winning design in the 2007-2008 competition for the new building of the estonian academy of arts, a cooperation between two young danish offices sea (http://www.s-e-a.dk/) and effekt (http://www.effekt.dk/).

originally titled ART_PLAZA and recently renamed KUNSTI_PLATS, the 16-storey highrise will be an addition to the growing city area of tallinn, replacing the old and rundown building dating back to 1960's. one of the main feats of the project is a new open plaza. demolishion starts in 2010, students will move into their new home in the beginning of 2012.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/jarmo_k/11-1.jpg

a good video showing the concept:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRP4-i-l-k4

current situation. the academy building is the one next to city plaza, with the pink facade.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/jarmo_k/12.jpg

the construction papers should be done by the spring of 2010. some changes have been made compared to the original proposal. for example, the building will be more slender by 1 meter from each side. also, the plaza will feature big glass tiles to provide the workshops beneath with natural light. one of the 3 trees in front of the building must be kept - "thanks" to some treehugging folks.

more information and demolishion / construction photos will be added in this thread as things develop further.

^^ Yet to be seen :D I thought they were originally planning to start demolition this year. Btw,cutting the building more slender isnt a bad thing - thinner building would look more like a highrise. :)

What a great change it will mean for the area!

They should better build it in place of those commieblocks down the street, they are uglier than the Canon building

jarmo can u show us the other entrants in the competiton? plz

^ yea, sure. i will post some in my blog, thus far i've covered both purchase prize entries: http://katkestuste-linn.blogspot.com/2009/08/070-eka-konkursi-auhinnaline-too.html and http://katkestuste-linn.blogspot.com/2009/10/075-eka-uue-maja-konkursitoo-hollandist.html

but more will follow, hopefully. at the moment i only have one project waiting to be posted (by weathers). let me know if there's something specific you're interested in.

i just wanted to see other entrants and compare their entries to the winning project, because I do not find it that good-looking, do u know the reasons for selecting this design?

you may not find it good-looking but keep in mind that quality architecture is not only about the looks. most of the eaa building's genius lies behind the facade (although the facade is also part of the genius, heh), and in the space it creates around itself - in this case a rare open plaza in the city area. read this article http://www.solness.ee/maja/?mid=117&id=384 to get a better idea; it also includes the jury's comments.

I recognised the space that the architects created, but i am sure Tallinn has enough squares in the city centre where students could meet in the future...ok the facade mite be something that would distinguish itself from other buildings, however the shape of the building is in my opinion boring...Tallinn deserves a better shaped building, in contrast with current skyscrapers! Would you not agree with me?
If only the shape of the building itself would be different, I would be 100% happy with it, now I am like 75%...

eh. what is "a better shape" in your opinion? would you prefer another radisson sas? another seb, another architectural masturbation? a gehry, or a libeskind?

this shape is the result of the concept of this specific project. if the concept were different, so would (probably) the shape.

in good architecture idea comes first, and that idea forms the shape. of course, let us not take into consideration the "architecture of the spectacle" where function matters the least.

Absolutely i would like to see another "architectural masturbatioin" ( hilarious phrase).

Like i said its boring, but thats just my opinion.
I havent seen it built and haven't stood next to it or admired it from a distance, so I am not forming my ultimate opinion on this project. I do, on the positive note, look forward to the space it will create next to city plaza.

What is your opinion of the building not the project?

I would prefer this design,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BFXwZoCVGbQ/SoRjBNFNKAI/AAAAAAAAILc/2fJZCaH75F4/s400/1.jpg

its funky, cool and iconic, now throw in dat facade on it and bang its a masterpiece!

I would prefer this design,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BFXwZoCVGbQ/SoRjBNFNKAI/AAAAAAAAILc/2fJZCaH75F4/s400/1.jpg

its funky, cool and iconic, now throw in dat facade on it and bang its a masterpiece!

LOL, this is trash. :lol:
First project is beautyful. :)

what is so trashy about , sir?

LOL, this is trash

so i guess you must be smarter than the jury composed of professional architects and other experts (;

it's so easy to judge a book by its cover, huh?

Sirs, its not trash. The winning one is excellent, so is the one stas presented

In the second draft of some sort of a toy form. I'm not sure that it is suitable for this place. IMHO
It seems to me that a large area looks interesting. I like the first project .

haha, i like the renaming - kunsti_plats. Me personally - cant get enough of Plazas.

I wouldnt exactly go for the "toy form" project 100% perhaps, somethin taller and interesting would just suit the place much better then the "compact box"! The winnin entry building is not beatiful, its more like normal and I dont believe the archiutecture in tln is normal or standard in dat case

I will not argue. Just felt. IMHO there IMHO

I respect you opinion dude, but you didnt exactly explain your opinion. this is a heated discussion not an argument

Im write my opinion in greater detail later. Unfortunately I have to draw.

dont let us distract u...go draw

I actually like the Japanese architects (well,almost Japanise ;)) design S.T.A.S. posted here,but I also like Danes winning project. Why Japanise - most contemporary architects from there usually come up with interesting designs well fit for urban environment and why Danes - It might be bit boring design ,but we need such modest highrises for creating higher building density in downtown area.

Seems to be a cool project. :) I wish you to ubild it, if possible. :)
Looks like, Tallinn will soon become a little Tokyo in the Baltics! :)

from what angle is the winning design boring? the only "boring" thing about it is - that the facade gathers loads of heat and the internal atrium would be windy and hot.

the design is boring from every angle, cause its a cube in the middle of the city.
the project however is very nice.
well in dat case they better set up a weather station to warn all the students of incoming tornados and droughts! lol

wow what a pace. we'll be on page 5023 by the time construction starts :D

I don't think this building is boring but I do think that we don't need another square. Tallinn city centre already(still?) has too much open space, IMO. We need more buildings that come to the street edge and border it. A square would fit if the surrounding buildings were tall and the streets narrow but in this case it just makes and open field bigger and definitely less cosy.

Will there be a new render of the building because of the reducing of the size?

Will there be a new render of the building because of the reducing of the size?

it wont have such a huge impact. Bearly noticeable.

This one is very nice. The façade has something special about it, but i would like to see it done differently. It doesn't look completed. Might look better from street level/real though. :)

atm the academy is moving out of the old building. demolishion will start in march 2010, construction of the new building - in april 2010. the new building should be completed in spring 2012.

^^Demolition of old building & site clean up in just one month? ..and let's not forget the location,doing all that in the middle of busy Downtown. That's some speed :shocked: Who's the contractor?

Will the roof be an opened-space, could people rest there or something?

Bit OT,question to Tallinn forumers: what do you think about those two residential buildings next to new Art Academy building?

http://i47.tinypic.com/1gkh8n.jpg

I personally would like to see both of them go,but as they are residential buildings,with approx 50-100 apartments per building,it would be really hard to buy them off & demolish them. I think they don't have much architectural value,as they are rather typical 60's era residential buildings (similar buildings can be seen almost everywhere in Estonia) Most importantly,once the new Art Academy building is finished,they simply don't fit there any more (tbh,they don't fit there even now :ohno:)

Bit OT,question to Tallinn forumers: what do you think about those two residential buildings next to new Art Academy building?

http://i47.tinypic.com/1gkh8n.jpg

I personally would like to see both of them go,but as they are residential buildings,with approx 50-100 apartments per building,it would be really hard to buy them off & demolish them. I think they don't have much architectural value,as they are rather typical 60's era residential buildings (similar buildings can be seen almost everywhere in Estonia) Most importantly,once the new Art Academy building is finished,they simply don't fit there any more (tbh,they don't fit there even now :ohno:)

so many apartments, really tough to get rid of.

What happened to Tartu Road 15?

Ugly apartment blocks and overly wide streets are here to stay, I'm afraid. :/

What happened to Tartu Road 15?

locked in legal battle + financial crisis?
Design is outdated anyway (sorry K&P)

locked in legal battle + financial crisis?
Design is outdated anyway (sorry K&P)

Pity about that ..not that I would admire Künnapu & co works,but that 35-storey building would have been important for highrise cluster.

