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PERMANENT SEATING BOWL SEATS FOR ATHLETICS
Lower tier: 12,628
Mid tier: 14,298
Boxes: 2,236
Upper tier: 68,401

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BTW
distanca stand pitch is 9-17m


ADDITIONAL SEATING OPTION
An investigation was undertaken to explore the possibility of increasing the seating capacity above 68,400 with the platform in place. An additional 1,600 seats can be added on temporary seating decks constructed on and between the wheelchair seating platforms. Three rows are proposed that extend approximately 50 percent of the way around the seating bowl. These seats provide good sight lines to the track and infield because they are elevated above the existing seating bowl. The wheelchair platforms and the seating sections between them are located at the edge of the raised platform and are unusable with the platform in place. Provisions for disabled spectators and wheelchair users are made elsewhere in the stadium.


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Its gonna be the best stadium ever!!!

My sentaments exactly, only I just wish they could have designed it to be a 100,000 seater stadium.

The big question is though when will it host the next World Cup, 2010 is South Africa, 2014 will probably be Brazil, so I'm hoping for 2018.

My sentaments exactly, only I just wish they could have designed it to be a 100,000 seater stadium.

The big question is though when will it host the next World Cup, 2010 is South Africa, 2014 will probably be Brazil, so I'm hoping for 2018.

Resign yourself to 2022, as FIFA probably won't be able to resist giving it to China.

Then if we do get it in 2018, it will be a pleasant surprise.

There are a ton of stadiums with the same amenities. I'm not saying it won't be the best, but without knowledge of what else is out there, how do you know? I remember the big deal made about Stade de France back during the world cup and its amenities, but I was thinking to myself, aren't there a lot of stadia with the same amenities?

And its the home of the England football team :yes:

There are a ton of stadiums with the same amenities. I'm not saying it won't be the best, but without knowledge of what else is out there, how do you know? I remember the big deal made about Stade de France back during the world cup and its amenities, but I was thinking to myself, aren't there a lot of stadia with the same amenities?

No there are no other stadiums that will be on par to the new Wembley - that is why it will be so special. Every seat will be under cover, without affecting TV coverage or the quality of the turf - no other stadium in the history of the world to date has used digital technology to map and design the whole stadium to very strict variables. No other building in the world will have as many toilets as the new Wembley!

My god man - this is the largest stadium ever constructed. It will be 2.4x LARGER in accomodation area (sq m) than the Stade de France, It will also be 1.73x larger than Stadium Australia and 3.22x larger than the Sapporo Dome!!!!!

Quite simply put it - this is a temple and the best stadium at that. Nothing will beat it for a LONG time!!!!

Just look at the size comparison of the old stadium:
http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/wembley_crosssection.gif


Scorpion - not long to go, they are preparing to raise the arch which will be the worlds longest single span roof structure in the world (315m) and able to fit the London Eye underneath it!!!!
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Work is ahead of schedule and may I remind you all that this is a national stadium. It aint a football, rugby or anyones stadium. It will only be used for internationals and important cup games. Ya all might be thinking were crazy - but your all be gagging to get in :D

(i played in the old one!!!)

How? Why? When? :) :) :)

No there are no other stadiums that will be on par to the new Wembley - that is why it will be so special. Every seat will be under cover, without affecting TV coverage or the quality of the turf - no other stadium in the history of the world to date has used digital technology to map and design the whole stadium to very strict variables. No other building in the world will have as many toilets as the new Wembley!

My god man - this is the largest stadium ever constructed. It will be 2.4x LARGER in accomodation area (sq m) than the Stade de France, It will also be 1.73x larger than Stadium Australia and 3.22x larger than the Sapporo Dome!!!!!

Quite simply put it - this is a temple and the best stadium at that. Nothing will beat it for a LONG time!!!!



Says who? How can you confirm these facts that there is no other stadium with the things you say?

Would you please refrain from delivering such facts about Wembley because there are Americans that might read them and have to accept the idea that there could be a stadium in England as impressive as any found in the USA.A nervous breakdown could possibly ensue and we dont need to spread misery. cheers. :cheers:

^I guess. I'm just saying, We've read a lot of 'facts' about what a lot of places have. I'm just looking for specifics. If it's the best, its the best. I have no beef with that. If you'll notice I never claim any American stadium as the world's best. That's a big title that would require knowing a lot about a lot of places in the world. I could say best in the NFL or MLB though.

BUT,

No there are no other stadiums that will be on par to the new Wembley - that is why it will be so special. Every seat will be under cover, without affecting TV coverage or the quality of the turf - no other stadium in the history of the world to date has used digital technology to map and design the whole stadium to very strict variables. No other building in the world will have as many toilets as the new Wembley!



what's this mean? What exactly differentiates it besides being large? QX sound system? Hi Definition display systems? That's all I'm saying. Mostly I've gotten a bunch of disparaging remarks about our sports and how cheesy our architecture is. The Cowboys new stadium($1+ billion) is to be officially announced in the next couple of days. Now if I come on here and pronounce it as far and away the best stadium ever, then don't you think the folks proclaiming Wembley as the best will have a cow!!!?!?!?!?

PROOF?

The following figures all taken from http://www.wembleystadium.com


Facts and Figures

1. With 90,000 seats the new Wembley will be the largest football stadium in the world with every seat under cover. There will be NO obstructed views.

2. The arch is 133 metres above the level of the external concourse.

3. The stadium roof rises to 52 metres above the pitch. This compares to the 35 metres tall Twin Towers of the old stadium.

4. The new Wembley has a circumference of 1 km.

5. The London Eye could fit between the top of the arch and the pitch.

6. The new roof will be over 11 acres. Four acres are moveable.

7. The rows of seating, if placed end to end, would stretch 54 kilometers.


8. 4,000 separate piles will form the foundations of the new stadium. The deepest of these, at 35 metres, is as deep as the Twin Towers were tall.

9. There will be 35 miles of heavy-duty power cables in the stadium.

10. With a span of 315 Metres, the arch will be the longest single span roof structure in the world.

11. With a diameter of 7.4 metres the arch is wide enough for a Channel Tunnel train to run through.

12. 90,000m3 of concrete and 23,000 tonnes of steel will be used in the construction of the new stadium.

13. The roof alone will weigh almost 7,000 tonnes.

14. At peak construction there will be 1,500 people working on site.

15. The new pitch will be 4 metres lower than the previous pitch.

16. Each of the two giant screens in new stadium is the size of 600 domestic television sets.

17. The new Wembley encloses 4,000,000 m3 (cubic metres) inside its walls and under its roof. This is the equivalent of 25,000 double decker buses or 7 billion pints of milk.

18. The total length of the escalators will be the same as a 400 metre running track.

19. There will be 2000 toilets - which WNSL estimate is more than any other building in the world.

20. There is more leg room in EVERY seat in the new Wembley Stadium than there was in the Royal Box of the old stadium.

Key Features

Athletics

Though designed primarily for football, rugby and music events, the new Wembley Stadium is also capable of hosting world-class athletic events.

A revolutionary solution has been developed to ensure that both football and athletics fans can enjoy perfect views, thanks to a temporary athletics platform that can be installed when necessary.

If Wembley is required to host a major athletics event, the prefabricated platform can be built over the lower bowl, covering some of the seats but creating the increased surface needed to fit an athletics track. The platform will take just a few weeks to install and remove, making Wembley a versatile, multi-sport venue.

There has been significant progress on securing land for a potential athletics warm-up facility after discussions with the London Borough of Brent. Four possible sites have been identified, with Sherrins Farm likely to prove the most deliverable solution.

The platform solution is very similar to the current proposals for the New York Olympic bid.


The Arch

The most striking highly visible feature of the new stadium will obviously be the 133 metre tall arch that sits above the north stand. The steel arch is 315 metres long and will become the longest single roof structure in the world. It will be visible right across London.

The arch supports all of the weight of the north roof and 60 per cent of the weight of the southern side. By using an arch to bear some of the weight of the southern roof it is possible to retract the south roof to allow light and air onto the pitch.

The arch also ensures that there are no pillars in the new stadium which could obstruct the views of fans.

The Sliding Roof and the Pitch

One of the key challenges of the design team was to keep the famously high standard of the Wembley pitch while, at the same time, designing a stadium with stands that are higher and closer to the pitch than the original stadium and give better uninterrupted views.

Many new stadia have suffered from poor pitches as the stands in the stadia can leave large sections of the pitch in almost permanent shadow. Grass demands direct sunlight to grow effectively.

For this reason, the sliding roof remains an integral part of the design for the new Wembley. Options such as a palletised pitch (moving a patchwork pitch in and out of the Stadium between events) or regularly re-laying the pitch were rejected as inappropriate for Wembley.

Instead, computer models have been made of air movement and sunlight on the existing pitch and the unique moving roof designed for the new Stadium.

This will be left open between events but can be moved to line up with the touchline within 15 minutes, ensuring every spectator is sheltered during an event.

A further bonus is an improved TV image for fans watching at home. In bright sunlight the roof can be withdrawn to allow clear TV pictures uninterrupted by heavy shadows on the pitch.

At 3pm on Cup Final day, for instance, only the two southern corner flags will be in shadow.

Royal Box

One of the most recognised features of Wembley is the presentation of trophies from the Royal Box rather than on the pitch. The new Royal Box is in the traditional position - in the middle of the north stand - as in the old Wembley Stadium.

The Bowl

A key feature of the current stadium is that almost all spectators sit in a single bowl rather than four separate stands. This is a central feature of the new design with almost all supporters or concert-goers able to share the event with 90,000 other fans and should contribute to a memorable experience and atmosphere.

The acoustics of the new ground will take the original stadium as a benchmark. Recordings taken during the 1999 FA Cup Final and models of the Stadium created by using three blasts of white noise during the England v Poland game in 2000 will form the basis of sophisticated computer models that will allow the design team to finely tune the acoustics of the new stadium.

The External Concourse

To accommodate an external concourse all around the Stadium, the new building will move 30 metres north, towards Wembley Park Station. This new stadium concourse will make it much easier, and safer, to enter and leave the stadium.

Orientation

The orientation of the Stadium remains east west, with the main faade pointing north down Olympic Way.


Stadium Comparison

*Stadium Capacity @Accommodation Area (sq. m) #Area per seat (m2) £Total Cost +Cost per seat

Wembley *90,000 @173,000 #1.92 £352,603,000 +3,918
Stade de France *80,000 @70,000 #0.88 £266,597,067 +3,332
Stadium Australia *80,000 @100,000 #1.25 £278,897,627 +3,468
Munich (new) *66,000 @- #- £248,239,862 +3,761
Arena Aufschalke *51,000 @58,796 #1.15 £180,432,432 +3,538
Sapporo Dome *42,122 @53,800 #1.28 £245,959,091 +5,839
Washington State *72,000 @- #- £359,642,567 +4,995
Denver *76,125 @- #- £338,503,518 +4,447
Cincinnatti *66,000 @- #- £275,875,744 +4,180

So in other words its a gonna be a great stadium. Thank you for the facts.

