Whats your top twenty European Skylines, I made it twenty to allow for some of the more provincial cities to get a mention in here.

I dont know... not so good at this... top 2 is easy first Paris then Rotterdam...

Frankfurt somewhere below that and London.. it's allright, Warsaw is overrated.

Moscow doesn't really have a skyline yet


Some nice provincial skylines... Cologne is quite ok, Utrecht has a good amount of midrises around the train station, Monaco is great (from close)... Tulle in France had (to my surprise) quite a few nice scrapers (not a top 20 though). can't think of anything else at the moment...

I dont know... not so good at this... top 2 is easy first Paris then Rotterdam...

Rotterdam before Frankfurt, should that be a joke? Very absurd your statement

Rotterdam is nothing special, not in the same league as London or Frankfurt IMO.

from lostboy: Rotterdam is nothing special, not in the same league as London or Frankfurt IMO.

i don't think so. Rotterdam has first a better design than Frankfurt or London. The second reason is that Rotterdam has a skyline with more towers then London. :)
Frankfurt has a view towers, but it isn't densely populated.
And Rotterdam has a lot of plans

Sorry my English is not so very well :wallbash:

I dont know... not so good at this... top 2 is easy first Paris then Rotterdam...

Frankfurt somewhere below that and London.. it's allright, Warsaw is overrated.

Moscow doesn't really have a skyline yet


Some nice provincial skylines... Cologne is quite ok, Utrecht has a good amount of midrises around the train station, Monaco is great (from close)... Tulle in France had (to my surprise) quite a few nice scrapers (not a top 20 though). can't think of anything else at the moment...

Skyline-wise I understand why you put Rotterdam in front of London at this moment, but putting Rotterdam in front of FFM is just hilarious.

Naming Utrecht is also very weird... I would've placed Amsterdam and The Hague above it (when talking about Dutch skylines).

My list:

- Frankfurt
- Paris
- London
- Rotterdam
- Warsaw
- Istanbul
- Benidorm
- Moscow
- Madrid
- Vienna
- Berlin
- The Hague
- Amsterdam

Erm Can't think of more at this moment.. I'll add some more later. :)

When I was in Rotterdam - it was only for a couple of days and I wasn't tower hunting - the high-rises didn't seem very revolutionairy and seemed a bit bland - though the waterscape adds a lot to the city - though deceptively tall.

Are you sure Rotterdam has more towers than London? Can you give me some heights and stats please - pics not neccessary. Thanks in Advance.

Where is Angelcynn?

I would generally echo the list by elmo as far as the top 5, but put vienna and the hague further up.

No, London has a view more towers, but the towers aren't concentrated in one skyline.


My top eleven in Europe.

-Frankfurt
-Rotterdam
-London
-Paris
-Warsaw
-Madrid
-Berlin
-Vienna
-Amsterdam
-The Hague
-Istanbul

The other ten are coming at a view moment. :)

Yeah the question is about skylines so you guys are pretty much right yes about Rotterdam and Frankfurt. But I meant in urbanity, Rotterdam is much more urban than Frankfurt IMO. Offcourse my list is a bit off then aswell, because London is more urban than Rotterdam aswell, but Rotterdam has the biggest chance of becoming a kind of Manhattan in Europe and Paris already is a little bit.

Doesn't make sense does it?

Frankfurt
Paris
London
Rotterdam
Warsaw
Bernidorm
Vienna
Brussels
Vilnius
Tallin
Amsterdam
Monaco
Berlin
Oslo

Thats 14, and all I can think of. :)

top 3:
Frankfurt
Paris
London
then goes another 3 (no particular order):
Warsaw
Rotterdam
Istanbul

Then maybe Benidorm

So I have only top 7.
The other cities which should be mentioned: Moscow, Vienna, Brussels, Berlin, Tallinn, Vilnius, Oslo etc. etc. I have not seen the photos of skylines from many cities such as e.g. Amsterdam so it's hard to judge.

I hope to see some photos in this thread too ;).

Agree with Edd

Few skyline photos of Vilnius, I think it definitely deserves a place in Europe's top20, maybe even top 10 :) currently quite tiny but it formed just during last 2 years!