What happened to Tartu Road 15?

sellele anti ehitusluba juba 1990, toona baltlinki hotellile. kah k&p disain, siuke ajastukohaselt hi-tech-konstruktivistlik.

uus dp kehtestati 2005, max 35-korruselisele ja (merepinnast) 114,5 m kõrgusele büroo- ja kortermajale. taotluse esitaja - http://web.vallikraavi.ee/index.php?page_id=1

Note: SEA guys, I had this impulse to post your renders of Art Plaza from www.s-e-a.dk here. Take care!

Answer to my question: yeah, it seems that there will be an opened-space on the roof of Art Plaza; one could take sunbath, have drinks and enjoy parties or something there < joking! Shouldn't there be a pool?

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9458/47991874.png

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4314/96045108.png






http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/44/36875730.png










http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4586/10308339.gif

http://f.elu24.ee/f/2010/02/20/316975t54h478c.jpg

*Kui ma 2009. aasta EKA lõpuaktuste vaheajal Signe Kivi poole pöördusin ja mainisin, et ta on ülivinge naine, kes uue maja eest seisab. Siis, ta lubas et uus maja tuleb väga kindlalt ning küsis, et kas ta mind kallistada võib. Mis mul üle jäi. Miski kallistamismaania käib üle meie maa. Hahhaahhhaaa!

City Plaza and other neighbours are complaining about the height of the EKA building. Nimbys in the action...we'll see where that will go. It definitely doesn't affect the opening date in a positive way.

Common..
This is the SO city centre of Tallinn!!
At least we have the creative people, artists and innovators in action! Lol..

City Plaza and other neighbours are complaining about the height of the EKA building. Nimbys in the action...we'll see where that will go. It definitely doesn't affect the opening date in a positive way.

Um, isnt the planning phase over?

Um, isnt the planning phase over?
http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/492735

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http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/492735Ugh, times are changing, lady...

Damn Nimby's! Sunlight is overrated anyways,especially here,during winter. :D

Anyway,it's time to get cameras ready & say goodbye to old EKA building...demolition should start this month (fingers crossed)

Damn Nimby's! Sunlight is overrated anyways,especially here,during winter. :D

Anyway,it's time to get cameras ready & say goodbye to old EKA building...demolition should start this month (fingers crossed)
Brings back memories of the good times when everything was changing so quickly... :lol:

Great one indeed. But where the finances come from? Is Academy of Arts so rich?

Beautiful project. Nice one, Tallinn.

Great one indeed. But where the finances come from? Is Academy of Arts so rich?
Around half of it comes from the EU, the rest comes from the real estate that the Academy of Arts is planning to sell.

The NIMBYs keep on fighting: http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/493672

Foucault kirjutas raamatus "Seksuaalsuse ajalugu I," et võim tuleb alt poolt - siinpuhul on siis mõeldud, et massid ja võimutsemine toetavad üksteist. Ning, tal paistab õigus olema, et väikseim hammustab kõvemini. Kuid, üks kett on täpselt nii tugev kui selle nõrgim lüli.

Here's one more Academy of Arts design competition entry which did not win:

http://i44.tinypic.com/27y1g92.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/29nf8uw.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2dbkqif.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/2qjafiq.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/jj2uck.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/zwb18x.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/15ewidh.jpg

By Explicit Architecture (Austria) Link > http://architecture.explicit-architecture.com/NAVIGATION/haupt.html

Well,the March has ended and no demolition :(

I might aswell make a short summary about the trouble with new Art Academy building. Currently the strongest opposition to the highrise is from people of nearby residential houses. Those NIMBYs claim,that because of new,higher Art Academy building they would not have enough sunlight (wtf,are they house plants..) However,they would be happy if the new building would be built directly on the corner of Gonsiori & Laikmaa streets (i.e. where the new square should be) As far as I know,some scientists made measurements in those residential houses and found out that apartments would recieve about 12 min less sunlight every day. At the same time,new building can't be constructed on Gonsiori & Laikmaa corner either,as nearby City Plaza office highrise owners are opposing that idea (Academy of Arts would block their prime view towards harbour & sea,thus lowering value of their real estate)

Residential houses NIMBYs have said,that they are willing to go even to court to stop this project being built in current form :nuts:

One more design competition entry which did not win,this time by French:

http://i39.tinypic.com/25gcr2e.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/2i87wpt.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/9asmrn.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/hvthdz.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/10xzn61.jpg


By Mikou Design Studio (France) Link > http://www.mikoustudio.com/en/projects/academy-of-arts-tallinn-estonia-2008

http://i39.tinypic.com/25gcr2e.jpg

lol at background picture.

I think I like that French design better...

Well,the March has ended and no demolition :(

I might aswell make a short summary about the trouble with new Art Academy building. Currently the strongest opposition to the highrise is from people of nearby residential houses. Those NIMBYs claim,that because of new,higher Art Academy building they would not have enough sunlight (wtf,are they house plants..) However,they would be happy if the new building would be built directly on the corner of Gonsiori & Laikmaa streets (i.e. where the new square should be) As far as I know,some scientists made measurements in those residential houses and found out that apartments would recieve about 12 min less sunlight every day. At the same time,new building can't be constructed on Gonsiori & Laikmaa corner either,as nearby City Plaza office highrise owners are opposing that idea (Academy of Arts would block their prime view towards harbour & sea,thus lowering value of their real estate)

Residential houses NIMBYs have said,that they are willing to go even to court to stop this project being built in current form :nuts:Geez, these NIMBYs really piss me off. Those people live in the city centre, what do they expect? This is 21st century for crying out loud!

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blaa

^ well said.


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in other news:

DEMOLITION STARTED TODAY!!
http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=247840

bye-bye old house! twas fun while it lasted (:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/DSC_2060.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/2435_1_Art%20plaza%201big.jpg

:cheers: time to teach those NIMBY's a lesson. Now,where's my camera....

:cheers: time to teach those NIMBY's a lesson. Now,where's my camera....

^^
Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????
LEAVE NIMBIES ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^
Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????
LEAVE NIMBIES ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never! :D I'm YIMBY most of the time,so no nice feelings towards them.


OT: why there isn't any Estonian YIMBY movement?

;)

Something interesting from Kunstiakadeemia webpage:
Eesti Kunstiakadeemia vana maja lammutus ja uue ehitus jäädvustatakse koostöös Canon Overalliga fotoseeriana nn timelaps tehnikaga. Uue õppehoone ehitusega plaanitakse alustada 2010 sügisel.

:) It seems that this will be a well documented project.

DEMOLITION STARTED TODAY!!
http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=247840



That is nice! Hope to see updates of it here and then construction of the new building too! :)

the swan song of the old building...

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/588/57/14714359bf6a80_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/588/57/14714361382af0_o.jpg

Soo...you took photos of the old building,but didn't take photos of the demolition crew just around the corner? ;)

who cares about those guys? :D
but i did take a shot of some real demolishion. dunno if i'll show it here :D

Yes,plz! :D Even if they took few bricks off the wall in old Art Academy building,it's worth of showing. After all,it's all a good progress. :D

I agree with the previous posters who said that this building is far too nice compared with the neighbours, even those across the street, to be demolished.

Since we're living in a free society, the fact is, that those buildings aren't going anywhere.

I took few photos of the demolition today and here they are :) :

http://i42.tinypic.com/r9mwqc.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2e1yqgl.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2uftt94.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/1g3m1t.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/j8ec6f.jpg

^ verrry cool, in the second photo you can see the original building from early 1900's.

Vaadaku siis, et igaüks uude majja õppima asub!
:tongue3:

Walked past today, the demolition of the main building has progressed a lot in the last 2 days. The thing should be mostly down by the end of the month, but the section against Gonsiori road and the bus stops might prove to be difficult.

these guys are not wasting time:


bigger version: http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=14894243&size=o

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/595/76/148942436bc756_l.jpg

^^
There was a huge cloud of dust over the business district when I walked past it an hour ago.
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/05/05/361564t44hb5ff.jpg

They were busy today, here are some low-quality mobile pics:

Window removal and works at the "annex"

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt091.jpg?t=1273247593

Demolition
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt095.jpg?t=1273247577

Nice progress :cheers: With such speed,we should see construction by the end of this summer. :)

Work progressed nicely on this glorious first day of summer.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt102.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt103.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt100.jpg

I can't wait to see how this place will look like when the whole building has been demolished.
One of the things I like about this project is that it opens up the City Plaza complex to Gonsiori-Laikmaa corner. I'm a bit worried, though, that the future square on that corner will look a bit empty. But hey, they are the Academy of Arts, if they can't make this square look cool, noone can.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt102.jpg

Ahh i love demolitions!