BUT, that is not proof of it being the world's greatest stadium, but proof of it being pretty cool with some amenities mentioned. Things like the single bowl(very common in new MLB baseball stadia to give walking perspective views) or shadow reducing design have been done before.

With 90,000 seats the new Wembley will be the largest football stadium in the world with every seat under cover. There will be NO obstructed views. This will be the quantifiable record beating out the Pontiac Silverdome(85,000) and Louisiana Superdome(83,000) though they are actually domes and not retractable roof stadia. I imagine JerryWorld will hold that record next. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't sound fantastic. It does and you guys should be very proud. But there are comparable places out there amenities, technologically and design wise. It's not the run away that its being made out to be.

All the facilities at new Wembley will be 2nd to none and combined with 90,000 seats, I think its fair to say it will be the best in the world, however I dont think it does Wembley justice to focus just on that.

What I like about Wembley is

-The fact, that it will be rarely used, and technically isnt needed!
No club will stage home games there.It will be the home of England and club finals, where you have to earn the right to get there.(but essentially such games could just be played at club grounds as they are almost everywhere else)
just 10 miles south of wembley another 82,000stadium is being expanded and a 60,000 stadium 10 miles east, even though the matches to be played there could easily fill wembley, but it will not be allowed. Frankly, I dont think that would do in the US.Litterally billions wasted.
Last week two London clubs played a euro quarter final. 200,000 tickets could easily have been sold, worldwide tv-audience far exceeded anything american sport could ever dream of, yet had wembley been ready again, the game would not be staged there.

-The fact that it will have a sliding roof just for the sake of the pitch for which the Old Wembley was so famous.It will not cover the field because football should be outdoors.
-The arch, which will look fantastic when fully lit for night games.

But basically , I dont think americans understand what Wembley is all about.
Its incredibly famous and known everywhere (except the US, really) why would Pele from Brazil refer to it the way he does, and he never played there!
football was invented in England and its club game is the most widely followed around the world.

Try a test of stadium name recognition, wembley will just be so far ahead, that its no contest.

If the US should have something that could compare, then imagine the super bowl always being played at the same stadium. and the college super bowl (if there is such a thing) also played there, and further imagine that american football was the worlds biggest sport and a team USA played all their home games at this stadium, then it might compare.

Rantanamo - no stadium has as of yet used digital technology and the likes for stadium design. There is no stadium in the world that can say they have the exact same audio signature of the previous stadium. The new Wembley will - and that is why it was so famous, its atmosphere not only as a football stadium but as a music venue (remember Live Aid). It aint the Church of Football for no reason ya know.

What building on the planet has 2,000 toilets? It goes beyond what every other stadium has done in the past. That is why it is a runaway, because it is not doing the bog-standard stadium job like every other stadium.

Kingdomca - this stadium is not being paid by the tax payer, but a private company. This stadium will be the undisputed champion and dont worry Rantanamo - I find it hard to digest its impressiveness ;)

Rantanamo - everyone will have a different view on which stadium they think is the best in the World. And until the new Wembley is finished we wont truly be able to judge it. But from the facts we have been given, and all the renderings that have been released this stadium looks like it will be a very strong contender for the best stadiun in the world, But not only for its impressive facts and sheer size, but also for what wembley represents, every professional footballer in the world will have heard of wembley and most will long for the day that they get to play in it, it really is the holy grail of football.

The Uk deserves have a moment of pride, this project is ahead of schedule, its being funded by private investment (not tax), its a stunning piece of architecture in its own right. Every other major project in the Uk gets attacted for being over budget, over schedule, outdated, plagued by little englander NIMBY's e.t.c.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/photo_diary.htm
Latest pic
http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/april2004/293T2198.jpg

the new wembley should be compared to the vatican not other stadiums. this will be the true home of the greatest sport ever. this is my church.

What happens when anyone says that your "church" looks quite ugly? ;)

Fascinating project anyway!

your not looking at the construction pics are you sebastian??

Although it should've been built in Birmingham ;) ... it is truely the Holy Grail of Football.

everyone around the world wants to play at wembley. you had players signing for English teams Just for the prospect to play a cup final at the Temple.

Americans have never really got the jist that there might be something outside of thier country that is worth recognising ... but if there was something we would like you to take notice of, it would be wembley.

wake up, look at the facts. the old Wembley was the best stadium in the world, even with the Stade De France, and thier only making it better, ... so i think you know where my arguments going.

Time for an update for Wembley Stadium!!!!


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Getting along nicely aint it :)



Ashburton Grove is coming along nicely - but unfortunately I can't link the images :(

yeah what a nice stadium, but sorry to disappoint some biased views, it wont be the best football stadium in europe, nou camp will hold the title anyway. thats what i think and im neither english nor spanish, so you can trust me

who knows. though i still need to see wembley completed to judge it decently

wow looks impressive.
I enjoy the next game against germany there :-)

Today was the day when the arch started to rise

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/3756065.stm


The first stage of inching the huge arch that will be the centrepiece of the new Wembley Stadium into place began on Friday.
The 2,000-tonne structure is being slowly lifted off the ground, but it will not be in its final position for another five or six weeks.

Designers say that when the 440ft tall arch is in place it will be able to be seen across London.

The raising of the arch was delayed in March after tests showed weak spots.

'Quality assurance checks'

Computer tests found welding faults and problems with the concrete foundations.

Multiplex Construction UK, the contractor for the Wembley Stadium project, said the defects were discovered during "quality assurance checks".

The stadium remains on target to open in 2006.

The 2006 FA Cup Final is set to be the first match played there when it opens.

As ever you can keep track of the wembley development by visiting either of the below webcams.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/webcam3.htm

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/webcam2.htm

Nou camp best then new wembley? Why? It may be fantastic stadium, i'm not saying it isn't. ;)
My point is that only a newly built, massive stadium, with the most modern features and, could ever compete with this new Wembley.

Wembley (AKA - the home of Football)

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/daylight_aerial.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/hi_res_03.jpg

I think alot of people don't realise Wembley is called the home of Football, Temple etc is because England is the home of football, and Wembley is England's national stadium

The Cowboys new stadium($1+ billion) is to be officially announced in the next couple of days. Now if I come on here and pronounce it as far and away the best stadium ever, then don't you think the folks proclaiming Wembley as the best will have a cow!!!?!?!?!?

The Cowboys will not be moving to Fair Park anytime soon. The bill was rejected. Thankfully.

In any case the project looked mediocre. 75,000 seats and the dimensions of the stadium were not much bigger then Ashburton Grove (Arsenal)

The reason people get excited about Wembley is because of the love that the English have for football and for Wembley in particular. It's HUGE! Far, far bigger than anything esle on earth. If it had the same 'seating density' as Stade de France it would seat 170,000! And Stade de France is currently the stadium by which all others are judged.

I actually calculated that if the new Wembley retained the 173,00sq.m accomodation area, but then took the accomodation area seats from the Stade de France (70,000sq.m - 80,000), the new Wembley could seat some....................197,714!!!!!!!!!!

i remember reading an article somwhere that in the future they could increase the seadting density of the lower tier of wembley to give it a 110,000 capacity... if the demand was there, highly unlikely it will happen though

Here are some more renderings from the best stadium around! :cheers:

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/hires/corp.jpg
http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/hires/premie.jpg
http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/hires/gold.jpg
http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/hires/club.jpg
http://www.wembleystadium.com/staticcontent/3dseatviewer/images/view_east.jpg
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The Old Wembley:

The Winning World Cup Goal of 1966:
http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/images/pictures/1966_winning_goal.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ic.ic/pic66e.jpg

PC George Scorey and his white horse Billy successfully contain a crowd of 250,000 in the 1923 Cup Final:
http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/images/pictures/white_horse_final.jpg

Live Aid 1985:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/flaky/liveaid.JPG

Olympics 1948:
http://www.olympics.org.uk/Library/OC.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39226000/jpg/_39226949_bbcwembley_bbc.jpg

it will be a fantastic stadium and of course the biggest of the United Kingdom;)

No other building in the world will have as many toilets as the new Wembley!


you're really obsessed with toilets

Dr. Dubai - this will be the biggest footie stadium in the world! Its accomodation area is 173,000sq.m, now compare that to the Stade de France which is 70,000sq.m - this thing is a giant of epic proportions :yes: its nearly 2.5x the size of the Stade de France but with only 10,000 more seats. I don't really know how I can really say much more than that :yes:


Scar - well have you never had to wait for ages for a urinal :lol: The new Wembley sorts that problem. 1 toilet to evey 45 fans :lol:

Last Night, following victory over Croatia

http://www.thefa.com/NR/rdonlyres/1E635951-7264-4B7B-9829-187F10267B65/35094/WembleyArchLight.jpg

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsFromTheFA/Postings/2004/06/Wembley_Arch_light.htm

Cardiff could still be used for FA Cup semi finals every year.Also its must be only a matter of time before its used to host a European Champions league final.

The FA are gonna use Wembley as much as they can, they have invested alot of money into it, so Cardiff won't get a look in

It's HUGE! Far, far bigger than anything esle on earth. If it had the same 'seating density' as Stade de France it would seat 170,000!
Then why don't they??? This isn't a multiplex cinema or business class on a 747 we're talking about here - you don't go to a football match for legroom, you go for atmosphere. Imagine what that stadium would be like with 170,000 fans tightly packed into the space, particularly if the acoustics are as good as people seem to think they will be.

Too much space is a bad thing in a football ground anyway (there's nothing worse than a half-empty stadium, is there, and who wants to be needlessly far away from the pitch?) and if this space is at the expense of an extra 70,000 punters then that's just wrong. It looks pointedly elitist to me - keeping the masses out to make it more attractive to the prawn sandwich types.

(Arch looks great, though - saw it from the North Circular for the first time last weekend - fucking enormous)

The FA are gonna use Wembley as much as they can, they have invested alot of money into it, so Cardiff won't get a look in
Wembley wouldnt be used for semi finals,and Cardiff would be good enough to host a Champions League Final if chosen.

Then why don't they??? This isn't a multiplex cinema or business class on a 747 we're talking about here - you don't go to a football match for legroom, you go for atmosphere. Imagine what that stadium would be like with 170,000 fans tightly packed into the space, particularly if the acoustics are as good as people seem to think they will be.

