It seems every new stadium these days has red seats! Very impressive though - the place looks huge

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71021014.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D0E35C33BC55B3430A

Thats Massive :eek2:

wow it is looking seriously big!

It's huge. I can't believe it is only 90000 seats!! What a waste!! It should be 120000!! Why did they leave massive gaps between the rows of seats??? What a waste!

90,000 was all that was allowed, because that's how much the transport links to Wembley can handle.

Right sorted f*ck off.

Doesn’t change the fact that the capacity is disappointingly small for such a huge stadium…….and I suspect you are talking bollocks anyway!! If you are not talking bollocks, then they should have made the gaps in the rows smaller and reduced the bulk of the stadium rows, thus you would still have a 90000 capacity and all the executive stuff, but the fans would be nearer each other making a more intimate/passionate atmosphere. Massive gaps between rows is a total waste no matter what the situation. It’s not as if the stadium will be full of Americans, so the huge gaps between rows are pointless!!

There is no need for such a bulky stadium interior if it is not going to be full of seats.

Doesn’t change the fact that the capacity is disappointingly small for such a huge stadium…….and I suspect you are talking bollocks anyway!! If you are not talking bollocks, then they should have made the gaps in the rows smaller and reduced the bulk of the stadium rows, thus you would still have a 90000 capacity and all the executive stuff, but the fans would be nearer each other making a more intimate/passionate atmosphere. Massive gaps between rows is a total waste no matter what the situation. It’s not as if the stadium will be full of Americans, so the huge gaps between rows are pointless!!

There is no need for such a bulky stadium interior if it is not going to be full of seats.
I'm not sure. When I go to games an empty seat beside me is a god send, it enhances my enjoyment of the game 10 fold. Nothing worse than being stuck next to 2 fat guys and having your knees up to you chin.

I think Wembley should get away with the increased leg room because there is no track and very small gap between the pitch and the first rows of seats, hence the back rows, although far away, will not be as far away as they would be in a ground with a track. The extra space then should increase spectator enjoyment of the match.

I'm not sure. When I go to games an empty seat beside me is a god send, it enhances my enjoyment of the game 10 fold. Nothing worse than being stuck next to 2 fat guys and having your knees up to you chin.

I think Wembley should get away with the increased leg room because there is no track and very small gap between the pitch and the first rows of seats, hence the back rows, although far away, will not be as far away as they would be in a ground with a track. The extra space then should increase spectator enjoyment of the match.

exactly

but the gaps in rows are so big that it looks like it's been designed for Americans to walk along the rows. It's good to have legroom, but they have overdone it at the new Wembley. You could play table-tennis in the gaps between the rows.

GOD DAMN thats way too much leg room. doesnt look that big

NOT BIG, what you smoking? thats enormous!

Doesn’t change the fact that the capacity is disappointingly small for such a huge stadium…….and I suspect you are talking bollocks anyway!! If you are not talking bollocks, then they should have made the gaps in the rows smaller and reduced the bulk of the stadium rows, thus you would still have a 90000 capacity and all the executive stuff, but the fans would be nearer each other making a more intimate/passionate atmosphere. Massive gaps between rows is a total waste no matter what the situation. It’s not as if the stadium will be full of Americans, so the huge gaps between rows are pointless!!

There is no need for such a bulky stadium interior if it is not going to be full of seats.

it has been built this way so that capacity may be increased to around 110k in the future,if it can be proved that the transport infrastructure can handle the extra capacity,or if transport is improved

NOT BIG, what you smoking? thats enormous!

don't waste your breath Durbs,if it isn't in WA,he ain't interested

Steve Mac inspecting his new fortress
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5537/41678818mcclarengetty0cz.jpg

Sven wishing it were his fortress
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5346/41678870svenap1yp.jpg

Ah no, what the hell is that idiot doing, give the ball to someone else
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C'mon Stevie have a crack from there, I'm sure he'll be scoring often here
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5090/41678942gerrardap7lh.jpg

Doesn’t change the fact that the capacity is disappointingly small for such a huge stadium…….and I suspect you are talking bollocks anyway!! If you are not talking bollocks, then they should have made the gaps in the rows smaller and reduced the bulk of the stadium rows, thus you would still have a 90000 capacity and all the executive stuff, but the fans would be nearer each other making a more intimate/passionate atmosphere. Massive gaps between rows is a total waste no matter what the situation. It’s not as if the stadium will be full of Americans, so the huge gaps between rows are pointless!!

There is no need for such a bulky stadium interior if it is not going to be full of seats.


Can anybody tell me where exactly seat capacity has been wasted?
I dont know really what you are all talking about.
Personally I think that the video-screen wastes a lot of potential seats as its being mounted right in the middle of the third tier.

But then again stuff like that happens everywhere.
The Allianz Arena could also be boosted up to ~74k.
But there are safety regulations in the way.

Steve Mac inspecting his new fortress
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5537/41678818mcclarengetty0cz.jpg

And a fortress it will be! Playing at grounds like Old Trafford is great and all, but they have been swapping England matches around the country the last few years and there hasn't been that sense of home or stability that comes from having a national stadium for every international game. The Old Wembley, while being a great stadium full of history and memory, was getting very dated, and the sense of pride and honour of playing there that inspired every Englishman was getting a bit less through the latter years, as better stadiums were popping up everywhere. So finally, English football will have a new home, a whopping 90,000, brand spanking new cathedral of a home....the vatican of football! If there is anything that can truly inspire English victories, it will be playing at New Wembley, in front of 90,000 people, th vast majority of whom are home fans.

:cheers:

I'm not sure. When I go to games an empty seat beside me is a god send, it enhances my enjoyment of the game 10 fold. Nothing worse than being stuck next to 2 fat guys and having your knees up to you chin.

I think Wembley should get away with the increased leg room because there is no track and very small gap between the pitch and the first rows of seats, hence the back rows, although far away, will not be as far away as they would be in a ground with a track. The extra space then should increase spectator enjoyment of the match.

The furtherest seat from the pitch will actually be closer than both the old Wembley and the Stade De France. Actually looking at the seats I really don't see the gaps between rows being that big, they look about the same size as the likes of the Allianz Arena to me. If the ability to add in extra seats has indeed been built in(we've really only had hints up until now) I doubt it would come from reducing that space either as you'd have to replace the entire stand floor, much more likely it would be from filling empty rows and reducing the size of isles.

If transport links were improved and the capacity was increased..where in the stadium would the expansion take place?

the seats will be brought more closer together which leave more space for more seats, structurally the stadium itself wouldn't be changed

I don't believe this story about capacity expansion for a moment. Quote a credible source if you can. People are going to carry on getting fatter and expectations of comfort will rise.

I doubt that they would increase any time in the near future, but they have left the option to do so if they want

I doubt that they would increase any time in the near future, but they have left the option to do so if they want


Any chance of a link or something to back this up?

Any chance of a link or something to back this up?

The main hints I remember reading were on the offical site that seat temp seats could be added in athletics mode to get the 68,000 capacity and a link to a newpaper artictle I found a few months back(buried somewhere earlier in this thread I believe if anyone wants to find it). As I said though if true I don't think it would be a case of major rebuilding but rather playing around with the seating arrangement(moving them closer together, decreasing isle width or filling empty spots) much like the AA is planning to do.

i may of missed something here, but what are the 2 gaps in seating for on the 1st tier, south and west ends??

see last picture (http://www.multiplexcapital.biz/uploads/filelibrary/Wembley%20Project%20Images.pdf)

i may of missed something here, but what are the 2 gaps in seating for on the 1st tier, south and west ends??

see last picture (http://www.multiplexcapital.biz/uploads/filelibrary/Wembley%20Project%20Images.pdf)

im not sure what you are refering to?is it the access tunnels that have to allow emergency vehicles to access the pitch or at the ends of the west and east tiers which are to do with the removable seating (should wembley ever need to be used for athletics). That picture is quite old, some gaps reamain for a place for the cranes to go when moving materials to the higher tiers. thats all i can think of in words of gaps.

Those gaps are where the stages will go for music concerts, they will be filled in with seats after Multiplex hands over the stadium.

from wembleystadium.com:

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aah right! removeable seating.

this is certainly going to be like no other stadium looking at the finishings inside. i spose this is the advantage of having so much corporate seating.

if i was overly critical the only thing im not to keen on is the trusses on the underside of the roof. but then again it isnt finished

There is no where else to put the trusses but there.

yea i know. i just think it would look a bit neater if it was boxed in, abit like that stadium in turkey. aturk stadium or something. its prity expensive thing to do though i guess.

dont forget i said overly critical

yea i know. i just think it would look a bit neater if it was boxed in, abit like that stadium in turkey. aturk stadium or something. its prity expensive thing to do though i guess.

dont forget i said overly critical
Cost shouldn't be an issue in a stadium costing the best part of a billion quid.

what a stupid comment.

ill give u some advise, think from both points of view instead of repeating what youve read in the paper.

1 minute people moan about a stadium not being unique (i.e. emirates thread), the next they r saying its too expensive (i.e. wembley).

i think its fairly evident that a huge sum of money has been spent on the internal decoration, and a huge amount has been spent on the arch. 1 thing u can be sure of is that there arnt many other places that will make a stadium of this quality. in fact its most likely multiplex underquoted and thats how they got the contract.

btw there is no profit in having a flat roof.

lets not start on the cost, its been done to DEATH. nearly half of it was for buying the land and other stuff

so just leave it

what a stupid comment.

ill give u some advise, think from both points of view instead of repeating what youve read in the paper.