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/johngang/Vilnius/bank.jpg

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/johngang/Vilnius/IMG_4035.jpg

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/johngang/Vilnius/IMG_4034.jpg

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v136/johngang/Vilnius/IMG_3791.jpg

1. Frankfurt am Main
2. London
3. Paris
4. Istanbul
5. Warsaw
6. Rotterdam
7. Benidorm
8. Moscow
9. Vienna
10. Madrid
11. Vilnius
12. Napoli
13. Berlin
14. Essen
15. Barcelona
16. Amsterdam
17. Prague
18. Brussels
19. Manchester
20. Tallinn

Yeah, I've made it :banana:

A Top 20 ... I'll stick to these 6 cities :

London - Paris - Rotterdam - Warsaw - Frankfurt and Moscow

Others like Madrid - Barcelona - Wien - Napoli - Brussels and Vilnius can hardly be called skyscrapercities nowadays.Perhaps in the future ...

FRANKFURT
LONDON
PARIS
ISTANBUL(only European PART)
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THAN
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WARSAW
MOSCOW
VIENNA
ROTTERDAM
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THATS MY OPPINION :)

AND.. THE Baltic Cities has no future to become a very dense skyline.

in my opinion a city with less 1mil pop. is too small to become a powerful city.

Thats true but skyscrapers really depend on how much business the city handles and the headquarters of large firms....Frankfurt am Main isn't very large(relatively :) )yet has one of the best skylines in Europe.

AND.. THE Baltic Cities has no future to become a very dense skyline.

in my opinion a city with less 1mil pop. is too small to become a powerful city.

nah, that's not really true, first of all it depends on the attitude - if the firms and government look positively to tall buildings then even a city of 0,5 mio population may become a skyscrapercity. There are good examples, Rotterdam is probably the best one, Frankfurt also comes to my mind, population of both is something 600-650K (not including metro). Skyscrapers might look something huge and important but actually they're not something more than a typical supermarket (in terms of building costs), although the visual impact makes you believe it is something.
And a city like Istanbul with 10+ million population could do much better with skyscrapers because now it only can compete with Warsaw which is something 1,6 million pop. So you see that population is not that important after all.

@madman
But frankfurt is the finace center of the eurpoen union and germany.
thats incude more than 350mil people

@John
Rotterdam is an economical power with inculdes the biggest ship Ports in Europe and on the world.
export 243 Bil $
Frankfurt see the first please.
and
the baltic staates they have nothing,
Estonia 1.4Mil pop, export 3.4 Bil $
Latvia 2.3Mil pop, export 2.3 Bil$
Lithuania 3.6Mil pop , export 5.4 Bil$

this infos from the CIA factbook

It'd be nice to think that not every country and city will have skyscrapers, if everywhere did, then nowhere would be unique.

@John
Rotterdam is an economical power with inculdes the biggest ship Ports in Europe and on the world.
export 243 Bil $
Frankfurt see the first please.
and
the baltic staates they have nothing,
Estonia 1.4Mil pop, export 3.4 Bil $
Latvia 2.3Mil pop, export 2.3 Bil$
Lithuania 3.6Mil pop , export 5.4 Bil$

this infos from the CIA factbook

this is truth, however this doesn't directly affect construction of skyscrapers, the facts and the photos speak for theirselves what is the case in Vilnius, it took just a bit more than one year to gain this what is shown in my previous pics, so we might wait few more years and will see who was right (me pointing at myself :D)

- Frankfurt
- Paris
- London
- Rotterdam
- Warsaw
- Istanbul
- Benidorm
- Moscow
- Madrid
- Vienna
- Berlin
- The Hague
- Amsterdam

Well small cities can have small skylines :). Ofcourse such cities as Vilnius will never come even close to Warsaw (I'm not even talking about bigger cities). Especially if such cities are in small countries like Lithuania. So partly I agree with 3emperor. But as I said small cities of small countries can still have some little skyline and fit in top 20 of European Skylines ;).

Btw there is a project of dipolis Vilnius-Kaunas with 1.6 million population. So population wise it wouldn't be very small.

I ask for twenty and only one person has given it to me.