Too much space is a bad thing in a football ground anyway (there's nothing worse than a half-empty stadium, is there, and who wants to be needlessly far away from the pitch?) and if this space is at the expense of an extra 70,000 punters then that's just wrong. It looks pointedly elitist to me - keeping the masses out to make it more attractive to the prawn sandwich types.

(Arch looks great, though - saw it from the North Circular for the first time last weekend - fucking enormous)
Very very few teams would fill it and the transport infrastructure would be unable to cope with so many fans! I think the best size wouldve been 110,000 as quoted elsewhere in the thread.

I think they should keep the playoff finals and FA Cup semi-finals at Cardiff. Imagine the Division 3 playoff final at Wembley? They may as well close the upper tier completly! :)

I'm in London on July 4th the night of the European Championship final, hopefully England will be there but from past experience I'm not building my hopes up.

Anyway, do you reckon the arch will be lit that night, because so I'm going to try and get some photos from some vantage points I know.

Thanks.

Construction pics from early to mid may before the arch went up.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/may2004/04052910_3161.jpg

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Then why don't they??? This isn't a multiplex cinema or business class on a 747 we're talking about here - you don't go to a football match for legroom, you go for atmosphere. Imagine what that stadium would be like with 170,000 fans tightly packed into the space, particularly if the acoustics are as good as people seem to think they will be.

Too much space is a bad thing in a football ground anyway (there's nothing worse than a half-empty stadium, is there, and who wants to be needlessly far away from the pitch?) and if this space is at the expense of an extra 70,000 punters then that's just wrong. It looks pointedly elitist to me - keeping the masses out to make it more attractive to the prawn sandwich types.

(Arch looks great, though - saw it from the North Circular for the first time last weekend - fucking enormous)

I wonder what this "accomodation area" includes. Its hard to imagine that 170,000 could fit in with stade de france-like qualities??

When the capacity was set, though, I think the main focus was not on the stadium, but on the transport links to the stadium. It might very well make sense to expand capacity by reducing space at least in the less expensive sections if the transport system can handle the crowds well

kindomca:

New Wembley: 173,000sq.m
Stade de France: 70,000sq.m

Rough estimates of using actual seating and interiors to that of the Stade de France in the accomodation area of the new Wembley would see an insane capacity of around 197,000!

nick... are you saying that if wembley had the same seats space as the stade de france it would be 197000 or are you just comparing the stadion ground area?

Aha - the new Wembley is nearly 2.5x larger than the Stade de France with only a 10,000 larger capacity!

shaping up very nicely

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Nick, I doubt you can use the figures like that. It doesnt sound credible that it should be possible to have 200,000 seated in such a way around the pitch enjoying stade de france-like leg room. It doesnt add up to me.
Also if you divide the accomodation area with the number of seats, its almost 2 sq. meters per seat, thats more than a couch!

Dont you think its a case of Wembley including all their facilities under the stand etc in the accomodation area?

no its true, the area of eachseat is 1.92m2 the proof is here (http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/the_new_design-68.htm)

Nick, I doubt you can use the figures like that. It doesnt sound credible that it should be possible to have 200,000 seated in such a way around the pitch enjoying stade de france-like leg room. It doesnt add up to me.
Also if you divide the accomodation area with the number of seats, its almost 2 sq. meters per seat, thats more than a couch!

Dont you think its a case of Wembley including all their facilities under the stand etc in the accomodation area?


I agree. It doesn't add up.

Also the height of new Wem-ber-lee will be around 45m, (to the top of the stands....) so it's not like it'll be the tallest stadium ever made. I suppose the span of the stands maybe huge......but from the pictures I've seen, OT has a wider roof span, and the North Stand is higher. Once complete Old Trafford will have a capacity of 94,000.......perhaps over 100,000, if the ends were three tier a la North Stand.

There's no way the new Wem-ber-lee, will be 70% bigger than a complete three tier Old Trafford.

I don't know how they've done the stats, but they simply don't look right.

No the stats are for accomodation area, ie seating - In accomodation area terms Wembley will be 2.5x that of the Stade de France for only 10,000 more seats - it will in other words be more relaxing, comfortable and spacious for all. Old Trafford might very well have aspirations to go to 100,000 (if it ever builds over the railway lines for instance), but it will be for totaly accomodation area be still smaller than Wembley. If OT is more spacious than the Stade de France then it will only probably need some 170,000 seats to be equal in accomodation area to the 90,000 accomodation area of Wembley.

Simply but it this way, think of the stadia as office towers, Wembley will be the biggest office tower in football terms :yes: eg the Burj Dubai :yes:

It doesn't look that big. Which is my point. You can throw a shedload of stats around, but to the eye Wembley doesn't look like 2.5 X Stade the France, interms of accomodation area, ie size of the stands.


Right, now.....if(BIG IF) OT is similar to Stade the France, in accomodation area.....and it becomes a three tier 100,000 stadia, there's no way it'll look 70 percent smaller in accomodation area than Wembley. Why do I feel I am friggin repeating myself. Like I said before, the North Stand/United Road is taller than the new Wembley and by the looks of it, has a wider span....... Which means that IF the stats are indeed correct, either the span of the new Wembley is bigger OR the height is. But from what I've seen it's not in both cases. How it's got such a huge accomodation area is beyond me.

Unless, the stands are more further away from the pitch..... OT's stands are very close on all four sides, to the touchline. But even then those stats look off.

kindomca:

New Wembley: 173,000sq.m
Stade de France: 70,000sq.m

Rough estimates of using actual seating and interiors to that of the Stade de France in the accomodation area of the new Wembley would see an insane capacity of around 197,000!


The bowl/seating capacity of the new wembley is actually 47,136sq.m [source: Brent Council (the location of new wembley) sub-committee report 2002 - table2 in page13 of the report for those interested] and not 173,000sq.m. So a capacity of 90,000 seems more realistic than around the 200,000 that seems to have been suggested in some earlier posts.

However, I still think the new wembley's design is awesome and 90,000 is still a huge capacity. :)

I guess the 173,000sq.m probably includes catering space, boxes, shops etc. Infact in the report the total floorspace is actually a bigger number 228,848sq.m :eek2: - this includes media facilities, toilets, concourse etc.

The report can be found in the wembley planning section of the Brent Council website:
www.brent.gov.uk

The bowl/seating capacity of the new wembley is actually 47,136sq.m k[/URL]


Finally some sense!

I knew it didn't look that big. As you've said it seems about right for a 90K stadia.

Got some right nutters on here.

I wonder how the size of the bowl compares with other stadia...

As for the 'accomodation size', I am sure it includes corporate stuff.

Nutters? What on earth are you on about - I'm comparing like for like - now whos the nutter.............

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/the_new_design-68.htm

Wembely - 173,000
Stade de France - 70,000
Stadium Australia - 100,000
Arena Aufschalke - 58,796
Sapporo Dome - 53,000

And your calling me a nutter because it "doesn't look that big" - the Old Wembley was comparable to Old Trafford, but the new Wembley dewarfs the old one. The new one isn't even complete yet - they aint even got to the top of the stadium - ie the roof yet!!! So its a bit stupid to make such quick judgements :|

But using the accomodation area which is comparable - IF the new Wembely followed the seating and accomodation patterns as that of the Stade de France but had the 173,000 accomodation area then it would using a simple little calculation be able to have a capacity of around 197,000 give or take a few thousand. Not that hard to do the calculation, take into effect that the Stade de France seating area would in turn be greatly reduced as well, but remember - I was comparing actual accomodation area's :yes:

Raswok15 -your referring this PA (page 13): http://www.brent.gov.uk/Planning.nsf/e35824689957a84280256623005fc7af/b07f73cfb5783ae08025682800430343/$FILE/REVISEDSCHEME-FINALCOMMREPORT.pdf

Nick - the so called "accomodation area" includes toilets, concourse, shops, storage rooms etc. I have never seen actual stadium bowl seatng within those locations !! How about you? :bash:

Therefore, a more sensible comparison for seating capacity would be between actual bowl/seating floorspace. For the new wembley this is 47,136sq.m - I suggest if you are going to compare seating capacity with stade de france and other stadium you compare with the appropriate bowl/seating floorspace. You are likely to get more realistic figures and comparisons that people will take seriously.

However, one thing we are agreed on is that the new wembley will be awesome. It does not have to be 197,000 capacity for this - 90,000 is quite huge. :angel1:

Do the maths EACH SEAT HAS AN AREA OF 1.92 Meters Squared! times that by 90,000 capacity you get your 172,000 square metres, stop having a go at nick he is telling the truth, the scale of wembley is huge!

May I point out that Old Trafford is considered cramped. My copy of Simon Inglis's Football Grounds of Britain says that the North stand has a tread depth of 660mm, where as it is more common now for stands to have a depth of 700-850mm.

Tread Depth is the distance from the back of the seat in front of you to the back of your seat. In other words, legroom and seat size.

Since you got me started .... :)

The 1.92sq.m that I assume you got from the official wembley website refers to "Area per seat (m2)". This refers to the average accomodation area floorspace per seat not the actual area of a standard seat. The accomodation area refers to the concourse, shops, toilets etc and not just the bowl/seating floorspace.

From the initial club wembley brochure (I believe no longer available on the official website as they have bought out a newer version of the brochure - but you may want to contact wembley if you are really that bothered and want to make sure!!!) a comparison of seat sizes is as follows:


Min seating row size (i.e. legroom+seat): new wembley = 0.8m , st de france = 0.75m
standard seat width: new wembley = 0.5m , st de france = 0.48m
standard seat area: new wembley = 0.4sq.m, st de france = 0.36sq.m

So lets use the bowl/seating floorspace if we are going to make seating capacity comparisons and not the accomodation area!!!

Since you got me started .... :)

The 1.92sq.m that I assume you got from the official wembley website refers to "Area per seat (m2)". This refers to the average accomodation area floorspace per seat not the actual area of a standard seat. The accomodation area refers to the concourse, shops, toilets etc and not just the bowl/seating floorspace.

From the initial club wembley brochure (I believe no longer available on the official website as they have bought out a newer version of the brochure - but you may want to contact wembley if you are really that bothered and want to make sure!!!) a comparison of seat sizes is as follows:


Min seating row size (i.e. legroom): new wembley = 0.8m , st de france = 0.75m
standard seat width: new wembley = 0.5m , st de france = 0.48m
standard seat area: new wembley = 0.4sq.m, st de france = 0.36sq.m

So lets use the bowl/seating floorspace if we are going to make seating capacity comparisons and not the accomodation area!!!


Mate, I don't know why you're bothering....

I think they're a bit simple.

