Bybanen - Bergen Light Rail
- Bergen, Norway

Bybanen is by far the biggest project going on in Bergen at the moment, and it's also one of the biggest projects in the country.

Bybanen is a light rail system under construction in Bergen, Norway. The first stage of the project is a 9.8-kilometre (6.1 mi) stretch between the city centre and Nesttun, estimated to be finished summer 2010 (Opening day is June 22, 2010). The construction works will continue from Nesttun to the shopping centre Lagunen Storsenter in August 2010. Further plans for the project involve three lines, stretching to Flesland (Bergen airport), Åsane and Storavatnet.

The picture below shows where bybanen will go after construction phase one (b1) and two (b2).
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7717/abybanen.jpg

All 12 Bybanen variotrams will have wireless internet access available for all travellers and all stations will be announced visually and orally.
They are being made in Germany as we speak, and they will look something like this.
http://www.nrk.no/contentfile/file/1.2437770!img2437730.jpg

Bybanen will be funded by a toll-ring for cars, surrounding all of Bergen, and it's already more than halfway complete. They will start testdriving next month already, and many of the stations are already done. Below are some renders.

Byparken - the most central station
http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/166787_he5c040043d2ceee743ae_672x.jpeg

http://media4.origo.no/-/cache/image/166789_h1755aa44180000543f68_672x.jpeg

Looking towards Danmarksplass
http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/166792_h461a09fd81e3dde092ad_672x.jpeg

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/166796_h723e56c4520e97a715dd_672x.jpeg

Sletten senter - a shopping mall in the city-borough of Årstad
http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/166804_hf2b2ea7d247598c30273_672x.jpeg

Nesttun - this is where construction phase one ends and two begins.
http://media2.origo.no/-/cache/image/166815_h04b35d57daac54a66f6a_672x.jpeg

www.bybanen.no is updated weekly with construction pictures of the project. Go there for the latest information!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Light_Rail

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bybanen_i_Bergen

:)

Been some years since I was in Bergen now. But I hope to take a trip next year, after 22 june off cource :D

Been some years since I was in Bergen now. But I hope to take a trip next year, after 22 june off cource :D

yeah, thatd be something for a N&B meet-up :)

I know i should never say this since i am a Trønder, but Trondheim should look to Bergen when it comes to this project! ;)

I know i should never say this since i am a Trønder, but Trondheim should look to Bergen when it comes to this project! ;)

dont you already have a tram, though?

and isnt stavanger getting a bybane, too?

seems like there are many bybaner in the works at the moment!

dont you already have a tram, though?

Yes, but Trondheim isn't thinking right. The network might see its last years just now. They just managed to save it for 1 or 2 more years i think.

So while Bergen is building a brand new network Trondheim is tearing down their and replacing it by more buses.

there was an article about bybanen in BA today.


På sporet
Første strekk av Bybanen er snart ferdig.
http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/708x708r/02889/1257025210000_Bybanen1500_2889420708x708r.jpg
Holdeplassen mellom Jernbanestasjonen og Bergen storsenter er nesten ferdig. Her fra tirsdag 20. oktober.

– Vi skal være nesten helt ferdig mellom sentrum og Wergeland til jul. Da er det bare litt flikking og teknisk utstyr til holdeplassene som gjenstår, forteller informasjonsansvarlig i Bybanen, Rune Jenssen, fornøyd til BA.

– Etter det kan vi begynne å teste bybanevognene som kommer i desember.

100 METER: Jenssen forsikrer om at byggingen er så å si helt i rute.

– Nå pågår skinneleggingen for fullt i Agnes Mowinckels gate. Det mangler knapt 100 meter med spor mellom Stavrhus gate og Wergeland, opplyser han.

– Etter Wergeland gjenstår det en del sporlegging på Paradis, samt å legge skinner i Tveiteråstunnelen og Fageråstunnelen.

HOLDEPLASSER: Flere og flere holdeplasser dukker også opp nå, og de begynner å nærme seg sin endelige form.

– Holdeplassen på Florida var først ferdig. Nygård, Kronstad, Brann stadion, Nonneseter og Bystasjonen er også så godt som ferdige.

– Fundamentet til holdeplassen ved Byparken er også på plass, forteller Jenssen.

GODKJENNES: I februar skal Bybanen være ferdig helt til Nesttun, og Jernbaneverket kommer på banen for å godkjenne anlegget.

– Da skal vi teste spor, ledninger og lysanlegg for å være sikker på at alt fungerer når Bybanen skal begynne å kjøre til sommeren, sier Rune Jenssen.


here is the link to the article http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article4678583.ece

many pics of bybanen while it was being constructed can be found here http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/bybanen/article3742353.ece

They are being made in Germany as we speak, and they will look something like this.
http://www.nrk.no/contentfile/file/1.2437770!img2437730.jpg

Indeed, looks completely identical with trams in Germany. Stops look 100% like in Germany too.

Indeed, looks completely identical with trams in Germany. Stops look 100% like in Germany too.

yeah, thats quite possibly because its a german Variotram. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variotram)

you find many trams with that design in cities all around the world ;)

ugh.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/bybanen/article4685313.ece

more bad news that will contribute to causing opposition against bybanen by bergens inhabbitantss!

^^ The power companies are responsible for their power lines. It's the same when you build new roads or something else. They make so much money each year anyway so i don't care and they should pay up. They have allways been bloodsucking the population because of poor competition.

324 vil jobbe på bybanen (http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article4688954.ece)

Will bybanen reach Flesland in 2015?

http://www.fanaposten.no/incoming/article927367.ece

positive article about how bybanen apparently has saved a street in Bergen

Inndalsveien – berget av Bybanen (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/Inndalsveien-%26ndash%3B-berget-av-Bybanen-950387.html#)

and finally, some good pics of a tram that is finished, or atleast close to being finished:

http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/510x510r/02908/1258025789000_Banenferdig1500_2908913510x510r.jpg

http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/510x510r/02908/1258026559000_Inni1500_2908929510x510r.jpg
the tram/wagon/cart/whatever is 32 metres long and can fit 220 passangers.

http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/510x510r/02908/1258026598000_Bybanenseter_2908930510x510r.jpg
close-up of two seats.

i believe that these seats are without the.. uuh, setetrekk, though.. as in this next pic, the seats are clearly red:

http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/510x510r/02908/1258021667000_Bybanenferdiginne_2908805510x510r.jpg

also, as you can see in pic 3, the black seats in the background have these little stickers/notes attached to them.. which makes me draw the conclusion that theyre still waiting to get the.. red fabric.. fastened.. to them? i need to work on my english :lol:

lets just hope the seats will be red and not black!

anyways, the bybanen is coming along great and i cant wait to see it crusin around the city!

here is the link to the photogallery, with more pictures:

http://www.ba.no/bilder_video/bilder/article4700498.ece

link to the article: http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article4700364.ece

Love how they are "ruster opp" Inndalsveien. Looks so cool with the different color, stone/skifer on the street. And the door you see inn the article facing the street also give a more urban and pleasant look:cheers:

I wonder how long that door will last the wrath of young bergenser in need of smashing public property....

Strangely they don't tend to smash doors much though,..

I wonder how long that door will last the wrath of young bergenser in need of smashing public property....

yep. same with all the bybane-stops.. the walls consist of glass.

bybanen has already been vandalized several times.. last week someone even broke into the workshop and destroyed stuff they found there :ohno:

oh, and its really hard to find a bybanen-stolpe that doesnt already have a tag on it.

itll be really interesting to see how this will go.. lets just hope for the best!

The trams look very good. I have to say that I'm a little envious that Bergen has managed to get this "off the ground". Here in Trondheim we just have Gråkallbanen, and there seems little interest in investing in a larger tram system.

video that properly shows what the trams look like (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Bli-med-om-bord-965020.html)


fakta/bybanevognene

* Lengde: 32,2 meter
* Bredde: 2,65 meter
* Høyde: 3,5 meter
* Vekt: 40 tonn
* Antall sitteplasser: 84
* Antall ståplasser: 128.
* Max hastighet: 70 km/t
* Snitthastighet senrum – Nesttun: 27 km/t
* Snitthastighet Nesttun – Lagunen: 33 km/t

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00610/bybanen_jpg_610647e.jpg

what the heck is up with the picture on the ceiling? :lol:

is it really going to be that way? well, thats cool i guess!

^^
* Snitthastighet sentrum – Nesttun: 27 km/t
* Snitthastighet Nesttun – Lagunen: 33 km/t

It's good to see that the average speed goes up. Much of the local critisism is because of the speed. When It's finished to Flesland the average speed for the whole line will not be that bad compared to other systems around the world. From Lagunen to Flesland it's pretty much straight forward with few stops.
As i understand they have allready started planning for a second line to Åsane. The distance from Åsane terminal to city-center is about the same as from city-center to Nesttun. The line will probably have half the number of stops compared to the line to Nesttun, if you compare with the busses that drive the distance today, and should have a much higher average speed.
The Sandviken area has very little space for new infrastructure.
In my opinion they should build a tunnel under Sandviken with 2-3 underground stops(That way you allso don't have to worry about crossing traffic + reach people living higher up in the mountainside in sandviken) before coming out close to Sandviken hospital or NHH and continuing out to Åsane terminal or Nyborg.
In my fantasy i see these stops for a possible future line Bergen-Åsane:
Nyborg-Åsane terminal-Tertnes-Eidsvåg-NHH-Sandviken hospital- 2/3 underground stops Sandviken-Bryggen. That should give a average speed of around 40km/h i hope:)

PS. does anybody know the average speed of the Ekebergline? As i understand this is the closest to a "bybane" in Norway today.

Funny to read the stupid critisism about the speed, they allways have to whine about something. Oslo has 17 km/t average speed, bybanen 27 km/t, thats seems pretty fast. Would be intersting to compare with other modern light rail systems in France and Deutchland. Im pretty bybanen is among the fastest compered to many of them since only a small piece of bybanen is in the crowded city, mostly with its a seperate track from cartraffic.