:) thats correct John

but for the near future this cities can not reach or follow a bigger city with more people and more finace.

inh.
Estonia 1.4Mil pop, export 3.4 Bil $, tallinin 410000
Lithuania 3.6Mil pop , export 5.4 Bil$, Vilnius 600000
Latvia 2.3Mil pop, export 2.3 Bil$, Riga 830000

Even though it's not my favorite Dutch city, I would say The Hague definately deserves a spot in the European top 20 as far as skyline goes. Here's a pic of the skyline as seen from Rotterdam:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/database/buildings.01/1001.jpg

Tallest tower is the 142m Hoftower. A 128m and a 132m tower are currently U/C and many more will follow in the upcoming years.

The ten tallest in few years:

1. Ministerie van BIZA 146m (proposed)
2. Ministerie van Justitie 146m (proposed)
3. Hoftoren 142m (completed)
4. Babylon 140m (proposed)
5. Het Strijkijzer 132m (currently U/C)
6. Woontoren Wijnhavenkwartier 131m (proposed)
7. Prinsenhof D/E 128m (currently U/C)
8. Castalia 104m (completed)
9. Grotiustoren 97m (proposed)
10. Zurichtoren 88m (completed)

All built in the same area very close together.

I would place The Hague above cities like Vilnius, Tallin and Oslo. :)

Great picture, dennol. The Hague is one of the most beautiful skyscrapers on the coast in Europe.

But here is my top 19. of including Assen, my top 20

-Frankfurt
-Rotterdam
-London
-Paris
-Essen
-Warsaw
-Madrid
-The Hague
-Amsterdam
-Istanbul
-Benidorm
-Manchester
-Moscow
-Vilnius
-Vienna
-Berlin
-Leeuwarden
-Barcelona
-Eindhoven
-and of course Assen :) :cheers:

This is my list

My top twenty European skylines (in terms of high-rise buildings) are:

1.London
2.Frankfurt
3.Paris
4.Warsaw
5.Vienna
6.Rotterdam
7.Moscow
8.Vilnius
9.Birmingham
10.Lyon
11.Madrid
12.Talinn
13.Barcelona
14.Manchester
15.Glasgow
16.The Hague
17.Amsterdam
18.Istanbul
19.Milan
20.Tilburg
...
...
...
Carlisle :)

London
Paris
Frankfurt
Rotterdam
Berlin
Madrid
Warsaw

Allright guys you are right, as this thread is about skylines Frankfurt definetly deserves the first place. The city itself didn't impress me actually, but that's not what this topic is about.

Great picture, dennol. The Hague is one of the most beautiful skyscrapers on the coast in Europe.

The Hague is a skyscraper? :D ;) The pic was actually taken by Jan so he deserves all credits.


Ontopic:

It's not easy to make a top 20. My top 10 (actually 11) based on number of skyscrapers, height and density would be:

1. Paris, Frankfurt
3. London, Rotterdam, Benidorm
6. Vienna, Warsaw, Istanbul, Madrid
10. Napels, The Hague

Then you also have cities like Moscow, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Brussels and Cologne that have a lot of highrise, but not much of a skyline.

After the top 10 the differences become really small. There are a lot of European cities with a bunch of 80-120m skyscrapers. None of them really stands out as far as skyline goes.

Funny, Moscow doesn't have a skyline, but Europe's tallest is currently U/C there :D

1. Frankfurt
2. London
3. Paris
4. Istanbul
5. Warsaw
6. Rotterdam
7. Vienna
8. Moscow
9. Benidorm
10. Cologne
11. Brussels
12. Naples
13. Hague
14. Amsterdam
15. Barcelona
16. Berlin
17. Düsseldorf
18. Munich
19. Vilnius
20. Bratislava

Well, this is my personal list:
1 - Frankfurt
2 - London
3 - Paris
4 - Warsaw
5 - Istambul
6 - Roterdam
7 - Moscow
8 - Vienna
9 - Brussels
10 - Benidorm
11 - Madrid
12 - Napoli
13 - Lisbon
14 - Vilnius
15 - Berlim
16 - Milan
17 - Tallin
18 - Oslo
19 - Stockolm
20 - Copenhagen

For me ..

