This was posted to the Projects Thread by johnnypd on April 13th 2007.

I have no further details, but as far as I am aware it is still a 'live' project.

CURRENT VIEW
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/throwaway/officenew.jpg

PROPOSED
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/throwaway/officenew2.jpg

Certainly an improvement, does anyone know the latest position?

construction has not yet started on this one.

Thats looks like quite a good small building, certainly better than what is on that site now! Lets hope they get underway with that soon!

Thats looks like quite a good small building, certainly better than what is on that site now! Lets hope they get underway with that soon!

Its being marketed under the moniker 'St James Point' if you want to change the title...not that its any closer to construction mind!

It says on the website for the developers of this scheme that construction was due to begin summer 2008, so i guess plans have been disrupted by recession.

as a side note: the developers of this site, Circlered, also own Autotrader house and, after the current 5 year lease runs out, intend to develop it as a "high density mixed use scheme".

This pushes the "anything's better than what's there at present" argument to it's limit, doesn't it? I don't like the way the stairwell dominates the building by being on the corner, and the large brick panels either side with the single window in the centre just look awful. Still, it's hard to argue that it's not better than a derelict building and a substation. I wonder if they're planning on reclaiming the red bricks from the present building.

It's replacing a pretty balnd and pointless little extension admittedly, but the new building just looks a bit like a dressed-up car park to me...

Agree. Its rubbish.

I disagree, in my opinion it's a perfectly reasonable looking bit of infill development. My only real worry is that wall curving out to the left to create a terrace at first floor level, I don't think that will result in a very nice stretch of pavement on that corner.

I disagree, in my opinion it's a perfectly reasonable looking bit of infill development. My only real worry is that wall curving out to the left to create a terrace at first floor level, I don't think that will result in a very nice stretch of pavement on that corner.

i think that is to hide the sub-station on site atm.

^^^ Yeah I agree, the only reasoinable explanation for the unusual footprint. I think the service-type doors into this ground floor area look like the type on substations too.

Ah yes, that certainly explains it. In that case if the sub station has to stay then it's much better than what's there now.

It still hardly explains why the upper floors are as they are.

This is a long abandoned warehouse site on the corner of St James Street and Strawberry Place.

http://www.entertainment-newcastle.com/images/stjamesplace.jpg


NB - This is a COPY of a post on the "Abandoned Buildings & Gap Sites" thread.

it was an electricity sub station until recently which ruled out development.

This was one of our early 'Project Threads' on this sub-forum, but nothing has happened for a long time!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/throwaway/officenew.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/throwaway/officenew2.jpg

Here is the project thread, still with the old name . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=981880

I really hope this is never built. It's absolutely awful.

There were some recent posts about this project made on the "Abandoned Buildings and Gap Sites" thread (see posts 14 to 16 above) so I have copied them into this 'Project Thread' for reference.

No real news about this dormant project though, it seems.

To me it's not offensive, it's made of similar materials as buildings around it, but tries to make the most out of the use of glass. The only real bad thing I can see on that building is the floor panel and just below them look to be cheap plastic clading where some sort of brick pattern could be used instead.

I have to say though that I am a huge fan of the wine bar that has been build in the past couple of years opposite Barker and Stonehouse, where their used to be a very small car park.

I think you're referring to Soho, Chris.

I think you're referring to Soho, Chris.Yeah I think thats it's name, it's nothing special but looks great, also the last time I was around there they were letting out Student rooms above it, god I wish I had a job to be able to afford something like that.

An application to renew planning permission has been submitted for this proposed development.

http://planningapplications.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=L2EP3HBS05200

It seems like this site is up for sale...

http://www.propertymall.com/property/33683

Hopefully it'll result in something less awful being built...

A Planning Application has been made for the demolition of 4 Strawberry Place and the build:

1. residential accommodation for 32 students in two, three and four-bedroomed flats,
2. a cafe bar/restaurant at ground and first floor levels
3. rehousing of the electrical substation transformers currently standing in the open adjacent The Strawberry pub.

Link : http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage

2011/0860/01/CAC | Conservation Area Consent: Demolition of unlisted building | Strawberry House 4 Strawberry Place Newcastle upon Tyne

From the Design and Access Document :

The site is located at the junction of Strawberry Place & St James’ Street and has an area of approximately 0.06ha. It contains a brick-built, disused former sub-station building and is within the Leazes Conservation Area, to the north west of Newcastle city centre.

The site is bounded by St James’ Street to the south west, Strawberry Place to the south and the back lane serving the rear of St James’ Street to the east. The northern boundary is defined by the four storey brick-built gable end wall of Albion Buildings. Therefore, it has dual aspect to the south and the southwest.

These are the before and proposed views of the building, courtesy of the Developer:

http://www.fototime.com/A2E1E3E1667E740/orig.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/82E1B2C58D602AA/orig.jpg

Looks better than the previous proposal for that site. Can't wait for 'contemporary restaurant/bar' to open, we need one of those here. :)

That actually looks quite nice.

