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kratos1211

May 25th, 2008, 06:05 PM

Clark airport is RP entry point for ASEAN 'open skies'

By Tonette Orejas
Central Luzon Desk

CLARK FREEPORT, Philippines--The Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) here has been designated as the Philippines' port of entry in the proposed open skies agreement to be signed by the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in December.

This was announced in a joint news release by Transportation and Communication Secretary Leandro Mendoza and Victor Jose Luciano, president and chief executive officer of the Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC).

The CIAC is the state agency overseeing the development of the DMIA from a former American military airport to a civil aviation complex.

"Secretary Mendoza will submit the DMIA as the port of entry of the Philippines in the ASEAN meet in December," Luciano told the Philippine Daily Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net) in a telephone interview.

The move is a major step in making the airport at Clark the Philippines' premier gateway, replacing the Manila airport.

Mendoza announced the entry port status of the DMIA in a Cabinet meeting on Panglao Island in Bohol on Monday, Luciano said.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo gave Mendoza the approval to "go full steam ahead," the CIAC official said.

Mendoza, chairman of the ASEAN Transport Ministerial Meeting, said ASEAN countries—the Philippines, Malaysia, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Burma (Myanmar), Brunei and Indonesia—would be declared "open skies."

China, South Korea, Japan and India have also expressed interest in the proposal that is likely to spark growth in the airline industry in the region, especially the Philippines with its strategic location, and to benefit some 500 million tourists.

Under the open skies policy, Mendoza said national carriers would have the right to fly over a country without landing, to stop in a country for refueling or maintenance without transferring passengers or cargo, and to carry passengers and cargo from one country to another and vice versa.

Mendoza said his designation of the DMIA as a port of entry was consistent with Ms Arroyo's declaration of the DMIA as the country's premier airport.

"The [Ninoy Aquino International Airport] has one runway and no matter how beautiful your terminal is, the capacity of its single runway is only 13 million flights per year. So we cannot expand the capacity in NAIA and we have no other choice but to transfer to Clark," he said. "There is no other alternative."

NAIA Terminal 3, the spanking new $500-million facility at Villamor Air Base, has been mothballed since its completion in 2002, saddled with litigations over allegations of corruption and safety concerns. Its opening remains unclear more than a decade after it was conceptualized to meet the needs of tourism and travel up to 2010.

The 2,500-hectare DMIA is fitted with two runways that are 3.2 kilometers long each. The runways are "enough to accommodate even the largest aircraft in the world," Mendoza said.

Luciano called the designation of the DMIA as ASEAN's port of entry as a "welcome development" for Clark. "This would open up more flights that will serve our people," he said.

He said the President ordered CIAC officials to proceed with the Terminal 2 project of the DMIA to accommodate seven to eight million passengers yearly. The expansion of Terminal 1 started in April, on a P112.9-million budget, to serve two million passengers yearly.

Pampanga Rep. Carmelo Lazatin led the signing of a manifesto urging Arroyo to issue Executive Order No. 500-B that would liberalize the airline industry for Clark and Subic, a former American naval base with an airport. The two facilities used to be the largest American bases outside the United States.

The CIAC reported that in 2007, the DMIA served 533,619 passengers through the 37 weekly flights by Tiger Airways of Singapore, Air Asia of Malaysia, Asiana Airlines of South Korea, and China Southern Airlines.

Singapore Engineering Airline Co. has signed up for a $100-million investment project involving the maintenance, repair and overhaul facilities at the DMIA.

Kuwait Gulf and Links will develop a $25-million Global Gateway Logistics Park.

Singapore's Changi Airports International and Kuwait's Al-Kharafi Group have signified intentions to develop the civil aviation complex, Luciano said.

mwg12a

May 25th, 2008, 06:16 PM

There has been news articles and reports that has been going around for a long while now about international corporations willing to invest on Clark, if I am not mistaken it's been 4 years now. The same time as we all complain about NAIA-T3 never openned to the public.... When will all these really gonna happen??? NAIA , clark, it does not matter anymore which one of the two as long as there is a real progress and the plans actually materialize than just all publicity left and right....

barrera_marquez

May 25th, 2008, 11:40 PM

Sana nga ma-aprubahan na yang clear-skies policy na yan... para wala nang harang sa mga investors...

RonnieR

May 26th, 2008, 04:57 AM

You don't. You do business with them :)

Agree, ....:)

bartstrife99

May 27th, 2008, 03:01 PM

Helow Guys any Pic from DMIA? it there's already contructed there? something like the New Facility, Hangar, and Maintenance Facility?

kiretoce

May 27th, 2008, 10:33 PM

UPS to move hub from Philippines to Shenzhen (http://www.cargonewsasia.com/secured/article.aspx?id=15&article=16226)

United Parcel Service (UPS) is moving its intra-Asia air hub from the former Clark base in the Philippines to China's thriving Pearl River Delta to improve customer service by reducing transit times across Asia.

UPS will base the new intra-Asia hub at Shenzhen Airport. The repositioning will slash at least a day off shipment times-in-transit for Asian customers.

The new hub represents an estimated investment of US$180 million. It will complement UPS's sorting centre at Pudong Airport in Shanghai.

UPS plans to close its intra-Asian hub at Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in the Philippines when the Shenzhen hub opens in November 2010. However, the former Clark air base, which has served as UPS's regional hub since 2002, will continue to be the gateway for the company's deliveries to and from the Philippines.

The Shenzhen hub, expected to cover 89,000 sq m will include an express Customs handling unit, sorting facilities, cargo handling and cargo build-up areas and ramp handling operations. It will be capable initially of processing up to 18,000 pieces per hour, compared to the existing 7,500 pieces per hour in the Philippines, but can be easily expanded to a capacity of 36,000 pieces per hour.

"Shenzhen's strategic location will provide significant time-in-transit and cost advantages, allowing UPS to better serve the growing Asian markets along these rapidly expanding trade lanes," said Derek Woodward, president of UPS Asia Pacific.

"We want to be where our customers need us most. Since we began flying directly to China in 2001, we have watched this region grow exponentially not only from a small package perspective but also in heavy air freight."

UPS has also added five weekly flights in and out of Nagoya to enhance customer service to Japan's Chubu region, a major industrial manufacturing centre. UPS already flies to Tokyo and Osaka. The new flights offer significant new options to Chubu industry to reach the rest of Asia and the United States.

Currently, the markets of China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea and Taiwan account for more than half of UPS's total intra-Asia volume. Of this, a sizeable proportion of Asia package export volume now originates in Hong Kong and southeast China, where the Shenzhen hub will be located.

"Given the growth in shipping along southern China, it makes sense to sort and dispatch this volume from a hub closer to our customers," explained Woodward.

The Shenzhen Airport Group said in a statement, the partnership with UPS provided significant benefits to the city and airport. "The establishment of the hub will provide jobs and boost tax revenues, as well as provide an incentive for other companies to locate to the region.''

PasigGuy

May 28th, 2008, 03:23 AM

anonymous_filipino

May 28th, 2008, 06:44 AM

^^ Blame it on bad politics. Those foreign cargo companies will be begging us again to allow them to set-up their hubs again here if we matured politically, which is a big ?

RonnieR

May 28th, 2008, 09:11 AM

now, everybody is moving out from PH (hanjin, FedEx, Intel,etc) i will not be surprised if San Miguel and PLDT will follow.

I don't think Fedex and Hanjin are moving out.

anonymous_filipino

May 28th, 2008, 09:12 AM

^^ FedEx is transferring their As-Pac hub to Guangzhou Baiyun Airport

RonnieR

May 28th, 2008, 09:46 AM

^^ FedEx is transferring their As-Pac hub to Guangzhou Baiyun Airport

Yes I know, but they are not moving out....only the AsPAC headquarter. I think it's a misnomer to say that they are moving out, meaning all their operations which is a possibility for Intel, they will close their factory and move to another country :)

anonymous_filipino

May 28th, 2008, 09:52 AM

^^ yeah and it's partly because of our bad politics that they are transferring their hubs. FedEx and UPS are just saying they're transferring to China because it's "more strategically located" than our country, in fact the truth is because of our bad politics that made them rethink of keeping their hubs here

bustero

May 28th, 2008, 10:14 AM

bartstrife99

May 28th, 2008, 03:23 PM

now, everybody is moving out from PH (hanjin, FedEx, Intel,etc) i will not be surprised if San Miguel and PLDT will follow.

I think San Miguel and PLDT will not, Why? because they dominated the RP economy expansion outside the country is possible but leaving not for sure!

mwg12a

May 28th, 2008, 04:44 PM

I think politics is a consideration but mostly it's operational efficiency and economics. An extra 80 - 90 minutes flying time from shanghai or beijing to Clark/Subic instead of Shenzhen/Guanzhou is still a long time operationally specially as these are daily flights.

That is correct, I've worked part-time with UPS in the past when I was younger , every single minute counts and should not be wasted. It's not really the political atmosphere that really got them to decide changing their hub, business is booming in China for these companies and thats what compelled them to make such an unfortunate move on the filipno people's part because it's beneficial for their companies...

PasigGuy

May 29th, 2008, 02:56 AM

I think San Miguel and PLDT will not, Why? because they dominated the RP economy expansion outside the country is possible but leaving not for sure!

the last line is somewhat "a joke", but I agree with you, SMC has been doing overseas expansion for long time now. In the late 90's they built SMBeer factories in China and Vietnam and acquire certain food company in AU (now sold)...For PLDT, this is now controlled (?) by SalimFamily of Indonesia, its easy for them to pull its investment out from RP....(??)

PasigGuy

May 29th, 2008, 03:03 AM

I think San Miguel and PLDT will not, Why? because they dominated the RP economy expansion outside the country is possible but leaving not for sure!

the last line is somewhat "a joke", but I agree with you, SMC have been doing overseas expansion for long time now. In the late 90's they built SMBeer factories in China and Vietnam and acquire certain food company in AU...For PLDT, this is now controlled (?) by SalimFamily of Indonesia, its easy for them to pull its investment out....(??)

Sky Harbor

May 29th, 2008, 03:34 AM

Oddly, I thought that Japan's NTT and Hong Kong's First Pacific (through Metro Pacific) had significant stakes in PLDT.

bartstrife99

May 29th, 2008, 04:10 PM

the last line is somewhat "a joke", but I agree with you, SMC have been doing overseas expansion for long time now. In the late 90's they built SMBeer factories in China and Vietnam and acquire certain food company in AU...For PLDT, this is now controlled (?) by SalimFamily of Indonesia, its easy for them to pull its investment out....(??)

Awt's :ohno: i dont know that SMC already expanded they Company outside the country in late 90's i'm still young at that age!(10-13 yrs old :) ) and on the other hand that PLDT is not a Filipino Owed Company today and i know that SMC is a Corporation of Cojuangco Familiy of the former president Aquino! this will add to my vocabolary thanks to info!

JustHorace

May 29th, 2008, 04:15 PM

^^At one time, SMC even became the largest food company in Australia after acquiring National Foods and Berri Ltd. But they sold the two companies to the Japanese a year ago. I'll never forget those Australian ads though...which had these "A subsidiary of San Miguel Corporation" tag.

Manila-X

May 30th, 2008, 05:31 AM

Are we talking about DMIA or Philippine corporations?

bartstrife99

June 1st, 2008, 10:46 AM

Anyway thank's for the info in SMC, let's go back to the real topic, any updated news on DMIA?

pinas4real

June 1st, 2008, 05:38 PM

http://www.malaya.com.ph/jun02/ship0.htm

WILL ACCOMMODATE JUMBO PLANES
Gov’t to build 3rd runway in Clark in time for unlimited flights

By GENIVI FACTAO

The government will build a third runway in Clark in time for the start of unlimited flights among ASEAN carriers by December.

The third runway will accommodate jumbo aircraft according Transport secretary Leandro Mendoza.

"It will put Clark in the forefront of the region when Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) leaders sign a memorandum of understanding to adopt a single-aviation market and liberalized air travel among the 11 countries in November," he said.

In a speech during the 2nd Philippine International Logistics Expo held recently, Mendoza said that Clark is being developed to become a major logistics hubs in the Asia-Pacific region.

"A third runway will not only provide Clark the edge over its counterparts, but will immediately lure airline operators to deploy larger airlines to the Philippines both for tourism and logistics," Mendoza said.

The third runway at Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) will be able to accommodate the Airbus 380 and Boeing’s jumbo jets.

Clark was declared a premier airport, as the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) is already congested and could not be expanded anymore.

He added that even if the third terminal will be opened in NAIA, it will not address congestion as airlines will continue to share the same single runway with domestic airlines.

Unlimited flights between capital cities in the region can begin by December 2008. By 2015, they expect that all countries achieve a single aviation market similar to the European Union.

Mendoza added 8 airports are set to be completed in the next 2 years. This year, 3 airports – the NAIA terminal 3, DMIA and Busuanga will be opened. Next year, the Davao-Iloilo terminal, Silay-Bacolod airport, the Laguindingan airport and Panglao airport in Bohol will be opened while there are ongoing negotiations for the Zamboanga airport opening. "We expect traffic to double in particular the tourists arrivals" Mendoza said adding that this will help decongest the growing passenger traffic in the country. Last year, a total of 11.24 million passengers inbound and outbound were recorded up 11 percent from the 10.13 million in 2006. Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) cornered the bulk with 2.38 million, of which 1.8 million were overseas, Cebu Pacific carried 1.02 million passengers and, Asian Spirit had 8,052 international passengers.

kiretoce

June 1st, 2008, 05:47 PM

Mendoza added 8 airports are set to be completed in the next 2 years. This year, 3 airports – the NAIA terminal 3, DMIA and Busuanga will be opened. Next year, the Davao-Iloilo terminal, Silay-Bacolod airport, the Laguindingan airport and Panglao airport in Bohol will be opened while there are ongoing negotiations for the Zamboanga airport opening. "We expect traffic to double in particular the tourists arrivals" Mendoza said adding that this will help decongest the growing passenger traffic in the country. Last year, a total of 11.24 million passengers inbound and outbound were recorded up 11 percent from the 10.13 million in 2006. Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) cornered the bulk with 2.38 million, of which 1.8 million were overseas, Cebu Pacific carried 1.02 million passengers and, Asian Spirit had 8,052 international passengers.

They still haven't caught that error of theirs! :bash:

By the way, I'd prefer they complete the new international terminal first before even thinking of adding another runway. My opnion.

habagatcentral1

June 1st, 2008, 05:47 PM

Mendoza added 8 airports are set to be completed in the next 2 years. This year, 3 airports – the NAIA terminal 3, DMIA and Busuanga will be opened. Next year, the Davao-Iloilo terminal, Silay-Bacolod airport, the Laguindingan airport and Panglao airport in Bohol will be opened while there are ongoing negotiations for the Zamboanga airport opening. "We expect traffic to double in particular the tourists arrivals" Mendoza said adding that this will help decongest the growing passenger traffic in the country. Last year, a total of 11.24 million passengers inbound and outbound were recorded up 11 percent from the 10.13 million in 2006. Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) cornered the bulk with 2.38 million, of which 1.8 million were overseas, Cebu Pacific carried 1.02 million passengers and, Asian Spirit had 8,052 international passengers.

Kaasar na to ha! :bash: Kahit ba naman i-quote, wala man lang ba silang effort i proofread? Like duh!!! Where is your Grade 4 Philippine Geography!!! Haynaku! :ohno:

Chrisvenz

June 1st, 2008, 07:10 PM

NAIA runaway can still handle more aircraft kahit isang runaway lang ginagamit nila. See kansai international airport the first runaway can handle around 150 aircraft a day.

mwg12a

June 1st, 2008, 09:29 PM

Hindi naman isang runway lang ang NAIA, parehong functional pa ang mga runway duon, kailangan lang kapalan pa at yuong nasa gitna ng T2 at T3, puwedeng lapadan at habaan yuong marker lalo na kung wala na sana ang Manila domestic terminal puwede na duon magsimula ang malaking eroplano lumipad imbes na sa bandang gitna..