Remove the car traffic from bryggen with trams instead and a tunnel under Sandviken would really be the optimal thing indeed. Have they made any alternatives for a pathway through Sandviken?

It's good to see that the average speed goes up. Much of the local critisism is because of the speed. When It's finished to Flesland the average speed for the whole line will not be that bad compared to other systems around the world. From Lagunen to Flesland it's pretty much straight forward with few stops.
As i understand they have allready started planning for a second line to Åsane. The distance from Åsane terminal to city-center is about the same as from city-center to Nesttun. The line will probably have half the number of stops compared to the line to Nesttun, if you compare with the busses that drive the distance today, and should have a much higher average speed.
I'm not very familiar with Bergen, so you will have to excuse a stupid question, but Lagunen is where the line to Nesttun will be lengthened to and Åsane is in a different direction from the city centre, right?

PS. does anybody know the average speed of the Ekebergline? As i understand this is the closest to a "bybane" in Norway today.Well, Gråkallbanen also runs most of the way on separate tracks;

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Tram_Trondheim/Route-14_95_Breidalblikk.jpg

...but as you say Ekebergbanen is probably the best fit.

Remove the car traffic from bryggen with trams instead and a tunnel under Sandviken would really be the optimal thing indeed. Have they made any alternatives for a pathway through Sandviken?

Yes it would be great with a carfree Bryggen as well. They are in the prosess of planning and analysis of a trase through Sandviken. The important thing in my opinion is that they don't follow the main road through Sandviken. It's just to bendy, tight and crowded with cars. it will allso be a lot of problems during construction with all the traffic. It would be a lot easier and better to just build a tunnel from Dreggsallmenningen(outside the SAS-hotel) or something like that.

I'm not very familiar with Bergen, so you will have to excuse a stupid question, but Lagunen is where the line to Nesttun will be lengthened to and Åsane is in a different direction from the city centre, right?


Yes, Lagunen and Flesland is in the south of Bergen city-center and Åsane and Sandviken is to the north of sentrum.

Yes it would be great with a carfree Bryggen as well. They are in the prosess of planning and analysis of a trase through Sandviken. The important thing in my opinion is that they don't follow the main road through Sandviken. It's just to bendy, tight and crowded with cars. it will allso be a lot of problems during construction with all the traffic. It would be a lot easier and better to just build a tunnel from Dreggsallmenningen(outside the SAS-hotel) or something like that.

and maybe they could put the tunnel that runs under rothhaugen skole to use :)

it´s so exciting and fun to plan where the åsane line could go.. i will have to sit down with a map one day and do some real planning!

most people who complain about the speed dont get the concept of GJENNOMSNITTShastighet.. its a shame, really.

i cant wait till this thing is up and running! :banana:

Are more lines planned, or does the geography around Bergen limit it to two?

Are more lines planned, or does the geography around Bergen limit it to two?

with the ability to make tunnels, why would there be any geographical limits?

in the end, bybanen will hopefully connect all the city boroughs to the city centre.

id like to see future lines going to:

- åsane terminal (åsane)
- vestkanten senter (loddefjord)
- oasen senter (fyllingsdalen) via laksevåg.
- sartor senter (sotra, yes even sotra)

we are already getting a line that will cover sletten senter, nesttun and lagunen.. and flesland!

the only thing thats stopping all this from happening is stupid politicians :)

This (http://www.nvfnorden.org/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=2258) document shows future potensial lines (page 13 and 14).

The important thing in my opinion is that they don't follow the main road through Sandviken
Are there any other alternatives above ground? All other streets in Sandviken seems to narrow to allow two tramstracks.

with the ability to make tunnels, why would there be any geographical limits?That is true, but my thought was that the geography around Bergen had shaped where people live, and Bybanen will again be shaped by that. Although, as I said, I'm not that familiar with Bergen.

This (http://www.nvfnorden.org/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=2258) document shows future potensial lines (page 13 and 14).


Are there any other alternatives above ground? All other streets in Sandviken seems to narrow to allow two tramstracks.

Alternative B page 13 looks good.

If there are any other alternatives above ground? Maybe the last straight stretch of Amalie Skrams vei(Just above the main road). Other than that, not much.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/bybanen/article4705296.ece

Nå stopper Bybanen opp

Kan bli full byggestopp i ti år om ikke staten spytter i mer penger.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/bybanen/article4705296.ece

The reason for this is that the local politicians don't want to increase roadtolls yet. Instead they just decided to loan the money for the next building steps and use many more years to even pay interest wich make the whole process more expensive.
One of the reasons for this is that in the coming years there will probably be a "second tollring" around Bergen municipal with the new projects to Os, Sotra and Nordhordland.
From what i understand the roadtolls around Oslo is higher but that could easly change with these new projects. What we still miss is a good plan for the whole Bergen-area.

I'm sure they will find some kind of solution to this in the next years to increase the building prosess.

I think this article is not very accurate to explain anything. Just look at the comments below the article. There are so many people in this city that don't understand shit about the bybaneproject and the reasons for it:bash:
But one thing is fore sure, the Norwegian state uses just to little resourses on infrastructure in this country while the buraucrasy increases each year.

But it could be that we don't need to build new bybanetracks with roadtolls all the way to Åsane, Fyllingen etc.

I have to say i realy like NSB's plans for a new north-south local rail from Åsane to Flesland. We just have to get jernbaneverket and all the local politicians in on it, and with moving the freight terminal to Flesland this could open up all new possibilities for local train,Dokken and Nygårdstangen . This local train could correspond with bybanen on places like Bergen station, Kronstad, Kokstad, NHH, Fyllingen etc.

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Til-Flesland-paa-13-minutt-914415.html

Roadtolls in Oslo is 25 for normal car, and extra 12,50 for entering from the west. Oslotrikken has 2 lines running in designated track, both are under major upgrade to reach 25 km/h average speed (Current 20km/h.).

Compared to state of the art system:

Copenhagen: 35 km/h average speed.

But Copenhagen doesn't have trams!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Tram_Copenhagen_Denmark_1970.jpg/640px-Tram_Copenhagen_Denmark_1970.jpg

Roadtolls in Oslo is 25 for normal car, and extra 12,50 for entering from the west. Oslotrikken has 2 lines running in designated track, both are under major upgrade to reach 25 km/h average speed (Current 20km/h.).


Whats the second line that are getting upgraded and are they allso extending the lines? There was allso talk of a bybaneline to Fornebu, are there any progress with that project? From what i've heard the trams in Oslo have more traffic than T-banen.

I guess if this project in Bergen proofs to be a success it could open up for something similar in other cities like Stavanger and Trondheim maybe. I know Stavanger is allready in the planning process.

Some new pictures today as well (http://origo.no/-/image_pile/show/38467_bilder)

Trondheim is not exactly in the planing process, but a report will be presented to the politicians next spring concerning a "bybane" and the continued operation of Gråkallbanen in that context. Fingers crossed!

http://www.trondheim.kommune.no/content.ap?thisId=1117650829

^^ will be interesting.

meanwhile, in Stavanger
Frp vil ikke ha bybane
Stavanger Fremskrittsparti har bestemt seg: Bybane i Stavanger er en dårlig og dyr idé.

– Vi går imot byggingen av en bybane i Stavanger. Det er for dyrt, og det er unødvendig, sier gruppeleder Trond Birkedal i Stavanger Frp.

Hittil har det vært tverrpolitisk enighet i Stavanger om å gå for bybanen. Alle partier har støttet saken.

– Vi legger fram vårt budsjettforslag i morgen, og da har vi kuttet ut hele bybanen, sier Birkedal.

More:
http://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/stavanger/1113074/Frp_vil_ikke_ha_bybane.html

There was allso talk of a bybaneline to Fornebu, are there any progress with that project? From what i've heard the trams in Oslo have more traffic than T-banen.

I think this project is pretty much in the grey yet. Unfortuneatly:ohno: Companies at Fornebu want T-bane, Oslo and Akershus want tram, and Oslo councilman of transport, Jøran Kallmyr (Frp, if you hadn't guessed) wants "super-busses". The project drags and drags, and now even 2017 seems to be in the blue.

Will that small museum tram line be connected the Bybanen network? That way you could do longer museum tram rides in Bergen like in Trondheim, and presumably also Oslo. Both are normal gauge, but I don't know if there are other technical challenges that will prevent it. It would be really cool though.

Whats the second line that are getting upgraded and are they allso extending the lines? There was allso talk of a bybaneline to Fornebu, are there any progress with that project? From what i've heard the trams in Oslo have more traffic than T-banen.
Some new pictures today as well (http://origo.no/-/image_pile/show/38467_bilder)

Sorry for hijacking the Bergenstread here with this....

One line is under upgrade at the moment, Lilleakerbanen is getting extended as we speak from Jar with a shared row with the new upgraded T-bane line, the tram will terminate at Bekkestua that is a major bus-hub for Bærum instead of previous ending point at Jar.

Ekebergbanen is also going under upgrade, but no extension - altough Ruter wants to extend it from Ljabru to Hauketo (Local Train and bus station.)

In a few years time we will see new city tramlines in Fredriksgate (connects the 2 western mainlines.) Fjordtramline and Fornebu bybane, new route for Briskebyline. There is discussion for a tramline along Ring2, aswell as extending the Sinsenline to Tonsenhagen and building a new tramline to Kværnerbyen.