Looks better than the previous proposal for that site.

Previous proposal (see Post 1) . . .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/throwaway/officenew2.jpg

Previous proposal (see Post 1) . . .


Sorry NH, hadn't realised it had been discussed before, the latest proposal certainly looks more pleasing to the eye than the original one :)

That looks lovely and keeps in with it's surroundings.

That's a huge improvement over the original, except for the small section behind the balcony on the top right. Why couldn't they use the same re-claimed bricks for that section? The ground floor restaurant is definitely a welcome improvement though.

Very, very nice; massive improvement.

Waaaay better. I don't think it's stunning, but it's a massive improvement. Bit of a relief!

There is a restaurant and bar in the development. Wouldn't think the view would be anything to write home about over the road to the derelict land / car park! Recently Soho bar opened just along the road. Too many bars in town? I think the focus for development should be down the Quayside which needs to be revived.

There is a restaurant and bar in the development. Wouldn't think the view would be anything to write home about over the road to the derelict land / car park! Recently Soho bar opened just along the road. Too many bars in town? I think the focus for development should be down the Quayside which needs to be revived.

There aren't that many pubs in that corner of town and Soho is quite a nice bar. not everyone wants to trail down to the river. Besides bars and restaurants round there will cater for people working in the Gallowgate offices (new and projected) and the Science City area.

There aren't that many pubs in that corner of town and Soho is quite a nice bar. not everyone wants to trail down to the river. Besides bars and restaurants round there will cater for people working in the Gallowgate offices (new and projected) and the Science City area.

What about Shearers, The Strawberry, Soho, The Trent House and not forgetting the CIU club!
I think the Quayside has certainly suffered from 'uptown' developments. Plenty of bars down there are sitting empty or operating well below capacity and that area is our main tourist area. Would love to see an actual plan for bringing it back to life. Anyway, back to the thread...the building St James' Point does look ok.

That's not that many for an up-and-coming area. Surely its better to have pubs and restaurants spread across the city centre, rather than concentrated in one or two areas which will rapidly become (if they haven't already) 'trough'n'swill' ghettos, leaving other quarters utterly sterile after 5pm?

A Planning Application has been made for the demolition of 4 Strawberry Place and the build:

1. residential accommodation for 32 students in two, three and four-bedroomed flats,
2. a cafe bar/restaurant at ground and first floor levels
3. rehousing of the electrical substation transformers currently standing in the open adjacent The Strawberry pub.

Link : http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage

2011/0860/01/CAC | Conservation Area Consent: Demolition of unlisted building | Strawberry House 4 Strawberry Place Newcastle upon Tyne



According to last night's Newcastle Evening Chronicle this development has been given approval by NCC - this article courtesy of NCJMedia Ltd:

http://www.fototime.com/8D6966629FEFC4A/orig.jpg

More student flats!

I was wondering whether NCC Planning ever refuse permissions these days?

Are they just happy to have any investment no matter what the look of the thing?

More student flats!

I was wondering whether NCC Planning ever refuse permissions these days?

Are they just happy to have any investment no matter what the look of the thing?

Pretty much.

Thought it would be a good idea to add to the thread with these details for the Planning Committee meeting of 22nd December 2012:

2011/0896/01/DET and 2011/0860/01/CAC - Site of NEDL Electricity Sub-Station, Strawberry Place, Newcastle upon Tyne

J Rippon introduced the report which considered two planning applications to redevelop an NEDL sub station building on the eastern corner of St James Street and Strawberry Place.

The Conservation Area application was for the demolition of the existing building (which was unlisted but lay within the Leazes Conservation Area). The planning application was for erection a 7 storey student residential building on the corner of Strawberry Place and St James Street site with 350.8 square metres of commercial uses (Classes A3 and A4) at ground and first floor level. The proposed development comprised 32 student bedrooms in 13 self contained student flats and was a replacement scheme to the consented office development for this site which was granted planning permission in June 2007.

J Rippon illustrated the proposals with the aid of plans and computer graphics.
Members had recently visited the area. He went on to outline the concerns expressed in the 3 responses received following the consultation.

Questions/Comments
• In response to a query regarding the Barker & Stonehouse claim to the possessory title to the rear lane, J Rippon explained that the applicant had submitted title information to demonstrate that they owned one half of the area in question. Therefore conditions could be applied to ensure this area was retained clear. The issue of possessory title was not something the local planning authority could comment upon.

• A member asked for more information on the arrangements for refuse disposal.
J Rippon explained the design of the kitchen area and the cellars. There was a 1,100 metre bin storage area and a roller shutter door so that the disposal area was not visible. He explained the access arrangements for refuse collection vehicles.

• J Rippon referred to the previous consent for a five storey office building approved
for this site, and explained that the new proposal was from the same applicant.

