http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/8303072.stm

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/Councillor-mounts-ship-protest.5725263.jp

Will we see this ship return to the banks of the Wear?

Disgusting to see this being allowed to go to rack and ruin.

It is a more important historic clipper than the Cutty Sark. Yet which one get's the government handouts in no time at all?

Sign this petition :)

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Save-Our-Ship/

Some encouraging news regarding the Adelaide, ---this from the Echo, ---


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Flying Dutchmen to Adelaide's rescue
Sign InRegisterPeter Maddison disembarks from the Adelaide after his four-day vigil on board to save her from wreckers.

Published Date:
17 October 2009
By Ross Robertson
Maritime campaigner Peter Maddison is returning to Scotland with the Dutch team he hopes will recover Wearside's 150-year-old clipper ship the City of Adelaide.

The independent councillor spent four days on board the remains of the ship last week at her resting place on the west coast of Scotland in a one-man protest to save her from the wreckers.

The Sunderland City of Adelaide Recovery Foundation (Scarf) hopes to hire a Netherlands-based company to ship the Adelaide home to Wearside on a barge.

After Peter's protest, the Dutch contractors now want to look more closely at the ship and her surroundings.

Peter, chairman of Scarf, said: "The company called me telling me they want to come up to Irvine (where the Adelaide lies) to carry out further surveys."

Peter's protest, which saw him living on board the hull of the Adelaide, captured the attention of the world.

The dad-of-one from Ashbrooke, Sunderland, who is so passionate about the Adelaide he named his six-year-old daughter after her, camped out on the ship's forecastle and spent his days starting to clear the decks of muck.

"It was a wonderful experience living on board the Adelaide," said Peter. "I've had so many telephone calls and text messages of support. It's been wonderful."

Peter said he had made some excellent contacts with his action, and had also heard from the descendants of those who had sailed on the ship and been involved with her long and varied history.

Scarf's ultimate plan is to restore the Adelaide – the world's oldest surviving clipper ship – to her former glory as a testament and tribute to Sunderland's history as the world's greatest ship-building town.

But they are still up against sceptics, as well as racing against the clock. The Scottish Maritime Museum plans to "scientifically deconstruct" the Adelaide as it cannot afford to keep her.

Sunderland City Council has held talks in recent months with Scarf and council leader Paul Watson said it would be possible to find a berth for the Adelaide on the River Wear.

But a long-standing council motion rules out spending taxpayers' cash on recovering or restoring the ship.

Peter said: "This is not going to be a drain on the taxpayer. The ship is going to generate business, training, employment and work."


The full article contains 394 words and appears in n/a newspaper.

Bump.

This really has to happen. Something to show the heritage of this city would be great as the city moves forwards with other key developments.

Your spot on there. The Adelaide could the focal point of a Maritime Musuem on the banks of the Wear. Look what they have achieved in the dock areas of Swansea Belfast Portsmouth Dundee Liverpool Bristol Hartlepool etc etc

Lets hope the council do the right thing for a change.

Theres now been 8/9 pro Adelaide letters in the Echo together with one in both the Daily Mail and the Northern Echo.

The people have spoken Sunderland council, are you listening !!

http://www.cityofadelaide1864.co.uk/

Two Tyneside yards have expressed an interest in berthing the Adelaide. Shame on you Sunderland city council.

Scots MSP Irene Oldfather is speaking in the Scottish Parliament this afternoon @ about 14.30 on the Adelaide issue.

Scots MSP Irene Oldfather is speaking in the Scottish Parliament this afternoon @ about 14.30 on the Adelaide issue.



Is she for or against saving the Adelaide? ----anyone know?

She wants it saved, but mentions Scotland Sunderland and Oz. Covering her back or what.

She wants it saved, but mentions Scotland Sunderland and Oz. Covering her back or what.

:lol: Talk about hedging bets, ----she will do herself a mischief straddling that Fence:lol: ----but seriously -----I thought we might have heard some better news by now, ---lets hope for the best in the new year.

:lol: Talk about hedging bets, ----she will do herself a mischief straddling that Fence:lol: ----but seriously -----I thought we might have heard some better news by now, ---lets hope for the best in the new year.

Some interesting debate on 3 separate threads on the SMB on this at present. Watch out for a piece in the Times on it soon.

In the Echo article on the Adelaide a few weeks ago, ---the Leader of Sunderland City Council, --Paul Watson, said, --it would be possible to find a berth for the Adelaide on the River Wear, ----does anyone know if any --Possible areas of the River have been identified.?

Bring the Addelaide Home, -----


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/BRITISH100/adelaideflag.jpg

In the Echo article on the Adelaide a few weeks ago, ---the Leader of Sunderland City Council, --Paul Watson, said, --it would be possible to find a berth for the Adelaide on the River Wear, ----does anyone know if any --Possible areas of the River have been identified.?
Under the Echo 24 Appartments ?

:lol: Talk about hedging bets, ----she will do herself a mischief straddling that Fence:lol: ----but seriously -----I thought we might have heard some better news by now, ---lets hope for the best in the new year.
I hear that Feb. 2010 is the deadline now.

Heres a bit more from the Scotish Parliament, -----this from the Echo, ----


--------Plea to Scots to help save The Adelaide.

Date:
18 November 2009
By Ross Robertson
THE Scottish Government has been urged to help send Sunderland's most historic ship home.

The plight of the City of Adelaide clipper ship was raised in the Scottish Parliament as MSPs met to discuss the country's historic environment.

Labour MSP Irene Oldfather, who represents the area where the 150-year-old ship lies, called on Scotland's Culture Minister Michael Russell to offer Wearside campaigners help to save the ship.

The Sunderland City of Adelaide Recovery Foundation (Scarf) wants to restore the ship as a monument to Wearside's ship building history and says its supporters have already promised £200,000 for the project.

Mrs Oldfather took the campaign to the Scottish Parliament after making contact with Scarf chairman Peter Maddison.

"I would genuinely welcome any input that the Minister could have to take discussions forward or perhaps to consider some small grant aid to assist in the preservation of the ship for future generations," she said.

"I am pleased to tell the Minister that I have been in touch with Sunderland councillor Peter Maddison, who is a long-standing campaigner for the ship to be returned to the place where it was built.

"I understand that there is a possibility for the ship to be taken to Sunderland by a Dutch freight company."

The MSP's speech came after Mr Maddison boarded the ship in October and camped out on deck in protest at the demolition plans.

The Scottish Maritime Museum has already advertised for a contractor to "scientifically deconstruct" the vessel.

The Adelaide sits on rented land, which the landlord wants back for a development – and the museum does not have the funds to either restore or keep the ship.

Mr Maddison returned to the ship last week with Dr Robert Prescott, from National Historic Ships, and Andrew Gregory, from a Dutch recovery shipping company, which says it can bring the vessel back to Sunderland for £400,000.

Ms Oldfather told MSPs of the situation, adding: "(The company) has calculated the cost of transferring the City of Adelaide to Sunderland in the current global economic situation at £400,000.

"Councillor Maddison has already raised half that money.




-----another £200,k needed, ---lets hope it can be raised.

Under the Echo 24 Appartments ?

Yes that would be a very prominent site, --just under the Bridge.

Lets hope Paul Watson remembers that he used to work in the yards !

Heres a bit more from the Scotish Parliament, -----this from the Echo, ----


--------Plea to Scots to help save The Adelaide.

Date:
18 November 2009
By Ross Robertson
THE Scottish Government has been urged to help send Sunderland's most historic ship home.

The plight of the City of Adelaide clipper ship was raised in the Scottish Parliament as MSPs met to discuss the country's historic environment.

Labour MSP Irene Oldfather, who represents the area where the 150-year-old ship lies, called on Scotland's Culture Minister Michael Russell to offer Wearside campaigners help to save the ship.

The Sunderland City of Adelaide Recovery Foundation (Scarf) wants to restore the ship as a monument to Wearside's ship building history and says its supporters have already promised £200,000 for the project.