Ang DMIA mas malaki nga lang ang "expandable space" dahil sa land area duon. Tamang tama pag hindi na talaga puwede sa NAIA.

They still haven't caught that error of theirs! :bash:

By the way, I'd prefer they complete the new international terminal first before even thinking of adding another runway. My opnion.

Sometimes you really wonder that these are really all just a big "blah blah" but in the end it was just an empty promises...

kalbongdad

June 2nd, 2008, 05:26 AM

Hindi naman isang runway lang ang NAIA, parehong functional pa ang mga runway duon, kailangan lang kapalan pa at yuong nasa gitna ng T2 at T3, puwedeng lapadan at habaan yuong marker lalo na kung wala na sana ang Manila domestic terminal puwede na duon magsimula ang malaking eroplano lumipad imbes na sa bandang gitna..

Ang DMIA mas malaki nga lang ang "expandable space" dahil sa land area duon. Tamang tama pag hindi na talaga puwede sa NAIA.

Sometimes you really wonder that these are really all just a big "blah blah" but in the end it was just an empty promises...

well....i don't think so..na blah blah lang yan.....dahil....clark is the future pagnakita nyo clark surroundings ngayon....malulula kayo sa development....so dmia...will no doubt replace....naia as the country's main gateway......

bustero

June 2nd, 2008, 09:26 AM

i think designating Clark as the premier gateway to the PHilippines protects airlines in NAIA. Let's face it most people will prefer to fly out of pasay than angeles just because it's nearer. Since this is a regional open skies travelling 90 minutes to fly 2 hours is not attractive unless they build a hi speed railway which will not happen anytime soon. Now they have a PR statement for a third runway, eh iyung isang runway palang di na masyadong gamit and will be less used with UPS lightening their load.

Solblanc

June 2nd, 2008, 10:49 AM

Raven83

June 2nd, 2008, 10:55 AM

^^ Didnt PAL already set up a fund for eventual operations at Clark? some $50m yata....wait I will look for that email from PAL holding....

(parang matagal ka yatang nawala sol?:) )

mwg12a

June 2nd, 2008, 05:14 PM

I am beginning to think that with DMIA being a caterer for LCC airlines and with opensky policy would lighten up the load of traffic in NAIA. I am not sure how much impact this would affect full service airlines like PAL, NWA, CAX and such but I would think the Asian Market would be affected due to cheaper airfares to and from neighboring Asian countries and possibly the middleeast in the future. So, NAIA might be catering more on long haul transpacific routes and europe but that's just my two cents on all these...

bustero

June 3rd, 2008, 05:48 AM

^^

seems to me like a win-win situation. With Clark as the open-skies port, Clark will get to grow on its own, and slowly, people in Manila will start getting used to the idea of travelling to Clark to fly abroad. Once there are more flights out of Clark, there will be more demand for better infrastructure between Clark and the Metro. Once NAIA reaches its ultimate limit, nobody would think twice about moving to Clark.

While this provision may seem a bit protectionist, PAL could end up being the biggest loser if they don't play their cards right. While other countries are inhibited from competing with PAL in MNL, PAL in turn is also inhibited from wantonly increasing their flights to the ASEAN from NAIA. They could end up losing out to Cebu Pacific, which already has plans to operate out of Clark.

This could be true and is a fair even assessment of what could happen.

This should surely hasten Clarks Development and in a big way but in the meantime consumers still get hit once again by protectionism in the short run.

My thinking is that in the long run, most travelers will still prefer flying out of Manila for regional flights. It would be difficult to do a same day return to regional capitals like HK or Sing if one has to go all the way to Clark even assuming there is some sort of fast railway. Anyway this is supposedly just a first step in regional open skies so this is most probably a delaying action. What I'm afraid of is that as the dates get closer there will surely be more resistance from PR to push greater deregulation in the region, this may be a problem not only for Manila but other PHil markets as well.

Raven, you're right PR said they were investing in Clark knowing that sooner or later they would need to move some operations there. The question is how much and when!

portludlow

June 3rd, 2008, 06:18 AM

kalbongdad

June 3rd, 2008, 07:33 AM

I thought Angeles City is just too far away from Metro Manila 87 km from Balintawak. I believe it will be decades before it becomes the premier airport. Some studies projects NAIA and T3 cant handle the volume within 10 years, if this is right then the government should now plan for contigencies to cut down the travel time between Angeles City and Manila.

One thing I noticed in Angeles City right now, big money Asian investors are muscling their way around the city taking over businesses in the hotels and entertainment industries dislodging long-term american and european owners of those facilities. :) :ohno: I dont know what to say....I guess development comes with its price.

yup korekek...that is correct.....that is the next boom town....we only need to see where government is putting its money...government is investing so much in infra in that area.....NLEX (done) SCTEX (done) DMIA (on-going) NORTHRAIL (on-going) Centennial Expo....is being revived as Nayong Pilipino Park - (on-going)....these projects indicates that government is trying to decongest metro manila....by developing the adjacent provinces.....

Solblanc

June 3rd, 2008, 11:07 AM

@Raven: haha, I didn't disappear, I just stopped posting for a while. I didn't really see the point in wasting energy typing "open T3" and similar stuff and sounding like a broken record in the process :D

@bustero: Yeah, I'm aware of PAL's planned investment at Clark, but I don't see how they can sustain a legacy operation in Clark that only flies to regional destinations, even in the near-term. I guess same-day trips are going to be difficult, but in the ASEAN region, one can only pull off a trip like that to Bangkok and Singapore, given current frequencies. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

barrera_marquez

June 3rd, 2008, 02:02 PM

Wala bang flights mula Manila-Clark?

This may sound funny but believe me, this could be the cheapest air fare available not to mention a very good choice for airline hobbyists and strollers...

Sky Harbor

June 3rd, 2008, 02:16 PM

^^ SEAIR previously operated flights between NAIA and Clark, but discontinued them. :(

bartstrife99

June 3rd, 2008, 02:39 PM

Any pic's development happening in Clark surrounding today? at yung sa DMIA mismo meron na ba?

whippersnapper

June 3rd, 2008, 03:10 PM

ano ba mali jan?

medviation

June 3rd, 2008, 03:17 PM

Baka ngayong linggo bisita ako sa Clark. Last time ko nanduun, inaalis na yung mga bahay-bahayan doon para sa railway.

ericlucky290

June 4th, 2008, 04:58 AM

^^ SEAIR previously operated flights between NAIA and Clark, but discontinued them. :(

Asian Spirit too used to have MNL-CRK route. I hope Clark will have more domestic flights in the near future :)

Sky Harbor

June 4th, 2008, 05:29 AM

I think the distance doesn't justify the cost. You wouldn't want to pay P4000 or more just to fly 90 km. It's too expensive.

bustero

June 4th, 2008, 06:23 AM

@bustero: Yeah, I'm aware of PAL's planned investment at Clark, but I don't see how they can sustain a legacy operation in Clark that only flies to regional destinations, even in the near-term. I guess same-day trips are going to be difficult, but in the ASEAN region, one can only pull off a trip like that to Bangkok and Singapore, given current frequencies. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

It's actually why I believe that this is just pr for PR (sorry couldn't help it:banana:). I think they're trying to lock out land that is valuable in the future paying lip service in the meantime. I'm not sure they plan to fly out there much in the near term specially when they have a superior position here in Manila. They don't have the planes anyway.

In the meantime this should be good for Clark, it's just disappointing that more competition is not coming round soon for Manila.

pinas4real

June 4th, 2008, 03:44 PM

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business4_june4_2008

Inflight catering facility up in Clark
By Rendy Isip

Miascor-Gate Gourmet, a $1.3-million inflight catering facility, will start operations this month, producing 4,000 meals a day in anticipation of more flights at the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport.

The joint venture will operate and manage the first-ever inflight catering facility inside the sprawling 2,500-hectare civil aviation complex to cater to the needs of air carriers plying the Clark route.

Jorge Macenas, Miascor-Gate Gourmet controller, said the facility located in Civil Aviation Complex would house a preparation kitchen, freezer, dish wash sanitation and food safety control areas.

The catering facility will employ 40 workers, including world-class Filipino chefs who are knowledgeable in the preparation of inflight meals.

Clark International Airport Corp. president Victor Jose Luciano will lead the inauguration of the facility tomorrow.

Other officials expected for the event are Clark International Airport Corp. vice president for operations and general manager Bienvenido Manga, vice president for finance Romeo Dyoco and Gate Gourmet’s Mark Wall, president for Asia-Pacific Region; Peter Andrist, vice president for business development, and Lars Fredrick Larsen, general manager.

The inflight catering service is a vital component for the development of the airport and efforts to attract Middle Eastern airlines to take the route, said Miascor director Jovino Lorenzo Jr. There are thousands of workers in the Middle East who fly home to the Philippines every day.

He said the second phase of the project would cost about $5 million.

bartstrife99

June 4th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Baka ngayong linggo bisita ako sa Clark. Last time ko nanduun, inaalis na yung mga bahay-bahayan doon para sa railway.

sana marami ng nagbago!:lol:

Chrisvenz

June 4th, 2008, 06:47 PM

kalbongdad

June 5th, 2008, 07:16 AM

that is a good sign that airport travel in dmia...is going strong....sana nga pagandahin na ang terminal dyan....

venntro

June 6th, 2008, 05:07 AM

richard24

June 6th, 2008, 07:05 AM

^^ perfect location would be at a central location with connection of a rail line: like the magallanes area., which is connected by the north-south connection PNR line, and MRT3., its also very near the makati central business district and a plus factor is the fact that its along edsa., :)

Manila-X

June 7th, 2008, 05:59 AM

If DMIA becomes the premier gateway for the country, there are plans to put up a IN-TOWN CHECK IN in Manila similar to Hong Kong's IN-TOWN Check In. The ideal place should be close to a Railway line connecting to Northrail for ease of movement like in Hong Kong. Candidates: (1) Trinoma/SM NoE area; (2) Ayala Glorietta area; (3) MOA area (although far from MRT/LRT lines; (4) Araneta Center Cubao; (5) Ortigas area; (6) Gotesco Caloocan area.

I would recommend Fort Bonifacio but it has to be done underground. This area is covenient especially those working and living in Makati. The Trinoma area is also recommended. Ortigas is also a good option since it lies "midtown"

I don't recommend the Gotesco Caloocan and Cubao areas. They are both congested.

Sky Harbor

June 7th, 2008, 06:12 AM

^^ I'd prefer existing train (PNR) stations for the location of these check-in areas (it's cost-effective and it does not involve building new rail infrastructure other than the rehabilitation of Northrail and Southrail). I would recommend:

-Muntinlupa (for Muntinlupa/Las Piñas residents)
-FTI (for Parañaque/Taguig residents)
-Magallanes (for Makati/Pasay residents, as well as residents along MRT-3)
-Buendia (closest to the Makati CBD and for Makati/Pasay residents)
-Vito Cruz (for San Andres/Ermita/Malate/Santa Ana residents)
-Santa Mesa (for Santa Mesa/Pandacan/Paco/Quiapo residents, as well as residents on MRT-2)
-España (for Sampaloc/San Miguel/Santa Cruz/Binondo residents)
-Tutuban (for Tondo residents, as well as residents along LRT-1 as Tutuban is the terminus of Southrail)
-Caloocan (terminus of Northrail)

Then for provincial areas, place them in Meycauayan, Malolos, San Fernando, Angeles City and SM City Clark.

venntro

June 7th, 2008, 12:46 PM

I would recommend Fort Bonifacio but it has to be done underground. This area is covenient especially those working and living in Makati. The Trinoma area is also recommended. Ortigas is also a good option since it lies "midtown"

I don't recommend the Gotesco Caloocan and Cubao areas. They are both congested.

^^ Nice choices. The In-Town Check In area should be highly accessible and like in other countries, it's more or less located near tourist areas to allow tourists easy access to it. The only reason why Gotesco Caloocan was even in the list was in deference to the planned Philippine version of a Grand Central station in Monumento.

kiretoce

June 9th, 2008, 02:50 PM

Clark's Middle East flights to serve OFWs (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2008/06/06/bus/clark.s.middle.east.flights.to.serve.ofws.html)

Thousands of overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) from Central and Northern Luzon are expected to benefit from the chartered flights offered by Transglobal Airways at the sprawling Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) here.

Clark International Airport Corporation (Ciac) president and chief executive officer (CEO) Victor Jose Luciano said Transglobal Airways will fly via Clark-Fujairah in the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The Transglobal flight will make a technical stop in Dhaka, Bangladesh before proceeding to Fujairah, UAE, which is an hour away from Dubai.

Luciano said Transglobal Airways will be using the 160-seater MD-83 aircraft noting that "the flight to the Middle East will greatly benefit the OFWs from Central and Northern Luzon."

Transglobal Airways launched its inaugural flight at DMIA last Friday morning signaling the start of their two times a week chartered flights at the 2,500 hectare civil aviation complex.

It will fly every Monday and Wednesday at DMIA inside the Clark Freeport Zone. The airways charterer is the Kang Pacific.

"This is a new beginning for DMIA especially in bringing flights to the Middle East where it will serve 1.8 million of OFWs working there," Luciano said.

"This will now be the link, it will not be in Metro Manila it will be in Clark," he stressed, "so our workers in the Middle East coming from Regions 1, 2 and 3 and Cordillera will not have to go to Manila and they can take their flights from DMIA."

"It could also serve Filipino travelers going to Europe," he added.

According to Luciano, Tansglobal is a Clark-based airline owned by a Filipino, Taiwanese and Korean group, which decided to expand their operations at the airport

"This flight would be very accessible to our OFWs working in the Middle East and the flight of Transglobal will make a difference for our countrymen abroad," he added.

"This is a start of our connection to the Middle East because there are so many of our countrymen clamoring for more airlines to fly from the Middle East to the Philippines."

Luciano also said Transglobal will be adding their flights to five times a week in the coming months at DMIA, adding that the aviation firm had already invested more than US$10 million with their aircraft and will increase their investment to another US$10 million.

He said they will add another aircraft Boeing 737 which will arrive by the end of June this year to fly the Bangkok-Clark route.

"This is a very good opportunity to introduce Clark to the Middle East," he said.

Luciano also expressed his gratitude to the members of the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) for allowing foreign air carriers to operate at DMIA, which was declared by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo as the Premier International Gateway of the country.

Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza had earlier said Clark would become the Port of Entry due to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) Open Skies roadmap, which is expected to be signed this December.

DMIA is averaging at least 40 flights per week due to the foreign carriers operating in the airport such as Asiana Airlines, Tiger Airways, Air Asia, China Southern Airlines, Deer Air and the local carriers Cebu Pacific, Asian Spirit, and Southeast Asian Airlines.

Kim_Han2020

June 10th, 2008, 04:40 AM

can someone post a latest picture of DMIA. . .:cheers:

Chrisvenz

June 11th, 2008, 02:17 PM

tska mga airlines na rin that serve DMIA. please post kayo ng pictures

ericlucky290

June 15th, 2008, 09:05 AM

Two more carriers get permit to fly internationally via Clark (http://www.bworldonline.com/BW060908/content.php?id=041)

TWO MORE airlines will soon be flying international routes via the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark, Pampanga after obtaining an operating permit from the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB).

Permits were given to Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAIR) and Spirit of Manila Airlines Corp., said Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) President and Chief Executive Officer Victor Jose I. Luciano, who met with CAB officials last week

Spirit of Manila, a Filipino-owned company with Middle Eastern minority stockholders, intends to fly to Bahrain with its Boeing 767, which can accommodate 250 passengers, Mr. Luciano said. Spirit of Manila officials were not available for comment yesterday.