1 minute people moan about a stadium not being unique (i.e. emirates thread), the next they r saying its too expensive (i.e. wembley).

i think its fairly evident that a huge sum of money has been spent on the internal decoration, and a huge amount has been spent on the arch. 1 thing u can be sure of is that there arnt many other places that will make a stadium of this quality. in fact its most likely multiplex underquoted and thats how they got the contract.

btw there is no profit in having a flat roof.
http://i4.tinypic.com/10n5g6g.jpg

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From the pics they've shown, it looks like basically all of the pitch has been covered with the sandy stuff, does anyone know what the next stage in the development is? I can remember this stage in the Emirates stadium, but I can't remember what they did to the pitch area after that.

From this pic below it shows that there was the sandy stuff on the pitch right before the turf seed was laid down:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8230/emiratesstadium6oo.jpg

Does this mean that it won't be too long before they are laying down the turf at Wembley, or am I well off? I think there might have been a timetable for this kinda thing somewhere on the interent, on one of those Wembley construction info documents...if somebody could check that out or knows anything about it, I'd be much appreciated.

:cheers:

lets not start on the cost, its been done to DEATH. nearly half of it was for buying the land and other stuff

so just leave it


This may come as a shock to you, but buying land is part of the cost of building a new stadium!!!! It applies to almost every new stadium. The price of a stadium is how much it costs to build everything to get that stadium open. For example, if you have to build a new train station, then that is part of the cost to get the stadium finished and should be included in the total price of the stadium!! Without the train station, there is no stadium. So the cost of the train station is just as important as the cost of the seats in the stadium.


I even heard one monkey say that the the cost of the pitch shouldn't be included in the figure???? What the hell are they going to play on then???

don't waste your breath Durbs,if it isn't in WA,he ain't interested
No it just seems to me the MCG looks a lot bigger :S
i prefer twickenham over wembley though.
and its a wa company thats building that so don't complain.

No it just seems to me the MCG looks a lot bigger :S
i prefer twickenham over wembley though.
and its a wa company thats building that so don't complain.




size isn't everything..... :)

I knew he would Bring the MCG into it ;)


Lord knows how long it will be before they get the turf in...July i'm going to say.


P.S
Bubomb, shut it ya muppet.

MCG is huge in its own ways, but MCG is a piece by piece stadium that made it that huge, this is one BIG shebang!

Looks like finally something is covering up the western part of the stadium...

http://webcam.thefa.com/webcamhome.jpg

This may come as a shock to you, but buying land is part of the cost of building a new stadium!!!! It applies to almost every new stadium. The price of a stadium is how much it costs to build everything to get that stadium open. For example, if you have to build a new train station, then that is part of the cost to get the stadium finished and should be included in the total price of the stadium!! Without the train station, there is no stadium. So the cost of the train station is just as important as the cost of the seats in the stadium.


I even heard one monkey say that the the cost of the pitch shouldn't be included in the figure???? What the hell are they going to play on then???

Of course its part of the cost however when making direct comparasons you have to consider whether the publisized costs of other stadiums also factor in such things. For example I remember someone stating the final cost of the Stade De France was over £500 million when land/infrastructure etc were taken into account which is the figure we should be compairing to the £750 million. Whats more when compaired to the Stade De France you also have to consider the extra cost of the luxury facilties(10,000 extra capcity on 10 year leases, restaurants etc that are there in order to recoup the private investment. The real question isnt the cost at all but whether the stadium will be finically viable, if it is then the real cost to the public is £120 million in lottery money and £50 million of public money compaired to £500 million of public money for the Stade De France.

^^ I was under the impression that the FA was footing the majority of the cost. But if they aren't, and the stadium is going to be "financially viable", is the £500m of public money justifiable? Private investors will be paid back, so why not the public also? I don't particularly like the idea of toiling away at work so that 1/5 of my wage can go towards building another London landmark, which almost as soon as it is built it is going to make the FA a profit.

If the stadium is to make a profit the public money should have been loaned to the project, not gifted.

^^ I was under the impression that the FA was footing the majority of the cost. But if they aren't, and the stadium is going to be "financially viable", is the £500m of public money justifiable? Private investors will be paid back, so why not the public also? I don't particularly like the idea of toiling away at work so that 1/5 of my wage can go towards building another London landmark, which almost as soon as it is built it is going to make the FA a profit.

If the stadium is to make a profit the public money should have been loaned to the project, not gifted.

Other than the £120 million of lottery funding to buy the site, no public money has paid for the building of Wembley.

Eddy that mesh has been there for over 2 weeks all that is going on there is the sun is shining on it making it look less transparent.

^^ I was under the impression that the FA was footing the majority of the cost. But if they aren't, and the stadium is going to be "financially viable", is the £500m of public money justifiable? Private investors will be paid back, so why not the public also? I don't particularly like the idea of toiling away at work so that 1/5 of my wage can go towards building another London landmark, which almost as soon as it is built it is going to make the FA a profit.

If the stadium is to make a profit the public money should have been loaned to the project, not gifted.

Mistake on my part I ment £50 million that I seem to remember was going towards devolping the local infrastructure.

Eddy that mesh has been there for over 2 weeks all that is going on there is the sun is shining on it making it look less transparent.

I know that, but if you look...metal cladding is being put on it.

Other than the £120 million of lottery funding to buy the site, no public money has paid for the building of Wembley.

I don't consider Lottery money to be public money - to me "public money" is all the money raised by the Exchequer that we all have to pay by law, and which therefore has to be spent scrupulously and judiciously. On the other hand, I don't give a flying monkey's how many millions of pounds of Lottery money get frittered away on frivolous projects, since everybody who chooses to enter knows what the arrangement is, and has complete choice whether or not to participate.

http://www.cafmexplorer.com/images/wembley.jpg
^^ In this image, next to that metal cladding apears to be a screen. Does anyone know if this is a screen or projection.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/06/olylondonwembley_gallery__550x388.jpg
Same render but with mass projections (?) covering the glass exterior.
This place will have one hell of an electricity bill!

I know that, but if you look...metal cladding is being put on it.
Dam man, you got good eyes! I can't make out any difference from a couple of days ago in that picture...I'll take your word for it though, and it's about time this area was completed!

http://www.cafmexplorer.com/images/wembley.jpg
^^ In this image, next to that metal cladding apears to be a screen. Does anyone know if this is a screen or projection.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/06/olylondonwembley_gallery__550x388.jpg

I've been wondering abouyt that too. Isn't it mentioned somewhere in a Multiplex specifications report that there are supposed to be video screens on the exterior? This area deffinitely looks different to the glass parts of the stadium, so it must be something like that...does anyone know what those white panels actually are??

:cheers:

http://www.cafmexplorer.com/images/wembley.jpg
^^ In this image, next to that metal cladding apears to be a screen. Does anyone know if this is a screen or projection.
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/06/olylondonwembley_gallery__550x388.jpg
Same render but with mass projections (?) covering the glass exterior.
This place will have one hell of an electricity bill!

They could be screens or they could be projections. Another more basic possibility is that they're just large uplit printed banners, of the type that adorn the area around the Millennium Stadium during cup final week.

I think they will have that one screen, where the mesh is, but the rest should be as EADGE said, lit up banners, that pic looks wicked.....................

Wait hold on, that black part looks like the screen to me, look at the render & the webcam shot, I pretty sure that the black part on the webcam pic is the screen.

It would be awesome if they do actually have screens on the exterior, might just beat Allianz...

I wonder what they'd use them for? Surely showing games live right outside a stadium making the area more crowded isnt a good idea?

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2006240817,00.jpg

when wembley's roof is closed would the roof be see through? so that it would still get natural sunlight in a match even if its played under closed roof?

I don't think they would close the roof if it was sunny.

yes but will the closed roof be transparent? some of the renders suggest this

You can see on the Webcam it's solid metal.

I can't see what the point of making it transparent would have been anyway, when open it lets in the sunlight for the pitch anyway and when closed it gives you the option of making sure the entire pitch is in shadow.

I can't see what the point of making it transparent would have been anyway, when open it lets in the sunlight for the pitch anyway and when closed it gives you the option of making sure the entire pitch is in shadow.

its just that it would be a bit different, playing indoors with the sky(whether raining or not) still visible above, unlike the millenium stadium.

when wembley's roof is closed would the roof be see through? so that it would still get natural sunlight in a match even if its played under closed roof?

Firstly, it's not a fully retractable roof, like Cardiff. The only reason there is some retractability is to ensure that there is no roof shadow on a sunny day, to interfere with the viewing pleasure of the TV audience.

The best way to explain this is to cite the 1970 World Cup. Under the intense Mexican sunshine, the games under many of the roofed stadia (like Azteca) created a huge contrast between light and dark areas. As the cameras followed the play, panning from dark to light (or vice-versa), there would be a split second of correction as the cameras' white and colour balances would react to the changes in light intensity. This would mean short but regular periods of either a darkened or a bleached image which is not conducive to watching a fast paced match. Watch the footage to see what I mean. The Brazil v Uruguay Semi-Final is the best example I can think of. In the second half, from a Uruguayan goal kick, Pelé volleys the clearance straight back to the 'keeper, almost scoring, there isn't time for the cameras to react. I've never seen that happen in a game before or since and in this instance, it was barely visible.

Anyway, even though camera technology has advanced a lot over the last 36 years but fundamentally, the same problem remains in a diminished form. The reason the roof at Wembley is semi-retractable is to ensure that there are no shadows thrown across the pitch to spoil viewers' pleasure. The chief consideration would be, I presume, a sunny day in mid-May between 3pm and 5pm (the FA Cup Final).

The alternative solution to the shadow problem would have been to have rotated the pitch N-S instead of its traditional (and current) E-W orientation.