Its as good as building but better. Know why? Well, obviously the place changes, alot. But unlike construction it happens Really Really fast.

I'm a bit worried, though, that the future square on that corner will look a bit empty.

No need to worry about that,considering the square will be in the center of Tallinn,though I hope they will make the square more friendly for people. You know - trees,flowers,few benches etc. We've got enough of 'hostile' environments built recently. For example - just across the road,small square in front of Viru shopping center (square with naked bitch),only skateboarders love it,but if you want to rest or just enjoy urban life there.. :ohno: I would prefer to see some friendly,green thinking towards common people.

...Orgastic...

One of EKA buildings floors collapsed when excavator used by demolition crew was working on it ,causing excavator to fall on it's side. Thankfully nobody was hurt (it fell on City Plaza side,barely missing the building :nuts:) They hope to reset excavator soon to continue work.

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/05/14/367552t44h040f.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/05/14/367550t44h55ba.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/05/14/367555t44h5c4f.jpg

Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=262807

Photo update,19th May :
http://i46.tinypic.com/sxhbev.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2wbx7yo.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/dvhehe.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/15zme87.jpg

Photo update,31st May:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2cqcmlc.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/29qod50.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/vrpzlv.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/11b6lie.jpg

I wonder if they'll close the sidewalk bordering the building on Gonsiori street? Considering that an unexpected cave-in has already happened on this object, I really hope they do.

I wonder if they'll close the sidewalk bordering the building on Gonsiori street? Considering that an unexpected cave-in has already happened on this object, I really hope they do.

They've only installed a fence on the sidewalk,partially closing it. I hope they plan to close entire sidewalk soon,'cos it's scary watching people wait for the bus right next to EKA wall. Yes,wall,because there isn't much left of interior structure. Damn demolition should have some danger zone marked around the site.

Anyway,photo update (15th June,yesterday):
http://i46.tinypic.com/r7j193.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/nm153b.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/m9tz52.jpg

Old art academy building demolition got into news again - apparently large piece of wall had smashed up bus pavilion right next to the building :nuts: Also,a week ago people were complaining about demolition noise (Gonsiori street side demolition takes place during night,to avoid dangerous situations for pedestrians)

Link to video (in Estonian): http://www.reporter.ee/2010/06/20/kunstiakadeemia-maja-lammutuselt-lendab-konniteele-kamakaid/

But the bus pavilion was smashed during the night when the sidewalk was closed.

The demolition should have been finished 3 days ago, but it seems it will take another week. Safety first, anyway!

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt113.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt116.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt115.jpg

june 26th:

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/155327614307b9_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/15532763973372_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/155327658870c0_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/1553276731170e_o.jpg


june 28th, taken around 2 am:

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/1553276963059a_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/15532771aea63e_o.jpg


yea, i climbed on the roof to get those photos (:

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/15532779948b04_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/155327834d688d_o.jpg


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bonus: this hotel from early 1970's will also be demolished to make way for a bigger, 13-storey hotel.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/15532785277e2a_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/621/31/1553276963059a_o.jpg

Awesome! :cheers: Shows how much space old EKA groundscraper wasted. This area will look great once they've cleared the site.

http://static.epl.ee/pildid/2010/normal/171094.jpg

Photo update,14th July :

Site has been almost cleared,only tiny part of wall is still standing on Gonsiori street.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2iaerdf.jpg

Probably just few more days of demolition.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2ezmlib.jpg

How cool is that? You can almost imagine new building standing here :)
http://i25.tinypic.com/6zx5w6.jpg

Deadline for demolition is 25th July,but looks like they manage to end it before deadline. After that some archaeological excavations are planned here (it was location of ancient settlement) and once archaeologists finish,we should finally see construction :banana:

One additional photo from yesterday:
http://i30.tinypic.com/1trbes.jpg

I did a small drawing to figure out how Kunstiakadeemia building might look like from street level,once it's built. I know that my old highschool art teacher would kill me for such bad perspective drawing,but it should be more or less accurate. Looks like internal structure would not be that impressive from ground level,as those so called 'view corridors' look rather small. Anyway,dark blue - internal stucture,floors etc; light blue - exterior cladding,glass etc.
http://i25.tinypic.com/4qhled.jpg

^^ Let's get rid of those stupid underpasses and bring people back on the ground where they belong! Can you imagine how cool it would be...a diagonal zebra across the intersection from EKA square to the statue of Hämarik.

+1 :yes:

I don't see why underground tunnel was needed there,as traffic volumes aren't that high there. They should have made it the other way around - underground Laikmaa/Gonsiori junction for cars and people would have got real,full size square between Cityplaza,Kaubamaja & Viru center :)

I hate to start bitching,but Kaubamaja overhead tunnel on Estonia avenue (overpass?) kills off western part of that area (it's ugly,badly proportioned and not so 'glassy' as originally planned) They might as well could have built a full size building to enclose the street there. Hopefully it doesn't stay there for long.

Great place. If it was me i would also demolish those stalinist (?) houses and build some midrises as cute as this is. :)

I would demolish them too,but because of whole different reason - those buildings are full of NIMBY's!!

http://i25.tinypic.com/6zx5w6.jpg


yo Tin...please give me this pic for 20 euro. Y/N

P.S. think fast

No problem,PM me your e-mail address and I can send you the original photo. But you have to wait atleast one week before I can send it,as I'm currently somewhere in Estonian wilderness an don't have access to my PC nor my photos.

Btw,what are you going to do with it? It's rather old photo (two months or so)...

^^ Yep, the plot is now totally flat.

No problem,PM me your e-mail address and I can send you the original photo. But you have to wait atleast one week before I can send it,as I'm currently somewhere in Estonian wilderness an don't have access to my PC nor my photos.

Hey, watch your messages. and send me your contact!
no need for a original photo, I have already photoshopped it 1000 times for website. Its just a intelligent way to give thanks to your work in small scale :)

Yeahyeahyeah, I saw the plot yesterday, it is flattest flat or rather flat anyway. :|
And, brown too, wohoo.

I saw it yesterday as well. Looked like a nice field to plant some urban shrubbery from afar.

Mrs Signe Kivi
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/08/27/423578t54he82a.jpg

(Shape of Australia and) the white stripes
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/08/27/423575t54h7b88.jpg

Niveus Equus
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/08/27/423574t54h7c69.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/08/27/423566t54hc509.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2010/08/27/423571t54h625a.jpg

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXVsRKi54Pk

nice humour; low end off-the-shelf ideas for weird PR.
+1 to stoops :D

+2 for idea, that background commieblocks must take also down, yeeah.

Few days...well,almost a week ago slightly altered detail planning got finally approved by city council (take that,NIMBY's! :D)

Hopefully will things speed up now and they start construction in this year.

Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=322883

EDIT: Here's the plan itself: http://www.tallinn.ee/ametlikud_teated?action=open_file&fail_id=465&tyyp=1

Uus maja tuleb päris mahukas ja nähtav, nende 70.8 meetriga maapinnast, võrreldes kasvõi kõrvalasuva kõrghoonega.

^^
Ei jõua ära oodata seda kui see valmis on. Peaks olema päris nähtav lisa ka linna 'kilukarbi' vaatele.

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Anyway,it looks like Art Academy construction works won't start in this year :( Archaeologists found ruins of several old buildings on Art Academy site and want to have a large scale excavations.

Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=334881

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Btw,I found another Art Academy architectural competition proposal which didn't win. (thankfully! ..as it's quite boring one :P)
http://www.amhold.ee/tootepildid/toode_65/img_26297.jpg

http://www.amhold.ee/tootepildid/toode_65/img_28866.jpg

http://www.amhold.ee/tootepildid/toode_65/img_20390.jpg

This one was by Amhold AS (Estonia)

oh god.... look at that ...