Here is a Sunday ads (06/15/08) from Manila Bulletin:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/ericlucky290/Forum/newairlines-1.jpg

venntro

June 17th, 2008, 10:26 AM

... I like them to finish the Phase1 and Phase3 first. It's really awesome to ride on a train that will bring you from Fort Bonifacio to Clark International Airport in about an hour and not only that, you can check in your baggage right away at Fort Bonifacio Central Station. Other check-in centers will be located at Guiguinto Intermodal Station and the Clark Intermodal Station. They will also set-up a pick-up station at Caloocan and sooner or later, they will upgrade it also to baggage check-in centers.

Wow!!! Sooner or later, Northrail will operate a train that runs at 130kph to fully serve the Airport Express Service... :)

^^ If this post is accurate then there are already plans for the in-town check in at Fort Bonifacio, Caloocan, and Guiguinto.

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 09:01 PM

Guys check this out, Chengdu shuangliu international airport. I hope the masterplan in DMIA will use modern terminal designs like this one:
http://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20080622/200806220320338378.jpg
http://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20080622/200806220319577088.jpg
http://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20080622/200806220322197216.jpg

Looks like it only has 2 runways. The DMIA plan is a massive one, and will be one of the largest airport in the world when its done.

flesh_is_weak

June 24th, 2008, 09:06 PM

actually, maganda din yung masterplan nang Diosdado...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Clark_airportdevelopment_masterplan.jpg

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 09:12 PM

LET'S GO DMIA! (followup post)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/Clark_airportdevelopment_masterplan.jpg/800px-Clark_airportdevelopment_masterplan.jpg

Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA, Filipino: Paliparang Pandaigdig ng Diosdado Macapagal, Kapampangan: Sulapawang Internasyonal ning Diosdado Macapagal), also called Clark International Airport (IATA: CRK, ICAO: RPLC), is the main airport serving the immediate vicinity of the Clark Special Economic Zone (CSEZ) and the general area of Angeles City in the Philippines. It is located on an area of the CSEZ formerly used as the airfield of the Clark Air Base, which was closed in 1991 by the U.S. Air Force after the explosion of Mount Pinatubo, subsequently cleaned and reopened as the CSEZ.

The two runways in DMIA are capable of NASA Space Shuttle landings. However, it is no longer listed as an active landing site[3], and has never had a Space Shuttle land there[4].

The airport is managed by the Clark International Airport Corporation (CIAC), a government-owned and/or controlled corporation.

The airport is being developed to be the Premier Gateway Airport of the Philippines replacing Ninoy Aquino International Airport by year 2010.

FUTURE PLANS
After ten years since the conception of the Clark International Airport Corporation and after conducting various master development plans for the airport in Clark, the CIAC Board finally approved a Master Plan for the development of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport. The plans are to expand and modernize the existing passenger terminal and turn it into a terminal for low cost airlines and soon to be the country's premier international gateway, making it Manila's Low Cost Airline Terminal and the fourth such terminal in Asia, after Kuala Lumpur International Airport, Kota Kinabalu International Airport and Singapore Changi Airport. There are also low cost terminals planned for Suvarnabhumi Airport and Penang Airport.

There are also ambitious plans to construct a passenger terminal much bigger and more technologically advanced than Hong Kong International Airport's passenger terminal and Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport's passenger terminal and the same size as Beijing Capital Airport Terminal 3. The airport project is similar to Hong Kong's Airport Core Programme.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Clark_Airport.jpg/800px-Clark_Airport.jpg
Existing terminal and works underway

Premier Gateway Plan
The project includes and features:

>Demolition of most airport structures except the existing passenger terminal.

>Apron of the existing passenger terminal, and the two runways expansion and modernisation of the existing passenger terminal and its conversion into a Low Cost Airline Terminal.

>The extension of the eastern runway to 4000 meters.

>Construction of a y-shaped main passenger terminal building with 126 jetways (19 which are A380 ready) and a x-shaped satellite concourse with 79 jetways (12 which are A380 ready) and a new control tower in the midfield.

>Construction of new taxiways and aprons.

>Construction of four new runways.

>Construction of a new cargo terminal complex.

>Construction of an airport plaza which will house the wellwishers facility.

>Construction of Management offices, business center and airport hotel and will also have a retail area.

>Construction of a Ground Transportation Center (GTC) below the airport plaza which will house an Airport Railway station, the airport bus station, the taxi station and the car rentals.

>Construction of a People Mover Automatic People Mover (APM) connecting the airport plaza and the GTC with the main passenger terminal and the satellite terminal.

>Construction of a new railway with 2 separate lines, one for the Airport Railway and another for the NorthRail commuter and high speed rail line serving Manila and the northern provinces of Luzon.

>Construction of 2 interchanges from the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway which will connect to the existing North Luzon Expressway.
Additional features:

Three parallel runways capable of NASA space shuttle landings (one of only three in world).

Facility can accommodate the A380 once completed.
Will be one of the largest airports in the world.
When completed, it will have:

145 Frontal Rontal Gates and
134 Remote Gates
4 Runways

Once completed it can accommodate 110 million passengers annually, becoming one of the largest and most technologically advanced airports in the world.

On 5 February 2007, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ordered the Clark International Airport Corp. to hasten the P56.5-billion or $1.7-billion development of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport and the approval of $2-million study plan financed by the Korean International Cooperation Agency. In January 2008, the first stage of DMIA's expansion program, the P130-million Terminal Expansion, was completed to accommodate at least 2 million passengers annually.

The second phase of the airport expansion project, dubbed Premier Gateway Terminal as part of its ambition to replace NAIA as the "Premier Gateway to the Philippines", will start on April 2008 and is scheduled to become operational in 2009, to include retrofitting to better accommodate wide-bodied aircraft like Boeing 747-8 & Airbus A380.

Awards
The Center for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) chose Diosdado Macapagal International Airport as Low-Cost Airport of the Year 2006.

The 2008 Frost & Sullivan Asia Pacific Aerospace and Defense Awards chose Diosdado Macapagal International Airport as Airport of the Year (for airports under 15 million passengers category).
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AERIAL PHOTOS & VIDEOS:
http://wiki.worldflicks.org/diosdado_macapagal_international_airport.html

kiretoce

June 24th, 2008, 09:13 PM

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 09:16 PM

actually, maganda din yung masterplan nang Diosdado...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Clark_airportdevelopment_masterplan.jpg

Yup i agree with you! I was browsing the massive Doha airport project lately, and i could imagine how DMIA will compete with these new modern airports in the world.

The only thing i noticed is that the DMIA plan photo has only 3 runways when it supposed to be 4 runways according to the plan.

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 09:24 PM

The architectural design looks similar to Suvarnabhumi Airport.

Yup and actually they both look like some giant robotic centepedes....

How many runways are there at Suvarnabhumi's? Im just trying to compare our DMIA from them.... :)

flymordecai

June 24th, 2008, 09:25 PM

Now with NAIA opening, I wonder about DMIA's plan to become the premier gateway into the country. Has work on that new terminal started yet?

kiretoce

June 24th, 2008, 09:31 PM

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 09:36 PM

Now with NAIA opening, I wonder about DMIA's plan to become the premier gateway into the country. Has work on that new terminal started yet?

Dapat lang ituloy parin nila ang mga plano sa DMIA dahil ang NAIA will eventually become obsolete anyway, sooner or later. After the DMIA masterplan s done, build a replacement and secondary int'l airport somewhere within 20km off or in manila (w/c im hoping the sangley pt), then i-convert nayang naia into something like a grand central stations for public transpo.

I think its under phase 3 (premier gateway plan), or 2012. Somebody kept editing the DMIA wickepedia infos. Lumalabas na mas malaki pa ang DMIA kesa sa Doha...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diosdado_Macapagal_International_Airport

Anyway, ito ulit yung plans:

Premier Gateway Plan
The project includes and features:

>Demolition of most airport structures except the existing passenger terminal.

>Apron of the existing passenger terminal, and the two runways expansion and modernisation of the existing passenger terminal and its conversion into a Low Cost Airline Terminal.

>The extension of the eastern runway to 4000 meters.

>Construction of a y-shaped main passenger terminal building with 126 jetways (19 which are A380 ready) and a x-shaped satellite concourse with 79 jetways (12 which are A380 ready) and a new control tower in the midfield.

>Construction of new taxiways and aprons.

>Construction of four new runways.

>Construction of a new cargo terminal complex.

>Construction of an airport plaza which will house the wellwishers facility.

>Construction of Management offices, business center and airport hotel and will also have a retail area.

>Construction of a Ground Transportation Center (GTC) below the airport plaza which will house an Airport Railway station, the airport bus station, the taxi station and the car rentals.

>Construction of a People Mover Automatic People Mover (APM) connecting the airport plaza and the GTC with the main passenger terminal and the satellite terminal.

>Construction of a new railway with 2 separate lines, one for the Airport Railway and another for the NorthRail commuter and high speed rail line serving Manila and the northern provinces of Luzon.

>Construction of 2 interchanges from the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway which will connect to the existing North Luzon Expressway.
Additional features:

Three parallel runways capable of NASA space shuttle landings (one of only three in world).

Facility can accommodate the A380 once completed.
Will be one of the largest airports in the world.
When completed, it will have:

145 Frontal Rontal Gates and
134 Remote Gates
4 Runways

Once completed it can accommodate 110 million passengers annually, becoming one of the largest and most technologically advanced airports in the world.

On 5 February 2007, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ordered the Clark International Airport Corp. to hasten the P56.5-billion or $1.7-billion development of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport and the approval of $2-million study plan financed by the Korean International Cooperation Agency. In January 2008, the first stage of DMIA's expansion program, the P130-million Terminal Expansion, was completed to accommodate at least 2 million passengers annually.

The second phase of the airport expansion project, dubbed Premier Gateway Terminal as part of its ambition to replace NAIA as the "Premier Gateway to the Philippines", will start on April 2008 and is scheduled to become operational in 2009, to include retrofitting to better accommodate wide-bodied aircraft like Boeing 747-8 & Airbus A380.

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 09:40 PM

It has two runways.

Runway 01R/19L - 4,000m/13,123ft (asphalt)
Runway 01L/19R - 3,700m/12,139ft (asphalt)

Tnx kiretoce!

That means the final dmia masterplan will be larger than both of them.

>Doha is about 70 million/yr passenger capability.
>DMIA is 110 million/yr passenger capability.

Sana matuloy na nga ang dmia plans! :)

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 10:19 PM

Based on DMIA's future masterplan, it will not be the largest airport on the planet as you might like to claim.

@ Cebuano, if you were only paying more attention to what i have posted, you will take back what you just said about me. I never said, claimed, nor thought that it will be the "largest in the world" once its finished! Ano sabat ka kasi ng sabat.... :lol:

And also i was only comparing the numbers of runways (not the length), the designs and capacity of terminals. :bash:

So dont worry i know its not gonna be the #1 airport in the world! But it will be one of the best, kung matuloy. Ok tsong?

flesh_is_weak

June 24th, 2008, 10:19 PM

maybe they could move all the freight terminals to one side and convert the apron of one of the freight terminals into a runway

spearhead

June 24th, 2008, 10:40 PM

Whoever edited the link must have missed something....

dancethingy

June 24th, 2008, 11:00 PM

^^ Don't mind friend. There are so many in these forums nowadays that just take a forumer's post and run with it, assuming and generalizing. A comment is taken completely out of context and arguments are started. Wasn't like it used to be.

For me, an efficiently ran airport with decent facilities is enough. The future of DMIA is bright, i hope Arroyo keeps a close eye and remains involved in its development after her term expires.

The Cebuano Exultor

June 24th, 2008, 11:01 PM

And also i was only comparing the numbers of runways (not the length), the designs and capacity of terminals. :bash:

^^ Which is precisely why I indicated the number of runways that each airport has!

So dont worry i know its not gonna be the #1 airport in the world! But it will be one of the best, kung matuloy. Ok tsong?

^^ Sorry, I misread your post. I seemed to have skipped-read the words "one of" in your post: "one of the largest in the world when it's done."

Peace. :D

spearhead

June 25th, 2008, 12:08 AM

^^ Which is precisely why I indicated the number of runways that each airport has!

^^ Sorry, I misread your post. I seemed to have skipped-read the words "one of" in your post: "one of the largest in the world when it's done."

Peace. :D

yeahman! :cheers:

cHemon

June 25th, 2008, 04:27 AM

Yup and actually they both look like some giant robotic centepedes....

How many runways are there at Suvarnabhumi's? Im just trying to compare our DMIA from them.... :)

It has two runways.

Runway 01R/19L - 4,000m/13,123ft (asphalt)
Runway 01L/19R - 3,700m/12,139ft (asphalt)

Tnx kiretoce!

That means the final dmia masterplan will be larger than both of them.

>Doha is about 70 million/yr passenger capability.
>DMIA is 110 million/yr passenger capability.

Sana matuloy na nga ang dmia plans! :)

In the masterplan, Suvarnabhumi International Airport will have 4 runways, 2 on the east side of the main terminal, and another 2 on the west side.
There has also been a talk about the 5th runway that will expand to the east side of the airport. But reclaimation is needed.
Right now, the construction of the 3rd runway is on going.

http://www.tatnews.org/tourism_news/images/Suvarnabhumi/main/b-site_plan.jpg

:)

medviation

June 25th, 2008, 02:43 PM

Let's compare...

I've downloaded a freeware airport design software (AFCAD) and also some major airports in the Asian region including NAIA for this software. I've done the DMIA with this using some of the masterplan pictures posted here...

New Tokyo Intl. (Narita) airport
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5824/rjaato6.jpg
Chiang Kai Shek Intl. (Taipei)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4678/rctpmm2.jpg
Soekarno-Hatta Intl. (Jakarta)
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6042/wiiiew8.jpg
Suvarnabhumi Intl. (Bangkok)
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3720/vtbswp2.jpg
Chep Lak Kok Intl. (Hong Kong)
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8632/vhhhdo2.jpg
Kuala Lumpur-Sepang Intl. (Kuala Lumpur)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/5715/wmkklo3.jpg
Ninoy Aquino Intl. (Manila)
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1085/rpllgn7.jpg
and the Diosdado Macapagal Intl.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2492/rplcmasterplanbi9.jpg

Pramis to-scale yan! Wala akong iniba. Sinunod ko lahat ng nakasabi sa masterplan. :okay:

tigidig14

June 25th, 2008, 03:59 PM

Ayos!

jefflacs

June 25th, 2008, 04:57 PM

walang mangquoquote nung pinost ni medviation ha! joke xD

kiretoce

June 25th, 2008, 05:03 PM

^^ :rofl:

mwg12a

June 25th, 2008, 09:24 PM

Heaven's sake, seems like so much fuzz about DMIA. It's always nice to dream and aspire of something big but we still have to do a bit of a reality check somehow. It's still just a plan and lets allow to rearlistically see NAIA and DMIA reached 30 million passenger annually atleast before we can dream about 100 milliona passengers a year terminal building... that is since I believe NAIA alone is averaging 23 million passengers yearly while Changi and KL airports are just around 50 million passengers yearly, you guys can correct some of my stats, but it does play a ball park figure around that much for all other asian main gateways...

spearhead

June 26th, 2008, 02:42 AM

AStig! Bibwet talaga ng NAIA, and lalake ng KL tsaka BK... DMIA may panglaban kahit paano, pero ang hirap isipin na aabot tayo ng 110 million passenger a yr! :lol: Sino kaya yung lokong nag-edit kasi sa wikipedia, 110 daw, almost too good to be true.....