The important thing to note though is that Wembley will not have a wholly covered playing surface. The roof is there to cover the stands, like a 'normal' stadium roof although the South Stand roof can be moved back to remove shadows from the pitch on a sunny day.

@EADGBE, thanx for the info very informative, i did read that somwhere before but only jut remembered

Even as a spectator I personally find half in shadow pitchs make for less than optimium viewing. Another big factor with the roof was the comdiction of the pitch as when open it will let it get much more sunlight and I'd guess also a far bit more wind that helps grow strong grass roots.

Would it be possible in the future to add a retractable roof that would cover the whole pitch area?

Would it be possible in the future to add a retractable roof that would cover the whole pitch area?

I doubt it, by the looks of things it doesn't look like the current roof design would be able to accomodate the extra loading a modification like that would exert. But then again I don't know the loading capacities of the arch and the prismatic truss that circles the top of the stadium bowl, so I could be wrong.

I doubt theres really that much need for a fully retractble roof in London with a pitch that has modern drainage and heating, Cardiff maybe but they get alot more rain.

I don't think any stadium 'needs' a retractble roof in the UK. I have been going to football games in stadiums for 20 years without retractble roofs. In my 20 years of attending football games, not one game at Ibrox has been called off and it doesn't have a retractble roof!! They are a waste of money if you ask me!

In Cardiff's case I'd guess its there more for the benefit of concerts and other indoor events rather than rubgy/football.

In Cardiff's case I'd guess its there more for the benefit of concerts and other indoor events rather than rubgy/football.

thats why their pitch looks crap alot of the time

http://static.flickr.com/52/148270423_e36c1e56cb_o.jpg

Terrible exterior, looks like an office building with a BIG ASS arch over it!!

Now what office building will have a BIG ASS arch over it?

i don't like the exterior that much either, the arch is not thick enough, or is it just me and hating bad wheather. My god, this photo realy makes me happy with living in the Costa Blanca!

not many exteriors can beat wembleys

not many exteriors can beat wembleys
Like this, for example?

http://i2.tinypic.com/116p3kl.jpg

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

thats not how OT looks currently the exterior is much better

not many exteriors can beat wembleys

There's really nothing special about it. Wembley has a lot of nice features but the exterior isn't one of them.

i don't like the exterior that much either, the arch is not thick enough, or is it just me and hating bad wheather. My god, this photo realy makes me happy with living in the Costa Blanca!

i can see what you mean about the cladding (looks a bit like the bad side of london city hall) but i assure you the arch is impressive. it only looks thin from that distance because the stadium is so big. I cant wait to see fireworks and light shows off this thing like they did in athens

The outside of Wembley looks like an office block. All boring glass. It should look like an intimidating stadium, not a business park. It is clearly the weakest part of the stadium. However, it is a million times better than this exterior - The Theatre of Screams -

http://www.the-lightbox.com/newpix/oldtrafford.jpg

Thats horrendous! :puke: u cant post such filth here!

Wembley has a lot of nice features but the exterior isn't one of them.


The cladding is not the greatest ( I'm being polite about it :) ), but I think the arch more than makes up for the bland exterior by Foster and hopefully it will be changed in the future.

BuBomb/Socrates, can you stop posting pictures of Old Trafford please, this is a thread about Wembley, and your bitter tirade against OT is getting really boring now.

Didn't anybodey ever tell you that beauty is more than skin deep?

Anyway, there's often a lot of BS talked about stadium exteriors, in my view. Yes, we can eulogise about Allianz, Soldier Field, Oita or even the Coliseum in LA, but aesthetically challenging architecture is the exception, not the rule with most stadium design. First and foremost they're functional buildings and they should really be evaluated as such. We all like to look at nice things but I'm sure most people would rather pay attention to the interior of the piece before the exterior. Why do they have to outwardly 'look like' or indeed 'not look like' anything?

Now before anyone accuses me of inverted snobbery, I'm not saying that you shouldn't attempt to incorporate flamboyance and artistry into designs nor am I saying that those who do have done so for the wrong reasons. I'm simply arguing that the principal consideration is to build a structure that does a specific job. Look at all those massive college stadia in America. What was the principal factor in their design?

It's very easy to sneer at Wembley for not being as bold as it could have been. I'd rather have 90,000 seats with good sightlines and a sense of intimacy heightened by the proximity of the front row of seating than some architecht's idea of ground-breaking design. I'm not saying it can't be better but I am saying the area is too hit-and-miss to worry about making an integral part of the design.

As an ardent United fan, I can happily accept that while OT is lots of things, it is never going to win awards for its architectural risk-taking - although I would point out to bubomb that aerial shots of the South Stand are the least attractive of all (coincidentally) and that the glass facades of the new quads are much easier on the eye than perhaps he is prepared to admit or maybe he'd have posted them.

You only have to walk half a mile from OT to see the work of a 'visionary' architect. The Imperial War Museum North on the Salford Quays is the conception of the renowned Daniel Libeskind, whom I'm sure needs no introduction on these pages. It is indeed challenging and provocative with its 'shattered earth' exterior. Aesthetically, have to say I'm pretty neutral about it, though.

http://www.galinsky.com/buildings/iwmnorth/iwm-north-1.jpg

I can see why such a distinct shape was used but part of me feels it is being unconventional for its own sake. Whether I happen to like the look it has sought is not necessarily the point here. Perhaps it is relevant that a museum, particularly a war museum, a place to engender reflection and soul-searching extends the philosophy to its exterior, like a piece of art.

I would argue strongly that a sports stadium does not. Many of the most admired stadia in the world are not works of art from the outside. The Nou Camp is frequently compared to a car park, Twickenham was recently likened to a sewage plant on that particular thread and lets face it, Giants Stadium, the MCG and the Stade de France are not outwardly pretty. However, this impediment has not stopped them becoming among the most significant examples of stadium design.

Let's not get too hung up on the sensibilities Wembley either stirs or indeed offends. Of course I want to be proud to go there with my son to watch England (one day!) but that pride will require far more than a facade. The way the structure helps generate the atmosphere is to me a far more important factor. But then, I'm a football fan, not an aspiring artist and I'm rather glad about that...

BuBomb/Socrates, can you stop posting pictures of Old Trafford please, this is a thread about Wembley, and your bitter tirade against OT is getting really boring now.
He's right bubomb, you'll need to stop it, because when you do that, I do this

http://www.atombombspeedster.com/vanillabeach/images/journal/vomit.jpg

i thought you always did that in the morning socrates

Why would you think that, its all guud?

well if you don't know, im not gonna tell you

does anyone know when the turf is being laid at wembley, it should be soon by the looks of it

You're a simple creature.

You're a simple creature.

ai, not all complicated and broken like someone i can mention

Your attempts at psycho-analysing me via an internet message board provide me with a seemingly endless source of amusement! Please continue...

Broken? hahahahahahaha

ok maybe that was too strong of a word, but near enough

http://www.chabotcollege.edu/library/abby/broken%20record.jpg

Still making no sense.

can you stop with trying to always get the last word and get back to the STADIUM itself

Don't mind me, I'm just a broken yet complicated individual. (Apparently)

well i said "like someone i can mention", you yourself assumed it was you funnily enough

You are such a nutcase! Its cute, really. I assumed you meant me because you implied it was me. If you did not mean to imply that then you do not have a great grasp of the English language, and that isn't my fault.

Theres nothing else I can say to you really.

http://www.forbesbookclub.com/bookimages/ingram/076/455/0764553224.gif

I suppose

i'm a nutcase, really? ok ok you assumed correct, afterall it was describing you perfectly as u have already admitted

Oh dear. I think its time for your bed young man.

night night

ahh ur'll stopped :( i was enjoying that ! Now as guud poitned out, when is the turf gonna be laid?

It looks like they are closing at least part of the roof from the webcam.

If I could just interrupt the childish baiting for a moment, I'd like to contribute something that resembles the thread title - from bbc.co.uk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006, 18:35 GMT 19:35 UK:

No Wembley promise on 2007 final

Wembley bosses have declined the chance to guarantee that the new stadium will be ready for the 2007 FA Cup final.
The venue was set to be completed in time for the 2006 showpiece fixture between West Ham and Liverpool.

But the 90,000-seater is now not expected to be able to host events until early 2007.

"For us the most important thing is not to hit a particular date," Wembley National Stadium Limited chairman Michael Cunnah told Five Live Sport.

"The England matches can be played around the country, which has been very successful, and the cup finals have a very good home down in Cardiff.

"The important thing for us is that the stadium is built to the right quality and for the price that we can afford.

"So from that point of view, time becomes our variable and although we were very, very disappointed not to have the FA Cup final here it is more important to get the stadium that is going to be here for 100 years."

WNSL have been told they face a compensation claim for as much as £150m from stadium builders Multiplex.

Multiplex has told Five Live Sport that WNSL have made over 200 significant changes to the original design.

And now they want Wembley bosses to help them contribute to the penalty costs incurred because of delays to the stadium.

The penalty clause in the building contract is believed to be for £140,000 per day.

But Cunnah added: "We refute any claims that Multiplex have against us.

"£150m is an outrageous number and we refute any claim whether it is for £1 or for £150m.

"Technology has moved on since the stadium was designed so there have been design changes but they have all been pre-agreed with Multiplex."

Meanwhile, the Health and Safety Executive is investigating alleged safety breaches on the site, which were uncovered by Five Live Sport.

However, Multiplex say that health and safety is paramount on their sites, and that strict guidelines are in place.

Thanks.

Like this, for example?

http://i2.tinypic.com/116p3kl.jpg

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Spot the dick!

