JB or georgetown penang which is the 2nd city in malaysia??? [Archive]

TYW

May 28th, 2003, 11:26 AM

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>how to rank them orderly by their size or population or density??</td></tr>
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i don't think anyone rank cities by density lah!! size & pop. maybe lah</td></tr>
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size & pop which, or rank them together??</td></tr>
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i think saperately. how can you count two things in different catogory

Pablo

May 28th, 2003, 11:28 AM

i know hehehe....so which leh size or pop or some coutry rank it as pop and some rank it as size

TYW

May 28th, 2003, 11:31 AM

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>This is the list of the largest cities in Malaysia according to skyscrapers.com, which apparently uses national censuses (censi?). However, this, I assume, doesn't take metro areas into consideration. Cities like Boston, which has a huge metro area, are ranked lower because the city of Boston itself it relatively small. A majority of the population lives in the suburbs in a city like that. I'm not sure what it's like in Malaysia, but, for what it's worth, here's their list:

1. Kuala Lumpur
2. Penang Island
3. Klang
4. Kajang
5. Petaling Jaya
6. Subang Jaya
7. Ipoh
8. Sandakan
9. Johor Bahru
10. Shah Alam
11. Kelang
12. Kuala Terengganu
13. Kota Bahru
14. Alor Setar
15. Kota Kinabalu
16. Kuantan
17. Taiping
18. Seremban
19. Kuching
20. Bandar Melaka</td></tr>
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that is inaccurate. Kuching couldn't be in 19th Sandakan is not that big and kuala terengganu as well

TYW

May 28th, 2003, 11:33 AM

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>i know hehehe....so which leh size or pop or some coutry rank it as pop and some rank it as size</td></tr>
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dunno lah, i think most of them use pop

william

September 4th, 2003, 11:48 AM

Penang is the second largest city in Malaysia after KL !!!!

According to 2000 census,Penang's metropolitan population is about 1.3million (1,312,220) while JB's metropolitan population
is only 1.0 million(1,081,978).For KL , it's 1,305,792.
However, number of persons per square kilometre in KL is about
5,676......for Penang,1274.....and JB, it's 595 !!

* Metropolitan area of KL(not including those area in Selangor) is 243 km square , Penang 1030 km square and JB 1818 km square.

Pablo

September 4th, 2003, 01:02 PM

acording to u, Penang should be the second largest city in Malaysia

TYW

September 5th, 2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by william

Penang is the second largest city in Malaysia after KL !!!!

According to 2000 census,Penang's metropolitan population is about 1.3million (1,312,220) while JB's metropolitan population
is only 1.0 million(1,081,978).For KL , it's 1,305,792.
However, number of persons per square kilometre in KL is about
5,676......for Penang,1274.....and JB, it's 595 !!

* Metropolitan area of KL(not including those area in Selangor) is 243 km square , Penang 1030 km square and JB 1818 km square.

hi there!! where are u from?? welcome to the forum!

Penang 1030 km square
this means the whole state of Penang is a city?? how cool!!:cool:

Magician

September 5th, 2003, 08:26 PM

So,,, conclusion....

Judging from development, density, population and whatever...

KL, Penang Georgetown and JB Johore are Malaysia's main and well-developed cities.

szehoong

September 8th, 2003, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by TYW

hi there!! where are u from?? welcome to the forum!

this means the whole state of Penang is a city?? how cool!!:cool:

I don't think you should count the whole state....if like that Melaka also count whole state ar? :D

Seberang Perai still got much to be developed! ;)

Pablo

September 8th, 2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by TYW

hi there!! where are u from?? welcome to the forum!

this means the whole state of Penang is a city?? how cool!!:cool:

not a city anymore, is metropolis hahahahaha

TYW

September 8th, 2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

I don't think you should count the whole state....if like that Melaka also count whole state ar? :D

Seberang Perai still got much to be developed! ;)

that's what william said. 1.3 million is the population of the whole state:?

william

September 11th, 2003, 01:08 PM

im agree with u all that whole state of penang is not city....!!

but........1.3 million metropolitan population for PENANG CITY is relevent!

when we count the metropolitan polulation of a city...we are actually considering both pupolation in the city and its metropolitan area.....!! For the case of Penang , its city centre is
Georgetown, its metropolitan area are its satallite town (i.e.
Bayan Baru, Seberang Jaya, Batu Kawan ) and area such as Air Itam,Jelutong, Tanjung Tokong,Butterworth, Bukit Mertajam, Prai
(although some of the area in Seberang Prai is not well-developed). the total popolation in both city centre and its metro area is 1.3 million which is the population of the whole state....
whole state of Penang can be consider as a unit of city !!

we can consider Penang city as a Metropolis becoz it has both city centre and satellite townships(criteria for a metropolis)

similarly for JB....its metropolitan population is 1 million!!! this figure ia actually the population of DISTRICT of JB ( total area of district of JB is 1818km square.....neally twice larger than whole state of Penang). For JB, its city centre is known as ' Daerah Central Johor Bahru', its metro area are area such as Skudai,
Kulai, Pasir Gudang....! the whole district of JB can be consider as a unit of city!!!

thats my explanation !!! hope u all understand.....!!

TYW

September 11th, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by william

im agree with u all that whole state of penang is not city....!!

but........1.3 million metropolitan population for PENANG CITY is relevent!

when we count the metropolitan polulation of a city...we are actually considering both pupolation in the city and its metropolitan area.....!! For the case of Penang , its city centre is
Georgetown, its metropolitan area are its satallite town (i.e.
Bayan Baru, Seberang Jaya, Batu Kawan ) and area such as Air Itam,Jelutong, Tanjung Tokong,Butterworth, Bukit Mertajam, Prai
(although some of the area in Seberang Prai is not well-developed). the total popolation in both city centre and its metro area is 1.3 million which is the population of the whole state....
whole state of Penang can be consider as a unit of city !!

we can consider Penang city as a Metropolis becoz it has both city centre and satellite townships(criteria for a metropolis)

similarly for JB....its metropolitan population is 1 million!!! this figure ia actually the population of DISTRICT of JB ( total area of district of JB is 1818km square.....neally twice larger than whole state of Penang). For JB, its city centre is known as ' Daerah Central Johor Bahru', its metro area are area such as Skudai,
Kulai, Pasir Gudang....! the whole district of JB can be consider as a unit of city!!!

thats my explanation !!! hope u all understand.....!!

oh, OK. i understand

BTW, where are you from

dcb11

September 11th, 2003, 07:42 PM

There is really a simple answer to this question. The second-largest city in Malaysia is definitely Kuala Lumpur. The largest city is, of course, Singapore :D

Problem-solved :)

Pablo

September 11th, 2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by dcb11

There is really a simple answer to this question. The second-largest city in Malaysia is definitely Kuala Lumpur. The largest city is, of course, Singapore :D

Problem-solved :)

huh ?????:? :? :? r u joking with us or u r serious:? :?
Singapore is a country...how come u include Singapore as one of the Malaysia city...???

william

September 12th, 2003, 07:06 AM

Malaysia's top 5 urban area :

1. Metropolitan District of Kuala Lumpur
pop: 4,207,200
area: 4,000 km square
urban centre: Kuala Lumpur
Metropolitan area: Petaling Jaya, Shah Alam, Subang Jaya, Klang,
MSC( Cyberjaya & Putrajaya ), KLIA etc.

2. Metropolitan District of Penang
pop: 1,312,220
area: 1,030 km square
urban centre: Georgetown ( North-east District )
Metropolitan area: Bayan Baru, Seberang Jaya, Batu Kawan
(satellite townships) , Balik Pulau, Butterworth,
Bukit Mertajam, Prai etc.

3. Metropolitan District of Johor Bahru
pop: 1,081,978
area: 1,818 km square
urban centre: Central District of Johor Bahru
Metropolitan area: Skudai, Kulai, Pasir Gudang, Ulu Tiram etc.

4. Ipoh
pop: 703,493
area: 1,958 km square

5. Kuching
pop: 494,109
area: 1,863 km square

dcb11

September 12th, 2003, 07:37 AM

Pablo, I was kidding. I know Singapore isn't part of Malaysia (at least, not anymore). I put the smilies after my sentences so that people would know I'm kidding. Sorry for any confusion.

Pablo

September 12th, 2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by dcb11

Pablo, I was kidding. I know Singapore isn't part of Malaysia (at least, not anymore). I put the smilies after my sentences so that people would know I'm kidding. Sorry for any confusion.

OK...nevermind;) ;)

Pablo

September 12th, 2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by william

Malaysia's top 5 urban area :

1. Metropolitan District of Kuala Lumpur
pop: 4,207,200
area: 4,000 km square
urban centre: Kuala Lumpur
Metropolitan area: Petaling Jaya, Shah Alam, Subang Jaya, Klang,
MSC( Cyberjaya & Putrajaya ), KLIA etc.

2. Metropolitan District of Penang
pop: 1,312,220
area: 1,030 km square
urban centre: Georgetown ( North-east District )
Metropolitan area: Bayan Baru, Seberang Jaya, Batu Kawan
(satellite townships) , Balik Pulau, Butterworth,
Bukit Mertajam, Prai etc.

3. Metropolitan District of Johor Bahru
pop: 1,081,978
area: 1,818 km square
urban centre: Central District of Johor Bahru
Metropolitan area: Skudai, Kulai, Pasir Gudang, Ulu Tiram etc.

4. Ipoh
pop: 703,493
area: 1,958 km square

5. Kuching
pop: 494,109
area: 1,863 km square

wah u include JB and Penang as Metropolis :cry:...

TYW

September 12th, 2003, 07:06 PM

Matt

November 4th, 2003, 11:00 AM

is Penang a city ???

szehoong

November 4th, 2003, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Matt

is Penang a city ???

Unfortunately .... NO.......:(

I can't find the thread about Penang being a city or not......it is quite sometime back.....hmmmmm ;)

ZaHiRnYa???

November 4th, 2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by TYW

This is the list of the largest cities in Malaysia according to skyscrapers.com, which apparently uses national censuses (censi?). However, this, I assume, doesn't take metro areas into consideration. Cities like Boston, which has a huge metro area, are ranked lower because the city of Boston itself it relatively small. A majority of the population lives in the suburbs in a city like that. I'm not sure what it's like in Malaysia, but, for what it's worth, here's their list:

1. Kuala Lumpur
2. Penang Island
3. Klang
4. Kajang
5. Petaling Jaya
6. Subang Jaya
7. Ipoh
8. Sandakan
9. Johor Bahru
10. Shah Alam
11. Kelang
12. Kuala Terengganu
13. Kota Bahru
14. Alor Setar
15. Kota Kinabalu
16. Kuantan
17. Taiping
18. Seremban
19. Kuching
20. Bandar Melaka

that is inaccurate. Kuching couldn't be in 19th Sandakan is not that big and kuala terengganu as well

I trully believe that Taiping is larger than Kuala Trengganu or Kota Bharu;)

nazrey

November 4th, 2003, 03:33 PM

Singapore-Johore Bahru causeway from aircraft

http://www.tropicalisland.de/SIN%20Singapore-Johore%20Bahru%20causeway%20from%20aircraft%20b.jpg

Magician

November 4th, 2003, 04:12 PM

Firstly, I want to scold our useless Penang State Government of never try hard enough to fight for the status that we deserve to have long time ago...

Secondly, now Pak Lah is our Prime Minister... do you guys think it is possible if we could write to him? hahaha... or at least urge our uselss state government to do something... apply for it...