Goku_25

June 26th, 2008, 12:11 PM

Dapat lang ituloy parin nila ang mga plano sa DMIA dahil ang NAIA will eventually become obsolete anyway, sooner or later. After the DMIA masterplan s done, build a replacement and secondary int'l airport somewhere within 20km off or in manila (w/c im hoping the sangley pt), then i-convert nayang naia into something like a grand central stations for public transpo.

I think its under phase 3 (premier gateway plan), or 2012. Somebody kept editing the DMIA wickepedia infos. Lumalabas na mas malaki pa ang DMIA kesa sa Doha...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diosdado_Macapagal_International_Airport

Anyway, ito ulit yung plans:
Kung gagawa sila ng secondary international airport para rin sa Maynila na ilalagay yun sa somewhere in CALABARZON at tinapos ang expansion project ng DMIA sa Central Luzon as a premier airport, edi gawin nila ang NAIA na parang Seoul Gimpo or Tokyo Haneda na nagseserve lamang ng domestic flights at International "City-to-City" flights.

bustero

July 1st, 2008, 04:09 AM

This is the kinda off bullshit of the local airlines that freaks me out. They prevent pocket open skies for Clark , they don't want others to fly the routes yet they themselves are not going to service it anyway!!!! They even make it seem as if only foreign carriers can fly out of Clark.

Government, airlines to map out action plan for RP
By Mary Ann Ll. Reyes
Tuesday, July 1, 2008

Government and the local aviation sector are set to negotiate on an action plan to allow the Philippines to reap the full benefits of the opening up of the Clark to Hong Kong route to local carriers.

In an interview, Cebu Pacific president Lance Gokongwei told The STAR that while the recent air talks between the Philippines and the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) have resulted in an increase in passenger capacity from zero to 6,400 passengers per week in the Clark-to-Hong Kong route, the company still has to review its plans as far as flying from that part of the country.

However, Gokongwei emphasized that the opening up of the route is a good benefit for the Philippines.

Previously, only foreign airlines such as Hongkong Airlines were allowed to fly out of Clark. “This agreement gives reciprocal rights for local carriers. This is a good step forward because local carriers were at a disadvantage,” he said.

But Gokongwei said mounting flights from Clark to Hong Kong will not be immediate. “We have to review our plans,” he pointed out.

For his part, Philippine Airlines (PAL) assistant vice president for government affairs Jocen Perez de Tagle, who was part of the air talks, said that although this route has been opened up to local carriers, it may take some time before they actually avail of it.

He explained that government agencies, including the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) and other support agencies such as the Clark International Airport Corp. and the Clark Development Corp., and the local aviation sector will have to negotiate on how to first develop Clark as a viable route for Philippine carriers.

The negotiations, he said, will include making available property for local carriers where they can put up their own support facilities for the flights, including maintainance and catering services. “It might take a year or more before we can actually fly out of Clark,” he revealed.

“We first want to build a base, a network of three or four routes. We also would like to have aircrafts that will be stationed in Clark instead of flying them first from Manila,” he added.

De Tagle said PAL cannot fly immediately to Clark even if it wants to, until the support services are in place. “But we are working on it. We have plans to invest as much as $50 million to do all this. What is important though is that the Philippines has the rights to fly out of Clark,” he explained.

crappypants

July 1st, 2008, 05:16 AM

ericlucky290

July 9th, 2008, 06:39 AM

I saw kanina sa Clark along MA Roxas Ave yung ads that speak about Clark to US flight, anyone who has more information about this? The ads just says something like "America bababa sa DMIA?" with DMIA and Asiana logo at the bottom

kiretoce

July 9th, 2008, 05:16 PM

OZ (Asiana Airlines) flies to the US from CRK via it's hub at ICN. Maybe that's what the billboard ad meant.

Juan Pilgrim

July 9th, 2008, 07:52 PM

How far is DMIA from Metro Manila?
In terms of Km and/or hrs. of travel?

:horse:

JP

bustero

July 9th, 2008, 10:06 PM

Around 80 km.
From the beginning of North Diversion( balintawak) to Clark around an hour to the terminal itself.
From Manila city and cubao 20 min. to balintawak
Ortigas 30 min to balintawak
Makati 45 min to balintawak.
Manila INternational Airport to Balintawak 60 min
Alabang to Balintawak 90 min

These are approximate averages for travel in the day non peak periods.

Juan Pilgrim

July 9th, 2008, 10:11 PM

that distance is not so bad.
not bad at all!!!

it is comparable to the distance to most major airports around the world IMO.

:horse:

JP

mwg12a

July 10th, 2008, 06:00 AM

But those are straight shot drive and not have to go through traffic? or with traffic? Because I know it takes more than an hour and a half to get to Cubao from Alabang...

pau_p1

July 10th, 2008, 10:58 AM

that estimate would be with moderate traffic... and on light traffic and fast driving, you can drive through the whole of EDSA in 15mins from Makati to Balintawak..

mwg12a

July 11th, 2008, 02:59 AM

That would be after 9 Pm at night and 5 am in the morning I bet..LMAO
But, what do I know? traffic might be easier now than it used to be before all these traffic schemes , fly over and such?

xandro

July 11th, 2008, 05:40 AM

read from the newspaper today that they're already accepting bids for the second terminal for the clark airport. here's the first couple of paragraphs from the invitation:

Invitation to Apply for Eligibility and to Submit a Proposal

Design, Finance, Construct and Operate the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport Passenger Terminal 2 Project Through a Joint Venture with the Clark International Airport Corporation

1. The Clark International Airport Corporation (CIAC) invites interested Private Sector Participants (PSP) to submit a proposal to Design, Finance, Construct and Operate the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport Passenger Terminal 2 Project through a Joint Venture (JV) with the Clark International Airport Corporation with a Minimum Investment Commitment of One Hundred Forty Two Million Two Hundred Thousand United States Dollars (US$142,200,000.00 or Php6,477,210,000.00 at US$1.00:Php45.55).

the rest of it can be read at www.clarkairport.com

medviation

July 11th, 2008, 08:23 AM

How many gates are there in the two terminals of clark?

bartstrife99

July 12th, 2008, 12:22 PM

How many gates are there in the two terminals of clark?

Eligibility to Bid pa lang di ba bisg sabihin walang proposed structure!? tama ba?

mwg12a

July 12th, 2008, 04:16 PM

Sigh!!!!Invidation to bid for those who wanted to invest their money for the construction of a second terminal building. It means, they are trying to gather some people willing to fund for the construction. Those who wanted to participate in the joint venture agreement may submit their bids. The participants would receive a chunk of interest on their investment once and if there will be a new T2 for Clark. In other words MONEY TALK for those who are willing to gamble. And no, there is no blue print for a T2 except the ones that has been posted here in the past which is basically just a "concept design" for the future.

starpogi

July 12th, 2008, 04:34 PM

Ito na!

http://www.clarkairport.com/images/real_masterplan.jpg

mwg12a

July 12th, 2008, 04:47 PM

That's an old one and has been posted here a few times before...

FerrariLover

July 12th, 2008, 05:32 PM

I saw an ad yesterday from (Phil.Star/Inquirer) on the bidding for DMIA
terminal 2 design & construction. This is a good news. The question is
does it still follows the original master plan?:nuts:

sonnyville

July 13th, 2008, 12:07 AM

they should revise it. the airport property is capable of having 4 to 5 runways if its planned out properly. plenty of space and government should buy out neighboring properties if they really want to invest right.

pi_malejana

July 13th, 2008, 06:25 AM

bustero

July 14th, 2008, 07:41 AM

They originally planned for 4 runways but found out that they would loose to much land that has other uses (it would eat up to as far as the areas where the duty free stores are) so they settled for three since MIA would still be around and perhaps a third MM airport.

greenarcher

July 15th, 2008, 11:36 PM

^^ di na kailangang dagdagan pa ng runway IMO.. pwede na yung anjan sa master plan which has 3 runways.. kasi mrami ngang runways kung di naman maganda ang landing/takeoff procedures, there is a high risk of collision.. dito nga sa JFK napakarami ngang runways, marami ring planes ang muntik nang magcollide(the most recent one happened 2 days ago).. tuloy ang FAA, binago ang flight procedures...

i agree.. 3 runways are adequate but 4 should be the max..

the problem w/ JFK is the perpendicular runway and a parallel runway being used at the same time..

CRK has parallel runways so there shouldn't be that much of a problem in terms of how many they have. :D

kiretoce

July 16th, 2008, 01:46 AM

http://www.clarkairport.com/images/real_masterplan.jpg

This plan is dated. They should update it, or at least start thinking about a newer and more current design.

kiretoce

July 16th, 2008, 01:50 AM

Post away folks! :colgate:

Link to Thread 3 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=463874) in the Archives. :okay:

kiretoce

July 16th, 2008, 01:50 AM

New thread! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=663448) :colgate:

:lock:

flymordecai

July 16th, 2008, 08:17 AM

Obligatory Masterplan Post:

http://www.clarkairport.com/images/real_masterplan.jpg

How many years until we see the masterplan fully realized? My guess: 2020

diz

July 16th, 2008, 08:43 AM

According to a website I stumbled upon earlier today...

2025. :lol:

flymordecai

July 16th, 2008, 08:55 AM

What website?

spearhead

July 16th, 2008, 02:57 PM

ganda sana ng plano lalo na yung "satellite concourse", pero mukhang di nanaman matutuloy, naatras nanaman daw ang plano kasi e..

But there is an interesting previous report, and mentioned about the possible closure of NAIA T1:
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2008/01/30/rapid.upgrade.of.diosdado.macapagal.airport.pushed.(01.23.p.m.).html

Wolf1968 ^_^

July 16th, 2008, 08:11 PM

Rapid upgrade of Diosdado Macapagal Airport pushed (01:23 p.m.) (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2008/01/30/rapid.upgrade.of.diosdado.macapagal.airport.pushed.(01.23.p.m.).html)

MANILA -- President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo ordered the immediate development of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (Dmia) at the Clark Freeport Zone in Pampanga as the country’s premier airport to accommodate future increase in tourism and investors arrivals in the country and in anticipation of the possible “closure” of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia) Terminal 1.

Arroyo ordered the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) to come up with an executive order (EO) in two to three weeks that would facilitate the conversion of the Dmia into the country’s premier airport.

Chief Presidential Legal Counsel Sergio Antonio Apostol was also directed to work with the DOTC on the proposed EO, which would cover the liberalizing of the aviation over Dmia and the Subic International Airport, particularly to iron out any legal issues.

Deputy Presidential spokesperson Lorelei Fajardo said the EO would take note of the existing open skies policy in the country along with similar policies and existing air agreements with the neighboring countries.

She said other technical details would also be threshed out by the DOTC.

Arroyo wants the conversion of the Dmia realized in six months to one year.

Dmia at present boasts of 3.2 kilometer parallel runways which would later be extended to four kilometers to accommodate wide-bodied airplanes, and is equipped with an instrument landing system, navigational aids, meteorological equipment, and a complete airfield lightning system.

Dmia has also been certified by the International Civil Aviation Organization (Icao) with ratings of Category 1 for precision approach runway, and Category 9 for emergency services.

The development aims to realize Arroyo’s vision of “Clark and Subic as the country’s logistics hub in the Asia-Pacific region and the new international gateways of the country”.

Fajardo said the move is also in anticipation of the possible closure of Naia 2 which is expected to be downgraded.

She said quoting Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro Mendoza that the Naia 1 might be downgraded and it might eventually be closed down.

She said the Naia Terminal 1 at present is still considered as the country’s premier airport but there is a need to expand and improved on the airport facilities as the government promotes the country as a good place to visit and invest in.

She said by conversion of the Dmia into the premier airport in the country, stemmed from recommendations of the DOTC, the Department of Tourism (DOT) and members of private sectors including businessmen from Pampanga, Clark and Subic.

She cited that there were cases when, due to heavy air traffic, some carriers were unable to land in the Naia runways and even wait for about 30 minutes before they could land.

She added that even if the controversial Naia Terminal 3 is opened and becomes operational, it will not be enough to accommodate the influx of tourists and investors.

The Naia 1 has a runway of about 2.6 kilometers while Dmia has 3.2 kilometers.

Fajardo assured that there are still plans to open Terminal 3 which the government hopes to be realized within the year.

She also denied that the controversy surrounding Terminal 3 and long delay in opening the airport prompted the decision to develop Dmia instead as the premier airport.

Deputy spokesman Anthony Rolando Golez said with the intensive campaign for more tourists and investors, the country would need to have the appropriate infrastructures and facilities to accommodate them.

He said one region that the Philippines is eyeing to invite is the members of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republic to tour and possibly invest in the Philippines.

The Dmia since opening in 2004 posted a continued increase in the number of flights and passengers.

In 2006 it recorded 2,065 international flights with 470,867 passengers which was a 110 percent increase from 2005 which only had 1,188 flights with 224,497 passengers and in 2004, recorded 230 international flights with 49,546 passengers.

It also offered domestic flights recording 443 flights in 2006, 455 in 2005 and 432 in 2004 and collected terminal fees of up to P81.097 million in 2006 from P35.863 million in 2005 and P8.83 million in 2004. (JMR/Sunnex)

kiretoce

July 16th, 2008, 08:24 PM

^^ Please provide links as to where you gleaned that article from. Thank you. :colgate:

bustero

July 17th, 2008, 09:11 AM

That article is factually wrong, they have MIA runway at 2.6
13/31 is 2.3 and 6/24 is 3.7 which is actually longer than Clark

zmep

July 17th, 2008, 06:06 PM

Yes, bustero is correct. Naia's main runway is 3.7kms, the other runway is 2.6kms.

sonnyville

July 18th, 2008, 01:05 AM

that master plan is not final. they will still revise and change things once the government finds a contractor and investors. i'll start believing in this "gateway to our country" when they actually start constructing things.

Xeon

July 22nd, 2008, 03:22 AM

"posible closure of NAIA Terminal 1"

correct me if i'm wrong but is this the one near Makati/Paranaque? :nuts: If it is then we might have another Fort Bonifacio style development :cheers:

kiretoce

July 22nd, 2008, 03:27 AM

^^ Clark airport is in Angeles, Pampanga. North of Manila.

Culiat

July 22nd, 2008, 03:39 AM

^^ Clark airport is in Angeles, Pampanga. North of Manila.

I think he's/she's talking about NAIA terminal one.

mwg12a

July 22nd, 2008, 03:44 AM

^^^ Yeah Kiretoce, what were you thinking???d'oh...LMAO kidding

flip2_0

July 22nd, 2008, 06:44 AM

^^ Clark airport is in Angeles, Pampanga. North of Manila.

I think what Kiretoce meant... that s/he's in the wrong thread. :lol:

jbkayaker12

July 22nd, 2008, 07:37 AM

portludlow

July 22nd, 2008, 07:58 AM

^^ i think they can handle them if they convert all the motel rooms they have there. :lol:

seriously, the last few years there is a hotel boom in angeles city in anticipation of CRK as a major hub. expats have been muscling their way in the hospitality business. but i agree if it becomes a full pleged airport i think the city of angeles will be hard pressed to accomodate the influx even with the significant increase of rooms available in the last three years.

remember though the city have a long tradition in tourism related business. they have been through a lot with boom and bust cycles. they always been able to re-invent themselves even on hard times like the closure of clark afb and pinatubo eruption. we can just hope they will deliver when the time comes.

jbkayaker12

July 22nd, 2008, 08:06 AM

^^^^^We'll see how this one turns out. Hehehe, regarding Angeles City and its famous trade, I'm sure there will be no shortages in that regard.:lol:

bustero

July 22nd, 2008, 09:17 AM

There's enough tourism infra for the airport there. Majority can easily commute to MMproper as it's not that far away, with multiple choices.

jbkayaker12

July 22nd, 2008, 12:39 PM

We're not just talking chartered international flights here but regularly scheduled flights coming from all over the world. I doubt with the current capacity of Angeles City it will be able to handle a major influx of international travelers. Even facilities inside the former Clark Air Force Base will not be enough to accomodate huge volume of visitors.