Needless to say, Kallmyr only wants buses - but he can't do much on his own fortunatly :) It's been 10 years since the last large extension project with tram to Rikshospitalet. But there has been large upgrades to almost every stop, in short time all plattforms will be updated, aswell as recent large projects for faster tram like Carl Berner and Jernbanetorget projects. Only a few years ago the city was considering closing parts of Kjelsåsline and Ekebergline, but now Trikken has the largest increase in trafic (After 10 minutes routes.), and i hope this can be a good example of how to do PT in smaller cities aswell.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article4713005.ece

Krisemøte om Bybanen

Samferdselsminister Magnhild Meltveit Kleppa ser ingen løsning på videreførelsen av Bybanen.

^^
I'm sure they will find a solution.

Bergen municipal want the state to contribute more and the state(as allways) want more roadtolls. Maybe they will meet in the middle but that will only create more local resistance to a good project.

It irritates me that the state don't want to contribute more to infrastructure ,especially public transport, in our biggest cities because here you have huge possibilities for roadtolls.

^^
I'm sure they will find a solution.

Bergen municipal want the state to contribute more and the state(as allways) want more roadtolls. Maybe they will meet in the middle but that will only create more local resistance to a good project.

It irritates me that the state don't want to contribute more to infrastructure ,especially public transport, in our biggest cities because here you have huge possibilities for roadtolls.

the skjevfordeling between east and west is so obvious :ohno:

^^yes, for we don't have any tollbooths, and the tram and metro of Oslo is financed by the state:nuts:

^^yes, for we don't have any tollbooths, and the tram and metro of Oslo is financed by the state:nuts:

:nuts:

im not sure if i even want to start this discussion. you know just as well as i that the way the statsbudget is being foredelt, is completely outrageous.

if not, i suggest you do some research.

I suggest you leave that issue for another discussion. We've already had a few rounds on it...

I think we can all agree that the state:bash: has allmost not helped finance new public transport in western Norway since "bergensbanen" was finished 100 years ago.

I agree, the state should pay for these type of projects. They are more important than new roads....

Skinnegangen komplett

Byråd Lisbeth Iversen la ned siste skinne på bybanetraseen mellom sentrum og Nesttun.

Det skjedde ved Shell-stasjonen på Sletten i ettermiddag.

Dermed er arbeidet med å legge skinner på første byggetrinn av Bybanen ferdig.

Den første bybanevognen kommer til Bergen i desember. Prøveturer med passasjerer skjer trolig i mars eller april.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article4725680.ece


also, this is an early illustration of what the park in Vestre Strømkaien (right across the street from bystasjonen) will look like:

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1179788_h0d292cff832f6039c2ff_v1259132481_672x.jpeg

It will likely be called Pastaparken.. due to the fact that the famous italian restaurant called Pasta Sentralen was located in this area, and had to be torn down because of bybanen. the restaurant has now been moved to a more central district, somewhere between Bergens Tidende and Fotballpuben.

It will definitely be much better than the concrete jungle this area used to be.

Bybanen trenger større vogner
Solfrid Torvund Langeland, Geir Kvile
04.12.2009 kl 10:29

Trafikkgrunnlaget på strekningen er større enn først antatt.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/bybanen/article4741868.ece

^^Looks like we may need some bigger trams. 42 meters is looong:)
I really hope this turns out to be a success so that we can get a faster building process allso to the other parts of the city.

This is exactly what happened in Dublin. In contrast to buses, trams are very popular.
Shortly after opening, the "Luas" Red line, overcrowding was experienced and extra 10m modules were ordered and inserted in the 30m long trams. Now they are beginning to talk about yet another extension to 50m! Hope the Bergen trams are easily extended
Here is an extended Luas tram at Connelly main line station. It still has it´s original "30m number" 3018.

http://i48.************/2ywfl2p.jpg

Good luck with the new line. Wish someone would do something similar in Copenhagen. Looking forward to lots of photos from Bergen.

The trams will be 32,180 meters (105.6 ft) long and will be expandable with another two modules to a length of 44 meters (140 ft), if higher capacity would be necessary in the future. All stations are dimensioned for extended trams.

@Never Give Up, there are loads of pics to be found on www.bybanen.no

@Never Give Up, there are loads of pics to be found on www.bybanen.noI gather from the photo blog that some stretches will be underground. Will there be any underground stations, like in Gothenborg?

http://urbanrail.net/eu/got/goteborg.htm

As this Wikipedia page shows, nope!:) And not in the future steps either.

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bybanen_i_Bergen#Linjekart


(and how the stations would look if they were underground: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furusetbanen#Linjekart:D)

Thats not decided. The further route against Åsane might, for all we know, be partly underground.

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/bybanen/Dette-kan-bli-fremtidens-bybane-978847.html

Dette kan bli fremtidens bybane

Ekspressruter med få stopp eller somletrikk med mange stopp og stort passasjergrunnlag? Det er spørsmålet når kommunen planlegger Bybanen 30 år frem i tid.

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/archive/00615/byane_jpg_615082a.jpg

- Det er tettheten mellom stoppene som avgjør hvor raskt Bybanen går. Men vi er nødt til å ha kunder hvis den skal forsvare investeringen. Det hjelper ikke at den går raskt hvis den kjører forbi alle kundene, sier plansjef i Bergen kommune, Mette Svanes.

Til uken legger planavdelingen i Bergen kommune frem en rapport som viser hvilke hovedtraseer Bergen bør satse på når Bybanen skal bygges ut frem mot 2040.

Som BT skrev forrige helg, har planleggerne valgt å satse på følgende traseer, i denne rekkefølgen:

* 1. Rådal-Flesland (forlengelse av linjen som er under utbygging)

* 2. Sentrum-NHH-Åsane

* 3. Sentrum-Haukeland-Mindemyren-Oasen

Linje 3 er tenkt forlenget til Loddefjord og Storavatnet terminal. Planleggerne mener derimot at det ikke er nok passasjergrunnlag til å bygge videre mot Askøy og Sotra. Også baner til Os, Lindås og Arna er forkastet i denne omgang. Laksevåg vil også bli liggende i «bybaneskyggen», dersom planavdelingens anbefalinger blir fulgt av politikerne.

- Det er først og fremst mulige passasjertall som er grunnlaget for de anbefalte hovedtraseene. For enkelte områder mener utrederne at det er bedre å satse på bussforbindelser inn mot sentrum, sier Svanes.

Ekspress eller «somletrikk»
Neste skritt er å utarbeide detaljerte planer over hvor Bybanens trasé skal gå gjennom de aktuelle bydelene og hvor stasjonene skal ligge. Disse planene skal legges frem til våren.

Utrederne ser på en rekke mulige traseer, men arbeider etter to hovedprinsipper:

* En rask «ekspressrute» med få stopp og forholdsvis rette strekninger. (Rød strek på kartet)

- En slik trasé gir kort reisetid og lavere byggekostnader, men fanger opp forholdsvis få boliger og arbeidsplasser på sin vei. Det gir et lavere passasjergrunnlag, og dårligere driftsgrunnlag, forklarer Svanes.

* En mer snirklete trasé med flere stopp og flere svinger (grønn strek).

- Det gir oss et maksimalt passasjergrunnlag, men senker farten på banen. Byggekostnadene er høyere, men driftsinntektene er også større, sier Svanes.

Hun understreker at de endelige anbefalingene neppe blir nøyaktig som noen av de traseene som er vist på kartet hittil. Trolig blir anbefalingen en blanding av ekspress- og «somleprinsippet».

Blir ikke et flytog
Første strekning som skal få utarbeidet en detaljert trasé, er Rådal-Flesland. Når Bybanen står ferdig til Lagunen i 2013, er håpet å bygge videre mot Flesland med en gang.

Også der har planleggerne regnet på to ulike alternativer, med fem minutters forskjell i reisetid. En linje langs Flyplassvegen vil være enklest å bygge og ta kortest tid, med bare tre stopp mellom Lagunen og Flesland. Problemet er at det er lite bebyggelse og få store arbeidsplasser langs denne linjen, med unntak av Telenor-bygget i Birkelandskrysset.

Derfor var kommunaldirektør Edel Eikeseth ganske klar på at hun vil anbefale en linje lenger nord, når hun presenterte planene på en konferanse forrige helg.

- Flypassasjerer fra sentrum til Flesland er ikke de viktigste i denne sammenheng. Det er langt viktigere å få inkludert de mange arbeidsplassene på Sandsli og Kokstad, sa Eikeseth.

Blant de foreslåtte stoppene på vei til Flesland er Feråsen ved StatoilHydros hovedkontor i Bergen. Oljegiganten planlegger å utvide til 3300 arbeidsplasser. Industri- og kontorområdene på Sandsli og Kokstad vil også få egne bybanestopp.

- Å legge banen lenger nord vil også minske presset på å bygge ut sør for Flyplassvegen, som vi hittil har holdt av til landbruk og grøntområder, sa Eikeseth.

Må ha plass til depot
Et annet forhold som kan være med å bestemme takten i utbyggingen, er behovet for depot og verksted for bybanevognene.

På linjen til Nesttun er det bygget depot på Kronstad. Men dette vil bli for lite når man utvider linjenettet og kjøper inn flere og større vogner. De eneste stedene langs linjen der det finnes tomter store nok til et nytt depot langs linjen, er på Flesland og i Åsane. Dermed kan det bli nødvendig å bygge dit så raskt som mulig.

That line to Loddefjord is a big joke:ohno: It will take them way to long to get to the city center. It will be like everyday sightseeing for them. It's a disaster waiting to happen:bash: The line to Loddefjord should go to Laksevåg and merge with the line to Fyllingen before the puddefjordbridge. Well it's many years ahead so i hope they change their mind.

The line to Åsane should probably follow the green line after Eidsvågtunnelen. Most of the population lives west of the main road. And in a tunnel under Sandviken.

This i a great project! Love it. Go Bergen!

How about some underground stations for the city centre? Let us say by 2020?

Alicante:

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/ali/marq1.jpg

This i a great project! Love it. Go Bergen!