Looks like Tartu Kaubamaja, only prettier

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/projekt/projekt-9.jpg

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/projekt/projekt-valgus.jpg

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/projekt/projekt-11.jpg

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/projekt/projekt-2.jpg

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/linnaruum/linnaruum-3.png

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/linnaruum/linnaruum-4.jpg

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/arhitektid/1ArtPlaza5958.jpg

^^
The last photo - now imagine that with several-times-rejected highrise proposal for Kaubamaja building block,on Rävala avenue side. Afaik,people behind this project were dead serious about it and if it would have been approved,construction would have started almost immediately. Really awesome highrise cluster would have formed there...


Anyway,back to topic - timelapse video of old art academy building demolition,from same source Rene used:
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(Back to off-topic.) Why was it rejected?

It was too close to Old Town protection zone (proposed highrise was basically less than 100m from zone border) which forbids construction of highrise buildings near Old Town. Afaik,two years ago after last rejection by city,developer didn't give up on this project and hopefully some day they might try to get that approval again.

One crude render of it. It should be from first project proposal,as last proposal had it seriously changed. Tiny white line behind it is City Plaza and this render is nearly 180° rotation of Rene's photo (i.e.view from opposite direction):
http://www.tarbija24.ee/foto/5/0/96205463fa07d3d780_3.jpg

EKA has put up a container with information about their new building on the future construction site, which I visited today. What I read and saw was not very good to hear, the construction itself will start no earlier than summer and the final project lacks the spiraling atrium that was promised a few years ago.

This could be old news but I heard about this for the first time. It still think it is going to be an amazing structure.

no atrium? What? Seriously? I dont believe you!

Huh? But rotating atrium was like only thing what made this building unique! I've also have trouble of believing it..but...on the other hand,abandoning it would help to lower construction costs :sly:

no atrium? What? Seriously? I dont believe you!

Go look for yourself, it is open until 7 o'clock. Some floors will still have double-height sections, but apparently the spiral was cancelled because of problems with fire safety and floor plates which were too small to allow for the whole university to fit into the building.

Getting a little sick about projects getting clipped of their concepts core.

Estonian national museum - NO WALKING ON ROOF

Arts Academy - NO SPIRAL ATRIUM, NO LOAD BEARING FACADE

whats next?

I hate to say it, but this is normal today. It wasnt normal in 80 till 05 or something like that. Toady rules the money and if you can do it easyer you are the king, if you are your thing enthusiast then you are loser or lazy. So what do you choose. It is not only the problem of Estonia, but same is in US or Europe. Russia still has some ambitions be better than the WEST but anyway whocares these days ?

http://www.jeffkoons.com/site/images/pro1_sm.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2009/03/02/bourgeois-maman-natgallery.jpg

Why do you post these pictures here? Are they thinking of putting something like that on the Academy of Arts square?

How about this then (Ladeuzeplein, Leuven, Belgium. Artist: Jan Fabre)

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_PaOOowrzZ9k/S42NzSXptLI/AAAAAAAAMD0/9xWcnJ73Ljk/s400/DSC_9208.JPG

(^ the two pieces of art rené posted are used in the diagram above...)

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but yea... the initial concept of the building is gone: no atrium.

That spider sure is popular here,as National Museum renders also had it on them :D

Anyway,I found out that Art Academy project description lists all changes to internal structure:
...Maapealse hooneosa suletud brutopinda on suurendatud 4000m2 võrra...
...Kavandatud Eesti Kunstiakadeemia uue õppehoone esine väljak jätkub ehitises 4 üksiku aatriumina eskiislahenduses pakutud spiraalse aatriumilahenduse asemel...

As C30 said,structure was also changed because of lack of space for workshops (I think I should dig out some old newspapers,where some 'experts' claimed that new Art Academy is too large for EKA :D)

I want this project done rait now!!

Here's the plan of one floor of the new building in the competition project and in the construction project. Besides the obvious columns they seem to have replaced the facade with the usual glass wall. :(

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1103/eka20092010.jpg

i don't want this built anymore :(

Will this even slightly resemble the original renders?

Will this even slightly resemble the original renders?

no. Except the shape, which isnt too hard to pull off.

so it's another boring glass rectangle, hope the court infront of the building is still being built. they better make it awesome, otherwise it's just depressing

Wtf? So basically they thought that they don't want boring glass box,had cool building designed by Danes and in the end they are still build boring glass box?

:gaah:

Here's the plan of one floor of the new building in the competition project and in the construction project. Besides the obvious columns they seem to have replaced the facade with the usual glass wall. :(

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1103/eka20092010.jpg

Can anybody familiar with construction drawings confirm that the "columns" aren't just crossings of section lines? I dunno why they would have so many sections if it wasn't for columns, but I'm quite sure the main project, as exbihited in the container, didn't have them.

originally the ferroconcrete facade was meant to be loadbearing, but now it's nothing but pastiche and those columns you see in drawing 2 will be loadbearing instead... :(

The media has finally caught it up:
http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=429107
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=429133

The media has finally caught it up:
http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=429107
http://www.postimees.ee/?id=429133

And in English: http://news.err.ee/economy/5d76fa6b-def3-4f0b-a2c2-566cb257ff22

So...is this on hold now?

EKA representative said in one interview that they are still in progress of redesigning the project (I wonder what SEA/Effekt think about ruining their design) and the archaeological excavations on site haven't started either. Last thing is really odd,as procurement for finding excavations contractor had clause in it that contractor has 1 year for works...on directly the spot where Art Plaza should rise!

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226852_10150174282033610_814318609_6735622_7828677_n.jpg

source: that facebook group

you can see the plans at G9 dormitory if you have friends there who let you in

+ wooden fences are being put up on the site (for this archaeological stuff I guess)


PS I just reflect the thing - no comments from me, I am not that bright anyway

:bash:

Now wait just a little - is that supposed to be the facade or is it just a section drawing? If facade, then :bash: indeed!

(It seems like a section through the parking level ramp, so the facade should be portrayed accurately.)

Welcome year 1972 - Gonsori street Radio building vol 2

Dont get worked up over it. It will still get glue-on bracing.

It will still get glue-on bracing.

... if they didn't glue the diagonal pastiches on the building it wouldn't be the same building they asked money for :D

welcome to the eu bureaucracy!

i say let's make the diagonal grids out of scotch-tape! let's make a 'happening' of it, right after the box is completed.

...or we should rent 4 lasers, to visualize each wall with the diagonal pastiches through the help of RGB generator.
...mh purple...no...no to much Artun patriotic....yellow...green. Super greeeen.

... if they didn't glue the diagonal pastiches on the building it wouldn't be the same building they asked money for :D

welcome to the eu bureaucracy!

i say let's make the diagonal grids out of scotch-tape! let's make a 'happening' of it, right after the box is completed.

eu bureaucracy? Take that back!

...or we should rent 4 lasers, to visualize each wall with the diagonal pastiches through the help of RGB generator.
...mh purple...no...no to much Artun patriotic....yellow...green. Super greeeen.

oh my, thats a fantastic idea.

LED lights everywhereeeeeeeee!

oh my, thats a fantastic idea.

LED lights everywhereeeeeeeee!

:popcorn: oh LED's again...well, if you want a bigger freedom statue or "Independent war monument" then....sure why not. (kiddin')

Few disco balls near Art Plaza front entrance would also help to lighten things up,but all that can't help hiding the fact that there's very little architectural value left. Advertising it as fine example of Danish architecture (like EKA has done),while at the same time tearing apart every aspect of original SEA/Effekt design, is especially disgusting.

Archaeological excavations will start in next week and last until autumn.

EKA PR spokesperson talking about construction starting time:
Jahnke sõnul ei ole veel teada, millal kunstiakadeemia uut hoonet ehitama hakatakse. Praegu pole akadeemia nõukogu veel isegi tulevase maja eelprojekti kinnitanud, sest projekti tegemine alles käib.

Full article is here: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=447562

Seriously,how did such awesome project ended up so f**ked up? :bash: And I'm not buying that 'Masu cut our finances for the project' BS by EKA. They had to have some estimates on construction cost before economic crisis and should have planned their funding according to that. Besides,if Masu changed anything,then it reduced construction costs,which should make Art Academy construction even cheaper than it would have originally been.

EKA site today (17th July):
http://i51.tinypic.com/35jhwk3.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2db3p1u.jpg

Still no word when the construction will start :( Ironically,the banner on site doesn't have any renders on it (usually most construction sites happily show what is going to be built) Probably has smth to do with redesigned looks of new Art Academy :D

I'm beginning to think that the idea to sell the exclusive plot and use the money to build something cool a little further away from the city centre is quite sound...

I'm beginning to think that the idea to sell the exclusive plot and use the money to build something cool a little further away from the city centre is quite sound...

You said it!

I'm beginning to think that the idea to sell the exclusive plot and use the money to build something cool a little further away from the city centre is quite sound...
NO NO NO NO NO!!!
It's already enough that everything else is moving away from the centre, at least something should stay.
Besides, what else would be built at the site? In the next 5 years probably nothing which would mean another addition to the gravel parking lot mania in central Tallinn.
But the main reason why it will and should be built at that location is because they've spent millions of euros for that specific project in that specific place. The money gained by moving to a another location would be lost because of that.

http://www.epl.ee/news/eesti/kunstiakadeemia-lukkab-kopa-ikkagi-maasse.d?id=58097128 :)

^^
...Maybe construction will finally start in next spring? :shifty:




http://i55.tinypic.com/eq9hcp.jpg
Motherf**king Tinypic! :mad:

Construction of new EKA building might begin in late autumn. (http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/573446/kunstiakadeemia-uue-hoone-ehitus-voib-alata-hilissugisel/) EKA PR-person Solveig Jahnke said, that although three dwellers from nearby buildings insist on moving the building 25 metres towards Laikmaa street, the current location would be better, as in the future, car traffic on Gonsiori and Laikmaa intersection would be moved underground and the area between Viru keskus and Academy of Arts would be a pedestrian zone.
Jahnke sõnul on linnaruumiliselt siiski palju parem, kui uus hoone jääb projektiga kavandatud asukohta. Põhjus on selles, et tulevikus on kavas autoliiklus Gonsiori ja Laikmaa tänava ristmikul viia maa alla ning inimesed liiguksid ristmikul tänavatasandil. Praegu on tegemist vastupidise olukorrga.

«Nii tekiks uus linnaväljak, mis ühendaks Viru keskuse ja kunstiakadeemia vahelise ala ühtseks terviklikuks ruumiks, kus jalakäijad saaksid turvaliselt teed ületada,» selgitas Jahnke.

as in the future, car traffic on Gonsiori and Laikmaa intersection would be moved underground and the area between Viru keskus and Academy of Arts would be a pedestrian zone.

That's exactly what I said that they should do. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=60669345&postcount=106) :D Of course that raises question,what was the point of constructing Laikmaa street pedestrian tunnel,when entire area will be converted into public space and car traffic will be diverted underground in the future.

Estonian logic?

I might lack the thinking of engineers and urban planners, but where would the proposed tunnel begin and end? Directing car traffic underground after Estonia pst - Kaubamaja str intersection and bringing it back on ground after Gonsiori - Kivisilla intersection would be quite pointless and a rather large waste of money in my opinion.

there is bus terminal in the way anyway, it won't happen.

As EKA plot is near Seegi (Seegi church and graveyard), it means that 1,5 years there will be some archeologists around diggin a friggin el sceletos.
After that, lets talk about starting build a sniff of a rather good architecture.

According to Solveig Jahnke, the archaeologists will have finished by late autumn...
Praegu askeldavad kunstiakadeemia uue hoone asukohal arheoloogid, kes uurivad vana asulakohta. See töö peaks aga lõppema hilissügisel ning pärast seda võibki põhimõtteliselt maja maa-alust osa rajama hakata.

My impression after reading through the tread is that the pictures in the op do not represent what's going to be built, is that right? So are there any renders of the current design?
:)

My impression after reading through the tread is that the pictures in the op do not represent what's going to be built, is that right? So are there any renders of the current design?
:)
Yes and no,there aren't any up-to-date renders. Those bastards have raped the project so much that it probably looks like ordinary glass box and is light years behind the original Danish design. :bash: And officials & Art Academy people still continue to use old renders to promote the project...

Former and current students of EKA expressed they feelings about current situation of things on a fence surrounding EKA site. They are also continuing their crusade to keep the architectural value of Danish design.

Full gallery is here: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?g=5988&art=616198#216492

:applause:
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/10/30/812714t54h20ea.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/10/30/812726t54h3af3.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/10/30/812732t54h32d8.jpg

Meanwhile,new Art Academy building suffered yet another setback as CONSTRUCTION STILL CAN'T BEGIN,AS 2 NEIGHBOURS FROM ADJACENT BUILDING REFUSED TO SETTLE AN AGREEMENT.

Source: http://uudised.err.ee/index.php?06237891

Yes,you read it correctly - two ..excuse my language.. s***heads have put EKA project,which is already troubled,on hold indefinitely. If EKA is forced to continue renting rooms for teaching students for a few more years,then we can kiss the new building goodbye,as EKA will simply waste all of it's money on rental fees.

...well, its easier to give money for example to Greece, rather build something useful.

^^ What has this got to do with anything?

EKA management has acted like a bunch of retards, tearing down an old but functioning building before they had enough money or the necessary permissions for the new building.

No offense meant, but this is starting to sound like it will turn into a huge disappointment. :ohno:

^^ It already is, mate, with all the redesigning and delays.

^^ Perhaps it's for the better if it don't get built then? Have anyone seen the new design yet?

^^
Cancellation of new Art Academy construction would be a wet dream of real estate developers. Sure,the design is f**ked up,but almost every problem is actually related buildings location - it's just too good spot. In fact there's a strong hidden agenda to push Art Academy from it's current location - some random people claim that "academy doesn't suit there" (despite being there for decades! :nuts:), "parking & transportation problems" (although most students use PT and there are also several parking house around EKA site) or just "let's get it built to some other location in the suburbia" (without actually thinking that is a lot easier for students to go to school in Downtown,than in suburbia which doesn't have so good PT access)

Anyway...

EKA neighbours have found a new problem - Art Academy site is being dug deeper!!

http://y.delfi.ee/norm/230827/12576127_ImP4Gz.jpeg

Problematic neighbours suspect that EKA is willingly risking and is digging site deeper (in another words - is doing preparation works). EKA has said that current work is necessary to strengthen the side walls of hole,which was dug for archaeological study.
Neighbours however claim that they have been presented controversial and even false expert opinions throughout entire project.
Art Academy's neighbours are afraid about survival of their buildings and wish that new academy would be moved to Gonsiori & Laikmaa street junction,as it would solve the problem of lower sunlight (basically,design would be rotated,so that the square would face the problematic buildings)

Source: http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/eka-ja-naabrite-uus-tuli-kunstiakadeemia-suvendab-krunti.d?id=60869189



What the f**k is wrong with those people? :doh:

^^
Cancellation of new Art Academy construction would be a wet dream of real estate developers. Sure,the design is f**ked up,but almost every problem is actually related buildings location - it's just too good spot. In fact there's a strong hidden agenda to push Art Academy from it's current location - some random people claim that "academy doesn't suit there" (despite being there for decades! :nuts:), "parking & transportation problems" (although most students use PT and there are also several parking house around EKA site) or just "let's get it built to some other location in the suburbia" (without actually thinking that is a lot easier for students to go to school in Downtown,than in suburbia which doesn't have so good PT access)

Anyway...

EKA neighbours have found a new problem - Art Academy site is being dug deeper!!

http://y.delfi.ee/norm/230827/12576127_ImP4Gz.jpeg

Problematic neighbours suspect that EKA is willingly risking and is digging site deeper (in another words - is doing preparation works). EKA has said that current work is necessary to strengthen the side walls of hole,which was dug for archaeological study.
Neighbours however claim that they have been presented controversial and even false expert opinions throughout entire project.
Art Academy's neighbours are afraid about survival of their buildings and wish that new academy would be moved to Gonsiori & Laikmaa street junction,as it would solve the problem of lower sunlight (basically,design would be rotated,so that the square would face the problematic buildings)

Source: http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/eka-ja-naabrite-uus-tuli-kunstiakadeemia-suvendab-krunti.d?id=60869189



What the f**k is wrong with those people? :doh:

retards.

Tincan: "decades" :ohno:

Arts Academy has been there 97 years, and nearest buildings are City Plaza (6-7 years) to soviet time 5 floor "khrushchev'kies" block.

These nimby's really piss me off. You live in the city centre, of course new and big buildings are going to be built around your 1950's Soviet apartment building. It's the 21st century and if the Art Plaza won't be built there, something else will. This shouldn't be so shocking considering the fact how you've been living in your apartment for 20 years and seen new highrises being built around your house.

EKA fights back! :lol: > http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/622910/naabri-jonn-hoiab-prugikonteinerit-bussipeatuses/

For now it is clear that the Art Plaza building, even the last stripped-down version will highly unlikely be built there. There are so many reasons for that - neighbours protest, insufficient budget, deadlines for planning consent, not to mention the extremly uninspiring and dull architectural appearance this building has now. I could show you the last design if I would know I'm allowed to do that.

I wouldn't be disappointed if it will not be built. No need for another lame office building in the center of the city.

By the way, this section drawing that was represented earlier here, is actually unofficial sketch that was supposed to show the ramp solution. The building facade was not accurate. But nevertheless, the real one are not far from that. Diagonal framework is gone, horizontal remains and there are additional imposts where inner walls meet facade. And that's about it. No diagonals, no atriums, no open floor area - nothing.

I didn't even really like the project in its original form. Now I hope it dies.

^^
Cancellation of new Art Academy construction would be a wet dream of real estate developers. Sure,the design is f**ked up,but almost every problem is actually related buildings location - it's just too good spot. In fact there's a strong hidden agenda to push Art Academy from it's current location - some random people claim that "academy doesn't suit there" (despite being there for decades! :nuts:), "parking & transportation problems" (although most students use PT and there are also several parking house around EKA site) or just "let's get it built to some other location in the suburbia" (without actually thinking that is a lot easier for students to go to school in Downtown,than in suburbia which doesn't have so good PT access)


Moving it to suburbia really would be stupid, but why not the port? Patarei has been suggested before, and another possibility would be somewhere behind TLÜ, with all the developments going on there. I am simply afraid that the current planned building might be too small for the academy's future needs, and there's no expansion space at all! The idea of putting the whole university into a single building is a short-term strategy.

Now that the Danish project has turned into an office building, one might well use it as such, housing not private-sector tenants but rather governmental culture institutions.

^^
That midrise of cultural institutions idea might work.

As for relocating Art Academy - one of the reason's why Patarei prison was not selected,were it's enormous renovation costs (renovating entire prison complex would probably cost more that building several new art academy buildings). Art Academy in Tallinn University's campus would be really nice,but unfortunately available space is limited there and private real estate developers aren't going to give up their owned land so easily (cheaply).

A sad picture of EKA site from today
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/taniel0401/MISC/DSC01723.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375418_2620394422898_1046302769_2775949_1729873519_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/378713_2620395822933_1046302769_2775950_378791116_n.jpg

I guess it's hard to make a better compromise.

So this is the new look? ...well,I guess it's okay :sleepy: It bothers me bit that new design is so block-ish. Structural changes are also bit extreme - only the building height is more or less the same,as at the beginning,when Danes won design contest. Everything else has been radically changed.

I'm not sure if I like it or not :S. The weirdest thing ever. I can't decide, though one this is sure that it's not the original :(. Btw a stupid q: is the roof accessible?

Sorry but I hate it...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4oocsvw_9rs/Tghb72wHZzI/AAAAAAAAAp0/iOFcMCw3_TE/s1600/okay.JPG
It's okay, could be much worse. Looks nothing like the orginal though which is a shame.

:( Really sad.
I am learning in Art academy and I see there is no other option than building it. Most of my classes are in Gonsori 8 building and it is terrible. Its an old dormitory. Plaster is falling down from walls and so on..

So this is the new look? ...well,I guess it's okay :sleepy: It bothers me bit that new design is so block-ish. Structural changes are also bit extreme - only the building height is more or less the same,as at the beginning,when Danes won design contest. Everything else has been radically changed.

Actually the building is 14 floor high now (was originally 16 floor).

I'm not sure if I like it or not :S. The weirdest thing ever. I can't decide, though one this is sure that it's not the original :(. Btw a stupid q: is the roof accessible?

Yes and no - there are moderate terrace on the 14th floor which is (right now) surrounded by facade but mostly roofless. Academy wants to remove the walls as well but I think it is not such a good idea. The terrace situates in the northwest corner.

Anyway, the renderings are nice and cleverly illuminated but think about it - in real life it's just another lame glass box.

http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/pdf/20111213_EKA_project_status.pdf

Kunsti Platz
?

menu däädi tuuli tänä Tärtuu
?


lol

menu däädi tuuli tänä Tärtuu
What kind of a dialect is this? :lol:

It is the dialect you get when translating Art Plaza to Estonian, but keeping the Z.

When people in Estonia want to buy a plaza, they go to a plaza shop. If they want to buy a plaza shop, they go to a plaza shop shop. If they want to buy a plaza shop shop, well, they're just being silly.

Kunzt Platz on zihuke azi mida matzid ei moizta. Ist das klar?



Anyway,I wish good luck to students and I hope they will get maps & GPS for locating study rooms & studios,as the floorplan of new design looks really messy and placement of rooms is overly complicated.

... the floorplan of new design looks really messy and placement of rooms is overly complicated.

So is a lot of modern art. Therefore, a perfect match. :laugh:

if this 'winning design' proved to be so complicated to realize, why didn't eka decide on choosing a project that would fit in the approved detailed planning, i.e. second or third prize entry... now it's too late of course.

Anyway,I wish good luck to students and I hope they will get maps & GPS for locating study rooms & studios,as the floorplan of new design looks really messy and placement of rooms is overly complicated.

So you have seen new floor plans? Because those in this pdf file are quite old, from the time where there were still atriums.

Actually, new floorplans are not that messy as they were in the meantime.

tsekkige tänast sirpi.

After reading Mutso's article,I've got a question - considering how much EKA's new building has been redesigned,simplified and gone through budget cuts,will it still be sufficiently large and will it have enough free space for academy's future expansions? Have they considered their future plans,while cutting the project from every end?

I mean it would be plain stupid,if ten years from now on academy "suddenly" realises that they built too small building with poor room placement,which can't cope with their growth.

Kusjuures sirp on siinmail blokeeritud. Oeh.

After reading Mutso's article,I've got a question - considering how much EKA's new building has been redesigned,simplified and gone through budget cuts,will it still be sufficiently large and will it have enough free space for academy's future expansions? Have they considered their future plans,while cutting the project from every end?

I mean it would be plain stupid,if ten years from now on academy "suddenly" realises that they built too small building with poor room placement,which can't cope with their growth.
Correct me if I'm wrong but since they did away with the spiralling atrium, there should be more floor space than in the original design if you exclude the reduced number of floors.

Correct me if I'm wrong but since they did away with the spiralling atrium, there should be more floor space than in the original design if you exclude the reduced number of floors.
Weren't several underground workshops & storages moved to into the building?

So additional space gathered from former spiralling atrium might be minimal.

Weren't several underground workshops & storages moved to into the building?
So additional space gathered from former spiralling atrium might be minimal.

You are quite correct. But it's even worse. I just checked some numbers. There are about 570 m² more space in the new building compared with the old version. But parking area is about 1330 m² larger than before. So there is actually a loss of space for students: 1330 - 570 = 760 m².

Removing the spiral atrium gave only about 180 m² per floor. Reducing the height to 14 floors instead of 16 just canceled that advantadge.

I guess we can say that this project is dead :(

Archimedes foundation decided to withdraw Art Academy construction funding.

Archimedes foundation announced today that they will withdraw their share of Art Academy construction funding. As they had originally allocated 12 million euros for the project,it will leave massive hole in EKA construction budget.
They evaluated current situation of Art Academy project and they found that Academy building won't be finished by august 2015 (time limit,when structural funds could be used for construction).

Foundation was also uncertain about EKA's ability to raise their share of finances for the project.

Source: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/699068/sihtasutus-archimedes-ei-anna-kunstiakadeemia-ehituseks-raha/

^^ :lol: Ah, Estonia, sweet home.

Faking kilplaste kari on see EKA juhtkond ikka.

Miskipärast arvan, et (kammoon sellel tegusuunal on ju pauver ja tulukene sees) "sünnitusvalu" toob kõigest hoolimata ilmale terve ja tugeva ning õnneliku "tita". Samas, hetkel toimuv tõmbab vajalikke tähelepanuniite (vaata kasvõi artiklit Ansip: kunstiakadeemia lageda taeva alla ei jää (http://www.postimees.ee/700278/ansip-kunstiakadeemia-lageda-taeva-alla-ei-jaa)) ja hilisemat kaastööd või ka annab kätte uue arengusuuna. Muidugi võiksin ma ka ise abiks olla: aga kust ma kinni hakkan, mida ma tean ja mida mitte, ... ... ...? Abi, nagu ka enda nina, toppimist ei ole igal pool vajagi.
Jään siiski lihtsalt toetuseavaldajaks ja poolehoidjaks.

Tinnkännile | kas Eesti alafoorumit eesti keelseks ei saa muuta, nii et NordBalt'i peafoorumis toob iga riik ingliskeelselt enda peamised ja huvitavamad projektid ja teemad näitamiseks välja? Siis saab neid siseasju arutleda kontekstist lähtuvalt ilma eputamata, eestikeelselt. See peaks ka rohkem eestlasi ning nende/meie mõtteid kaasama.
*mõte ei seostu üldse Art Plaza ringkäiguga siinsel lehel

^^
N&B enamik otsustas,et kõik foorumid on kakskeelsed ja nagu teada,enamiku otsus ruulib. Võib ju mässata,a praegu ei muudaks see midagi. :P Ega vahet pole ju ja kedagi ei bännita,kui kogu jutt käib eesti keeles. Nii et julgelt Eesti keelt kasutama!


Muuseas,huvitav mõte...kui Ansip arvab,et vajalikult hetkel võib riik ise nö "õla alla panna",siis miks mitte kõige esimest Taanlaste originaalprojekti kasutada? Põhimõtteliselt ju vahel ei ole palju riik maksab, aga samas oleks võimalus midagi originaalset ehitada.

Pärast vastavasisuliste ajalehtede kommentaare lugedes kadus pilt jälle taskusse; tundub, et vahel räägin vaid iseendale ja siis veelkord kordan üle. hahahhaa :P
Minu nii-öelda «puhtisiklik» meelekindluse ja järjepidevuse tunne ning ka arvamus on, et EKA peab (mitte peaks) uuesti-tulema samale südalinna krundile. Ka siis, kui see vajab tunduvalt rohkem aastaaegu või evolutsioonilainetusi, aga see-eest olgu korralik ja kvaliteetne!

[vaata: see "ja nii ongi" ning "võid kindel olla" värgendus (naiss, näis mis tuleb ja mis tulemata otsustab jätta)]






aga parim kommentaar senini:
Kunstiakadeemia kui kaasaegse bürokraatiakunsti perfomance?
http://uudised.err.ee/index.php?06243292&com=1

fakkk, miks ma seda jama siia kirjutasin
tuju läks ning lähen ise kah magama, head ööd

Kuskil kommentaariumis keegi väitis,et sellele kohale pole mingit akadeemiat vaja (sic!). Inimestel on ikka tohutult lühike mälu...akadeemia on seal samas kohas ligemale sajandi seisnud.

Muuseas,keegi ETV'st Ringvaade't vaatas täna? Signe Kivi rääkis seal ehitusloa saamise saagast. Pisut häiris,et saates näidati hoone vana kujundust,mitte uut "karpi karbi otsas".

Muide, projekteerimist pole keegi peatanud, seega saaga jätkub.

Kui Eesti taasiseseisvus, ei ehitatud seda kuskile Siberisse, vaid ikka vanale kohale. Riik on sama vana kui EKA.

Kahju, et kõige sellega selline jama on.

Minu arust tuleks igasugused Nõukogude aegsed asjad maha lammutada ja kenamad asjad asemele ehitada. See EKA peahoone sobiks väga hästi Tallinna linnapilti.

Kahju, et kõige sellega selline jama on.

Minu arust tuleks igasugused Nõukogude aegsed asjad maha lammutada ja kenamad asjad asemele ehitada. See EKA peahoone sobiks väga hästi Tallinna linnapilti.

:banana:

Kahju, et kõige sellega selline jama on.

Minu arust tuleks igasugused Nõukogude aegsed asjad maha lammutada ja kenamad asjad asemele ehitada. See EKA peahoone sobiks väga hästi Tallinna linnapilti.

Täpselt. Tervest Eestist tuleks need koledused maha lammutada :) , sealhulgas siis ka terve Narva :lol:

Täpselt. Tervest Eestist tuleks need koledused maha lammutada :) , sealhulgas siis ka terve Narva :lol:

Narva oli enne teist maailmasõda "Põhjamaade Dresden", ehk siis Narva oli Põhjamaade barokk-stiili parim näide. Seda võiks kuidagi isegi taastada seal.

Narva oli enne teist maailmasõda "Põhjamaade Dresden", ehk siis Narva oli Põhjamaade barokk-stiili parim näide. Seda võiks kuidagi isegi taastada seal.

Terve linn koduta jätta oleks kuidagi karm :D:D Aga raekoja platsi ümbritsevate hoonete ülesehitamine ei tohiks jällegi üle jõu väga käia..

Terve linn koduta jätta oleks kuidagi karm :D:D

Venemaa on suur ja lai. :D

Narva oli enne teist maailmasõda "Põhjamaade Dresden", ehk siis Narva oli Põhjamaade barokk-stiili parim näide. Seda võiks kuidagi isegi taastada seal.

Tegelt on täiesti võimalik taastada, pildid ja plaanid on alles. Ja kuskil lehel oli miniatuurne Narva ka tehtud.

mingid jüri kuuskemaad siin avaldavad arvamust? :D

postimees.ee

jah; Eestimaa puhtaks:
1) iga inimene Tallinna, ülejäänud maa rahvuspargiks, et biotoobid saaksid täismahus taastuda
2) Tallinnale kindel, kuid praegusest tunduvalt laiem ja täpselt ringjas linnapiir
3) kõik linnavälised teed (va maanteed Tallinn-Peterburi ja Tallinn-Riia) ja tänavad ülesse võtta ja pinnas siluda, käivitada Rail Baltica ja Peterburi kiirrongliin
4) ainukeseks erandsatelliidiks jääb tööstuslik Paldiski koos Pakri energia-saarega, Maardu asub uue linna piirides
5) kõik väärtust kandvad maahooned vabaõhumuuseumisse
6) põllu- ja karjamaa sektoritena 75 km raadiuses ümber Tallinna, mullad toodud praegustelt haritavatelt maadelt
7) paneelmajad Muuga sadama või rannajoonte täiteks
8) kasutud materjalid ja tarbeesemed ning klaas (või misiganes metallidest kuni...) ümbertöötlusesse, uue linna ehituse huvides; know-how, innovatsioon ja muu blaa-blaa
9) linnavälisesse loodusesse pääs vaid erilubadega sh õppe-eesmärkidel
10) Narva, Pärnu, teiste asulate ja linnade, Tartu väärtarhitektuur taastada ja rekonstrueerida identselt täismahus üksteisega seotult ja täppisteadmisega läbiplaneeritult Merimetsas, Pelgurannas, Pelgulinnas, Sitsis, Koplis ja Paljassaares (va Kalamajas)
11) Põhja-Tallinna uued linnaosad ja -jaod saavad vastavad nimed: Tartu, Narva, Kuressaare jne.
12) Tartu Ülikooli peahoone tuleb Toompea linnuse vastu, Falgi teega ühendava silla vastu, teisele poole uut tehislikku jõesängi, kuhu on juhitud mõned Põhja-Eesti jõed (va Pirita jõgi)
13) uus jõgi suubub Vanasadamasse, Schnelli tiik säilib eraldiseisvana
14) linnasisene eraomand toimib
14) Tallinn võtab uue globaalselt... nime
jne metroo (!) jne jne jne

Eesti Arhitektide Liit / Estonian Architects Union has sent a public letter to Estonian prime minister,voicing their concerns over Art Academy issues and lack of government support.