Penang may not be as dense as other states or city... but comparing its development... it is one of the top in Malaysia... probably after KL... she really deserves a nicer name... and not just a TOWN... she deserves to be called a city or metropolis...

No offence to other state's citizenz. Just compare yourself...

JB, Kota Kinabalu (KK), Alor Setar, Shah Alam, Ipoh... among these so called cities, which of these cities' development or density can outnumber Penang's. I can only say that JB is comparable to Penang. Again, I apologize to citizens of other states.

Penang has been declared a city since English Settlement... but, don't know due to what reason, Malaya government took back the status. This is not fair.

So far, of so many webpages as well as tourism promoting websites I have gone into. They only consider Georgetown, Penang as Malaysia's second largest city, some name JB as second. But, from there we can actually know that if JB deserves the name of CITY, why not Penang (not to mention other so called cities).

Thank you.

glenj

November 5th, 2003, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by dcb11
This is the list of the largest cities in Malaysia according to skyscrapers.com, which apparently uses national censuses (censi?). However, this, I assume, doesn't take metro areas into consideration. Cities like Boston, which has a huge metro area, are ranked lower because the city of Boston itself it relatively small. A majority of the population lives in the suburbs in a city like that. I'm not sure what it's like in Malaysia, but, for what it's worth, here's their list:

1. Kuala Lumpur
2. Penang Island
3. Klang
4. Kajang
5. Petaling Jaya
6. Subang Jaya
7. Ipoh
8. Sandakan
9. Johor Bahru
10. Shah Alam
11. Kelang
12. Kuala Terengganu
13. Kota Bahru
14. Alor Setar
15. Kota Kinabalu
16. Kuantan
17. Taiping
18. Seremban
19. Kuching
20. Bandar Melaka

Wait a second.. Sandakan is ranked ABOVE Johor Bahru AND even Kota Kinabalu? Hhmmm ... incredible! I don't think it's accurate though :D

I think if the ranking was to be based on the number of highrises as the criteria, definitely Penang (as an island-citystate) would be number 2.

Another observation: if you were to consider Singapore CITY itself (as opposed to Singapore as an island-country), based on population itself, Singapore would rank quite low simply because a significant part of the population actually resides not within the CITY but in the suburbs. I guess an interesting question would be: where does the "city" perimeter end and the suburbs begin. THere have been calls to increase residential development within Singapore's CBD because the place appears like a ghost town at night and on weekends.

THT-SJ22

November 5th, 2003, 05:14 PM

Wah, JB from the ground looks like there is a nice cluster of high-rises...

But how come from the air, it seems so few skyscrapers? JB would have look much nicer if the whole Tebrau Highway is lined with tall blocks all the way from Holiday Plaza, past Grand Continental-Metropolis Tower, then the Pacific Mall (still abandoned?), and ending at the City Center (City Square, to be precise)... That would make a nice view, something like a tiny Jakarta... :)

Btw, when was this photo taken? How come don't see the MAA Tower next to New York Hotel?

As for that list, how come Kajang is bigger than PJ? Cannot be what... PJ has a far larger sq area than KJ and Klang, if you include Kota Damansara lah... That is considered part of the PJ Council's jurisdiction already... And what is the difference between Klang and Kelang?

Also, is Sandakan larger than JB and the rest of the other cities below it? Then how about Miri? I went to Miri earlier this year and it is definitely a nice medium-sized city... Much larger than Taiping and Kajang...

Magician

November 6th, 2003, 02:34 PM

Ya.... JB's skyline is nice from causeway also....

but frankly speaking... JB doesn't really have a lot of highrises. If really want to compare to Penang, Penang island would have more, just that Penang's highrises are more scattered... not like JB... all cramped in one area....

This is what I think ehhehehe

Pablo

November 6th, 2003, 06:07 PM

i really hope that i can c the JB skyline myself. In my opiion JB looks like KL on the street-level hehehe. although i never been to JB, but i'm sure that Penang has more skyscrapers than JB ;)

TYW

November 7th, 2003, 03:49 PM

city or not city, Penang is still more developed that many of those "cities". imagine a town more developed than a city. maybe one day Penang will the the world's biggest, most advanced and developed town

Pablo

November 7th, 2003, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by TYW

city or not city, Penang is still more developed that many of those "cities". imagine a town more developed than a city. maybe one day Penang will the the world's biggest, most advanced and developed town

if a town was well developed, it should be declare as a city...

TYW

November 7th, 2003, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Pablo

if a town was well developed, it should be declare as a city...

but they don't seem to wanna declare it as a city. what to do?? throw bom ar??

Andrew Goh

February 21st, 2004, 10:39 AM

Yo, help me out~ I was arguing with my JB friend today at a bubble tea house about this. I said Penang is the second largest in Malaysia, but he insisted JB is~ So what do you guys think?

hypermount

February 21st, 2004, 11:07 AM

Penang is dense and for some reason...it's not officially recognised as a city!!!! Was a city during British administration.

baqthier

February 21st, 2004, 12:45 PM

Penang is 2nd largest ;) 3rd is Klang..4th Ipoh...5th PJ/ JB...not sure..

TYW

February 21st, 2004, 12:58 PM

what is he asking?? population?? area??

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 01:27 PM

i think it is penang...but wonder have government approval tak???

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 01:41 PM

GUARANTEE Penang :okay: JB is not that bog lah....both area and population. ;)

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

GUARANTEE Penang :okay: JB is not that bog lah....both area and population. ;)

i belive u r right???Do u know y...

U had been to those city...so i trust u;) :D

Andrew Goh

February 21st, 2004, 02:28 PM

I think what he meant was considering both JB and Georgetown(Not Penang since the whole island is a state)... What is JB and Penang population?

Andrew Goh

February 21st, 2004, 02:31 PM

I think Pablo and TYW will say Penang no matter what~ since they both are Penang No. 1 supporters :D :D :D

Dr. Khor should award them for promoting Penang :D

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

I think Pablo and TYW will say Penang no matter what~ since they both are Penang No. 1 supporters :D :D :D

Dr. Khor should award them for promoting Penang :D

HAHAHA..u r right..no matter how..The world ''Penang'' come out from our mouth first..of course penang is the second largest city in Malaysia...of course penang is 1 of the best skyline in Malaysia..hehehehe :D :D :D No doubt...we stay in Penang what...;)

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 02:42 PM

Penang have 1.3 million ppl:)

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 02:45 PM

Oh ya the population in Georgetown is 414082 in 1998..but i think it is increasing liao..coz the area of georgetown is getting bigger and bigger;)

TYW

February 21st, 2004, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

I think what he meant was considering both JB and Georgetown(Not Penang since the whole island is a state)... What is JB and Penang population?

there was a forumer that told us the whole Penang is considered as a metro. so, 1.5 million??:D

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

I think what he meant was considering both JB and Georgetown(Not Penang since the whole island is a state)... What is JB and Penang population?

You must count Penang as a whole as Georgetown are is just too small. If you count like that then Kuching also more than Georgetown liao loh! :D

BTW I dun count Butterworth cos it is across the sea! :colgate:

Andrew Goh

February 21st, 2004, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by TYW

there was a forumer that told us the whole Penang is considered as a metro. so, 1.5 million??:D

What if my friend said the whole Johor state is their metro? :D :D

TYW

February 21st, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

What if my friend said the whole Johor state is their metro? :D :D

that means he lives on Mars:D

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

What if my friend said the whole Johor state is their metro? :D :D

Wah....he win liao loh!

I din say the whole of Penang state mah.....I just say the isoland mah.....

If he wants to compare state he kalah with Selangor liao loh.......:D

BTW if he said the entire Johor....just tell him that the towns are not continuous but the skyline from Georgetown is continous till Batu Feringgi mah ;)

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 03:36 PM

sorry double posts

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

Wah....he win liao loh!

I din say the whole of Penang state mah.....I just say the isoland mah.....

If he wants to compare state he kalah with Selangor liao loh.......:D

BTW if he said the entire Johor....just tell him that the towns are not continuous but the skyline from Georgetown is continous till Batu Feringgi mah ;)

wah u can be a very great debater liao:D

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Pablo

wah u can be a very great debater liao:D

nolah.....me just giving ordonary facts only lah.......anyway I used to be a school debater mah! :D

TYW

February 21st, 2004, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

nolah.....me just giving ordonary facts only lah.......anyway I used to be a school debater mah! :D

i would have guessed. u r a good debater:D

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

nolah.....me just giving ordonary facts only lah.......anyway I used to be a school debater mah! :D

no wonder u r expert in ''boom'' ppl lah..hehehe:lol:

TYW

February 21st, 2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Pablo

no wonder u r expert in ''boom'' ppl lah..hehehe:lol:

"boom" untill almost 5k posts already:D

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by TYW

"boom" untill almost 5k posts already:D

You din 'boom' people also got 5k mah! :D

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by TYW

i would have guessed. u r a good debater:D

nolah....I din even win any debate also :(

Some peopl their english terror-terror wan lah...how to fight? :cry:

Pablo

February 21st, 2004, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

nolah....I din even win any debate also :(

Some peopl their english terror-terror wan lah...how to fight? :cry:

just tell...yr english is too terror..u r not suitable to fight with me..u may live now...NEXT...:)

szehoong

February 21st, 2004, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Pablo

just tell...yr english is too terror..u r not suitable to fight with me..u may live now...NEXT...:)

haha....you should see The Star Debate live! These form 4 students punya English....me now also kalah man! :D

Andrew Goh

February 21st, 2004, 10:35 PM

:D :D :D

I think Penang is second largest city because the whole island is its suburbs. They're not so far away too, within an hour drive. Most Penang population are Penangers themselves(Well, some Kedah boys & girls too). But many of the JB population are Singaporeans or people who work in Singapore and they only go to JB to sleep~ :D :D

szehoong

February 22nd, 2004, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

:D :D :D

I think Penang is second largest city because the whole island is its suburbs. They're not so far away too, within an hour drive. Most Penang population are Penangers themselves(Well, some Kedah boys & girls too). But many of the JB population are Singaporeans or people who work in Singapore and they only go to JB to sleep~ :D :D

Even if you factor in the 'foreigners' and local citizens.....Penang is still larger! Did you know that most folks in Klang Valley aren't from Klang Valley. You should come to KL during Chinese New Year! The streets are empty!!! :D So KL has a small population? ;)

Pablo

February 22nd, 2004, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

Even if you factor in the 'foreigners' and local citizens.....Penang is still larger! Did you know that most folks in Klang Valley aren't from Klang Valley. You should come to KL during Chinese New Year! The streets are empty!!! :D So KL has a small population? ;)

Wah still remembered during Chinese New Year, all the Bangaladesh, Vitnamis was on holiday and lepak in KL, all the KL road's were crowded with them..they slept at the entrance of KLCC, cross road without notice the cars ...KL dosen't looks like KL...it looks like a very very very ''CHEAP'' city...:rant: :bleep:i feel so sad when i saw this incident from the TV News:cry:

hypermount

February 22nd, 2004, 03:28 PM

Loafing aroung in big groups...should be okay if few people but in big groups sure will look intimidating one. I heard about the Vietnamese dudes from the news also. But good lah got security watch all the time in that place.

February 22nd, 2004, 04:37 PM

Can you all tell me ALL the Population of all States Capital (include KL, putrajaya and Labuan) :?