Enough said on this matter of seating capacity and seat size. :bash: Time to move on to other things wembley.... Heres an awesome picture of the wembley arch taken from another forum (picture taken by cst1973):

http://www.departure.uk.net/photos/wembleystadium.jpg

I am not sure I get this, are someone still claiming that Wembley could get 190,000 capacity?
If the accomodation area was actually the seated area, the stands would have to stretch back some 400 meters on all sides!
The seating capacity if installed as cramped as older venues than stade de france would be probably close to 300,000.
The old terraced Kop at Liverpool had an area of something like 5000 sq. meters max. and held some 27,000 in its best days. That would mean that if New Wembley was all-terraced with 1960´s style density it would be able to hold almost 1 million..

This is clearly not the case! Indeed Wembley themselves claim that no seat will be more than a 190 meters away from any point of the field (if I remember correctly)

Wembley will be the best stadium in the world, but its not going to be particularly bigger in physical size (arch apart)than other venues simply because thats not possible if the view is going to be reasonable.

More realisticaly, RASWOKs figures show that the standard seated area at Wembley will be some 10%+ larger than at the Stade de France. This should mean that if half of Wembley´s seats (the less expensive half) had their area reduced to SdF size a capacity of 95,000 could be reached and probably push a 100,000 if half the stadium could accept the seated area of many other venues and that would possibly be a better solution

High capacity stadiums like the Azteca (The Mexican stadium = 120,000 ), go past the optimum viewing range.

Anything over 100K is pushing it, especially if it's got decent leg room.

Now, if anyone can't comprehend what Raswok has posted, they're either thick or kids.

i think this SCALE comparison between the new 90,000 wembley and the old 80,000 wembley says it all

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/wembley_crosssection.gif

if anyone cant fathom it out from that they must be manchesterISwonderful

The old stadium had a wider/bigger pitch/ground area.... ie the stands were further away from the ground......

and the gradient was less steep. The new wembley IS bigger, but not as big as you loons think it is. 190,000 indeed. LOL.

You're not very good at this are you?

i think this SCALE comparison between the new 90,000 wembley and the old 80,000 wembley says it all

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/wembley_crosssection.gif

if anyone cant fathom it out from that they must be manchesterISwonderful

Some people will never understand......

Heres a more realistic comparison with fairly modern stadia - go to this website scroll down the page and tick the stadium chechbox at the bottom left of the page (in the "structure type" column; leave everything else as is) and click the search button to get a pictorial comparison of stadium sizes.
http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/
...come back with something sensible to say.

Stop deluding yourself by comparing the new wembley with the old wembley (row size=0.62m, std seat width=0.41m, std seat area=0.254sq.m). The new wembley is amazing and huge but 197,000 with modern seating i dont think so. :rofl:


By the way for your information the 80,000 capacity of the old wembley was a theoretical one - for safety reasons and the inadequecy of the seating the organisers in recent years did not allow the capacity to exceed much more than 74,000.

LOL - Your all getting it wrong, it was a simple transplant of the accomodation area of the Stade de France into the new Wembley - I've been saying it all along and its not that hard to understand - of course that was just a comparison figure :yes: - there was no need to go hyperbole :)

Here's another comparison..

enter wembley,ericsson in the "building field" and do a search http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/

This compares the Ericsson Stadium (USA, capacity approx 74,000, built 1996) with new wembley. The new wembley is amazing but its not this out of this universe stadium that some seem to be making it out to be.

Here's another comparison..

enter wembley,ericsson in the "building field" and do a search http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/

This compares the Ericsson Stadium (USA, capacity approx 74,000, built 1996) with new wembley. The new wembley is amazing but its not this out of this universe stadium that some seem to be making it out to be.

Very similar size, not bad considering it holds 16,000 less.

Anyhow, I reckon the new Wembley could hold around 100,000, if the spacing was more conservative.

As for the Wembely website..... not surprisingly, it is very misleading.

btw, I wonder how it compares in height to some of the other stadiums around Europe. Wembley at it's highest point it 52m(to top of the stand, just incase some of you morons point out it's much taller to the top of the arch)... Old Trafford is about 55m from pitch level. I bet the San Siro, Camp Nou and a few others are around 55m.

I agree new wembley should have been designed with 100,000 capacity. The demand is definately there - especially for FA cup finals, most world and euro qualifiers. I am sure 10,000 extra would not have been that much of a burden on transport that it could not have been solved with some thought.

Not sure how new wembley compares with san siro, old trafford etc. There does not seem to be any diagrams for them in the website mentioned earlier.

I don't think there was any need to have seat spacing a tad larger than most other new grounds.. Afterall, football's only a game of 90mins. If it was a cricket ground, fair enough....but for a game of 90 mins, I don't think it's required. They should've sqeezed in an extra 10,000 seats. (Imagine if they actually had a near 2m sq seat spacing LOL)

1.92sq.m - that's the size of a typical 3 seater sofa :rofl:
(Here's the maths for some of the doubters: 0.9m x 2.1m is still less than 1.92sq.m) :applause:

LOL.

A size comparable to a 3 seater sofa in width + 1 metre from the back to the seat infront!! Imagine the leg room! my god.

For those who may be interested it is possible to see a comparison of many of the worldcup2006 stadiums (including the allianzarena) with the new wembley by entering germany,united kingdom in the "country" field, ticking the stadium checkbox and doing a search. http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/

You still both fail to actually comprehend what I was talking about - I was talking about ACCOMODATION ARE TRANSPLANTED from the Stade de France into the New Wembley - sounds like there is an echo here and it keeps bouncing right back.

I also don't see what looking at pictures or in MancheserISwonderful's view "it doesn't look that big" really have to do - visually they can look different. The May Day stadium doesn't look very big, but its capacity and accomodation area I believe is the largest in the world! I thought we were talking about accomodation area and not volumes (of which those SSP diagrams would try to dictate).

I actually calculated that if the new Wembley retained the 173,00sq.m accomodation area, but then took the accomodation area seats from the Stade de France (70,000sq.m - 80,000), the new Wembley could seat some....................197,714!!!!!!!!!!


Nick are you sure you were just talking about accomodation area?!!!! - You seem to mention the capacity of 197,714 !!!!

At the very least it was a very unrealistic comparison to make. Accomodation area and bowl/seating capacity are two different things. No way would you get 197,714 seats of stade de france type seat dimensions within the new wembley bowl - (unless you decided to stack one top of another or something silly like that). :)

May Day Stadium is 60m high, plus it's got a running track, with means it's got a bigger circumference than normal football grounds. You plank. Yes it looks that big.

1.92 sq indeed. LOL LOL LOL, which is a three seater sofa per person space, not including leg room LOL LOL LOL.

You've never been to a football match, so you can't comprehend the amount of space you're talking about. Enough area for a 170-190,000 K stadia indeed. LOL LOL LOL

I do who to really laugh at - ManchesterISwonderful or raswok15 - you've completely took this out of context and reworded what was a trivial little exercise - the Stade de France accomodation area plonked into the new Wembely - not too hard to figure out what I was trying and how it all works out :|

Here's your original statement:

the new Wembley could seat some....................197,714!!!!!!!!!!

So, being the world renowned expert on everything that you are, explain to me how you'd fit close to 200,000 people into Wembley Stadium.

Misinterpreting? You said that the new Wembley Stadium could have a capacity of 200,000 and I'd just like to know how that could be accomplished.

If you take a look here - http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/the_new_design-68.htm - I took the accomodation figure for the Stade de France for a capacity of 80,000 and plonked it into the 173,000 figure for Wembley - a simple transplant calculation - nothing sinister or devious - something trivial and something I did in like 2mins. The calculation is simple when you look at it. In other words I was taking the Stade de France accomocation area with its capacity and placing it into the accomodation of the new Wembley and repeating the process of accomodation area + capacity of the Stade de France into the new Wembely to fill up all the accomodation area.........not too hard to really get your head around!

Yeah, but most of the accomodation area has nothing to do with the seating area, or does it?

This is what i got confused about earlier.

If the same seating space was put in to the new wembley as the stade de france then surely it wouldnt be 197000!

To do this accurately you'd need to know the exact dimensions of the seating areas and seats in both stadia.

Look its a wee simple transplant calcualtion I did in 2mins, taking the stade de france accomodation area and capacity and placing and mulitplying to fit into the new Wembely accomodation area as a comparison! Nothing to hard to look at....but obviously simple little calculations defy some peoples minds :|

Then tell us how they'd fit 200,000 people into the new Wembley. Does accomodation area only refer to the seating area?

Then tell us how they'd fit 200,000 people into the new Wembley. Does accomodation area only refer to the seating area?

In the hope that Nick stops reposting his fantastic calculations again :ohno: (please) - the actual floorspace of the new wembley bowl/seating area is 47,136sq.m and not 173,000sq.m (see earlier posts).

............or is he going to be gracious enough to admit that he simply got the figures wrong ! (it can happen to the best of us - maybe even you Nick!). Or are there more calculations that you have not shown us - I am intrigued :)

Guys who cares about how much it can hold, 90,000 is enough anyway i think.

Besides its the largest, greatest and best looking around to date so...... forget the seating lol :)

Anyone planning to get tickets for Wembleys first game?

Look its a wee simple transplant calcualtion I did in 2mins, taking the stade de france accomodation area and capacity and placing and mulitplying to fit into the new Wembely accomodation area as a comparison! Nothing to hard to look at....but obviously simple little calculations defy some peoples minds :|


I think its the intentional misleading nature of your calculations and your refusal to admit exactly what you were saying...

Right some people are getting confused - I took the figures from WNSL's website - so no misleading nature whatsoever :) - infact it takes the Stade de France figure and the Wembley figure :) You might argue with the actual figures, but I was just taking the figures from here, ie a compairson of stadia :):

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/the_new_design-68.htm

and here we go :)



Wembley - 90,000 - 173,000sq.m
Stade de France - 80,000 - 70,000sq.m

Now I did a wee quick calculation where you take:

Wembley Accomodation Area*
Stade de France Accomodation Area*

173,000*
70,000*

= 2.471...



Wembley / Stade de France Accomodation Area x Stade de France Capacity*



2.471 x 80,000* = 197,714



All sourced from the WNSL site of a comparison - so there you go :)


* http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/the_new_design-68.htm

... in capital letters (and underlined) just for you Nick :)

ACOMMODATION AREA floorspace is NOT the same as BOWL SEATING AREA floorspace

Incase you missed it earlier:
the bowl seating floorarea of the new wembley is 47,136sq.m and not 173,000sq.m.