As far travelling to Metro Manila, just imagine the logistics needed to accomplish that journey. For Angeles City to be a gateway city in the Philippines it must definitely have adequate tourism infrastructure. Look at Metro Manila and the problem it is having with trying to cope with the influx of visitors, now compare Angeles City and Metro Manila.

Xeon

July 22nd, 2008, 01:10 PM

I was referring to the article Wolf1968 posted :)

I'm sure analysts are aware of the future problems that Angeles City might face with the opening of DMIA. Keep in mind though the majority of tourists will be more interested in staying/traveling to other areas like Manila, and other tourist magnets. If that's the case then a handful of lodging, shopping areas and an efficient transportation network would be enough to accomodate upcoming tourists. Now if Angeles City really wants to attract tourists to their area, then we're talking about another story/topic.

medviation

July 22nd, 2008, 01:48 PM

Yes. That's why they're building a northrail and another expressway parallel to the NLEX connecting to Metro Manila. The only thing Angeles City must be is a good first impression. It doesn't have to be the main attraction right away.

anonymous_filipino

July 22nd, 2008, 02:17 PM

^^ I don't remember an expressway parallel to NLEX either being planned or being constructed...

hecky12

July 22nd, 2008, 04:53 PM

related pa rin siguro to.. heheheh

http://photos-195.friendster.com/e1/photos/59/14/3244195/1_868605622l.jpg

DMIA Master Plan

Premier Gateway Plan

The project includes and features:
-Demolition of most airport structures except the existing passenger terminal.
-Apron of the existing passenger terminal, and the two runways expansion and modernisation of the existing passenger terminal and its conversion into a Low Cost Airline Terminal.
-The extension of the eastern runway to 4000 meters.
-Construction of a y-shaped main passenger terminal building with 126 jetways (19 which are A380 ready) and a x-shaped satellite concourse with 79 jetways (12 which are A380 ready) and a new control tower in the midfield.
-Construction of new taxiways and aprons.
-Construction of four new runways.
-Construction of a new cargo terminal complex.
-Construction of an airport plaza which will house the wellwishers facility.
-Construction of Management offices, business center and airport hotel and will also have a retail area.
-Construction of a Ground Transportation Center (GTC) below the airport plaza which will house an Airport Railway station, the airport bus station, the taxi station and the car rentals.
-Construction of a People Mover Automatic People Mover (APM) connecting the airport plaza and the GTC with the main passenger terminal and the satellite terminal
-Construction of a new railway with 2 separate lines, one for the Airport Railway and another for the NorthRail commuter and high speed rail line serving Manila and the northern provinces of Luzon.
-Construction of 2 interchanges from the Subic-Clark-Tarlac Expressway which will connect to the existing North Luzon Expressway.

Additional features:
-Three parallel runways capable of NASA space shuttle landings (one of only three in world).
-Facility can accommodate the A380 once completed.
-Will be one of the largest airports in the world.

When completed, it will have:
-145 Frontal Rontal Gates and
-134 Remote Gates
-4 Runways
-Once completed it can accommodate 110 million passengers annually. becoming one of the largest and most technologically advanced airports in the world.

hecky12

July 22nd, 2008, 05:24 PM

http://photos-195.friendster.com/e1/photos/59/14/3244195/1_868605622l.jpg

DMIA Master Plan

nico216

July 22nd, 2008, 09:14 PM

jbkayaker12

July 22nd, 2008, 11:10 PM

who do people underestimate angeles city? isn't it unfair to compare angeles with manila? just because metro manila can't handle the influx of visitors doesn't necessarily mean that angeles also won't? refer to the koreans. we do they love angeles more than manila? because of the one thing that angeles does not have which manila is in abundance of.. CHAOS!

new tourism infrastructures are rapidly emerging.. coping with high demands.. this city is known for it's high concentration of casinos.. 5 star hotels.. resorts..

make no mistake. angeles can cope.

Like what I have said in the past, in order for the city to be able to accomodate majority of travellers flying into the city. It needs to improve its tourism infrastructure.

Government is trying to speed up the transformation of DMIA as a premier airport in the country but at the same time it should also addressed the necessary infrastructure to cope with the surge of travellers to this city.

Regarding 5 star hotels if they are indeed 5 star, I believe you were referring to the Legenda and the Mimosa Villas. There is also another hotel being built which will be open soon but just imagine if these are enough for the surge of visitors to Angeles City. How about medical facilities, the newly opened hospital which is not even 100% functional will not be adequate enough in case of emergency. How about transportation, the peace and order situation.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm all for Angeles to become a full pledge gateway city in the Philippines but at least try to improve all the necessary infrastructure to international standards.

Comparing Manila to Angeles City even though Manila may up come up short when it comes to international standards, it still has more to offer than Angeles. This is the point Im trying to make, Angeles need to at least have the same infrastucture if not better to become a gateway city.

pau_p1

July 23rd, 2008, 03:35 AM

any idea if there's a timetable already on when they'd construct bigger terminals for DMIA?

flip2_0

July 23rd, 2008, 06:12 AM

^^ I don't remember an expressway parallel to NLEX either being planned or being constructed...

There is one actually but not for Angeles City (or possibly the entire province of Pampanga), the North Luzon East Expressway.

bustero

July 23rd, 2008, 10:04 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about Angeles tourism infra. Right now it can serve the current and near term foreseable demand from the airport.

If you're talking about the future, really depends how optimistic your point of view is. Angeles definitely can not serve the equivalent of the present MIA but that surely is a ways to come. For sure it will have to grow it's tourism infra to a certain degree, but in the short term probably the next 5 maybe even 10 years, the current hotels and motels in the area plus the different transport links even not counting North Rail really should be enough.

jbkayaker12

July 23rd, 2008, 12:05 PM

tisoycuba

July 23rd, 2008, 10:10 PM

Like what I have said in the past, in order for the city to be able to accomodate majority of travellers flying into the city. It needs to improve its tourism infrastructure.

Government is trying to speed up the transformation of DMIA as a premier airport in the country but at the same time it should also addressed the necessary infrastructure to cope with the surge of travellers to this city.

Regarding 5 star hotels if they are indeed 5 star, I believe you were referring to the Legenda and the Mimosa Villas. There is also another hotel being built which will be open soon but just imagine if these are enough for the surge of visitors to Angeles City. How about medical facilities, the newly opened hospital which is not even 100% functional will not be adequate enough in case of emergency. How about transportation, the peace and order situation.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm all for Angeles to become a full pledge gateway city in the Philippines but at least try to improve all the necessary infrastructure to international standards.

Comparing Manila to Angeles City even though Manila may up come up short when it comes to international standards, it still has more to offer than Angeles. This is the point Im trying to make, Angeles need to at least have the same infrastucture if not better to become a gateway city.

HOY MARAMI NA HOTEL NGAYUN ANG GINAGAWA SA CLARK AT ANGELES CITY:lol:HINDI LANG YANB MIMOSA NA YAN ..LOOK YOURSELF O.K PASYAL KA NGAYUN SA CLARK...TAGA SAAN KABA:lol:

jbkayaker12

July 23rd, 2008, 10:48 PM

^^^^^Someday when they open up DMIA as a fully pledged international airport I'll pay a visit but as of now there are too many places I want to see but sadly Angeles City is not one them.:)

Goodluck to you, your city and DMIA. Oh by the way couldn't they make up their mind on what to call the airport. Is it DMIA or Clark International Airport? If you check the DMIA website, the airport is also referred to as Clark International Airport but its trivial really, the way things are done in the Philippines they will be able to figure out what to call this airport in a few years.

nico216

July 24th, 2008, 07:53 AM

dmia is the name of the airport.. clark international airport (corporation) is the one who runs it.

jbkayaker12

July 24th, 2008, 11:15 AM

http://www.clarkairport.com/

Solblanc

July 24th, 2008, 03:09 PM

^^

Since the DMIA is supposed to be a gateway to Manila, it can have the crappiest tourism infrastructure in the world as long as it has adequate infrastructure connecting it to Manila :D

tisoycuba

July 24th, 2008, 08:32 PM

english pala,hehehehe!

jbkayaker12

July 24th, 2008, 09:33 PM

^^

Since the DMIA is supposed to be a gateway to Manila, it can have the crappiest tourism infrastructure in the world as long as it has adequate infrastructure connecting it to Manila :D

Gateway to the Philippines not Manila iho or iha. For a gateway city to the Philippines to be successful, not only a decent international airport is needed but also adequate tourism infrastructure. You want visitors to stay in the city and spend money so it can contribute to the local community.:)

portludlow

July 24th, 2008, 10:11 PM

^^^^^Someday when they open up DMIA as a fully pledged international airport I'll pay a visit but as of now there are too many places I want to see but sadly Angeles City is not one them.:)

well, i hope I can change your mind. Metro Angeles City/Clark actually is not that bad to visit. We have fine hotels/restaurants/spas, 24 hour nightlife, golf, museums, its numerous wine bars, art galleries, comedy clubs, casinos and shopping, Its very cosmopolitan where a huge number of residents are foreigners. The people are very liberal in their outlook in life. There are lots of things to do.

Im not sure if you've actually visited the place. The good thing about the city is that its not actually starting from scratch. I dont know of any comparable size city in the Philippines which has more hotel rooms, restaurants, bars in proportion to their population. :)

Im sure a fully operating international airport will stress its infrastructure but business people in the area will surely step up to meet the demand.

jbkayaker12

July 24th, 2008, 10:44 PM

well, i hope I can change your mind. Metro Angeles City/Clark actually is not that bad to visit. We have fine hotels/restaurants/spas, 24 hour nightlife, golf, museums, its numerous wine bars, art galleries, comedy clubs, casinos and shopping, Its very cosmopolitan where a huge number of residents are foreigners. The people are very liberal in their outlook in life. There are lots of things to do.

Im not sure if you've actually visited the place. The good thing about the city is that its not actually starting from scratch. I dont know of any comparable size city in the Philippines which has more hotel rooms, restaurants, bars in proportion to their population. :)

Im sure a fully operating international airport will stress its infrastructure but business people in the area will surely step up to meet the demand.

Sure you have all that but somehow you have to realise that when DMIA start operating as a premier gateway to the Philippines it will be receiving more than the chartered flights it is currently accomodating and for your city's sake just hope you have adequate infrastructure to handle the influx of visitors. You have to welcome international visitors to your city and be able to accomodate them comfortably.

I have not read anything substantial regarding tourism infrastructure being built that will complement the impending opening of DMIA as premier airport in the Philippines. On another thread I even read that the facilities inside Clark are not being maintained well. City officials need to be proactive and not reactive regarding tourism infrastructure in your city even before DMIA starts operating.

I have been there in the past but quite a long time ago and to be honest with you Im not even interested in going anytime soon. What Angeles is known for aside from the former Clark Airbase are the bars and these are not exactly the kind of bars I want to see. I know there are facilities inside Clark but it does not really interest me.

What's even more surprising is that on the Angeles City thread, as proud as the locals are of their city they are not showing much in the form of photos for the world to see.

bagel

July 24th, 2008, 10:58 PM

Maybe it's a conspiracy against you.

mwg12a

July 25th, 2008, 03:21 AM

well, i hope I can change your mind. Metro Angeles City/Clark actually is not that bad to visit. We have fine hotels/restaurants/spas, 24 hour nightlife, golf, museums, its numerous wine bars, art galleries, comedy clubs, casinos and shopping, Its very cosmopolitan where a huge number of residents are foreigners. The people are very liberal in their outlook in life. There are lots of things to do.

Im not sure if you've actually visited the place. The good thing about the city is that its not actually starting from scratch. I dont know of any comparable size city in the Philippines which has more hotel rooms, restaurants, bars in proportion to their population. :)

Im sure a fully operating international airport will stress its infrastructure but business people in the area will surely step up to meet the demand.

It's not really just the hotels , casinos and such that would draw more passengers to use DMIA, it's the accessibility. The surge of more passengers in manila is due to the business sectors and dealing with other governmental trasactions connected to business dealing is another factor that it would be hard to realize DMIA as the main gateway of the country, because if that is the plan, alot of these government agencies and private sectors has to move it's operation closer to Clark . If only there is a real good roadway that is much better than what we have right now combined with a good rail system to and from Angeles City where people would only have to take 45 mins of travel time, it would be alot more easier..

RonnieR

July 25th, 2008, 04:40 AM

ericlucky290

July 25th, 2008, 05:26 AM

RonnieR

July 25th, 2008, 05:34 AM

Culiat

July 25th, 2008, 06:47 AM

There are taxi in Clark but I am not sure if they will agree to bring you on other places around Angeles. The taxi can be found at SM Clark and Main Gate Terminal.

Angeles has variety of restaurants and hotels however, I guess, yung city government mahina sa tourism. Kulang yung promotion ng Angeles and di organize.

The city government of Angeles used to be the pioneer and the forefront of the tourism industry in the region. It has the first local tourism office (ACTO, Angeles City Tourism Office) and assisted Subic/Olongapo in setting up their own. Unfortunately the change of city administrations led to mismanagement of the tourism office. ACTO used to have bold projects, they used to be more organized and used to be better in promotion. They used to have this tourism promotional booklet published periodically. For example the Tigtigan Terakan Keng Dalan it used to be mroe lively and organized than what it is today. And I think even the Hot Air Balloon Festival used to be better. Those were the days, hopefully this time they will be able to get back on track since some of those people from the old ACTO are with the current administration.

Culiat

July 25th, 2008, 06:56 AM

OT:
I've been to your city and Clark area. I noticed that the road in Angeles City is too narrow especially along Fields Avenue (more traffic jam at night) :)

Yes, I have to agree that the city has improved.

I've seen some tourists take the jeepney and trikes. Why don't you have metered taxis in your city? How does the city government address this? Not all tourists would want to ride a jeepney.

About the Fields Avenue it wasn't meant to be a business/entertainment district. The area is originally a residential one they used to be gated/guarded subdivisions. Although I agree that the local gov't should address the situation.

portludlow

July 25th, 2008, 08:56 AM

The taxis are not metered. Kontrata, old way talaga....Look at the other cities of the Philippines like Davao, Cagayan de Oro, Iloilo, Bacolod and Cebu, their fleet of taxis are metered/aircon. Angeles/Clark should have this basic need to attract more tourists.

Yup, I agree......angeles city though is small compared to those cities. Its urban core probably is just 6 square kilometers or even smaller and thats why taxis are confined to the Clark area. Traffic also is horrible. :ohno:

It actually does not have any problem attracting tourists, in fact it has more than it can handle. The only problem is that they are not the right kind of visitors. :lol: they need to attract more of the family vacationers.

kiretoce

July 25th, 2008, 09:02 AM

^^ Build something Disneyesque. ;)

RonnieR

July 25th, 2008, 09:08 AM

It actually does not have any problem attracting tourists, in fact it has more than it can handle. The only problem is that they are not the right kind of visitors. :lol: they need to attract more of the family vacationers.

OT
:lol: the bars are open 24 hours, they're mostly retirees, cuddling their little nieces. :lol: :lol:

portludlow

July 25th, 2008, 09:19 AM

Kimbro is prowling his trade at this hour :nuts:...lest we get his ire and ban us as we are OT.

Here are some of the new hotels the last two years. There are many more as they anticipate the opening of DMIA.