1. Frankfurt
2. Istanbul
3. London
4. Paris
5. Vienna
6. Warsaw
7. Moscow

1.Frankfurt
2.Paris
3.Istanbul
4.London
5.Warsaw
6.Rotterdam
7.Napoli
8.Wien
9.Essen

Future
1.Moscow,Istanbul,Londonn
2.Frankfurt,Paris,Madird,Warsaw
3.Rotterdam,Wien

I always see Berlin in the ranking, but I prefer the skyline of Essen

Berlin has a lot more and higher towers, but they are not concentrated in one skyline

it's rally hard to make a top 20 when I only know so less cities

first three

Frankfurt, Paris, London, followed by Rotterdam, Istanbul and Vienna

@3emperor: you should read this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=100226) about Klaipeda and you will see how much skyscrapers can get a city with only 200 000 inhabitants ;)

Paris? Yikes!

Frankfurt
London
Warsaw

1. Frankfurt am Main
2. London
3. Paris
4. Istanbul
5. Warsaw
6. Rotterdam
7. Benidorm
8. Moscow
9. Vienna
10. Madrid
11. Vilnius
12. Napoli
13. Berlin
14. Milan
15. Barcelona
16. Amsterdam
17. Prague
18. Brussels
19. Manchester
20. Tallinn

Yeah, I've made it :banana:
I totally agree with you!At least in Spanish cities.

AND.. THE Baltic Cities has no future to become a very dense skyline.

in my opinion a city with less 1mil pop. is too small to become a powerful city.
This is not true. Dusseldorf in one example of a 'small' powerful city. Here in Brazil, another example of a 'small' city with a decent skyline and a strong economy is Londrina ( Little London ) in Northern Paraná State:
http://www.londrinatecnopolis.org.br/news/photos/116.jpg
http://www.londrinatecnopolis.org.br/news/photos/112.jpg
http://www.londrinatecnopolis.org.br/news/photos/114.jpg
http://www.cavallaro.ubbi.com.br/londrina0.jpg
http://www.thox.com.br/img61/fl_londrina.jpg
Londrina has just 450,000 inhabitants, much smaller than many Baltic cities, so why shouldn't they get such density and economic force also??? :cheers: :) :drunk:

Some construction in Londrina:
http://www.plaenge.com.br/londrina/rivera/imagens/im-fachada.jpg
http://www.plaenge2b.com.br/ldb/miro/images/Miro_fachada.jpg
http://www.plaenge2b.com.br/ldb/chagall/images/grande/fachada.jpg
http://www.construblok.com.br/images/fotos/83.jpg http://www.construblok.com.br/images/fotos/85.jpg :cheers:

This is not true. Dusseldorf in one example of a 'small' powerful city. Here in Brazil, another example of a 'small' city with a decent skyline and a strong economy is Londrina ( Little London ) in Northern Paraná
Londrina has just 450,000 inhabitants, much smaller than many Baltic cities, so why shouldn't they get such density and economic force also??? :cheers: :) :drunk:
But, it is not in Europe??? Isn't?¿

Anyway, here some pictures by Booze, Spanish forumer. :grouphug: :drunk:


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The name "Klaipeda" sounds very Greek! :)

Today:

1) Istanbul (Metropolitan)
2) Paris
3) Frankfurt
4) European Istanbul
5) London
6) Rotterdam
7) Warsaw
8) Naples
9) Moscow
10) Benidorm

Tomorrow:

1) Moscow
2) Istanbul (Metropolitan)
3) London
4) European Istanbul
5) Frankfurt
6) Paris
7) Warsaw
8) Rotterdam
9) Naples
10) Benidorm

1.Paris
2.Frankfurt
3.Rotterdam
4.London
5.Istanbul
6.Warsaw
7.Benidorm
8.Vienna
9.The Hague
10.Brussels
11.Amsterdam
12.Napoli
13.Moscow
14.Madrid
15.Berlin.
16.Barcelona
17.Manchester
18.Düsseldorf
19.Vilnius
20.Birmingham

Well, that's my top 20. Looks a bit weird at the end I know. :cool:

I would rate Essen in the Top 20 (maybe place 19 or 20), not because of the skyscrapers hights, but for the nice cbd.

http://www.ewg.de/dtmedia/bilder/Skyline_Essen_kl.jpg

http://www.ewg.de/dtmedia/bilder/dlz.jpg

http://www.gisbert-hecker.de/essen/essen01.jpg

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:drunk:

London
Rotterdam
Paris
Madrid
Barcelona

But, it is not in Europe??? Isn't?¿

No it isn't. But I just used it as an example to show that not only big cities have decent skylines!