I am guessing but the bowl seating floorarea of stade de france is proabably around 40,000sq.m give or take a little. Maybe you want to get hold of this figure if you want to do a crude BUT REALISTIC comparison - I think you will find the new wembley capacity figure with std de france type seats will be no way near 197,714 !!!! :clown:

As you are fond of calculations heres one I think you will enjoy and may want to consider using in the future:

rough capacity figure of new wembley with average sized stade de france seats =
new wembley bowl seating floorarea X capacity of stade de france
stade de france bowl seating floorarea

The calculation you used, to put it kindly, is pointless and your comparison with stade de france unrealistic. Ever heard of the term comparing apples with pears.Some may have begun doubting you Nick ......but I reckon you are still gracious enough to admit you were wrong and that you were trying to dig yourself out of a very big hole. :angel1:

I am guessing but the bowl seating floorarea of stade de france is proabably around 40,000sq.m


How ironic :laugh:

Like I said - I took the Stade de France accomodation area with its associated capacity and transplanted it into the new Wembley accomodation area. I also used the source that is from the WNSL site which has a COMPARISON of both the Stade de France and the WNSL. I have also not created myself a hole - I've told you now on several occasions that what I am talking about is totally different to what your talking about (your referring to bowls, I'm referring to transplants of the Stade de France into the New Wembley :)). But hey - we will all just have to wait and get inside the stadium - it afterall boasts of having seats which are on average more spacious than the Royal Box seats of the old Wembley - and if that aint a sign who knows. May I also point out that I have in no way criticised your method, I would ask some respect for my quick 2min method of comparisons :yes:




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I'm looking forward to seeing the near 2m sq seating space. :rofl: (a three seater couch per person :lol: )

197K indeed.

btw, since your trying your best to dig yourself out of a hole. Only the people in the stadium(those who have a view of the pitch) are counted as part of the capacity. So, you can't count the accomodation space a part of any calculation for projected capacities.

The stats you've posted also incoporate the accomodation area. Which are the corporate and other such areas inside and behind the stands. (God, just how many times does it have to be pointed out).

One of the main reasons why Wembley is so expensive, is down to the amount of hospitality boxes and other corporate stuff that's getting built. It's the same reason why the corners at OT are so expensive. United've got more corporate stuff planned for those corner extensions, than any other stand. (NO! WE CAN'T USE THE ACCOMODATION AREA IN THERE AS PART OF THE CAPACITY or potential capacity LOL )


cue......the same daft calculations.

Not the brightest are you.

197,714 !!!! :rofl:

If you are comparing accomodation area then why on earth are you quoting a bullshit seating capacity figure of 197,714 !!!! (as any plank would have gathered by now, from the many other posts in this thread, that it would not be possible with stade de france type seats).

If you would have stuck to your comparisons in stating ...
that the new wembley will have more catering floorspace, toilets, larger concourses.. (as afterall that is what accomodation area includes) then I and I suggest many others would have respected your words.

I am prepared to respect others but not when they are being blatantly moronic with the facts and manupulating them for their benefit ..and it does not help when they do this on a repeated basis and for some reason manage to find a way to quote this silly 197,714!!! :rofl: figure in many other threads.

Does roof space count as well?

Imagine how many the new Wem-ber-lee could hold if they actually counted the roof space!

Just done a quick two mins calculation.....and the new capacity is 230,000! :yes:

;)


Shit..... what about car park space? I presume it's bigger than the Stade de France's! surely we can add that to the calculation!

Moronic - your the one guessing and I'm the one just using a comparison - fair as that is :yes: I've also stated that I'm using accomodation area coupled with capacity and in that respect the figures are right - there's nothing to deny with this! Yes you have come up with other figures....but my figures are standing nonetheless for a comparison of accomodation area coupled with capacity which are transplanted into the WNSL - there is no fault whatsoever with this method :)

Now your just being stupid :ohno:


you're.

I've got to say you're the most moronic person I've come across on here.

197,714 capacity indeed. :rofl:

Nick - Are you 5 years old (am I being generous !!!) or older!!!? I would feel really guilty if myself and others had been making fun of a little kid.

P.S. Instructions on how to answer for the benefit of nick-taylor:

A 'Yes' or 'No' answer is sufficent no DAFT 2 min calculations are required :laugh: ...and NO the answer is not 197,714!!! :rofl:

I think "accomodation area" is the amount of floorspace in the building, inside and outside, not a measure of the size of the bowl.

From todays Guardian

Construction of the new Wembley stadium suffered a big setback yesterday after the company supplying much of the 23,000 tonnes of steelwork needed for the project downed tools in a dispute with the main contractor.
Cleveland Bridge, which erected the stadium's spectacular 315 metre-long arch, is refusing to provide any more bespoke steelwork, claiming that Multiplex, the Australian company coordinating the build, has failed to pay its bills.

The dispute will almost certainly cause delays to the £757m project, though Multiplex insisted it would not result in the postponement of the stadium's opening, scheduled for early 2006.

But the row between two of the most high-profile companies working on the stadium is a fresh embarrassment to the Football Association at a time when it is embroiled in the scandal which has led to the resignation of its chief executive, Mark Palios.

Cleveland Bridge told Multiplex it had no alternative but to cease work on the project and instructed its solicitors to issue proceedings in the technology and construction court, an offshoot of the high court.

Since work began in September 2002, there have been a series of disputes between Cleveland Bridge and Multiplex. It is understood that these include disagreements over design changes and the schedule.

At the end of June it was announced that Cleveland Bridge would stop working at the site and be replaced by a Dutch company, Hollandia.

But it was agreed that Cleveland Bridge would continue to provide steel for the project. At first, the arrangement seemed to be working. Cleveland Bridge continued to produce the bespoke steelwork at its base in Darlington and dropped the finished product off at the gates outside Wembley.

But the arrangement collapsed acrimoniously. In a statement, Cleveland Bridge said it "now has no faith in Multiplex honouring its commitments and paying the sums due". Industry sources say Cleveland Bridge alleges it is owed around £5m.

Cleveland Bridge conceded that its decision could lead to redundancies in Darlington but insisted it had no choice.

A spokeswoman for Multiplex refused to comment, saying the matter was "in the hands of lawyers". But she insisted that the company was confident it would still deliver the stadium on time. She added: "We will get steel from elsewhere."

Multiplex, which built the Olympic stadium in Sydney, is seen in the industry as a demanding taskmaster and has upset several contractors over Wembley.

It is believed there is enough steel already on site to keep construction workers busy for at least the next few days.

Industry experts said Multiplex was bound to have made contingency plans as its relationship with Cleveland Bridge deteriorated.

Hollandia itself has plants in which the sort of steelwork needed for Wembley can be fabricated.

Frank Westerman, regional officer for the union Amicus, which represents 205 steelworkers at Wembley, anticipated that the row would cause "short-term" disruption.

He said some of the most complicated steelwork on the stands - more technically demanding even than the arch - was still to be done.

Mr Westerman said: "This sort of steelwork is made and brought to site on a 'just in time' basis. This is bound to cause a hiatus and will be worrying to our members."

Wembley National Stadium Project, the subsidiary of the FA responsible for building and running the stadium, also refused to comment in detail. But a spokesman said it had been assured that the timetable would not be affected.

A WNSP source pointed out that it had agreed a fixed price for the stadium with Multiplex.

But the timing of the dispute could not be worse, not least because one of Mr Palios's priorities had been to deal with the financial problems which have surrounded the building of the stadium.

Though WNSP and Multiplex insist the build is on schedule, not all in the industry are convinced. The well-respected Construction News has suggested that it may be too much behind schedule.

Key partners of WNSP were reluctant to be drawn into the dispute yesterday. A spokesman for the London Development Agency said: "This doesn't affect our commitment to the project."

Video of the arch going up

http://www.wembleystadium.com/staticcontent/arch_video/default.htm

Latest construction photos released on the wembley website...
http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/july2004/706V5364.jpg
...photos seem a few weeks old, as various sections of framework for the lower tiers have now also been added but not shown. Anyway looks quite impressive already.

I posted this in the UK section it seems the roof will be the key to it opening on time or not (where have we heard that before?)

'Wembley to miss deadline'

By Paul Waugh, Evening Standard, Deputy Political Editor
13 August 2004

The row over the Wembley Stadium project reignited today when a former Cabinet minister claimed the scheme could miss its completion deadline.

Former health secretary Alan Milburn warned a dispute between building contractors could mean the £750 million stadium was not ready for the FA Cup Final in April 2006. Mr Milburn called on the Football Association and Wembley National Stadium Ltd to investigate claims that the works will be delayed by up to nine months.

The FA stressed the project was still on schedule despite the falling-out between lead contractor Multiplex and North Eastbased firm Cleveland Bridge.

Cleveland Bridge, a company that supplied the stadium's £65million arch, was replaced on the project this month by Dutch firm Hollandia. The company is now locked in a legal battle over the works but the loss of the contract has forced it to issue 95 redundancy notices to workers at its factory in Darlington, Mr Milburn's constituency.

In a letter to acting FA chief executive David Davies, Mr Milburn said while the prospect of job losses was of local concern in the North-East, the overall Wembley saga was "a matter of national concern".

The former Cabinet minister said without Cleveland Bridge's expertise in building the new roof for the stadium, the whole project "will be substantially delayed" and the planned opening date of April 2006 will be missed.

"Nobody wants to see a contractual dispute leading to delays on what is a prestigious new national stadium. For that reason I hope the FA will consider investigating the background to this dispute and its consequences," he wrote.

Cleveland Bridge claims the new roof for the 90,000-seat venue may not be in place by May 2006 and the stadium not ready for opening until January 2007.

But an FA spokesman told the Evening Standard that it would not be holding an inquiry into the claims because it had been told by building experts that the row would not affect the schedule of construction.

Multiplex had an agreement to build the project to cost and on time and had assured WNSL that its new contractor could do the job. The Government was monitoring the works to ensure it did not fall behind schedule, the spokesman added. It is understood one of the reasons the FA is confident about finishing the works on time is that Hollandia took on many of the staff hired by Cleveland Bridge

The Jewel of the suburbs!

latest pics for august

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_188.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_020.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_083.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_103.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_105.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_163.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_169.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_185.jpg

And some pics from last months topping out ceremony

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/ceremony/04090110_454.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/ceremony/04090110_785.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/ceremony/04090110_788.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/ceremony/fireworks04090110_787.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/ceremony/fireworks04090110_792.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/ceremony/fireworks04090110_925.jpg


Now tell me that was not sexy!!!!!

New Wembley stadium look great, I have hopes that Poland will play from England on this stadium in these eliminations to WC 2006

Two of the latest construction pics from the wembley website (http://www.wembleystadium.com )

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/september2004/293T9936.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/september2004/04092410_000.jpg

I think we can see from that work has certainly slowed.

I think some people are just looking for this to fail.... wake up!!! look at it... its gonna be the best stadium in the world! it looks gorgeous! its a civil engineering feat in itself! stop wishing it to fail!

latest pics for august

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/PhotodiaryImages/aug2004/04082723_188.jpg



It took me a second to realize those weren't nooses.