The turf is going to be started on next week apparently

Oh my god, I can't wait!!!

The turf is going to be started on next week apparently
very good news, where exactly did you hear this, is it official? From the last pictures (England team visit) the pitch looked almost ready to have turf laid down, but I'm no expert....there was a timetable for all the projects going on at Wembley, but I can't remember where to find it...?

Anyway, good news!

Oh my god, I can't wait!!!
You too eh? Glad we agree on something ;)

:cheers:

Whoa, hold the phone, a big news update from Multiplex:


Wembley Progress Update
1st June 2006

In relation to the Wembley National Stadium project, Multiplex advises the following progress highlights:

-The rafter in the northern roof which was affected in the incident in March 2006 is now restored to its final position and welding is complete.

-All temporary towers and temporary roof trusses have been removed.

-All tower cranes have been removed and only smaller mobile cranes remain to complete final infill sections. It is anticipated all these precast infill works will be completed within the next week.

-Works on the playing pitch continue with all areas now handed over and laying of turf due to be complete in June.

-Handover of areas to the roof cladding contractor are now substantially complete and these cladding works are anticipated to be complete in June.

-The 2 large video screens have been commissioned and tested in conjunction with PA/VA speaker systems.

-Final inspections and snagging are underway in 112 of the 161 corporate boxes. Final wall panels and carpet are being installed in a further 28 ready for final inspections in June.

-Major system commissioning has commenced:
>Primary cooling water system has been balanced.
>Chilled water system balancing.
>LTHW system balancing.
>Ventilation and air-conditioning systems air balancing.


-The main Event & Police control rooms will be available for the client to commence familiarisation / training early June. This includes the use of CCTV, Access control, Steward Telephones, etc.
In addition Multiplex advises:

-Substantial completion is now anticipated on 13 July 2006 leaving certain works relating to the recent removal of the cranes and hoists and certain activities such as commissioning and cleaning to be completed after this date (refer to our earlier releases).

-Multiplex has formally advised its client, WNSL, that Multiplex is entitled to substantial and legitimate extensions of time under the terms of its construction contract which will extend the contract completion date until at least September 2006. Notwithstanding that it is Multiplex’s belief that it has until at least September to complete, Multiplex is targeting substantial completion in July as noted above, although it is not anticipated to finish commissioning, cleaning and other works (referred to in the point above) until September 2006.

-There are a number of critical works and activities that are the responsibility of our client, and the timing of the completion of these works is under the control of our client. The date for the opening of the stadium and the hosting of the first event will ultimately be a matter for our client.

-No adjustments to the market guidance for Multiplex Group full year 2006 earnings flow from this Update.

-The Court judgment in relation to certain matters in the dispute between Multiplex and CBUK is expected on 5 / 6 June, 2006.


You can see lots of very recent photos of the stadium here:

http://www.multiplexcapital.biz/uploads/filelibrary/Multiplex%20Wembley%20Update%20End%20May%202006.pdf

:cheers:

It looks more impressive by the day.

^^ The pictures on that page show that they have really been moving it along this past month and the satdium is really starting to come together now with most of the seats installed and the pitch area basically cleared,

Just to quickly sum up what that progress report said if anyone can't be bothered to read it:

Current project info:

-Big cranes have been removed, smaller ones finishing off minor jobs and will be removed in the next few weeks
-TV screens have been tested with speaker system
-Northen roof rafter fixed and trussels removed meaning the roof is now operational


Expected projects for completion in June:

-Turf will be laid
-Cladding for the roof will be finished
-Smaller mobile cranes are expected to be removed in the near future, possibly in June.
-Final wall panels and carpets installed in corporate boxes
-Event and Police controll rooms ready for client configurationa and familiarisation


They hope to have all the main work done by July...13th of July to be precise, and the clean up/finishing touches will last untill September, so you can forget this nonsense about possibly missing the 2007 FA Cup!

:cheers:

For the first time it looks like it's nearing completion, shame they didn't show the changing rooms though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wemmay1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay6.jpg

its crazy how its only 90,000, look at the size of that first tier!!!! its huge!!!

, so you can forget this nonsense about possibly missing the 2007 FA Cup!


FA have confirmed that they have already temporary booked cardiff, incase something happens.......I hope nothing happens. Just complete this stadium already! :bash:

Looks like the video screens are going to stay that size as they have put white boards on either side of them maybe for advertising. That's a little disappointing i thought they were going to cover the whole frame with a screen. Also, why do they need four access points at the corners? They could have added more seats.

For the concerts, they need access to the pitch area.

Looks like the video screens are going to stay that size as they have put white boards on either side of them maybe for advertising. That's a little disappointing i thought they were going to cover the whole frame with a screen. Also, why do they need four access points at the corners? They could have added more seats.

Agreed, a little bummed by this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wemmay1.jpg

You can see one of the uses of the roof there keeping the shadow off the pitch.

Also, why do they need four access points at the corners? They could have added more seats.

Saw a show about stadia last night on NatGeo. The main focus of the show was the pitch, and how so many new stadia got their pitches wrong (all dying fast) by not allowing the grass enough exposure to sunlight. So stadia like at AJAX fixed that and still their pitch suffered terribly. Turns out despite being exposed to the sun, it was to cut off from exposure to fresh air flow, causing their pitch to deteriorate.

In Wembleys design stages, they had light tests done, which was why (as well as to allow for the shadows on the pitch issue, and to cover spectators in bad weather) the roof sections of Wembley retract - to allow sunlight in.

But when they wanted to test the weight of the roof section - supported by the arch - they discovered the unexpected. They found when they tested the roof in windy conditions that the extra loading exerted was not as great as they had expected.

What they also found out, by chance, was whilst blowing the smoky air over the roof, they saw that one fairly sizeable corner of the pitch was not getting any airflow. They knew this would have an effect on the grass, so they had to come up with a way to direct air onto the pitch. And the only way to do this was to open up the four corners so air could penetrate the pitch at ground level, rather than from over the roof.

So, as someone has already said, the four corners may have been left for pitch access in concert mode, but according to this show the designers modified the design with the corners cut out to ensure that the pitch got fresh air to maximise growth and ensure tip-top condition.

Wow impressive pics, finally it's looking quite well, cool stadium, but when is scheduled to inaugurate it, it was for the last England-Hungary but they couldn't play there but now? :?

Saw a show about stadia last night on NatGeo. The main focus of the show was the pitch, and how so many new stadia got their pitches wrong (all dying fast) by not allowing the grass enough exposure to sunlight. So stadia like at AJAX fixed that and still their pitch suffered terribly. Turns out despite being exposed to the sun, it was to cut off from exposure to fresh air flow, causing their pitch to deteriorate.

In Wembleys design stages, they had light tests done, which was why (as well as to allow for the shadows on the pitch issue, and to cover spectators in bad weather) the roof sections of Wembley retract - to allow sunlight in.

But when they wanted to test the weight of the roof section - supported by the arch - they discovered the unexpected. They found when they tested the roof in windy conditions that the extra loading exerted was not as great as they had expected.

What they also found out, by chance, was whilst blowing the smoky air over the roof, they saw that one fairly sizeable corner of the pitch was not getting any airflow. They knew this would have an effect on the grass, so they had to come up with a way to direct air onto the pitch. And the only way to do this was to open up the four corners so air could penetrate the pitch at ground level, rather than from over the roof.

So, as someone has already said, the four corners may have been left for pitch access in concert mode, but according to this show the designers modified the design with the corners cut out to ensure that the pitch got fresh air to maximise growth and ensure tip-top condition.
Sounds plausible, however they could have just bought a couple of these for the groundsman to use during the week when theres no one about!

http://www.geeks.com/imageshare/G/150x150/GN-064-unit.gif

Saw a show about stadia last night on NatGeo. The main focus of the show was the pitch, and how so many new stadia got their pitches wrong (all dying fast) by not allowing the grass enough exposure to sunlight. So stadia like at AJAX fixed that and still their pitch suffered terribly. Turns out despite being exposed to the sun, it was to cut off from exposure to fresh air flow, causing their pitch to deteriorate.

In Wembleys design stages, they had light tests done, which was why (as well as to allow for the shadows on the pitch issue, and to cover spectators in bad weather) the roof sections of Wembley retract - to allow sunlight in.

But when they wanted to test the weight of the roof section - supported by the arch - they discovered the unexpected. They found when they tested the roof in windy conditions that the extra loading exerted was not as great as they had expected.

What they also found out, by chance, was whilst blowing the smoky air over the roof, they saw that one fairly sizeable corner of the pitch was not getting any airflow. They knew this would have an effect on the grass, so they had to come up with a way to direct air onto the pitch. And the only way to do this was to open up the four corners so air could penetrate the pitch at ground level, rather than from over the roof.

So, as someone has already said, the four corners may have been left for pitch access in concert mode, but according to this show the designers modified the design with the corners cut out to ensure that the pitch got fresh air to maximise growth and ensure tip-top condition.

So are they going to have air blowers or something in the tunnels at ground level or will there be enough air coming from these naturally? I don't see how sufficient air can come onto the pitch from base level from the inside. Anyway that programme you saw appears quite interesting from what you described

for the first time in a long time it looks like the construction is advancing pretty well and it is looking better and better!

Yes, this is easily the best multiplex update to date. It's amazing how better it looks, when those temporary roof supports are removed. It looks like it very much nearly finished now. Even the external cladding doesn't look to bad to me. I like the clean, smooth image all-glass cladding gives. It looks nothing like a retail park. Maybe more like expensive office suites, but the inside of the stadium and the facilites available will be second to none. ;) It's also a beast of a stadium, huge!