Mrs Oldfather took the campaign to the Scottish Parliament after making contact with Scarf chairman Peter Maddison.

"I would genuinely welcome any input that the Minister could have to take discussions forward or perhaps to consider some small grant aid to assist in the preservation of the ship for future generations," she said.

"I am pleased to tell the Minister that I have been in touch with Sunderland councillor Peter Maddison, who is a long-standing campaigner for the ship to be returned to the place where it was built.

"I understand that there is a possibility for the ship to be taken to Sunderland by a Dutch freight company."

The MSP's speech came after Mr Maddison boarded the ship in October and camped out on deck in protest at the demolition plans.

The Scottish Maritime Museum has already advertised for a contractor to "scientifically deconstruct" the vessel.

The Adelaide sits on rented land, which the landlord wants back for a development – and the museum does not have the funds to either restore or keep the ship.

Mr Maddison returned to the ship last week with Dr Robert Prescott, from National Historic Ships, and Andrew Gregory, from a Dutch recovery shipping company, which says it can bring the vessel back to Sunderland for £400,000.

Ms Oldfather told MSPs of the situation, adding: "(The company) has calculated the cost of transferring the City of Adelaide to Sunderland in the current global economic situation at £400,000.

"Councillor Maddison has already raised half that money.




-----another £200,k needed, ---lets hope it can be raised.
That shoudn't be a problem with the funding its the berth thats crucial.

The rumours about the tyne yards appears to be true ie two berth offers for the Adelaide.

Does anyone know if the offer of a Berth for the Adelaide by Alex Smiles is still on, ---or was it withdrawn?

What's the problem with Austin's Pontoon (below the Echo Building, near where Ambit was previously moored) as a site for the berthing? It would be excellent, but I read somewhere that the university own that part of the riverside and apparently have privileges over future developments in the area?

From what I can gather its been withdrawn.

What's the problem with Austin's Pontoon (below the Echo Building, near where Ambit was previously moored) as a site for the berthing? It would be excellent, but I read somewhere that the university own that part of the riverside and apparently have privileges over future developments in the area?
SCARF seem confident that a berth is available if the council ever get around to confirming it.

Sharon Hodgson MP for G/Head East and Washington is apparently pro Adelaide. Its about time she spoke out.

Aye thats right ! And his father-in-law Tommy Rowe is the Chairman of Sunderland Maritime Heritage.


Lets hope Paul Watson remembers that he used to work in the yards !

Why would the University want a tourist attraction based immediately adjacent to the Panns Bank Halls of Residence? Obviously students need peace and quiet to study without disturbance.

The Uni does not own the land anyway - it belongs exclusively to Sunderland City Council. The council spent £25,000 on a team of consultants (HALCROW) to investigate whether the site was suitable for a Maritime Museum in 2003. They came to the conclusion that it wasn't because of constricted access and lack of space, which had serious H & S implications.


What's the problem with Austin's Pontoon (below the Echo Building, near where Ambit was previously moored) as a site for the berthing? It would be excellent, but I read somewhere that the university own that part of the riverside and apparently have privileges over future developments in the area?

Aye thats right ! And his father-in-law Tommy Rowe is the Chairman of Sunderland Maritime Heritage.
You would think that might inspire him into doing something constuctive about the Adelaide.

Why would the University want a tourist attraction based immediately adjacent to the Panns Bank Halls of Residence? Obviously students need peace and quiet to study without disturbance.

The Uni does not own the land anyway - it belongs exclusively to Sunderland City Council. The council spent £25,000 on a team of consultants (HALCROW) to investigate whether the site was suitable for a Maritime Museum in 2003. They came to the conclusion that it wasn't because of constricted access and lack of space, which had serious H & S implications.
Maybe there is another berth down the river. I will have to ask Peter Maddison the next time I see him in Doyles in Deptford.

I received an email from Chris Mullin two weeks ago, sent to him from Professor Ian Buxton and Professor George Bruce, who are both experts in Maritime Conservation from the University of Newcastle. He advised me that the CoA is now in such bad condition that it is a complete right off and 100% certain to be demolished.

As such, I wouldn't waste your time hoping that it will be coming back to Sunderland. The City Council have had 17 years to make this happen and its yet another wasted opportunity. :bash::ohno:



Maybe there is another berth down the river. I will have to ask Peter Maddison the next time I see him in Doyles in Deptford.

I received an email from Chris Mullin two weeks ago, sent to him from Professor Ian Buxton and Professor George Bruce, who are both experts in Maritime Conservation from the University of Newcastle. He advised me that the CoA is now in such bad condition that it is a complete right off and 100% certain to be demolished.

As such, I wouldn't waste your time hoping that it will be coming back to Sunderland. The City Council have had 17 years to make this happen and its yet another wasted opportunity. :bash::ohno:
So as Peter Maddison actually stayed on the ship and will therefore know what state its in why does he still campaign for its return ?

At the end of the day he can campaign as much as he wants too! the reality is he is just a solitary Independent Councillor and he cannot acheive anything without the support of the ruling Labour group.

His passion for the CoA is admirable so its a real shame his efforts seem to have been futile.

So as Peter Maddison actually stayed on the ship and will therefore know what state its in why does he still campaign for its return ?

At the end of the day he can campaign as much as he wants too! the reality is he is just a solitary Independent Councillor and he cannot acheive anything without the support of the ruling Labour group.

His passion for the CoA is admirable so its a real shame his efforts seem to have been futile.
Its not over yet particuarly if he gets the national lottery money to fund it.

Without City Council support there will be no Lottery money and if Chris Mullin is sending out emails like that to anyone who makes enquiries about the Adelaide its fair to say the Council are just not interested.

Its not over yet particuarly if he gets the national lottery money to fund it.

Without City Council support there will be no Lottery money and if Chris Mullin is sending out emails like that to anyone who makes enquiries about the Adelaide its fair to say the Council are just not interested.
Peter Maddison had a mt. with a rep. from the National Lottery this week.

So why didn't he do that 3 years ago ?

Peter Maddison had a mt. with a rep. from the National Lottery this week.

So why didn't he do that 3 years ago ?
Maybe he did I don't know !

This whole SCARF business has turned into a farce.

Cllr Maddison stated in the Echo (Dec 2007) that the Adelaide was definately coming back to Sunderland in the Summer of 2008. Last December he stated it would home by this summer (again in the Echo). In April, Matty Roseberry was going to fund the return (and it would be here by September 2009) and yet nothing happened and now we have Tommy Rowe sending letters to the Echo stating that nothing had ever been planned regarding bringing the Adelaide home.

Like a lot of Wearsiders I'm getting rather bored with the whole business :bash:


Maybe he did I don't know !

This whole SCARF business has turned into a farce.

Cllr Maddison stated in the Echo (Dec 2007) that the Adelaide was definately coming back to Sunderland in the Summer of 2008. Last December he stated it would home by this summer (again in the Echo). In April, Matty Roseberry was going to fund the return (and it would be here by September 2009) and yet nothing happened and now we have Tommy Rowe sending letters to the Echo stating that nothing had ever been planned regarding bringing the Adelaide home.

Like a lot of Wearsiders I'm getting rather bored with the whole business :bash:


So if you are so bored with it why go to the trouble of posting about it !!

Boredom :nuts:


So if you are so bored with it why go to the trouble of posting about it !!

The BBC are going to film a documentary about the Adelaide.

Apparently there is 5/6 letters about the Adelaide in tonights Echo. I have not read them myself anyone on here read them yet ?

One of the letters makes a very good pont about the council wasting money on staff cars. 2 million this year apparently.

The Times have done an interview with Peter Maddison which should be published this week.

Another one of the letters asks for a poll on the Adelaide. It would be interesting if they carried one out !

Yep id be interested in seeing a poll!

Should be an interesting read, thanks for the info

Should be an interesting read, thanks for the info


I will try and find out what day its in.

The Echo appears to be pro Adelaide now.

The Times have done an interview with Peter Maddison which should be published this week.


Lets hope for more good publicity, -----wonder if the Echo will back the bid to bring back the Adelaide.

Finally got an e mail reply from Paul Watson after waiting five weeks.

He says the council are currently looking for berths on the Wear for the Adelaide and the council support the passionate campaign but not at the expense of Sunderlands taxpayers.

Lets hope for more good publicity, -----wonder if the Echo will back the bid to bring back the Adelaide.

Well I know some months ago people were writing into the Echo in support of the Adelaide and the letters were not getting published but there must have been 15/16 in the Echo over the last 6 weeks.

Hopefully a turning point ? !

Well I know some months ago people were writing into the Echo in support of the Adelaide and the letters were not getting published but there must have been 15/16 in the Echo over the last 6 weeks.

Hopefully a turning point ? !


I've noticed lately that there seems to be more folk discussing the Adelaide, ---and hoping for ships return, ---suppose we've just got to hope for the best.

Finally got an e mail reply from Paul Watson after waiting five weeks.

He says the council are currently looking for berths on the Wear for the Adelaide and the council support the passionate campaign but not at the expense of Sunderlands taxpayers.


Pleased you got a reply kb, --- actions speak louder than words though, ---lets hope these are not hollow words from the Council, ----at least the Council recognise how passionate people are about bringing back the Adelaide.

I think there has been a lottery mt. about the Adelaide this wk.

Yes thats got to be a good thing.

I think there has been a lottery mt. about the Adelaide this wk.


Hopefully the lottery heritage people will put some funding into saving the Adelaide.

Hopefully the lottery heritage people will put some funding into saving the Adelaide.

Fingers crossed.

Do SCARF still mt in Doyles ?

Has anyone any news of the meeting with the Heritage Lottery people.?

Has anyone any news of the meeting with the Heritage Lottery people.?

No news as yet

I wonder what happened to the Times article on the Adelaide ?

I wonder what happened to the Times article on the Adelaide ?


yeah, ---not heard anymore about it.

No news as yet


They might not have had the meeting yet:lol:

They might not have had the meeting yet:lol:

I believe the mt. has happened.

yeah, ---not heard anymore about it.

Also, wonder when the documentary about the Adelaide is going to be shown ?

Also, wonder when the documentary about the Adelaide is going to be shown ?

This is news to me kb, ---I haven't read or heard about a documentary, ---will have to look out for it, cheers.

I believe the mt. has happened.


Good, then hopefully we should here some news soon

Good, then hopefully we should here some news soon

Heres hoping that its postive news.

One of the SCRAF members was saying in TJ Doyles that a local tv crew are interested in doing it.

Just heard there should be some movement from Sunderland council on the Adelaide issue next week.

One of the SCRAF members was saying in TJ Doyles that a local tv crew are interested in doing it.


Great, will look forward to seeing this, --(if it happens) :cheers:

Just heard there should be some movement from Sunderland council on the Adelaide issue next week.


Thats good news, ---could be they have found a suitable berth for the Adelaide.:banana:

Yet another pro Adelaide letter in the echo last night with a Carlisle address.

Yet another pro Adelaide letter in the echo last night with a Carlisle address.

Looks like the word is spreading.:banana:

Another four postive letters re Adelaide in last nights Echo.

I believe the Council might have some news regarding the Adelaide sometime next week, ---hope it's good news.:)

Monday/Tuesday ?

I see Wylam Leisure are backing the Adelaide. 10p from every pint of Fosters is going towards the Adelaide fund.

I see Wylam Leisure are backing the Adelaide. 10p from every pint of Fosters is going towards the Adelaide fund.

Thats good, --didn't someone else have a similar idea early on this year?

Thats good, --didn't someone else have a similar idea early on this year?

Not sure. Though I first heard about the wylam idea about 6 months ago.

Monday/Tuesday ?


Will look out for any announcements.

Not sure. Though I first heard about the wylam idea about 6 months ago.


It might have been what you say, --although I have something in the back of my mind, ---I think it was something to do with a sweet shop giving a percentage, --of course I could be a million mile wrong:nuts::lol:, ---anyway, --every little helps, --so good on Wylams.

Sweet Home Albamba sell Adelaide rock where 10p goes towards the fund. I usually get a couple of sticks of it in Doyles.

Sweet Home Albamba sell Adelaide rock where 10p goes towards the fund. I usually get a couple of sticks of it in Doyles.


Ah thats it, ---thats what I've been thinking of cheers.

Regarding possible Berths for the Adelaide if she can be brought home, -----we know many peoples choice is the old Austins Pontoon, -----but I've heard some people mentioning a final Berth alongside the NGC. ---whats peoples thoughts?

Lets hope there is some postive news on the Adelaide this week.

Lets hope there is some postive news on the Adelaide this week.

Yeah, think the Council has said there might be news from them, ---hope its regarding a Berth, ----don't know if theres any news due from the Lottery people though.

The Times article about the Adelaide and Peter Maddison was published yesterday but I have not seen it as yet.

The Times article about the Adelaide and Peter Maddison was published yesterday but I have not seen it as yet.

I can't seem to find it, --- anyone seen the article? cheers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article6953510.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article6953510.ece


Thanks G A, --It's a excellent article, --very interesting too, --but the remarks of Mr Madison doesn't bode well.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/Adelaide-cash-bid-fails.5912452.jp

:ohno:

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/Adelaide-cash-bid-fails.5912452.jp

:ohno:

Yeah it's a blow to the cause, ---but despite the knock back it looks as though they are determined to fight on, ---good on them.

Yeah it's a blow to the cause, ---but despite the knock back it looks as though they are determined to fight on, ---good on them.


Peter Maddison has still not played all his cards.

Watch this space .........................................................

Peter Maddison has still not played all his cards.

Watch this space .........................................................


I'm intrigued now, :lol:

It was just something that Peter Maddison said to me last Friday that the lottery money was notthe end of the campaign by a long way.

It was just something that Peter Maddison said to me last Friday that the lottery money was notthe end of the campaign by a long way.


Hopefully he's got a couple of tricks left, ---but time is of the essence.

Does anyone know if there's been any updates from either the Council, or, Mr Maddison.? thanks.

It was just something that Peter Maddison said to me last Friday that the lottery money was notthe end of the campaign by a long way.

Maybe Peter Maddison has some businessmen on board (no pun intended) who are prepared to back the bid.

Regarding possible Berths for the Adelaide if she can be brought home, -----we know many peoples choice is the old Austins Pontoon, -----but I've heard some people mentioning a final Berth alongside the NGC. ---whats peoples thoughts?


I would prefer Austins Pontoon.

Maybe Peter Maddison has some businessmen on board (no pun intended) who are prepared to back the bid.


Tony Griffiths Russell Foster Matt Rosebury etc perhaps ?

Tony Griffiths Russell Foster Matt Rosebury etc perhaps ?



Tony Griffiths, -----is this the lad that part owns the Glass Spider and the Pullman Lodge Hotel at Seaburn?

I would prefer Austins Pontoon.


Yeah I think Austins is most peoples choice, ---hope it's the Councils, --and that it's the berth they said they were trying to find.

Austins pontoon, is that the one by Panns bank, just under the Bridge?

Austins pontoon, is that the one by Panns bank, just under the Bridge?


Yep thats the one mate.

Anyone been on the offical site lately ? www.cityofadelaide1864.co.uk Apparently its had a massive amount of hits in the last 2 months.

Tony Griffiths, -----is this the lad that part owns the Glass Spider and the Pullman Lodge Hotel at Seaburn?

The one and the same and the man who was Come Dine With Me.

Maybe Peter Maddison has some businessmen on board (no pun intended) who are prepared to back the bid.

400 individuals and businesses have pledged their support through money for the return of the Adelaide.

400 individuals and businesses have pledged their support through money for the return of the Adelaide.


Excellent news kb, ---still no news from the Council regarding a Berth though.

Excellent news kb, ---still no news from the Council regarding a Berth though.

True enough marra.

SCARF have produced a quality Christmas card if you get a chance to see one.

Anyone been on the offical site lately ? www.cityofadelaide1864.co.uk Apparently its had a massive amount of hits in the last 2 months.


Never been on there for a while, ---will have to have a look some time.

True enough marra.

SCARF have produced a quality Christmas card if you get a chance to see one.

Where are they on sale,---I would buy a few to send to relatives, ---to late for this year like:lol:

Where are they on sale,---I would buy a few to send to relatives, ---to late for this year like:lol:

Not on sale marra but you might get one from the sweet shop Sweet Home Alabama on Mackies Corner TJ Doyles Deptford or councillor Peter Maddison himself.

Not on sale marra but you might get one from the sweet shop Sweet Home Alabama on Mackies Corner TJ Doyles Deptford or councillor Peter Maddison himself.

Are they not allowed to sell them like? ---I might pop into the sweet shop if I find time though, --cheers.

I thought the Council were going to make an announcement about the location of a berth for the clipper, I hope they havent changed their minds.

I thought the Council were going to make an announcement about the location of a berth for the clipper, I hope they havent changed their minds.

I think they are commited to providing a berth now.

Are they not allowed to sell them like? ---I might pop into the sweet shop if I find time though, --cheers.

I'm sure the owner Martin O'Neill would let you have a card and don't forget your stick of Adelaide rock for the cause !

I'm sure the owner Martin O'Neill would let you have a card and don't forget your stick of Adelaide rock for the cause !

:lol: Yeah, I will probably get some for the Grand bairns.

:lol: Yeah, I will probably get some for the Grand bairns.

Nice one

I think they are commited to providing a berth now.

Yeah, --and good on them if they have identified somewhere as a Berth, ---they are most likely waiting to see if the campaign group succeed before they announce a Berth.

I think they are commited to providing a berth now.

Lets hope so, but I'm disappointed they havent made an announcement on this yet.

Interesting thread. I had no idea that there was such a lobby from Sunderland. Must admit I didnt know the ship was built there. Whenever I see news reports about this in our media, all they talk about is what the Scottish are planning for it.

Hopefully it can get back to Sunderland to get restored. I doubt that it could get ever get back to South Australia. My mums side of my family came out here around the 1880's. I think I may check if they were on it - I would say they were

Interesting thread. I had no idea that there was such a lobby from Sunderland. Must admit I didnt know the ship was built there. Whenever I see news reports about this in our media, all they talk about is what the Scottish are planning for it.

Hopefully it can get back to Sunderland to get restored. I doubt that it could get ever get back to South Australia. My mums side of my family came out here around the 1880's. I think I may check if they were on it - I would say they were


Thanks for your post mate, ----
I suppose it's understandable that the media in South Australia are not keen on reporting the Sunderland Campaign, --they wouldn't want to give any publicity to a rival Campaign group, ----as for bringing the Adelaide back home to Sunderland where she was built, ----many people think it would be a fitting tribute to our City and the thousands of ex Shipyard workers who worked in the yards for Centuries, --and to Sunderlands Maritime Heritage if she could be brought back and restore as a permanent reminder of The once "Greatest Shipbuilding Town in the World", we are all hoping this will happen, --- ----btw, it will be interesting if part of your family did come over on the Adelaide, ---if you find out, --then let us know, --cheers.

Interesting thread. I had no idea that there was such a lobby from Sunderland. Must admit I didnt know the ship was built there. Whenever I see news reports about this in our media, all they talk about is what the Scottish are planning for it.

Hopefully it can get back to Sunderland to get restored. I doubt that it could get ever get back to South Australia. My mums side of my family came out here around the 1880's. I think I may check if they were on it - I would say they were

Great post would be interesting to find out about your family links with the Adelaide. It will be a tavestry if the Adelaide does not return to the Wear.

:lol: Yeah, I will probably get some for the Grand bairns.


Good picture of the Adelaide Chrissie card on SMB

Has anybody heard anything more about a permanent berth, or has any updates, thanks.

There was a piece in the Echo last night saying that the Aussies were definately interested in the Adelaide ship.

Though in the same article Peter Maddisin said once again that he was confident that it would end up on the Wear.

There was a piece in the Echo last night saying that the Aussies were definately interested in the Adelaide ship.

Though in the same article Peter Maddisin said once again that he was confident that it would end up on the Wear.


Mr Maddison does sound confident, ---maybe he's got a Ace or two up his sleeve.:)

Could be great news, -----there's a piece on the BBC news text saying that Peter Maddison says he has had a breakthrough, ---he said an Engineering Firm is willing to help, --he says it plans to bring the Adelaide back to Sunderland,, -----this will be excellent if it happens.:banana:

Plan offers fresh hope to keep ship afloat
Jan 4 2010 The Journal

A defiant campaigner from the North last night set out fresh hopes to rescue the world’s oldest passenger clipper ship from plans to break it up.

Sunderland councillor Peter Maddison said yesterday that he has enlisted a team of engineers who could save the 145-year-old City of Adelaide, currently resting on a slipway on the west coast of Scotland.

The Scottish Maritime Museum wants to “scientifically deconstruct” the historic ship – which predates the Cutty Sark – and has until the end of March next year to remove it.

Built in Sunderland, the vessel took people and wool between Australia and Britain on 28 round trips. Mr Maddison, a former merchant seaman, hit the headlines last year when he briefly occupied the clipper’s ageing hulk at Irvine.

Yesterday he said that an engineering firm has been found to transport the ship from the Ayrshire Metals-owned land to Wearside.

He added: “Our company secretary and lawyer is right now attempting to get permission from Scottish Maritime and Ayrshire Metals to get a site visit on January 4 or 5.

“Clearly, if we are to recover the ship, we must have access to the site to allow our naval architect and engineers to plan the recovery.

“I wish it could be straightforward, but it won’t be.

“Every inch of the way we have to contend with awkwardness and obstruction.

“However, we will continue to patiently and firmly apply ourselves to the task that must be accomplished.”

Mr Maddison faces rival bids from Australia, where the vessel – later known as Carrick – is seen as an integral part of the country’s history.

But he said: “We’ve got the city of Sunderland behind us. I’ve got two hotels in Irvine ready to take 30 volunteers from Sunderland.

“The volunteers are highly skilled and highly motivated former shipyard workers ready to graft again and prepare the Adelaide for her return journey.

“Half the bars and clubs in Sunderland are on stand-by ready to hold fundraising events to support our volunteers in Irvine.”

Following recent discussions, Historic Scotland said: “Sadly, and despite the recent widespread publicity about her future, no viable option for her restoration has yet been presented.

“Deconstruction is the most appropriate conclusion”, a spokeswoman added.

Despite recent widespread publicity about her future, no viable option for her restoration has yet been presented

Plan offers fresh hope to keep ship afloat
Jan 4 2010 The Journal

A defiant campaigner from the North last night set out fresh hopes to rescue the world’s oldest passenger clipper ship from plans to break it up.

Sunderland councillor Peter Maddison said yesterday that he has enlisted a team of engineers who could save the 145-year-old City of Adelaide, currently resting on a slipway on the west coast of Scotland.

The Scottish Maritime Museum wants to “scientifically deconstruct” the historic ship – which predates the Cutty Sark – and has until the end of March next year to remove it.

Built in Sunderland, the vessel took people and wool between Australia and Britain on 28 round trips. Mr Maddison, a former merchant seaman, hit the headlines last year when he briefly occupied the clipper’s ageing hulk at Irvine.

Yesterday he said that an engineering firm has been found to transport the ship from the Ayrshire Metals-owned land to Wearside.

He added: “Our company secretary and lawyer is right now attempting to get permission from Scottish Maritime and Ayrshire Metals to get a site visit on January 4 or 5.

“Clearly, if we are to recover the ship, we must have access to the site to allow our naval architect and engineers to plan the recovery.

“I wish it could be straightforward, but it won’t be.

“Every inch of the way we have to contend with awkwardness and obstruction.

“However, we will continue to patiently and firmly apply ourselves to the task that must be accomplished.”

Mr Maddison faces rival bids from Australia, where the vessel – later known as Carrick – is seen as an integral part of the country’s history.

But he said: “We’ve got the city of Sunderland behind us. I’ve got two hotels in Irvine ready to take 30 volunteers from Sunderland.

“The volunteers are highly skilled and highly motivated former shipyard workers ready to graft again and prepare the Adelaide for her return journey.

“Half the bars and clubs in Sunderland are on stand-by ready to hold fundraising events to support our volunteers in Irvine.”

Following recent discussions, Historic Scotland said: “Sadly, and despite the recent widespread publicity about her future, no viable option for her restoration has yet been presented.

“Deconstruction is the most appropriate conclusion”, a spokeswoman added.

Despite recent widespread publicity about her future, no viable option for her restoration has yet been presented

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Thanks the article marra, --it's great news, ---and as I said in my previous post it will be excellent if it happens, cheers:cheers:

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We can only hope that Mr Maddison's plan is viable , --and that the Scottish Maritime people will be satisfied sufficiently to give their permission to release the Adelaide, ---hoping for the best. cheers.

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Thanks the article marra, --it's great news, ---and as I said in my previous post it will be excellent if it happens, cheers:cheers:

It would be fantastic! Fingers crossed!!

Great news! fingers crossed :cheers:

Here's hoping. They should give Peter Maddison the freedom of the city if he pulls this off.

Its encouraging that Peter has 30 volunteers ready to go to Irvine and that half the bars and clubs in Sunderland will be holding fund raising events. Jamesons TJ Doyles and the Wylam Leisure group no doubt.

Here's hoping. They should give Peter Maddison the freedom of the city if he pulls this off.


Yeah, the man is doing a grand job, --and he will deserve all the plaudits if he can pull this off.

Yeah, the man is doing a grand job, --and he will deserve all the plaudits if he can pull this off.

He's what a proper councillor should be.

Peter hoping to be in Irvine tomorrow or Wed. with engineers and a naval architect.

He's what a proper councillor should be.

Can't argue with that.:)

Peter hoping to be in Irvine tomorrow or Wed. with engineers and a naval architect.

Great, ----lets hope we here some positive news very soon.

The Engineering firm is Express Engineering at Team Valley.

Another article confirming previous posts, --this from the Echo, ---




New hope for the Adelaide
Coun Peter Maddison on the Adelaide


Published Date:
04 January 2010
By Ross Robertson
A CAMPAIGNER trying to save an historic ship from the breaker's yard says there is new hope in his battle to restore the vessel to her former glory.

Sunderland councillor Peter Maddison says an engineering firm has contacted him asking to bring the City of Adelaide back to the River Wear where it was built in the 19th century.

Coun Maddison, who hit the headlines last year when he staged an occupation on board the clipper, wants to stop the Scottish Maritime Museum scientifically deconstructing the 145-year-old vessel.

He said: "Our company secretary and lawyer is right now attempting to get permission from Scottish Maritime and Ayrshire Metals, where she is based, to get a site visit today or tomorrow.

"Clearly, if we are to recover the ship, we must have access to the site to allow our naval architect and engineers to plan the recovery.
"I wish it could be straightforward, but it won't be. Every inch of the way we have to contend with awkwardness and obstruction."

The vessel took people and wool between Australia and Britain on 28 round trips.

Coun Maddison faces rival bids from Australia, where the vessel – later known as Carrick – is seen as an integral part of the country's history.

But he said: "We've got the city of Sunderland behind us. I've got two hotels in Irvine ready to take 30 volunteers from Sunderland.

"The volunteers are highly skilled and highly motivated former shipyard workers ready to graft again and prepare the Adelaide for her return journey.

"Half the bars and clubs in Sunderland are on stand-by ready to hold fund-raising events to support our volunteers in Irvine."

After discussions, Historic Scotland said: "Sadly, and despite the recent widespread publicity about her future, no viable option for her restoration has yet been presented."

Deconstruction is "the most appropriate conclusion", a spokeswoman added.

A deadline of February 1 has been set to save the Adelaide or she faces deconstruction

There's still no confirmation of a Berth, ---I know the Austins Pontoon was mentioned, ---but does anyone know if this is definite?

Great letter in todays Echo showing show the Adelaide once looked below decks. Makes the point that a restored Adelaide could become a living addition to our city.

Great letter in todays Echo showing show the Adelaide once looked below decks. Makes the point that a restored Adelaide could become a living addition to our city.

I love the old sailing Ships, --there's just something about them, ----if the Adelaide can be brought back and restored, --then it would be a testament to the thousands of ex Ship Workers of Sunderland, ---and a fitting tribute and icon of Sunderlands Shipbuilding prowess.

Peter hoping to be in Irvine tomorrow or Wed. with engineers and a naval architect.



We can only hope that everything turns out ok, hope we get some good news.

SCARF are mt.tomorrow.

SCARF are mt.tomorrow.


Good, ----hopefully we might here some good news by the weekend, cheers.

There's still no confirmation of a Berth, ---I know the Austins Pontoon was mentioned, ---but does anyone know if this is definite?

Paul Watson to my knowledge has not revealed where the birth is but has said that the city council are committed to providing one. Two Tyneside yards have definately offered berths.

Good, ----hopefully we might here some good news by the weekend, cheers.


I will have to tyy and meet up with Peter Maddison on Friday in Doyles ?

Paul Watson to my knowledge has not revealed where the birth is but has said that the city council are committed to providing one. Two Tyneside yards have definately offered berths.


Well if the City Council have said that they are committed to providing a Berth, ---then I think they should be applauded, ---of course if they go back on their word --:bash::ohno:

I will have to tyy and meet up with Peter Maddison on Friday in Doyles ?

Great kb, ---keep us up to date with the latest info, cheers.

Great kb, ---keep us up to date with the latest info, cheers.


I certainly will marra. A lot of the SCARF guys get in Doyles.

Paul Watson to my knowledge has not revealed where the birth is but has said that the city council are committed to providing one. Two Tyneside yards have definately offered berths.

Surely Austin's Pontoon would be by far the most suitable, being in a central location.

Having the ship there would also breathe life into the riverside areas close to the City Centre and hopefully be the catalyst for a few bars and restaurants down there to add to the City of Adelaide tourist experience.

It's interesting to note that the City Council's Central Area Urban Design Strategy shows the possibility of two river-level footbridges, one linking St. Peter's Riverside to the area around Austin's Pontoon. It got me thinking that if the City of Adelaide were to come to Austin's Pontoon, it would be great to have a link to the other side of the river so that people are drawn down from the City Centre to the Adelaide, and then over to the other side (Bonnersfield and St Peters would also be perfect for bars and restaurants overlooking the river, ship and Wearmouth Bridge).

The planning framework for St. Peters Riverside is due to come out for public consultation within the month. It will be interesting to see if a bridge is included within this.

Surely Austin's Pontoon would be by far the most suitable, being in a central location.

Having the ship there would also breathe life into the riverside areas close to the City Centre and hopefully be the catalyst for a few bars and restaurants down there to add to the City of Adelaide tourist experience.

It's interesting to note that the City Council's Central Area Urban Design Strategy shows the possibility of two river-level footbridges, one linking St. Peter's Riverside to the area around Austin's Pontoon. It got me thinking that if the City of Adelaide were to come to Austin's Pontoon, it would be great to have a link to the other side of the river so that people are drawn down from the City Centre to the Adelaide, and then over to the other side (Bonnersfield and St Peters would also be perfect for bars and restaurants overlooking the river, ship and Wearmouth Bridge).

The planning framework for St. Peters Riverside is due to come out for public consultation within the month. It will be interesting to see if a bridge is included within this.


I agree with your vision for the Riverside mate, -----as for a lower level foot bridge, ----it would have to be constructed in a way for it to open so as to allow vessels through, ---- as you say, it will be interesting to see what is in the framework, cheers, --btw, welcome to the forum.

I agree with your vision for the Riverside mate, -----as for a lower level foot bridge, ----it would have to be constructed in a way for it to open so as to allow vessels through, ---- as you say, it will be interesting to see what is in the framework, cheers, --btw, welcome to the forum.

Agree completely. I think a truly iconic bridge and the City of Adelaide could become a real catalyst for development and create a real hive of activity, in the same way as the Gateshead Millennium Bridge. Without copying the Millennium Bridge, I think there are a lot of modern and inventive solutions to movable bridges and I think the opportunity to have one there is something that should be fully exploited.

I also think High Street East, particularly the Quayside Exchange, should link in with this as it is a hidden gem but too cut off by the ring road.

Also, there is a particularly prominent development site between West Wear Street, Russell Street and Low Street which has a lot of potential in my opinion.

Agree completely. I think a truly iconic bridge and the City of Adelaide could become a real catalyst for development and create a real hive of activity, in the same way as the Gateshead Millennium Bridge. Without copying the Millennium Bridge, I think there are a lot of modern and inventive solutions to movable bridges and I think the opportunity to have one there is something that should be fully exploited.

I also think High Street East, particularly the Quayside Exchange, should link in with this as it is a hidden gem but too cut off by the ring road.

Also, there is a particularly prominent development site between West Wear Street, Russell Street and Low Street which has a lot of potential in my opinion.


Spot on mate I agree , -----also last year, one of the Councilors proposed to bring back the Wear Ferry which he believes could not only cross the River, ---but also travel up River to various picking up/ stopping off points, ---it might be worth considering.

Spot on mate I agree , -----also last year, one of the Councilors proposed to bring back the Wear Ferry which he believes could not only cross the River, ---but also travel up River to various picking up/ stopping off points, ---it might be worth considering.

Its definitely something that should be looked at. I think a service could stop at Deptford, (SOL on matchdays), Austin's Pontoon, Bonnersfield, Fish Quay then The Glass Centre.

I think such a service would mean a few more pubs popping up in the Deptford area and make it even more popular. The problem is, there's not enough at river-level at the moment to make such a service sustainable. The City of Adelaide and more residential/bars/restaurants at St. Peters would make a ferry essential and very well used. Its a bit of a chicken and egg scenario in a way, but I definately think the City of Adelaide would be the chicken! :)

Its definitely something that should be looked at. I think a service could stop at Deptford, (SOL on matchdays), Austin's Pontoon, Bonnersfield, Fish Quay then The Glass Centre.

I think such a service would mean a few more pubs popping up in the Deptford area and make it even more popular. The problem is, there's not enough at river-level at the moment to make such a service sustainable. The City of Adelaide and more residential/bars/restaurants at St. Peters would make a ferry essential and very well used. Its a bit of a chicken and egg scenario in a way, but I definately think the City of Adelaide would be the chicken! :)

Yes, the Adelaide could well be the centre for a modernised Riverside, ---don't know if it would ever happen though, --but we can hope:lol:

Surely Austin's Pontoon would be by far the most suitable, being in a central location.

Having the ship there would also breathe life into the riverside areas close to the City Centre and hopefully be the catalyst for a few bars and restaurants down there to add to the City of Adelaide tourist experience.

It's interesting to note that the City Council's Central Area Urban Design Strategy shows the possibility of two river-level footbridges, one linking St. Peter's Riverside to the area around Austin's Pontoon. It got me thinking that if the City of Adelaide were to come to Austin's Pontoon, it would be great to have a link to the other side of the river so that people are drawn down from the City Centre to the Adelaide, and then over to the other side (Bonnersfield and St Peters would also be perfect for bars and restaurants overlooking the river, ship and Wearmouth Bridge).

The planning framework for St. Peters Riverside is due to come out for public consultation within the month. It will be interesting to see if a bridge is included within this.


Some cracking ideas welcome ABOARD the forum marra.

Lets hope I have some fresh news on the Adelaide to post on here on Monday.

Lets hope I have some fresh news on the Adelaide to post on here on Monday.


Yeah, ---it would be good to here some encouraging and positive news marra.:cheers:

No massive breaking news from Peter Maddison last night. Other than there are now three engineering companies up for bringing the Adelaide home and a song has been written for the Adelaide written by Paul Jackson and Pete Dodds. Its had its first airing in Doyles last Thursday and they are hoping to perform it at the same venue this Thursday.

SCARF are hoping to revamp their website in the next 7/10 days.

SCARF are hoping to revamp their website in the next 7/10 days.

Some good news coming out recently regarding the CoA.

I have to say that if Cllr Maddison pulls this off, he will be a local hero.

I just wish that I could help out in some way, like im sure a lot of other people do. Its great to hear that a group of former shipyard workers have offered their services and that this project has brought out the best of the proud, hard working spirit that Sunderland truly is all about.

No massive breaking news from Peter Maddison last night. Other than there are now three engineering companies up for bringing the Adelaide home and a song has been written for the Adelaide written by Paul Jackson and Pete Dodds. Its had its first airing in Doyles last Thursday and they are hoping to perform it at the same venue this Thursday.

So what is holding the project back now mate?

Its great that three engineering companies have offered their services. Is it now a question of funding?

SCARF are hoping to revamp their website in the next 7/10 days.


That's good news, ---these fellas are doing great work, ---I will have to get down to their Heritage works in the summer to see the scaled ships they build, --they are dong a great job.

No massive breaking news from Peter Maddison last night. Other than there are now three engineering companies up for bringing the Adelaide home and a song has been written for the Adelaide written by Paul Jackson and Pete Dodds. Its had its first airing in Doyles last Thursday and they are hoping to perform it at the same venue this Thursday.


Three Engineering firms backing the campaign has to be good news, ---it just seems to be taking an age to get moving, --anyway good luck to all involved, --btw, this song, --have you heard it, --and if so, --is it any good?:):cheers:

SCARF are hoping to revamp their website in the next 7/10 days.

Great, I hope they can keep updating how the campaign is doing,:cheers:

Another SCARF mt. in Doyles this evening

Three Engineering firms backing the campaign has to be good news, ---it just seems to be taking an age to get moving, --anyway good luck to all involved, --btw, this song, --have you heard it, --and if so, --is it any good?:):cheers:

Words are spot on but I have not heard the tune as yet

It would be great if the song made a few thousand for the campaign, along with the other schemes, cheers.

Big mt in Edinburgh about the Adelaide tomorrow.

Big mt in Edinburgh about the Adelaide tomorrow.


Thats great, lets hope things go our way, and theres good news from the meeting.

Just heard the Oz Adelaide song the words are not as good as Pete Dodds and Paul Jacksons inspired lyrics

Big mt in Edinburgh about the Adelaide tomorrow.

Presumably with the Scottish Heritage people, ----could be a make or break meeting then, ----lets hope theres a good outcome.:cheers:

If you want to help you should e mail Peter Maddison @ the Civic or if its possible for you to attend one of their meetings in Doyles.

Exactly, and hopefully the web site revamped next week will keep everyone more informed.

If you want to help you should e mail Peter Maddison @ the Civic or if its possible for you to attend one of their meetings in Doyles.

As much as I would love to help, --I can't, for various reasons, ---but I'm with you all in spirit, --and I wish the Campaign good luck.:cheers:

Exactly, and hopefully the web site revamped next week will keep everyone more informed.

Thats a good point regarding the Web Site, ---a regular update would be most welcome.

Fair enough marra but I was meaning YorkshireMackem though if he does not live in Wearside it may be harder for him.

Thats a good point regarding the Web Site, ---a regular update would be most welcome.
SCARF have recognised this and have sought IT help.

Fair enough marra but I was meaning YorkshireMackem though if he does not live in Wearside it may be harder for him.

Ah,! --understand, --Ive just read his post, ---be good if the Lad can help. cheers.

Hopefully they could put links to this site and the SMB one on the offical Adelaide site.

Hopefully they could put links to this site and the SMB one on the offical Adelaide site.


Thats a excellent idea kb, --nice one.

Fair enough marra but I was meaning YorkshireMackem though if he does not live in Wearside it may be harder for him.

It may be harder for me but I am back home every couple of weeks (for home games mainly!:cheers:). So with any luck, such meetings may coincide with my visits.

As I say, I don't know how I can help but what I can say is that my CEO down here used to work for a large public sector organisation in the NE and has a lot of contacts in the NE, so I may be able to enlist his help with any luck. Can't promise anything though, unfortunately.

Will contact Peter today.

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I'm sure the Campaign group would welcome your help mate, --especially with your possible contacts, --good on yer mate, --and good luck.:cheers:

It may be harder for me but I am back home every couple of weeks (for home games mainly!:cheers:). So with any luck, such meetings may coincide with my visits.

As I say, I don't know how I can help but what I can say is that my CEO down here used to work for a large public sector organisation in the NE and has a lot of contacts in the NE, so I may be able to enlist his help with any luck. Can't promise anything though, unfortunately.

Will contact Peter today.
I'm sure Peter will appreciate that. They are looking to mt. on Thursdays and Sundays in Doyles, Deptford.

Thats a excellent idea kb, --nice one.

Cheers, lets hope the website is sorted this time next week.

^^I agree I think it is a good idea, and they are doing a great job.

Big mt in Edinburgh about the Adelaide tomorrow.


Is there any news of the outcome from the meeting?

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I would hope they make an announcement sometime this week regarding their meeting.

It may be harder for me but I am back home every couple of weeks (for home games mainly!:cheers:). So with any luck, such meetings may coincide with my visits.

As I say, I don't know how I can help but what I can say is that my CEO down here used to work for a large public sector organisation in the NE and has a lot of contacts in the NE, so I may be able to enlist his help with any luck. Can't promise anything though, unfortunately.

Will contact Peter today.

Did you manage to contact Peter marra ?

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I would hope they make an announcement sometime this week regarding their meeting.

Still no further news but if I hear anything fresh I will post it on here.

Still no further news but if I hear anything fresh I will post it on here.


Thanks kb, ---really hope this time there will be good news.

Did you manage to contact Peter marra ?

I have sent an email today mate, hopefully I can help out in some way!:cheers:

I have sent an email today mate, hopefully I can help out in some way!:cheers:


Good stuff you will have to let the board know how things go.

I have sent an email today mate, hopefully I can help out in some way!:cheers:

Keep us updated mate.:cheers:

The Adelaide SCARF group have a facebook site http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid-255907220167

The - should be the equals sign but I can't find it on the keyboard !

The Adelaide SCARF group have a facebook site http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid-255907220167

The - should be the equals sign but I can't find it on the keyboard !


Thanks for that kb, ---will have a look on, :cheers:

Doxford Friends Association on board now.

Doxford Friends Association on board now.


Thats good to here, --the more groups/people to support the better:cheers:

Is there any news or updates of meetings or any progress, ----I thought there might have been something announced from last weeks meeting? thanks.

Is there any news or updates of meetings or any progress, ----I thought there might have been something announced from last weeks meeting? thanks.

No fresh news at pesent. From what I can gather that mt. was just routine.

No fresh news at pesent. From what I can gather that mt. was just routine.

Okay marra, ---seems as though things have gone a bit quite of late, ---keep us informed of any news, cheers.

Thats good to here, --the more groups/people to support the better:cheers:


Exactly right marra. The more the merrier.

Okay marra, ---seems as though things have gone a bit quite of late, ---keep us informed of any news, cheers.

Gone very quiet on this I will have to pop down to Doyles and see if I can get any fresh news.

Just seen this in the Echo, ----the Australian group are to meet the Scottish Government, ------SCARF will have to get their skates on, --


Oz team in talks to claim the The City of Adelaide at her berth in Scotland.

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21 January 2010
By Ross Robertson
A group of Australians intent on recovering Wearside's historic clipper ship have met for talks with the Scottish Government.
Maritime heritage campaigners in Sunderland are fighting to save the Wear-built City of Adelaide from destruction and bring her back home – but they face a rival high-profile bid from down under.

The Australian team want to take the Adelaide back to her namesake city, and yesterday they met Scottish Culture Minister Fiona Hyslop to try to secure the vessel.

Peter Roberts, director of Clipper Ship City of Adelaide, is in the UK for a two-week round of negotiations which he hopes will end in success.

Mr Roberts said: "Of all the ships to have brought immigrants to Australia, back to Captain Cook's time and through the convict period, the only remaining sailing ship is the City of Adelaide. She's the last of the dinosaurs.

"It's South Australia's 175th birthday next year, and this makes a tremendous opportunity to recognise not only the links between South Australia and Scotland – 26 per cent of place names in the state come from Scotland – but it respects the large Scottish community in South Australia as well."

But Peter Maddison, chairman of the Sunderland City of Adelaide Foundation (Scarf), is adamant that the Adelaide be returned to Wearside instead.

"No doubt the Australians expect to success in this 11th-hour, but I remain confident that the Sunderland bid is the strongest," he said.

Mr Maddison added that there must be "fair play" and Scarf should be given the same audience with the Scottish Government as the Australians.

He has invited Mr Roberts' team down to Sunderland to discuss the future of the Adelaide and hopes they will take up the offer.

Both teams have just two months to save the Adelaide. The ship is owned by the Scottish Maritime Museum and trustees say they can no longer afford to keep the ship, funds to restore here have dried up and the owner of the Adelaide's rented slipway wants its land back.

They are planning to deconstruct the ship and have already started the tendering process.

Diary records of emigrant passengers

The Australian Adelaide group has collected diaries of Scots emigrants who travelled down under on the ship in its early days.

Among them is that of James Anderson McLauchlan, who set out in 1874, leaving his home in Dundee at the age of 21.

In one typical entry, he records the hardships of life on board: "A birth and a death both in the same hour … bereaved parents were Irish, the child about nine months old, died about half past one …

"At 11, the bell tolled for its burial, the body having been sewed up in sailcloth and loaded at the feet was placed upon a board projecting over the ship's side. It was then covered over by the Union Jack.

"The captain read the sea burial service in the middle of which at a given signal it was consigned to the deep. A feeling of awe spread over us all."

Another passenger, Melville Miller, left Dumfries with his wife in 1871, aged 30.

In his surviving diary fragments, he records the "bustle and excitement" of the passage – but also the discomfort the voyagers encountered.

He wrote: "78 degrees in shade. I do not know how I am to exist in Australia, when the heat is often over 100 degrees.

"We find the bath a great comfort. I have a plunge every forenoon – the water is salty, which, I think, must be healthful."

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Speaking to Graeme Anderson and Ian Laws on the train down to the match yesterday and they were both pro Adelaide, particuarly Graeme.

Speaking to Graeme Anderson and Ian Laws on the train down to the match yesterday and they were both pro Adelaide, particuarly Graeme.


That's good to know, ---did they say if the Echo are willing to campaign for the Adelaide?

That's good to know, ---did they say if the Echo are willing to campaign for the Adelaide?

They did not mention a campaigh but Graeme said bringing the Adelaide back could act as a catalyst for developments on the Wear.

They did not mention a campaigh but Graeme said bringing the Adelaide back could act as a catalyst for developments on the Wear.

Yeah, ---I think we would all echo that view, (excuse the pun):lol:

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Anyone heard anything --or the outcome of the Australian groups meeting with the Scottish Parliament ?thanks

There's not been much progress reported, ---or news lately from the campaign group, ---the only news is of the Australians effort, ----lets hope we here good news this week, --something encouraging eh".:)

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Anyone heard anything --or the outcome of the Australian groups meeting with the Scottish Parliament ?thanks

The worrying thing about the Oz bid is that they have got large poltical backing with two local mayors getting behind their campaign.

Just heard a depressing rumour that the Australian bid has been accepted.

The worrying thing about the Oz bid is that they have got large poltical backing with two local mayors getting behind their campaign.



Yes, --this is particularly galling to think their campaign is being politically backed , --and yet ours is being fought by local volunteers, ---people who are proud of their Heritage and yet they have no help from the Council, --or the Government, --indeed, --it seems to me, --that there are obstacles being deliberately place in the way of SCARF. :ohno:

Just heard a depressing rumour that the Australian bid has been accepted.


I hope this rumour is false, will be gutted if true like.:ohno:

I hope this rumour is false, will be gutted if true like.:ohno:

Likewise, it would be a real sickner.

Yes, --this is particularly galling to think their campaign is being politically backed , --and yet ours is being fought by local volunteers, ---people who are proud of their Heritage and yet they have no help from the Council, --or the Government, --indeed, --it seems to me, --that there are obstacles being deliberately place in the way of SCARF. :ohno:


Couldn't agree more where Sunderland city council have made a few positive noises, more should have been done.

A joint campaign from the council and the Echo could have made all the difference.

Likewise, it would be a real sickner.

I have also heard something similar, and it doesn't sound good.

Sounds like this story may have originated from an Echo reporter; however, nothing is on the Echo website as far as I can see so maybe it was a false alarm. Let's hope so.

I, for one, will be devastated if it is true.

Couldn't agree more where Sunderland city council have made a few positive noises, more should have been done.

A joint campaign from the council and the Echo could have made all the difference.


Yes, --I think if this doesn't happen, -- then I reckon they will go down in many peoples estimation

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Yeah, ---I've been trying to find any substance to this, --gladly I can't find anything, ----I'll be very happy if it's no more than a wicked rumours.

Just heard from a member of SCARF that this rumour is nonsense.

A member of SCARF has informed me that the Oz bid is still lacking the required finance.

Just heard from a member of SCARF that this rumour is nonsense.


That's great news marra, ---don't suppose he give you any news of any kind progress?

A member of SCARF has informed me that the Oz bid is still lacking the required finance.


It's going to cost SCARF quite a sum of money to bring the Adelaide home from Scotland, --- ---but it will cost a small fortune to transport the Adelaide
to Australia, ---so, ---we still have hope, --and keep the faith.

That's great news marra, ---don't suppose he give you any news of any kind progress?

Nothing concrete just to say that Peter Maddison remains confident as ever.

Nothing concrete just to say that Peter Maddison remains confident as ever.

Ok marra, --they seem upbeat, --keep us informed eh!, --cheers:cheers:

from "The Advertiser" our Adelaide daily paper

'New hope for City of Adelaide'

THE historic ship City of Adelaide - facing demolition in Scotland - could be saved and in Port Adelaide within 12 months.

The new hope for the ship's restoration follows a successful pitch by two members of the City of Adelaide Preservation Trust in Scotland over the past week.

Naval architect Peter Roberts and lobbyist Tom Chapman have spoken with maritime specialists, business people and government authorities.

"The highlight was our meeting with Fiona Hyslop, the Scottish Government Minister of Culture," Mr Roberts said in an email yesterday.

The pair, from Adelaide, showed technical plans to move the ship to Port Adelaide, told of the support the trust has, including considerable materials donated for the exercise, and made much of the heritage links between Scotland and South Australia.

"We made real progress," Mr Roberts said.

Fellow trust director Peter Christopher said in Adelaide yesterday there was now greater confidence the ship could be saved and brought to Port Adelaide for display.

"Our solution has been seen as viable . . . and there is massive support from the maritime construction industry in Adelaide," Mr Christopher said.

The trust has made a planning application to North Ayrshire Council this week to move the ship, which is under a "destruction order" at Irvine, Scotland..

Mr Christopher said a council decision was anticipated in April. If positive, preparatory work would be done, including building a cradle under the ship, which would then be jacked up for wheels to be put under so the 1864-built clipper could be moved on a ramp on to a barge.

"Huge amounts" of materials, including steel, had been donated in Adelaide and would be shipped to Irvine for that work.

The single biggest obstacle was the cost of up to $1 million for the ship to be transported to Adelaide.

"Yes, it could be here in 12 months, but it's not a fait accompli," Mr Christopher said.


however dont believe anything you read in this junk paper of ours

from "The Advertiser" our Adelaide daily paper

'New hope for City of Adelaide'



however dont believe anything you read in this junk paper of ours

Quite.

Hopefully SCARF will be putting their bid in soon.

Quite.

Yeah the Australian press seem to be putting a lot of positive spin on their bid despite the fact that they still have a long way to go before they secure the backing that they need.

I think the message at the moment is 'don't panic' and also believe everything you read in the press, either here or in Australia.

In the article posted by --eastadl, ---the Australian campaigners comment that, ----"the single biggest obstacle is the $1million cost, ---suggests they have dismissed the SCARF campaign, ----well, --theres being confident, --and theres being arrogant, ----we will see.

Hopefully SCARF will be putting their bid in soon.


Well I hope so kb, ---I don't like whats coming out of the oz camp. ----don't know if it's hot air, --or if they have been given encouragement from the Scotts?

In the article posted by --eastadl, ---the Australian campaigners comment that, ----"the single biggest obstacle is the $1million cost, ---suggests they have dismissed the SCARF campaign, ----well, --theres being confident, --and theres being arrogant, ----we will see.

Yeah I think they are being a bit cocky at the moment.

Let's not forget that their costs include moving the vessel to Australia, whereas our costs involve moving it around the British Isles.

They are using the press to put a very positive (and misleading) spin on their attempts to take the ship to Port Adelaide.

I wouldn't read too much into these press reports from Australia, or the Echo for that matter.

Yeah I think they are being a bit cocky at the moment.

Let's not forget that their costs include moving the vessel to Australia, whereas our costs involve moving it around the British Isles.

They are using the press to put a very positive (and misleading) spin on their attempts to take the ship to Port Adelaide.

I wouldn't read too much into these press reports from Australia, or the Echo for that matter.


Yep your right, ---I sussed their game, ---anyway, hopefully SCARF can come up with some proposals for bringing the Clipper home, --and lets hope it's soon.

Is there any further progress on securing a site for the vessel along the Wear? It seems to me that this, along with the initial funding for its transportation, is the most important factor in getting the Adelaide back home. It needn't necessarily be somewhere prominent like Austin's Pontoon - somewhere out of the way like the South Docks would probably be more appropriate for the restoration work to take place. Once it's back I think the funds to restore it will come rolling in.

Well I hope so kb, ---I don't like whats coming out of the oz camp. ----don't know if it's hot air, --or if they have been given encouragement from the Scotts?


Not sure, but from what I have heard it will cost the Aussies £2 mill in diesel and then theres a real danger of her sinking travelling such a long way.

Is there any further progress on securing a site for the vessel along the Wear? It seems to me that this, along with the initial funding for its transportation, is the most important factor in getting the Adelaide back home. It needn't necessarily be somewhere prominent like Austin's Pontoon - somewhere out of the way like the South Docks would probably be more appropriate for the restoration work to take place. Once it's back I think the funds to restore it will come rolling in.


Austins Pontoon has been mentioned regularly as a Berth , ----and I agree this would be a great permanent location, ---but I do think another area/berth might be better to restore the ship, ----but there has not been anything concrete from the Council, --despite them saying they will provide a Berth.

Any more meetings planned, ---or any updates?

The deadline for breaking up the ship has been extended to early April.

Any more meetings planned, ---or any updates?

Hopefully the SCARF bid should be going in in the next ten days.

The deadline for breaking up the ship has been extended to early April.


Thats good, ---gives the group a little more time I suppose.

Hopefully the SCARF bid should be going in in the next ten days.

Good, ---lets hope the bid is viable enough for the Scottish Heritage to release the Adelaide.--everything crossed for this.:cheers:

Thats good, ---gives the group a little more time I suppose.

Exactly the more time the better.