Stotsenberg Hotel
http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/hotels_resorts/images/stotsenberg/facade_full.jpg

Lewis Grand Hotel
http://www.angelescityhotels.net/images/33_1.jpg

Angeles Beach Club
http://www.travelsmart.net/ph/hotels/Angeles_Beach_Club_Hotel/images/abc043.jpg

Oxford Hotel
http://www.harrythehorse.com/2006/2006images/oct/Raffles.jpg

Hotel Vida
http://hotel.discoverlebanon.com/HotelImages/942/9425875.jpg

Lohas Hotel
http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/hotels_resorts/images/lohas/lohas_main_outside_new.jpg

kiretoce

July 25th, 2008, 09:25 AM

Kimbro is prowling his trade at this hour :nuts:...lest we get his ire and ban us as we are OT.

:lol: I'm omnipresent. ;)

anonymous_filipino

July 25th, 2008, 10:04 AM

tisoycuba

July 25th, 2008, 10:13 PM

Sure you have all that but somehow you have to realise that when DMIA start operating as a premier gateway to the Philippines it will be receiving more than the chartered flights it is currently accomodating and for your city's sake just hope you have adequate infrastructure to handle the influx of visitors. You have to welcome international visitors to your city and be able to accomodate them comfortably.

I have not read anything substantial regarding tourism infrastructure being built that will complement the impending opening of DMIA as premier airport in the Philippines. On another thread I even read that the facilities inside Clark are not being maintained well. City officials need to be proactive and not reactive regarding tourism infrastructure in your city even before DMIA starts operating.

I have been there in the past but quite a long time ago and to be honest with you Im not even interested in going anytime soon. What Angeles is known for aside from the former Clark Airbase are the bars and these are not exactly the kind of bars I want to see. I know there are facilities inside Clark but it does not really interest me.

What's even more surprising is that on the Angeles City thread, as proud as the locals are of their city they are not showing much in the form of photos for the world to see.

bye oct. i take some picture around angeles and clark :)wala kasi din ako dyan eh..mas o.k pa nga yun ibang thread dto,lagi may bagong kuhang picture kung ano naman ang nasa lugar nila para nga naman makita:)wait this oct. for u friend:cheers:

tisoycuba

July 25th, 2008, 10:15 PM

ito yun mga name nang mga HOTEL sa Clark still u/c
hotel vida
paradise hotel ang casino
soon fontana hotel for 17floor..

jbkayaker12

July 25th, 2008, 11:27 PM

Angeles City has many hotels in its city limits, Clark has five-star resorts inside it, but tourists would rather check-in in hotels in Metro Manila proper or in the airport hotel than in Angeles City even if DMIA, the future premier international gateway of the Philippines, is located in Angeles City.

If you are talking about the business people going to the Philippines for their business meetings, ideally they will still be flying into NAIA. The airport in Manila will still be a gateway to the Philippines, for others wishing to visit Manila upon their arrival in Angeles City just hope that Angeles have the adequate transportation facilities to handle this situation.

spearhead

July 26th, 2008, 02:26 AM

Kimbro is prowling his trade at this hour :nuts:...lest we get his ire and ban us as we are OT.

Here are some of the new hotels the last two years. There are many more as they anticipate the opening of DMIA.

Stotsenberg Hotel
http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/hotels_resorts/images/stotsenberg/facade_full.jpg

Lewis Grand Hotel
http://www.angelescityhotels.net/images/33_1.jpg

Angeles Beach Club
http://www.travelsmart.net/ph/hotels/Angeles_Beach_Club_Hotel/images/abc043.jpg

Raffles Hotel
http://www.harrythehorse.com/2006/2006images/oct/Raffles.jpg

nice hotels :)

ericlucky290

July 26th, 2008, 06:45 AM

Here is the famous Salakot which was relocated inside Bayanihan Park. Nagmove lang naman ng ilang meters :)

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii177/ericlucky290/Forum/Bayanihanpark039.jpg

PompeiiLad69

July 26th, 2008, 07:12 AM

kiretoce

July 26th, 2008, 07:36 AM

^^ With the funds, it will. ;)

anakngpasig

July 26th, 2008, 09:55 AM

for now,
let's
daydream

:D

Solblanc

July 26th, 2008, 10:26 AM

Gateway to the Philippines not Manila iho or iha. For a gateway city to the Philippines to be successful, not only a decent international airport is needed but also adequate tourism infrastructure. You want visitors to stay in the city and spend money so it can contribute to the local community.:)

But it is being groomed as the new gateway to manila... either way, if it does get developed into this massively huge international airport that handles a huge amount of traffic, the surrounding area would be more suited for industrial purposes. Tourism is all nice and good, but airplanes are noisy. If they spruce the place up too much, Isagani Cruz may be tempted to move to a house next to the runway and start complaining about it :D

But seriously, any investment in the DMIA is obviously going to trickle into the surrounding areas. More investments generate more jobs which gives the general population the means to remodel their houses or construct new ones. More investments mean more tax revenue, enabling the local government to start implementing programs that would encourage what you're advocating. This is all going to happen naturally. I don't see why it's such a big deal.

jbkayaker12

July 26th, 2008, 12:16 PM

But it is being groomed as the new gateway to manila... either way, if it does get developed into this massively huge international airport that handles a huge amount of traffic, the surrounding area would be more suited for industrial purposes. Tourism is all nice and good, but airplanes are noisy. If they spruce the place up too much, Isagani Cruz may be tempted to move to a house next to the runway and start complaining about it :D

But seriously, any investment in the DMIA is obviously going to trickle into the surrounding areas. More investments generate more jobs which gives the general population the means to remodel their houses or construct new ones. More investments mean more tax revenue, enabling the local government to start implementing programs that would encourage what you're advocating. This is all going to happen naturally. I don't see why it's such a big deal.

If the national government can set aside money to improve the airport so that Angeles may become a gateway city it should also addressed the much needed infrastructure. Ideally it should go hand in hand and if you think the government does not have the resources, think again. It is just being wasted because of corruption and mismanagement.

Look what happened to Expo Philippines, this was supposed to be the venue for the Philippines hosting of the World Expo which never materialised, last I heard it was turned into a site to showcase Pampanga's and the regional culture. Whatever happened to this place is an example of wasted taxpayers money. How about Mimosa, Clark Freeport Zone has been neglecting this area. Ideally, both these areas can generate much needed income for the local government but for whatever reason, both these places are not realising its full potential and are rotting away because of poor management from the local authorities.

portludlow

July 26th, 2008, 05:39 PM

If the national government can set aside money to improve the airport so that Angeles may become a gateway city it should also addressed the much needed infrastructure. Ideally it should go hand in hand and if you think the government does not have the resources, think again. It is just being wasted because of corruption and mismanagement.

Look what happened to Expo Philippines, this was supposed to be the venue for the Philippines hosting of the World Expo which never materialised, last I heard it was turned into a site to showcase Pampanga's and the regional culture. Whatever happened to this place is an example of wasted taxpayers money. How about Mimosa, Clark Freeport Zone has been neglecting this area. Ideally, both these areas can generate much needed income for the local government but for whatever reason, both these places are not realising its full potential and are rotting away because of poor management from the local authorities.

Im not really sure where you're coming from and what's your beef on all of this. The government is spending billions to improve everything to make way for CRK to achieve its full potential. NorthRail, NLEX, McArthur hiway rehab and SCTEX are just some of the big infrastucture projects being built to prepare for the transition. Power transmission will greatly improve with a 230kv transmission project to meet power requirements of this huge project.The government has given generous tax incentives to companies doing business in the area. Our government is pulling all the stops to make Clark a better place.

It seems like your making sweeping statements and anecdotal stories to back up your opinions. Corruption in government will always be there and will be here to stay but thats another story.

jbkayaker12

July 26th, 2008, 09:16 PM

Im not really sure where you're coming from and what's your beef on all of this. The government is spending billions to improve everything to make way for CRK to achieve its full potential. NorthRail, NLEX, McArthur hiway rehab and SCTEX are just some of the big infrastucture projects being built to prepare for the transition. Power transmission will greatly improve with a 230kv transmission project to meet power requirements of this huge project.The government has given generous tax incentives to companies doing business in the area. Our government is pulling all the stops to make Clark a better place.

It seems like your making sweeping statements and anecdotal stories to back up your opinions. Corruption in government will always be there and will be here to stay but thats another story.

Well facts speak for itself, regarding Expo Philippines and Mimosa both of which should benefit the people of Pampanga but you hear not much of these projects other than controversies. Look at Expo Philippines, you dont hear much about this grand venue meant to bring in much needed investments in the area. It is all been sitting there rotting away. Regarding Mimosa to this day it is still hounded in controversy and being neglected. Local officials can IMPROVE these areas to bring in much needed revenues for the province.

Like what I have said before, if officials wanted DMIA to be the gateway to the Philippines they should also be able to offer future visitors necessary tourism related facilites other than just the airport. You want people to spend and stay in the city for your airport to be truly successful. It has been mentioned here there are tourism infrastuctures in place but it does not mean it will just to have to stay that way. It needs to evolve and improve for you will be bringing in more visitors to the city once DMIA become a gateway to the Philippines.

ericlucky290

July 27th, 2008, 04:26 AM

Clark biggest winner in Thai-Philippine air accord (http://archive.inquirer.net/view.php?db=1&story_id=150812)

First posted 07:30:47 (Mla time) July 26, 2008
Riza T. Olchondra
Philippine Daily Inquirer

MANILA, Philippines—More opportunities have just opened for airlines seeking to fly from the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in the Clark Freeport, north of Manila, as an air agreement between the Philippines and Thailand was renewed, with Clark getting 8,600 passenger seats in capacity.

An equivalent number of passenger seats was allocated for Thai carriers going to Clark, bringing the Clark capacity to a total of 17,400 seats weekly.

Clark International Airport Authority (CIAC) president Victor Luciano told the Philippine Daily Inquirer that the agreement presents great opportunity for the gateway as it can accommodate 14 passenger flights daily.

Cargo capacity was also boosted for Clark, from zero to 700 metric tons weekly.

Luciano also confirmed that there was no limitation on airline designation. This means that even non-flag carriers can fly there from multiple designations.

Other Philippine carriers, aside from flag carrier Philippine Airlines, can apply to fly between Clark and Bangkok, he said.

The additional allocations were not limited to Clark. Manila airports got 5,400 seats, up from 2,930, with cargo allocation of 300 metric tons, up from more than 200 previously.

Airports outside Clark and Manila were given 2,110 seats, up from 850.

The Civil Aeronautics Board said that while Thailand was not currently contributing as much tourism as Hong Kong was, with only about 26,000 Thai tourists a year coming to the Philippines, the potential for growth was great.

Traffic is expected to grow further at a pace of seven percent or more per year since capacity has increased and more gateways have been added.

Traffic would also get a boost if Cebu Pacific Air opened a hub in Clark.

Cebu Pacific earlier said it needed five destinations to be able to do so: Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, Taiwan and Thailand. With Thailand opening up to Clark, all five destinations are now reachable from the Northern Luzon gateway.

Candice Iyog,Cebu Pacific vice president for marketing and product, declined to comment on the impact of the Philippine-Thai air agreement on the airline’s plans for Clark, saying Cebu Pacific had not received an official advice on the matter.

She did confirm that having all five destinations accessible via Clark would give Cebu Pacific the freedom to revisit plans to open a hub there.

The Philippine air services negotiating panel is led by the Department of Transportation and Communications and includes the Department of Foreign Affairs, Civil Aeronautics Board, Department of Trade and Industry, Department of Tourism, and representatives of the airline industry. With editing by INQUIRER.net

Solblanc

July 27th, 2008, 05:51 PM

@jbkayaker:

I don't really see your point. You say that tourist infra should be developed, but then you point out the expo and mimosa which were, well, failures. Yes, the airport should be developed, and yes, the airport IS being developed. Maybe we're not putting a HKIA-style behemoth there in 12 months, but DMIA Terminal 2 is scheduled for completion by 2010 (although 2014 would be more realistic)

Either way, I don't understand what you're complaining about. If it's the corruption, fine, I'm with you. Boo to corruption. If it's the pace of development, then okay, things could move faster, but that could be applied to the entire country. But to complain that the government is not doing anything for the DMIA or the area surrounding it is simply silly, because the plans are already in place, the biddings are to be concluded this year, and development of infra leading to the place has been ongoing since the time of Ramos.

kratos1211

July 27th, 2008, 07:31 PM

Cebu Pacific pursues Clark hub plan

By Riza T. Olchondra
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:44:00 07/27/2008

MANILA, Philippines--Low-cost carrier Cebu Pacificu Pacific is revising studies on putting up a hub in Clark, in view of the success of the Philippine-Thailand air talks on Thursday.

"We have confirmed that all government approvals for Clark are okay, including Bangkok. That completes the five destinations we wanted to access [from Clark]. We just have to get our own approvals according to available entitlements," Cebu Pacificu Pacific vice president for marketing and product Candice Iyog said.

Iyog said Cebu Pacific was revisiting its route studies to determine the proper timing for the hub opening.

"Our network guys are studying our numbers again because so much has changed since we first announced [the plan to put up a hub in Clark]. Fuel will be a big factor, because it has doubled since last year. We also have to consider how we can stimulate the market given the present economic climate. We have to rethink our route studies, our pricing, how much load factor we need, things like that," Iyog said.

She also said the transfer of its Manila hub from the Manila Domestic Airport to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport terminal 3 (Naia 3) would not affect Cebu Pacific's plans for Clark.

The budget airline is moving all its Manila-based domestic and international aircraft to Naia 3 on Aug. 1, but Iyog said it has more to do with having room to maximize resources in Manila.

Cebu Pacificu Pacific's plan to put up a Clark hub was announced as early as 2007 but this was aborted due to lack of entitlements for the Philippines, brought about by the rejection of the applications for flights to Macau, Hong Kong, Singapore and Bangkok.

Taiwan's skies are already open, but Cebu Pacificu Pacific needed five destinations to operate out of Clark in order to make the hub profitable.

A silver lining appeared when Clark was granted a seat in the Philippine air panel.

Within a year, Clark managed to gain entitlements from European, Mideast, and Asian destinations, including Thailand.

jbkayaker12

July 27th, 2008, 10:49 PM

I highly doubt Angeles City is equipped to handle the majority of visitors landing at DMIA. I do not think the city can accomodate comfortably the influx of visitors if and when they turn DMIA into a premier international gateway to the country.

How are the infrastructure and facilities in the area? Lodgings, transportation, security and all the tourism infrastructure needed in the city should first be discussed, built or improved even before they can think of transferring majority of the flights to DMIA in Angeles City.

Solblanc

The post above was made a few days ago. Pay attention to what was posted especially the term "IMPROVED" in regards to existing facilities/infrastructures. We are discussing scenarios of what may happen and of what things that can be done to make Angeles a successful gateway city.:)

jbkayaker12

July 27th, 2008, 11:08 PM

Solblanc

It would be nice for DMIA to become a premier gateway to the Philippines but looking at what has been going on at NAIA Terminal 3, the government is getting into another set of predicament knowing NAIA T3 has not been settled amicably. Why not finalised everything with NAIA T3 so it can function properly and serve its purpose and then move on with DMIA? They are all foot dragging and the people are the ones being inconvenienced.

mwg12a

July 27th, 2008, 11:28 PM

^^ You're so negative or you just love to complain to create a noise? Just because there is an issue about NAIA T3, everybody has to stop breathing....

I'm not really that keen on transfering NAIA to DMIA because of the distance and that there is no real good means to get there from the capital city in less than 45 minutes but I don't think I see the move to develop DMIA as a bad move because, first of, once there is a good terminal there and with the increasing number of LCCs servicing that route outside the Philippines, there is no doubt that other development will follow in that area. The government can just encourage the private sectors to move in and build hotels and such but I'm sure, if the government doesn't improve the DMIA facility first, the private sectors would not be encouraged to set up businesses there, having mentioned these, and in fairness of you, unless the government really invest on improving even further the road infrastructure and rail system to and from Angeles City, businesses would not be blooming.