Just a bit of info from the Building.co.uk website, I don't have a subscription so I can't get the full article, but here is what the snippet reads:

Deal struck over Wembley electrical works
2 June, 2006

Wembley contractor Multiplex and M&E firm Phoenix Electrical have struck a deal to complete crucial electrical works on the site, ending a pay row that had jeopardised the final stages of the project.

:cheers:

well thats good news, if true of course

So are they going to have air blowers or something in the tunnels at ground level or will there be enough air coming from these naturally? I don't see how sufficient air can come onto the pitch from base level from the inside. Anyway that programme you saw appears quite interesting from what you described

Don't ask me mate, I wouldn't have a clue. I'm just telling you what I learned. I don't see any reason to doubt what they said though, given they interviewed the designers - or was it engineers, I don't remember. Yep, it was an interesting show. If I find out what it was called I'll post it so others can look out for it.

..and M&E firm Phoenix Electrical ......

Lol, my firms name is M & E too, but we no where near USA, so yeh.......

Is it me or are the first two tires not, totaly not, steep? Looking great by the way

Just you.


Still bummed about the TV screen being smaller than expected...if that is the final outcome.

Seems a strange thing to be upset over...but still.

So the first two tires are steep? Not realy Bernabeau style,is it? or is this photo taken from the wrong perspective. I'll check the rest of this thread to see for myself!

The pictures are taken with a wide angle lense so probabley not the best way to determine that kind of thing. I'd guess the first tier is a similar angle to the Bernabeu but the upper two tiers are not as steep, mainly because they don't have the same staircases half way up them.

http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~mirad/Stadioni/bernabeu.jpg

The pictures are taken with a wide angle lense so probabley not the best way to determine that kind of thing. I'd guess the first tier is a similar angle to the Bernabeu but the upper two tiers are not as steep, mainly because they don't have the same staircases half way up them.

http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~mirad/Stadioni/bernabeu.jpg

I would have thought that the main reason that the Bernabeu is markedly steeper on tiers 2 & 3 is that it is constrained by its footprint at a major intersectin in central Madrid. The only way so many seats could have been added over the last 25 years has been to build steeper tiers.

Wembley on the other hand is in a much less densely built-up area. It has been able to expand its girth outwards far more. I'm sure the blurb on wembleystadium.com claims that the new building will have a circumference of 1km.

I'm also sure that our building regs prohibit some of the steeper rake angles that are allowed in Europe (though not necessarily Spain). The top tier at Charleroi, Belgium is something like 5 degrees more than you could build here, as I remember.

The pictures are taken with a wide angle lense so probabley not the best way to determine that kind of thing. I'd guess the first tier is a similar angle to the Bernabeu but the upper two tiers are not as steep, mainly because they don't have the same staircases half way up them.

http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~mirad/Stadioni/bernabeu.jpg

Actually, looking at that great pic of the Bernabeu, I'm reminded of the time I listened (in the days when live TV coverage of England matches was rare) to Spain v England in about 1988/89 (4-2 to England, Lineker (4)).

I remember the commentator talking about the impressiveness of the Bernabeu with "its five tiers". Being unable to see it for myself, I was awestuck at the thought of a five-tiered stadium and wondered how it would look.

Of course, it's really 'only' three tiers, where the top two are split by vertical walls, allowing room for the lateral access staircases. Looking back, a couple of things are worth considering.

1) Don't believe everything you hear from a radio commentator. They are often barely able to report on the game coherently and their knowledge of stadium construction should be considered unreliable at best.

2) The quirky naure of the top two tiers in Madrid is almost certainly owed by the severe limitations of footprint space at the site. Given more space in which to work, I'm certain the Bernabeu's bowl would more like the Nou Camp, which is itself afforded enough footprint space to accommodate its demand for seating.

http://gee.aie.free.fr/images/bernabeu.jpg

http://www.guatelife.com/cevichonperez/Google_Earth/Google_Earth-11.jpg

In short, the '4th' and '5th' tiers, far from being awe-inspiring elemts of the Bernabeu are in fact design compromises that were required to allow the capacity demanded in a location that in any other context would be considered wholly inapppropriate.

Ah, the death of innocence....

3rd Tier of Bernabeu is 45° (Stadionweltmagazine. They asked the Stadium manager)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/spanien/santiago_bernabeu/images/innen/innen_14.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/spanien/santiago_bernabeu/images/innen/innen_23.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/spanien/santiago_bernabeu/images/innen/innen_27.jpg

But as EADGBE already said, its only because of the small area

the same you can find at La Bombanera

Wembley 3rd tier is i think ~32°

45 degrees? Wow, that is steep! I mentioned Charleroi because I thought that was the steepest about but I'm sure that's around 41-43!

yes
charleroi 3rd tier is very steep
maybe its also 45°?
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/belgien/stade_du_pays_de_charleroi/270.jpg

But i think when it is +35° the comfort isn't so good?!!

Allianz Arena:
1st Tier: 24°
2nd: 30°
3rd: 34°

Köln:
1st: 26°
2nd: 33,8° - 35,4°

Frankfurt:
1st: 22°
2nd: 32°

Berlin:
1st: 23°
2nd: 25°

Atatürk Olimpiyat:
1st: 18°
2nd: 28° and 32°
3rd tier: 35°

I like both stadiums def. (I use def. because defuantly I def. spell wrong)
They are completely different, but Bernabeu untill so far is the winner (and it is not even perfect yet as they have a main stand to complete in my opinion... :sleepy: ) But that's my opinion and let's wait and see untill we can see Wembley finished.

So if I understand The wembley stadium should add an extra tire to be able to have such a nice tire as the upper in Bernabeu... :) hehehe would be fun though, about 115.000 cap all singing God save the Queen. (and then lose the opening match or something, great atmosphere!) Would only leave Mexico city to beat with that 120.000 cap.
Nice challange no?
No just kidding, end of the day you know!

The steeper the better, my opinion. Close to the feeld and very impressive, yep we go for 45 degrees. I think comfort is not a problem no. I have been to the Amsterdam Arena. I think it is very steep to. Just don't jump up your chear to fast when the ref. messes up again. :cheers:

I think Wembley's stands are fine

Right now I'm watching the Scotland England game at the old Wembley in 1967, and the distance between the pitch and the stands behind the goal was massive!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38234000/jpg/_38234867_baxter1967pa300.jpg

I would like to see a return of regular Scotland v England games. Perhaps every second year at alternate venues would be good.

^^ You're watching some random game from 1967....:dunno: :sly: Ohhhh k....well err...hope that works out for you...whatever does it for you I guess :hug:

The gap between the pitch and the stands behind the goal in Old Wembley was fairly big compared to today's stadiums (baring in mind it was built back in 1923), but even that distance is less then some foreign stadiums from Spain, Italy etc etc, as British satdiums have always been praised for the close promixmity between the stands and the pitch. And the new Wembley is gonna be right up close to the action!! Can't wait to watch a game live in this stadium!

As far as the regular England-Scotland games go....yer, I suppose it is sad that there aren't regular games scheduled each year...but this rivalry has kind of died out over recent years (well, I can only speak for England here), and I know England would much rather entertain countries like Argentina with a full 90,000 stadium's worth of fan support to help the team! You said 'Perhaps every second year at alternate venues would be good.' ....I'm not sure whether you mean alternate between Scotland and England, or alternate between different stadiums in Scotland and England, but if the latter is the cse, it wouldn't work, cus Wembley (from 2007 onwards) will become the home for all national games, and there will be no spreading it around the country till some time in 2030-2040....2037 I think.... And besides, with so many countries in the world wanting to play games against England (and vice versa), it is kinda stupid to have games against Scotland lined up every year.

But anyway, back to the stadium, the tiers look fine to me, and as I have said before, they have designed the stands using the latest computer technology to ensure everyone gets perfect views of the pitch and maximum comfort. That high-wide angle that those snap shots of the inside are taken from is quite misleading, and (as has already been proved a few times) the tiers look more then suitably steep from ground level. :)

:cheers:

It would be great if they could bring back the home championship beween England, Scotland, Wales N Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. They could have staged it every two years inbetween the world cup and the European championships, the support would be huge. However we all know this is never going to happen what with teams not wanting there players injured etc but it is a great shame nontheless.

I think the continuing potential for fan trouble is the biggest reason it won't happen, coupled with the increasing influence of the clubs over the international scene with regard to 'meaningless' friendlies.

I remember England used to have a tour almost every summer when there wasn't a tournament. Last year, they played two games in the USA and got roundly criticised for it by the clubs. It seems the days of the England tour have gone. This is a shame. Memories like John Barnes' goal v Brazil in Rio in 1984 came from tours like this.

I don't think the rivalry with Scotland has diminished. That's kind of what they want you to think so they can more easily resist calls for these regular games to be reinstated. A sad side-effect of the strength of the Premiership and still a sign of the times where fans a re co ncerned, I'm afraid.

45 degrees aint steep see kings park in Durban, now that flippin steep!
but its nice to see that wembley has gentle slope stands, so that way if you are pissed, theres a smaller chance of you tumbling down the stairs.

I think the continuing potential for fan trouble is the biggest reason it won't happen, coupled with the increasing influence of the clubs over the international scene with regard to 'meaningless' friendlies.

I remember England used to have a tour almost every summer when there wasn't a tournament. Last year, they played two games in the USA and got roundly criticised for it by the clubs. It seems the days of the England tour have gone. This is a shame. Memories like John Barnes' goal v Brazil in Rio in 1984 came from tours like this.