How about some underground stations for the city centre? Let us say by 2020?

that would be a dream come true :)

Indeed. I think it is vital for the future development of the B-bane. How about underground at Bergen stasjon, Bryggen/Torget/fløybanen area and one more towards Sandviken. And of course: Coming from Fyllingsdalen - underground at university and Torgalmenningen before turning into Bergen station again ! :banana:

Indeed. I think it is vital for the future development of the B-bane. How about underground at Bergen stasjon, Bryggen/Torget/fløybanen area and one more towards Sandviken. And of course: Coming from Fyllingsdalen - underground at university and Torgalmenningen before turning into Bergen station again ! :banana:

what do you mean by "bergen station"?

bystasjonen?


the first bybanen tram just arrived in the city: http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Her-kommer-Bybanen-979566.html

A video of the first tram passing Danmarksplass since the 60's:)
http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/bybanen/article4748406.ece

It's funny now when you think about the old trams being sunk in Puddefjorden many years ago as a signal of the tram era being over in Bergen.

Nordea Liv whants a faster building prosess with OPS and financing.

"Tilbyr én milliard til mer bybane" (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Tilbyr-%C3%A9n-milliard-til-mer-bybane-988857.html)

Bybanen in the city yesterday for the first time:

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1279224_h3d02e65bdad02718aced_v1266159897_650x650.jpeg

Fantoft "student city" taking form:

http://media4.origo.no/-/cache/image/1276872_hcd8aa37a7a0e2c50565b_v1265975071_650x650.jpeg

Bybanen in the city yesterday for the first time:

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1279224_h3d02e65bdad02718aced_v1266159897_650x650.jpegHaving long been a bit of a tram enthusiast that almost brings a tear to my eye. Beautiful! :)

Beautiful! :)

Yes it is:) If we want new tracks in Bergen we have to build it ourselves. In Jernbaneverket we can not trust.

Why should Jernbaneverket build lightrail? Anyway, great to see this project, the first of many parts, coming to completion.

Why should Jernbaneverket build lightrail?

I was talking more about local train projects:) But it does'nt matter

i found a video of bybanen driving around in the most central districts of the city http://www.vimeo.com/9534355

www.bybanen.no has also been updated with pictures :)

well, i recently got home from Egypt so now im tanned and ready to start updating these threads again :)

here are some happy news about babynen

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Foerste-gang-paa-Nesttun-1044775.html

theyve now testdriven the entire track from the city centre to nesstun and everything seems to be going fine :) i really cant wait for June when it opens..

i bet i will ride it several times throughout the summer, though i really have no business in nesttun!!

Analysis of a future light-rail network in Bergen. With possible lines(from page 77). From this it looks like Loddefjord and Sotra is out before 2040.

http://www.hordaland.no/Hordaland-fylkeskommune/Samferdsel/Nyhende/Framtidig-bybanenett-i-Bergensomradet-/

http://www.hordaland.no/Global/samferdsel/Filer/ra5011567_bybanenett_sluttrapport_11_18-12-09_normal.pdf

Artists decorating the tunnels of Bybanen:

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/trafikk/Tunnelkunst-for-Bybanen-1051182.html#1052340

edit, wrong thread...

Klarsignal fra regjeringen

Utbyggingen av Bybanen og Ringvei vest holder frem uten stopp.

- Det er med stor glede vi har mottatt meldingen om regjeringens positive innstilling i sak om videreføring av Bergensprogrammet. Dette har stor betydning for utviklingen av byen og regionen, sier byrådsleder Monica Mæland.

- Vi gleder oss over videreføringen av bybanen til Rådal, etappe 2 av Ringvei Vest og en enda bedre mulighet for en tredobling av sykkelsatsingen i byen, sier Lisbeth Iversen, byråd for byutvikling, næring og klima.

Bompengesøknaden for videreføring av Bergensprogrammet omfatter også midler til Skansetunnelen og en rekke andre prosjekt. Bompengeordningen forlenges med 10 år, fra 2015 til 2025.

- Nå er også planprosessen for regulering av bybanestrekningen Rådal-Flesland formelt startet opp. Vårt håp med dette er at bybanen kan bygges kontinuerlig og stå ferdig til Flesland i løpet av 2015. Dagens nyhet fra statsråd Kleppa passer som hånd i hanske i byrådets langsiktige strategi for et helhetlig miljøvennlig transportsystem i Bergen, sier Iversen.

- Vår glede i dag er ikke blitt mindre etter at vi har fått melding fra Slottet om at Hennes Kongelig Høyhet Dronning Sonja kommer til Bybaneåpningen 22.juni.

Iversen mener Bergen nå for alvor blir satt på kartet.

Beholder kompetansen
- Vi kan nå gå videre med disse viktige utbyggingene og være trygge på at vi vil få rasjonell drift uten unødig opphold. Svært gledelig, sier fylkesordfører Torill Selsvold Nyborg som regner med at Stortinget vil følge innstillingen fra regjeringen, når saken skal behandles i løpet av våren.

De planlagte investeringene beløper seg til i overkant av 6,2 milliarder kroner. Om lag halvparten skal dekkes av Hordaland fylkeskommune, resten med bompenger.

Til sommeren blir anleggsarbeidet på første etappe av Bybanen, fra sentrum til Nesttun, ferdigstilt. Andre etappe fra Nesttun til Rådal skal etter planen stå ferdig i 2012.

- Med klarsignal til byggesteg 2 av Bybanen vil organisasjonen for bybaneutbyggingen kunne opprettholdes, og vi får nytte av deres kompetanse i den videre utbyggingen, sier fylkesordføreren.

Første etappe av Ringvei vest skal åpnes i sommer.

Miljø
- En utvidelse av Bergensprogrammet legger til rette for en videre utvikling av et mer miljøvennlig og effektivt transportsystem, med vekt på et godt kollektivtilbud og bedre forhold for fotgjengerne og syklister. Dette styrker Bergensområdet, som er en av de viktigste økonomi-, kompetanse- og innovasjonsregionene i landet. Området er viktig for verdiskaping på Vestlandet og ellers i landet, sier samferdselsminister Magnhild Meltveit Kleppa.

Det åpnes også for at Bergen kan få såkalte belønningsmidler til en forlengelse av Bybanen til Flesland.

«I den grad Bergen oppfyller vilkårene for midler fra Belønningsordningen kan disse midlene benyttes til delfinansiering av forlengelse av Bybanen. Samferdselsdepartementet vil imidlertid stille strenge krav til trafikkregulerende tiltak for tildeling av belønningsmidler.» heter det i proposisjonen som i dag ble lagt frem.

Gulrot
- Dette er en milepæl, og det viser at regjeringen stiller opp hvis Bergen stiller opp, sier gruppeleder Oddny Miljeteig (SV).

Sammen med opposisjonspartiene AP og SP i Bergen har hun fått laget en bybanevogn som gulrotkake.

- Nå er det viktig at Bergen kommune og Hordaland fylke får på plass konkrete tiltak for å få ned biltrafikken, og for å oppfylle kravene til belønningsmidler, sier hun.

- Disse midlene vokser og kan utgjøre flere hundre millioner kroner som kan brukes til forlengelse av Bybanen, sier Ruth Grung (AP).

Også Seinulf Tungesvik og Ove Sverre Bjørdal fra SP vil nå legge press på byrådspartiene for å få på plass køprising og andre bilbegrensninger i sentrum.

- De trafikale problemene må løses med gode kollektivtilbud, ikke bare krisetiltak når giftskyen ligger over byen, sier Grung.

- Bompengeran
- Dette er et nytt bompengeran fra en regjering som bruker bompenger som utpressing. En regjering som samler penger på fond i utlandet og lar bilistene kjøpe vei på avbetaling hjemme. I tillegg presser regjeringen ytterligere på for å få rushtidsavgift i Bergen. Formuleringen ”i den grad Bergen oppfyller vilkåra for milder fra belønningsordningen” er en åpen politisk utpressing overfor innbyggerne i Norges nest største by og alle transportbrukerne i Bergensregionen, sier stortingsrepresentant Arne Sortevik (FrP).

Han ville heller hatt tog enn Bybane til Flesland.

- FrP vil ha full utbygging av Ringvei vest etappe 2 og 3, bygging av Skansenstunnel og forlengelse av dagens jernbane til Flesland; alt med statlig finansiering og selvfølgelig uten bompenger.

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Klarsignal-fra-regjeringen-1056167.html

^^Good news:cheers:

Love this :okay:

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1279224_h3d02e65bdad02718aced_v1266159897_650x650.jpeg


Meanwhile Malmö can't get its thumb out of its ass and remains the city with the worst public transport system in Western Europe. :ohno:

Those trains are massive! Bigger than the (newer) oslo trams right?

Those trains are massive! Bigger than the (newer) oslo trams right?

from wikipedia:
The trams are 32.180 mm (1.2669 in) long and 2.65 meters (8 ft 8 in) wide; dead weight is 35.7 tonnes (35.1 LT; 39.4 ST). The trams have five articulated sections, and are expandable with another two modules to a length of 42 meters (138 ft), should higher capacity be necessary in the future. All stations are dimensioned for extended trams.

Slik blir de nye bybanemelodiene (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Bybanemelodiene-1072121.html)

some of them are alright.. but i honestly think this is a pretty ridiculous idea. im pretty sure id prefer a beep instead of those melodies.

Slik blir de nye bybanemelodiene (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Bybanemelodiene-1072121.html)

some of them are alright.. but i honestly think this is a pretty ridiculous idea. im pretty sure id prefer a beep instead of those melodies.