TYW

February 23rd, 2004, 06:16 AM

Andrew Goh

February 23rd, 2004, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by TYW

this is invasion!!!:D

LOL. Maybe send them all to Penang instead :D :D :D :D

szehoong

February 23rd, 2004, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

LOL. Maybe send them all to Penang instead :D :D :D :D

I agree! :okay:

szehoong

February 23rd, 2004, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Pablo

Wah still remembered during Chinese New Year, all the Bangaladesh, Vitnamis was on holiday and lepak in KL, all the KL road's were crowded with them..they slept at the entrance of KLCC, cross road without notice the cars ...KL dosen't looks like KL...it looks like a very very very ''CHEAP'' city...:rant: :bleep:i feel so sad when i saw this incident from the TV News:cry:

I SAW this with MY OWN EYES! It was during Hari Raya! The whole KLCC are filled with Indonesians, Vietnamese, Bangladeshis and Myanmese.......

They all swarmed Suria like their own house man.........they dun line up properly for food.....shouting here and there etc......And for the first time in my working life at KLCC.....I had to pack back to my office to eat! :rant:

Actually not only during public holidays they do this but also Sundays.......but worst on public holidays. :bleep:

So for the past couple of Sundays, KLCC management chased all of em from the entrances and then use the cones to bar anyone from nearing the Phiharmonic entrance - so now no more of em there. Hope they dun come back! :guns1:

TYW

February 23rd, 2004, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Andrew Goh

LOL. Maybe send them all to Penang instead :D :D :D :D

yeah, and we'll send them back by boat:D

TYW

February 23rd, 2004, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

I agree! :okay:

but i dun really agree;)

TYW

February 23rd, 2004, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by szehoong

I SAW this with MY OWN EYES! It was during Hari Raya! The whole KLCC are filled with Indonesians, Vietnamese, Bangladeshis and Myanmese.......

They all swarmed Suria like their own house man.........they dun line up properly for food.....shouting here and there etc......And for the first time in my working life at KLCC.....I had to pack back to my office to eat! :rant:

Actually not only during public holidays they do this but also Sundays.......but worst on public holidays. :bleep:

So for the past couple of Sundays, KLCC management chased all of em from the entrances and then use the cones to bar anyone from nearing the Phiharmonic entrance - so now no more of em there. Hope they dun come back! :guns1:

yeah, chase all away, spoil KL's image:guns1:

hypermount

February 23rd, 2004, 05:56 PM

bump

ZaHiRnYa???

February 24th, 2004, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by TYW

but they don't seem to wanna declare it as a city. what to do?? throw bom ar??

Maybe you should elect yourself as the Menteri Besar of Penang and then make a self declaration to make Penang a megalopolis. :D

TYW

February 24th, 2004, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by ZaHiRnYa???

Maybe you should elect yourself as the Menteri Besar of Penang and then make a self declaration to make Penang a megalopolis. :D

if i can do that, how nice lah

ZaHiRnYa???

February 24th, 2004, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by TYW

if i can do that, how nice lah

Work hard and then make it happen. Probably at that time you can declare Georgetown as the capital city of Malaysia :D

szehoong

February 26th, 2004, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by ZaHiRnYa???

Maybe you should elect yourself as the Menteri Besar of Penang and then make a self declaration to make Penang a megalopolis. :D

Hahaha......self vote ah? That would be dictatorship liao! :D

Megalopolis? Not in a very long time! :D ....anyway I'll wait for TYW becoming the CM first! :lol:

ZaHiRnYa???

February 26th, 2004, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by szehoong

Hahaha......self vote ah? That would be dictatorship liao! :D

Megalopolis? Not in a very long time! :D ....anyway I'll wait for TYW becoming the CM first! :lol:

I just want to satisy his ambitions only mah :D

TYW

February 26th, 2004, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by ZaHiRnYa???

Work hard and then make it happen. Probably at that time you can declare Georgetown as the capital city of Malaysia :D

i dunwanna be in the politics lah although i like to hear stories about it:D

ZaHiRnYa???

February 26th, 2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by TYW

i dunwanna be in the politics lah although i like to hear stories about it:D

Then..it will be hard for you to materialise you dream. Dream of Penang becoming a megalopolis :D

TYW

February 26th, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by ZaHiRnYa???

Then..it will be hard for you to materialise you dream. Dream of Penang becoming a megalopolis :D

city or not city, metropolis or not metropolis, megalopolis orr not, as long as Penang is still beautiful and a nice place to live, it'll be OK;)

szehoong

March 1st, 2004, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by TYW

yeah, chase all away, spoil KL's image:guns1:

Yesterday I went to KLCC and saw quite a few of em still sticking around but not as many as before. I have no problem of em walking aropund KLCC but I dun like em having 'picnic' and sit in large groups in front of the Twin Towers :rant:

xeoc

March 5th, 2004, 07:26 PM

yoyo.. i am johorean live in JB..i support JB...!!

compare wat?population? if population dont know lah.....no accurate info abount it...but from economic i think is JB(that government say "second largest") hai...hard to define...area..population?economic?

*JB living cost is top 1 in malaysia.even higher than KL.....if only work in JB u will die for stavation. so many jb orang got singapore PR(permanent resident).for example my brother everyday go and back from singapore..salary 1800SD after back become rich man..
*2.2...my second brother everyday go and back for study....

samson

April 12th, 2004, 11:07 AM

i think this issue is very hard to explain also.
some ppls say george town is the 2nd city in malaysia
on the other hand ,some ppls town me now
jb is the 2nd city in malaysia.
i very confuse now n got interster know about this.
except that who can gv the ranking of malaysia city?
i also wanna know how malacca rank in malaysia.
malacca is 1 of the deveplove faster city in malaysia.
i think KL is 1city
2,3 -jb or pg
4-ipoh
5-malacca or kuching right?
jz my opinion only,hehe...

xeoc

April 12th, 2004, 04:58 PM

u mean depend on population?or economic??

Pablo

April 12th, 2004, 05:32 PM

:cry:..we had talk bout this issue in this forum billion of time liao:cry:

Judge from the density Penang ranked 2nd.
If population Johor ranked 2nd.
I think the population in Georgetown is more than Johor Bahru.
err...economic..eemmm..i think Penang rank at 2nd..

Andrew Goh

April 12th, 2004, 07:17 PM

Kevinkhoo1986

April 12th, 2004, 08:08 PM

my ranking is.....
1)Kuala Lumpur
2)Penang
3)Johor Bahru
4)Petaling Jaya
(Based on economy)

Magician

April 13th, 2004, 07:00 AM

Why not we send an email to pak Lah and ask him about this issue.....

Jugding from population wise... Georgetown City may not be as populated
as JB city. However, if we count the population of the whole state.
Penang state might be higher populated that Johor State. So, it depends
on whether they count in terms of City or State (my opinion). That is
also why Penang has higher density coz the state size is small.

All these are just my opinion... hehehe

tomkat

April 14th, 2004, 05:15 AM

Actually in term of population, both Penang state and Georgetown rank lower than Johor and Johor Bahru, respectively.

In fact, if we talk about total population in urban area, JB ranks second after KL and follow with Klang, Ipoh and PJ. Georgetown is not even in the top 10.

But if we consider GDP as the basis, then the order would be significantly different.

Surprisingly, despite Georgetown heavy economics activities, not many people opt to live in its urban area. I wonder why.

Magician

April 14th, 2004, 10:15 AM

This is because the other areas have better scenes... views

Pablo

April 14th, 2004, 02:09 PM

Nah~ Johore Bahru has around 700,000. Georgetown has only 200,000, even lose to Alor Setar lah(204,000) :D:D:D

Georgetown population is 414082 in year 1998 lah :wallbash:

Magician

April 14th, 2004, 03:02 PM

CONCLUSION.... --> no point arguing... because no one knows the actual answer...

TYW

April 21st, 2004, 12:38 PM

this discussion again??

:ancient: :ancient: :ancient: :ancient:

i think i'll agree with magician, no one knows the answer. in fact, everytime we have this discussion, everyone ended up more confused :bash:

Magician

April 22nd, 2004, 06:10 AM

Maybe the real answer is Georgetown and JB both are same...

TYW

April 22nd, 2004, 09:43 AM

Maybe the real answer is Georgetown and JB both are same...

trying to confuse ppl again?? :jk:

Irwin

May 6th, 2004, 10:55 AM

According to Malaysia 2000 national census, bellow are 5 largest urban area in malaysia

Metropolitan District of Kuala Lumpur ( WMKL)
pop : 4,207,200
area: 4000 km2
urban centre: Kuala Lumpur
Metropolitan area :Petalling Jaya, Shah Alam , Subang Jaya, Klang, MSC ( Putrajaya

Irwin

May 6th, 2004, 11:12 AM

cyberjaya) & KLIA
density : 1052

Metropolitan District of Penang
pop : 1,312,220
area: 1030 km2
urban centre : Georgetown
Metropolitan area : Bayan Baru , Seberang Jaya, Prai , Bukit Mertajam, Bayan Lepas
( Penang Island & Seberang Prai )
Density: 1274

Metropolitan District of Johor Bahru
pop: 1,081,978
area: 1818 km2
urban centre : Johor Bahru Central District ( DCJB)
metropolitan area : Skudai, Kulai, Pasir Gudang, Ulu Tiram
( District of JB)
density: 592

Ipoh
pop: 703,493
area: 1,985 km2
density : 359

Kuching
pop: 494,109
area: 1,863 km2
density: 265

pop=population
In m'sia, area with density >100 ppl per km2 is considered urban area.From here u can
see that KL , Penang, JB are ' big ' cities of m'sia especially KL & Penang which has more than 1000.

regarding Malaysia 2nd largest city.....forumer u decide yourself base on the information above.

Kevinkhoo1986

May 6th, 2004, 12:00 PM

lets ranked it using GDP Percapita income ok?? perhaps it is much more accurate. It is so hard to find any sources regarding to the GDP percapita for malaysian state in the web. Anybody have it? :?

Kevinkhoo1986

May 6th, 2004, 12:02 PM

personally i have been to both of the city. In my opinion, i think JB downtown area have a better skyline than Georgetown. But georgetown have more skyscrapers in its suburbs area. But i am still with PENANG!!! Penang boleh! :bash:

Magician

May 6th, 2004, 02:07 PM

I do agree with Kevin... this is because for JB's skyline, the skyscrapers are more centralised. Whereas for Penang, the skyscrapers are more scattered around. Judging from the amount of buildings both cities have, if we look at JB... away from JB downtown... basically we can hardly see any highrise... but you can find highrise in mostly whole Penang... this is just personal opinion... heheheheh CHEERS!

argory

May 6th, 2004, 03:18 PM

argory

May 6th, 2004, 03:25 PM

And this doesn’t include the several hidden skyscrapers along Jalan Tebrau, Jaybee’s Jalan Sultan Ismail if I may say (quite a few hotels). It has a good number of highways also, built and under construction giving it the “big city” sensation.

Centrilium

May 6th, 2004, 10:31 PM

Sadly,Ipoh was the second town to be declared city in Malaysia after KL.However today it has lagged far beyond the other cities in terms of development.In terms of area the Kinta Valley is just as big as the Klang Valley.One day I hope we should see something similar to the Japanese Kanto and Kansai metro when both are fully developed.

Kevinkhoo1986

May 6th, 2004, 10:41 PM

A lot of historical buildings in Georgetown!! I think that is the reason why we could hardly find any land to build a new towers in there anymore. One more thing, penang roads are very congested!! :D but the driver is not as fierceful as the driver in KL.

Markland

May 7th, 2004, 07:02 AM

I think there are a lot of infrastructure improvements which need to be done in JB. Even though there are quite a few wide roads and skyscrapers in the city, the city definitely does not have a good reputation like what George Town has. You know what I mean. I wonder what has happened to the Johor Perdana project.