RESOLVED that

1. Planning Committee was minded to grant planning permission for application
2011/0896/01/DET subject to the following:

a) The applicant entering into a legal agreement to secure:
- City Centre Accessibility Contribution of £6880 and Class C3/C4 to
be occupied for student accommodation; and
- An open space contribution of £4800.

(b) And conditions covering the following matters:-
- Sample Materials;
- List of approved drawings;
- Large scale details of elevations including active frontages,
windows, terrace railings and the access gate to the terrace, and
location of materials;
- Cycle parking to be provided before first occupation;
- Notwithstanding the submitted details, details of service and refuse storage and a
refuse storage management plan, with refuse storage being provided before first use;
- No external storage of refuse, and no refuse stored on highway;
- Refuse (glass and bottles) collection and deliveries between 0800 and 2230 only;
- Sound insulation to residential use against externally generated noise to achieve internal bedroom levels of 30dB(A) and 35 dB(A) in living rooms;
- Sound insulation for A3/A4 use of the ground and first floors to be implemented as set out in Design and Access Statement;
- Details of means of limiting sound reproduction in the A3/A4 use;
- Archaeological watching brief and report;
- Details external lighting and CCTV and implement before first use;
- Details of plant/noise generation levels;
- Extraction details for Class A4/A3 use to implemented according to approved plans prior to first use;
- Construction method Statement;
- self closing doors and non openable windows to Class A3/A4 uses;
- opening hours for the bar/restaurant 1000 to 0200 Monday to Saturday and 1000 to 0000 Sundays and Public Holidays, and for the external terrace 080000 to 2300 hours Monday to Saturday and 1000 to 2200 Sundays and Public Holidays.

2. The Planning Committee agreed to grant conservation area consent 2011/0860/01/CAC subject to the following condition:
- no demolition prior to letting the contract for the new development

Source: http://democracy.newcastle.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=858&MId=3417&Ver=4

That's not that many for an up-and-coming area. Surely its better to have pubs and restaurants spread across the city centre, rather than concentrated in one or two areas which will rapidly become (if they haven't already) 'trough'n'swill' ghettos, leaving other quarters utterly sterile after 5pm?

I think the the pubs are quite good, the Trent House is distinctive and most of the other bars serve a market which doesn't attract the Bigg Market crowd.

^^

Notwithstanding the submitted details, details of service and refuse storage and a
refuse storage management plan, with refuse storage being provided before first use;
- No external storage of refuse, and no refuse stored on highway;

Detail from planning above.

Interesting they seem to have a strict refuse storage plan.

Walking through town yesterday there are numerous examples of refuse bins strewn all over which looks terrible i.e. the top of the Bigg Market with about ten bins.

NCC could also have a policy to clear all this clutter off our streets?

I may be wrong but if there are any windows on the facade facing the existing red brick building behind, building regulations would state that the windows on that facade would not be allowed to be openable because of the proximatey to the exisiting chimneys and flue gas emmisions (sorry I havent checked the elevations - couldnt access the planning portal link). Would be interesting to see if architect has allowed for openable windows on that side.

Interesting they seem to have a strict refuse storage plan.

Walking through town yesterday there are numerous examples of refuse bins strewn all over which looks terrible i.e. the top of the Bigg Market with about ten bins.


You can obviously have conditions such as this when a new building is approved, but you can't impose planning conditions on an existing building.

This is something which NE1 (BID Company) may be interested in.

This on NCC Planning Portal 12/12/12 as " Granted Conditionally":-

2011/0896/01/DET

Demolition of disused electrical substation and construction of seven storey building incorporating new substation and bar/restaurant (Class A3/A4) on ground and first floor and five storeys above of student residential accommodation comprising 32 bedrooms in 13 flats (class C3/C4) as amended by plans received 16 and 18 November and 5 and 7 December 2011 and supplemented by e mails received 30/8/11, 31/8/11 and 6/9/11 and photo images received 1/12/11 and 5/12/11

Site Of NEDL Electricity Sub-Station Strawberry Place Newcastle upon Tyne

http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LMPSONBSAP000

KEN

This on NCC Planning Portal 12/12/12 as " Granted Conditionally":-

2011/0896/01/DET

Demolition of disused electrical substation and construction of seven storey building incorporating new substation and bar/restaurant (Class A3/A4) on ground and first floor and five storeys above of student residential accommodation comprising 32 bedrooms in 13 flats (class C3/C4) as amended by plans received 16 and 18 November and 5 and 7 December 2011 and supplemented by e mails received 30/8/11, 31/8/11 and 6/9/11 and photo images received 1/12/11 and 5/12/11

Site Of NEDL Electricity Sub-Station Strawberry Place Newcastle upon Tyne

http://publicaccess.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LMPSONBSAP000

KEN


Although the above planning application is marked "Strawberry Place" it does not actually refer to the "Strawberry Place Office Project" (now dormant) which is on a separate thread.

It relates to THIS project, the "St James' Point" Project!

Hopefully this will mean there will be some action on this site soon.

More student accommodation in an area close to what I say is becoming a student village, hopefully it will help attract some further investment.