious idea..:nuts::nuts::nuts: if the idea that DMIA is that far...what about sangley point w/c has an airfield in cavite city...why not reclaim surrounding area and expand it more to have an airport with parallel runways and have a big terminal similar to HKIA.:nuts::nuts::nuts:

nguwerng

April 16th, 2011, 10:05 PM

I have seen this new airline operating in NAIA T3...ANA...All Nippon Airways...It's a sign that T3 is going to start catering foreign airline companies..

as87930

April 16th, 2011, 10:18 PM

spearhead

April 16th, 2011, 11:12 PM

There would be a global city type project goin on in 2 yrs time sa clark, pampanga.

berdee

April 17th, 2011, 03:30 AM

kingdiz_55

April 17th, 2011, 06:09 AM

How about erm..

Manila-Aquino International
Manila-Macapagal International

Manila-X

April 17th, 2011, 06:42 AM

kingdiz_55

April 17th, 2011, 06:48 AM

anonymous_filipino

April 17th, 2011, 07:11 AM

Whenever we post, I think we should have this at the bottom of it to serve as a reminder for pests

"It is already been said in various studies and development plan that Clark is still the best for a development for the primier gateway airport. Not Sangley Point or even Talim Island.

We have to accept the fact that it is Clark is the airport for this kind of development."
Tama ka sir. Kaso baka may humirit na naman na another feasibility study, feasibility study international airport, madam auring airport etc. :bash: Mga pessimist talaga. They hinder the development of the country. :bash: And they hide under the guise of being realists. :bash: I think of them as being imaginative realists. :lol:

Back to regular programming na. IMO, we should expect DMIA becoming the country's main international airport in the coming years. But we should not expect that the airport will have one big passenger terminal kaagad. More like the private sector partner will construct a passenger terminal that can be expanded once passenger influx increases, and gradually will become one big passenger terminal.

sfo way sipyat

April 17th, 2011, 09:02 AM

Tama ka sir. Kaso baka may humirit na naman na another feasibility study, feasibility study international airport, madam auring airport etc. :bash: Mga pessimist talaga. They hinder the development of the country. :bash: And they hide under the guise of being realists. :bash: I think of them as being imaginative realists. :lol:

Back to regular programming na. IMO, we should expect DMIA becoming the country's main international airport in the coming years. But we should not expect that the airport will have one big passenger terminal kaagad. More like the private sector partner will construct a passenger terminal that can be expanded once passenger influx increases, and gradually will become one big passenger terminal.

Maybe in the near future if the domestic flights in and out of Clark will be developed and the number of domestic and international passengers will reach 5M,the taxpayers will expect a world class secod terminal for Clark.

Kintoy

April 17th, 2011, 10:25 AM

Back to regular programming na. IMO, we should expect DMIA becoming the country's main international airport in the coming years.

prediction ba ni Madam Auring to? :lol:

zidlakan

April 17th, 2011, 02:34 PM

mwg12a

April 17th, 2011, 02:40 PM

Look at it from a foreigner's point-of-view and enunciation; which is easier to say and rolls off your tongue effortlessly, Angeles City International Airport/Clark International Airport, or Diosdado Macapagal International Airport? ;)

Well if we are to talk about enunciation, pronounciation and so forth DMIA is alot easier, forget abot what it means, as long as you know its in the Philippines and in Angeles Pampanga..:lol::lol:

i really agree with this, no biases whatsoever. i lived in bangkok in the 1980's
and i was so familiar with "Don Muang" airport. so you can't blame me for get-
ting a bit angry when they built a new one and named it "Suvarnabhumi" with
the usual Thai pronunciation very far from the spelling!

without being unpatriotic, i think an airport's name should be easy-sounding to
foreigners, if we are to promote tourism. mactan-cebu is fine with me but if i
have my way, ... well, ... :)

I understand the feeling when one has to go for changes, it is definitely hard to adjust to "something new", there is always this automatic resistance to changes by some but that's understandable and there is nothing wrong with it either.

As far as promoting tourism to foreigners, it's what the area that's being showcased and not necessarily the airport itself. so, if I am to search for the airport on the internet, the first thing you would get is the IATA code for instance in DMIA, its CRK and NAIA it's MNL. The name of the airport comes secondary if not tertiary. When it comes to these airport names and all, I don't see any right or wrong in naming an airport, it's more of an "either-or", much like in marriage, it's always give and take, what is more importance is how the city like Cebu or Angeles is being promoted as a tourism Mecca. Heck, as a tourist, I would of never guessed that Paris airport before is called Charles De Gaulle but as far as the city is concerned, I know Paris is a fashion capital of the world and the City of love.... One thing for sure, and I learn it the hard way, being an american in France is not a priviledge nor you get better treatment no matter if you're white or not, you get that "oh you're an american" with sarcasm ,turn their back with rolling eyes :lol:

Manila-X

April 17th, 2011, 03:20 PM

i really agree with this, no biases whatsoever. i lived in bangkok in the 1980's
and i was so familiar with "Don Muang" airport. so you can't blame me for get-
ting a bit angry when they built a new one and named it "Suvarnabhumi" with
the usual Thai pronunciation very far from the spelling!

without being unpatriotic, i think an airport's name should be easy-sounding to
foreigners, if we are to promote tourism. mactan-cebu is fine with me but if i
have my way, ... well, ... :)

Suvarnabhumi was orignally planned 40 years ago. Yes it did took that long before it was actually built and operated.

kingdiz_55

April 17th, 2011, 05:04 PM

^^^ Which means CRK will take about 60-80.

Kintoy

April 17th, 2011, 09:36 PM

you should consult a fung shui expert on what to name it.

whippersnapper

April 18th, 2011, 07:59 AM

you should consult a fung shui expert on what to name it.

kung ano ano sinasabi mo makapagpost ka lang, walang kakwenta kwenta.. papansin ka ba o timang lang talaga...

kingdiz_55

April 18th, 2011, 08:28 AM

It was a joke. Live a little.

Kintoy

April 18th, 2011, 09:11 AM

kung ano ano sinasabi mo makapagpost ka lang, walang kakwenta kwenta.. papansin ka ba o timang lang talaga...

gumagawa ako ng feasibility study kung kelan ako magpo-post :cheers:

chris_nigel

April 21st, 2011, 04:48 AM

May name pinag iisapan ninyo pa Lets stick na lang kung ano ang recent name wala naman masama dyan ke mahirap ipronounce ng foreigner yan pakelam nila ehh yung ang pinangalan ehh

mwg12a

April 22nd, 2011, 02:38 AM

^^^ Yep, i'm sure DMIA instead of the full name would easily be remembered even by foreigners. Besides, IATA code for DMIA is CRK , so, that name should not be a big deal. Charles De Gaulle is an old name used in the west, even JFK airport is what people would think instead of John F Kennedy International airport, that should be enough for "short and simple" and "easier to remember". :P

hybridace101

April 22nd, 2011, 03:29 AM

I'm quite annoyed that since the CRK thread began, nearly half of the posts here are about distance and this thread was established to have a constructive discussion on how to make CRK a better airport. And I don't think moving it closer to the city-centre is a feasible option because you can't move airports. Sadly, we all have to accept the fact that CRK is there and it's not ours to abolish or abandon. As far as it seems, MNL is not the only city that it serves. MNL is not the only city in luzon that needs an airport, nearby northern provinces can benefit from it and soon if you need to go Baguio from HK or KL, you can do so in less than 4 hours.

I see CRK having a lot of promise and potential. The government just has to play its cards correctly. In fairness to it, it already has mostly LCD screens in use for FIDS unlike MNL.

kingdiz_55

April 22nd, 2011, 04:17 AM

^^ Actually, CRK does have a lot more potential in every aspect. The only problem about it is the people from the South.

OtAkAw

April 22nd, 2011, 07:39 AM

^^Meaning?

majaba98

April 22nd, 2011, 08:06 AM

kingdiz_55

April 22nd, 2011, 09:41 AM

majaba98

April 22nd, 2011, 09:48 AM

What's the big deal about a hangar? I'd understand a new terminal... But a hangar?! Seriously?!

BTW, quoting was completely uneccessary in this situation. The replybwas in no relation whataoever to tge quoted post.

Why so aggressive ? It´s a holy holiday my friend. Relax and cool down Dude....

This hanger is 5J´s future wide body expansion milestone, as he is planning to expand to long haul flights, just like AAX.

bitoy

April 22nd, 2011, 09:52 AM

Singapore firm to build P1-M hangar in Clark
By Mary Ann LL. Reyes (The Philippine Star) Updated January 09, 2011 12:00 AM

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=646388&publicationSubCategoryId=66

MANILA, Philippines - Aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) firm SIA Engineering Co. will construct a second hangar costing around P1 billion inside the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in the first quarter of this year.

“SIA Engineering will be building a bigger hangar to accommodate wide-bodied aircraft such as the Boeing 747 and 777,” Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) president and chief executive Victor Jose Luciano said.

The second hangar is expected to generate 300 direct jobs and 200 indirect jobs in the 2,367-hectare Clark complex.

“We are just awaiting for the height clearance to be issued by the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines,” Luciano said.

The new hangar is expected to be operational by the end of 2012.

majaba98

April 22nd, 2011, 10:44 AM

kingdiz_55

April 22nd, 2011, 10:45 AM

Why so aggressive ? It´s a holy holiday my friend. Relax and cool down Dude....

This hanger is 5J´s future wide body expansion milestone, as he is planning to expand to long haul flights, just like AAX.

OOOHHHHH. Widebodys for 5J?! Kaya naman plang atat na aat kayo. Now I understand. Excited narin ako.

Since the hangar's gonna be completed by 2012, don't you think 5J should already start ordering the planes that are gonna be using the hangar? But still, they could always convert a few of their options.

majaba98

April 22nd, 2011, 12:55 PM

OOOHHHHH. Widebodys for 5J?! Kaya naman plang atat na aat kayo. Now I understand. Excited narin ako.

Since the hangar's gonna be completed by 2012, don't you think 5J should already start ordering the planes that are gonna be using the hangar? But still, they could always convert a few of their options.

Hi Kingdiz,
there was an image of Lance G. sitting on his desk table with a model of a Cebu Pacific B 777 in front of him, you might have seen it somewhere in these forums (forgot where I saw it, sorry).

Since Singapore Engineering is setting up quite a large shop (with 3 hangers, 2 hangers are large enough for 777´s and 747´s) I suppose that 5J has plans of going long haul sooner or later. There has been no confirmation from Cebu Pacific so far though. It´s just common sense thinking, as SIA Engineering exclusively maintenances 5J´s airbus fleet at their Clark base.

majaba98

April 22nd, 2011, 12:59 PM

kingdiz_55

April 22nd, 2011, 02:43 PM

I have seen that. But maybe they would also go for an all-Airbus fleet since SIA also maintains Airbus long hauls. (source: http://www.siaec.com.sg/aircraft_types/airframe_maintenance.html) And they can use a330s for short flights with high demands like HK or something.

I don't think their 28" (is that right) seat pitch would work on the long haul, though. Maybe they'll have a cramped section for those who are a little tight fisted and a "premium" section: essentially economy like that of "legacy carriers" with more legroom and maybe a free meal or so but charges like legacy carriers, too.

mwg12a

April 23rd, 2011, 03:07 AM

Not possible converting his orders with his standing Airbus orders if he plans to utilize Boeing 777´s. But you can get them on lease faster than on sale order&delivery. Maybe that´s why we haven´t heard of any definite long haul orders from CEB yet.

I think 5j has been just concentrating on regional and domestic operations as it is cost effective and more profitable for them. Expanding their services to long haul such as North America especifically the US and even to Australia would mean they would have to reinvent their service package that would fit a long haul travel, meaning they would have to be ready to come up with something yet retain that LCC concept that made them a leading LCC in the country and one of thef fastest growing young airlines in the world, they would also have to be ready in further training crews without compromising the prices of the airfare as that has been part of the reason why Gokongwei utilized an all airbus fleet, on top of that like i already mentioned earlier, they would have to redesign their service package on long haul flight as they would definitely have to offer extra amenities. They would have to be very competetive as I am pretty sure they can't go with just a strictly single class cabin with limited inflight entertainment since they would be facing top notched legacy carriers from other countries head on.

majaba98

April 23rd, 2011, 08:22 AM

I think 5j has been just concentrating on regional and domestic operations as it is cost effective and more profitable for them. Expanding their services to long haul such as North America especifically the US and even to Australia would mean they would have to reinvent their service package that would fit a long haul travel, meaning they would have to be ready to come up with something yet retain that LCC concept that made them a leading LCC in the country and one of thef fastest growing young airlines in the world, they would also have to be ready in further training crews without compromising the prices of the airfare as that has been part of the reason why Gokongwei utilized an all airbus fleet, on top of that like i already mentioned earlier, they would have to redesign their service package on long haul flight as they would definitely have to offer extra amenities. They would have to be very competetive as I am pretty sure they can't go with just a strictly single class cabin with limited inflight entertainment since they would be facing top notched legacy carriers from other countries head on.

Kingdis, mwg12a,

True, it would be appropriate to choose A 330s instead of 777s. But the 777s are newer, and therefore a lot more fuel efficient.
Air Asia X, Malaysia has proven that LCC long haul can bring profit if the right concept has been adapted. In fact they are expanding their long haul service !
Why would otherwise SIA Engineering set up 2 hangers for long haul aircraft if not there was one or two customers in sight ? Check their website and you will see 1 CEB and 1 SIA long haul aircraft in both of these new hangers. That does signal where they will be recruiting their customers from, doen´t you think ?

kingdiz_55

April 23rd, 2011, 09:52 AM

I really can't understand yor post. :|

majaba98

April 23rd, 2011, 01:27 PM

What don´t you understand kingdiz ? Would you like to define your problem ?

kingdiz_55

April 23rd, 2011, 02:54 PM

to summarize, SIA will be having 2 hangars with it's customers being Air Asia and most likely Cebu Pacific, right?

majaba98

April 23rd, 2011, 03:05 PM

SIA will have 3 hangers at Clark, 1 small for A 320s and B 737s and 2 large ones for A 330/340s and B 747s and 777s if the rendering will be prosecuted. Possibly they will maintain Air Asia too. Right now now care for 5J´s Airbus fleet only.

majaba98

April 23rd, 2011, 03:10 PM

Kingdiz, you may read and see the rendering here :
http://www.siaec.com.sg/joint_venture/siaep.html
Happy Easter !
:-)

majaba98

April 23rd, 2011, 03:19 PM

Also pls. read here :

SIAEC to build second aircraft hangar in Clark
By Ding Cervantes

Nov 12, 2010

CLARK FREEPORT – The Singapore Airlines Engineering Company (SIAEC) has announced it will construct here its second aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) hangar to cost about P1 billion to provide services for the Boeing 747 and 777 aircraft.