Due to the economic impact directly from Singapore, JB is a sleepless city that can be very vibrant. Anyway, George Town should regain its free port status, that will definitely boost the economy in the area.

TYW

May 7th, 2004, 06:45 PM

WELCOME TO THE FORUM, Irwin!

where did u get that info?? i always couldn't find such info

Pablo

May 8th, 2004, 05:58 PM

Penang may have a bigger population than JB, but I have to admit that the JB skyline is prettier, especially when viewed from the Singapore side of the causeway.

Maybe it’s because the buildings are mainly commercial towers.

I haven't been to JB b4..but after viewing many JB downtown pics, i personaly think that Penang skyline is prettier than JB's. Penang skyline definitely bigger than JB skyline :) It is true that JB downtown have many commercial towers but in Penang's downtown most of the commercial office r low rise, they used the pre-war houses as thier office, this is y Penang's downtown do not have many high-rises.

Pablo

May 8th, 2004, 06:01 PM

Magician

May 10th, 2004, 06:50 AM

So... I do hope Penang can re-gain its free port since Penang stands a great location as well as opportunities to compete with Thailand... while JB can concentrate on his all time rival Singapore...

Xfactor

May 10th, 2004, 09:35 AM

I haven't been to JB b4..but after viewing many JB downtown pics, i personaly think that Penang skyline is prettier than JB's. Penang skyline definitely bigger than JB skyline :) It is true that JB downtown have many commercial towers but in Penang's downtown most of the commercial office r low rise, they used the pre-war houses as thier office, this is y Penang's downtown do not have many high-rises.

Penang's skyline is definitely better than JB's as it has more high rises. :)

Magician

May 13th, 2004, 04:12 AM

Since we cannot decide which city is the second largest...

How about which of these 2 has most skyscrapers???

baqthier

August 3rd, 2004, 06:27 PM

Penang has more skyscrapers... maybe on average JB is taller when it comes to office skyscrapers.

weilene

August 6th, 2004, 10:51 PM

I think we dont have to argue anymore, because jb is the second largest city in malaysia lar. I travel around jb and penang b4, but penang is far too small to compare, really cannot compare lah. Why not we wait for another 5 to 10 years and see what happen?? Actually at that time we will know even clear lah. hehe

weilene

August 6th, 2004, 11:00 PM

Penang's skyline is definitely better than JB's as it has more high rises. :)
Yeah, jb has mixtures of ugly shop houses and tall commercial buildings especially along ah fook street. I remember last year Dr mahathir said when he visited jb, he said jb is the second city after kl leh with the fastest growing population compare to other cities in malaysia.

baqthier

December 30th, 2004, 08:45 PM

I think Jalan Tan Ngiok Nee is now well renovatted..I wish there are pics :(

Lastresorter

January 13th, 2005, 10:46 PM

weilene

February 23rd, 2005, 01:46 AM

Irwin

March 4th, 2005, 10:48 AM

population of penang in 2005 is estimated to reach 1.5 million !

Magician

March 4th, 2005, 11:01 AM

I agree with what you said, Lastresorter ...

argory

March 5th, 2005, 05:43 AM

No offense, in terms of city scape, Penang is so much better... JB looks just like a... huge mess... I often think KL was bad enough (well, KL has certainly improved alot and the cityscape is getting alot better)... but, JB is just erm... especially with its squeaky clean neighbour next door for comparison. Again, no offense, my foreign friends love Penang & KL, but none of them is impressed with JB. Plus, JB really need to do something to its malls... JB ppl deserve something like 1-Utama or Gurney Plaza; and not megamalls selling vcds. And please clean up the JB side of the Causeway. The water at JB side of Causeway stinks (based on personal experience). The JB custom facilities should also improve (I was once there when the officers had to lit the candles, *roll eyes*). JB ppl should also stop telling their foreign friends that JB is no different from Singapore (face it, our neighbour's city is beyond our league. Our foreign friends will get to know the truth when they travel to both cities). The crime rate in JB (need I say more?)!! And JB's biggest problem is, there is NO attraction. A big round of applause for anyone who can suggest what I can actually do in JB, as a tourist. If all the above mentioned are to be improved, I'm sure JB will be a real great city that I'll often visit, and not just passing by.

Wow, you’re really hard on JB and her people. It is really not as bad as you put it out to be. No offence, but your views are rather unpleasant too.

I agree with weilene. JB is a developing city with great potential. Typical crime, congestion and cleanliness issues are temporary side effects of every developing city. Besides, no one is ever going to let JB rot. There are a number of development plans for the city…you just have to look with an open mind.

No JB attraction? How about the thousands of Singaporeans who flock in constant droves to JB during the weekends? Surely it’s the currency, you’d say, but a lot come for recreation too. If this already brings in large tourist dollars, then JB has less to worry than other Malaysian cities, except for additional touristy installations of course. It’s also a good place to earn a living and you’ll really appreciate the place over time.

There are KL-rated, good shopping centers (like Plaza Pelangi and City Square or even Angsana). What’s wrong with legal vcds in a shopping center?

JB or Penang, comparing the two is often complicated with severe hometown pride. While doing so, it’s perhaps important to remember that both are Malaysian and uncharitable criticism should be avoided where possible.

xeoc

March 8th, 2005, 07:36 PM

http://www.kpkt.gov.my/buletin/jkt1/pics/rajah4.gif
According official data MBJB has highest pupulation in top ten local authorities and exceed MPPP during 1991-97.

Ranking in order of population size (1997)
http://www.kpkt.gov.my/buletin/jkt1/pics/rajah4.gif
Blue color represent 1991 dada, pink color represent 1997 data.
we can find that during 1991 MPPP is second largest local authorities, and that time MBJB is fourth even lower that Ipoh.

But 1997 MBJB become top one population local authorities excluding DBKL(wilayah persekutuan kuala lumpur)

*Covers 96 LA in Peninsula Malaysia (excluding DBKL)
MPPP:MP Pulau Pinang
MBJB:MB Johor Bahru
MPSA:MP Shah Alam
MPKl:MP Klang
MPAJ:MP Ampang Jaya
MDJBT:MD Johor Bahru Tengah
MPPJ:MP Petaling Jaya
MPMBB:MP Melaka Bandaraya Bersejarah
MPKj:MP Kajang MPSP:
MP Seberang Prai
MBI:MB Ipoh
MPSJ:MP Subang Jaya
MPSPt:MP Sungai Petani

TYW

March 9th, 2005, 09:06 AM

i posted this in another thread:

In total, there were 148 local authorities at the time of the 2000 Census and consisted of 3 City Halls, 3 City Councils, 25 Municipal Councils, 112 District Councils, 2 Town Boards, 1 Rural District Council, 1 Development Board and 1 Local Authority.

Among the City Halls, Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur had the highest population with 1,305,792 persons followed by Dewan Bandaraya Kota Kinabalu (355,435 persons) and Dewan Bandaraya Kuching Utara (152,475 persons).

At City Council level, Majlis Bandaraya Ipoh had the highest population (529,906 persons) followed by Majlis Bandaraya Johor Bahru (404,780 persons) and Majlis Bandaraya Kuching Selatan (163,134 persons).

Besides that, the Municipal Councils that had the largest population counts were Majlis Perbandaran (MP) Seberang Perai (655,711 persons), MP Pulau Pinang (575,498 persons), MP Klang (562,239 persons), MP Kajang (506,526 persons), MP Ampang Jaya (478,613 persons), MP Subang Jaya (437,121 persons) and MP Petaling Jaya (432,619 persons).

source: http://www.statistics.gov.my/

szehoong

October 25th, 2005, 11:53 AM

bump! :D

aen

October 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM

globocentric

October 25th, 2005, 07:49 PM

Penang certainly outnumbers JB in the number of skyscrapers. JB might have one concentrated block in the middle and that's all they have basically. Penang has more than 250 block of builiding more than 20 storey high and i highly doubt that JB has more than 50 although the concentration of high rise in Penang is more dispersed. However, JB only has a row in the city center not the suburbs unlike Penang

Pablo

November 2nd, 2005, 05:12 AM

TYW

November 2nd, 2005, 05:29 AM

aiyor...why do ppl care who's 2nd and who's 3rd ah ?? i for one wouldn't want my hometown to join the race of development. i'm from ipoh...and i want a serene and relaxing place everytime i balik kampung, not another KL or Penang. it's a sanctuary i treasure a lot.

it is not that we want to show off our cities or anything. it is for the sake of knowledge and knowing the country better. you don't want to talk to a foreigner and telling him " errrr....2nd largest city in Malaysia?? no idea??";)

brain_failure

November 2nd, 2005, 01:15 PM

i hv been to penang n i really like the city. I hv not been to jb but i beliv jb is as big as penang.

Subangite

November 2nd, 2005, 01:22 PM

Penang I think! As a city second to KL.

bobdikl

November 3rd, 2005, 02:17 AM

from the newspaper report, penang has more than 1 thousand high-rises..i guess they mean the building which is more than 10 stories :)

I was amazed to discover 'thousand' of high rises in penang from above on my return to KL via penang from London 2 years back.

globocentric

November 3rd, 2005, 03:29 AM

JB second biggest city in m'sia? yes it's undisputably correct. no one is going to dispute that Penang cannot expand because it's an island. JB has plenty of land and it can get bigger and bigger. However, size doesnt matter. A huge city is not necessarily the most developed. JB is bigger than Penang now but it's less developed than Penang. Look at Nairobi and Lagos. They're much bigger cities than KL but can they take pride in that?

szehoong

November 3rd, 2005, 09:01 PM

I am merging this thread with the other thread on the '2nd city thingy' soon. (when I get back to KL) ;)

Subangite

November 4th, 2005, 04:26 AM

no one is going to dispute that Penang cannot expand because it's an island.

I'm disputing this!

Penang can expand, there's the other side of the island which is relatively undeleoped. After this, the island can still expand vertically (taller and taller buildings) and horizontally, via land reclamation. Look at Singapore for example, there will always be ways to expand.

cooolboi

November 7th, 2005, 03:05 AM

yung85

November 7th, 2005, 03:07 AM

livin standard of JB is not as low as u think.....

aleemon

November 7th, 2005, 07:40 AM

Georgetown Skyline
http://www.pbase.com/hildaloong/image/36439487.jpg

JB Skyline
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/vsgan/Johor%20Bahru/IMG_0937_Johor_Bahru.jpg

Blue_Sky

November 7th, 2005, 07:45 AM

Both city and skyline are great
but JB have more potential since its located in a golden triangle Singapore-JB-Batam

*just my 2 cents

cooolboi

November 7th, 2005, 09:16 PM

Both city and skyline are great
but JB have more potential since its located in a golden triangle Singapore-JB-Batam

*just my 2 cents

Yeah, and it is still expanding like hell. Very big, every year, something change, few new buildings come popping up out of no where.

globocentric

November 8th, 2005, 05:37 AM

To be frank, JB skyline is no different to Surabaya. Penang has more potential because of land scarcity issues. Furthermore, Singapore and JB are too close for comfort.

argory

November 8th, 2005, 04:10 PM

To be frank, JB skyline is no different to Surabaya. Penang has more potential because of land scarcity issues. Furthermore, Singapore and JB are too close for comfort.

Why do you say “too close for comfort”?