Oh my god, late april fools? I even get superannoyed by the "ding" on NSB's trains. Wonder how this' gonna get..:nuts:

Well icecheese.. We get someone who says "Neste holdeplass e Torgadå" in STAVANGERSK! And we Haugesund people aren't too fond on them... :lol:

Now that is annoying :bash:

^^The newest stops on #Ruters busroutes in Oslo and Akershus are announced by a differnt voice (man) than all the other stops. That's annoying!!:bash:

Recommended line from the planners between Lagunen and Flesland:

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00638/bybanekart2_jpg_638127c.jpg

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/bybanen/Slik-vil-de-bygge-bane-til-Flesland-1056755.html

looks good to me. do those white stripes mark that its going through a tunnel? in that case, thats a lot of tunnels! i love that :)

is the plain red dot where the terminal will be? i cant wait to take the bybane to and from the airport.. too bad itll be minimum five years till i get to do this!!

i have a vision that they should have some bybanevogner that are direct routes from the airport to the city centre.. maybe they could be white like the flight buses :)

i have a vision that they should have some bybanevogner that are direct routes from the airport to the city centre.. maybe they could be white like the flight buses :)

40 min to the airport is a long time. This is no expresstrain to the airport. It will be seightseeing for the tourists. Maybe they will continue with expressbusses:) Direct busses on ringvei vest will be much faster.
But with a frequence of 5 or 10 min for much of the day many people will take bybanen to and from the airport anyway.

^^

For people living in the southern part of the line it will be a good link to the airport. I guess it's really not meant to be an airport train though.

But I know that NSB are planning an express line to the airport when the seaport is moved.

^^

For people living in the southern part of the line it will be a good link to the airport. I guess it's really not meant to be an airport train though.


You are right. This is not built to be expresstrain for people just going to the city center or the airport. If it was it would not have any stops. It has to be seen in combination with other transportation systems. For people living south of the city in places like Dasnmarksplass, Inndalsveien, Nesttun, Råstølen etc it will be an option to the airport.
As mentioned before a possible future light-rail line through Fyllingsdalen will give 15min shorter traveltime to the airport, an expresstrain even shorter. The light-rail line is planned to Oasen and it is not a long distance to link up the two lines in the Sandsli/Kokstad-area sometime in the future.

bybanen.no was updated with new pictures today

http://origo.no/-/image_pile/show/38467_bilder

as you can see, everything is pretty much completed by now :)

i really cant wait to try it out when its finished..

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/politikk/article5113396.ece

Krangler om bybanefest
http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/708x708r/03228/1273678682000_Bybanen_versj_3228769708x708r.jpg
2,2 millioner vil bybanefesten koste. – Meget nøkternt, mener Lisbeth Iversen (KrF). – Bortkastede penger, mener Ruth Grung (Ap).

i just had to include the picture.. i really love how shiny it looks!

It looks fantastic! I'm really happy for Bergen :)

:)

oh, and someone has updated wikipedia with pictures and some info about nearly all of the stations

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_stasjoner_p%C3%A5_Bybanen

I must really complement Bergen on this one.
Beautiful design (of both the trains and the stations) for a beautiful city :banana:

Hope it's used so much that they build even more after B2.

im very happy with the design of both the trains and the stations, as well :)

i really hope that they will expand the line all the way to the airport and then all the way to åsane, through sandviken.

like ive said before, id really love to see some underground stations in the city centre and maybe some other places, too, if its advantageous.

Man, when does it open? I really want to take a trip up there and try it out.

^^22 June. I consider taking a trip to Bergen myself.

I would wait a week or two after the opening. My guess is that it will be to crowded in the first few days of people that want to try.

i have to say, it kinda sucks that ill be in Greece when it opens.. luckily ill be home the week after!

when i get home the first thing i will do is to take it all the way to Nesttun :)

then i will walk up and down the nesttun shopping street, which i actually cant remember having ever done before.. before returning onto the train and maybe drop off at some random and unknown station on the way to the city center, and explore it before going back home. :)

of course you oslolendinger are all welcome to come and take bybanen for a spin ;) lol

The design of the trains is very, very close to perfection. I must say that it's currently my favourite design. And this wonderful light rail system is another reason for me to finally visit Norway in near future. :cheers:

^^22 June. I consider taking a trip to Bergen myself.

Maybe a good opportunity for an SSC Norway meet?

:)

oh, and someone has updated wikipedia with pictures and some info about nearly all of the stations

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_stasjoner_p%C3%A5_Bybanen

Haha, funny, it was me posting those articles:) i tend to use a username called "insimy" :)

Haha, funny, it was me posting those articles:) i tend to use a username called "insimy" :)

haha :)

is it you who posted in the comments section under one of the images on bybanen.no?

thats why i decided to check wikipedia :lol:

welcome to the boards.. i hope you will stay, as we really need more forumers from Bergen here (and the rest of the country, for that matter..)

me and hansabjørnen are pretty much the only active bergensers here, so youre more than welcome to start posting :)

haha :)

is it you who posted in the comments section under one of the images on bybanen.no?

thats why i decided to check wikipedia :lol:

welcome to the boards.. i hope you will stay, as we really need more forumers from Bergen here (and the rest of the country, for that matter..)

me and hansabjørnen are pretty much the only active bergensers here, so youre more than welcome to start posting :)

Well, I use to comment on the photos on bybanen.no , calling me SN. (yes i know, many usernames:bash:). I guess.

Thanks:)

Some testdrives of bybanen "Bergensbanen-style":)

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For more videos like this, you can go to "tuxicated" on Youtube: http://youtube.com/user/tuxicated:)

If soembody wants to take a look inside of the trains, go to 5:00 in this video:

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I just love how it sounds like a metro when it is in the tunnel(s)!

notifyist, there is something wrong with your code.

the videos are great :) id love ones in HD that were taken during the summer when the city looks its best!

really cant wait to try this thing myself.. 1 month left now!!

For more videos like this, you can go to "tuxicated" on Youtube: http://youtube.com/user/tuxicated:)

If soembody wants to take a look inside of the trains, go to 5:00 in this video:

Still not right:D

try like this:

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(without the space)

There are quite a few european style rowhouses in Bergen :) Surpriced to see that there are not physical barriers on road crossing the tracks, yet i imagine they are all signalled crossings. Hopefully there will not be to many accidents...

I see tagging in tunnel walls already. Good job!:D What do they need vents for in the tunnel, though? One would think electrical trains had quite low emissions...

In case of fire?

Yes, I think it is in case of fire.

I see tagging in tunnel walls already. Good job!:D What do they need vents for in the tunnel, though? One would think electrical trains had quite low emissions...

im calling in from sunny barcelona... :)

what is it that you find so appealing about tagging? unless that was meant as a joke..

It's more colourful than a grey wall in my opinion.

im calling in from sunny barcelona... :)

what is it that you find so appealing about tagging? unless that was meant as a joke..

I second that question. Tagging represents poverty and decay in my opinion. I thought only rebelious kids and half criminal adults thought this was cool.

I second that question. Tagging represents poverty and decay in my opinion. I thought only rebelious kids and half criminal adults thought this was cool.

Poverty and decay? It's more about art and freedom of expression.

Think about it, if you want to create something that's visible in the public today you need lots of money. Why is it okay that big rich companies can fill the city with ugly advertising, while people with no money don't have any chance to impact their surroundings?

Of course there is a lot of ugly grafitti, but there is also a lot of great grafitti. Does that mean it's okay to ban all of it? Should we also ban bad music from the radio? And ugly buildings while we're at it?

Even though people knowingly break the law when they tag, there's actually a great deal of self-censorship in the grafitti community. If you tag on private buildings and private properties in a way that invades people's personal space, then everyone will hate you. It's only "okay" to tag on state property, infrastructure (tunnels, underpasses, signs, etc), and blank walls. Public transport like buses and metro is also "okay", but I don't agree with that.

im calling in from sunny barcelona... :)

what is it that you find so appealing about tagging? unless that was meant as a joke..

My initial thought to "good job" was that they haven't even opened the tunnels before they get tagged. I don't like tagging on buildings and such, but when it's talking of ugly concrete walls like this one, I actually think it's for the better.

i define tagging as ugly vandalism and graffiti as pretty art.

i disagree that a grey wall looks better with tags on it.. but graffiti i dont mind, and i actually encourage it :)

mulefisk, i agree with everything you say.. it all makes so much sense when you put it like that, but in reality tagging is incredibly ugly and the people who make them know theyre engaging in vandalism when theyre making those krusseduller.. and vandalism is their only reason for doing it, as well.

tagging is basically just an activity which only lowlife people with very little to do in their life, engage in.. while graffiti is done by artists. that is my perception.

if you wish, ill find you some examples of tagging and graffiti tomorrow or sometime later in the week when im home again.

^^

I know what the difference between tags and grafitti is. :) But other people might like to see.

I think tags can look good if they're made by someone with artistic skill. Of course, that's not everyone, but I think there should be room for the ugly ones too, because everyone has to start somewhere.

+ there is often poetry or political opinions that may be interesting or funny to read :)

i think most of the tags you see on walls around cities are not trying to be anything but vandalism. if people want to become good graffiti artists, they shouldnt start by vandalizing public property, they should attend a course or something.

also, i very rarely find any of those political opinions very interesting :) and even if they did hold some interest, in most cases, im sure id rather prefer a clean wall to them..

Except tags like "Fuck the police", "snut er ut" etc, I rarely see anything but signatures and such, more like "I was here and did something illigal". Very few use tagging as an way to show their intentions, but rather getting a kick of doing something illigal.

Grafitti on the other hand is art, and some of the motives are very nice. Here in Tønsberg, some pro grafittie artists was invited to spray under the bridge (kanalbrua). The motives was really impressive and people was stopping when passing it to look at the motives. And this guys had much respect in this miljø so noone spayed over it eighter.

I think pro graphitties should be more used in rather grey environments, like along bybanen, since I think this will lower the status of tagging on such places. Its like a pyroman are setting fire to a already burned down house, its not that cool....

Though, tagging in the tunnels is not that destroying. Concrete outside the tunnels should be rather covered with greenery...