“The expansion project will generate 300 direct jobs,” Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) president and chief executive officer Victor Jose Luciano said yesterday, noting that the hangar construction will start next week.

He said “it will be a bigger hangar to accommodate wide-bodied aircraft such as the Boeing 747 and 777.”

In November 2008, SIAEC, together with its joint venture partner Cebu Pacific Air, built its first hangar costing P800 million for the Airbus 320 and 319 series aircraft located within the 2,367-hectare Clark Civil Aviation Complex here. The hangar started operations in July, 2009.

“The second, much larger hangar in Clark will generate no less than 300 direct jobs and about 200 indirect jobs for our people in Central and Northern Luzon. SIAEC will spend about P1 billion for the construction of the second hangar which is expected to be operational by the end of 2012,” Luciano noted.

SIA Engineering Company, based in Singapore, is a leading aircraft MRO company providing “total maintenance solutions to wide-bodied aircraft of the world.”

Operational end 2012 meaning they must have a customer for that hanger at that time. Since 35 % is owned by Cebu Pacific, I presume they will then start long haul operations with B 777s. I simply don´t believe they are investing 1 billion Pesos for an idle hanger; do you see what I mean ?

kingdiz_55

April 23rd, 2011, 04:27 PM

^^ You do know they COULD just be spending on a maintenance hangar to earn money. BTW, other than my Cebu Pacific's 777 model, what makes you think they'll go for a 777?

majaba98

April 23rd, 2011, 05:39 PM

^^ You do know they COULD just be spending on a maintenance hangar to earn money. BTW, other than my Cebu Pacific's 777 model, what makes you think they'll go for a 777?

Please read my last 4 - 5 posts, you will find everything there. Thanks.

mwg12a

April 23rd, 2011, 05:53 PM

Kingdis, mwg12a,

True, it would be appropriate to choose A 330s instead of 777s. But the 777s are newer, and therefore a lot more fuel efficient.
Air Asia X, Malaysia has proven that LCC long haul can bring profit if the right concept has been adapted. In fact they are expanding their long haul service !
Why would otherwise SIA Engineering set up 2 hangers for long haul aircraft if not there was one or two customers in sight ? Check their website and you will see 1 CEB and 1 SIA long haul aircraft in both of these new hangers. That does signal where they will be recruiting their customers from, doen´t you think ?

The fuel efficiency of B777 is not really in question, it's the added expenses on trainiing crews especifically for B777 as most of 5Js fleet are airbuses which aside from A380, pilots, PA and ground crews does not have to be retrained when shifting for instance A320 to A330/40 unlike most boeing aircrafts crews are trained so they can operate other fleets or aircraft whenever situation arises.

As far as SIA engineering, they are not definitely looking into servicing strictly CEB and SIA but to lure other airline companies to have their maintenance service in Clark or the Philippines which naturally would offer cheaper cost primarily due to cheaper labor cost that offers the same efficient services to their customers. So technically, it's another form of outsourcing products to their clientele. But with the current FAA cat 2 and EU's ban on Philippine carriers for safety reasons, it's good that Clark is getting SIA engineering but as far as it would actually prospher would take a little while if this project would take off, not until after FAA goes back up to Cat 1 and EU lifted the ban on Philippine air carriers fly into any EU airspace.

As far as Cebu Pacific initiating long haul services is still a bit in a limbo. While they have 35% share in SIA engineering, their main purpose for it is for cost effectiveness where they would not have to send their aircrafts in other countries as it would be cheaper in the Philippines, aside from that, the extra profit in servicing wide bodied aircrafts would be an added revenue for them that would in turn help with their operational cost expenses. Surely, the Long haul service is at the back of their minds, why not? They always have that freedom right to fly into the US for years but they never took advantage of these yet as they are trying to strictly concentrate in regional and domestic services. It's been over 5 years already that I have been longing to see Cebu Pacific and even PAL to start midwest or even east coast US services along with their current Mainland US service out in the west.

kingdiz_55

April 24th, 2011, 04:00 AM

^^ got it!

majaba98

April 24th, 2011, 02:14 PM

The fuel efficiency of B777 is not really in question, it's the added expenses on trainiing crews especifically for B777 as most of 5Js fleet are airbuses which aside from A380, pilots, PA and ground crews does not have to be retrained when shifting for instance A320 to A330/40 unlike most boeing aircrafts crews are trained so they can operate other fleets or aircraft whenever situation arises.

True, in my opinion the better choice to stick to Airbus rather switch to Boeing aircraft anyway. I was simply referring to both images showing a 747 AND a 777 in 5Js colors.

As far as SIA engineering, they are not definitely looking into servicing strictly CEB and SIA but to lure other airline companies to have their maintenance service in Clark or the Philippines which naturally would offer cheaper cost primarily due to cheaper labor cost that offers the same efficient services to their customers. So technically, it's another form of outsourcing products to their clientele. But with the current FAA cat 2 and EU's ban on Philippine carriers for safety reasons, it's good that Clark is getting SIA engineering but as far as it would actually prospher would take a little while if this project would take off, not until after FAA goes back up to Cat 1 and EU lifted the ban on Philippine air carriers fly into any EU airspace.

Yes, any economic development needs liberal deregulation (more than one or two customers) to survive in the long run, no question about that. as I mentioned, Air Asia setting up shop at clark might just take advantage of SIA Engineering with their new domestic fleet (some total of 20 Airbusses), just like Tiger/SEAir (some total of 15 Airbusses).

As far as Cebu Pacific initiating long haul services is still a bit in a limbo. While they have 35% share in SIA engineering, their main purpose for it is for cost effectiveness where they would not have to send their aircrafts in other countries as it would be cheaper in the Philippines, aside from that, the extra profit in servicing wide bodied aircrafts would be an added revenue for them that would in turn help with their operational cost expenses. Surely, the Long haul service is at the back of their minds, why not? They always have that freedom right to fly into the US for years but they never took advantage of these yet as they are trying to strictly concentrate in regional and domestic services. It's been over 5 years already that I have been longing to see Cebu Pacific and even PAL to start midwest or even east coast US services along with their current Mainland US service out in the west.

I wonder if 5J (under current cat 2 regulations) is allowed to enter the US at all until it has been upgraded to cat 1. Nevertheless, would be a great alternative for long hauls as long as they don´t kill our flag carrier, asia´s oldest airline.

kingdiz_55

April 24th, 2011, 02:48 PM

I think we're allowed to fly to the US. The only thing is that if we were to do so, we would be under constant supervision from the US.

mwg12a

April 24th, 2011, 04:11 PM

I wonder if 5J (under current cat 2 regulations) is allowed to enter the US at all until it has been upgraded to cat 1. Nevertheless, would be a great alternative for long hauls as long as they don´t kill our flag carrier, asia´s oldest airline.

I would be guessing that freedom right granted to 5J in the past has been withheld until MIAA meet with FAA requirements to upgrade the Philippines back to Cat1 status.

majaba98

April 24th, 2011, 06:27 PM

I would be guessing that freedom right granted to 5J in the past has been withheld until MIAA meet with FAA requirements to upgrade the Philippines back to Cat1 status.

Lets just hope Cat 1 status comes back asap.

Kintoy

April 24th, 2011, 06:31 PM

1 million peso hangar? wahahaah. parang kapresyo lang ng parking sa condo yan ah

hybridace101

April 25th, 2011, 12:55 AM

Lets just hope Cat 1 status comes back asap.

I can't expect that after PNoy pressured Cusi to leave. What a loss when we were so close to the finish line.

majaba98

April 25th, 2011, 08:21 AM

I can't expect that after PNoy pressured Cusi to leave. What a loss when we were so close to the finish line.

Reason enough to admonish the president !

mwg12a

April 26th, 2011, 08:08 PM

I can't expect that after PNoy pressured Cusi to leave. What a loss when we were so close to the finish line.

Just because Cusi is gone, the world would stop revolving. I am pretty sure there are other well respected and knowledgeable manager out there, the government just have to pick one wisely.

Kintoy

April 26th, 2011, 10:25 PM

kingdiz_55

April 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM

Pag na Cat 1 tayo, feeling ko na mababayaran na T3 kasi kakailanganin talaga ang space. Pagkatapos nun, ang lahat ng effort mapupunta na sa DMIA.

dancethingy

April 27th, 2011, 05:31 AM

Just because Cusi is gone, the world would stop revolving. I am pretty sure there are other well respected and knowledgeable manager out there, the government just have to pick one wisely.

The problem here is that the current administration chose to do away with an effective manager and put itself in a position of the long and difficult road to finding an equal replacement.

Kintoy

April 27th, 2011, 09:39 AM

effective? napaganda ba ni cusi ang NAIA?

kingdiz_55

April 27th, 2011, 09:46 AM

Malay nyo mas "effective" tong bago.

spearhead

April 27th, 2011, 12:44 PM

^^Wala na bang mas positive news dito?

Kintoy

April 27th, 2011, 03:09 PM

ginagawan pa ng feasibility study kung magkakaroon

kingdiz_55

April 27th, 2011, 03:18 PM

What's the "airline leasing area" for, anyway? With regards to DMIA's master plan, that is.

suri_maw2020

April 27th, 2011, 03:57 PM

:) @ kintoy mukhang me galit ka key ex GM Cusi, wherein siya ang gumawa ng paraan para maayos agad ang sira ng DVOR ng NAIA at minungkahi niyang bumili na ng bago kaso hinarang ng DOTC. Kaya ang DVOR nang NAIA ay ipagdasal ng lahat na sana'y wag ulit masira kundi...nasa Diyaro na naman ang Pinas.

Si Mr. Cusi din ang me project sa bagong mukha ng Terminal 1, at nagawa niya ito within the 6 months term niya as GM. Dahil kasama ito don sa requirements para mabalik ang Cat 1 status ng paliparan. Kaso nag resigned noong December dahil na pressure na siya dahil sa politica, sa dahilang walang tiwala sa kanyang kakayahan ang administrasyon at ang isa pa ay isa siya sa mga Midnight Appointee ng dating pangulong GMA.

true. parang si cusi lang ang magaling. naia nga hindi nya na-improve

effective? napaganda ba ni cusi ang NAIA?

spearhead

April 27th, 2011, 05:02 PM

ginagawan pa ng feasibility study kung magkakaroon

shet ano bayan puro nalang feasibility studies nalang sila! :bash:

muzic_lover2981

April 28th, 2011, 06:12 AM

sadyang pangit na ang NAIA....move on guys

kingdiz_55

April 28th, 2011, 06:27 AM

^^ True enough. It was improperly managed.

Kintoy

April 28th, 2011, 08:33 AM

Thanks to cusi

boy_turista

April 30th, 2011, 03:47 AM

US senators pledge to assist in development of Clark airport

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga – Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) President and CEO Victor Jose I. Luciano has asked two visiting US senators to help in the transformation of Clark airport into an ‘‘aerotropolis’’ that will bring in investors from the United States.

This after US Senators Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, President Pro Tempore of the US Senate, and Thad Cochran of Mississippi, both members of the committee on appropriations, visited the CIAC corporate offices on Tuesday and made a quick tour at the expanded Terminal 1 of the Clark International Airport.

During a presentation at the CIAC Boardroom, Luciano pointed to the development of a logistics and services hub in the Clark airport area which is patterned after the logistics hub in Dallas Forthworth, Texas where the development of two cities created an “aerotropolis.”

“The airport-driven economic powerhouse brought in hundreds of companies around the airport in Dallas. This is where we would like to seek the US government to help us plan to make the Clark Civil Aviation Complex an aerotropolis,” said Luciano.

Luciano asked the two lawmakers to help promote Clark to American investors.

For his part, Senator Inouye invited Luciano to join the APEC meeting in Hawaii this year to make a pitch for the development of Clark airport. “You should come to the APEC meeting in Hawaii and make the same kind of presentation,” said Senator Inouye.

This year’s annual APEC Leader’s Meeting will be held in Honolulu, Hawaii in November. The annual APEC gathering is one of the world’s largest intergovernmental meetings, the premier forum being composed of 21 Pacific Rim counties, called member Economies, which meet annually to cooperate on regional trade and investment issues.

The two senators had been impressed with the activity in the Clark airport.

Senator Cochran and Senator Inouye who already visited the former Clark Air Base for several times in the past have expressed optimism over the current developments in the Clark Civil Aviation Complex. “The two senators were very much impressed with the transformation of Clark into a powerhouse. They saw the bulk of incoming and outgoing passengers at the Clark airport,” said Luciano.

Luciano said that the Senators Inouye and Cochran were in the Philippines to look into the transformation of the two former US military bases – Clark Air Base and Subic Naval Base – into productive civilian use.

Clark Freeport Zone is now the site of an international airport while Subic Freeport Zone has a deep-sea port. The two economic generators are linked by the modern Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway (SCTEX). (AMR)

mwg12a

May 1st, 2011, 01:28 AM

The problem here is that the current administration chose to do away with an effective manager and put itself in a position of the long and difficult road to finding an equal replacement.
See, this is very debatable. It's a one sided assumption....
For one thing, that cat 2 happened during Arroyo administration 2 years before she step down, obviously, the manager she picked then wasn't good either, the first one before Cusi down to Cusi because if they are a better choice? Why in the world did the Philippines fall into Cat2 and they were not able to address all these especially before Arroyo stepped down...

:) @ kintoy mukhang me galit ka key ex GM Cusi, wherein siya ang gumawa ng paraan para maayos agad ang sira ng DVOR ng NAIA at minungkahi niyang bumili na ng bago kaso hinarang ng DOTC. Kaya ang DVOR nang NAIA ay ipagdasal ng lahat na sana'y wag ulit masira kundi...nasa Diyaro na naman ang Pinas.

Si Mr. Cusi din ang me project sa bagong mukha ng Terminal 1, at nagawa niya ito within the 6 months term niya as GM. Dahil kasama ito don sa requirements para mabalik ang Cat 1 status ng paliparan. Kaso nag resigned noong December dahil na pressure na siya dahil sa politica, sa dahilang walang tiwala sa kanyang kakayahan ang administrasyon at ang isa pa ay isa siya sa mga Midnight Appointee ng dating pangulong GMA.

Granted that Cusi is spearheaded the procurement of the new DVOR, but, you've got to realize that has been a long plan and that "it just happen" that this device failed unexpectedly when it should of been upgraded or replaced long time ago.

Again , granted that Cusi ordered the renovation of T1, but isn't it due to the fact that the Philippine government failed to find resolution on NAIA T3 issue? That Arroyo tried her best to get T1 openned to foreign carriers but failed? It was also a slow process and up to now, that renovation isn't finished yet. That cat 2 category could of been resolved under Cusi's term because the citation made by FAA wasn't really something extra difficult to accomplish because it was all about alot of paper work missing and the lack of agency that would oversee the compliance of airline companies in recertifications of airline crews which somehow is being done by airline operators through their company wide self auditing.All of which could of been accomplished in 7 months to a year so when there is a take over, the government can present the hard copy of the requirements formulated under cusi. I do believe Cusi is good, dont get me wrong, however, I think his actions were mostly reactionary than just promptedness where he was the one who spot checked the problem and corrected it before the other concern international groups would spot it first.

dancethingy

May 1st, 2011, 04:17 AM

effective? napaganda ba ni cusi ang NAIA?

Of course not. Right now, all that can make NAIA beautiful would be superficial improvements.

See, this is very debatable. It's a one sided assumption....
For one thing, that cat 2 happened during Arroyo administration 2 years before she step down, obviously, the manager she picked then wasn't good either, the first one before Cusi down to Cusi because if they are a better choice? Why in the world did the Philippines fall into Cat2 and they were not able to address all these especially before Arroyo stepped down...

Granted that Cusi is spearheaded the procurement of the new DVOR, but, you've got to realize that has been a long plan and that "it just happen" that this device failed unexpectedly when it should of been upgraded or replaced long time ago.

Again , granted that Cusi ordered the renovation of T1, but isn't it due to the fact that the Philippine government failed to find resolution on NAIA T3 issue? That Arroyo tried her best to get T1 openned to foreign carriers but failed? It was also a slow process and up to now, that renovation isn't finished yet. That cat 2 category could of been resolved under Cusi's term because the citation made by FAA wasn't really something extra difficult to accomplish because it was all about alot of paper work missing and the lack of agency that would oversee the compliance of airline companies in recertifications of airline crews which somehow is being done by airline operators through their company wide self auditing.All of which could of been accomplished in 7 months to a year so when there is a take over, the government can present the hard copy of the requirements formulated under cusi. I do believe Cusi is good, dont get me wrong, however, I think his actions were mostly reactionary than just promptedness where he was the one who spot checked the problem and corrected it before the other concern international groups would spot it first.

I would have to retract my assumption that Cusi was the best man for the job, but i believe he offered continuity in that he had extensive knowledge of the problems facing Clark and NAIA. And this all depends on who actually replaces him and his predecessor's qualifications.

mwg12a

May 1st, 2011, 04:46 AM

Yes, definitely at this point, it would depend on the acting MIAA manager to correct the problem and what ever Cusi started should be continued and improved.

boy_turista

May 2nd, 2011, 07:42 AM

BCDA to prioritize airport projects

Private partner for Clark terminal seen this year

By Doris Dumlao
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:47:00 05/01/2011

Filed Under: Air Transport, Infrastructure, Government, Investments, Philippines - Regions

MANILA, Philippines—The state-run Bases Conversion Development Authority plans to prioritize the upgrading of the budget terminal at the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark, Pampanga, by taking in a private partner within this year.

In an interview with Inquirer, newly appointed BCDA president and chief executive Arnel Casanova also said the upgrading of a dormant airport in San Fernando, La Union, was now nearly finished. He said this airport, which is under BCDA’s subsidiary Poro Point Management Corp., could open up a major gateway to Northern Luzon soon.

Casanova also assured that the forthcoming privatization of the terminal upgrading in Clark or any other similar project to be undertaken by BCDA would be done in a “fair and square” and “transparent” manner.

“Sometimes, there are accusations that the TOR [term of reference] is custom fit to certain players. It shouldn’t be that way. The bidding must attract more players who are competent and financially capable,” he said.

The upgrading of DMIA, he said, would be done in phases, the first of which would be to upgrade the existing terminal for budget carriers given that this airport was being groomed as a regional hub for low-cost airlines. “If you upgrade the terminal, more carriers will come in,” he said. The bidding process for the upgrading of the budget terminal could be done within the year, he said.

Does this RING a bell to YOU :lol: ... BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME

But converting DMIA into the country’s main international gateway, Casanova said, would require the building of an entirely new airport in Clark. BCDA is involved in this undertaking being the parent firm of Clark International Airport Corp. and Clark Development Corp.

Several big groups like San Miguel Corp. and Metro Pacific Investments Corp. have expressed interest in developing DMIA into the country’s international gateway in the future, given the geographical limitations of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

In the future, Casanova said the San Fernando airport terminal could also be one of the projects that could be offered under the public-private partnership framework in infrastructure-building.

The BCDA has so far invested P500 million to extend the airport’s runway to accommodate bigger aircraft with the size of at least the Boeing 737, a short- to medium-range, narrow-body jet.

spearhead

May 2nd, 2011, 07:08 PM

^^This is where that logic applied when it comes to investment.

mwg12a

May 2nd, 2011, 07:24 PM

Yeah, it helps if the facility is upgraded, but, the Philippine government still needs to work on its overall image in other country ALONG in a much better highway connectivity and rail services. Because what really drives airline companies to come to a country or a city? It's a good-safe business atmosphere, security and tourism industry. I see this privatation initiative as a good thing while DMIA is being groomed to be the main gateway or atleast secondary gateway into the country. Pangilinan was right in his study, he can see to it that NAIA T3 is posing as hindrance to DMIA growth since they are just over 83 miles apart from one another which the former Kuwaiti investor has been seing. Bottomline is, it is at the best interest both DMIA and the riding public to allow private sector venture in the ownership and management of DMIA.

kingdiz_55

May 3rd, 2011, 06:48 AM

Kintoy

May 3rd, 2011, 08:51 AM

Clark is already there. so where are they?

s40

May 3rd, 2011, 09:06 AM

Private ownership would really speed up DMIAs transformation as the Philippines premier gateway. Airlines have been smart too choose DMIA because this'd guarantee them a slot in the airport when it's expansion is complete.

What I don't understand right now is why the government is still trying to push for the development of NAIA with the building of the expressway and what not when thet nkow that the airport is already bursting at the seams.