And @solblanc, that timeline for DMIA completion in year 2010 even on 2014 is a bit unrealistic considering the fact that there is no official agreement made publicly from international corporations to fund the construction of DMIA. I see DMIA will be expanded but I have a doubt if the development is actually the beginning of the ambitious plan for DMIA as the main gateway to the Philippines. If ever, I see an increasing amount of LCCs to hub in that region which will be the main preference for leaving OFWs because it will save their employers on their employees' airfares , then we have our fellow filipinos who is wishing to have their leisurely travels outside of the Philippines. Up until then and once the traffic in DMIA started to bloom even further , then I can see DMIA growing to be a real full service airport terminal and that would pave way to DMIA future, maybe after 2014 we will be able to finally see a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

anonymous_filipino

July 28th, 2008, 02:59 AM

I'm assesing DMIA's master plan development. I think this is the DMIA Terminal 2, the one I encircled is phase 1 which I think is the one that officials are saying that will be completed in 2010, or more realistic, 2012-2014.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6269/clarkairportmasterplanko1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Solblanc

July 28th, 2008, 05:10 AM

^^

If you look at that encircled area, it's far too big for the specifications of DMIA terminal 2. It was clearly stated that they were looking for something that would serve 7-9 million passengers per annum, and if DMIA terminal 2 would be part of that, it would be half of what was encircled. What you've indicated there is larger than NAIA terminal 3. They just need a small full-service terminal to attract more full-service airlines. ASEAN open skies is on its way, and CRK is the designated entry point for the Philippines. The airport there needs to be expanded anyway.

If there's a small full-service terminal there, we can hope to attract a couple of airlines like Emirates, which cannot add anymore Manila flights and are eager to fly to Clark as soon as they get a terminal that has space for lounge facilities and won't choke with the departure/arrival of a single widebody flight.

Another airline that we may want to attract is Jetstar. They are still looking for an intermediate point for their future MEL-FCO/ATH services. They've already rejected Kuala Lumpur for some reason, and Singapore is a likely choice, however, given that we have no direct links to Europe save KLM, a low-cost link wouldn't do badly given that they have little competition. The government is slow to grant 5th freedoms out of MNL, but CRK is a different matter.

Funny, because I'm one of the advocates of keeping the NAIA as our main gateway. DMIA does have the potential to be developed, and we shouldn't wait for NAIA T3 to clog up for us to expand the DMIA. I'm the first one to say that the mega-terminal is something for 2020 or 2030, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the DMIA until then.

@jbkayaker

NAIA T3 is practically open. The fact that passengers are flying through the terminal is a step forward; by Friday, it will take all of Cebu Pacific's operations (do note that 5J carries more passengers in and out of Manila than the airlines at Terminal 1). It's not the ideal setup, but at least there's more pressure now for the government to settle all the legal issues. Given that it took them some six or seven years to make it operational, pushing through with the DMIA's phased expansion now is a prudent move.

Oh, and as for lodgings and the like in the area, it's a chicken and egg scenario. Projects like Expo Filipino royally failed because it was bloody inconvenient to get there (although it was a fun field trip when I was a freshman) and it is sort of a boring place if you take into account ticket prices; one would have more fun at Enchanted Kingdom. At the moment, there are loads of hotels and the like in the area, and sometimes I wonder whether they make any money, because their occupancy rates are pretty low. Existing lodgings and amenities are more than enough to meet current demand. If there happens to be a market for better lodgings due to the increase of flights and investments in the area, then it will materialize. The private sector will take care of it.

medviation

July 28th, 2008, 07:10 AM

How I just hope DMIA will be one of the Philippine's greatest achievements...

jbkayaker12

July 28th, 2008, 09:59 AM

^^ You're so negative or you just love to complain to create a noise? Just because there is an issue about NAIA T3, everybody has to stop breathing....

It is not being negative but stating the facts. We all know what has been going on at NAIA Terminal 3. It is only logical for the government to finally settle the issues with regards to the airport in Manila. Then once it is finally settled amicably then move on to making DMIA into another gateway for the Philippines.

jbkayaker12

July 28th, 2008, 10:35 AM

^^

@jbkayaker

NAIA T3 is practically open. The fact that passengers are flying through the terminal is a step forward; by Friday, it will take all of Cebu Pacific's operations (do note that 5J carries more passengers in and out of Manila than the airlines at Terminal 1). It's not the ideal setup, but at least there's more pressure now for the government to settle all the legal issues. Given that it took them some six or seven years to make it operational, pushing through with the DMIA's phased expansion now is a prudent move.

Oh, and as for lodgings and the like in the area, it's a chicken and egg scenario. Projects like Expo Filipino royally failed because it was bloody inconvenient to get there (although it was a fun field trip when I was a freshman) and it is sort of a boring place if you take into account ticket prices; one would have more fun at Enchanted Kingdom. At the moment, there are loads of hotels and the like in the area, and sometimes I wonder whether they make any money, because their occupancy rates are pretty low. Existing lodgings and amenities are more than enough to meet current demand. If there happens to be a market for better lodgings due to the increase of flights and investments in the area, then it will materialize. The private sector will take care of it.

That is why Expo Philippines need to improve and evolve to serve its purpose, keep in mind when Fidel Ramos envisioned this place it was meant to commemorate the Philippines Centennial and bring in much needed interest and investments in the country but the soonest it was built it laid idle for a while.

Regarding lodgings, you cannot be reactive, better to be proactive. Lodgings in Angeles may be adequate for the time being but keep in mind when DMIA starts operating as premier gateway to the Philippines we are talking of regularly scheduled flights and not just chartered, with flights coming from all over the world.

Keep in mind when international travellers from all over the world start arriving via DMIA more than what it is currently receiving, whatever lodgings available should be of international standards so it needs to evolve and improve. Regarding low occupancy levels well you have to figure out why tourists are not staying, could it be the city is lacking in marketing?

It seems that Subic is better in marketing and has better tourism facilities to offer visitors. Both Subic and Clark share the same histories, both have their share of controversies but I've heard and seen online/tv that Subic has invested more to attract visitors. Perhaps authorities in Clark need to have a look at how Subic has transformed this fomer US naval base into a successful tourism destination.

Clark and the vicinity have the Expo Philippines site, resorts inside the former air force base, the Paskuhan Village and Im sure other attractions but these are not being marketed properly. You don't really hear much about it but on the other hand many people know more about what's on offer at Subic.

mwg12a

July 28th, 2008, 11:10 AM

@ Solblanc, With the impending or I guess you can say "possible" opennning of T3 to international service, emirates and Ethiad will possibly increase its service to MNL because there would be enough room for them to grow there in NAIA for atleast around 10 years atleast and unless NAIA reached it's full capacity again, I doubt if Emirates as well as other international carrier would be attracted to transfer their offices to Clark, first of, the government or DMIA operator would have to bargain with these airline companies on how much more or less they can rent out offices to these airlines so, I have a serious doubt if the full service airlines would be attracted to DMIA right away, first of all due to it's distance to the capital city where most of the business transaction is going on, unless all the government offices and agencies, including private offices would all move to DMIA once a mega airport is openned in 2012 or even 2014 when they just settling in at the NAIA T3, I doubt if by 2018 NAIA would reach it's maximum capacity again if T1 is retained and T2 is expanded for PAL use. The secondary runway can still be rehabilitated and be extended especially if the old Manila Domestic terminal is moved in T1 or T2 atleast... considering that HK's old chang kai chek airport use to have a single runway and was able to operate with 32million passengers yearly, mind you, NAIA is currently totaling of 21 million pax/year...

Solblanc

July 28th, 2008, 06:21 PM

^^

Emirates and Etihad CAN'T add any more flights to the Philippines. The Philippine government will not grant them any more frequencies. Even with NAIA-3 open, government policy blocks these carriers from adding flights. These carriers do have the right to operate into Clark, however, but they don't use these entitlements because the infra isn't there. Manila is a projected A380 destination for Emirates because with the inability to add flights, they plan to increase aircraft size instead. Emirates already sends 10 777-300ERs to Manila every week; that's currently the largest aircraft in their fleet with a seating capacity of 420++ ; that's just a few seats less than PAL's 747s. Even with all that capacity, it is ridiculously difficult to get a seat on Emirates, and every flight is horribly overbooked. They've expanded as much as they can. I'm not proposing that Emirates move to clark, but current conditions are favorable for Emirates adding overflow flights to Clark. After all, Emirates serves both London Heathrow and London Gatwick; they are no strangers to splitting operations. Ideally, they'd grow in Manila, yes, but there is no way they're gonna get approval for any extra flights to the NAIA anytime soon.

Oh, and Asiana serves the DMIA, and Asiana is a full-service airline. Asiana flies to Manila as well. One does not need to close the NAIA for full-service airlines to come to the DMIA.

tigidig14

July 28th, 2008, 09:10 PM

^thats a nice breakdown, so, most pnoi-european passenger uses emirates. is that why theyre overbook?

mwg12a

July 29th, 2008, 05:13 AM

kiretoce

July 29th, 2008, 06:02 AM

^^ Asiana Airlines (OZ) isn't an LCC; it's a full-service carrier whose main competitor is Korean Air (KE) and is also the other flag carrier of South Korea.

sonnyville

July 29th, 2008, 07:15 AM

I was thinking ASIANA is more of an LCC however inspite of being an LCC, they still offer similar service from a full service airline carriers, this is why ASIANA always offer cheaper airfares, but, I could be wrong... someone please double check ASIANA if I can't find anything I can show here just to clear things out.

asiana airlines isn't a low cost carrier, it is a full carrier. they are a top notch airline that can go head on with SQ (Singapore Airlines) and other carriers such as Emirates, Cathay, and Korean Air. they are one of the top airlines in the worldm, but they are going start a low cost carrier of their own (speculated to be busan air) to compete with Korean Air's low cost carrier JinAir. they aren't so cheap at times, but they do offer sales events for a bargain price on several of their destinations.

one of the best airlines i've ever flown on and i'm glad they service the philippines. :)

mwg12a

July 29th, 2008, 09:25 AM

mwg12a

July 29th, 2008, 09:31 AM

^^ That was my impression also, I don't think DMIA will really build a homongous airport terminal right away, I think they will just slowly grow with the increasing demand. They have enough space for it , they just have to have a design that would allow alot of space for future expansions...

bustero

July 29th, 2008, 09:31 AM

basta maglalagay ako ng candy booth dito hehe

wag mag alala masyado , that terminal terminal project is going along, and it may not even take that long from what i'm told. it's supposed to be very practical rather than a "show off" type of terminal as the CIAC guys know that there's a real risk for any proponent in the short term while the market is building. Think T2 rather than T3, something smaller but can be expanded as a wing in the long run , not the main show. In the meantime all the ancialliary businesses will develop as long as the demand is there. For sure iyan.

tigidig14

July 29th, 2008, 09:34 AM

sa davao airport meron nagtitinda ng mongo, menudo, daing, at paksiw sa loob ng airport

bustero

July 29th, 2008, 09:40 AM

sa davao airport meron nagtitinda ng mongo, menudo, daing, at paksiw sa loob ng airport

plano naming noon ni xzibit na magtayo ng kimchi stand para sa sang katutak na koreanong dumadaan doon hehe

pero sa totoo lang masarap rin iyung lechon kawali sa may bukanan ng 2nd floor security check sa DIA:banana:

anonymous_filipino

July 29th, 2008, 02:46 PM

^^

If you look at that encircled area, it's far too big for the specifications of DMIA terminal 2. It was clearly stated that they were looking for something that would serve 7-9 million passengers per annum, and if DMIA terminal 2 would be part of that, it would be half of what was encircled. What you've indicated there is larger than NAIA terminal 3. They just need a small full-service terminal to attract more full-service airlines. ASEAN open skies is on its way, and CRK is the designated entry point for the Philippines. The airport there needs to be expanded anyway.

If there's a small full-service terminal there, we can hope to attract a couple of airlines like Emirates, which cannot add anymore Manila flights and are eager to fly to Clark as soon as they get a terminal that has space for lounge facilities and won't choke with the departure/arrival of a single widebody flight.

Another airline that we may want to attract is Jetstar. They are still looking for an intermediate point for their future MEL-FCO/ATH services. They've already rejected Kuala Lumpur for some reason, and Singapore is a likely choice, however, given that we have no direct links to Europe save KLM, a low-cost link wouldn't do badly given that they have little competition. The government is slow to grant 5th freedoms out of MNL, but CRK is a different matter.

Funny, because I'm one of the advocates of keeping the NAIA as our main gateway. DMIA does have the potential to be developed, and we shouldn't wait for NAIA T3 to clog up for us to expand the DMIA. I'm the first one to say that the mega-terminal is something for 2020 or 2030, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the DMIA until then.

Solblanc, you should the wide body gates at the part of the picture I encircled. It has a smaller number of wide body contact gates compared to NAIA 3, and mind you it is really smaller than NAIA 3. NAIA has a GFA of 189,000 square meters, while the one I encircled is just 145,000-165,000 square meters I think. You're just saying it's bigger than NAIA 3 because I also encircled the Ground Transportation Center (carpark, bus station, taxi stands, car rental stands) which will house the future Airport Station of the NorthRail Airport Spur and the Airport Plaza (location of the airport corporation offices and the airport hotel)

sonnyville

July 30th, 2008, 02:00 AM

Okay, thanks for clearing these up for me Kiretoce and sonnyville, I've never tried asiana before but I've always wanted to try in the past, just that I always happen to have enough mileage for NWA and i get free airfares many times. Nobody can beat any freebie doesn't it?? he he

walang ano man. thanks for correcting me at times too! you should really try them some time and i can tell you that their services and incheon international airport doesn't disappoint. try enrolling with star alliance mileage, if you ever fly any star alliance carriers, as they offer mileage deals too or check and see their sales. i remember one time i was so shocked to find that they had roundtrip sales LAX to MNL for only 584 dollars more or less during last March. grabe that's more than a bargain at hinde mo matalo sila sa sale nila. not even PAL, KE, Eva, or Cathay could beat them at the time.

mwg12a

July 30th, 2008, 03:31 AM

kiretoce

July 30th, 2008, 03:55 AM

^^ To join, register at any of the partner airline websites who are members of the alliance.

terrapinoy

July 30th, 2008, 04:31 AM

How do I enroll with star alliance? I guess through their website or is it better to call them? I also have milleage with American Airlines but I haven't been flying much lately, not will full service carriers atleast, i've been going through budget carriers like Southwest Airlines, Transair or Allegiant Air.

Keep an eye on Southwest. They are looking for codeshare partners to Asia. I wonder which airliner they'll partner with?

Interview with Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly (http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/chicago-southwest-gary-kelly-interview-jul8,0,7106031.story)

Chicago figures large in Southwest Airline's plans to expand overseas for the first time. In excerpts from a late June interview, Southwest CEO Gary Kelly maps out his international strategy and explains the complex fuel hedges that have given his carrier the financial muscle to expand while other airlines contract.

On Tuesday, Southwest announced plans to code-share with Canada's WestJet. Kelly, speaking earlier, wouldn't name the low-cost carrier's first overseas partner, but described its likely impact on Midway.

KELLY: Chicago is going be one of the No. 1 locations that we will want them to fly to, i.e. Midway. So, it may not be a Southwest flight, but you're going to see more flight activity and we'll be connecting more passengers to Chicago at a minimum.

It's a hub-like effect, without us having all the trappings and inefficiencies of a hub-spoke system. So you could have many more destinations being added to Midway by one or two code-share partners. I would see Chicago being an attractive destination from Hawaii -- ATA flew there -- from Canada, certainly, Mexico and probably the Caribbean as well. So, there could be a lot of action, and not just with Southwest flights.