Anyway, Surabaya is a lot bigger and denser, but I believe JB has a much better skyline. There are some towers in Surabaya, although not as many as JB. Still, I found Surabaya to be fantastic, especially their East Javanese cuisine.;)

Skyline wise, I think JB is second after KL and it’s not so much about quantity, but the way the towers seem to arrange themselves. It has the variation, colour, height and cluster of a very nice downtown skyline. The rest of JB however is mainly flat, HUGE and sprawling.

aleemon

November 9th, 2005, 07:39 AM

globocentric

November 9th, 2005, 07:59 AM

Quantity or quality, Penang is up and above of all cities in Malaysia.
Don't mention JB, Penang skyline could easily trounce all other second cities in South East Asia. And that includes Surabaya, Cebu, Chiang Mai..or even the capitals of Saigon, Pnom Penh, Yangon etc

http://penangpage.com/gurneydr/gdrive108.jpg
http://penangpage.com/gurneydr/gdrive107.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/4848northam22.jpg
http://www.asiaexplorers.com/penang/gurney.jpg
http://penangpage.com/gurneydr/gdrive106.jpg

You are absolutely right. There is a poll in the city vs city on the best skyline of non capital cities for South East Asia. Penang won the poll comfortably. Most of the buildings in that JB photo look old and most of them are also under 10 stories.

Magician

November 9th, 2005, 12:18 PM

wah... war!!!

Blue_Sky

November 9th, 2005, 12:27 PM

Why do you say “too close for comfort”?

Anyway, Surabaya is a lot bigger and denser, but I believe JB has a much better skyline. There are some towers in Surabaya, although not as many as JB. Still, I found Surabaya to be fantastic, especially their East Javanese cuisine.;)

Skyline wise, I think JB is second after KL and it’s not so much about quantity, but the way the towers seem to arrange themselves. It has the variation, colour, height and cluster of a very nice downtown skyline. The rest of JB however is mainly flat, HUGE and sprawling.
I think JB skyline is denser than Surabaya since i know very well Surabaya have a well spread skycrapers.

Penang wins in term of quantity of skycrapers
JB IMO have more offices skycrapers

but both of them deserve to be inline in term of second city after KL

argory

November 9th, 2005, 02:47 PM

I think JB skyline is denser than Surabaya since i know very well Surabaya have a well spread skycrapers.

That’s true Blue_Sky, what I meant to say is Surabaya in general seemed more densely populated than JB. :)

argory

November 9th, 2005, 03:13 PM

Most of the buildings in that JB photo look old and most of them are also under 10 stories.

Indeed, but it does fill in the skyline too. This picture of JB is before the skyscraper boom...should be from the early 80's I think.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/argory/SAVE0003.jpg

jlshyang

November 9th, 2005, 07:35 PM

cooolboi

November 10th, 2005, 01:15 AM

globocentric

November 10th, 2005, 05:42 AM

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 11:12 AM

Both city and skyline are great
but JB have more potential since its located in a golden triangle Singapore-JB-Batam

*just my 2 cents

well, Penang is located in the Indonesia-Thailand-Malaysia Growth Triangle (IMT-GT)

http://www.imt-gt.org/

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 11:25 AM

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 11:31 AM

At least 3 of the buildings in there are office towers it's just that they are not clearly visible because most office towers are glass buildings nowadays. There is a few office towers in center Georgetown such as the UMNO builiding, KOMTAR and PSCI. However, this photo only show you the tip of the iceberg when it comes to high rise buildings in Penang. There is another concentration of 30 stories when after you exit the Penang Bridge

FYI, that pic actually show many office buildings. let me make a list:

1. Gurney Hotel & Tower
2. Northam Tower
3. Northam All Suite Hotel (about half of the building is an office)
4. MBF Tower
5. BHL Tower
6. Sheraton Hotel (the glassy part you see is the office wing)
7. Island Plaza Tower (IP Tower)

aBe

November 10th, 2005, 11:47 AM

Wah..TYW the Penang Boy has spoken. :)

Me agree with TYW.
You're good in taking pics too man!!

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 03:31 PM

Wah..TYW the Penang Boy has spoken. :)

Me agree with TYW.
You're good in taking pics too man!!

They don't call me the No 1 Penang supporter for nothing! LOL :lol:

i'm not really good at taking pics actually. only a few of my pics turn out acceptable:D

jlshyang

November 10th, 2005, 04:02 PM

nah..it's ok to say anything! this is just a discussion;)

i disagree with you that only office towers shows beauty. Panama City and Gold Coast skylines are mostly consisted of residentials but they have very beautiful skylines.

about economy, condominiums does show something. it shows that the people of a city is wealthy enough to own an expensive condo. when condos are expensive, you can expect landed properties to be even more expensive. infact, office towers doesn't nescessarily show stong economy. look at those European cities, they don't have many office towers but they are stronger in terms of economy than JB or Penang.

BTW, Penang does have many office buildings as well!! i think Penang might have more than JB! the only thing is that the percentage of office buildings in JB is more than in Penang;)

Well said TYW, hahaha.

The amount of high end condominium shows that Penang is financially sound that is why there is a constant demand though they are expensive. TYW, next monday free ah? Wanna go out for photography session? Unleash the Gold Coast, Seri Emas and the new greenish condominium clusters and also the E-Park, N-Park, SunnyVille etc clusters + The View which is nearby and the other Ivory Properties projects, lol. Can't wait. How?

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 04:38 PM

Well said TYW, hahaha.

The amount of high end condominium shows that Penang is financially sound that is why there is a constant demand though they are expensive. TYW, next monday free ah? Wanna go out for photography session? Unleash the Gold Coast, Seri Emas and the new greenish condominium clusters and also the E-Park, N-Park, SunnyVille etc clusters + The View which is nearby and the other Ivory Properties projects, lol. Can't wait. How?

afternoon will be ok i guess. i have extra physics classes in the morning. (and that goes for Pablo as well:D)

er....i'll confirm say...by Saturday or Sunday. ok?? not too late right?

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 04:39 PM

BTW, your name is Jason right??

err...post 1 pic of you lah:D

jlshyang

November 10th, 2005, 04:47 PM

afternoon will be ok i guess. i have extra physics classes in the morning. (and that goes for Pablo as well:D)

er....i'll confirm say...by Saturday or Sunday. ok?? not too late right?

I'll kill two birds with one stone. Answer the other question as well, hahaha.
Yea, i'm Jason, you? Pic ah? Dowan la, malu malu, hahaha. Wah, school holidays d got extra classes somemore. :) Morning is not fine with me either. Afternoon would be great la. Ok, confirm with me later la :)

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 05:04 PM

I'll kill two birds with one stone. Answer the other question as well, hahaha.

err..sorry, but i don't understand this part.

you wanna kill both of us?? :runaway:

TYW

November 10th, 2005, 05:06 PM

i think you've seen my pic B4.

you can call me Yeong Waye (read: yong wei):D

jlshyang

November 10th, 2005, 05:13 PM

err..sorry, but i don't understand this part.

you wanna kill both of us?? :runaway:

Nono, i mean i'll answer the 2 questions in a single reply :)

argory

November 10th, 2005, 05:13 PM

Impressive JB views from Spore. Anyway, nice to know you both, Jason and Yeong Waye. :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/argory/Malaysia_JohorBahru_Skyline.jpg

http://www.users.pipeline.com.au/jowel/images/Malaysian_skyline_-_Jahore_Bahru.jpg

jlshyang

November 10th, 2005, 05:16 PM

i think you've seen my pic B4.

you can call me Yeong Waye (read: yong wei):D

Ok, i'll see u soon yeong wei. You can speak Penang hokkien right? LOL
I believe every Penangite should know, hahaha.

jlshyang

November 10th, 2005, 05:20 PM

Impressive JB views from Spore. Anyway, nice to know you both, Jason and Yeong Waye. :)

Same here.... :)

szehoong

November 10th, 2005, 05:53 PM

I feel that only office towers will prove how beautiful a city is. However, in terms of condominium and flats, they cannot really show the beauty of the city. Office towers will show how strong the economy and most importantly for its great design, but condominium dont show anything, just places for people to live. Sorry for saying these to penang buddies here, its just my own opnion thats all, sorry ah, sorry :)
What do you think?

It is okay to present your view although many might not agree. ;) This is afterall a forum for discussion so no harm done.....we're all here to learn :okay:

Okay back to topic...... :D

Most office towers might be nice but residentials have caught up in terms of luxury and design and that shows the strength of the economy as well. Take KL's latest craza for example: Luxury High-rise living ;)

Condos and serviced apartments like K-Residence, The Four Seasons Apartments, The Troika, The Avare and Berjaya Times Sq Apartments are as nice (if not nicer) than most office buildings. There are many other examples all around the world like Trump World Tower in NYC, Eureka in Melbourne, The Sails in Singapore, Highcliff & The Summit in HK, World Tower in Sydney and Q1 in Brisbane.

Such epitome in condo and residential highrise signifies an even greater symbol of economic success as it shows that the residents of the city had the economic power to purchase such astronomically-priced residences. The other significant symbol shows that density and demand of inner-city living in urban centres had pushed residential buildings to soaring heights thus is also greatly reflects economic powress of that perticular city. :)

'Just a place for people to live' had taken on a new meaning and new heights in many cities all over the world and residential buildings are as great as an economic indicator as office buildings ;)

globocentric

November 10th, 2005, 06:19 PM

cooolboi

November 11th, 2005, 08:31 AM

:wallbash: Wha, no people support me ah??!!

James Foong

November 11th, 2005, 09:20 AM

szehoong

November 11th, 2005, 09:23 AM

:wallbash: Wha, no people support me ah??!!

^^ :hug: It is not a matter of support or not but it is the truth that Penang is so much more developed than JB and that it is faster growing too. ;)

And seriously, high-rise residentials is an economic indicator as well too and some residentials as I've pointed out earlier can be well-designed as well ;)

szehoong

November 11th, 2005, 09:31 AM

Unless you want to present your city as a vacation city, many cities would prefer to have office blocks to show the greatness of their city economic scale. Luxury residential towers are part of the economic indicator but office is where the key business decision and transactions are done. So, people look at the density of office blocks to judge on the city power. It is harder to judge on residential towers because there are many issues can be argued. If i compare JB n penang, i would say penang is more liveable, but JB is far more potentially becoming a business city, which in turn signified a powerful city.

What you've said is true. But do not underestimate Penang as a business city. It is a high-tech manufacturing hub thus many businesses are transacted there as well. The reason why Penang downtown had so few office blocks is because of its heritage buildings. Many offices in Penang talso tend to use heritage buildings and since it is a manufacturing base, many offices are located at those huge sprawling campus-like buildings.

But there are many office high-rises despite its setbacks and most are found at the fringes of its downtown area. No doubt residentials are a bulk of its buildings but is had quite a sizeable amoung of office buildings as well :)

Port Dickson is a vacation city. But Penang is not. Just by being a 'vacation city', it wouldn't be able to support the country's 2nd largest urban concentration. ;)

Subangite

November 11th, 2005, 09:34 AM

Unless you want to present your city as a vacation city, many cities would prefer to have office blocks to show the greatness of their city economic scale. Luxury residential towers are part of the economic indicator but office is where the key business decision and transactions are done. So, people look at the density of office blocks to judge on the city power. It is harder to judge on residential towers because there are many issues can be argued. If i compare JB n penang, i would say penang is more liveable, but JB is far more potentially becoming a business city, which in turn signified a powerful city.

I agree with your analysis, except for the part of JB's potential as a business city. When compared with Penang, JB has less of a chance due to the proximity of Singapore. Its pretty much playing second fiddle to SG.