"decent skyline"?? :hilarious
...perhaps for the Brazilian standards

Here is my little list, no special order: (well, the best ones are at the top :))

-Frankfurt
-London
-Paris
-Warsaw
-Benidorm
-Berlin
-Rotterdam
-Moscow
-Istanbul
-Madrid
-Vilnius

"decent skyline"?? :hilarious
...perhaps for the Brazilian standards

You must say that. What about Italy? I have never seen flatter cities. Show me a picture of a 400,000 inhabitant city in Italy or elsewhere in Europe, what THEY look like....

They look good, some look very good! Better than Sao paulo anyway, I think that city there are too much high-rises.

Today:

1) Istanbul (Metropolitan)
2) Paris
3) Frankfurt
4) European Istanbul
5) London
6) Rotterdam
7) Warsaw
8) Naples
9) Moscow
10) Benidorm

Tomorrow:

1) Moscow
2) Istanbul (Metropolitan)
3) London
4) European Istanbul
5) Frankfurt
6) Paris
7) Warsaw
8) Rotterdam
9) Naples
10) Benidorm

Asimov, you're one helluva comedian!

1.Frankfurt
2. Paris
3. London
4. Warsaw/Rotterdam
5. Moscow maybe

I hope to see Milan in the next future...Italian cities are quite flat but this is a chose. It's very natural for Rome and Florence, but not for Milan and Turin. But the difference vs the rest of Europe, I think, is that in Italy you can find "skyscrapers" (not too tall up to now) in lots of cities: Milan, Naples, Turin, Genova, Bari, Riccione, Brescia, Ferrara, Piacenza...it's a decentrate system! instead in France or England, Where can you find other skyscrapers if not in Paris or London? anyway, I believe italian chose is changing, at least in Milan: a few of skyscrapers are planned and will be built by 2008, one is 160 mt, another is 145 mt, and in July we'll now how many skyscrapers and how tall there will be in the area of ex fiera, that is already called "Central Park of Milan" because of rumors about next buildings...

in Italy you can find "skyscrapers" (not too tall up to now) in lots of cities: Milan, Naples, Turin, Genova, Bari, Riccione, Brescia, Ferrara, Piacenza...it's a decentrate system! instead in France or England, Where can you find other skyscrapers if not in Paris or London?
There are skyscrapers in lots of British and French cities apart from London and Paris!! They are not very tall but then neither are the skyscrapers in Italian cities.

Okay I'll try to make a list... a little less biased this time (although I still believe Rotterdam is more urban than Frankfurt ;))

1. Paris
2. Frankfurt
3. London
4. Warsaw
5. Rotterdam
6. Istanbul
7. Madrid
8. Brussels
9. Vienna
10. Berlin
11. Essen
12. Birmingham
13. Genoa

I'm sorry, I give up, I'm not going to give marks to cities I haven't been (I have been to all of the cities on this list).

How does the skyline of Madrid look like?

Frankfurt
London
Paris
Rotterdam
Brussels
Madrid
Berlin
Warsaw
Milan
Cologne
Moscow
Naples
Birmingham
Stockholm
Amsterdam
Manchester
Barcelona
Vienna
Hamburg
Munich

Some skylines pics to make the decision easier :D

Frankfurt am Main

http://www.skyline-frankfurt.com/ffmskyl_stand_00_03/skyline-frankfurt_22.jpg

Paris

http://ladefense.free.fr/1/14.jpg

London

http://homepage.mac.com/benveasey/.Pictures/tower.jpg

Istanbul

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/imkbden6492.jpg

Warsaw

http://www.warsaw3d.com/orginal-2.jpg

Rotterdam

http://www.oranga.com/pics2/p200404087448-3000b.jpg

Moscow (it really hard to find a good photo of Moscow skyline :sly: )

http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/a/l/aleksey-kuznetsow/3/P2/P2.jpg

Vienna

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Skyshadow2500/Wien/Donaucity/Vor4.jpg