Now, eventually, we want to add Europe and Asia as code-share destinations. We can't do everything simultaneously, so we'll pace all this out. We've made the near-international markets our first priority. And to come online in 2009, maybe some of it will spill into 2010. And then we don't have any efforts under way beyond that, but at some point here we will and with a little luck maybe we can add Europe and Asia in 2010, 2011

kiretoce

July 30th, 2008, 04:39 AM

^^ The Southwest Airlines and WestJet partnership is an excellent tie-up. Both carriers are the industry leaders in the LCC market in their respective nations. I guess Southwest will also be looking for a fellow LCC partner for flights to Europe and Asia.

terrapinoy

July 30th, 2008, 05:05 AM

^^ Oh yeah, I remember your photos of Westjet.:okay: Air Asia X would be a good partner for them. Imagine booking a flight to Clark on Southwest's site.:)

mwg12a

July 30th, 2008, 05:13 AM

I wonder what asian carriers southwest will be tapping with. It would just be wonderful to have because Southwest is also being encouraged to service our area due to the increasing number of passenger activities but even if SW won't service directly to and from our city, we still have their Tulsa and KC hubs to go to.

tigidig14

July 30th, 2008, 05:18 AM

southwest service sucks, not only they suck, their plane smell like greyhound bus

kiretoce

July 30th, 2008, 05:21 AM

^^ :rofl: But seriously, I agree on the bus part of your post, Tigs. :colgate:

ryanr

July 30th, 2008, 08:40 AM

Update from the SONA technical report:

• Passenger Terminal
Building and Radar
Approach Control are
complete and operational
• Phase I Masterplan
Implementation - design
of airport structures is
being prepared
• Korean International
Cooperation Agency
(KOICA) is looking for
local counterparts for the
project.
source: http://www.gov.ph/sona/sona2008.pdf

brightblade

July 30th, 2008, 10:57 AM

I've flown with a few domestic US carriers and the services arent good southwest included. A far cry from PAL.

sonnyville

July 30th, 2008, 12:53 PM

southwest is just really awful. hey has anyone ever watched the show Airline (US) for anyone here in the US or have seen this show back home? anyways it's a reality tv show based on Southwest airlines (http://www.aetv.com/airline/) . i find the numerous complaints by the number of paying Southwest passengers just really screwed up at times. no wonder it's dirt cheap to fly with them because of the service they provide and how they mistreat you. the show is pretty much reality airline drama. there's a UK version of a similar airline.

maybe they should do a philippine version.... oooh let's say Cebu Pacific. lol. couldn't resist with the previous post by someone here with a youtube clip about a particular incident with them not providing a plane for a particular group of passengers awaiting their flight.

gotta agree with you both (tigs / kiretoce) about southwest comparable to greyhound. i used to live in texas and had to stick it out with either valley transit/greyhound or southwest when my company had to send me places. i used to pray for amtrak, but i was also shocked to find that they don't have a lot of railroads in texas, or when they ran out of rails amtrak would bus you to your destination anyways. grabe ang southwest..... sa mga airlines/airplanes ibang level na pagtitiis at sobrang malaki ang pasensya kailangan sa southwest. as much as possible i've stuck with jetblue, although i wish they'd expand more in the west coast and midwest and yung mileage points nila sana integrated with Lufthansa/Star Alliance since Lufthansa has a considerable stake on them.

mwg12a, best chance to earn star alliance points is only if you start using united and us airways and also if they provide service in your area. they are the only US star alliance carriers. most US carriers are skyteam members ( delta, continental, and nwa) so it makes sense for many pinoy-americans to stick it out with nwa. yun lang, mahirap nga talaga if we don't have a lot of options. after living in texas ng move yung department ko sa new york, i had better choices, there was JAL, Korean Air, Asiana, Eva to get me to the RP. yun lang mahal ang pamasahe from NY to MNL in any of these carriers. diba parang nwa lang talaga ang pagasa kung minsan? yep.... been through that.

kiretoce

July 30th, 2008, 01:58 PM

^^ :yes: I've watched a number of Airline episodes, and there were more shows that showed disgruntled passengers than there were satisfied ones with Southwest Airlines. The US series was a take-off from the UK series which showed Britannia Airways (first season only) and EasyJet (second season onwards).

By the way, Continental Airlines might switch alliances, from SkyTeam to Star Alliance. It's about to cement a partnership with United Airlines and sever its ties with Northwest Airlines.

Sky Harbor

July 30th, 2008, 02:15 PM

^^ It is switching alliances because of the NW-DL merger. A very sad occurrence indeed. :(

kiretoce

July 30th, 2008, 08:31 PM

DMIA gets 14 daily flights to Thailand (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/pam/2008/07/31/bus/dmia.gets.14.daily.flights.to.thailand.html)

Air Traffic at the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) here is expected to grow after the success of the recently concluded RP-Thailand Air Talks where Clark got 8,600 seats.

Clark International Airport Corporation president Victor Jose Luciano, who is a member of the RP Air Panel that attended the RP-Thailand Air Talks in Bangkok last July 24 and 25, said DMIA in Clark Freeport got the biggest air deal with 8,600 seats.

Thailand will get reciprocal seat entitlements of 8,600 for the Clark route, bringing the total number of seat entitlements to 17,200 seats weekly or 14 flights daily.

"This is a great step for DMIA in bringing more tourists in the Northern and Central Luzon as the airport is on its way of becoming the country's premier gateway," Luciano said.

He also said that part of the air deal, cargo capacity at DMIA will be boosted from zero to 700 tons weekly, adding that there was no limitation on airline designation.

This means even non-flag carriers can fly there from multiple designations.

The air agreement also allowed other carriers not limited to Clark. Manila airports got 5,400 seats from 2,930 with cargo allocation of 300 tons from more than 200 previously.

Other airports outside Clark and Metro Manila were given allocations of 2,110 seats from their previous 850 seats.

Air Traffic at DMIA is also expected to boost further after Cebu Pacific Airways had revealed plans to operate at the 2,500 hectare Civil Aviation Complex via Clark-Bangkok and Clark-Hong Kong routes.

Cebu Pacific is also planning to operate other destinations in Clark, which includes Macau, Singapore, and Taiwan making the former US facility as their hub in the Northern Luzon area.

Korea's Asiana Airlines last July 22 started their Clark-US routes every Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays at 1:10 p.m. and will arrive in Incheon in South Korea at 5:05 pm.

These will connect with Asiana's international flights to Los Angeles and New York every Tuesdays and Thursdays and to Chicago every Saturdays.

Asiana's flights have increased to 10 flights per week from their previous seven flights per week. Asiana's flights at DMIA use an AirBus 320 with a capacity of 142.

Other airlines operating at the airport include Tiger Airways of Singapore via Clark-Singapore-Macau routes, Air Asia of Malaysia via Clark-Kuala Lumpur and Clark-Kota Kinabalu.

Dreamtofly

July 31st, 2008, 12:36 PM

Obligatory Masterplan Post:

http://www.clarkairport.com/images/real_masterplan.jpg

How many years until we see the masterplan fully realized? My guess: 2020

I think masyado ng nag ambistion ang Pinas. Open skies policy nga hindi ma approve. At base sa traffic ng passenger at flight No. 52 pa tayo sa world.

Baga maging kagaya na naman ito ng T3 na years before ma buksan.

Dapat mag karoon muna tayo ng open air policy sa pinas bago mag gawa ng pinakamalaking airport in the world (record breaking itong project na ito (base on wikkipedia).

Ang hirap mag book ng flight pa-uwi ng pinas. Walang lagi seat. Kailangan mo mag book two months in advance and purchase the ticket right away. Then the flight is so expensive, kasi hindi open ang ating Skies (hehehe).

What i can say is Nice plan for the future if it will remain for future (hahahaha)

Did you know that our policy in the Country is a Joke!!!!!!

I been in ibang bansa and i stayed in ibang bansa and i obsreve na we are a Banana Republic!!!!! Kasi our Official is mga Unggoy!!!!!!!

Sorry for the bad words!!!!!!! But this is the reality

medviation

July 31st, 2008, 01:13 PM

^^ :ohno:

You know why the Philippines is poor? Many Filipinos don't appreciate, respect and love the country much. They take it as a joke. When it comes to electing the leaders, they still take it as a joke, so the voted officials are also a joke. It's not the corrupt officials to be blamed, it's the ones who voted the corrupt officials.

And you know, those last 5 sentences of yours made us off-topic. We're in the DMIA thread.

It's not bad to have a big ambition, to have big dreams. It's not bad to plan a really big airport for the Philippines. Most of the Filipinos have the "pwede na yan" attitude. I think this will turn out good. I hope the government has learned their lesson in the NAIA T3.

Dreamtofly

July 31st, 2008, 01:32 PM

kiretoce

July 31st, 2008, 02:04 PM

^^ Hey newbie. Shape up, or ship out! :nono:

bartstrife99

July 31st, 2008, 02:07 PM

FerrariLover

July 31st, 2008, 02:36 PM

I think masyado ng nag ambistion ang Pinas. Open skies policy nga hindi ma approve. At base sa traffic ng passenger at flight No. 52 pa tayo sa world.

Baga maging kagaya na naman ito ng T3 na years before ma buksan.

Dapat mag karoon muna tayo ng open air policy sa pinas bago mag gawa ng pinakamalaking airport in the world (record breaking itong project na ito (base on wikkipedia).

Ang hirap mag book ng flight pa-uwi ng pinas. Walang lagi seat. Kailangan mo mag book two months in advance and purchase the ticket right away. Then the flight is so expensive, kasi hindi open ang ating Skies (hehehe).

What i can say is Nice plan for the future if it will remain for future (hahahaha)

Did you know that our policy in the Country is a Joke!!!!!!

I been in ibang bansa and i stayed in ibang bansa and i obsreve na we are a Banana Republic!!!!! Kasi our Official is mga Unggoy!!!!!!!

Sorry for the bad words!!!!!!! But this is the reality

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Ikaw buti pa wag ka na Umuwi ng Pilipinas. ung iba pinoy gaya ko
I say "GOD THINGS ABOUT MY COUNTRY" kahit di ganun talaga
Ikaw naman kung ano ang pinupula mo sa bansa natin. Makita
lang kita sa Pinas isasabit kita sa Puno ng Banana...

Isa kang walang ka kwenta-kwentang Mamayang Pilipino.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

portune

August 1st, 2008, 02:34 AM

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Ikaw buti pa wag ka na Umuwi ng Pilipinas. ung iba pinoy gaya ko
I say "GOD THINGS ABOUT MY COUNTRY" kahit di ganun talaga
Ikaw naman kung ano ang pinupula mo sa bansa natin. Makita
lang kita sa Pinas isasabit kita sa Puno ng Banana...

Isa kang walang ka kwenta-kwentang Mamayang Pilipino.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Relax lang newbie sya eh gaya ko. But most of the time nagbabasa lang ako ng mga thread dito pasingit singit lang ang post ko. Huwag na lang pansinin yung mga puro reklamo. Let's go back to the topic na lang.:ohno:

crappypants

August 1st, 2008, 02:42 AM

Potchot69

August 1st, 2008, 02:57 AM

You know what guys, no matter what good development comes, there will always be negative people. Why? Because of their ignorance. They base their opinions solely on TV Patrol and ABS-CBN, the country's number one destabilizer.

That's why I believe, the country's future lies on our hands, the optimists. So 'wag n'yong pansinin ang mga skeptics dahil hindi nila alam na sila mismo ang nagpapalala ng sitwasyon sa Pilipinas.:bash:

portune

August 1st, 2008, 03:12 AM

Manila-X

August 1st, 2008, 05:24 AM

RonnieR

August 1st, 2008, 09:17 AM

I think masyado ng nag ambistion ang Pinas. Open skies policy nga hindi ma approve. At base sa traffic ng passenger at flight No. 52 pa tayo sa world.

Baga maging kagaya na naman ito ng T3 na years before ma buksan.

Dapat mag karoon muna tayo ng open air policy sa pinas bago mag gawa ng pinakamalaking airport in the world (record breaking itong project na ito (base on wikkipedia).

Ang hirap mag book ng flight pa-uwi ng pinas. Walang lagi seat. Kailangan mo mag book two months in advance and purchase the ticket right away. Then the flight is so expensive, kasi hindi open ang ating Skies (hehehe).

What i can say is Nice plan for the future if it will remain for future (hahahaha)

Did you know that our policy in the Country is a Joke!!!!!!

I been in ibang bansa and i stayed in ibang bansa and i obsreve na we are a Banana Republic!!!!! Kasi our Official is mga Unggoy!!!!!!!

Sorry for the bad words!!!!!!! But this is the reality

OT na nga eto.

Look at yourself first. You even cannot express yourself properly in English and you try to mix it with Tagalog, eh mali din ang grammar. I believe you just copied the word Banana republic from our stupid politicians or some militants.

Dreamtofly

August 1st, 2008, 01:37 PM

whippersnapper

August 1st, 2008, 02:32 PM

FerrariLover

August 1st, 2008, 02:54 PM

eh bakit ikaw dreamtofly username mo..
ingat ka baka kahit sa panaginip bumagsak ka..
hindi kami mainitin ang ulo..
we just love our country..

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Siguro naman si Dreamtofly may pusong pinoy din kase kung wala sya
interes sa mga happenings sa tin di sya makikidakdak dito sa forum na ito at makikibalita sa mga magagandang nangyayari sa Pinas.

Dreamfly continue what you feel and think... as in Italian.. Que Catcho..
Porca Futana...

medviation

August 1st, 2008, 04:04 PM

angelneo

August 1st, 2008, 04:11 PM

just one of those bashers... not worth our time to argue with...

sonnyville

August 1st, 2008, 07:04 PM

ang mayabang na hinde marunong tumingin sa pinangalingan, walang mg yayari sa buhay kung hinde salita at kayabangan lang! parang yung mga pinoy sa america who look down on other pinoy's who have just recently immigrated. they forget where they come from, at maski saan ka galing o tiga saan ka man, pantay pantay lang tayo. galing pa rin sa pilipinas at sana wag naman bastosin ang tahanan. yeah, we have issues in our home country, but no reason to say such things. i can bet na matagal ka na hinde nakauwi and you'd probably be surprised how progress has changed things since the last time you've visited. before we aspire such drastic changes in our country and expect such great things, let's start within ourselves and how we treat each other. forgive and forget people....

dreamtofly... ich spriche sie deutsch? verziehen.

urban myth

August 2nd, 2008, 03:03 AM

Sorry po kasi hindi po ako aki America and hindi din po ako laki pinas kaya my english and tagalog is baloktot if you want i can post in swedish or german or italian.....

Anyway If everyone of us will be optimistic. wala mangyari kasi everything will be superfacial.....

I think hindi pa rin nag bago ang pinoy masyado pa rin maiinit ang ulo. Hindi pa rin marunong tumanggap ng truth.

I think kahit na hindi na kami Pilipino, we still support this country because we are the one of those million filipino outside sending billion of dollors just to help the economy to grow.....

There is a difference between being constructively critical and putting down your own country.

And Filipinos are so not hot-headed. On the contrary, filipinos are known for their humor and ability to smile despite adversities. The fact that you got all these comments shows that you have stepped over the line and offended sensibilities. Filipino patriots will never take insults about the Philippines sitting down, even if it is by a fellow countryman.

And I am happy to hear that you still support this country, but financial support is just one aspect. Perception and regard for the Philippines is another, and perhaps just as important if not more. The way you think about the Philippines influences how others think about it. And how people think about the Philippines influences its development and status as a nation.

To all the filipinos, the fault of the Philippines is our fault as filipinos. Please remember that.