I don't think the rivalry with Scotland has diminished. That's kind of what they want you to think so they can more easily resist calls for these regular games to be reinstated. A sad side-effect of the strength of the Premiership and still a sign of the times where fans a re co ncerned, I'm afraid.

I'd say the club vs country side of it is actually much more of a factor than fan violence. The between season breaks themselves have become alot shorter aswell so I'd guess if the home countries fixtures did return it would be in place of international friendlies thoughout the season.

One factor that might help is Wembley itself as if the FA are going to sell out every game then meaningful fixtures verus Scotland/Wales/NI are going to be a much bigger draw than pretty much any friendly outside of maybe Brazil, Germany, Argentina. I'd guess another problem maybe that friendlies are probabley used to grease the political wheels of FIFA(giving money to other FA's) though which we'd have to do if we wanted to get the 2018 WC.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/Multimedia/360degreeInteractiveViews/may2006/default.htm

Thye Sco Eng rivalry has dissipated somewhat I think because matches between us are so infrequent. Regular games would see the rivalry return swiftly.

I think though that (certain) English fans are deluding themselves if they think they have bigger fish to fry: its not that often that you get to play the likes of Brazil/Argentina/Germany in friendlies, more often than not its run of the mill rubbish - less glamourous than even the current crap Scotland team.

I would welcome a bi annual return of the Sco Eng match up, alternating between Wembley and a redeveloped Hampden. But with so many obstacles it probably will never happen, and I'll just have to console myself with the knowledge that at least your average Glaswegian shopper will not be terrorised by visiting hooligans every 4 years!

I think though that (certain) English fans are deluding themselves if they think they have bigger fish to fry:
No offense to the Scottish team here, but yes, there are bigger fish to fry, and games that would challenge the England team more and give more exciting and passionate clashes. As I said before, an England-Argentina game, or possibly an England-Germany game would stir up a lot more tension and expectation then a game against Scotland...those are just the facts of the matter.

its not that often that you get to play the likes of Brazil/Argentina/Germany in friendlies, more often than not its run of the mill rubbish - less glamourous than even the current crap Scotland team.
Well, exactly, it's not that often that the big teams clash with each other, so these should take higher priority over a game with Scotland imo. And it's not just that, it doesn't really matter if the team in the friendly arn't a great team or if there is no rivalry between them, it's just always good to experience playing against different styles of football from countries all over the world.

I'll just have to console myself with the knowledge that at least your average Glaswegian shopper will not be terrorised by visiting hooligans every 4 years!
I don't want to start an arguement with you over this drivel, but that comment is as pathetic as it is deluded, as narrow-mided as it is hypocritcal. Nuff said.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/Multimedia/360degreeInteractiveViews/may2006/default.htm
Now that is friggin amazing! A good find there man, I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Those panos must be really recent, the pitch looks to be at theat stage where they can start laying turf down on it I think. I also think I am right in saying that that last Multiplex report said that the roof covering would be completed in June, so I would imagine the rest of the seating will be laid down after that! The other parts of the satdium are looking very impressive as well, and a lot of it looks basically complete! Great stuff!

Btw, on the pano that says 'view from the north side of the stadium' if you move the viewer upwards to where the roof is, it looks as though part of it (the part nearest the pitch) is transparent, does anyone know if this is gonna stay like this or whether it is gonna change and be like the rest of the underside of the roof?? It would allow more light if it were transparent!

:cheers:

i don't think there should be a return to the Home nations tournament, because fact is England have bigger fish to fry. seems to me the other nations are more desperate for England to take part, why not have a tournament with Scotland, wales, NI and even Eire? England have nothing to gain and everything to Lose.

its funny that the Scots think that England think of them as their Main rivals

Why? You play friendlies all the time! What have you got to lose?? You can't play big nations all the time!! One game a year, what's the problem? Are you chicken or something!! baccck buk buk buk buuuukkkkk

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6003/untitledwem6ao.jpg

:runaway:

Why? You play friendlies all the time! What have you got to lose?? You can't play big nations all the time!! One game a year, what's the problem? Are you chicken or something!! baccck buk buk buk buuuukkkkk

so desperate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/images/back_to_basics/chicken_300x193.jpg

Nah not really a fan of chicken, prefer beef

I bet you do!!

A hot beef injection!

why don't the other home nations including ROI start their own home nations tournament every other year, would be great

I ain't playing no paddies!! Wales and N.Ireland fine, but no paddies, my driveway is already tarmacked without them turning up!

i thought the scots like the Irish(well the majority anyway)

I'm watching 'England Away' on More4 right now - its about England fans travelling around Europe to watch football. Focussing on their bad rep: "In the early 70s fans of clubs from Liverpool and Manchester literally robbed their way across Europe, stealing clothes, jewellery, anything they could get their hands on to sell to pay for their next trip!"

Some of the footage is mental - puts England's current crop of hooligans to shame!

i thought the scots like the Irish(well the majority anyway)

In a word......NO!! It's Northern Ireland we like -


http://orangenet.org/loiusa/1690Banner.GIF


http://www.slusa.co.uk/index.php4

robbed their way across Europe, stealing clothes, jewellery, anything they could get their hands on to sell


it's modern day celtic!!!!!

I'm watching 'England Away' on More4 right now - its about England fans travelling around Europe to watch football. Focussing on their bad rep: "In the early 70s fans of clubs from Liverpool and Manchester literally robbed their way across Europe, stealing clothes, jewellery, anything they could get their hands on to sell to pay for their next trip!"

Some of the footage is mental - puts England's current crop of hooligans to shame!

i worry about you, watching programmes which are pro-scottish(that 1967 thingy) and anti-english(above). do you actually pick them out from the T.V guide?

In a word......NO!! It's Northern Ireland we like -


http://orangenet.org/loiusa/1690Banner.GIF


http://www.slusa.co.uk/index.php4

but after scotland u would probably support Eire right

i don't think there should be a return to the Home nations tournament, because fact is England have bigger fish to fry. seems to me the other nations are more desperate for England to take part, why not have a tournament with Scotland, wales, NI and even Eire? England have nothing to gain and everything to Lose.

its funny that the Scots think that England think of them as their Main rivals
Oh dear. The English see the Germans as their rivals, the Germans probably find that fairly amusing. Tell me out of the last 6 friendlies England have played, other than Argentina where are these big fish?

I can't even remember the last 6 teams you've played, but the ones I can remember were hardly world beaters. :bash:

Oh dear. The English see the Germans as their rivals, the Germans probably find that fairly amusing. Tell me out of the last 6 friendlies England have played, other than Argentina where are these big fish?

I can't even remember the last 6 teams you've played, but the ones I can remember were hardly world beaters. :bash:

wots ur point?

i worry about you, watching programmes which are pro-scottish(that 1967 thingy) and anti-english(above). do you actually pick them out from the T.V guide?

This prog isn't anti English. Its a factual documentary. And the 67 game was a dvd - it came with the News of the World on Sunday!

And both beat watching "who stole the world cup" and all the usual 66 inspired crap.

Germany is England's rival?????????? More like Greece!!


Germany have won 6 major tournaments and been in 12 finals (the last was 4 years ago)
Italy have won 4 major tournaments and been in 7 finals (the last was 6 years ago)
France have won 3 major tournaments and been in 3 finals (the last was 6 years ago)
Netherlands have won 1 major tournament and been in 3 finals (the last was 18 years ago)
Czechoslovakia have won 1 major tournament and been in 3 finals (the last was 30 years ago)
Spain have won 1 major tournament and been in 2 finals (the last was 22 years ago)
Greece have won 1 major tournament and been in 1 final (the last was 2 years ago)
Denmark have won 1 major tournament and been in 1 final (the last was 14 years ago)
England have won 1 major tournament and been in 1 final (the last was 40 years ago!!!)

I haven't even taken into account South America!!

This prog isn't anti English. Its a factual documentary. And the 67 game was a dvd - it came with the News of the World on Sunday!

And both beat watching "who stole the world cup" and all the usual 66 inspired crap.

you know what i mean, your actually going out of your way to watch programmes such as these to feed your rather :bash: opinons on things

but after scotland u would probably support Eire right

I would even support England before Eire!!

wots ur point?
My point being these will be the only big fish you'll be frying!

http://www.uknet.net/showcase/BritishFood/fish_chips1.sized.jpg

Germany is England's rival?????????? More like Greece!!


Germany have won 6 major tournaments and been in 12 finals (the last was 4 years ago)
Italy have won 4 major tournaments and been in 7 finals (the last was 6 years ago)
France have won 3 major tournaments and been in 3 finals (the last was 6 years ago)
Netherlands have won 1 major tournament and been in 3 finals (the last was 18 years ago)
Czechoslovakia have won 1 major tournament and been in 3 finals (the last was 30 years ago)
Spain have won 1 major tournament and been in 2 finals (the last was 22 years ago)
Greece have won 1 major tournament and been in 1 final (the last was 2 years ago)
Denmark have won 1 major tournament and been in 1 final (the last was 14 years ago)
England have won 1 major tournament and been in 1 final (the last was 40 years ago!!!)

I haven't even taken into account South America!!

so Scotland isn't England's main rival? right.

I would even support England before Eire!!

now ur just being ridiculous

so Scotland isn't England's main rival? right.

In terms of football quality, obviously no, but if you add that spice of historic political conflict, then it certainly raises it up to a very interesting clash!!

I'll just have to console myself with the knowledge that at least your average Glaswegian shopper will not be terrorised by visiting hooligans every 4 years!

I don't want to start an arguement with you over this drivel, but that comment is as pathetic as it is deluded, as narrow-mided as it is hypocritcal. Nuff said.