JB be however can be much more of a manufacturing prowess because of the Singapore factor but in terms of other industries it plays a supporting role. Penang on the other hand is sufficiently placed far enough that it doesn't have to contend as much as JB into playing a secondary role to an adjacent city. The pressure is far less than JB. I find JB's prospects similar to the cities of Tijuana and San Diego, in Mexico and the US. A source of cheaper goods and cheaper labour, a place of cheap thrills, whilst real substance is left in the wealthier adjacent city.

globocentric

November 11th, 2005, 11:47 AM

Unless you want to present your city as a vacation city, many cities would prefer to have office blocks to show the greatness of their city economic scale. Luxury residential towers are part of the economic indicator but office is where the key business decision and transactions are done. So, people look at the density of office blocks to judge on the city power. It is harder to judge on residential towers because there are many issues can be argued. If i compare JB n penang, i would say penang is more liveable, but JB is far more potentially becoming a business city, which in turn signified a powerful city.

JB becoming a busines city. Not a chance. Trust me i've studied urban geography in university and foreign companies dont care about the low cost of labour that JB has to offer. Singapore has everything that JB can only aspire to be , high english language proficiency , educated workforce etc. JB's potential of becoming a business city has been taken away from Singapore. Even KL is struggling big time in terms of the number of foreign offices. KL has one of the lowest office rents in Asia. It's true. If KL fails to even come close to Singapore, JB has no chance whatsoever.

TYW

November 11th, 2005, 03:47 PM

Ok, i'll see u soon yeong wei. You can speak Penang hokkien right? LOL
I believe every Penangite should know, hahaha.

my hokkien i very terrible. no one actually thought me hokkien, not even my parent. i learn hokkien by listening to others only

can you speak mandarin??:D

TYW

November 11th, 2005, 03:50 PM

Anyway, nice to know you both, Jason and Yeong Waye

hey, you too!! ;)

TYW

November 11th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Unless you want to present your city as a vacation city, many cities would prefer to have office blocks to show the greatness of their city economic scale. Luxury residential towers are part of the economic indicator but office is where the key business decision and transactions are done. So, people look at the density of office blocks to judge on the city power. It is harder to judge on residential towers because there are many issues can be argued. If i compare JB n penang, i would say penang is more liveable, but JB is far more potentially becoming a business city, which in turn signified a powerful city.

Penang does not have so many office highrises as many offices still uses the heritage buildings in Beach Street, which is the old CBD of Penang. others move into new highrise towers in the new CBD, in Upper Penang Road (UPR). actually i believe Penang has more highrise offices than JB!! besides, Penang still have a few office towers proposed in huge projects like Times Square, Queensbay, the turf club redevelopment and another one in the south of the island, near Krystal Point.

jlshyang

November 11th, 2005, 07:18 PM

my hokkien i very terrible. no one actually thought me hokkien, not even my parent. i learn hokkien by listening to others only

can you speak mandarin??:D

My mandarin is simply terrible, LOL

jlshyang

November 11th, 2005, 07:22 PM

Penang does not have so many office highrises as many offices still uses the heritage buildings in Beach Street, which is the old CBD of Penang. others move into new highrise towers in the new CBD, in Upper Penang Road (UPR). actually i believe Penang has more highrise offices than JB!! besides, Penang still have a few office towers proposed in huge projects like Times Square, Queensbay, the turf club redevelopment and another one in the south of the island, near Krystal Point.

Yep, the Beach Street Area is the traditional CBD of Penang and is still largely today's CBD. You'll notice all the herritage buildings in that area nicely refurbished and being used as banks and offices. Try going down to Beach Street at lunch hour, it's like another Pusat Bandar Damansara or KL city centre rush hour.

cooolboi

November 11th, 2005, 10:46 PM

But anyway, i still feel that JB looks nicer lar.

James Foong

November 12th, 2005, 07:43 AM

I wouldn’t deny Penang prosperity has to do with stable political party, added by the sturdy economy penang has shown. Penang manufacturing muscle is undeniable has propelled the nation industry especially in electronics and ict. History and tourism have discovered and taken penang stand out to be international well known city. JB on the other hand is well known to singaporeans, not much to the world. indeed, Penang is not just a vacation city to many foreign tourists nor lack of business centres, and I plead for your understanding that my earlier post did not either said that.

The reason I put JB a potentially emerging business city has very much to do with the rapport support from the Fed govt. BN has a traditionally long stronghold in Johor. And both states are BN stronghold, but it is lead by different component party. Currently, aside from Selangor, Johor is the land where UMNO has a firm economy and also hold more promising rewards to the future of the party. Johor has the apt demographic of population, where as Penang is Chinese majority state. Coupled with the factor of close proximity to SG, current trade exchange, major force in transportation and logistic, high production of manufacturing goods and heavy industrial in Johor, JB is poised to be the next business city that I had anticipated. What the Fed vision is, to turn JB into an added main business city or second tertiary main centre in Malaysia that can play a significant contributory to the nation economic. Penang in north and the other on south. the south to me seems to be more intense in the near future and business opportunity there is holding bigger promising choices, together with the high level political support. You could see our govt. is more excited on the crook bridge than the Penang second bridge. u could see PM has officiated the construction of new administrative centre in JB. u could identify many major new townships and lifestyle townships being rapidly grown around JB. Business is growing fast and poised to put more pressure on Penang than to SG.

To distinguish the line btwn JB and SG, JB vision in fact is more toward to coexist with SG business environment rather than compete. As Subangite said, JB play second fiddle to SG. True, but we have different agenda. We r not competing directly with them, but complement their economic spillover. JB is developing the city for the gain of national interest. Globecentric mention JB is uncompetitive though we offer cheap labour and goods. True. These days, many other factors are emphasized for relocating decision, aside from the lower operating cost factor alone. Like the reluctance of DHL to move over to JB though it saves them much, the major impediment is the local custom clearance tht is posing more intricacy on their business. on the other hand, sg has the advantage of logistics and supply chain management know how, together with manpower capabilities. However, I disagree that jb does not have a chance at all. Things can change a bit by a bit because we can still amend changes on the policy towards softening the business competitive environment. Cheers everyone!

jlshyang

November 12th, 2005, 04:22 PM

But anyway, i still feel that JB looks nicer lar.

I prefer Penang, hehe. :cheers:

pen

November 12th, 2005, 05:18 PM

:) I also think that Penang is better than JB in term of many sector.
The total space of office and shopping complex in Penang is more than JB until now.. (more a little bit..) the sourse is obtain from newspaper.

bobdikl

November 13th, 2005, 02:30 AM

Quantity or quality, Penang is up and above of all cities in Malaysia.

Ok, Penangites and Johorean. Please don't take offence.
Sweet hometown is always the best place to live in our hearts :)
I just want to give my humble personal neutral opinion here, as I originate come from Terengganu and moved to pj since i was a schoolboy. :)

Apart from being so isolate from the rest of the world, I suppose Kuching and Miri(both cities are officially bandaraya now) can offer a far better place to reside than Penang and Johore as that kind of quality life criteria you guys had mentioned. Both cities are actually so australian like - clean, green, relative prosper, good housing, well maintained and good amenities like museums comparable to many cities in west malaysia.
Melaka is actually not too bad.

Please don't take me wrong, I like penang, particularly the historical part of penang. I'll never forget to recommend it along with Malake to all my foreign friends. However they frequently complain penang is so run down and not properly administrated after travelling several states in Malaysia. When people think of second largest city of Malaysia they expecting something (reasonable) more special, better museum, gallery and cultural life.
I was staying at Shangri-la rasa sayang resort 2 years ago. I couldn't stand whenever I left the hotel's territory and walking toward the dirty beach direction all sort of annoying people came to me - selling things, massage, packages, etc. Honestly, I never experienced up to that bad when I was in india.

Penang is a special high tech zone of Malaysia, I am wondering if the higher-skills workers do not feel boring at the seaside town, evening without classical or pop arts entertainment. They might have to travel far to KL for a decent philharmonic concert or theater-musical production. I have many Penangites friends chose to live and buy a apartment in KL for that reason. At least Johorean could travel to Singapore, just like going to downtown not only for shopping but to enjoy theatre and nice cosmopolitan dinner.
I don't mind to resort in a city without concert hall, opera, theater, gallery but I can't live in.
In order to become a quality or liveable city for new educated generation of Malaysian, expatriate and long-stay visitors I think both cities desperately need to invest in an amenity infrastructure - community theater, museum, gallery, concert hall, arts institution etc.

Subangite

November 13th, 2005, 04:55 AM

When people think of second largest city of Malaysia they expecting something (reasonable) more special, better museum, gallery and cultural life.

Penang is a special high tech zone of Malaysia, I am wondering if the higher-skills workers do not feel boring at the seaside town, evening without classical or pop arts entertainment. They might have to travel far to KL for a decent philharmonic concert or theater-musical production.

I think Penang has a pretty, fairly good, decent arts scene. I was at the P.Ramlee Auditorium for a theatrical show, I was very impressed with the facilities, though I heard the accoustics get drowned out when it rains. But when I was there, it was excellent.

Apart from the P.Ramlee Auditorium Penang has

Dewan P. Ramlee
Dewan Sri Pinang
Auditorium KOMTAR
The Esplanade
Kompleks Pustaka Warisan Seni
Temple of Fine Arts
YMCA Penang
The Performing Studios at Lebuh Cina

Apart from USM's

Dewan Budaya
Panggung Sasaran

Also I think there's a bigger expat community in Penang, which perhaps would account for the island having 2 international schools.

Uplands Penang International School (British) and the Dalat School (American).

TYW

November 13th, 2005, 02:56 PM

My mandarin is simply terrible, LOL

aiyah, like that we all spic bloken english lah....:D

Magician

November 14th, 2005, 02:26 AM

Cool... then speak National Language... MELAYU!!!

cooolboi

May 28th, 2006, 11:44 PM

OMG, this thread is not active.

Lastresorter

May 29th, 2006, 12:44 AM

Currently it's still Penang. But with the latest developments, I am predicting JB to overtake Penang really soon.

MiriCity

May 29th, 2006, 08:28 AM

My answer would depend on whether you are comparing in terms of economic strength or by simply size/ population. If it is by economic strength PENANG would beat JB hands down. JB is obviously the 2nd largest city in Malaysia but in terms of importance I'll have to give my vote to PENANG.

For JB people, sorry....but i think there is still a LOT of room for development.

aBe

May 29th, 2006, 11:30 AM

No lah, Penang is still the 2nd largest city in Malaysia.
And obviously the second most important metro centre of the nation.

Apparently, most people would assume Georgetown City as PENANG and compare it with Greater JB [JB-Scudai-Masai-Tiram-Plentong], of which JB would of course seem to be the bigger city due to the sheer size of JB District.
However town vs town, Georgetown centre is waaaaay bigger compared to JB city centre.

To take into perspective, Penang Island city area covers the area of Batu Maung up to Batu Ferringhi, which is -> BIG. Should Penang island is on the mainland, then Greater Penang would might as well include Perai-Butterworth-Seberang Jaya-Bt Mertajam-Juru-Bt Tengah, which is then -> VERY LARGE

globocentric

May 29th, 2006, 11:47 AM

In terms of size, Georgetown cannot compete with JB. Georgetown has no room for exapansion whereas JB has more than enough land. However, at the end of the day, people dont care about which city is bigger, people only care about the economic importance and prominence and unfortunately JB still has a lot of room of improvement in that aspect compared to Penang. Dhaka and Karachi are mega cities in their own right but why many people are still oblivious to their existence?the answer is simple, their economic strengh is still way behind tiny cities like Kuala Lumpur, which is known by more people .

sc4

May 29th, 2006, 12:41 PM

^^ Yup, whole state's population shouldn't be considered into the ranking. If not, we'll be ranking Malaysia's state population, which in order would be Selangor, Johor and Perak.