I think some people are just looking for this to fail.... wake up!!! look at it... its gonna be the best stadium in the world! it looks gorgeous! its a civil engineering feat in itself! stop wishing it to fail!

Not me. I just want the builders to be honest about what is happening. There is a wall of silence. This is not acceptable in a project that is part lottery funded and is being built on behalf of a non-profit making national institution. And it is not the least bit gorgeous. It is just the usual glass and steel beloved by aesthetically challenged engineers - but on an exceptional scale. The interior will be impressive, but the body of the exterior is just a grey smudge and the arch has no merits except size.

The English FA has today officially bid for the 2007 UEFA Champions League final to be held at the new wembley stadium - http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/NewsFromTheFA/Postings/2004/10/Wembley_CityofManchester_Bids.htm

From my gaff in Hendon. I can see Webley stadium from my window, it looks so huge and menacing sitting there on the horizon, I can honestly say I have never seen a stadium that looks so large, even if it is uncomplete.

And don't get me started on when that arch rarely lights up at night. Wonderful.

It is a fact though that the new wembley stadium will have more room per person than any other in the world (that i know of)

When is Wembley supposed to be ready for games? (And is it on schedule :D)

Awesome stadium, best stadium of Europe to say the least, I don't feel like comparing it to American stadiums, most of them are quite different.

Well Multiplex cleverly never actually said when the stadium would be finished they just said it would be ready for the 2006 FA Cup (May). But as this will be a sell out they need to host a number of smaller events first, the FA also want to fully open the stadium with an England match. So unofficially the stadium is due to be finished around Feb 06 but if it doesn't make this date multiplex won't get into trouble.

As for it's progress I would say it's slightly behind schedule at the moment but there is still a good chance that it will be finished by early 2006, just 2 months ago it was along way behind due to a shortage of steel, but they have caught up somewhat since then.

This is what the wembley website states what should be happening right now.

Late 2004
The fit out of the stadium gets substantially underway with materials for changing rooms, toilets and restaurants all arriving on site.

I don't think they are that stage yet.

October pics

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/photodiary/October2004/default.htm

Gotta like the new Wembley.
an interesting fact is also that german West Lb Bank is paying this thingy in full.
I wonder why they couldn't find an english bank to give the credit???

HI

Check out these links for Wembley Stadium construction pics. Let me know if they are of any use to you. I must admit it took me a few hours trawling the net to find them.

http://projectww.brent.lgfl.digitalbrain.com/lgfl/leas/brent/accounts/staff/projectww/web/projectww50s/History%20of%20Wembley/New%20Wembley%20Dome/

http://www.ukexpert.co.uk/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=648&si=&page=1&sort=2&perpage=12&password=&ppuser=&what=&name=&=

http://archinect.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2&page=7

http://users.breathe.com/fairbank/wembley'send.htm

http://www.pcharrington.com/Projects/CurrentProj/?ProjectID=28

http://www.brent.gov.uk/wembley.nsf

http://projectww.brent.lgfl.digitalbrain.com/lgfl/leas/brent/accounts/staff/projectww/web/projectww50s/Phase%20II/New%20Wembley%20Stadium/

http://www.paphotos.com/cgi-bin/paphotos

You have to register first but once you have just type in Wembley Stadium in search box and you will find dozens of excellent pics. Probably the best site for quality pics good enough to print.

http://www.new-wembley.com/

http://www.building.co.uk/index.asp?pubCode=43

http://www.nceplus.co.uk/

Go to projects-select topic then click on Wembley Stadium and you will find a few interesting articles mainly concentrating on the arch lift.

http://news.surfwax.com/venues/files/Wembley_Stadium.html

http://www.route79.com/journal/

http://yourstadium.com/index.php Aerial pics taken in march of this year

http://www.crapmatchreports.blogspot.com/pictemps/wembley.html

Gotta like the new Wembley.
an interesting fact is also that german West Lb Bank is paying this thingy in full.
I wonder why they couldn't find an english bank to give the credit???

They would have gone with any bank that would have lent at the lowest rate. No national preferences would have been given. Maybe West LB specialises in Stadium construction finance and were better able quantify risk associated frovm such a project or profit margins are higher in the Uk and they were willing to accept a lower return than a UK bank.

It looks nice but don't you think it looks awfully like the new Arsenal stadium across the city.

London's Wembley Stadium may be huge but it wont be the biggest.

The biggest stadium in the world will most likely be Melbourne's
MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground) which hosts Australian Rules Football,
Cricket.

Once building works are completed, it is expected the MCG will have a capacity in excess of 100,000 people as stated in their website.
This may not be the biggest in the world in terms of seats available but
it is in terms of area (Sheer Size). This is because the dimensions of a cricket/aussie rules football ground are much larger than football/rugby/american grid iron grounds.

http://www.mcg.org.au

I dont think wembley was ever going to be the biggest stadium in absolute terms, but certainly it will be the biggest football/soccer stadium you're ever likely to see..

What about that one in Brazil isnt that the biggest football ground in the world.

Not at all, it had the biggest capacity but only cos it wasn't seated, later the stadium became an all seater and has a capacity of 75,000 if I remember correctly. The stadium in North Korea, I forget it's name is 150,000 capacity and is all seater. It's huge.

Let's not forget that Wembley before it became all seater once had an unofficial world record crowd capacity of over 200,000 once. :eek2:

You can fit an awful lot more people in stadiums that are not seated.

When new Wembley will be completet???
Poland play in this stadium witch Eangland in eliminations to World Cup ???

No. It won't be finished until early 2006. I believe you are playing us at Old Trafford.

Fifa gave the English FA license to hold the 2006 FA cup final anytime they wish in the 4 week block before the World Cup according to some press release on Sunday. They must be struggling with deadlines. Still, I don't give a shit, it's still going to be fucking awesome.

A new wembley is long overdue. The old stadium may have had history but it was left to rot for many years and thus was probably one of the worst in terms of facilities and comfort. Hopefully this will be reversed and start a new breed of stadiums.

december 2004 pics from official site

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/31A2CEB7-3121-4160-8A84-0E941D99E348/47144/Image8.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/2B5E80B9-CB0C-4603-806B-82470EDFE2B0/48441/Aerialview.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/8BE08860-2787-4B1C-8CBA-B7897B7A03D6/47141/Image6.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/7CB5EF4A-E605-469D-9E6B-229D59F6B232/47143/Image9.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/BA566B4A-3824-456B-95E7-6ADC122FE91F/47139/Image4.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/771709B8-0947-4C46-B6AC-1A034EE46E8D/47142/Image7.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/3F0693D8-D3E3-4DF0-9B23-546073F39A10/47140/Image5.jpg

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/5C731FCC-B879-4EBE-8092-8AE6E669F4B5/47145/Image3.jpg

wow what can i say about the last pics posted here... Its an ugly stadium, it has no seats, no roof, no shops. Plus, it has the worst lighting. It's just full of badly dressed people, and monstrous machines. I wouldn't go near that thing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/Aerialview.jpg

Nice one Sparks. Just as I was about to ask for a new construction pic. :)

A new wembley is long overdue. The old stadium may have had history but it was left to rot for many years and thus was probably one of the worst in terms of facilities and comfort. Hopefully this will be reversed and start a new breed of stadiums.

Yep, the old wembley looked more like a prison with some of the worst access and most cramped seating I'v ever seen in a stadium. Thats why I never really bought into the nostalgia of those calling for a renivation rather than a rebuilding, with modern seating and access standards they'd have been lucky to fit in 50,000 seats.

It would have been nice to have a 100,000 plus stadium but I think you have to look at how often your going to have that kind of demand for games. I can't see FA cup semi's(well unless they feature Man Utd), friendlies, qualifing matches verus smaller countries and playoff finals which are going to make up the majority of the stadiums use filling that many seats. Hopefully as rumoured way back in this thread the FA have left the option of boosting the capacity to 100-110,000 if we ever stage a world cup or european championship when you'd guess the cash to increase the transport infrastrcture would be there.

Also I believe the "record" that it often talked about is for the largest number of covered seats in a purely football based stadium. I.E. not one with a running track around the pitch which pushes the stands back. Thats my main fault with alot of big football stadiums, having the fans miles away from the pitch takes away from the atompshere IMHO.

the FA could sell ANY England game.. friendly or not, against brazil or luxembourg out 10 times over. You have obviously never tried to get England tickets ;)

the FA could sell ANY England game.. friendly or not, against brazil or luxembourg out 10 times over. You have obviously never tried to get England tickets ;)

They've been selling out games at smaller regional grounds for the past few years but the way friendlies have declined recently I have trouble seeing them shifting 110,000 tickets for many of them(Brazil, Argentina and Germany maybe). My point is that maybe they considered its a better option to have better access/facilities for all the games rather than a slightly larger capacity for the small percentage of them that will sell that many tickets.

the FA could sell ANY England game.. friendly or not, against brazil or luxembourg out 10 times over. You have obviously never tried to get England tickets ;)

You obviously didn't go to a lot of England games pre-1996.

I was one of the 20,000 odd who bothered to show up for England v Colombia (scorpion kick game) and it was STILL horrendous getting out of the car park.

While crowds are great now for England games, we can guarantee that they alwayas will be. Especially at £30 quid a seat.

Webcam capture from today

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/webcamhome.jpg

well, thats humor :

There is nowhere else on the planet which occupies such a special place in the hearts of England football fans.

Wembley is not just the home of English football, it is the stuff of legends. It is where FA cup finals have been held since the days of baggy shorts and Brylcreem, it is where England made World Cup history - and it is where every English schoolboy dreams of scoring the goal that wins the cup for their beloved Chelsea/Man U/Leyton Orient.