Eesti Arhitektide Liit jälgib kasvava murega Eesti Kunstiakadeemia (EKA) uue hoone kavandamisega seonduvaid sündmusi. On selge, et Eesti riik vajab tugevat ja korralikult rahastatud kunstikõrgkooli, mis on rahvuskultuuri arengu ja säilimise üks tugisammastest. Sellist kõrgkooli ei saa jagada osadeks ega hajutada teistesse kõrgkoolidesse, sest seeläbi kaoks aastakümnetega tekkinud kunstivaldkondade koostoime.

Peame igati põhjendatuks ja arusaadavaks kunstiakadeemia soovi jätkata tegutsemist uues hoones oma ajaloolisel krundil Tallinna kesklinnas, mitte küüditatuna linna äärealale. Esialgsed analüüsid näitavad, et selline ärakolimine ei annaks erilist majanduslikku võitu, vaid võib kokkuvõttes hoopis kulusid suurendada.

Eesti Arhitektide Liidule jääb arusaamatuks sihtasutuse Archimedes meie arvates kiirustades tehtud otsus loobuda EKA uue hoone ehituse rahastamisest, samuti haridus- ja teadusministeeriumi ning kultuuriministeeriumi vaikimine EKA tuleviku küsimustes.

Me ei saa pidada tõsiseltvõetavaks seisukohta, et EKA peaks avalik-õigusliku institutsioonina lahendama oma ruumiprobleemid ise. Aastaid on EKA võrreldes teiste Eesti kõrgkoolidega olnud riikliku rahastamise poolest selgelt vaeslapse osas. Seetõttu on kohatu karistada EKAt liigse initsiatiivi ilmutamise eest oma maja nimel võitlemisel.

Riigil lasub kohustus tagada Eesti kultuuri, sealhulgas kunstivaldkonna säilimine ja areng, mis on üks Eesti riigi olemasolu põhialustest. Seetõttu ei saa me rahulduda umbmääraste avaldustega, et kunstiharidus Eestis peab jätkuma, sest see võib tähendada muu hulgas ka EKA erialade jagamist teiste kõrgkoolide vahel. Selle asemel ootame haridus- ja teadus- ning kultuuriministrilt konkreetseid seisukohti ja abi EKA probleemi lahendamiseks.

Eesti Arhitektide Liidu nimel,
Peeter Pere
Esimees

Two opinions supporting Art Academy.

By architect Raivo Kotov (KOKO Arhitektid): http://www.epl.ee/news/arvamus/raivo-kotov-eka-kurss-uue-maja-poole.d?id=63778972
Linnaehituslikult ja EKA vajadusi silmas pidades on praegune lahendus parim: tihedasse kesklinna luuakse avalik linnaväljak, tagatakse õppimisvõimalused rohkem kui tuhandele üliõpilasele ja EKA tegutseb edasi oma ajaloolises asukohas.

And by artist Kristina Norman: http://www.epl.ee/news/online/kristina-norman-eka-peab-alles-jaama-ning-peahoone-kerkima-kesklinna.d?id=63782294
...Oht, et maja ehitatakse kuskile mujale, on tema hinnangul olemas ning võib kahtlustada kellegi ärihuvide mängus olekut ning soovi krunt endale saada...

...„EKA hoone peaks tulema kesklinna, sest kui kool mujale kolib, siis on oht, et valdkond pole enam nii nähtaval kohal ja kunstiharidus marginaliseerub veelgi,” jätkas ta..

Few photos of new Art Academy's design model.

Photos by Delfi.ee
http://y.delfi.ee/norm/243437/13387583_6Swa2M.jpeg

http://y.delfi.ee/norm/243437/13387707_QbfqE8.jpeg

http://y.delfi.ee/norm/243437/13387689_urgGvP.jpeg

http://y.delfi.ee/norm/243437/13387699_qBAA8M.jpeg

Full gallery (incl. few renders and photos of old model): http://www.delfi.ee/news/paevauudised/eesti/vordle-kunstiakadeemia-uue-maja-esialgne-ja-muudetud-makett.d?id=63781788#!/13387595/pilt.delfi.ee

Mis värk selle katusega on?

Mis värk selle katusega on?
Mingis variandis pidi see olema kõigile avatud linnaruum,kus igaüks oleks saanud linnale avanevat vaadet nautida,aga ma ei tea kas see idee jäi kasutusse. Võimalik,et isegi see uus mudel pole kõige täpsem...

Uus mudel on küllalt täpne. Katuseterrassiks on see "auk" viimasel korrusel pindalaga ~325 m². Kui avaliku kohaga on tegu, sõltub EKA-st endast. Arhitektide nägemuses on see auk pealt enamjaolt katmata, kuid klaasseintega piiratud nagu mudelil näha. EKA juhtkonna nägemuses pole sel seinu ümber. Praegu käib selles osas konsensuse leidmine.

This is all so wrong.

I'm not too sure about this, because I do not know much about the history of the Academy of Arts building, but is this the old building on the picture?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rKVZsnLt-iQ/TsJqE5AUWDI/AAAAAAAAAXY/vKI543zOtyU/s1600/vaade%2B66.jpg

Source: http://jaakjuske.blogspot.com/view/classic

^^
Yes. Tramline is the revealing factor - trams used to stop right at the current Kaubamaja site (instead of Kaubamaja was a street and few low 2-3-storey houses)

Here's the same building from another angle,in 1920s (you can see how extensively it was already rebuilt by that time):
http://ekamaja.artun.ee/wp-content/themes/maja/img/kronoloogia/eka_1922.jpg

^^
Yes. Tramline is the revealing factor - trams used to stop right at the current Kaubamaja site (instead of Kaubamaja was a street and few low 2-3-storey houses)

Here's the same building from another angle,in 1920s (you can see how extensively it was already rebuilt by that time):


Tin, actually the picture you posted don't show too much difference, compared to the picture I posted, since I think on your pic its a view of the "back side" of the building. The "back side" today would be facing the City Plaza building.

Anyway, real nice building it was. I might try to do a 3d model out of this in the future using the pictures what are available.

^^
I was referring to reconstruction works which had already been done by 1920s. Anyway,check the photo timeline on EKA's site: http://ekamaja.artun.ee/?page_id=7

Ah yes, I had not seen any of the earlier photos, sorry about that. Thanks for the link.

Väidetavalt on EKA ja kõrval asuva elumaja omaniku tüli põhjuseks hoopis mitte "päikesevalguse märgatav kadu",vaid hoopis 4st parkimiskohast ilma jäämine.
...Krass ei varjagi, et insolatsiooniküsimuse ehk päikesevalguse vähenemine on tegelikult teisejärgulise tähtsusega ja see on vaid hoob, millega EKAt survestada....
Põhimõtteliselt tahtsid elumaja omanikud EKA majasse parkimiskohti,mida neile ei antud,kuna kohtade arv oli piiratud. Peale hoone ümber projekteerimist aga parklakohtade arv kasvas ja EKA pakkus lepitusena neid ka vastaspoolele - kes nüüd keeldus neist :doh: Totaalsed Nimby'd!

Artikkel: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/712204/eesti-kunstiakadeemiale-said-saatuslikuks-neli-parkimiskohta/

Mingi ... pärast, kes elab kesklinnas ja viriseb moodsate kergelt kõrgemate ehitiste pärast, jäi selline asi katki. Üpris nõme minu arust.

That's really not why this project has been a bucket of fail. And good for it, I hope it dies.

^^ Although I agree that a lot of mistakes have been made, this project dying would be the worst case scenario for everybody, IMO.

That old building was of nice, very Estonian architecture...Could you tell me why was it torn down? And are there any plans for reconstruction?

That old building was of nice, very Estonian architecture...Could you tell me why was it torn down? And are there any plans for reconstruction?
Which old building you're thinking about? The very first Art Academy building? It partially survived within newer academy building (built in 1960s or smth like that) and was never totally demolished,just extensively rebuilt.
Entire academy building was torn down,as it didn't meet requirements for modern study and academy rooms + academy desperately needed additional space. Hopefully they will get this new midrise one day and don't have to worry about crappy working/studying conditions any more.

And no,obviously not ;)