Irwin

May 29th, 2006, 08:22 PM

The case of Penang is an exception, State of Penang is a highly urbanized state(more than 80% of the population live in urban area), population density of the state is very high, i.e approximately 1500 ppl/sq km. Neighbouring towns such as Kulim and Sungai Petani also included into greater urban area of Penang, with total population of more than 2 million within 25km radius. While for the case of JB, urban area of JB(which is the District of Johor Bahru) has about 1.2 million population and relatively low population density compared to that of Penang. But no doubt, JB has potential to grow into greater city, maybe a metropolis due to its proximity to Singapore!

aBe

May 30th, 2006, 03:57 AM

khoojyh

May 30th, 2006, 08:34 PM

Nissan_FUGA

May 30th, 2006, 08:38 PM

szehoong

May 30th, 2006, 08:39 PM

have u all ever heard most of Johorean said Penang is a "kampung"???
they said.... JB is much more mordern, good quality and advance than Penang...
haha... i think JB criminal cases are much more higher than Penang....

Wah... is it necessary to tell that in every thread that Penang are compared with JB?

Try to glorify your city without patronizing another city please. Thanks! :yes:

cooolboi

May 30th, 2006, 09:02 PM

erh.. I think i had said that before. :)

khoojyh

May 30th, 2006, 09:08 PM

pls.... if JB quality really better than Penang much, i am willing and happy to accept...
but what they do now are, they already confiem that JB is better Penang without prove any thing.

khoojyh

May 30th, 2006, 09:12 PM

one of my JB friends said to me " pls la...Penang is a kampung !!! JB better than Penang more more more and more...."
is that JB citizen influnce by Singaporean? "kia su" attitude....

khoojyh

May 30th, 2006, 09:13 PM

what JB better than Penang???

szehoong

May 30th, 2006, 09:52 PM

Those are people's opinion khoojyh. If JBians think that their city is better let it be lah. Penangites shouldn't get upset and retaliate. Everyone thinks their town, city and kampung are the best so we just can't argue.

IMO I think your JBians aquaintances are just teasing you. Many Penangites I know are fiercy protective over Penang. Mention something negative and there would be a war. Penang is not a perfect place. Learn to accept criticism and its shortcomings :yes:

Can we discuss this topic as CIVILISED as possible? If not then I would have to lock up this thread.

cooolboi

May 31st, 2006, 12:12 AM

one of my JB friends said to me " pls la...Penang is a kampung !!! JB better than Penang more more more and more...."
is that JB citizen influnce by Singaporean? "kia su" attitude....

Ok, after that only then i realised that Penang is not a kampung. Before that, I always think that the northern malaysia is under developed, maybe because im from the south. :)

cooolboi

May 31st, 2006, 12:32 AM

And maybe because jb people are exposed to many different lifestyles and that make them think or feel that living in jb is better when compare to many other places in malaysia.

Vince

May 31st, 2006, 01:00 AM

Personally, I do not think that JB is the greatest place in Malaysia, evidently so as I am always critical of things in this city, may it be pollution, lack of maintenance, lack of progress etc etc. Therefore I always want the city to improve and gratefully receive any constructive criticisms from others. In many ways Penang and Kuala Lumpur are way better than JB. However, JB is still my hometown and please don't put it down. It is sad that even Malaysians run down other cities in their own coutry. Also, it is also sad that people who are misinformed about other places have actually never been to the cities they criticize about. So if they are ignorant, then you shouldn't be like them. One more note: Also don't run Singapore down and always term them "kiasu". Doesn't the fact that Malaysia always wants to play "catch up" with Singapore also show our "kiasu" mentality?

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 03:37 AM

Ok, after that only then i realised that Penang is not a kampung. Before that, I always think that the northern malaysia is under developed, maybe because im from the south. :)

Your sarcasm isn't helping. Please stop it now :no:

forrestcat

May 31st, 2006, 04:40 AM

It is unfortunate that many Malaysians in the Klang Valley and major cities who are ignorant(with their mouth speaking ahead of their brain) about their own country who go to holidays in the gold coast and Europe and Japan but never in their own country. It is good that there's a forum here that could show some of our ignorant friends about our beautiful country.

Magician

May 31st, 2006, 05:02 AM

have u all ever heard most of Johorean said Penang is a "kampung"???
they said.... JB is much more mordern, good quality and advance than Penang...
haha... i think JB criminal cases are much more higher than Penang....

This is most people from South, they never visit Penang or places in the north. This is why they are so short-sighted. Think about it, if it is without Singapore, I think JB will just only a crappy place. Sorry, not trying to be bitchy, just want to defend my homeland.

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 06:23 AM

Penangites & JBians > If you guys do not stop these mud-slinging in the noble name of 'defending' your homeland I would have to lock this thread.

Can someone please start a more sensible course for this thread?

Please do remember that every city had to have support from its neighbours wether it is a hinterland or a foreign country. A city cannot survived on its own. So wether JB is reliant on Singapore or not it doesn't matter. Shenzhen and Guangzhou had been riding on HK's success too. HK without its northern hinterland would be useless as well. So a city's well-being are both ways. :yes:

As for the 'kampung' thingy.....so what? Afterall we are living in a global 'village'. :D And that people's ignorant view (or sarcastic view) does not matter. I do not care if people still say that we in KL still live on trees. Come and think if it......if people heard such statement, it badly reflects on the person where it comes from rather than the 'victim' ;)

Subangite

May 31st, 2006, 06:33 AM

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 08:56 AM

I think he should have the right to voice his opinions! Stop being a moral Nazi police, people are old enough to take care of themselves. You can't police opinions and ideas, why would you want to? what if this was a mamak stall or a kopi tiam? Shall I see Szehoong overzealously policing what people say?

Also Stop threatening to close down and lock a thread, just do it and stop the whining!

Those are not opinions. They are attacking each other. If you are dissatisfied then LEAVE ( I tot you did :D ) and dun bother to reply to this thread.

Are you the moderator here or am I?

cooolboi

May 31st, 2006, 10:16 AM

Those are not opinions. They are attacking each other. If you are dissatisfied then LEAVE ( I tot you did :D ) and dun bother to reply to this thread.

Are you the moderator here or am I?

Since when i attacked someone? Did i? Please state in bold before making such a stupid nonsensical comments.
What i had read are bad news about JB small and unsafe, and nothing more. And my comments are my opinions. Learn what democracy means.

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 10:28 AM

Since when i attacked someone? Did i? Please state in bold before making such a stupid nonsensical comments.
What i had read are bad news about JB small and unsafe, and nothing more. And my comments are my opinions. Learn what democracy means.

This forum isn't your bastion of free speech. If you dislike my 'autocratic rule' here by all means complain to higher management. Please read the rules and regulation.

Firstly I did not say you did attacked someone. Since you've quoted me please state where did I specifically targetted you? You did some mud-slinging with those Penang forumers and I take your sarcasm remark as a form of retaliation.

I need not explain further to you as I am not obliged to do so. And I have no idea why are you so worked up. Perhaps like the saying goes - "Siapa yang makan cili dialah yang rasa pedas".

cooolboi

May 31st, 2006, 10:50 AM

This forum isn't your bastion of free speech. If you dislike my 'autocratic rule' here by all means complain to higher management. Please read the rules and regulation.

Firstly I did not say you did attacked someone. Since you've quoted me please state where did I specifically targetted you? You did some mud-slinging with those Penang forumers and I take your sarcasm remark as a form of retaliation.

I need not explain further to you as I am not obliged to do so. And I have no idea why are you so worked up. Perhaps like the saying goes - "Siapa yang makan cili dialah yang rasa pedas".

Everyone has the right to defend their homelands. Perhaps my comments sound sarcastic to you, but they are just comments and opinions. Just like in other thread where you find the people of New york and Chicago. They are attaking each other for the sake of defending their homeland. Hope that you understand what democracy means, dictatorship isnt a way to solve problem nowadays, my friend. :) :)

I am not worked up in the first place, just that your nasty threat made me uneasy.

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 11:03 AM

Everyone has the right to defend their homelands. Perhaps my comments sound sarcastic to you, but they are just comments and opinions. Just like in other thread where you find the people of New york and Chicago. They are attaking each other for the sake of defending their homeland. Hope that you understand what democracy means, dictatorship isnt a way to solve problem nowadays, my friend. :) :)

I am not worked up in the first place, just that your nasty threat made me uneasy.

Yes. You have all the rights to defend. But the way you defend shouldn't be offensive. There are rules and regulation to be adhered to.

The way things run here in the Malaysian Forums and in the Asian forums are different from the rest.

We prefer intelligent and sensible discussion. Is that too much to ask for?

Yea.....I threatened to lock this thread up if the mud-slinging continues and is that 'nasty'? Do you live and die for this thread?

This forum isn't a bastion of democracy and people do not get elected here. There are also stringent rules and regulation that all forumers should adhere to. So if you do not like how we run this place then please don't hijack this thread and do not reply. Thanks!

Magician

May 31st, 2006, 12:48 PM

I apologise on rudeness first... hope didnt offend anyone... just that tak boleh tahan the word 'kampung' :)

jlshyang

May 31st, 2006, 04:04 PM

aBe

May 31st, 2006, 04:22 PM

Irwin

May 31st, 2006, 08:28 PM

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 08:40 PM

Ha..ha, it's kinda funny when 'parochial' city-isme gets in the way of what is suppose to be a fun way of whiling away our time on the internet with our favourite subject - city & cityscape.

Everybody wants to win, that's for sure.
I wish that I'm the most handsome person on earth.
But fact is fact lah brother.

The same goes with 'My city is bigger than yours...'
Melbourne city folks are in denial of Sydney's supremacy.
Manchester is envious of Birmingham
KB vs Kuantan
Alor Setar vs Sg Petani
JB vs Penang

The fact that in Malaysia's utility industry, it's our Northern city which is considered as the 2nd Strategic Business Area next after Klang Valley - just goes to show that Utara is not that 'kampung' after all. And Penang remains to stay as the 2nd most important city of the nation.

Well said aBe! :okay: If only everyone is as understanding ;)

What I tried to do is to promote intelligent discussion here and I was questioned. This episode clearly shows the mentality of certain people in this forum :ohno:

I hope everyone puts this behind their back.

Magician > Its okay ;) ......I do think that the 'kampung' term is degraratory and insulting. However we all should take criticism and people's ignorance with a pinch of salt. As long as you and I know that Penang is not a kampung so whatever other thinks does it matter? Just like how the fed govt isn't recognising Penang as a city....does it really matters? It is still Malaysia's #2 city in our hearts :okay:

And in order to 'defend' your homeland one could have just glorify his/her homeland without the expense of other cities. Just say good things and do not condemn others. :yes:

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 08:47 PM

I didn't expect this thread to take the ugly turn.

Anyway, some of my oustation friends does think that Penang is a kampung but instead of being over protective over my hometown i feel sorry for their ignorance and i showed them pictures of Penang and invited them over to Penang. Eventually, they are no longer a katak di bawah tempurung.