Having your airport 7km away from Makati CBD has certain benefits.... all of this have to be considered..... If you have laguna technopark taking advantage of airshipments and cargo shipments for 'just in time' inventory management. Putting the main airport gateway 200km away is a big disadvantage..... Having 1 million call center employees and their CEO flying into Manila and take a 15 minute cab ride to his plush hotel means a lot versus having him take a bus ride from Clark to Makati in Shitty weather and shitty road networks and traffic.

You see not all urban planning is about beautification and "new, new".... The NAIA is extremely competitive from a location standpoint if this government can maximize it.

More than meets the eye.... NAIA is a viable airport up to the point where that real estate becomes the value of gold then maybe we can sell it and reclaim a new airport from manila bay.... Guess why Japanese needed to build Narita besides TOkyo via reclamation... proximity is golden

Today, with all things considered specially how damn crappy EDSA is and no connector road between NLEX to airport. No highspeed rail.... DMIA is a stupid proposition to make your main airport... That is just pure stupidity...

kingdiz_55

May 3rd, 2011, 09:07 AM

Clark is already there. so where are they?
Still waiting for T3 to open.

Kintoy

May 3rd, 2011, 09:14 AM

Having your airport 7km away from Makati CBD has certain benefits.... all of this have to be considered..... If you have laguna technopark taking advantage of airshipments and cargo shipments for 'just in time' inventory management. Putting the main airport gateway 200km away is a big disadvantage..... Having 1 million call center employees and their CEO flying into Manila and take a 15 minute cab ride to his plush hotel means a lot versus having him take a bus ride from Clark to Makati in Shitty weather and shitty road networks and traffic.

You see not all urban planning is about beautification and "new, new".... The NAIA is extremely competitive from a location standpoint if this government can maximize it.

More than meets the eye.... NAIA is a viable airport up to the point where that real estate becomes the value of gold then maybe we can sell it and reclaim a new airport from manila bay.... Guess why Japanese needed to build Narita besides TOkyo via reclamation... proximity is golden

Today, with all things considered specially how damn crappy EDSA is and no connector road between NLEX to airport. No highspeed rail.... DMIA is a stupid proposition to make your main airport... That is just pure stupidity...

not to mention dadaan ka pa ng kalookan, probably the ugliest city in the metro.

Kintoy

May 3rd, 2011, 09:15 AM

Still waiting for T3 to open.

they'd rather wait for T3 than go to Clark. :lol:

mwg12a

May 4th, 2011, 12:25 AM

^^ It's not even those things you mentioned kintoy and s40

Private ownership would really speed up DMIAs transformation as the Philippines premier gateway. Airlines have been smart too choose DMIA because this'd guarantee them a slot in the airport when it's expansion is complete.

What I don't understand right now is why the government is still trying to push for the development of NAIA with the building of the expressway and what not when thet nkow that the airport is already bursting at the seams.

Debatable and easily explainable. First of, what do you usually see in DMIA? All LCC and one Legacy carrier, am I right? Going back to previous discussions where DMIA has been trying to lure lagacy carriers to consider DMIA even on a smaller scale level, so far, Asianna airlines for 6 years is the only Legacy carriers operating DMIA and it's not even a regular service with atleast 10 flights weekly and there is the facility already. Having no aerobridges would not turn legacy carriers off especially if this destination is very profitable to them. Siam Reap is one good example for these or St Marteens in the Carribean where large legacy carriers are operating in this small airport terminals.

What is it hard to understand that the Philippine government can't just abandon NAIA right away? Or in the next five years. Let's see... 1. Litegation cases between Frapport and the Philippine government. 2. Just compensation of the builder has not met and would take years to pay that over 500million investment the German company laid down on. 3. A much better rail and road infrastructure which are all necessary to lure foreign legacy carriers to set up operations in DMIA (unlike Changi and HK international whose yearly international activities are over 30 million passengers yearly while NAIA alone, the international passenger activity shows only 7million passengers considering the increase in the Philippine travel are mostly due to domestic operations that is made possible by local Philippine LCCs)

If you look back further in the thread. You would see that Pangilinan who is a private entity and a successful businessman already saw the complication of his plans and realized that according to the study, DMIA would be pegged as an "overflow" airport, atleast for the time being before DMIA can be groomed as the main gateway into the Philippines. The Philippine government can not simply just sack NAIA. Why? THEY OWE ALOT OF MONEY FROM THE GERMAN INVESTORS. that despite The US court along with the Singaporean Arbitrary court worked in favor of the Philippine government, the Philippine government still have th obligation TO PAY or COMPENSATE whatever expenses incured in the construction of NAIA T3. Do you see why these whole thing hampers the growth of DMIA? And the sole reason why the Philippine govermnet turn down the former Kuwaiti investor for DMIA project is due to the Kuwaiti investors request to close any other terminals within close proximity to DMIA which is within 85 mile radius, meaning THEY WANT NAIA shut down once a bigger terminal is built in DMIA which the government cannot simply afford to do right away. And then you do have some of those strategic reason @s40 mentioned above.

kingdiz_55

May 4th, 2011, 02:06 AM

Debatable and easily explainable. First of, what do you usually see in DMIA? All LCC and one Legacy carrier, am I right? Going back to previous discussions where DMIA has been trying to lure lagacy carriers to consider DMIA even on a smaller scale level, so far, Asianna airlines for 6 years is the only Legacy carriers operating DMIA and it's not even a regular service with atleast 10 flights weekly and there is the facility already. Having no aerobridges would not turn legacy carriers off especially if this destination is very profitable to them. Siam Reap is one good example for these or St Marteens in the Carribean where large legacy carriers are operating in this small airport terminals.

Legacy carriers are not considering operations at DMIA because they still have NAIA at their disposal. However, if they're forced to use DMIA because of NAIAs closure, then they will.

What is it hard to understand that the Philippine government can't just abandon NAIA right away?

You're saying that what I said was debatable but you're technically agreeing with it.

As for infrastructure needs, we already have NLEX, SCTEX, and the TPLEX that's under construction. Plus, we'll have the NLEX-SLEX connector. I do understand that we NEED the northrail more than ever.

hybridace101

May 4th, 2011, 02:14 AM

s40

May 4th, 2011, 05:21 AM

Still think DMIA is just a PR propaganda... It will serve a purpose for North Luzon gateway and support clark, subic, tarlac industrial zones but come on....... premiere gateway, super duper airport cost? Wag na that is a waste of money - we invest kung me significant population, industry at passenger volume nalang, which is maybe 25 years from now.

The only problem with NAIA 1, 2 and 3 (other than f...in 3 is still partially closed) is hindi adequately maintained at hindi mapaganda. Capacity wise kulang din hindi dahil masikip yung airport or inefficient, bulok lang nag papatakbo. Kayang kaya pa ioptimize operations diyan to accomodate growth for maybe 10-15 years more, afterwhich puno na talaga at dapat ready na ready na yung DMIA by that time. Laki laki ng complex niyang NAIA. Yung centennial 2 bulok kasi efficiency nun. Yung terminal 1 luma nalang talaga kaya maliit - pero kung i modernize mo design niyan kaya siguro niyan mag handle ng 10 million passengers per year ayusin lang yung flow ng mga tao, goods, counters, etc. Dami pa kasi ka artehan ng architecture niyan eh.

kingdiz_55

May 4th, 2011, 05:24 AM

^^ The real problem with NAIA is it's runways.

s40

May 4th, 2011, 05:51 AM

^^ The real problem with NAIA is it's runways.

in what sense? short? not parallel? safety? I think we're just not appreciating the facts correctly.... the runway is international standard... not the best but it is workable... You can work around its shortness by? investing in the best guidance mechanisms maybe? how about extending it towards laspinas via land acquistion? dami options bopols lang talaga government.

kingdiz_55

May 4th, 2011, 06:31 AM

s40

May 4th, 2011, 08:05 AM

The lack of runways is a hindrance. We need another runway. Rwy 13-31 too short for jumbos and doesn't accept landing aircraft. Which mwans big jets taking off coupled with all the arriving ones have to squeeze onto just 1 runway. Look at all of the major airports in the world, all either parallel or intersecting but full length (11000 ft or more) all able to accept takeoffs and landings of any type of plane. Perfect example, SFO, 2 parallel runways crossing each other. HKG, parallel. NRT, parallel. These airporta can have a separate runway dedicated for takeoffs and one for landings.

true, it is a nice to have improvement but given our current air traffic i do not think imho it is a big show stopper (yet). seen many airports and in Manila we do not que up for 30mins to 1 hour to get to take off. In some sense, wala pang congestion ang airport natin due to runway limitations, although that should be improved. eventually it will get congested crazily that you'll need DMIA but not in next 10 years... Feeling ko once T3 is open and that create shit loads of traffic, yan me problema na tayo sa runway

pi_malejana

May 4th, 2011, 08:10 AM

true, it is a nice to have improvement but given our current air traffic i do not think imho it is a big show stopper (yet). seen many airports and in Manila we do not que up for 30mins to 1 hour to get to take off. In some sense, wala pang congestion ang airport natin due to runway limitations, although that should be improved. eventually it will get congested crazily that you'll need DMIA but not in next 10 years... Feeling ko once T3 is open and that create shit loads of traffic, yan me problema na tayo sa runway

exactly, and this is what people criticizing the plans about CRK should understand... this is a gradual process, from attracting airlines, to building huge terminals, to making roads and railways... DMIA becoming the premier gateway will not happen in a day, it will take many many years.. we shouldn't be worried about NAIA being abandoned in the near future...

:cheers:

zidlakan

May 4th, 2011, 05:45 PM

in what sense? short? not parallel? safety? I think we're just not appreciating the facts correctly.... the runway is international standard... not the best but it is workable... You can work around its shortness by? investing in the best guidance mechanisms maybe? how about extending it towards laspinas via land acquistion? dami options bopols lang talaga government.

capacity.

Kintoy

May 4th, 2011, 06:13 PM

since Northrail is toast, DMIA as premier airport could be DOA

medviation

May 5th, 2011, 12:05 AM

NAIA is too small, DMIA is too far. Build an entirely new one? :dunno:

Sebastian_L23

May 5th, 2011, 02:17 AM

kiretoce

May 5th, 2011, 02:47 AM

NAIA is too small, DMIA is too far. Build an entirely new one? :dunno:

You planning on coughing up the money for that?

chris_nigel

May 5th, 2011, 03:09 AM

OT: si LOlo Melo na pala ang isa sa Board of Directors ng Clark Development Corporation...

cemby

May 5th, 2011, 05:47 AM

Hmmm... parang nung panahon Japan was thinking of closing Haneda in favor of Narita in tokyo and same with itami airport in favor of Kansai.

Same issues cropped up.. but in the end, both Itami and haneda was not closed but instead reconfigured na lang. high speed railway? Hmmm. Narita-haneda only uses a bus for that. well of course nice wide superhighways to that. itami to Kansai is a little tricky too. One has to take the train from Itami to Osaka station then transfer to another train to Kansai... or just simply take the bus

about connections... I guess the NLEX-Mindanao Ave-Congressional-Tandang Sora/C5 link is open so that saves you from passing through the middle of Caloocan/Balintawak area. From C5 you can enter Global city and go straight out to Nichols/Villamor to get to the airport... at least you avoided EDSA....

Most planes of Cebu pac/airphil and Seair take off at runway 13-31....so sa umaga, the time na halos sunod sunod ang take off, medyo mabilis... it is only the landing that sucks kasi 1 runway lang... yung 06-24 so maraming eroplanong naka holding pattern...

pau_p1

May 5th, 2011, 06:33 AM

Most planes of Cebu pac/airphil and Seair take off at runway 13-31....so sa umaga, the time na halos sunod sunod ang take off, medyo mabilis... it is only the landing that sucks kasi 1 runway lang... yung 06-24 so maraming eroplanong naka holding pattern...

huh?... i believe both runways can handle landing planes... if I'm mistaken.. and the landing and take off direction regularly differs depending on the wind pattern on a certain time of the day....

Kintoy

May 5th, 2011, 01:38 PM

high speed rail from Sangley to Manila perhaps?

spearhead

May 6th, 2011, 12:51 AM

If the Govt. had the money, maybe a bridge all the way to Sangley? Something like this perhaps:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/Isaric/SangleyIntAir.jpg

I thought about extending EDSA but the mall is already there so i took and extended NAIA road instead. That's the best shop i can do lol :lol:

There is an existing thread about this dream.

Your drawing though will be turned down because the runways are facing the skyscrapers... It has to be facing north or northeast, with south or southwest, away from dense residential or commercial areas.

You planning on coughing up the money for that?

Bangag sya boss. :lol:

mwg12a

May 6th, 2011, 01:37 PM

Legacy carriers are not considering operations at DMIA because they still have NAIA at their disposal. However, if they're forced to use DMIA because of NAIAs closure, then they will.
That's exactly my point. Airline companies would be forced to use DMIA IF NAIA is closed, but, they key word there is that, it will not happen like some of us think would happen because, again. The Philippine government owes the builder a big sum of money that their only recourse is to privatize it and we all knew what would happen if NAIA is private owned. It means, they would not allow it to close to business because they are there for profit UNLESS NAIA and DMIA is of the same private corporation. There is no foreseen indication that the international passenger activities would show a marked increase because of the political and economic atmosphere in the Philippines. Yes, there is an improvement of the Philippines GDP but that's because of the Philippine goverment's promptness in paying it's debts but those are coming from OFW remittances mostly and not from a strong export industry especially with advanced technology.

You're saying that what I said was debatable but you're technically agreeing with it.

As for infrastructure needs, we already have NLEX, SCTEX, and the TPLEX that's under construction. Plus, we'll have the NLEX-SLEX connector. I do understand that we NEED the northrail more than ever.

There were somethings you mentioned that is agreable ofcourse but surely, there are portions that are not.

I understand that there are new connectors to and from DMIA but it's definitely not enough, the current ones are only favorable to those who would originate around the vicinity of Balintawak area but we've got to realized that the center for commerce would be in Manila proper and Makati area where it is over 90 miles and you would have to through congested traffic. Considering there is that dream plan of building a speed rail system, if that 7 million international passengers yearly is transfered to DMIA, the investor would not gain the proper return of their investment, unless the train service is also offered as a mass transit which would not really be convinient for airline passengers so they would still have to go by road/highway. Manny Pangilinan did not change his tone for nothing after the study, because what I've mentioned before where I was highly critisized was the same answer he started saying when Pangilinan realized that his dream project is much more complicated than he intially thought.

mwg12a

May 6th, 2011, 01:43 PM

high speed rail from Sangley to Manila perhaps?

Submarine siguro mas effective :lol::lol::lol:

mwg12a

May 6th, 2011, 01:55 PM

^^

Um, the US court didn't completely rule in PH's favour. They initially threw out the case with the West German firm because of a technicality. Now arbitration proceedings are well underway.

But I do favour near-complete private ownership of whoever operates airports in this country in the future. For one, taxpayer money won't be required very much to upgrade the structures both in and out of the terminal. Also, unlike the government, the private sector realises that the key to making money (and wouldn't invest unless they saw a potential to do so) would be the convenience they can give their clientile.

They realise that unnecessary long lines for instance at paying PTA and terminal taxes are inconveniences and they should find alternate ways of collecting them. If they do so, they diminish the impression that the payment of fees goes nowhere if they have defective facilities which I'm sure they can and will well avoid.

Well, the Philippine goverment did win the court battle in Washington, however, they still ruled the Philippine goverment should compensate Frapport, just not the full 420Million Frapport where hoping to recover.

RP wins $425-M case
WB junks Fraport's Naia 3 claim

By Michael Lim Ubac
Inquirer
Posted date: August 18, 2007

THE WORLD Bank has dismissed the claim for compensation over the Naia Terminal 3 project of Germany's Frankfurt Airport Services Worldwide (Fraport), clearing the way for the eventual operation of the mothballed facility, officials said Friday.

The bank's International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID) decided it lacked the jurisdiction to hear Fraport's claim brought against the Republic of the Philippines in 2003, an ecstatic Solicitor General Agnes Devanadera announced at a press briefing in Malacañang.

"Ladies and gentlemen, it's bad weather but good news," she said.

She quoted President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo as saying, "Wow!" when told of the news.

"The Philippines has won in the international arbitration case filed by Fraport against our government. This is a significant milestone in our quest for modernity and progress. Work on Naia Terminal 3 will continue with more vigor and sharp focus on safety and convenience. I commend the Office of the Solicitor General and the policy group led by Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita for this hard-earned legal victory which has also vindicated us in the eyes of the world," the President later said in a statement.

Fraport, the principal investor in the Philippine International Air Terminals Corp. (Piatco) consortium that built Naia 3, went to the World Bank to recover the $425 million that it said it had invested in the project after the Philippine government seized the terminal in December 2004 following the Supreme Court's voiding of the Piatco contract to build and operate the terminal.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41158

manila_eye

May 6th, 2011, 01:59 PM

^^ they actually reversed that decision earlier this year.

mwg12a

May 6th, 2011, 02:08 PM

exactly, and this is what people criticizing the plans about CRK should understand... this is a gradual process, from attracting airlines, to building huge terminals, to making roads and railways... DMIA becoming the premier gateway will not happen in a day, it will take many many years.. we shouldn't be worried about NAIA being abandoned in the near future...

:cheers:

Trouble there is that when some of our forummers read in the tabloid that there is this so and so group wanted to build a huge terminal capable of handling 50million passegers yearly and a highspeed rail system, some people think , that is it... they think it is exactly what's going to happen right away, Excited agad na parang sure shot na ang plano. Well, Kuwaiti investor deal fell through, now Pangilinan's plan isn't looking exactly looking bright when he saw how complicated his plan was... Ofcourse the development of DMIA would not happen overnight, that's no brainer. But if we are to analyze things with NAIA existance and that the Philippines is not a hub for international travel, along with privatization of NAIA, the compensation of Frapport would definitely a big hindrance to it that even Pangilinan saw that in the end DMIA would probably end up being an overflow airport indefinitely, perhaps if the economic and political atmosphere in the Philippines improved immensely, things would definitely change. But, with the current report where the Philippines is seen as "supporting role" in economic arena in asia, where do we go from there? Things aren't really looking so bright yet right?

mwg12a

May 6th, 2011, 02:11 PM

^^ they actually reversed that decision earlier this year.

That's true, I've seen that but the Philippines isn't really at total loss on this one except for the fact that no matter what, the Philippine government still need to compensate Frapport before they really sell NAIA to a private organization.

habagatcentral1

May 6th, 2011, 07:00 PM

high speed rail from Sangley to Manila perhaps?
Di na kelangan. Anjan naman si Marian Rivera at ang kanyang CavitEx. :lol: Jusme, yun ngang South Extension Project ng LRT nilangaw na ng mahigit isang dekada, yun pang high-speed rail? Kung di lang sana nawala ang lumang Tramo.

mwg12a

May 7th, 2011, 01:21 AM

Palagay ko mas cheapest way kung gusto na retain ang NAIA, bilihin ang property sa area ng Merville etc etc at gawaan ng parallel runway para duon sa kabilang side, malaki pa ang space para expansion, pero siyempre another day dream lang yan malabo din. Maganda naman din talaga na develop and DMIA, bakit ba hindi? Kaya lang yuong iba masyadong hyper akala pag may nag banggit na super huge terminal ang gagawain, kasing laki na agad ng Bankok o Changi Airport complete na may sophisticated rail service, hindi bale ba sana kung ang economy ng filipinas well established and mababa ang poverty rate at ang DMIA or NAIA international transit hub dahil sa lakas ng trade at commerce sa loob ng filipinas na talagang kayang punoon agad ang terminal na may capacity 60million passengers yearly na most international at hindi domestic at legacy carriers lahat ang nag se-serve at ang foreign investors makakamit agad ang return ng kanilang investments. Kaya nga ba sa sobrang tagal ng project na ito, wala pa hanggang ngayon nakukuha na siguradong foreign investors kung hindi sana ang Kuwaiti investors pero ayaw pumayag ng pamahalaan ng filipinas (arroyo) na walang airport na nakatayo kalapit. Dahil nga siguro alam ng Kuwaiti na hindi sila kikita kung naandiyan pa din ang NAIA.

cemby

May 8th, 2011, 04:27 PM

huh?... i believe both runways can handle landing planes... if I'm mistaken.. and the landing and take off direction regularly differs depending on the wind pattern on a certain time of the day....

13-31 puwede din naman mag land pero most often for Gen Av planes however, most Big birds (of which if you notice these international flights often arrive either late at night or in the afternoon) can't land in 13-31 kaya matagal ang holding pattern since they really have to land at the other runway.. bihirang ginagamit ang 13-31 for A320's and A319....

absinthe_888

May 9th, 2011, 06:17 AM

Di na kelangan. Anjan naman si Marian Rivera at ang kanyang CavitEx. :lol: Jusme, yun ngang South Extension Project ng LRT nilangaw na ng mahigit isang dekada, yun pang high-speed rail? Kung di lang sana nawala ang lumang Tramo.

OT: Kung hindi nawala yung old Cavite Line ng MRR, matagal na siguro nagawa yung LRT to Kabite, though hindi masusundan siguro yung original alignment gawa dumaan ito sa Runway.

normand

May 9th, 2011, 10:02 PM