The frequency of occasions where an actual statement makes its way to wall through a tag/piece of grafiti is so rare that tagging in general should not be excused by this. The usual form of tagging is just plain ugly and performed by kids who do not understand the consequence this has for the property owner, nor the fact that the vast majority of people who are old enough to own property dislike it.

Many of you are positive to graffiti, but I would say that most graffiti pieces also look like crap. Be honest, is some word written with bubble gum letters an esthetic addition to any wall?

Sometimes a well made painting is made that complements the wall it is made on, but once again, this is extremely rare. And this is also the source to the problem. The people doing this are forcing it upon the public in a way that makes it impossible to separate the acceptable ones from the shit and when 99% is shit, this is a problem.

I would definitely not buy into an area with extensive tagging/graffiti. The very least these kids should do is write their scrambling with chalk and thereby make each tag temporary. It would even look nicer....

im glad some people agree with me!!

i definitely hope that bybanen wont be ruined by stupid taggers :)

Many of you are positive to graffiti, but I would say that most graffiti pieces also look like crap. Be honest, is some word written with bubble gum letters an esthetic addition to any wall?

Sometimes a well made painting is made that complements the wall it is made on, but once again, this is extremely rare. And this is also the source to the problem. The people doing this are forcing it upon the public in a way that makes it impossible to separate the acceptable ones from the shit and when 99% is shit, this is a problem.


Well, given that line of thought, are you also against advertising in public? Most of that is purely commercial and has about 0% artistic value.

I think it's a matter of taste. Some people like it, some people don't. We can't ban or hide an artform just because some people think it's ugly. I think designer chairs from the 80s are incredibly ugly, but I don't think that putting up a picture of one on a concrete wall should be illegal.

well, about 90% of the population think that tagging looks extremely ugly and that it ruins the city image.. surely those 10%, who are considered vandals by the general population, should not be allowed to ruin the city for the others.

putting up a picture of a chair is not the same as making a superugly and slurvete tag of one.. a picture has a tendency to look much more formal and its also possible to take down. its the same with advertisement signs.. and at least they formidler something. most tags are just the result of kids with drunken parents and no life.

I say no for tagging. People who intend to make things look ugly, tags a signature or like... But I say yes for graffiti if it is someone with artistic skills who "paint" the walls. It is better than large concrete walls in my opinion.

Well, given that line of thought, are you also against advertising in public? Most of that is purely commercial and has about 0% artistic value.

I think it's a matter of taste. Some people like it, some people don't. We can't ban or hide an artform just because some people think it's ugly. I think designer chairs from the 80s are incredibly ugly, but I don't think that putting up a picture of one on a concrete wall should be illegal.

Advertising billboards is an arrangement between the building owner and the advertiser where a fee is paid to the owner, and where the advertisement must comply with regulations. I really don't see any similarities. Large scale advertising is normally made to a high standard and is much nicer to look at than tagging. I would also say that advertisement belongs in an urban area. You could say the same for tagging, but where advertisements represent a healthy commercial sector, tagging represents vandalism and poverty. These are my associations anyway.

Bottom line for me is that this is ugly:
http://kjakan.rilum.no/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tagging02.jpg
(Image found at kjakan.rilum.no after a random web search)

osloborger, what are you talking about? thats beautiful art right there! not to say an extremely interesting read :lol:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3599/3430217430_78ae0d56b2.jpg

:)

^^

Hehe

Advertising billboards is an arrangement between the building owner and the advertiser where a fee is paid to the owner, and where the advertisement must comply with regulations. I really don't see any similarities. Large scale advertising is normally made to a high standard and is much nicer to look at than tagging. I would also say that advertisement belongs in an urban area. You could say the same for tagging, but where advertisements represent a healthy commercial sector, tagging represents vandalism and poverty. These are my associations anyway.

Bottom line for me is that this is ugly:
http://kjakan.rilum.no/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tagging02.jpg
(Image found at kjakan.rilum.no after a random web search)

You didn't pick the best example. :lol: That place would look pretty scruffy even without the grafitti. I think it looks pretty cool. They went a little overboard on the door, but you can't say that the people who made the rest of the tags don't have any artistic intent or skill.

So do you see any similarities between a guy playing guitar on the street and a platekompaniet playing a record over their speaker system? You say that advertisement belongs in an urban area while tagging doesn't. Well that's a bit like saying you can play a record in a shop for advertisement but you can't play on the street. Even if the guy sings really false, you can't say he should be banned from playing, because then you're banning freedom of speech.

Grafitti isn't about poverty. It's about freedom of expression and art. Besides, I've never said that grafitti should be legal everywhere. Just places where it doesn't make a difference and doesn't invade anyones privacy and personal space. I dpn't think a blank concrete wall looks better without grafitti.

^^


So do you see any similarities between a guy playing guitar on the street and a platekompaniet playing a record over their speaker system? You say that advertisement belongs in an urban area while tagging doesn't. Well that's a bit like saying you can play a record in a shop for advertisement but you can't play on the street. Even if the guy sings really false, you can't say he should be banned from playing, because then you're banning freedom of speech.



But street musicians, even the most annoying ones, aren't damaging other people's property - esthetics aside, the violation of property rights is a real problem

I never defended tagging on private properties, just blank concrete walls and places where it doesn't really destroy anything valuable.

But i dont think we're ever going to agree on this =P, so let's get back on topic. Here's a pic of bybanen:

http://www.sydvesten.no/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Nett_1010-bybanen1.jpg

another example i just stumbled upon, which shows that tagging is not something we want in our cities.. http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/oslo/article3667295.ece

but yeah, youre right.. this thread is about bybanen :)

That's just silly, c'mon it's Blitz - that house used to be a landmark in that city.

On another note: Congrats Bergen to have tough politicians like this:
Toppolitikerne i Bergen og Hordaland vil bygge bybane til Flesland med statlige penger de ikke vet om de får. (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Vil-bygge-bybane-med-papirpenger-1091329.html?xtor=RSS-2)

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Ok, good :)

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393917_h941a8742142a1c73f28f_v1274961941_672x.jpeg

Can't wait, only three weeks left!:smug:

yeah.. it will be amazing. too bad i wont get to try it till early july, but itll still be awesome! :) here are some good pictures of two nearly completed stops!


Florida this area will look great once the grass has grown..
http://media2.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393915_h5e2b4883b9800e942e83_v1274961928_672x.jpeg

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393917_h941a8742142a1c73f28f_v1274961941_672x.jpeg


Nygård

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393923_h22140a0143051ebf3e51_v1274962154_672x.jpeg


some of the area between Florida and Nygård & Nygård and Bystasjonen
http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393920_hd346be0f5c2360b15338_v1274962111_672x.jpeg

http://media1.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393922_h90f7e155f0a6b91bb83f_v1274962138_672x.jpeg

http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1393921_h8e9d110b0dc739feaf48_v1274962125_672x.jpeg

aah the opening of this thing cant come soon enough!! :cheers:

yeah.. it will be amazing. too bad i wont get to try it till early july, but itll still be awesome! here are some good pictures of two nearly completed stops!

I will be there on opening day, though there may be very crowdy around. Whatever, it is the opening, an event i would like to participate in.

I think it is weird that Queen Sonja will open the Bybanen, because the people in Oslo(read: staten) haven't done much for Bybanen. Then again it is not the queen nor the king that is responsible for that. I just think that the skjevfordeling between Oslo and the other big cities in Norway is retarded.:bash::ohno:

the skjevfordeling is indeed retarded.. in fact, its so retarded i feel im starting to get angry just thinking of it.. so maybe we should save it for another time, or perhaps start a new thread where we can discuss it?

i also think that the fact that we still have a royal family is retarded.. i freaking hate the fact that a person gets the status as a king of a country just cuz hes born into a specific family. i mean, come on.. we've come further than that, havent we?

id prefer to see the queen everywhere else but in Bergen taking credit for bybanen on the opening day.. seriously, she has nothing to do there just like she has nothing to do in the royal chair.

see, that last bit even rhymed :lol:

or perhaps start a new thread where we can discuss it?

And then base the accusations with sources maybe?

I would like to see a big article about Bybanen in the biggest newspapers(VG, Dagbladet, Aftenposten) where they write about how we actually made it happen(2,2 mrd NOK in toll-money). The state have to wake up. It is ridiculous how they are centralizing(is that a word) Oslo.

Again, sorry for bringing it up, but it is ridiculous and silly. Bergen should be an own country. Just joking.

And then base the accusations with sources maybe?

i doubt that would be much of a problem. perhaps you could find the fordeling of the statsbudjett for whatever year youd like and we'll have a look at it?

the idea of vestlandet becoming its own country its pretty cool, i mean.. just imagine how freaking awesome that would be!! :lol: i guess you should vote for vestlandspartiet!

I only find this :ohno:
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=526117

Im just tired of "vestlendinger" claiming that "Oslo/Østlandet får alt", and I havent really seen ANY sources at all.

Vestlandet behandles som en koloni. (http://www.abctv.no/borger/borgermeninger/090828/vestlandet-behandles-som-en-koloni)

i can probably find you some other stuff one time when its not past 1am and i have to get up in 5 hours..

i really dont wanna ruin the bybanen thread with this, though.

Ok, how did this thread "get off tracks" like this:lol: You think Oslo people didn't pay for our tram by ourself? You think ours was paid by the state?! Get a grip!
No one forced you to dig up the old tram tracks in the first place...

Ok, it is wrong of me to say that the state paid your tram, because i don't know that. But look away from railways and roads, then you should see what i mean.

But anyway, let's not take ethis discussion here.

Vestlandet behandles som en koloni. (http://www.abctv.no/borger/borgermeninger/090828/vestlandet-behandles-som-en-koloni)


Det vestlendingene utsettes for er skremmende likt den behandlingen mitt tidligere hjemland Kurdistan ble utsatt for under Saddam.

I'm finding it a little hard to take an article full of spelling errors and statements like that seriously. :lol:

It's not like the people here in Oslo have it so much better than you. Much of the money from our bomring also goes to avgifter and projects in other places.

Keep it on topic, no one is interested in "your" twisting of numbers. As is normal for these city-packages the state contributes about 40 %.

http://www.bergensprogrammet.no/mal_strgt.html#finansiering

This is the same number as for rail/road package nr 3 in Oslo.

I'm finding it a little hard to take an article full of spelling errors and statements like that seriously. :lol:

It's not like the people here in Oslo have it so much better than you. Much of the money from our bomring also goes to avgifter and projects in other places.

sorry, cant spot any spelling mistakes in that sentence.

im not saying that you necessarily have much better lives than us, but the area you live in certainly is way more påkosted than this area..

until anyone finds any relevant information that shows how much each county gets, we shouldnt continue this discussion.. especially not in the babynen thread.

I've always wondered why Vestlendinger feel that they are in a way "entitled" to resources out there in the ocean miles from their coasts. Like they somehow "deserved" it, or was responsible of putting it there, millions of years ago... Can someone explain that to me?! Or are the modern Vestlenders complaining actually direct descendants of the old høvdinger that ruled these lands more than a thousand years ago, before the country of Norway had been instated?

sorry, cant spot any spelling mistakes in that sentence.

im not saying that you necessarily have much better lives than us, but the area you live in certainly is way more påkosted than this area..

until anyone finds any relevant information that shows how much each county gets, we shouldnt continue this discussion.. especially not in the babynen thread.

It's not correct that over 70% of Norway's GDP comes from the counties on the west coast ("Vestlandet"). See http://www.ssb.no/fnr/ . Even if you count the continental shelf (24.7% in 2007), the number is just over 40%.

It's not surprising that the government spends more money on infrastructure and such in the southeastern counties ("Østlandet"), simply because more people are living there. It doesn't make sense to spend billions on a road that almost nobody will drive on. Take a class in macroeconomics, and you will understand why that is such a bad idea. This is just how the world works. I understand your frustration, but all I can tell you is that you should consider moving somewhere else if you want more stuff around you.

Now let's talk about that cool tram you guys built :)

actually, the reason why its just over 40% is cause many of the offices have moved to Oslo..

i know we're not entitled to all of it because its located here, but i cant believe you dont see the frustration in having to give so much of our stuff to you and get, what, 20% back? it just sucks that you get cool shit like the opera while we dont even have a proper road going from the airport to the city.. and lets not talk about your road and train from the airport and the airport itself.

how many pictures do i have to post of this thing in order to get back on topic?

A lot of really cool ones;)

Lol, I am an Vestlending, born and grown up in Hordaland. I have almost 20 years experience as Vestlending and 20 years as Østlending, and I think I have a balanced point of view in these matters.

The way I see it, Vestlendingene have no reason to complain. The general standard of living in Vestlandet is higher than in Østlandet. Yes, Østlandet and Oslo have more motorways, but there is a perfect explanation for this(a lot more cars) . Yes, Oslo gets the opera and the museums and so on, but these should and must be placed at the most populated and visited area, which is Oslo.

I would say that in general Oslo especially should get more money for infrastructure. The streets in the city centre is a complete scandal. I have never seen such horrible conditions in Vestlandet, NEVER. We all know the chaos in the train traffic around Oslo. And Oslo also have more traffic jams than other places in Norway.

Vestlendingene have no more rights for the oil-money than other parts of Norway, but still they have benifitted the most. It is a lot easier to work in the oil industry in Vestlandet, and the municipilaties are surfing high on all the tax income from all the companies and workers related to the oil.


So, stop complaining and get real, dear Vestlendinger. :cheers:

no ones saying oslo shouldnt get more money than bergen.. we're just saying that it shouldnt get ten times as much money, so itd be more desirable for you to stop raping this thread.

the arrival of train number 5 (i think). taken on monday.
http://media3.origo.no/-/cache/image/1400219_h1f8dec18ceb8f07c7cd4_v1275460010_672x.jpeg

i just realized im gonna be away from the city until around july 20th.. :ohno: so i wont get to try out bybanen until a month after its opened! what a shame.. oh well.

Testing of the trams went very bad today.

To bybanevogner - 201 og 202 - krasjet
Two trams have colided

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Bybanen-sporet-av-1098508.html

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00650/bybane4_jpg_650046b.jpg

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00650/bybanen-169_jpg_650073b.jpg

^^Why would they have two cross-sections on top of eachother? Asking for accidents..

yeah, i saw this when i was walking in the city earlier.

one of the guys there said it was cuz the bybane-drivers are still learning how to drive them properly.

it really surprises me how much attention this has gotten in newspapers all across the country.

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00650/bybane4_jpg_650046b.jpg

Looks like classic "skjevfordeling" to me..

are we really gonna get back on that subject?

You complain to Oslo about Bergen's skjevfordeling... Everyone else on the west coast whine about Bergen taking all the money from the rest of the west coast.. You whine, I whine we all whine together!:lol::nuts:

Maybe we all should get back on track :D

Hopefully they learned what not to do....

Why aren't these trains called 'trikk' as they are in Oslo?

Because the trikk was the name of the old much slower system scrapped decades ago. This system will be very different and therefor a new name reflects this :)

i think the main differences are that a trick runs in the same road as cars.. while a light rail system has its own trasè. it only crosses the road a few times.

I spent some days in Hamburg last week. Really nice city by the way ;). There, they don't have the classic tram (trikk) at all. However, they do have what they call "Schnellbahn" which is a Light Rail system that runs above ground, it actually runs on elevated tracks in the central parts of the city which is quite cool. In addition they also got a regular Metro below ground. Many stations are junctions between the two systems.

Looks like classic "skjevfordeling" to me..
:lol:

"201" the first tram in Bergen since 1965 crashed even before the opening:lol:

I expected some problems in the start but this was a little bit more than expected. All the oponents had their brightest day yesterday.

Fylkeskommunen finally vedtok future light rail lines:
Her skal Bybanen gå i fremtiden
http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/708x708r/03228/1273678691000_Bybanen_2048_x_111_3228711708x708r.jpg
Fylkestinget gjorde onsdag vedtak på hvor fremtidige bybanetraseer i Bergen skal ligge.


Ifølge NRK Hordaland skal disse fire strekningene prioriteres:

Rådal – Bergen lufthavn Flesland

Bergen sentrum – Åsane

Bergen sentrum – Haukeland sykehus – Mindemyren – Fyllingsdalen

Bergen sentrum – Loddefjord – Straume

Som vanlig stemte Frp imot, men også Høyre stemte mot forslaget etter at deres forslag om å ta vekk det siste punktet i planen. Det falt med bare 11 stemmer og dermed stemte Høyre med Frp.

Det holdt ikke siden Arbeiderpartiet, SV, Venstre, Senterpartiet, KrF og Rødt stemte for.

Fylkestinget går inn for at det skal startes planarbeid på de fire traseene, ifølge NRK.

sounds really good to me :)

but they should do it much faster then what they plan to.. i know that with enough help from staten this could all be finished by 2025.

id love to see the actual plans for where the railway is supposed to go.. i mean, from sentrum to haukeland sykehus? that sounds like it has to go underground, to me. :)

i wonder if theyre gonna make even more stops in sentrum or if theyll just use the existing one.. it would become quite busy!

itll be very interesting to see the final plans for this :) im glad they wanna continue utbyggingen av bybanen.

I wonder how the final plan for tracks through Sandviken will be. The tracks will necessarily be partly underground, but I doubt the stations will :(

Excellent :banana:

Does anybody have a good map of what this could look like?

I guess it will be something like this, except that the line to Loddeford and Straume is separated from the Fyllingsdalen line.

http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/archive/00615/byane_jpg_615082a.jpg

poor Laksevåg..

by the looks of it, the railway between Kunsthøyskolen and Haukeland Sykehus would have to go underground.. itd be the only logical thing to do.

here is a picture of a ticket automat which can be used to buy bybane tickets and refill your cards
http://media4.origo.no/-/cache/image/1406566_hc505f3e9b1014decd7e1_v1275929008_672x.jpeg

i think they have been installed on all stations now and theyll probably be turned on very soon.

double post..

poor Laksevåg..


we really don't know yet if Laksevåg is having the light rail. Rememver that the map i posted is from earlier.

I imagine, since there is a different line to Loddefjord than Fyllingsdalen, that Loddefjordline will run trough Laksevåg. Makes sense, no?

It actually does like the read line through Sanviksen has undergroung stations after all :banana: Though, I think the distance between kjøttbasaren and slakthustomten may be a bit long?

It actually does like the read line through Sanviksen has undergroung stations after all :banana: Though, I think the distance between kjøttbasaren and slakthustomten may be a bit long?

It will probably be some kind of combination between the red line and the green.
There is talk of an underground station under NHH because of the hight difference between Nyhavn, Eidsvåg and NHH in the middle(NHH is much higher). In Nyhavn there is allso huge development plans with appartments. In Åsane they should follow the green line on the left side of the motorway following the old road to reach more people.

I imagine, since there is a different line to Loddefjord than Fyllingsdalen, that Loddefjordline will run trough Laksevåg. Makes sense, no?

Yes it makes sense. Exactly what i ment.

I spent some days in Hamburg last week. Really nice city by the way ;). There, they don't have the classic tram (trikk) at all. However, they do have what they call "Schnellbahn" which is a Light Rail system that runs above ground, it actually runs on elevated tracks in the central parts of the city which is quite cool. In addition they also got a regular Metro below ground. Many stations are junctions between the two systems.

Hi,

I just want to correct this:
Hamburg does not have a light rail (yet). The old tram system had been gradually abolished until the late 1970's, just a few years before the renaissance of the tram in France. Now there is a new light rail network (called Stadtbahn) planned for Hamburg.
The Schnellbahn (S-Bahn) is a metro-like commuter-rail system, which runs completely grade-separated and on own tracks with third rail, with two sections being in tunnels. It is not a light-rail.
The U-Bahn is a heavy-rail-metro with third rail, which is for a large part elevated, with the rest being underground. It is also not a light-rail.

In practice the only real difference between U-Bahn and S-Bahn in Hamburg are just that they are operated by different companies and that the intervals at the U-Bahn are higher.

bybanen has been in another accident (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/trafikk/Bybanen-krasjet-igjen-1100761.html)

this is really fueling the fires of all the bybane haters out there..


krever bybane til Sotra (http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Krever-bybane-til-Sotra-1100470.html)

i like the thought of this, though i understand if the passasjergrunnlag is a little to small.

^^It was just a car not respecting traffic signals. Can't see how Bybanen can be to blame.

Why aren't these trains called 'trikk' as they are in Oslo?I think the distinction makes perfect sense. A tram ("trikk") is seen as something that runs in the city streets, while a metro ("bane") runs on its own track. The system in Bergen will run both in the city streets and on its own track, so the term "bybane" is fitting. People made a similar distinction here in Trondheim back when the system was larger, between the different tram lines ("trikkelinjer") and Gråkallbanen.

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Tram_Trondheim/Route-14_95_Breidalblikk.jpg

I think the distinction makes perfect sense. A tram ("trikk") is seen as something that runs in the city streets, while a metro ("bane") runs on its own track. The system in Bergen will run both in the city streets and on its own track, so the term "bybane" is fitting. People made a similar distinction here in Trondheim back when the system was larger, between the different tram lines ("trikkelinjer") and Gråkallbanen.

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Tram_Trondheim/Route-14_95_Breidalblikk.jpg

Creating new terms inspire to confusion, though. All tramsystems in Norway use the same concept of shared space in downtown areas and seperate line in suburban areas. Same with the new concept of "semimetro" in Oslo. Just creating unnecessary confusion amongst the public.

Same with the new concept of "semimetro" in Oslo.What is this?

^ Basicly a tram rolling stock running on metro-style tracks without meeting any obstacles on the way, like trams usually does. I think Semimetro means there will not cross intersections with cars like Bybane does, but rather tunnel under or bridge over those intersections.

Well this is good news:

Skal repareres i Bergen
Bybanevognene skal repareres i Bergen. Den ene vognen i drift neste uke.


PÅ STYLTER: To bybanevogner kolliderte forrige mandag i Christies Smellet skjedde da en av vognene ble penset inn på sporveksleren til nabosporet. FOTO: Rune Berentsen

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Publisert: 14.jun.2010 14:43 oppdatert: 14.jun.2010 15:23
Begge vognene som var involvert i kollisjonen 7. juni i Christies gate, skal repareres i Bergen. Det ble klart i dag.

Det er absolutt en mye bedre melding enn vi hadde forventet oss før helgen.
Carl Erik Nielsen, daglig leder Bybanen AS
- Vi venter fremdeles på den endelig rapporten fra Stadler. De har sagt at den skal komme i løpet av dagen. Men det stemmer at begge vognene skal repareres her i byen, sier daglig leder Carl Erik Nielsen i Bybanen AS til bt.no.

Nielsen sier han er spent på rapporten fra de tyske ekspertene og at han ser frem til å få en oversikt over skadene på vognene etter kollisjonen.

I drift neste uke
Det er bybanevognene 201 og 202 som må repareres etter at de forrige mandag braste sammen i krysset Kaigaten / Christies gate. Det var lenge uvisst om vognene måtte sendes til Tyskland for reparasjon. Men nå er det altså klart at begge vognene får bli i byen.

- Det er nå klart at den ene vognen skal være i drift igjen i slutten av neste uke. Den andre vognen er først klar om seks til åtte uker, sier Nielsen.

- Det er absolutt en mye bedre melding enn vi hadde forventet oss før helgen.

Må bygge om
Både driftshallen og verkstedshallen til Bybanen AS må tas i bruk for å få reparert vognene i Bergen. Det betyr at driftshallen, der de blant annet vasker vognene, må tilpasses midlertidig.

- Vi har allerede sendt av gårde boggier, det vil si drivverk og hjul, på den ene vognen til Tyskland og Sveits for reparasjon, sier Nielsen.

Det er denne vognen som først vil være klar om seks til åtte uker.



LES OGSÅ
- Tidenes
helvetesuke
Kan denne vognen redde bybanesommeren?
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Kan åpne med tre vogner
Åpningen vil gå som normalt. Men det er allerede klart at Bybanen må kjøre på halv kapasitet når den åpner igjen på grunn av uhellene.

Vognene som var involvert i en kollisjon i Bjørnsons gate 11. juni, vil våre klar til åpningen.

- I utgangspunktet kan vi åpne med bare tre vogner, siden den ene av ulykkesvognene er i drift igjen i slutten av åpningsuken, sier Nielsen.

Det betyr at det er mindre press på den nye vognene som kommer til byen i morgen. I utgangspunktet tar det 14 dager å klargjøre en vogn.

- Vi håper selvsagt at denne vognene kan komme i drift før tiden og vi presser Stadler hele tiden for å se om det er mulig.

Sommerens planlagte kjøring krever minimum fire vogner.

- Men det er minimum. Vi er i grenseland om noe uforutsett skjer, sier Nielsen.

Han sier at kollisjonen fredag er som forventet, men at kollisjonen mandag mellom bybanevognene kom som en bombe.

- Det positive er at samarbeidet mellom redningsetaten og Bybanen nå fungerer svært bra. Det tegner bra for Bybanen videre og sikkerheten.

source: http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/bybanen/Bybane-skjoert-ble-for-sexy-1102926.html
Bybane-skjørt ble for sexy

wtf? its already long enough.. i dont get how that is too short!

though admittedly id prefer it if they all wore miniskirts :lol:

^^The skirt in the picture seems to be about the same length as the ones NSB use. NSB is skanky?!

i know right?

its total bullshit.. does skyss consist of superchristians or something like that?

if anything, smaller skirts would attract more people :lol: like me!

when i grow up i will start a hooters version of bybanen, that opens after midnight.. the im sure no one could complain about it not being succesfull!

heres another "first person" video of bybanen, all the way from nesttun to the city.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hordaland/1.7167110

it also has some guy talking and explaining stuff.. and quite a bit of annoying music as well.

^^I actually watched most of that, it was funny to see how startled some of the pedestrians were when the bell rang at them to get the fuck out of the way.

Congratulations to all you Bergenites about this. It looks great!

bergensers* ;)

and yeah, i nearly shit my pants when that womans pram got stuck because of the edge of the sidewalk :lol: thought the baby was gonna die lol

New commercials for Bybanen (http://kompabanen.skyss.no/Default.aspx?v=3)

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Loved it

heres another "first person" video of bybanen, all the way from nesttun to the city.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hordaland/1.7167110

it also has some guy talking and explaining stuff.. and quite a bit of annoying music as well.Interesting, and a nice trip through Bergen for those of us who are not as familiar there.

The first stage opened yesterday. Edit Thread-text to BERGEN | Bybanen | Light Rail System | Stage 1 | Completed

I will start a new thread for the second stage.

The day after:
http://g.api.no/obscura/www.ba.no/708x708r/03305/1277303495000_Bybanen__Kaigaten__3305715708x708r.jpg

Opening day:
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab9/citalon/Dumping-ground%20for%20articles/IMG_2591.jpg

Bybanen feels very "subwayish". Especially in the tunnels
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab9/citalon/Dumping-ground%20for%20articles/IMG_2596.jpg

At 00:30 you can see how it looks like: (not me filming)
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The first stage opened yesterday. Edit Thread-text to BERGEN | Bybanen | Light Rail System | Stage 1 | Completed

I will start a new thread for the second stage.

Send a pm-message to one of the moderators to change the thread title.

^^How do I know who the mods are? You are more experienced here, so can you do it? :)

^^ ok, i've sent them a message since none of them was on msn or facebook right now! but just so you know, the list of mods are on the bottom of the Norway section page (Swede and AtlanticaC5 are the main mods since they are the only locals from Nordic & Baltic).

Congrats Bergen :cheers:

Bergen is in exclusive company here (http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/bergen/bergen.htm).

:cheers:

Because of copyrights you have to visit this link: Lightwaves in the light-rail tunnels (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hcgilje/sets/72157624330947064/with/4723379373/) Lovin it!:banana:

Gratulerer all Bergensers! :wave:

I will personally call it a tram, though:D

Gratulerer all Bergensers! :wave:

I will personally call it a tram, though:D

Have you taken a ride with Bybanen? If not, here's a little summary of the ride: short summary (http://twitter.com/simnys/status/16931968551)

^^No I haven't been that lucky yet. Still in Oslo:D

Edit: It seems as the correct term for tram running in designated route is "Forstadsbane"...

Congrats to Bergen!

For all you poor suckers like me who don't live in Bergen, NRK has released a video showing the whole trip from Nestun to Bergen sentrum, minute by minute:

http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/646526/

alright, so ive taken bybanen now.. and i really like it :) the lights on the walls inside the tunnels are awesome!!

i also found a really cool video with Lars Vaular regarding bybanen! everyone has to watch it!!

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New commercials for Bybanen (http://kompabanen.skyss.no/Default.aspx?v=3)

Not seen that one with Gullars before.

"men, eg e fugl eg":lol:

Ah, I didn't realize it had been posted before!

Sorry about that :)

I saw the bybanen thing off NRK the other week - it's quite stealth-like judging by the amount of times they had to use the horn! Looks like it travels really quickly too.

Yep, it doesn't make a lot of sound.. But I don't think it travels any fast at all while in the city centre, maybe for safety reasons.