Well done jlshyang! :okay:

That is how I always educate my overseas friends about KL and Malaysia too. I showed em our forum and my pictures. I even took the trouble to bring many visitors around and tell them what they need to know and the truth. SOmetimes foreign media paints a very bleak and negative picture of our country esp since Dr. M ousted Anwar from the govt :ohno:

So people.....instead of being sarcastic and jumping over me for calming the situation, you guys just need to educate. No mud-slinging and name calling. This is not a zoo! :yes:

Irwin

May 31st, 2006, 08:57 PM

one of my JB friends said to me " pls la...Penang is a kampung !!! JB better than Penang more more more and more...."
is that JB citizen influnce by Singaporean? "kia su" attitude....

khoojyh...your friend know little about Malaysia history lahhh....! At the time Georgetown,Penang was declared as a city by British government, JB is only a "kampung"!
Interesting to know that, "Mega city of Orient", Hong Kong at that time is also a small fishing village....
I think that if Penang really undergoes massive developement at that time....Penang is now a booming city already....maybe comparable to HK!

MiriCity

May 31st, 2006, 09:03 PM

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 09:13 PM

I think all is entitle to their opinion. I agree though, stop making unconstructive opinions/comments/retaliatory note. I firmly believe believe a healthy comparison and competition can really improve our cities and towns in Malaysia. Make comments with evidence and facts not stereotype/what you heard/rumours.

Thanks MiriCity for saying that! :okay: I couldn't have put it better in words :yes:

This is a great thread if only we were as constructive as in the beginning ;)

szehoong

May 31st, 2006, 09:20 PM

khoojyh...your friend know little about Malaysia history lahhh....! At the time Georgetown,Penang was declared as a city by British government, JB is only a "kampung"!
Interesting to know that, "Mega city of Orient", Hong Kong at that time is also a small fishing village....
I think that if Penang really undergoes massive developement at that time....Penang is now a booming city already....maybe comparable to HK!

Actually when Queen Elizabeth II declared George Town a city in the 50s, HK is already an entreport city the size of Singapore. It is defintely not a fishing village.

As for JB, it too isn't a kampung at that time. Sultan Abu Bakar developed JB into a very well-planned town with the assistance of local Chinese businessmen like Wong Ah Fook during the turn of the centruy. In fact JB is one of the most developed town during the British administration.
:yes:

Irwin

May 31st, 2006, 09:39 PM

Actually when Queen Elizabeth II declared George Town a city in the 50s, HK is already an entreport city the size of Singapore. It is defintely not a fishing village.

As for JB, it too isn't a kampung at that time. Sultan Abu Bakar developed JB into a very well-planned town with the assistance of local Chinese businessmen like Wong Ah Fook during the turn of the centruy. In fact JB is one of the most developed town during the British administration.
:yes:

:jk: actually......the thing i wanna say is....when Shanghai became the capital of the east, Hong Kong is only a small fishing village! :runaway:

Magician

June 1st, 2006, 05:30 AM

Well I am not trying to pick up a fight again. Just want to clarify something.

Actually I can understand that why Johor citizens or to be more specific citizens from the south have this impression that cities in the north are pretty 'kampung'. I think this is because they live so near to Singapore and KL which are highly developed cities and this makes them totally forget about the development of the northen states which are comparable to cities in the south.

Let me share with you this.

Before went to Penang for a visit, my friends from Melaka and Johor, they thought that Penang is a 'Kampung'.

So, they paid me a visit in 2002. When they arrived, I didnt bring them directly to Georgetown. Their first destination was Tanjung Tokong followed by Batu Ferringhi and Teluk Bahang. When I drove them there, they saw the whole stretch of hotels along the way, they were so impressed and said 'Oh gosh, I didnt know PEnang has so many hotels and so many highrises.' I just kept quiet and smile.

Then I drove them to Gurney and all the way to Georgetown to their hotel - Cititel. Along the way, they were shocked by the all the highrises along Gurney. They didnt know that Penang is so developed.

The other most funny part was they didnt even know that Penang has an airport and it is an international airport and it is one of the most important airports in Malaysia as passenger terminal and cargo transfer.

The point I want to emphasize is, it is unfair to judge a place's development when we didn't even go or know the place well. To be honest, before going to Singapore, I thought JB was a small town with less development too. But, after I visited JB, I know I was totally wrong.

There's no distinct definition or indication of whether Georgetown, Penang or JB, Johor is the second city in Malaysia. Even whether which of these 2 cities is the second largest is still a unknown answer. But, one thing for sure is that each city plays different role within the country. Penang is well-known for its electronics industry as well as its air cargo centre. Johor is a agricultural state and serves as a main seaport in Malaysia. So, both cities have their important role to play. They are inter-link in every other way. Then, who can claim that which of these 2 is the second city?

The other point is... we are talking about 2nd city in Malaysia... what does the 2nd mean?
-second highest crime rate?
-second most developed?
-second most populated?
-second largest?
-second highest GDP?
-second most beautiful?
-second most flights?
-second most Bumiputra? Chinese? Hindus?
............ the list goes on

I hope this will help to ease the fight...

johnsonooi

June 1st, 2006, 08:19 AM

I totally agreed with what magician, ah sze and other forumers said. Malaysian are totally being influenced by the media and make judgements without further investigation and thinking logically. From my personal experience, my fren from KL always perceived that Alor Star is just a kampung. However, the fact is Alor Star did change a lots althought is not that 'developed' compare to Penang. While saying Johore and Penang are developed state, then Kedah is just developing state.

People concentrate on the city development and forget about other developments beyond the city. Just like Alor Star(noticed) vs Kulim(not noticed since it is not that 'famous') vs Sungai Petani(noticed, but AS has high popularity compare to SP). For example, besides Alor Star acts as capital, Sungai Petani is the most important city in Kedah as the city is another 'satelite' city to Penang and ALor Star, which support Alor Star and Penang by providing alot of economics and financial support, as well as other support such as housing. Kulim is another important city in Kedah since it acts as intelligent or high tech industrial area. Just like KL and New York are national economic centre, Putrajaya and Washington DC are admin city.

Being 2nd city in Malaysia, what this means? 2nd largest city or ....

However, what I suggest that JB can act as Southern hub and gateway on behalf of malaysia, Penang acts as a hub for Northern Economic and Investment centre where Alor Star is just a supplement to Penang as a Northern Gate for Malaysia. In other words, besides KL acts as Economic and Primary gateway to Malaysia, Penang and JB and other capital cities (Kuching, Alor Star, KK, Kuantan, KB...) act like 'satellite' city as regional hub to KL to support our nation economic growth, which what I considered that Jb and Penang are Malaysia's 2nd cities.

Am i rite? :cheers:
Well I am not trying to pick up a fight again. Just want to clarify something.

Actually I can understand that why Johor citizens or to be more specific citizens from the south have this impression that cities in the north are pretty 'kampung'. I think this is because they live so near to Singapore and KL which are highly developed cities and this makes them totally forget about the development of the northen states which are comparable to cities in the south.

Let me share with you this.

Before went to Penang for a visit, my friends from Melaka and Johor, they thought that Penang is a 'Kampung'.

So, they paid me a visit in 2002. When they arrived, I didnt bring them directly to Georgetown. Their first destination was Tanjung Tokong followed by Batu Ferringhi and Teluk Bahang. When I drove them there, they saw the whole stretch of hotels along the way, they were so impressed and said 'Oh gosh, I didnt know PEnang has so many hotels and so many highrises.' I just kept quiet and smile.

Then I drove them to Gurney and all the way to Georgetown to their hotel - Cititel. Along the way, they were shocked by the all the highrises along Gurney. They didnt know that Penang is so developed.

The other most funny part was they didnt even know that Penang has an airport and it is an international airport and it is one of the most important airports in Malaysia as passenger terminal and cargo transfer.

The point I want to emphasize is, it is unfair to judge a place's development when we didn't even go or know the place well. To be honest, before going to Singapore, I thought JB was a small town with less development too. But, after I visited JB, I know I was totally wrong.

There's no distinct definition or indication of whether Georgetown, Penang or JB, Johor is the second city in Malaysia. Even whether which of these 2 cities is the second largest is still a unknown answer. But, one thing for sure is that each city plays different role within the country. Penang is well-known for its electronics industry as well as its air cargo centre. Johor is a agricultural state and serves as a main seaport in Malaysia. So, both cities have their important role to play. They are inter-link in every other way. Then, who can claim that which of these 2 is the second city?

The other point is... we are talking about 2nd city in Malaysia... what does the 2nd mean?
-second highest crime rate?
-second most developed?
-second most populated?
-second largest?
-second highest GDP?
-second most beautiful?
-second most flights?
-second most Bumiputra? Chinese? Hindus?
............ the list goes on

I hope this will help to ease the fight...

Subangite

June 1st, 2006, 01:57 PM

Those are not opinions. They are attacking each other. If you are dissatisfied then LEAVE ( I tot you did :D ) and dun bother to reply to this thread.

Are you the moderator here or am I?

You are the moderator Sze and thats why I have left :) . And actually I do not bother posting in Malaysian threads anymore, but on this instance, I just couldn't resist especially after you issued threats of locking down the thread, which I find punitive and hillarious of you! I think you're heavy handedness and uber-fathering of the forums, suffocating. But I guess you know that already.

Take care fellow Malaysians! Ciao!!!

szehoong

June 1st, 2006, 08:07 PM

You are the moderator Sze and thats why I have left :) . And actually I do not bother posting in Malaysian threads anymore, but on this instance, I just couldn't resist especially after you issued threats of locking down the thread, which I find punitive and hillarious of you! I think you're heavy handedness and uber-fathering of the forums, suffocating. But I guess you know that already.

Take care fellow Malaysians! Ciao!!!

If I am the reason of you leaving then good......then I do not have to go thru the process of brigging and banning you. You did it on your own accord and that saves me a lot of effort.

What a hypocrite! First you left - vowed that you would never come back. Then you came back for a while and flak me. And now you are leaving again. Whose cause are you championing by coming back? Are you the noble knight that are here to destroy the evil draconian moderator?

Seriously.....if you have problem with my style of moderation then please leave us all and stop replying to this thread. You are making things worst by hijacking this thread. And I am here to stay wether you like it or not.

So what if I uses my powers to threatened to locking of this thread? I usually allow second (and sometimes third and fourth) chances for an awry thread to turn good. This is a good thread and I believe that things could turn out good in the end. In fact it did till a few hours ago when you did the hit and run thingy again.

But if I recalled correctly you left because your arguments the last time around was unpopular and that your rudeness to a fellow furumer is uncalled for. You lack the support from the rest of the forumers and that is why you left. I am not too sure if you could drummed up your legions of supporters this time round but I hope you would just stick to your words and leave.

Sayonara! :wave:

Vince

June 2nd, 2006, 01:48 AM

Having read much about Penang when I was younger and then been there when I was older, I had never thought Penang as a "Kampung". In fact, I used to think that JB was a "cowboy town", haphazardly planned and so on, but also never a "kampung". Penang and JB folks, be proud of your cities and also proud that other MALAYSIAN cities are showing progress. We are all inter-dependent anyway. Around my neighbourhood in JB (being a relatively young town compared to other cities in Malaysia), my neighbours hail from Penang, KL, Kuantan, Sabah etc etc. I was born in Muar myself, and hardly anyone in my neighbourhood is born in JB....therefore it would be foolhardy for JB-ians to criticize others as we would be criticizing our relatives and friends living elsewhere. (the ones that do, well they are just dumb) It is also true that Singapore influences the development of JB, but in no way have I ever looked down on other Malaysian cities, and am always thrilled about developments everywhere, even though it is not in my habit to show my excitement in the threads here. What is "homeland" to me? Homeland is anywhere in the world that I can call it home, and I don't want to restrict myself to a certain place only, as that would restrict my way of living, thinking, opinion, etc etc.