England fans have run riot in Sauchiehall Street and terrorised many a shopper, ask Bubomb - he'll confirm it. (=I am not deluded),

I do not terrorise Glasgow shoppers (= I am not a hypocrite)

Nuff said?

In terms of football quality, obviously no, but if you add that spice of historic political conflict, then it certainly raises it up to a very interesting clash!!

you know, you are starting to sound more mature then socrates nowadays :runaway:

I was a small young lad and had to hide in HMV whilst England fans ran about punching any young boy who was wearing a Scotland top!! They even attacked women! Animals!

I'm going to get revenge in Germany in 2 weeks, i'm going to do The Dashing White Sergeant on some cockneys face!!

I was a small young lad and had to hide in HMV whilst England fans ran about punching any young boy who was wearing a Scotland top!! They even attacked women! Animals!

I'm going to get revenge in Germany in 2 weeks, i'm going to do the The Dashing White Sergeant on some cockneys face!!

i spoke too soon :sleepy:

[to manbags]you know, you are starting to sound more mature then socrates nowadays :runaway:
And in the very next post...

I'm going to get revenge in Germany in 2 weeks, i'm going to do the The Dashing White Sergeant on some cockneys face!!

Yes - you couldn't make it up. Words of wisdom indeed! Its all guud gets more insightful by the day!

And in the very next post...



Yes - you couldn't make it up. Words of wisdom indeed! Its all guud gets more insightful by the day!

well i did say i spoke too soon in the very next thread, no need to rub it in

or maybe the Highland Barn Dance!!

I was typing that out at the same time as you were. Your reply appeared about 6 seconds before mine, otherwise zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Never mind. My maturity has nothing to do with Wembley anyway, so back on topic please!

Wembley - it's a stadium!!

well if you look at the timings my post appeared about 2 mins b4 yours though, socrates

tin opener!

Could have been as little as 61 seconds though.

C...R...E...T...I...N

Could have been as little as 61 seconds though.

C...R...E...T...I...N

which is more than 6 seconds as you previously put it :rofl:

Stooooooooooooooooppppppppppppp!! Holy sweet mother of abe lincoln, this has got nothing to do with Wembley stadium, so stop spamming up the thread with this irrelevant bitching! Manbags, I thought you'd got banned...anyway, you're heading for another banning if you keep this sh*t up. Seth, you can occassionaly come out with a constructive and inciteful comment, but more often then not these days it has nothing to do with the thread it is in and often reaks of being anti-English, desguised as being a casual statement, so stop that man. ItsAlLGood, you gotta also stay on topic man, the more you keep arguing and responding to cretins like manbags, the more it's gonna ruin the thread, which is what he wants, so just ignore him and focus on Wembley, ok? Manbags and Seth, you never actually post useful comments on any Wembley thread, and generally relish in posting nonsense, you clearly don't like or have no interest in the stadium, so I think it would be best for everyone if you just didn't come onto this thread anymore.

C...R...E...T...I...N

and wots with all this name calling?? Immature kid

Stooooooooooooooooppppppppppppp!! Holy sweet mother of abe lincoln, this has got nothing to do with Wembley stadium, so stop spamming up the thread with this irrelevant bitching! Manbags, I thought you'd got banned...anyway, you're heading for another banning if you keep this sh*t up. Seth, you can occassionaly come out with a constructive and inciteful comment, but more often then not these days it has nothing to do with the thread it is in and often reaks of being anti-English, desguised as being a casual statement, so stop that man. ItsAlLGood, you gotta also stay on topic man, the more you keep arguing and responding to cretins like manbags, the more it's gonna ruin the thread, which is what he wants, so just ignore him and focus on Wembley, ok? Manbags and Seth, you never actually post useful comments on any Wembley thread, and generally relish in posting nonsense, you clearly don't like or have no interest in the stadium, so I think it would be best for everyone if you just didn't come onto this thread anymore.

OK im sorry man, i hear you :)

My wife called me immature last night when I farted on her elbow!!

Stooooooooooooooooppppppppppppp!! Holy sweet mother of abe lincoln, this has got nothing to do with Wembley stadium, so stop spamming up the thread with this irrelevant bitching! Manbags, I thought you'd got banned...anyway, you're heading for another banning if you keep this sh*t up. Seth, you can occassionaly come out with a constructive and inciteful comment, but more often then not these days it has nothing to do with the thread it is in and often reaks of being anti-English, desguised as being a casual statement, so stop that man. ItsAlLGood, you gotta also stay on topic man, the more you keep arguing and responding to cretins like manbags, the more it's gonna ruin the thread, which is what he wants, so just ignore him and focus on Wembley, ok? Manbags and Seth, you never actually post useful comments on any Wembley thread, and generally relish in posting nonsense, you clearly don't like or have no interest in the stadium, so I think it would be best for everyone if you just didn't come onto this thread anymore.

I post lots of hot stadium shit, it's just late at night and nothing much is happening at Wembley at this time of night! We are relaxing, join in, have a stella, put some Bronski Beat on.

Seth, you can occassionaly come out with a constructive and inciteful comment, but more often then not these days it has nothing to do with the thread it is in and often reaks of being anti-English, desguised as being a casual statement, so stop that man.
I actually own the current England football top and mostly like to see them do well, so any appearance of anti-Englishness is just that.
I do like to be inciteful though :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

Its AlL gUUd - don't take that shit off Jack Rabbit Dim, i'm right behind you son, go on, stick one on him!

Superb Stadium! Can´t see anything better than it in the world. Congratulations England!

My wife called me immature last night when I farted on her elbow!!
You married? :hilarious give my symphathies to the wife,
Seth, was that peas in the fish & chips pic? who the hell eats peas with fish & chips :puke:

anyways, whats the latest on the stadium? doesnt anyone live in wembley? that can take pics from the outside or sumthing, all I have is old people in Wembley & the last time I told them to take a pic of the stadium they thought I was going crazy!

I'm not far (Harrow), I can't be arsed though, gotta wait for a phonecall today, so can't go out.

anyways, whats the latest on the stadium? doesnt anyone live in wembley? that can take pics from the outside or sumthing
Well, you just have to look back 2 or 3 pages to see the latest update from Multiplex, which includes lots of pretty recent pictures, these are the most recent of the outside of teh stadium:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wembleymay4.jpg

And this link posted by Sparks gives you the best controllable panoramic viewers of the inside of the stadium; if you haven't already done so, I strongly reccomend you check them out:

http://www.wembleystadium.com/Multimedia/360degreeInteractiveViews/may2006/default.htm

Other then that, have a look at the Wembley stadium webcams on the official site.


all I have is old people in Wembley & the last time I told them to take a pic of the stadium they thought I was going crazy!
Well you probably shoudn't have approached them wearing all those body piercings and a spiked punk haircut...just an idea maybe ;)

:cheers:

^^Thanx Jacko but I have seen these already, but thanx for taking the time to post them again, & 1. I dont have body piercings, the punk haircut.........u judge, & I havent been to london...yet, my "old" releatives live in wembley, & I spoke to them over the phone & they dont have 3g so i doubt they saw my punk hair cut ;)

I actually own the current England football top and mostly like to see them do well, so any appearance of anti-Englishness is just that.

a couple of my rangers mates have england tops because we sing the british national anthem before we play. also we're up against larsson in a couple of weeks and they want to see him hurt.

may pics from wembleystadium.com:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1284/aerialbig15zp.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8445/southbig11pi.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8429/bowlbig14ka.jpg

Can someone answer me this; at times, are there going to parts of the stadium, at each end, that don't have any roofing over them, when the stadium is finished?

convert wembley into the olympic stadium for london 2012. im a big fan of the proposed design of the 2010 olympic stadium rendering...but a back up plan might be to use wembley if there are problems with the construction of the olympic stadium...wembley can be converted into an athletics venue and im sure the costs of that will be lower than the costs of constructing a new stadium..

Can someone answer me this; at times, are there going to parts of the stadium, at each end, that don't have any roofing over them, when the stadium is finished?

its retractable so in sunny weather yes the roof will be open in places, this means that there arent massive shadows on the pitch which is annoying when trying to follow the match and is even more annyoying when watching it on tv

obviosuly if it is raining they will close that part of the roof ensuring the spectators are kept dry, if you look in the top right corner of the last pic you can see the roof on the wheel which runs along the roof support

call me stupid...but what is the purpose of those two portions of the roof retracting..?? i dont get it..why not just leave them there without them retracting..?

call me stupid...but what is the purpose of those two portions of the roof retracting..?? i dont get it..why not just leave them there without them retracting..?

read my other post 2 places above for the answer to that about shadows, also it helps improve the pitch quality if more natural light can reach the pitch and also it allows more air to reach the pitch which well help in ensuring the quality of the pitch is kept high.

look at the example of the san siro of what happens when a roof covers most of the pitch, the groundsmen there quit there job not too long ago due to the level of effort required just to keep the pitch in an "acceptable" state

http://kazz7.air-nifty.com/tekito/images/Stadio_San_Siro.jpg

read my other post 2 places above for the answer to that about shadows, also it helps improve the pitch quality if more natural light can reach the pitch and also it allows more air to reach the pitch which well help in ensuring the quality of the pitch is kept high.

look at the example of the san siro of what happens when a roof covers most of the pitch, the groundsmen there quit there job not too long ago due to the level of effort required just to keep the pitch in an "acceptable" state

http://kazz7.air-nifty.com/tekito/images/Stadio_San_Siro.jpg

the roof of the San Siro does not cover any of the pitch, that google image is 'sloped'. However, very little light gets on to the San Siro pitch due to the roof height compared to pitch level.