So when it comes to finding a name for a footbridge at the new Wembley stadium, one might have assumed it should be named after some suitably English sporting icon. The Stanley Matthews bridge, perhaps? Or Geoff Hurst? Alf Ramsey? Or even just 1966?


name of the Wembleybridge (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonnews/articles/16807364?source=Evening%20Standard) #

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/wem.jpg

feb construction pics from official site (http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/wembley_today.htm)

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/13F76F39-4EA7-4C5E-9B47-27F80D5DC9E6/52616/Image3.jpg
Vomitory onto terracing area from the Club Wembley concourse

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/7006DBA2-28D4-47B9-BB59-FACD85305F09/52564/Image10.jpg
The first secetion of the main T7 roof truss being lifted into place on temporary support towers. These two towers and several others will hold the roof structure in place until the load is fully transferred to the arch.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/B32C7639-6123-4F4D-B43E-EFF9B56FA7D4/52561/Image4.jpg
number of cranes and temporary supoprt towers are now located on the pitch to facilitate lifting of the roof structure

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/02680EE4-0ABD-46FC-A69B-3094050C351C/52557/SteelImage.jpg
Another view of the T7 truss from the upper south tier with the north terracing behind

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/D2DDAEED-87B9-4B1D-9A2D-0C4F86663C76/52553/AerialImage.jpg
Aerial view of the stadium

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/0E331061-D611-4617-9F29-7935EEA33447/52551/Image2.jpg
The first of the retractable roof runway rafters being assembled prior to installation

http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/F9CACDBF-BE12-4C22-99E3-E5B5A1E9D8A7/52555/Image5.jpg
The external aluminium and glass cladding


http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/D4CA919C-4086-4080-8C90-E4ABAB12C53D/52549/Image1.jpg
External cladding viewed from inside one of the Southside restaurants

Wow, Wembley really has started to take shape fast.

When is completion expected - i heard it will be ready for the 2006 FA cup final

What are the chances of it being scaled down due to costs?

I'm hoping that the national teams move back to Wembley improves the quality of freindly fixtures. Recently they've become little more than a joke but in the past Wembley seemed to have a great motivating effect on visitors which in turn forced us to work harder.

as you can see from this webcam... they have put the first section of roof in place

http://webcam.thefa.com/webcamSouth.jpg

Any exterior pics of the old stadium?
Thanks. :)

I'm hoping that the national teams move back to Wembley improves the quality of freindly fixtures. Recently they've become little more than a joke but in the past Wembley seemed to have a great motivating effect on visitors which in turn forced us to work harder.

Pre Euro 96 England were getting terrible attendances for friendlies and the atmosphere in Wembley was non-existant.

There are just too many friendlies and it's difficult to get excited about them. Can't wait for the first real match in the new Wembley though.

i thought they were going to keep the friendlys on the road and play qualifiers at wembley?

It will be ready for the FA Cup final in 2006

but me reckons early completion

i thought they were going to keep the friendlys on the road and play qualifiers at wembley?

The offical site merely states "England Games" will be held at Wembley, I spose they could keep on rotating friendlies but I doubt they will having spent so much on the stadium. As I said I hope they keep them all at wembley for the simple fact that it seems to make the games mean more. That could just be the way friendlies in general are going I spose but I remmeber games 5-6 years ago being far better than the tedious wastes of time they are now.

wembley stadium could possibly be on completion the BEST stadium in the entire world!!

wonderful stadium

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/england/wembley_stadium/170.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/hfh.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/ghgh.jpg

Credit to crazyants2005 for the photos.

And credit me for this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/Sparkynufc/light.bmp

Does anyone know if any rival designs from the planning stage were made public(including national stadiums at rival locations) and if so is their anywhere on the web with details on them.

Just out of interest, does anyone have any idea what coulour seats they have planned for Wembley?

i think red
3D View Finder at the off. site they are red

they are red

Red, Blue and White.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/hi_res_02.jpg

I hope they tidy up the Wembley Way a bit more, make it grander, its a bit shabby at the moment

I hope they tidy up the Wembley Way a bit more, make it grander, its a bit shabby at the moment

That's included in the masterplan.

Is Wembley going to be build at october 10 for the game England-Poland ?

Is Wembley going to be build at october 10 for the game England-Poland ?


No, unfortunately not.

The first game to be played there will be the 2006 F.A Cup Final.:cheers:

In a year it will be finished!

And those complaining about the capacity....It could of easily been 100,000...but they decided to go for customer comfort instead....the largest seat space for any professional stadium in the world!

P.S
Its capacity is actually neary 95,000....It has 90,000 seats...then all the boxes!

I hope they tidy up the Wembley Way a bit more, make it grander, its a bit shabby at the moment

Yep this stadium is a regenerating the area!

http://www.brent.gov.uk/wembley.nsf

Check that site for all preposed developments in Wembley!

I believe Wembley is ahead of schedule...On the Official site in the Stadium plan the arch was set to be installed early 2005....and the Seats arrive in the Summer!

The Arce has been in place for months....and Seats are going in!

On the official site it say they hope the opening event is an England International!

P.S
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/eddyk2/2-WS.jpg

February 2004 (top) February 2005 (bottom)

Wow, they've made so much progress in a year!

so.the capacity will be 94,500?

With all the Boxes!

Im not 100%....Anfield has 45,300 seats...but with the Boxes 47,000 can attend the matches!

Wembley has many more boxes than Anfield!

And using non scientific methods and using figures i just assumed....Wembley will have a Total Capacity nearer 95,000 maybe more!

Here's another comparison..

enter wembley,ericsson in the "building field" and do a search http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/

This compares the Ericsson Stadium (USA, capacity approx 74,000, built 1996) with new wembley. The new wembley is amazing but its not this out of this universe stadium that some seem to be making it out to be.


If you check...they are actually comparing the shorter side of wembley to the longer side of the Ericsson stadium!

And Wembley is still wider...you see...it is massive!

Ericsson stadium just does not even come close to Wembley, sorry.

Hold yer 'orses guys! Wembley isn't even finished yet so nobody knows what it is like to experience compared to any other stadium. Also, merely comparing the size of stadiums doesn't really tell you which is better.

With all the Boxes!

Im not 100%....Anfield has 45,300 seats...but with the Boxes 47,000 can attend the matches!

Wembley has many more boxes than Anfield!

And using non scientific methods and using figures i just assumed....Wembley will have a Total Capacity nearer 95,000 maybe more!
thank you eddyk, but i think it will be "only" 90,000 :D

off. website of the Wembely stadium

What is the capacity and how many general admission and corporate seats?
90,000 seat capacity. There are 71,200 general admittance seats, which is approximately the same as the entire capacity of the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.

71,200 general admittance seats + 18.800.VIP/ Business/ Press

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/ENG.html

but i don't think that it will have exactyl 90,000...maybe 90,654 or something like that :)

i read somwhere that the lower tier could be modified in the future to hold more seats, with less room per seat, i guess this would be something they would only impliment if there was enough demand, but would drag the capacity over the 100,000 mark and towards 110k

enough demand?in England? :D....the english people need actually a 250,000 stadium

Still they are only the seats you mention there....VIP seats are on the stands themselves!

What we need to fid out is who many suites are in the New Wembley....and how many people they hold!

enough demand?in England? :D....the english people need actually a 250,000 stadium

If only

I think the huge stadiums we have and will have is enough for the UK, considering the numerous 50,000+ stadiums being planned.

Lets not forget Hull in Englands 4th division have a 25,000 seater stadium which would be in Hollands top 10. that just shows the depth and support of British sports.

Only really Australia :) can compare.

Box seats are included in the general capacity at every stadium in the UK, Wembley and Anfield included.

March pics are up 2 weeks early :runaway:

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/photodiary/march2005

Looking like a real stadium now.

Yes...nice one Wembley!

I hate waiting for the diary to be updated....Come a few days earlier....im happy!

Nice to see the Lower tiers taking shape now

I heard once that the capacity of the New Wembley is limited to 90.000 because the Tube lines and trains cannot handle more passengers...

I dont think thats true!

There are 3 tube stations in wembley....and all are being re fitted....and i know of at least one which is being largely expanded!

its so simple london 2012 rocks wembley rocks!

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/wembley_crosssection.gif

this always freaks me out....my memories of old wembley are of it being massive ....i might collapse at the sheer size of the new

It is the biggest stadium in the world....so you just might!


I wouldt care if the first match was Arsenal V Chelsea im gonna try my hardest to get a ticket!


Im a Liverpool fan by the way!

im beginning to get depressed and realising that london although i believe they will win 2012 bid might actually just miss out to paris, i cant imagine any other olympics in 2012 but in london..

Can someone explain to me why this isn't being used as the Olympic Stadium?

Surely the planned redevelopment of Wembley could include the Olympic Village, and capacity on the Jubilee Line increased to hold more passengers.

Can someone explain to me why this isn't being used as the Olympic Stadium?

Surely the planned redevelopment of Wembley could include the Olympic Village, and capacity on the Jubilee Line increased to hold more passengers.


It has been designed mainly for football!

A running track can be fitted....but at the cost of 25,000 seats!

65,000 is too small for an Olympic stadium!

^and the concept of rejuvenating East London is more likely to win votes with the IOC, u know all the legacy of games spiel et al...

it is being used... as the football stadium

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL85/949935/2682391/34056835.jpg
Hmmm, i dunno about this design... it's not my favourite I have to say. But i bet it will be an awesome place to see some footy games in the future! :)

What about this design?

http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/hi_res_03.jpg

I'd like to see one more arch on the other side of the stadium :D

Yeah you're right!


It would look alot better!

This stadium is the bollocks!!!! Cant wait, it is gonna be so so so so so so so so unbelievable!!

http://img130.exs.cx/img130/9108/awembleystadium6months1pf.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Top Picture...March 2005

Bottom Picture...October 2004

6 months


Thats the thing about these builders...they're not ordinary builders....because they really do what this thing to be done ASAP....so they're working their asses off!

HI Eddy

Can you tell me how you saved the photo from march 2005 on the official wembley site? It says function disabled when i right click on the photos.

If possible can you post all of March's photos on here?

Cheers

I press 'print screen'

It would take ages for me to put all the pictures up that way!

Time is one thing i dont have at the moment... sorry!

Anyone know when the roof arrives?


A thought!

Thats why the US football stadiums dont have roofs....some are very big...and it would be a huge expensive task to but a roof on!


I mean look at that airal view of wembley....now imagine a roof on it!

the roof is actually the best thing at the stadium..its moveable

Anyone know when the roof arrives?

A thought!

Thats why the US football stadiums dont have roofs....some are very big...and it would be a huge expensive task to but a roof on!

I mean look at that airal view of wembley....now imagine a roof on it!

The weather is generally far better during the US football season aswell isnt it? The same is true of football stadiums in places like Spain, Brazil and Argentina where not needing to construct a roof allows clubs to have much larger stadiums.

Roofs also keep the sun off aswell!

And I wouldnt say 'far' better!

Just cheap i tells ya!

Anoyone got pictures of the roof closed?

Anyone got pictures of the roof closed?

I was looking for the same thing. Cant find a pic anywhere. :dunno:
I also wanted to know whether the goal ends are covered when the roof is in its "closed" position.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/takeourtour

Watch the video....you will see just how great wembley is!

A roof terrace where fans can relax before the match and look at the London Skyline while having a nice frosty beer!

Top Stuff

It also shows you what the roof will look like closed!

Great stuff in that video. I'm hoping the concourse looks much better than that though. A thing or two could be learned from other venues.

Looks like a freaking mall or a shopping street in London-Gatwick from the inside.

Can anybody tell me the name of the homepage where I can compare data like size, capacity of buildings and stadiums. Just can't remember the URL.
Thank you!!

I think Gatwick Airport is probably a slight improvement on the concourses at the old Stadium that were usually overflowing with urine!

I heard Tottenham might be moving in to Wembley?

I heard this months ago....it might of changed...Ill tray and post some sources if I cn find any!

I heard Tottenham might be moving in to Wembley?

I heard this months ago....it might of changed...Ill tray and post some sources if I cn find any!

I can't see that happening myself given the amount of public/FA cash thats been put into the devolpment. The most likely club use I'd guess would be Chelsea hiring it out for champions league games like Arsenal did a few times with the old stadium.

If anyone cared....and I know you do....Mid March pic of Wembley!

http://img192.exs.cx/img192/2673/newwembley19rm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Saw the site close up in real life for the first time today. Must say these pics really don't give its size justice as its absolutely massive...makes Old Trafford/Millenium Stadium seem slightly provincial.

Its twice as big as the Millennium stadium I believe! (largest in Wales)

2.5 times the size of the Stade de France! (Biggest in France)

.7 times as big as the Telstra Stadium! (Biggest in Oz)

This pic here shows its size well I think!................................................\/

http://img157.exs.cx/img157/9277/1wembleystadium5tw.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

mad did u take any pics?

cheers

A twip down memory lane!

http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~mirad/Stadioni/wembley.jpg
One of the SIX champions league finals it hosted...more than any other stadium!

http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/images/pictures/1966_winning_goal.jpg
The 1966 world cup final winning goal...infront of around 100,000 people!

http://pastadia.9online.fr/wembley1.jpg
The famous white horse that was used to keep back 200,000 fans!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/world/news/2000/05/19/wembley_final_ap/t1_wembley_all.jpg
Airial view of the stadium on that day!

http://www.paulholman.com/lastadia.jpg
http://www.happyfanclub.it/DVD%20pics/Live%20Aid%20Artist/PDVD_000.JPG
http://www.virgin.net/music/picturegalleries/liveaid/pix/01_main.jpg
Biggest music concert ever.....Live Aid

http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/afpji/20041015/041015121449.w9iphns40b.jpg
Under Demolition!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/sport/images/wembley_demolition.jpg
Only the world famous twin towers remain!
http://images.scotsman.com/2003/02/08/0802twinb.jpg
They come down :(

mad did u take any pics?

cheers

Sorry i didn't, me being my usual prepared self forgot to bring a camera. :bash:

Next time take one!

P.S
Anyone know the dimensions of the two video screens?

Ill tell you on thing....they wound be surrounded my mountains of advertising like in the NFL stadiums

http://www.iaam.org/Facility_manager/Pages/2002_Nov_Dec/issueart/reliant-stadium.jpg

News:

The Rolling Stones will play their last gig at the Wembley stadium in June 2006!

Sourse: The paper im reading!

Wembley will be the best stadium in the world in my opinion. Not because of its general facilities, which will no doubt be excellent but probably about equalled elsewhere.
Its unquestionably the most famous stadium in the world and I also like the fact that its a national stadium, built by an association not another home venue of a big team where the stadium profits will make super rich multi millionaires even richer. I think it will be extremly profitable and benefit football in general both financially but many lower level cup competitions depend on a wembley-final.

What is really brilliant is the roof. Its perfect. Who needs a traditional sliding roof?? (in the UK climate anyway) It serves no real purpose, whereas the Wembley roof will adress several issues.

All the may finals can be played in the afternoon with the entire pitch in the sunshine despite the crowd being close to the pitch. No giant shadows making viewing annoying for the 99.99% of people who have to follow these games on TV. In the Millennium they actually shut the roof because of this and its sad to have indoor football on a sunny may day

currently no football stadium in the world can offer that and at the same time have everyone under cover if it rains.
Even better is what this system will do for the pitch. Modern pitch technology is so advanced that all pitches could be absolutely perfect year-round had it not been for the big roofs on modern stadiums. Wembley´s roof should solve this and I wouldnt be surprised if Man United are waiting to see how it works out before perhaps including it in a possible redevelopment of the the last underdeveloped side of Old Trafford.

Its ridiculous the way some stadiums have been built with big roof constructions that can cover the pitch. The main reason is probably the prestige of having something advanced. When the grass then starts to die ,due to the enormous surprise of grass needing sun and air, fake grass is seen as the solution.

Wembley uses technology for the good of football in a unique way and the planners should be congratulated.

kingdomca, WHAT are you talking about?? Every football stadium uses technology for the good of football.

Why is it ridiculous to have large roofs that cover the supporters from rain? This is not the reason grass dies.

Old Trafford is not designed to have a sliding roof.

How do you know the roof is perfect? It's not been built yet.

How can you say a sliding roof serves no real purpose?? Atmosphere? Keeping rain out? Keeping sun glare out?

:weirdo:

The wembley pitch is being grown in a secret place up north....and has been for several months!

P.S
Man city has a problem with the sun not hitting all the ptich so on none match days this trailer equipt with dozens of lights is driven up and down the pitch my remote control very slowly....stopping in one place for half and hour....then moving on!

Lovely stadium, just great. But what team is going to play there? I mean, who does it "belong" to (like Real Madrid, Bernabeu)

Its englands national stadium!

England will play all there internationals there!

And all engish cup finals will be played there!

And other less important football matches like the playoff finals :D

Right then people....footballs over (COME ON LIVERPOOL :D)

Lets get back to posting then!


I ask again....anyone know the dimensions to the TV boards at wembley?

On the official site it says they're 600X the size of a household TV set!

How the feck big is a household TV set?

Its like asking how long a piece of rope is!

P.S
Anyone else notice also on the official site it no longer says more toilets than any other building but more than any other stadium :-S

Watching TV today I found out Heathrow airport has 1,500, wembley 2,618!

The reason that the millennium stad has a sliding roof is so that it can be used for concerts and other events, like car shows, motorcross, speedway etc, same cant be said for stadiums without a retractable
I was hoping someone would help me

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1554/wembleyseats22ef.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1452/ericssonwembley8zc.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Wembley compared to the USA largest stadium (ground area)

Doesnt look much bigger does it....but when you take into account that Wembley is more of a circle design than the usual oval design!

I really dont know any stadium thats bigger than wembley...if anyone does...tell me here!

NOT CAPACITY WISE...though wembley is/will be the largest stadium in the world with every seat under cover...capacity wise!

so, the seats will be red....eddy....please more pics

http://img12.echo.cx/img12/729/wembleymonths7dl.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Take a look of this pic of wembley from a few months ago....it certainly looks like blue seats are also on the top tier.....but it might just be covers!

Unfortuneately on the Wemley site there isnt a recent pic of wembley taken from this side!

I think i heard somewhere that the seats are in the colors of the union jack, so red, white and blue. I can't imagine that being true though with the FA and Wembley being English.

eddy...are you in London?
maybe you can take pics for us :D

No im not in London...sorry!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/sport/images/wembley3_300.jpg[img]
The seats of the old stadium were red and blue!

I think this is what the seats will look like

[img]http://www.wembleystadium.com/images/presspackimages/hi_res_02.jpg

But even more confusingly

http://img129.echo.cx/img129/6733/1wembleystadium8zx.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Also off the official wembley site!

When is construction due to end?

Abround February 2006

check this out 360* interactive viewshere (http://www.wembleystadium.com/brilliantfuture/wembley_today/360degreeInteractiveViews/)

Top link!

The seats are supposed to be red, blue and white, but only red one's have been installed so far, and yes those blue things are covers and not seats that fooled me when I first saw it.

Hello Sparks

Nevermind the colour of the seats. Don't you think they look really cheap compared to the seats installed at the new Allianz Arena.

Great new 360 views-the official site is improving all the time now but still got a way to go to match the official Allianz Arena site.

Here is a link for you.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news.asp?article_id=19712

Hardly cheap looking......same as any other stadium in the world except they are alot bigger!

As for comfort....I guess its hard to tell....soft flexible chairs of wembley....with the hard bucket seats of the Allianz arena!

What have I done now?

Cant tell how comfortable seats are by looking at a picture of them on a PC screen!

The seats in Allianz arena look better imo. More modern and futuristic.

kingdomca, WHAT are you talking about?? Every football stadium uses technology for the good of football.

Why is it ridiculous to have large roofs that cover the supporters from rain? This is not the reason grass dies.

Old Trafford is not designed to have a sliding roof.

How do you know the roof is perfect? It's not been built yet.

How can you say a sliding roof serves no real purpose?? Atmosphere? Keeping rain out? Keeping sun glare out?

:weirdo:


well, I disagree.
I think sliding roofs are often included without there being a real need. The Wembley version is far better for football.
You may think that an indoor cup final on a sunny day in may is great but I think many will disagree. Football does not need to go indoor just because its possible.

Of course its not ridiculous to have roofs over stands, thats my very point!
Wembley will be the first stadium to offer the best for all weather.

You dont think large roofs kill grass??? why does the millennium relay it all the time at a huge cost?
Of course it does, and I still believe Old Trafford will get a "wembley roof" if/when the south stand is developed if the roof works as expected, which of course is what I am basing my opinion on.

The grass is the reason why, the roof at Old Trafford slops down - basically to let in as much light as possible. Had the new grass technology been around when we built the North, I'm sure Old Trafford would've looked a lot different to it is now.

BTW the new grass, it's being developed in Texas, isn't it?

I dont think you could have included a wembley-roof on the NORTH stand.
Its why it could work out excellent for Old Trafford in that they can wait and see how wembley works in reality and then include it in a development of the south side.
Its what I think will happen because when wembley opens united fans will realise they can expand to 90,000 AND get a far better pitch as well rather than it being the usual dilemma.

It seems all night work is going on now as there are massive floodlights at the ground and it's lit up like a christmas tree.

I wouldn't be surprised. The constructor Multiplex have a contract that means they have a daily penalty of something like £120k for each day they run over the handover date some time in Feb 2006.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/manicants2005/wembleymodel200.bmp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/manicants2005/wemroof1.bmp
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/wembley/images/wembley04.jpg

Wembley is .7 times as big as the Telstra Stadium!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1720000/images/_1721243_wembley300_afp.jpg

Actually the accomodation area of Wembley is 1.7 times larger than that of Telstra Stadium but the MCG is a much larger building overall than Telstra Stadium.

I don't know what the accomodation area for the MCG is because the only time I have ever seen the term used is the list on the Wembley website and the MCG is not on it.

see thats one thing I always get confuesd with...

if I remember wembley covers 173,000 sqm....and Telstra 100,000