Benidorm

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwAAABsYf7U!FC4fBPYCREGOp1wACz7eZGGZm3zfWewdfKX1su8d7UYPyXZEAgcRtW7OwIrNDjtQeLiXzfstWz4wlYKfMWqQrSh6vlHYh4AXGXdJaM2CWQ/optiplage.jpg?dc=4675402916147950193


Madrid

http://www.photoways.com/photos/0/4/040087/zoom/421040087.jpg

Berlin (scroll ----> )

http://illustriertestadt.de/galerien/Panoramen/tag16ab_a_l_schmal.jpg

Vilnius

http://members.lycos.co.uk/urbanvilnius/mar_13/IMG_4035.jpg

Napoli

http://utenti.lycos.it/ofadown/hpbimg/napoli_centro_direzionale2.jpg

Brussels

http://users.skynet.be/bs605555/photos/pano-final-ngb2.jpg

Essen

http://www.ewg.de/dtmedia/bilder/Skyline_Essen_kl.jpg

Amsterdam

http://www.wolkenkrabbers.nl/pics/wfd4-23.jpg

The Hague

http://skylinerotterdam.info/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=688

Manchester

http://www.abtn.co.uk/archive/2003-03-03/MANCHESTER%20SKYLINE.JPG

Lodz (second largest Polish city)

http://www.jastrzab.lhs.pl/galerie/inne/!!!7_rudzka/panorama_02.jpg

First: Frankfurt, defnitly because its high and dense
Second: Paris, because its very modern style and dense, too
Third: London and Moskau, because both are World Cities, but simply too big to have a dense Skyline without destroying the historical City Images

Frankfurt
London
Paris
Rotterdam
Brussels
Madrid
Berlin
Warsaw
Milan
Cologne
Moscow
Naples
Birmingham
Stockholm
Amsterdam
Manchester
Barcelona
Vienna
Hamburg
Munich
Brussels, Madrid & Berlin before Warsaw :nuts:. You're blind I guess!

@ Soboleus:

Thanks for an AMAZING collection of skyline pictures!!!

One more pic of Vilnius skyline :D

http://skyscrapercity.com/images/forumheaders/17.jpg

That's how I see it:

1. Frankfurt
2. Paris
3. London
4. Warsow
5. Rotterdam
6. Istanbul
7. Madrid
8. Brussels
9. Essen
10. Berlin

To zabawne, że ktoś z Polski tak pojechał z tym "Warsow".
Mam nadzieję, że się nie obrazisz Pakuda :crazy2:.

To zabawne, że ktoś z Polski tak pojechał z tym "Warsow".
Mam nadzieję, że się nie obrazisz Pakuda :crazy2:.

Daar snap ik geen :wallbash: van. Ben geen pool!!

I understand your intentions and I'm sorry. It was message to Paskuda who is Pole and doesn't know how to properly spell "Warsaw".

My list:
1. Frankfurt
2. Paris
3. London
4. Istambul
5. Warsaw
6. Rotterdam
7. Vienna
8. Benidorm
9. Madrit

Two wonderful new discoveries for me: Essen and Lodz! :eek:

The city to beat is still...................

TU M'AS PROMIS!

http://ladefense.free.fr/1/14.jpg

Frankfurt's best, skip the rest
http://www.zielske-photographie.de/fotos/frank/frankfurt1/121.jpg

http://www.zielske-photographie.de/fotos/frank/frankfurt2/107.jpg

At #1 is Frankfurt definetly, it pisses over the rest in Europe and over a big part in the rest of the world. It's just PURE quality... C'mon...

Future =

#1. Frankfurt... till 2050 at least... (it's about quality, not quantity)
#2. Moscow (although not sure, i've seen some renderings of the skyline in 2010, impressive)
#3. Errr... London looks like it's going to have some great designs and very good quality scrapers in the future (plus they have some tight stylish ones right now)...

Some cities to look out for:

#1. The Hague (again it's about quality, not quantity, The Hague is going to get some great designed towers and already has a bunch of nice ones)
#2. Madrid maybe ???
#3. Fill in... ???