That doesn't make any sense. The satellite that took the photos for google earth must be about 150m above the earth, and so should only be able to look straight down. It should be an exact bird's eye view of everything, and nothing should be skewed or sloped, unless it is on a hill or some other geographical anomoly.

But, you can see in the San Siro photo some of the seats on one side of the stadium, meaning the camera is at an angle.

I'll have to get on the case

http://www.sherlock-holmes.co.uk/image-search/bill_gates.gif

Ibrox is also warped and 'sloped' in 2 directions on google earth!! 100% of the seats at Ibrox are undercover, but not on this image!!! You can even see the Govan stand facade sloping upwards!

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8431/ibrox49zq.jpg

Google earth doesnot look 100% directely at an object u monkeys, its a high quality digital 100 mega pixel camera that takes high quality pictures of a large area, hence making some object look skew, so dont worry the San Siro is not leaning over.

see, move the angle to see it prop.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6002/wembley3jz.jpg

someone should really go clean the webcams, or the windows that are protecting the webcams!
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6216/webcam4na.jpg

http://commissionair.co.uk/aerialpics/800pix/Wembley%20may06_800.jpg

^^ Wow! They're really progressing on the roof, the report said that that the roof cladding should be finished in June, so this seems about right. Also, I could just be imagining it, but it looks like they have installed more of the bottom tier seating from when I last saw it...hard to tell though.

:cheers:

Whoever it was that said this stadium would be ready for May must have been smoking crack.

Crack is Whack

May 2007 will be lucky...what a pathetic shambles!

[QUOTE=Durbsboi]You married? who the hell eats peas with fish & chips :puke:
QUOTE]

Erm, lots of us. In my neck of the woods, the peas have to be mushy and theres always the option of a bit of gravy. I guess it may seem odd from outside but it's just the way it is. Don't knock it until you've tried it!

It's a nightmare ordering fish & chips in London, no gravy, shit peas. As Peter Kay said, "Has tha nowt moist?!"


Anyway, great pics of Wembley. I have to say I think all this stuff about matches not being scheduled there until 2007 is just a bit of news management, brought about by the criticism of missing the last deadline. I can understand it: if you're going to get flayed in public, you might as well make it worse than it seems now to risk the same thing happening again.

Now they've really lowered expectations, they can surprise us all by announcing a friendly there in November.

I'd like to see a rotation of one-off home international matches (a whole tournament is probably out of the question now) in odd years when there's no Euro's or World Cup. With alternating venues, it could be that we would only then go to Hampden every 12 years, which wouldn't be too big a deal for security. I do miss the tours though...

^^ As I've said before, I read somehwere that all England internationals will be played at Wembley till sometime in the decade of 2030, to ensure that the money is repayed.

I reckon they'll most likely have the World Cup games (or possibly just the England matches) on the big tv screens inside the stadium for the builders to watch like they did with the FA Cup final...I'll become a builder for the day so I can see the football on big screen!! :D Less then 20 hours to go people!

:cheers:

Erm, lots of us. In my neck of the woods, the peas have to be mushy and theres always the option of a bit of gravy. I guess it may seem odd from outside but it's just the way it is. Don't knock it until you've tried it!

It's a nightmare ordering fish & chips in London, no gravy, shit peas. As Peter Kay said, "Has tha nowt moist?!"...

True that, dont dis it if you havent eaten it! guess I must give a try, like when I was on Hilday in East London (in SA) this place made chicken, mayo, cheese, chille, mushroom, bacon, gerkin, onion & cheese sauce toasted sandwhiche, I was like wtf :? but when I tasted it I couldnt get enough of it!

As for Wembley, yep the roof is looking good & being in the construction world my self, its now early June, I dont see it being ready by December let alone November!

I'd guess the main desiding factors on construction are going to be internal now as IMHO the roof rather than the stands/seats was the holdup externally.

From that multiplex brochure, the internals look More or less complete.

Best stadium in the world! :cheers:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6216/webcam4na.jpg

I like the external cladding now ;)

Dam, I wish they had a webcam on th inside of the stadium, so we could see the turf being laid!!! Poor show Wembley webcam dudes....ah well, I guess we'll see the pics when they release the June update next month....

6 hours 22 minutes till the World Cup starts!!! AHhhh!!

:cheers:

6 hours :? the opeining ceremony starts in half an hour bro

The Arc restaurant still looks a little way off completion. I expect Multiplex will extend the deadline to July 31st when they make their next update.

A small video of Wembley from a train on the national rail line going into London. It shows the scale of the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1apqvz9NVGM&search=wembley

6 hours :? the opeining ceremony starts in half an hour bro
Yer, that was my bad, got the times mixed up :)
A small video of Wembley from a train on the national rail line going into London. It shows the scale of the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1apqvz9NVGM&search=wembley
Whoa, this stadium really is massive!! It is impossible to really judge how big it is from the close up shots of the stadium, it's only when you see it from far away that you realise how much it dominates the landscape!

:cheers:

The majority owner and founder of Multiplex popped his clogs the other day. He was really looking forward to seeing Wembley finished too.

A small video of Wembley from a train on the national rail line going into London. It shows the scale of the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1apqvz9NVGM&search=wembley

It looks even more impressive from the metropolian line onto of that little ridge.

The majority owner and founder of Multiplex popped his clogs the other day. He was really looking forward to seeing Wembley finished too.
Well duh, he has too, its way of its deadline anyway!

Turf Pitches up at Wembley

The first strips of turf will be laid today (Monday 12 th June) at the new Wembley Stadium as construction of the pitch reaches its final stages. The new Wembley is set to be a state-of the art venue offering fans and players an unmatchable experience and the playing surface will be its centre piece.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/pressbox/pressReleases/turfstory

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3474367.stm

"The project, now well under way, will result in a national stadium for football and rugby, with provision for staging major athletics events. "

- I wasn't aware there was ever any provision to allow the egg chasers to use the new stadium?

Rugby was played at the old Wembley.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3474367.stm

"The project, now well under way, will result in a national stadium for football and rugby, with provision for staging major athletics events. "

- I wasn't aware there was ever any provision to allow the egg chasers to use the new stadium?

they've played the rugby league challenge cup final there since 1928, give or take the odd year, so it's not surprising.

Wembley Stadium Turf Facts

- Grasses used for football pitches have been researched and developed by turf growers over the last 30-years

- Wembley Stadium's turf is being developed by the Sports Turf Research Institute (STRI), experts in turf grass research and agronomy

- The grasses for Wembley Stadium have been selected from 250 different varieties undergoing testing by the stadium's turf consultant STRI

- The grasses are evaluated for appearance and strength

- Each square metre of turf will contain 150,000 to 200,000 leaf blades

- The grass roots are the most important part of the turf ensuring a firm and stable playing surface

- To help the grass roots maintain stability fine polypropylene fibres 35mm long have been mixed into the growing medium. Best described as "hairy sand" there are approximately 1.6 million fibres in each square metre of the fibre sand pitch

- The growing medium for the pitch contains approximately 95% sand for good drainage

- The pitch is not just made up of the turf but incorporates an underlying web of heating and drainage pipes as well as 5 levels of materials including – crushed stone, gravel, grit, sand and a sand/soil/fibre blend

- The pitch construction will aid the ventilation and drainage of the turf

- It will be possible for approximately 50,000 gallons of water to drain through the completed pitch in one hour

...................

Great news that the turf is being laid down.....being brought in, in approximately 25 lorry loads from this secret location somehwere in England where they have been growing it. By the sounds of it, this is gonna be the best dam pitch in any stadium anywhere in the world! Can't wait to see this months set of photos....stupid outdoor webcams....ah well, it's gonna look awesum inside Wembley now with the turf laid down!

:cheers:

The turf originally intended for Wembley went to Dunfermline Athletic instead when they replaced their astro turf pitch, at the beginning of the 2005-06 season.

http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/d/dunfermline_athletic/4669907.stm

And to be honest, it looked like every other rectangular patch of grass I've ever seen.

Is the technology (used for the grass) the same as that being used at the Emirates?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41757000/jpg/_41757764_turf203_pa.jpg

LOL, it would be funny if they have a hose ban in london due to the drout some parts of england are experiencing, how will they water the grass???
sugession the workers dont need to use the toilets, just pee on the grass :rofl:

LOL, it would be funny if they have a hose ban in london due to the drout some parts of england are experiencing, how will they water the grass???
sugession the workers dont need to use the toilets, just pee on the grass :rofl:

or they could just store rain water

^^That aint fun
or they could just store rain water

Hmm ya collect rain water during a drout............clever

LOL, it would be funny if they have a hose ban in london due to the drout some parts of england are experiencing, how will they water the grass???
sugession the workers dont need to use the toilets, just pee on the grass :rofl:

Does anyone have Barry Fry's phone number?

Who's Barry Fry :?

^^That aint fun


Hmm ya collect rain water during a drout............clever

well it rained today in the morning, the drought is more to do with the fact that there has been low rainfall for the past 2 years, but London in general gets less rain then the rest of the country

^^oh ok, only hear about it in the news, you know how some media make the problem bigger than it seems

Who's Barry Fry :?

A manager, when he was in charge of Brum City he pissed in all four corners of the ground at midnight to try and break a gypsy curse.

Webcams seem to be broken.

I think its great we will have a national stadium but a shame because that will probably mean England will cease to tour the country, which has been fantastic for drumming up support nationwide.

I think that as a result, the national support for england has to be the best in europe

A manager, when he was in charge of Brum City he pissed in all four corners of the ground at midnight to try and break a gypsy curse.
LOL, now thats funny :hilarious, gypsy curse! :rofl: