View Full Version : Transport 2010: Will your city cope?
Mo Rush October 30th, 2009, 07:25 PM I think its a very serious question. Its more than just whether or not spectators or the FIFA Family can get to the stadium. Will there be enough trains? Where are these "new" train sets by Metrorail/PRASA? Will Capetonians actually use trains to the CBD? Do BRT routes have the capacity to serve World Cup needs? Where are these 1000 buses government has ordered and who decides which city gets which amount?
Which areas will have bottlenecks or be clogged up. Is the assumption that spectators will use the Fan Walk realistic? In bad weather are there contingency plans to meet the additional demand?
So do you feel your city will cope?
FlyBoi October 31st, 2009, 03:11 AM Dude if a lot of people hire cars, then Sandton and the North in general is gonna be a mess. I hope they'll be done with the Sandton and Rosebank Gautrain stations by then, then maybe Rivonia/Oxford will be "normal" again. Which isnt very encouraging because traffic was a problem anyway... When were/was the bus manufacturer(s) supposed to deliver? Has anyone seen any info on the tender process and the contract for the buses?
Pule November 1st, 2009, 08:52 AM I think its a very serious question. Its more than just whether or not spectators or the FIFA Family can get to the stadium. Will there be enough trains?
My contact in Nigel say we shouldn't worry about trains but the tran stations. CT is the only city that I believe it will have more train users than any city in SA. Joburg is constructing the "World Class train Station" in Nasrec precinct instead of them having invsted more money into Park Sation. How many people will be using that station after the World Cup? Park Station is used by people from all over Southern African countries but it lays there neglected. It's sad that so many people who are thought to be good decision makers have tought so stupid. The only mean of transport that will be playing a major role in 2010 are busses and more money should have been invested in them more than in rail as we have failed already. Shosholoza Meyl is the one that will mostly like be used a lot as people travel between cities.
Where are these "new" train sets by Metrorail/PRASA? Will Capetonians actually use trains to the CBD?
Do BRT routes have the capacity to serve World Cup needs?
The only problem we gonna have is when visitors want to visit meseums and other place of attractions in the CBD but we have a few hotels, I would say about 10 or less, wich wouldn't have plenty of visitors as the northern suburbs are the ones that will have large peace of the cake and if the BRT will be flowing between Sandton-Rosebank-Ellis Park/Soccer City then they will have to assign more busses to that route so as o cope with the demand. Metro buses will help ease the pressure that Rea Vaya will be experiencing.
Where are these 1000 buses government has ordered and who decides which city gets which amount?
Some are here already and remain confident that busses will be delivery as Hyundai is a FIFA partner and FIFA have said before that they will supply busses if the need arises. Saw this one on thursday in Sandton.
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Which areas will have bottlenecks or be clogged up. Is the assumption that spectators will use the Fan Walk realistic?
Johannesburg CBD, with taxis crossing over red robots and parking everywhere they want. If drastic measures are not taken now to make sure that there are proper taxi holding facilities in the CBD, we might as well move every 2010 visitor to Sandton and other parts of Northern Suburbs. Most people do not want to go into Joburg CBD not because of crime but because of lack of parking as crime has been dealt with. Large number of parking bays are occupied by taxis for large part of the day. between 15:30 and 19:00 taxis drive over red robots and clog the streets by stopping in the middle of intersections. If this is not being dealt with now, then we should expect havoc in 2010 FIFA WC as no taxis or hawkers will want to be moved during the tournament. JMPD and police need to hit the streets now and start moving taxis out of the way.
In bad weather are there contingency plans to meet the additional demand?
I wonder amd very doubtful of plans are in place.
So do you feel your city will cope?
No, we have failed dismally previously and every time we don't learn from our failures.
The failures we have at the moment within the transport fratenity is because of Jeff Radebe -
1. He promised the nation that by 2010 FIFA World Cup, 80% of taxix would have been recapitilised.
2. He promised the nation that all plans are in place for 2010 transport.
Pule November 1st, 2009, 09:17 AM I'm praying for the best but honestly, we not ready to transport the masses that will be lending in SA next Winter.
FlyBoi November 1st, 2009, 11:20 PM But why is noone panicking at national/provincial level? Is it arrogance? Idiocy? Bravado? What? Why are we the ones freaking out? Why do they not announce contingency plans now? Why? And are they gonna finish the northern part of the BRT line before 11 June?? Oy vey
Flood November 2nd, 2009, 08:07 AM But why is noone panicking at national/provincial level? Is it arrogance? Idiocy? Bravado? What? Why are we the ones freaking out? Why do they not announce contingency plans now? Why? And are they gonna finish the northern part of the BRT line before 11 June?? Oy vey
Sheer incompetence.
Aussie Steve November 2nd, 2009, 08:30 AM Having just seen the transportation services offer in Sth A, I must say, as an outsider from Australia, I wasn't at all impressed. The taxi service is very poor, the bus system hardly works, and the trains, well, they don't seem to exist. So overall, I think many non African's will be very surprised with the poor public transport service offered in most of Sth A.
But in saying all that, the road/freeway system is excellent, and much better then Australia. The freeways are well constructed and allow you to travel long distances between cities very quickly. So that is a great plus, but has lead to huge levels of congestion on the roads, due to lack of PT. Shame indeed.
joburg November 2nd, 2009, 08:51 AM The thing about big events in South Africa is that we have always appeared doomed to fail, but somehow we manage to pull the thing off. I think those Hyundai buses will somehow be Joburg's saving grace. And perhaps taxi associations will get their butts into gear and provide a decent service.
But I must admit that, in spite of this, i am terribly worried about public transport in Joburg, and echo many of the concerns that Pule has aired. Pule, I found your point about the Nasrec station particularly salient. Why on earth spend so much money on a fantastic station that isn't going to be used too much in the future? All you need are simple platforms, simple shelters, efficient information services, clean trains and an on-time train service.
Mo Rush November 2nd, 2009, 12:30 PM Having just seen the transportation services offer in Sth A, I must say, as an outsider from Australia, I wasn't at all impressed. The taxi service is very poor, the bus system hardly works, and the trains, well, they don't seem to exist. So overall, I think many non African's will be very surprised with the poor public transport service offered in most of Sth A.
But in saying all that, the road/freeway system is excellent, and much better then Australia. The freeways are well constructed and allow you to travel long distances between cities very quickly. So that is a great plus, but has lead to huge levels of congestion on the roads, due to lack of PT. Shame indeed.
Trains account for half the public transport usage in Cape Town, moving close to 650,000 daily.
The split between train:bus:taxi is
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FlyBoi November 2nd, 2009, 12:44 PM Is Durban Transport up and running again? I used to be so proud of that service and moving to Jhb, it shocked me that the bus service here ended at bloody 18.30!!!! :bash::ohno: Its shameful considering that there is/was a midnight bus that went through the whole Umlazi, a township in Durban, dropping off people yet in the biggest and richest city, if you arrive at Ghandi late, good luck...
FlyBoi November 2nd, 2009, 01:38 PM Trains account for half the public transport usage in Cape Town, moving close to 650,000 daily.
The split between train:bus:taxi is
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The thing with CT trains is that they actually go into suburbs (except round Greenpoint and Camps Bay side). It was surprising to hear the lady we stayed with there say she takes the train from the station just outside their house to work and this is a middle class lady. Coming from Joburg, my eyes nearly popped out of my eye sockets lol looking at interior pictures, your trains look clean and refurbished, on the whole innocuous. Not like the wild west I feel we have on our trains here. Maybe its just my perception of Jhb...
Pule November 2nd, 2009, 02:16 PM When coming to issue of trains in Joburg, I must say that we the worst our of all major cities in SA. The bus system in terms of Metro bus/Putco offers a fair service but they could do better. There problem with the public transport in SA is that there's too much talk and less actions. We were told that starting from Confederations Cup we were gonna experience a better transport system and only to have BRT stopped and inefficient Taxi industry being the transporter.
Why don't we make sure that trains are running smoothly now by at least having proper electronic information boards in train stations. Make sure that the trains station preincts are safe and well light. That's a simple task whichcan be dealth with with just less than a month of planning.
With trains, busses and most taxis are in good conditions but they need to be properly managed. The next focus point should have been transport after construction of stadiums and government should put all stops to make sure that SA does have a reliable transport system. What the fvck are the waiting for?
Mo Rush November 2nd, 2009, 02:22 PM While Cape Town's rail lines penetrate the suburbs fairly well, will those e.g. in Goodwood, actually use the park and ride at Monte Vista. Will people really want to park their cars at Century City and use a train or bus to the city?
Why on earth is the City of Cape Town not putting out draft timetables in terms of buses/trains etc. They say they are waiting for the final draw to finalize demand but I bet that even after the final draw there won't be an integrated form of communication with regards to transport.
Cities should just form websites with up to date information. Why is this so difficult?
FlyBoi November 2nd, 2009, 02:38 PM waiting for Godot...
Andrew_za November 2nd, 2009, 02:40 PM All this negativity and pessimistic attitudes! Come on guys this is SA. We are a young, growing democratic nation with so much to be grateful for, and so much to look forward to.
Transport is an issue, which they are working on. There is going to be problems, it’s a new system. Think +/- two years back, and look now. There is progress. Although I agree that we need to be professional; things don’t always go according to plan, problems occur, something people need to get over. One needs to be flexible and be able to understand that.
FIFA and LOC is aware of the current state of transportation, and I’m sure they both will do all they can to ensure that no or little problems occur come 11 June 2010.
FlyBoi November 2nd, 2009, 02:47 PM While Cape Town's rail lines penetrate the suburbs fairly well, will those e.g. in Goodwood, actually use the park and ride at Monte Vista. Will people really want to park their cars at Century City and use a train or bus to the city?
Why on earth is the City of Cape Town not putting out draft timetables in terms of buses/trains etc. They say they are waiting for the final draw to finalize demand but I bet that even after the final draw there won't be an integrated form of communication with regards to transport.
Cities should just form websites with up to date information. Why is this so difficult?
But this isn't only about the World Cup. We need the information anyway! Do we not matter? Finalising demand lol there's already demand! All seems to be about pleasing World Cup tourists. While that's a good thing, it also feels like they're saying, "if it werent for these tourists you lot wouldnt get jacksh**! As soon as they're gone, its back to business as usual."
FlyBoi November 2nd, 2009, 02:58 PM All this negativity and pessimistic attitudes! Come on guys this is SA. We are a young, growing democratic nation with so much to be grateful for, and so much to look forward to.
Transport is an issue, which they are working on. There is going to be problems, it’s a new system. Think +/- two years back, and look now. There is progress. Although I agree that we need to be professional; things don’t always go according to plan, problems occur, something people need to get over. One needs to be flexible and be able to understand that.
FIFA and LOC is aware of the current state of transportation, and I’m sure they both will do all they can to ensure that no or little problems occur come 11 June 2010.
While I agree that problems do occur and we should be positive about this great land, I disagree that we are a young nation in business terms. This country's public transport has been around since before 1994. We demand too little of these guy. I see no reason why we shouldnt have excellent systems in place within months because South Africans can go anywhere in the world and hold their own. Why are they slack at home? Is it not possible to adopt best practices immediately? Why must it take decades? I want a damn Oyster card.
ok...venting is done.
greenandgold November 2nd, 2009, 04:47 PM With Nelspruit/Mbombela Im not sure if they will be ready at all. Ok we have good bus transport between town and the townships. But with the public transport to the stadium I have seen some Europe like buses on the road but no one knows anything about the plans. I will keep you posted if I find anything.
Mo Rush November 2nd, 2009, 04:47 PM We bail out Eksom and all those other under performers including SAA but when it comes to public transport infrastructure we'll be singing the same tune in 5 years.
Pule November 2nd, 2009, 07:22 PM ^^ you have forgotten to include the likely extra 1% on our tax to fund the SABC.
Pule November 2nd, 2009, 07:32 PM All this negativity and pessimistic attitudes! Come on guys this is SA. We are a young, growing democratic nation with so much to be grateful for, and so much to look forward to.
We are not being negative Andrew but just being realistic. The love we have for this country is the one that makes us get even more irritated with what is happeing.
Transport is an issue, which they are working on. There is going to be problems, it’s a new system.
The issue here is are they working on as they supposed to? Didn't Jeff radebe say so for years and we failed people during Confederations Cup? Did you see the number of people at the stadium during the opening ceremony of the Confederations Cup which was the cause of the transport problem, well I was one of those which were delayed even though I came an hour and a half before the start of the opening ceremony. The point i that this sysytem need to be ready now so that they can be trialed for at leats 4 months before the start of the tournament.
Think +/- two years back, and look now. There is progress. Although I agree that we need to be professional; things don’t always go according to plan, problems occur, something people need to get over. One needs to be flexible and be able to understand that. True, things have been improved but we also have to look at the leve they are going at. We cannot affort any delay and I hope the autorities are not gonna pull Jeff Radebe stunts of promising the nation plenty of things and fail to deliver one of his projects.
FIFA and LOC is aware of the current state of transportation, and I’m sure they both will do all they can to ensure that no or little problems occur come 11 June 2010.
I really don't thing FIFA is happy about the transport issue.
Mo Rush November 2nd, 2009, 09:33 PM The Confederations Cup issue was mainly around the park and ride which was overused, under serviced and overly marketed. The best option remains rail.
There is a huge report at www.transport.gov.za. I've read it and its all the basics which are missing. No lighting, no info, poorly trained staff etc.
Rail and BRT must be the mass movers. These park and rides will not be sufficient.
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greenandgold November 2nd, 2009, 09:59 PM Eish! Whats next? Tax instead of municipal rates, maybe that could get money for real urban developments. Hey someone start a thread on this it could be interesting.
Pule November 8th, 2009, 07:17 AM Johannesburg 2010 Transport -
1. 1st phase, we tought, will be ready to transport visitors in 2010.
2. Rea Vaya, link between Jozi CBD and Rosebank/Sandton won't be ready.
3. Taxis still drives like sh*t and making it difficult for anyone to drive in the CBD, imagine the 2010 visitors who are not familiar with driving on our roads. Additional buses which will transport visitors will be on road because all other means of transport are failures therefore we should expect the worst ever transport congestion we have ever experienced in this city.
and we promised to host THE BEST WORLD CUP come next year.
Pule November 8th, 2009, 07:37 AM The Confederations Cup issue was mainly around the park and ride which was overused, under serviced and overly marketed. The best option remains rail.
True, so true Mo. Yes, rail is the best option but that applies to CT and probably Durbs, ehich I doubt. I wish that our transport department could have being seeing things the way we do. One thing I promise you is that we are more concerned about the issue of transport more than those who are have been assigned the duty of delivering it.
There is a huge report at www.transport.gov.za (http://www.transport.gov.za). I've read it and its all the basics which are missing. No lighting, no info, poorly trained staff etc.
Unfortunately, "talk" is cheap and come next year we would, once again, have prove that talk is cheap when fans arrive late at the stadiums and even get involved in accidents because taxi people will be driving k@k as ussual and authorities won't be doing anything to sort them out but they will be hiding in bushes to trap people that are of less danger than taxi drivers.
Rail and BRT must be the mass movers. These park and rides will not be sufficient.
I wish that Sbu Ndebele and his compatriots could read this statement.
Some people might have a filling that we being pessimists but we are just being the realists. Politics are blinding us from seeing the reality.
Do you still believe that we gonna host the best FIFA World Cup? I DOUBT and I never believed in the statement.
Inertia November 8th, 2009, 12:08 PM And the biggest fail of all is the Gautrain only opening in October next year
Mo Rush November 8th, 2009, 02:30 PM Having read Cape Town's Host City Operations Plan version 4, I am feeling more optimistic BUT the LOC and FIFA need to finalize the use of the 1000 buses ordered and there are many projects which make no contingencies for weather.
Assuming 25,000 arrive at the stadium using the Match Shuttle is not feasible on stormy days
greenandgold November 8th, 2009, 04:21 PM You know maybe if these ministers could ride in public transport frequently maybe they will see thats its not fun to be treated like a cargo number in a taxi being sandwiched between to big mamas (no sexualism intended). You know I always hated taxis for being that small and being less comfortable, hey my head hits the top on those old Toyotas while Im sitting on those benches they call seats And its a pity that those foreign fans will get that hospitality from our taxi drivers. No joke intended but if you look at people in a taxi they never look happy, its like their eyes say "help us please".
Pule November 9th, 2009, 10:21 AM ^^ Lies, lies and more lies. The problem is that they always focusing on how to defend themselves in things they have done wrong instead of them working on solutions. I complained about 2 years ago about the transport preperations for 2010 and I was deemed a pessimist and now it's just over 6 moths to the FIFA tournament and everyone is raising eyebrows. Neil Fraser wrote loads of articles about Joburg and its transportation system but he was ignored.
The bus only transportation is not gonna be a solution at all as it will be visitors who will mainly using busses and the locals will still be driving in their cars and taxis will still be causing chaos. I guess we gonna have very long traffic reports during the tournament.
EduardSA November 9th, 2009, 10:45 AM Sad news about Gautrain, but I thought Rea Vaya phase 1B will be ready for 2010?
Pule November 9th, 2009, 12:21 PM ^^ nope, a certain potion of it which is possibly the currently existing one with a few extsnions which will be of no benefit to be honest as most hotels are in northern suburbs.
dysan1 December 6th, 2009, 03:16 PM PRASA Unveils Sleek New Stations, Trains and Buses Ahead of 2010
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PRASA today hosted Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele during a site inspection of the R408 million transformation of Cape Town Station. The walkabout followed a trip from Newlands Station on one of the 2000 trains being refurbished ahead of the 2010 FIFA World Cup™, giving passengers a taste of what football fans will be able to expect in June next year.
As 2010 FIFA World Cup™ national supporter PRASA also took the opportunity to unveil the revitalised Translux brand as displayed on one of 570 new buses acquired by Autopax.
Deputy Minister Cronin was accompanied on his tour of the facility by the Executive Mayor of the City of Cape Town, Dan Plato, the Chairman of the PRASA Board, Sfiso Buthelezi and the Group CEO of PRASA, Lucky Montana.
The Station’s facelift, refurbishment of trains and acquisition of new buses form part of PRASA’s three-year, R25 billion transport upgrade plan, a substantial portion of which has already been spent on boosting train (Shosholoza Meyl, Metrorail), bus (Autopax: Translux and City-to-City) and other transport-related services ahead of the 2010 FIFA World Cup.
“Around 1 million African visitors and over 400 000 overseas visitors are expected to place significant demand on our transport system,” said PRASA Group CEO Lucky Montana, “But we’re confident that given all the preparations we’re making, our services will exceed expectations.”
Cape Town Station: Although all planned upgrades at Cape Town Station precinct will only be completed in 2012, the Station is already almost unrecognisable from its former self, sporting a fresh, modern look and feel. The new concourse and ticket counters are complete and operational while the new food court, offices and ablution facilities are also already in use. (See media pack for more details.)
Surrounding the Station, as well as several others in the Cape Town area, residents will soon be able to look forward to major developments of housing and retail precincts that will transform the areas, promoting access to socio-economic opportunities within the city’s rail corridors.
Significant progress has also been achieved with the refurbishment of key stations including Reunion (Durban), Nasrec and Durban Station, while the following new stations are being built: Rhodesfield (Johannesburg), Moses Mabhida (Durban) and Windermere (Cape Town). The upgrades will enhance the commuting experience through the improvement of the environment, safety, security – with the introduction of Railway Police - and hygiene of the stations.
Trains: In an effort to bring South Africa’s train transport service in line with that of the rest of the world, PRASA is refurbishing trains in order for the fleet to operate at optimum levels of reliability and efficiency.
“With around R7 billion committed to transforming rail services operated by Metrorail (cities) and Shosholoza Meyl (long-distance) and the introduction of 2 000 refurbished coaches, we’re confident that our 2010 visitors will feel right at home travelling with us - while South Africans will wonder why they’ve not been travelling more by train before!” said Montana.
Metrorail’s new luxury Business Express trains sport brand new livery, comfortable seats, curtains and carpets, ensuring a fresh and luxurious look. Onboard services include cabin and security crew, a complimentary daily newspaper and refreshments.
Buses: “Where railway tracks will simply never take you, roads can, and that’s why our plan for public transport rests so heavily on the efficient workings of our inter-city bus services operated by Autopax’s Translux and City-to-City brands,” said Montana. In an effort to make sure its bus services are in tip-top shape in time for 2010, Autopax has embarked on plan to overhaul not only its operations and buses - on which it’s spending R1.4 billion - but also its people. A drive is underway to train frontline staff, such as sales consultants, sales managers, call centre personnel, hostesses and drivers, thereby ensuring that the brand is properly presented to both local and foreign passengers who’ll be using the service in the future. “Also, overall efficiency will receive a boost with our plans to establish an information control centre that will be centralised as part of our client services and upgraded call centre,” he added. “With around 190 days to go before kick-off, we’re confident that PRASA will provide stellar service, ensuring the overall success of the 2010 FIFA World Cup as fans enjoy a hassle-free experience, travelling both to and from the game. We simply can’t wait!” concluded Montana.
Please direct all media enquiries to Tiro Holele, Corporate Affairs Executive; 011 773 1600; 082 565 8681
Did You Know? Over the next three years, PRASA is spending R25 billion on improving South Africa’s transport system. Here’s how some of it’s being spent.
2010 Projects: R1.750 billion Trains: R7 billion Buses: R1.4 billion Signalling R1.5 billion Major station and infrastructure upgrades R2.6 billion
About PRASA: The Passenger Rail Agency of South Africa - PRASA - leads Government efforts to transform public transport in pursuit of a better life for all. www.prasa.com Metrorail – commuter rail services in urban metropolitan areas. www.metrorail.co.za Shosholoza Meyl – regional and long distance (inter-city) rail-based passenger transport, including luxury Premier Classe service. www.shosholozameyl.co.za; www.premierclasse.co.za Autopax (Translux, City-to-City) inter-city passenger bus services.www.autopax.co.za Intersite – property management and portfolio development. www.intersite.co.za
Pule December 6th, 2009, 03:36 PM Park Station still left out
Mo Rush December 6th, 2009, 03:37 PM Unveiling the Revitalised Translux Brand at Cape Town
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Pule December 6th, 2009, 03:37 PM Park Station still left out :ohno:
Mo Rush December 12th, 2009, 03:09 PM Larger image of the new Autopax Buses
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Leftfoot December 12th, 2009, 07:33 PM The transport system for me is sooooo complicated to plan. For instance, there are foreign visitors staying all over the place and in no particular order. How does any transport plan cover a multitude of different towns spread far and wide, with different visitors going to different games in a few different provinces. I have a real concern for the transport issue, foreign visitor should be weary that it’s not going to be as easy as Germany.
Match has about 250 beds or so reserved here in Richards bay.......who or what is going to take the visitors to Durban (180km) or wherever for that matter.
My personal opinion is that only large Busses and perhaps Taxis are going to work. Just thinking of Durban and their trains, are there trains to Umhlanga, Westville etc.....are foreign visitors even going to be staying in places served by trains.....it’s all very complex, and I have no idea how they going to plan this.
Just looking at the stats on ticket sales, it seems that most (I estimate around 70-80%) of the purchases are from locals. Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise and that locals will understand the transport issues and how to get around them.
It’s a huge task and I hope the organisers know what they are doing.
dysan1 December 13th, 2009, 01:10 PM The transport system for me is sooooo complicated to plan. For instance, there are foreign visitors staying all over the place and in no particular order. How does any transport plan cover a multitude of different towns spread far and wide, with different visitors going to different games in a few different provinces. I have a real concern for the transport issue, foreign visitor should be weary that it’s not going to be as easy as Germany.
Match has about 250 beds or so reserved here in Richards bay.......who or what is going to take the visitors to Durban (180km) or wherever for that matter.
My personal opinion is that only large Busses and perhaps Taxis are going to work. Just thinking of Durban and their trains, are there trains to Umhlanga, Westville etc.....are foreign visitors even going to be staying in places served by trains.....it’s all very complex, and I have no idea how they going to plan this.
Just looking at the stats on ticket sales, it seems that most (I estimate around 70-80%) of the purchases are from locals. Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise and that locals will understand the transport issues and how to get around them.
It’s a huge task and I hope the organisers know what they are doing.
The majority of people like those you mention staying in Richards bay will be here in package tours, that will utilise private buses to get people around. The vast majority of visitors will be using that form of transportation.
The rest that just by a ticket and come will use transport and this is being set up to serve the key hub routes in all cities. There are massive service routes to umhlanga already which are being expanded for 2010. I think the problem at the moment is that the systems have not been communicated to people yet, when they do that i think you may feel a bit more relaxed. But yes it is still the biggest issue
Mo Rush December 13th, 2009, 01:14 PM and if you book through MATCH, your transport to and from matches to your MATCH accommodation is sorted. Transport to other places between matches is probably up to you, unless the tour operator organizes trips.
The government has a huge computer program specifically for 2010 travel demand management which is of course now updated after the final draw.
Lydon December 14th, 2009, 09:46 AM This just serves to highlight how badly we do need proper public transport.
annman January 17th, 2010, 02:16 PM Panic builds over WC transport
Jan 17 2010 08:24 Antoinette Slabbert
Pretoria - Government is worried about the availability of money for transport during the Fifa World Cup tournament, but there is no need to panic, said Deputy Minister of Transport Jeremy Cronin.
Cronin was responding to various businesspeople and interested parties who had told Sake24 about a scrambling to find money for shortfalls on capital projects as well as for transport operations for the World Cup.
This could cause untold frustration for the 450 000-odd visitors needing to move between airports and cities to stadiums.
Cronin declined to give details, but confirmed that there was ongoing consultation with National Treasury.
Sake24 however understands that Minister of Transport Sibusiso Ndebele, the provincial MECs for transport as well as representatives of the host cities, will soon be meeting to allocate funds for capital expenditure on rapid-transport bus services.
Cronin confirmed that this was under discussion and that at least two Metro councils - Tshwane and eThekwini - had underspent.
Rapid-transport bus services were supposed to establish better public urban transport as a legacy of the World Cup.
From various quarters Sake24 has learned that unused funds can be taken back from Tshwane to meet price increases for the rapid bus services in Johannesburg, Cape Town and the Nelson Mandela Bay metro in Port Elizabeth.
According to the payment schedule on the National Treasury's web page, in the current financial year R565m would have been paid over to Tshwane from the allowance for public transport infrastructure and systems. Of this, R360m has apparently already been given to Tshwane. But little has yet been done and Sake24 was able to establish that only the environmental impact study for the first stage had been completed.
There is also great concern regarding operating plans for the tournament, causing some to think panicking might be appropriate.
Eric Cornelius, chief executive of the South African Bus Operators Association (Saboa), said the training of bus drivers began only in December.
Noluvuyo Halana, spokesperson for Autopax, confirmed that this training has not yet been paid for. Autopax is part of the Passenger Rail Agency of SA. Although Autopax has asked government for money, no allocation has yet been made. Autopax is apparently funding the training itself, but without assistance will find itself in a tight spot.
- Sake24.com
Pule January 17th, 2010, 08:06 PM I have said it time and time again, we gonna dissapoint when coming to the transport issue, watch the space.
Mo Rush January 17th, 2010, 08:56 PM The entire approach was wrong to begin with.
Pule January 18th, 2010, 08:15 AM ^^ I have to agree. Jeff Radebe messed things up.
Andrew_za January 24th, 2010, 06:35 PM World Cup bus stolen
Pretoria - One of Autopax's 160 brand new World Cup buses worth R2.8m has been stolen even before it could be equipped with a tracking device.
The buses, with their keys, were left in Autopax's Pretoria depot with only two unarmed guards keeping watch over them.
The purloined 2009 model Mercedes-Benz with its YVV793GP registration plate had not yet been painted in its new official colours.
The bus is one of a fleet of 570 that Autopax ordered with a view to the tournament.
Autopax is part of the Passenger Rail Agency (Prasa) and is responsible for inter-city bus transport for Match, Fifa's accommodation and hospitality agent and local organising committee, as well as for general transport for soccer fans.
The bus was apparently signed out on the pretext of being taken for a test drive, but was never returned. The company says it is conducting an internal investigation and reviewing all its security measures.
crazydude January 24th, 2010, 07:21 PM World Cup bus stolen
Pretoria - One of Autopax's 160 brand new World Cup buses worth R2.8m has been stolen even before it could be equipped with a tracking device.
The buses, with their keys, were left in Autopax's Pretoria depot with only two unarmed guards keeping watch over them.
The purloined 2009 model Mercedes-Benz with its YVV793GP registration plate had not yet been painted in its new official colours.
The bus is one of a fleet of 570 that Autopax ordered with a view to the tournament.
Autopax is part of the Passenger Rail Agency (Prasa) and is responsible for inter-city bus transport for Match, Fifa's accommodation and hospitality agent and local organising committee, as well as for general transport for soccer fans.
The bus was apparently signed out on the pretext of being taken for a test drive, but was never returned. The company says it is conducting an internal investigation and reviewing all its security measures.
Who the hell steals a bus? :nuts: Surley something that big should be easy to find?
Andrew_za January 24th, 2010, 08:12 PM Hey this is South Africa, Alive with possibility!
GetDownAdam January 25th, 2010, 12:33 PM Hey this is South Africa, Alive with possibility!
:lol:
Mo Rush January 25th, 2010, 03:43 PM I must say I am slightly disappointed.
I would have preferred if one lane on Western Boulevard was reserved for the buses.
They were not using the new GA buses which was also a shocker, since those buses were offering services between V&A and the station.
The journey from the stadium to the Civic Centre is much shorter than the 6 minutes in IRT documents , even when using GA buses, with no reserved lanes.
A friend of mine using the bus to access the taxis at the station, said everything was close enough, and just a short walk.
Mo Rush January 30th, 2010, 02:57 PM Anybody know why Computicket conflicts with FIFA?
They have excellent market penetration in terms of getting tickets to the lower LSM of the population. You can walk into any Checkers/Shoprite and buy/collect tickets. I assume there systems were advanced enough to have incorporate a special 2010 section.
Example: If your accommodation was in George, you could book a MATCH ticket e.g. for CT, which includes your bus trip on one of those inter city approved 2010 buses linked to your specific match.
Then you could also add a stop over at the Grahamstown Festival before heading to NMB or CT with an associated bus ticket specifically for WC movements.
or even better, you could access rail services too at this central booking point.
Lydon January 30th, 2010, 04:30 PM Not to mention the fact that Computicket's site has a nice calendar feature for scheduling events etc, which would make planning trips and adding in additional events far easier.
But of course FIFA wouldn't make the process so simple.
Mo Rush February 5th, 2010, 03:39 PM http://www.prasa.com/Images/PressRelease20091202_11.jpg
These buses are being used across Cape Town!! Saw a few. nice!
Mo Rush February 5th, 2010, 04:26 PM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4332007987_61824c8868_o.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/4332007471_a5b0a3543d_o.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4332007191_10c97b8512_o.jpghttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4332745720_743bcc1fab_o.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4332746010_9aec536fa3_o.jpg
crazydude February 5th, 2010, 04:50 PM ^^^^
Looks good, but surely the intercity one will need a different lay out. I can't see people willing to stand on a long distance trip like that. Surely that pic is just of the inner city buses, and all seater busses will be used for inter-city?
Mo Rush February 5th, 2010, 04:52 PM Its not the actual bus, its the bus branding template.
Must say, after seeing and reading the host city and venue transport plans of most host cities, feeling much better.
What we need right now is for Treasury to plug the funding gap on many small but vital projects e.g. R30 million is needed here and there on the operations side, to get things up and running and ready.
crazydude February 5th, 2010, 04:56 PM Its not the actual bus, its the bus branding template.
Must say, after seeing and reading the host city and venue transport plans of most host cities, feeling much better.
What we need right now is for Treasury to plug the funding gap on many small but vital projects e.g. R30 million is needed here and there on the operations side, to get things up and running and ready.
Oh, I see now.
Found this a few days ago: PE transport plan (http://www.nelsonmandelabay.gov.za/fifaworldcup/Content.aspx?objID=266). I thought that it looked ok, how do others think that it will go?
Mo Rush February 5th, 2010, 05:04 PM Oh, I see now.
Found this a few days ago: PE transport plan (http://www.nelsonmandelabay.gov.za/fifaworldcup/Content.aspx?objID=266). I thought that it looked ok, how do others think that it will go?
Send me your e-mail address. Will send you something detailed.
FlyBoi February 9th, 2010, 09:23 AM Hi can someone tell me why Joburg didn't use Metrobus as the shuttle service during confed or was it in conjuction with the Gauride taxis? It worked out pretty well for the World Summit
Pule February 9th, 2010, 09:42 AM ^^ Metro bus was used during Confederations Cup.
FlyBoi February 10th, 2010, 08:42 AM Oh. So was it the lack of numbers or were the buses handed over to someone else to organise? It seems weird that people got to the opening so late if metrobus was part of this. I'd expect it from taxis.
Pule February 10th, 2010, 11:12 AM ^^ the main problem was at parking areas after that it was ok.
Mo Rush March 9th, 2010, 11:05 PM Rustenburg
http://www.rustenburg.gov.za/2010_Transport_Strategy.pdf
http://www.rustenburg.gov.za/tender3.html - FIFA WC Fleet Management
http://www.rustenburg.gov.za/fifaworldcup/images/Park-&-Ride.jpg
Mo Rush March 9th, 2010, 11:14 PM Polokwane
ROAD CLOSURES DURING THE FIFA WORLD CUP 2010 http://www.polokwane.gov.za/img/template/content_bar_right.gif http://www.polokwane.gov.za/thumb.php?path=files/news_images/2610/map1-scaled.jpg&quality=100&length=500
2010-02-24 16:52:51
With the event drawing nearer, Polokwane is getting ready to proudly host its share of international matches for the FIFA World Cup 2010.
For both security and traffic congestion reasons, a system of road closures will be implemented. These road closures may cause a level of inconvenience to some residents and businesses, but the chance to host a World Cup is a “once in a lifetime” opportunity and should be viewed as a privilege.
There will be a different road closure system for Match and Non Match days.
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Match Days
During the 4 Match days, roads will be closed on the Southern side of Marshall Street from Church Street in the West to Webster Street in the East. Maroela Street in the East will also be closed. In addition, the intersection of Pafuri Street leading into the Fan Park area will be restricted access.
The R71 (Tzaneen Bypass) turnoff off the N1 and the intersection of the Tzaneen Bypass and Grobler Street will be closed for all vehicles except ticket holders who are accredited to park in the Stadium Precinct. All traffic will be allowed to exit from the Tzaneen Bypass freely, and only vehicles attempting to enter will be checked for the correct accreditation.
Roads will be closed from midnight to midnight on the day of each Match.
Non Match Days
During Non Match days, the Fan Park will be operational. Roads will be closed on the Southern side of Marshall Street from Church Street in the West to Biccard Street in the East. Any vehicles travelling along Suid Street will have to turn into Biccard Street away from the Fan Park.
Roads will be closed from midnight on 10 June 2010 to midnight on 11 July 2010.
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Vehicle Permits for Residents and Businesses
All residents and businesses requiring access through these road closures are to apply for a Vehicle Access Permit.
The issuing of permits will take place from 4 May 2010 to 9 July 2010.
A permit will be issued per vehicle at each residence / business.
These permits can be obtained from Arup, 33 General Joubert Street, Polokwane. Office hours are from 09:00 to 16:00.
Applicants are to present their Rates Invoice or a letter from their business requesting the permit.
Guest Houses and B&Bs
All Guest Houses and B&B’s are to present a list of their visitor’s names to the Commander at their nearest road closure by 08:00 in the morning. Each visitor will be marked off as they arrive and allowed access to the establishment.
Pule March 10th, 2010, 10:22 AM Transport plans for fans
Written by Romaana Naidoo
Tuesday, 09 March 2010
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Park and ride, park and walk, public transport and taxis will all be used to get spectators to the game on time during the World Cup.
EXCITEMENT is building speedily as Joburgers get into the spirit of the World Cup, wearing football jerseys and hoisting flags, and decorating their cars, their homes and their workplaces with soccer themes.
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Rea Vaya: Johannesburg's flagship public transport intiative
The hype is catching and the City's transport department is readying itself for the influx of football fans, both local and international. The department is ironing out various transport plans to get spectators to and from stadiums, public viewing sites and fan fests.
It is responsible for providing safe, reliable and efficient public transport and ensuring that transport in Johannesburg is entirely effective on match days - and continues to work for four hours after games. It also must ensure a positive public transport legacy for residents, says Yolisa Mashilwane, the director of management support for transport in the City.
Joburg has been planning its physical transport infrastructure since South Africa won the bid to host the tournament. Mashilwane says: "Part of the physical infrastructure is Joburg's flagship initiative, the Rea Vaya Bus Rapid Transit system."
Rehana Moosajee, the member of the mayoral committee for transport, explains that Rea Vaya is expected to carry an estimated 20 000 spectators to Soccer City and Ellis Park, the two host stadiums.
Rea Vaya includes over 25 kilometres of dedicated lanes and more than 26 stations. Moosajee adds that phase 1A has been strategically implemented to meet the timeframes of the World Cup. The full phase 1A runs from the south and west - Protea Glen, Mofolo Park, Naledi, Eldorado Park and Dobsonville - and from Ellis Park in the east. There is also an inner city circular route.
[B]Special service
Mashilwane says there will be a special service during the tournament, which will mean a reduction in ordinary commuter services, especially on match days. The service will focus on spectators travelling to and from the stadiums.
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Metrorail will run additional services during the World Cup
Stations and roadworks at Ellis Park are complete and at Soccer City are almost complete. Stadiums have also been improved for easy passage of spectators between seats and transport.
The majority of people going to the stadiums will need to use public transport because of the large volumes of spectators and the traffic exclusion zones around the venues, says Mashilwane. People will also not only be staying in Joburg but will be travelling some distances to get to stadiums.
Traffic on some roads around the venues will be restricted and no private vehicles will be allowed near them.
There will, however, be three park and ride spots, where spectators can park their cars and take a shuttle service to and from the games. Their cars will be guarded. Accredited buses and taxis will provide the shuttle service. Parking will carry a fee. Park and rides will be set up at:
◦University of the Witwatersrand West Campus, on Enoch Sontonga Avenue in Braamfontein - GIS co-ordinates 26'11'25.58"S 28'1'38.24"E;
◦Bezuidenhout Valley Park, on Marcia Street in Observatory - GIS co-ordinates 26'10`55.74"S 28'05'37.43"E; and
◦Gold Reef City, on Data Crescent in Ormonde - GIS co-ordinates 26'14`20.89"S 28'0'39.13"E.
Park and walks have also been arranged for spectators to park their vehicles and walk on a designated route to the stadiums. One venue has been allocated for each stadium; spectators will have to pay to use these:
◦For Ellis Park, the park and walk is at Athlone Boys School on Third Street in Bezuidenhout Valley. The walk is 2,21 kilometres. The GIS co-ordinates are 26'11`15.09"S 28'4'51.03"E.
◦For Soccer City, the park and walk is at Aeroton Park, off Randshow Road in Aeroton. The walk is 2,42 kilometres. GIS co-ordinates are 26'14`55.93"S 27'58'19.11"E.
Additional services
According to Mashilwane, transport options during the tournament will include Metrobus, mini-bus taxis and metered taxis which will extend their operating hours and may adjust their routes to ensure that fan parks and fan villages are serviced.
Minibus taxis will provide feeder services In addition, inter city and inter provincial services will be provided from the beginning of June until a few days after the final in July. There will be extra buses operating on match days and others connecting Gauteng with Polokwane, Mbombela, Rustenburg and Bloemfontein.
Buses will also be used to connect OR International and Lanseria airports to Sandton and the Joburg inner city.
Metrorail and Shosholoza Meyl will also run additional services from all parts of the country, and it is likely that Gautrain will be operational from OR International Airport to Sandton Station. There will be Gautrain feeder and distribution buses servicing Rivonia, Rosebank, Sandton and the inner city.
With FIFA's headquarters in Sandton, the International Broadcasting Centre at Nasrec next to Soccer City in the south, and a Football for Hope Tournament scheduled for No 3 Square in Alexandra, Joburg will be a hub of activities.
It will be a key transport hub with most visitors arriving through OR Tambo International Airport. Cross-border buses from neighbouring countries will also be expected.
Mashilwane adds: "We have planned for this. There will be additional transport arrangements made during the whole tournament and very specific plans and arrangements made for match days."
Alternative viewing areas
The City has also allocated certain areas for public viewing. These include Township TV sites, public viewing areas and Fan Festivals.
There will be no shuttle services to these areas, Mashilwane says, and spectators are encouraged to use public transport as there will be no parking provided for the general public. These areas include:
◦Innes Free Park - Fan Festival in Sandton, GIS co-ordinates 26'6`20.05"S 28'4'31.88"E;
◦Elkah Stadium - Fan Festival in Soweto, GIS co-ordinates 26'15`55.15"S 27'52'2.55"E;
◦Mary Fitzgerald Square - Public viewing area in Newtown, GIS co-ordinates 26'12`9.05"S 28'1'52.18"E;
◦Ivory Park - Township TV;
◦Diepsloot Park - Township TV;
◦Orange Farm Regional Park - Township TV;
◦Kremetart Eldorado Park - Township TV;
◦Diepkloof Extreme Park - Township TV;
◦Orlando West - Township TV;
◦Thokoza Park - Township TV;
◦Joubert Park - Township TV; and
◦Rose Avenue Park in Lenasia - Township TV.
Residents who live in the vicinity of stadiums will need venue access parking permits.
Mashilwane says ticket holding spectators must plan how they will get to and from the stadiums well in advance, since park and ride and park and walk tickets need to be bought beforehand.
The City urges all spectators to give themselves plenty of time to get to and from stadiums from the pickup and transfer points.
Read more: http://www.joburg.org.za/content/view/4916/266/#ixzz0hlP2Of6z
Mo Rush March 10th, 2010, 12:04 PM Is Joburg still planning on making people pay to use the park and ride?
What have they done with all their billions?
The LOC has been disappointing in this regard and should have produced standard overlay, operations plans, security plans, info plans regarding park and rides.
E.g. cctv cameras, signage consistent across all host cities, signs indicating the amount of bays remaining, dedicated pick up and drop areas,
Pule March 10th, 2010, 12:25 PM ^^ I can't agree with you more Mo, as one of the official in Joburg said "The City is concentrating on the stadiums as if the world cup revolves around the stadiums only"...and I said "fans are gonna spend a maximum of a maximum of 4 hours at the stadium on selected days and the rest of the times they will be experiencing our cities and the country as a whole"...people are gonna be disspointed...
Mo Rush March 10th, 2010, 12:48 PM Or even get non-competing sponsors to brand/advertize park and rides i.e. those that do no conflict with FIFA sponsors.
e.g. the John's Butchery Park and Ride.
Use the revenue to fund signage, security etc.
In fact the SAPS should be deployed to park and rides.
Pule March 10th, 2010, 12:56 PM Mo, please check your pm.
Mo Rush March 10th, 2010, 01:33 PM Mo, please check your pm.
1. Announce all park and ride sites in major and minor publications.
2. Test Park and Ride sites during test/trial events
3. Tender for standard Park and Ride signage by the LOC and Host Cities
4. Tender for security at park and ride sites to supplement that by SAPS
5. Allocated trained volunteers to park and ride sites
6. Tender for construction of bus bays/drop off and pick up areas at park and ride sites.
7. Tender for temporary lighting at park and ride sites and lighting around park and ride sites
8. Hire loos at park and ride sites
9. Ensure local traders have access to outskirts of park and ride sites, but not conflicting with the operations of the site.
10. Launch park and ride tickets online via computicket, at no cost.
These free park and ride tickets will require your ticket number.
11. All park and ride tickets are managed in terms of demand post match to avoid congestion. e.g.
12. A towing service for illegal parking
13. Emergency services, first aid on site
14. Basic shelter at bus pick-up areas where necessary
15. Non-competing sponsors provided with options to brand a specific site or part of a site. Revenues generated go towards costs of operating the site
16. Cleaning services for park and ride sites, including bins for glass, paper etc.
17. Road signage at least 1km from park and ride sites approach guiding drivers to the location.
18. Designated taxi drop-off areas at park and ride sites.
19. Where feasible/possible, each park and ride ticket assigned to a specific bus or specific range of buses.
e.g. a ticket may be for a particular session e.g. 19:00 or 19:15 etc. to manage demand
20. Park and Ride timetables published online.
21. No park and ride service 1.5 hours before the match. No access to park and ride sites 1.5 hours before the match.
22. Reduced service on non-match days to access fan parks etc.
23. Basic shelter at park and ride bus waiting areas
24. Limited access to certain roads around park and ride site 5 hours before match starts.
25. Appoint park and ride manager for each site, to manage transport staff and volunteers.
Pule March 11th, 2010, 01:25 AM ^^ thanks.
pathfinder_2010 March 11th, 2010, 05:53 AM will there be taxis available from say the park and ride facility at wits university,Enoch Sontonga Avenue in Braamfontein - GIS co-ordinates 26'11'25.58"S 28'1'38.24"E at 11pm on match nights ?
whats the most efficient/cheapest way to get to and from the stadiums from the northern suburb like Midrand. Find a way to get to the park and ride place and then proceed to stadium ? Im sure my B&B would offer a way to get to the stadium but I dont know how much they could rip me off..
Pule March 11th, 2010, 05:57 AM ^^ taxis and buses will ferry people from the Park-n-Ride to the stadium for free but one will have to pay for parking.
In regards to cheapest way to Northern suburbs, I have no clue as you know City of Joburg do not inform anyone of their plans. Because you will be in Auckland Park, it will be easy for you to walk to Rea Vaya Station and catch a bus to the stadium.
pathfinder_2010 March 11th, 2010, 06:34 AM i thought someone suggested not to use public transport especially as foreigners. what is safe, what is not ? how safe is metrorail (not gautrain) in guateng?
Rea Vaya buses are public transport buses right ?
will the buses from ParknRide be different buses or Rea vaya also ?
Rea Vaya is the name of the public transport system in guateng right ?
Pule March 11th, 2010, 06:47 AM 1. Don't use Minibus taxis unless you being ferried from Park n Ride.
2. Rea Vaya is public transport and very safe.
3. Park n Ride will use different buses but Rea vaya will also famr part of the whole World Transport.
4. Metro rail is not safe in Johannesburg but the promise to make sure that fans using trains will be safe.
By the way it's Gauteng not Guateng.
Pule March 11th, 2010, 06:58 AM ^^ in regards to point No 4, please check this link http://www.transport.gov.za/siteimgs/Prasa%20presentation%20for%202010%20WC%20LTTT%20-%20%20090812.pdf
crazydude March 11th, 2010, 07:13 AM Here's some pics from a WC transport pdf I have for PE:
I had to cut the pdf up so this is the map in 3 parts:
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http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e160/crazydude22/transport2.jpg
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Sorry, not sure how to make the pics bigger. You should be able to see them on my photobucket page: http://s39.photobucket.com/home/crazydude22/index
Baiscally there will be routes from the airport, to the beachfront, where most of the fancy hotels are, St George's Park, the fan park, and Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium. There is also a route from the fan park to the stadium, and routes from the hotels to the stadium and fan parks.
There will be also be 4 park and rides and 1 park and walk. The park and rides are at Kings Beach, St George's Park, Greenacres, a large shopping centre, and Andrew Rabie High School, a school close to Greenacres. The park and walk is at Cillie High School. All park and ride/walks will run from 09:00 till 00:00 the next day.
Flood March 15th, 2010, 09:57 AM With just three months to go until kick off, i really feel the following points are becoming critical for joburg transport:
Metrobus & metrorail:
1. need to publish proper websites with interactive route maps, route timetables, ticketing info (cost, where to buy).
2. need to publish print media with route maps and timetables
3. need to improve their hotline services
4. need to put route maps and timetables on all their bus shelters / strategic points at all train stations
5. need proper information desk facilites at all major metrobus nodes (ghandi square etc.) and at all stations
6. need route info inside all their buses / trains
7. need electronic "next stop" signage inside all their buses / trains
8. need to introduce one-day, two-day, three-day and week passes
Inter-transport nodes (ghandi square / park station / or tambo etc.)
1. need proper information facilities to help the public plan routes requiring more than one transport mode
2. need improved signange
3. need improved ticketing facilities where someone can buy all the tickets they need for multiple transport modes.
Website:
1. City of Joburg desperately needs to publish a comprehensive interactive website which will help the public to plan a route on mulitple public transport modes throughout the city.
2. The web site should provide comprehensive info on ticketing
3. This website should be available at information points at all train stations, malls, airports, taxi ranks, major bus stops, tourism spots, major hotels etc and should be available in all major foreign languages (spanish, portuguese, german, french, mandarin, etc.)
Tour buses
1. Joburg needs tour buses
Someone arriving at OR Tambo should be immediately and effectively presented with the ability to find his/her way to their ultimate destination in Joburg using public transport.
Mo Rush March 15th, 2010, 10:11 AM With just three months to go until kick off, i really feel the following points are becoming critical for joburg transport:
Metrobus & metrorail:
1. need to publish proper websites with interactive route maps, route timetables, ticketing info (cost, where to buy).
2. need to publish print media with route maps and timetables
3. need to improve their hotline services
4. need to put route maps and timetables on all their bus shelters / strategic points at all train stations
5. need proper information desk facilites at all major metrobus nodes (ghandi square etc.) and at all stations
6. need route info inside all their buses / trains
7. need electronic "next stop" signage inside all their buses / trains
8. need to introduce one-day, two-day, three-day and week passes
Inter-transport nodes (ghandi square / park station / or tambo etc.)
1. need proper information facilities to help the public plan routes requiring more than one transport mode
2. need improved signange
3. need improved ticketing facilities where someone can buy all the tickets they need for multiple transport modes.
Website:
1. City of Joburg desperately needs to publish a comprehensive interactive website which will help the public to plan a route on mulitple public transport modes throughout the city.
2. The web site should provide comprehensive info on ticketing
3. This website should be available at information points at all train stations, malls, airports, taxi ranks, major bus stops, tourism spots, major hotels etc and should be available in all major foreign languages (spanish, portuguese, german, french, mandarin, etc.)
Tour buses
1. Joburg needs tour buses
Someone arriving at OR Tambo should be immediately and effectively presented with the ability to find his/her way to their ultimate destination in Joburg using public transport.
Timetables...published...in South AFrica?
Are you crazy?
Flood March 15th, 2010, 12:41 PM Timetables...published...in South AFrica?
Are you crazy?
Maybe just a rough guide then. :)
Mo Rush March 15th, 2010, 12:49 PM Cape Town's Inner City Loop is stupid. R8 every time you get on the bus.
This makes no sense for journalists who may need to move between different sites.
crazydude March 15th, 2010, 01:54 PM Cape Town's Inner City Loop is stupid. R8 every time you get on the bus.
This makes no sense for journalists who may need to move between different sites.
Don't they have a day/week/month card that you can use to ride the bus all the time?
Phil_Cpt March 17th, 2010, 12:37 PM Cape Town's Inner City Loop is stupid. R8 every time you get on the bus.
This makes no sense for journalists who may need to move between different sites.
I would rather walk and do some sight seeing.
Flood March 19th, 2010, 12:45 PM Does anyone know how Sandton will be linked with the rest of Joburg during the world cup?
Now that we know that Gautrain will be operating between OR Tambo and Sandton, I presume most foreign arrivals are going to hop on the train and end up in Sandton which is also where most of Joburgs hotels are found.
But then, other than one fanpark, there is very little happening in Sandton during the world cup. So how are people then going to get to Ellis Park and Soccer City? There are no trains linking to Sandton (other than Gautrain) and the Rea Vaya phase incorporating Sandton and Rosebank won't have been implemented.
I suppose people can catch Gautrain back to Rhodesfield and then connect with a metrorail train which can then get them to both Ellis Park and Soccer City - but this seems like a very round about route.
I've searched the web with no luck. Anyone got any ideas?
Mo Rush March 19th, 2010, 01:38 PM 'Kiss-and-ride' zones for Cape
19 March 2010, 12:45
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By Clayton Barnes
2010 Writer
Commuters did a double-take at boards outside the Kuils River train station at a large new sign directing motorists to a "kiss-and-ride" zone.
It has nothing to do with a "late-night parking spot", as one joker suggested, but rather marks the launch of the city's first park-and-ride facility at the station, ahead of the World Cup.
On Thursday Donald Cupido, the city's integrated transport planning manager, said Capetonians would have to get used to the "kiss-and-ride" signs at stations.
What they indicated essentially, were drop-and-go zones.
"It's basically an area in which people can say goodbye and drop off relatives, children or friends, and is part of the city's strategy to make these areas more social," he said.
One commuter, who didn't find the new signage fun or socially acceptable, asked: "Are they encouraging teenagers to come here for late night parking?"
Another, younger, commuter said: "It's funny. But not everyone will interpret it as a drop-and-go area."
A total of 26 stations are being upgraded with park-and-ride facilities for the event, with Kuils River the first to be launched.
Soccer fans travelling into the city from the northern suburbs and the Boland will be able to park their cars at the station, then take a free train ride into the city centre during the tournament.
Elizabeth Thompson, the city's mayoral committee member for transport, roads and major projects, said people from Kuils River and surrounds had been using the station's limited parking area as a park-and-ride facility for years, but now had a proper facility that could be used long after the World Cup.
She said that within the next five years, 75 percent of commuters would live no more than 500m from a public transport node.
"That is the city's plan, and we are working hard to achieve it," said Thompson.
The project was also aimed at encouraging motorists to use public transport into the CBD.
"The Kuils River park-and-ride will reduce dependency on private vehicles, ensuring safe journeys and reducing congestion and pollution," she said.
Thompson said South Africa was among countries with the highest numbers of road accidents in the world.
"We need to create an awareness that there is an alternative to private car usage... Travelling by car is not the most feasible option - there are practical alternatives."
The new park-and-ride facility has more than 300 parking bays, a soon-to-be-completed bicycle lock-up facility and an improved pedestrian walkway, which is still being constructed.
"All the paving and extra work will be complete by the end of this month," said Thompson.
Metrorail's regional manager, Stephen Ngobeni, said he was "excited" about seeing all the soccer fans pass through the station during the World Cup.
"It's going to be amazing," he said. "I was here a year ago, and things have improved."
More than half of public transport users in the Western Cape relied on trains to get to and from work and school, according to Ngobeni.
"Any commuter using this world-class facility will feel safe and confident.
"We want to encourage soccer enthusiasts to return to Cape Town with their families and friends, and will therefore ensure that their experience is as pleasant, safe and convenient as possible."
Taxis and buses would not be excluded from the park-and-ride network, said Thompson.
Taxis would be used to transport local fans from park-and-rides to the public viewing areas in Mitchells Plain, Khayelitsha, Bellville and Athlone.
In the city, fans will be able to walk to the stadium along the 1.9km Fan Walk, which stretches from Cape Town station down Waterkant Street, across Buitengracht and down the pedestrianised zone along Somerset Road to the stadium.
Two city sites have been identified as possible park-and-ride facilities - under the Foreshore freeways in the CBD, and in the District Six area.
In addition, about 35 000 permanent parking bays are available in the CBD, along with 6 000 public parking bays in the V&A Waterfront, all of which are available for use by spectators.
Seven of the eight matches will be held outside working hours, leaving the majority of the bays available.
The facilities will be managed by the city's 2010 transport management team.
This article was originally published on page 4 of The Cape Argus (http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5397122) on March 19, 2010
Lydon March 19th, 2010, 01:45 PM Lol, people will complain about ANYTHING just for the sake of complaining.
Pule March 19th, 2010, 02:53 PM Does anyone know how Sandton will be linked with the rest of Joburg during the world cup?
Now that we know that Gautrain will be operating between OR Tambo and Sandton, I presume most foreign arrivals are going to hop on the train and end up in Sandton which is also where most of Joburgs hotels are found.
But then, other than one fanpark, there is very little happening in Sandton during the world cup. So how are people then going to get to Ellis Park and Soccer City? There are no trains linking to Sandton (other than Gautrain) and the Rea Vaya phase incorporating Sandton and Rosebank won't have been implemented.
I suppose people can catch Gautrain back to Rhodesfield and then connect with a metrorail train which can then get them to both Ellis Park and Soccer City - but this seems like a very round about route.
I've searched the web with no luck. Anyone got any ideas?
I'm asking myself the same question, greed is gonna cost us dearly :ohno:
Flood March 19th, 2010, 03:39 PM I'm asking myself the same question, greed is gonna cost us dearly :ohno:
I just had a look at a comprehensive transport plan from about a year and a half ago which stated that Joburg's transport plan for the world cup was heavily dependant on the rea vaya system as follows: 640 buses, 390 000 passengers per day, routes extending to eastgate shopping mall, rosebank, sandton, Rivonia, randburg and alexandra and feeder routes around all these main routes.
The system that will be in place will not even be a fraction of the system envisaged here. Fail. :(
Part of the report dealt with possible risks. Under BRT not being complete as envisioned the recommendation is that FIFA sort the problem out. Double Fail. :(
I hope they're working hard on this problem.
crazydude March 19th, 2010, 05:02 PM ^^^^
I assume it was someone in this thread, but someone just asked about Rea Vaya in Sandton and getting to Ellis Park and Soccer City on Rea Vaya's Facebook page.
Flood March 26th, 2010, 03:52 PM Metrorail has published details of special services to stadiums in gauteng during wc2010:
http://www.metrorail.co.za/pdf/Gauteng_2010_Train_Service_Plan.pdf
Mo Rush March 26th, 2010, 05:55 PM A great summary of all the World Cup transport services available in Cape Town:
2010 Transport Information for the Western Cape - ver. 6 (http://www.capemetrorail.co.za/2010_Progress/2010fwc_WC_Transport_Information_v6.pdf)
pathfinder_2010 March 26th, 2010, 10:15 PM Found this comment from another forum -
I am having a pre wc holiday outside South Africa so I thought I would share some of my pithy observations and give some pointers about possible problems.
I flew out from Port Elizabeth. the airport is looking spruced up but has not been meaningfully expanded. there are still no air bridges (jetways). The departure lounge looks like it can hold 200 pax comfortably, 300 at a squeeze, 400 packed in like sardines. I predict there will be major problems after matches with people flying back to Johannesburg.
The runway has been re-surfaced and has been grooved for rain water run off, unlike the George airport where fingers are currently being pointed.
Unless i have missed something, OR Tambo airport did not receive a new departures hall, just a much improved arrivals facility.
checking in for most international airlines will be chaotic. south african airways tries to alleviate the problem by having some/all of their international passengers check in at the domestic terminal (B) but those passengers then have a lengthy walk to Terminal A where I did not notice any new departure gates. In fact, the departure lounge for the planes parked at remote stands was almost at capacity during the morning on a non peak travel day. JNB is busiest at night with most of the departures to Europe.
Both in the Cape and Gauteng, I noticed many ongoing infrastructure projects, far from completed, including the gautrain station near JNB.
They will not be completed in time!
So the word is, allow lots of time to make flights, etc.!
This person is overreacting ?
Pule March 27th, 2010, 06:17 AM ^^ didn't they say stadiums will never be completed? yes, some of the things do raise the eyebrowse but alternatives can always be considered.
Mo Rush March 27th, 2010, 05:04 PM Cape Town's work around the stadium while largely completed will need to be hurried...The odds and ends need finishing!
haggiesm March 29th, 2010, 09:01 AM i think he is overreacting. i found or tambo to be more efficient than the uk airports. but i guess that was my experience and it depends who you talk to.
Mo Rush March 29th, 2010, 09:23 AM The "entrances" and highways just as one enters the CBD looks horrific.
There are no plants, just sand, rusted verges and siderails.
The western boulevard entrance from the cbd to green point looks like it has for the last 20 years...zero flags...zero paint
There is no indication of the world cup using western boulevard to the stadium.
Its all actually quite pathetic.
Flood April 1st, 2010, 09:23 AM ^^ Joburgs highways and "gateways" to the city are just as bad. The R24 from the highway to Bruma is horrific. Many of the lights aren't working, the verges are overgrown with weeds and are strewn with litter, the fences either side are old and battered and have been broken down in many places, the concrete barrier between the two carriage-ways looks terrible, with weeds growing, broken fences and dirty concrete.
There was apparently a R30 million contract awarded to beautify this highway out but there was all sorts of contreversy surrounding it:
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/article354774.ece
Anyone know whats going on here?
We want flags and lights and neat, clean verges and no weeds and repaired fences and lots of other stuff. We want visitors to be overwhelmed from the minute they arrive in SA!
Pule April 1st, 2010, 12:13 PM ^^ we raised those issue long time but unfotunately that part is under inefficient Ekurhuleni Muncipality.
Mo Rush April 1st, 2010, 02:21 PM Getting Around
http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/CT_CBD_s.jpg
One of the most important aspects of hosting an event such as the 2010 FIFA World Cup™ is to ensure that visitors and residents can get around safely and comfortably.
The City of Cape Town has made special transport arrangements in order to offer visitors and residents safe and easily accessible public transport before, during and after the World Cup™.
The city's regular rail, bus, minibus taxi and metered taxi services will extend their offerings to cater for increased demand around match times, and will cater for a wide variety of transport requirements. Transport services linking Cape Town with the rest of South Africa will also expand their operations.
Travelling by private vehicle in affected areas at this time is strongly discouraged due to extensive road closures, traffic exclusion areas, parking restrictions and probable congestion.
Cape Town will host eight World Cup™ matches. Different transport plans will apply to match and non-match days.
The city's main transport hub will be in Hertzog Boulevard outside the Civic Centre in central Cape Town. This is within easy walking distance of Cape Town Station; the Golden Acre bus terminus; station deck minibus taxi rank; metered-taxi ranks; long-distance bus terminal; FIFA Fan Fest™ and the fan walk to Cape Town Stadium. There will be a transport information kiosk at the transport hub, as well as volunteers to assist visitors.
Transport maps:
Map A: Match day road closures and access restrictions
(http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_A.jpg)Map B: Non-match day road closures and access restrictions (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_B.jpg)
Map C: Match dar pedestrian routes
(http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_C.jpg)Map D: Additional road based public transport services for the event over and above the existing services
(http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)Map E: Public transport access points (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_E.jpg)
Bus Services during the World Cup™
An airport-to-city service will run 24 hours a day from the newly completed bus station at Cape Town International Airport to the main transport hub (see Map D (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)). It will cost R50 one way and will depart every six to 30 minutes, depending on demand. Metered taxi services will be available at the airport and at the transport hub to take visitors to their accommodation.
The inner-city bus service, which will run 24 hours a day, will provide convenient access to numerous inner-city hotels, accommodation nodes, restaurants, entertainment areas, parking areas, and places of interest. Journeys will cost R8 and buses will run every 10 to 30 minutes. (see Map D (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)).
The Waterfront and Sea Point bus service will run from the main transport hub to Queen’s Beach in Sea Point, via the Waterfront (see Map D (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)). This service will operate until 02:00 daily and the cost will be based on the distance travelled.
Bus services on match days
Match ticket holders can take a free shuttle bus service from the main transport hub to Cape Town Stadium in Green Point (see Map D (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)). This service will operate from four hours before kick-off, until six hours after the final whistle. Buses will depart every three to five minutes, depending on demand.
A park-and-ride service will run at the same times from the University of Cape Town’s upper campus in Rondebosch to the main transport hub, and will also be free of charge for match ticket holders.
The Atlantic seaboard service (a paid service) will run from Hout Bay to the main transport hub, via Camps Bay and Sea Point, to Cape Town Stadium (see Map D (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)). It will operate from four hours before kick-off, until 02h00. This service provides convenient access to the park-and-ride schemes at Kronendal Primary School sports field in Hout Bay, and at Camps Bay High School sports field. The cost of the journey will be based on the distance travelled, as with the regular service, and buses will arrive at regular intervals.
Rail
Cape Town has an efficient and safe rail network that serves 70% of the metropolitan area and includes 119 stations. Cape Town Station is a short walk away from the main transport hub. The rail service will operate from 04h00 to 01h00 on all days during the World Cup™, with trains passing through at least every hour. There is also a regular service from the central railway station to Stellenbosch and Paarl.
Those wishing to drive into Cape Town during the World Cup™ are advised to make use of the 25 stations which have been identified as convenient park-and-ride locations (see Map E (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_E.jpg)). These will offer more than 7 000 remote parking bays, and will also have additional security, as well as offering World Cup™ related activities.
Metered taxis
These will operate from some of the 15 major rail stations and from the central transport hub in Hertzog Boulevard outside the Cape Town Civic Centre. From the hotel one can catch a metered taxi to the transport hub and a shuttle bus to the stadium on match days.
Minibus taxis
These are most commonly used by locals and cover most of the Cape Town metropolitan area. They are not generally recommended for tourists, but they will operate to and from the public viewing areas. Information on the location of minibus taxi terminals can be obtained from all transport information kiosks.
Car rental
Vehicle hire desks are located at the airport and in the city centre. South Africans drive on the left hand side of the road, and observe the speed limit in kilometres per hour.
Parking
Motorists are warned that there will be no general spectator parking at the stadium or surrounding areas, and parking in the city centre is also severely limited. The City is encouraging all spectators to use the identified park-and-ride facilities outside the city centre, as indicated on Map E (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_E.jpg).
Walking and cycling
The City has created certain dedicated pedestrian and bicycle routes in the city centre so that fans can walk and cycle about easily, while at the same time enjoying the festive spirit. The Fan Walk, covering 2.2km, links the FIFA Fan Fest™ on the Grand Parade with the stadium (see Map C (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_C.jpg)). Fans are strongly encouraged to walk between the city centre and stadium, due to transport delays. Bicycles will be available to rent, but cycling is not advised during peak periods on match days due to the large numbers of pedestrians expected. Helmets are a safety requirement. Pedestrian access to the stadium will also be provided from the V&A Waterfront. Walking alone after dark in unpopulated areas in not recommended.
Public transport to Public Viewing Areas
Regular public transport services from nearby rail stations and public transport interchanges will serve the Public Viewing Areas. The cost of the journey will depend on the distance travelled.
Bellville Velodrome is served by the Durban Road route, which links directly to Bellville Station.
Athlone Civic Centre is located on Klipfontein Road, and within 300 metres of Athlone Station.
Oliver Tambo Sports Hall in Khayelitsha is located on Lansdowne Road, and within 500 metres of Nonkqubela Station.
Swartklip Sports Hall in Mitchells Plain is located on Spine Road, and within walking distance of Mitchells Plain Station and town centre.
Travellers with Disabilities
Buses on the shuttle routes from the airport and to the stadium will be wheelchair friendly, as will be the main transport hub and the shuttle stations.
A special-needs transport hub at the Civic Centre, between the main transport hub and Cape Town Station, will operate on all match days (see Maps A (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_A.jpg), B (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_B.jpg), C (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_C.jpg) and D (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_D.jpg)). This park-and-ride service to and from the stadium will be exclusively for people with disabilities, and will be free of charge.
Wheelchair users with a wheelchair match ticket and those in possession of a doctor’s certificate confirming their immobility, can email transport.info@capetown.gov.za to book a place on this shuttle.
Some private taxi operators will also be able to transport wheelchair users to areas not covered by the shuttles.
Road closures
Although the City will endeavour to minimise disruptions as much as possible, some roads will be pedestrian-only zones, and others will be reserved for those with the necessary security clearance and event accreditation.
On non-match days during the World Cup™, the following roads near the stadium will be closed or have restricted access (see Map B (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_B.jpg)):
Near stadium:
Granger Bay Boulevard
Fritz Sonnenberg Road
Vlei Road
Fort Wynyard Street
Ebenezer Road between Port Road and Prestwich Street
City centre:
Darling Street between Adderley and Buitenkant Street, together with the side roads feeding into Darling, due to the FIFA Fan Fest™ on the Grand Parade.
On match days, the following roads will be closed, including for freight and delivery vehicles, from seven hours before the scheduled kick-off, until approximately four hours after the final whistle, depending on security considerations (see Map A (http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/FIFA2010/PublishingImages/Maps/Map_A.jpg)):
Hertzog Boulevard
Heerengracht and Adderley Street between Coen Steytler and Strand Street
Hans Strijdom Avenue
Western Boulevard up to Beach Road in Three Anchor Bay
Sections of Waterkant and Riebeeck Street
Somerset Road from Buitengragt to Ebenezer Road
Sections of Bree, Long and Loop Street around Waterkant Street
Deliveries to the stadium
All deliveries to the stadium will move through a logistics point (‘log point’) and a remote search park (RSP), before being escorted into the stadium. Delivery vehicles will be accredited at the log point once the contents and intended destination of the load have been verified. From here, the vehicle will undergo a security check in the RSP, before being allowed to cross the security perimeter of the stadium. Unauthorised vehicles will be diverted at the log point.
Port access
The port will be accessible throughout the World Cup™. However, operators should note that:
Access to the port through Dock Road will be restricted by the congestion and access control at the V&A Waterfront.
The Heerengracht entrance to the port will remain open.
The Oswald Pirow access to the port, along Table Bay Boulevard (N1), will be affected by the inflow of traffic related to the event.
Duncan Road will not be open to general traffic. However, shuttle buses and coaches will use sections of this road to transport spectators to and from the passenger liners berthed in the Duncan basin.
The Marine Drive access to the port will remain open, but may be affected by higher than normal traffic flows.
Freight vehicles should enter the port via the Marine Drive access, and exit via the Oswald Pirow access. Operators who usually approach the port along the N2 are advised to divert to the N1 earlier, and make use of the Marine Drive access.
Transport information
Information on regular public transport in Cape Town is available on the 24/7 Transport Information Centre’s toll-free number, 0800 65 64 63.
Any enquiries to the City of Cape Town’s Transport Department can be emailed to transport.info@capetown.gov.za
Lydon April 1st, 2010, 06:56 PM ^^ I love that photo.
_X_ April 16th, 2010, 07:00 PM Quantum leap in information-finally
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/ne...ound+made+easy
Getting around made easy
(LOC) Friday 16 April 2010
The nine cities which will host the 2010 FIFA World Cup™ in June and July have made sure that getting to the stadium on match day will be the last thing that fans have to worry about. Here is a summary of each host city’s transport plans for the tournament:
Johannesburg
Both Ellis Park and Soccer City stadium are serviced directly by commuter rail, so going to the game by train is simple. The Bus Rapid Transit System, a new public bus system, also services both stadiums directly with origins in Soweto, the Johannesburg central business district (CBD)and the northern suburbs. Gauteng provincial government will finalise an initiative for airport transfer services from OR Tambo International Airport to Johannesburg and the capital Tshwane/Pretoria. Park Station, in the CBD, will serve as a key hub for long distance transport into the city and supporters will be able to access city services from here. Park and ride sites - where spectators can park their cars and catch a lift to the stadium - will be implemented at various sites throughout the city.
Soccer City stadium
Park and Rides:
* Wits Campus, Enoch Sontonga Avenue, Braamfontein
* Gold Reef, Data Crescent, Ormonde
Park and Walks:
* Ormonde Shareworld, Shaft 17 and Nasrec Road
* Aeroton, Rand Show and Adcock Ingram Road
* Rand Show Road, Randshow and Aerodrome Road
Ellis Park stadium
Park and Rides:
* Wits Campus, Enoch Sontonga Avenue, Braamfontein
* Gold Reef, Data Crescent, Ormonde
* Bez Valley, Marcia Street, Observatory
Park and Walks:
* Athlone Boys, No 70 Bezuidenhout Avenue, 3rd and 4th Street, Bezuidenhout
Tshwane/Pretoria
The city will provide rail services through Metrorail which will service Loftus Stadium directly. A park and ride system will be implemented from various sites in the city. The city has also identified an area in one of the park and ride sites which will accommodate long distance bus services on match days. A partial bus service will also be implemented.
Park and Rides:
* Pretoria Sport Union, Totius Street
* Sports Campus, University of Pretoria, South Street Extension
Park and Walk:
* Pretoria Technical High School Corner of Park and Wessels Street
Cape Town
Cape Town’s World Cup transport plan includes commuter rail, the Integrated Rapid Transit System, (same as the BRT in Johannesburg), park and ride services and an airport shuttle from the Cape Town International to the stadium and designated transport hubs in the city. The city is also developing a long distance transport hub and services to the FIFA Fan Fest and the public viewing areas will be provided by existing public transport. Twenty-two of the city’s rail stations will function as park and rides ferrying fans to the stadium and back again on match days.
Park and Rides:
* Upper Campus, University of Cape Town, Rondebosch
* Camps Bay High School, Victoria Road, Maidens Cove, Camps Bay
* Kroenendal Primary School, Andrews Road, Hout Bay
The city has also identified 22 train stations which will act as park and rides. Visit www.capetown.gov.za to find out more.
Durban
A commuter rail system operated by Metrorail will transport supporters close to the stadium precinct. The city is also implementing a network of park and walk sites including on the beachfront area where supporters will be able to leave their vehicles and walk to the stadium along a pedestrian walkway network. The park and ride facility will comprise parking sites and three shopping centres, which will feed the stadium through shuttles.
Park and Rides:
* Gateway Theatre of Shopping, Palm Boulevard, Umhlanga Ridge
* Pavillion, Jack Martens Drive, Westville
* Galleria, Moss Kolnick Drive, Amanzimtoti
Nelson Mandela Bay/ Port Elizabeth
The city will have park and ride services at three sites around the city with shuttles ferrying supporters to the stadium. Park and walk services will be implemented at one site in the city. A street parking plan to accommodate supporters close to the stadium will also be implemented. There are also plans in Nelson Mandela Bay/Port Elizabeth for a BRT bus system to be operational for the FIFA World Cup.
Park and Rides:
* Andrew Rabie School, Argon Road
* St Georges Park, Park Drive
* Kings Beach, Beach Road
Park and Walk:
* Cillier High School and Dr Viljoen Primary School, Kempston Road and Uitenhage Road
Mangaung/Bloemfontein
The city has provided pedestrian facilities from the Bloemfontein Station, a key public transport hub for the FIFA World Cup. Long distance rail will terminate at the station. Long distance bus travel will be accommodated in the CBD close to the stadium to allow supporters to walk to the match. Park and ride sites will be located in two sites in the city. Schools in the vicinity of the stadium will accommodate park and walk facilities.
Park and Rides:
* Bloemfontein Baptist Church, Nelson Mandela Drive
* Bloemfontein Showgrounds, Curie Avenue
Park and Walks:
* Grey College and Eunice School, Jock Meiring Street
* Municipal Parkade, Fontein Street
Nelspruit
Buses will transport supporters from park and ride sites in the city to the stadium. Shuttles will also be supplied from the main transport hub in the city centre. Existing public transport will transport supporters from the greater Nelspruit areas such as Whiteriver and Barberton. Park and ride facilities will be placed on the outskirts of the city to deal with the large influx of fans from Gauteng who will travel to Nelspruit along the N4 on match day.
Park and Rides:
* Riverside Mall, Government Boulevard
* Nelspruit Showground, Loco Road
* Nelspruit Rugby Club, Kiepersol Street
* Nelspruit High School
* Valencia Sports Complex, Van Bergen Street
Polokwane
The city has designed a park and ride system that will transport supporters from various sites in the city to both the stadium and the fan mile which is within walking distance of the stadium. The Fan Fest is also close to the stadium and will also be serviced by this system. Existing public transport will transport supporters from the city’s residential areas to the city centre.
Park and Rides:
* Gateway Airport
* Nirvana Showgrounds
Rustenburg
Park and ride systems in Rustenburg will use a combination of contracted bus and taxi services. OR Tambo International Airport will be the main air hub for the city and intercity transfers will transport fans between Johannesburg and Rustenburg. The city has also made provision for a long distance bus service to the stadium and supporters will be able to arrive in Royal Bafokeng and walk to their seats.
Park and Rides:
* Phokeng East
* Phokeng North
* R104 North
* R104 South
Flood May 17th, 2010, 09:43 AM Ok. So CoJ has published reasonably detailed info and guides about their transport plan for the WC. Check it out here:
http://www.joburg.org.za/content/view/5135/168/
And these pdfs:
http://www.joburg-archive.co.za/2010/pdfs/leaflet.pdf
http://www.joburg-archive.co.za/2010/pdfs/ellis_park.pdf
http://www.joburg-archive.co.za/2010/pdfs/soccer_city.pdf
Some interesting things to note:
- Westgate Station has been chosen as the primary transport hub for match day transport (and not Park Station??)
- Public transport between Sandton and Westgate Station is in the form of a metrobus shuttle running every 10 min. A one way ticket from Sandton to Westgate will cost R20.
- Shuttles will run between Lanseria Airport and Sandton and between ORTIA and Sandton on an ongoing basis
- On match days there will be a shuttle running between ORTIA and Westgate Station.
- The fan walk from Park Station to Ellis Park is happening: it goes along Rissik, Bree, Twist and Bok Streets - completely avoiding Joubert Park, JAG etc.
- Tickets for Park & Rides and Park & Walks will go on sale on the website www.ticketbreak.co.za shortly - R50 for a normal car, R100 for a minibus taxi etc.
- No special transport will be provided to the fan fests although the Sandton-Westgate shuttle will start and end at the Innes Free Park fan fest.
Seems like a pretty good plan to me. Although I'm trying to decide whether using Westgate Station as the primary match-day hub was a stroke of brilliance or of stupidity. Also I'm worried about the metrobus operated shuttle from Sandton to Westgate - it will be vitally important - and metrobus isn't the most reliable or best organised transport service in the world.
Anyone got any pics of Westgate Station?
Flood May 17th, 2010, 09:49 AM CoJ also has a facebook profile for their transport plans for the WC:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/2010-Transport-City-of-Joburg/363726642110?v=wall
GBees May 17th, 2010, 11:42 AM Dept of Transport "Getting Around" website
http://www.findyourway.co.za
Pule May 17th, 2010, 01:24 PM Anyone got any pics of Westgate Station?
That's good thought by the City, the Westgate is exactly what Joburg needs.
West gate 1
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/P_Sy/P1180883.jpg
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/P_Sy/P1180884.jpg
West gate 2
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/P_Sy/P1180886.jpg
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/P_Sy/P1180887.jpg
West Gate 3
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/P_Sy/P1180888.jpg
Pule May 17th, 2010, 01:27 PM ^^ there's a trains station, Metro buses and taxis at WestGate. It's a good side I must say.
I will try get more pics of the that transport hub. When i passed there last week, constractors were still busy with the upgrade.
Pule May 17th, 2010, 02:13 PM Here's Westgate Train Station.
http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/P_Sy/P1180885-1.jpg
Mo Rush May 17th, 2010, 07:43 PM Cape Town Main Transport Hub: Civic Centre Station
Consists of 4 glass IRT stations with a large central covered area under the bridge. Still lots of painting to do but at least lots of space around the site for all types of vehicles.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1346/4609778016_054e578405_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/4614596959_fc8dc1e11e_b.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1394/4609174185_dbc0ae49eb_o.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3391/4609780540_4ccf40d9ef_o.jpghttp://farm2.static.flickr.com/1011/4609172143_e5e72c3575_o.jpg
Pule May 18th, 2010, 06:46 AM WestGate Transport Hub, taken yesterday.
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466685/640/3466685.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466687/640/3466687.jpg
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466688/640/3466688.jpg
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466689/640/3466689.jpg
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466690/640/3466690.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466692/640/3466692.jpg
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466693/640/3466693.jpg
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466694/640/3466694.jpg
http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466695/640/3466695.jpg
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/3466697/640/3466697.jpg
Flood May 18th, 2010, 11:52 AM ^^ Great pics. Thanks Pule.
Puls, do you think Westgate is big enough and well equipped enough to handle it?
I like it because its nice and close to Main St, Newtown and the "nicer" parts of the city but i reckon it'll have to handle between 10000 and 20000 people in 3 to 4 hours on match days.
Pule May 18th, 2010, 01:27 PM I don't think it's got enough space but remeber that here's WITS and other Park and ride sites.
Project Director June 26th, 2010, 12:28 PM so far so good.
:cheers:PD.
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