Before i get a shitload of negative comments all over me about wich cities should be in my list... Everyone knows Amsterdam, Paris, Rotterdam, Warsaw etc. already =)

my list:)

1= frankfurt
2= paris
3= istanbul
4= rotterdam
5= london
6= warsaw
7= moscow
8= vienna
9= the hague
10= brussels
11= madrid
12= amsterdam
13= benidorm

1)Frankfurt
2)Paris
3)London(NO1 in the future)
4)Warsaw
5)Rotterdam
6)Istanbul
7)Moscow
8)Madrid
9)Vienna
10)Benidorm
11)Naples

Everyone seems to forget Moscow....

If they really gonna built te Tower of Russia and also all the other already UC-buildings taken into account, Moscow will definately be the future no.1 of Europe. This city has the potential to overrun the others on a very short term.

On this moment.

1. Frankfurt. (highest)
2. Paris (most dense and impresssive)
3. London ( still expanding density)
4. Istanbul ( still expanding density)
5. Warsaw ( high.)
6. Rotterdam ( impressive but much more high in planning)

:)

ok, it's debatable, but moscow already has the highest building if we don't count commerzbank's spire. I think moscow is already in the top 5. and madrid is coming fast aswell...

Thats very generous to Rotterdam Frits85

Nel blu dipinto di blu, felice di stare la su

Una musica dolce suonava soltanto per me

VOOOOOOOOOLAAAAAARE.... OOOOOOOOOO-OOOOOOOOOO!!!

CAAAAAAAAANTAAAAAARE.... OOO-OOO-OOO-OOOOOOOOO!!!

http://wowturkey.com/tr16/Burc_siluet.jpg

PENSO CHE UN SOGNO COSI, NON RITORNI MAI PIUUUUUUUU...

P.S.: The 62-floor Diamonds of Istanbul "triples" are rising right in the middle of this pic:

http://wowturkey.com/tr16/Burc_siluet2.jpg

Asi, please send me some of the heavy drugs you're using!

La droga che mi fa cosi felice e' la bellezza di CostantiNapoli... :)

Guys, I know it may sound like a Sacrilege for any highrise fan to post the outdated and old-fashioned highrises of Athens but, a couple of months ago I was found on a hill in Piraeus called "Profitis Ilias" (Prophet Helias, that is) with my new digital toy and, wanting to play with the zoom, here's what I captured.

Now, It took some touch-up to the pic to make it postable but it's a strange photo and you can see the most weird combination of all, that is, the Acropolis looking next to skyscrapers. Of course, the tall buildings (None of them taller that 100m but, at a considerably higher altitude that the Acropolis due to the basin-like terrain of Athens), have been "compressed" and "stuck" next to the Acropolis or hide behind the hills, due to the high magnification / zoom of the pic.

Of course, the new Olympic Complex is to the far north and hidden behind the tallest hill of all to the left of the pic, the mighty 250m-tall Lycabettus Hill.

I have the suspicion though that this is a good picture after all, as is the next which depicts some of the attempts made in the 1970's to build some highrises in Athens. Quite an interesting perspective I might say...

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm2263/19249/265424/0/Athens+Skyline+from+Profitis+Ilias+1-medium.jpg

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm2263/19249/265434/0/Athens+Skyline+from+Profitis+Ilias+2-Medium.jpg

Sorry About the downloading time - I hope you enjoyed them

http://skyscrapercity.com/images/forumheaders/27.jpg

1) Alberobello :D
2) Frankfurt
3) Paris
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Zoom out... :D

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz003.JPG

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz000.JPG

Location: Close to the Black Sea entrance of the Bosphorus, in European Istanbul.

From the same spot: Black Sea entrance of the Bosphorus (and a Lockheed Martin radar tower):

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz010.JPG

Genoese Castle (1282) guarding the Black Sea entrance:

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz012.JPG

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz011.JPG

F.S.M. (Second Bosphorus) Bridge (1988):

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz004.JPG

The bay at left is the base of Turkish Navy's fast attack missile corvettes (42 knots) carrying Harpoon SSMs. Another Lockheed Martin radar tower is seen behind, towards the left of the tanker ship:

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz005.JPG

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz006.JPG

Pan right:

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz002.JPG

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz001.JPG

Asimov, you've made your point: your top 20 is
1. Istanbul

So stop your irritating posts.

@ Asim:

Are the above pics taken from anywhere close to the Dardanelles strait? I had some excellent fish and wine at a restaurant there (or was it on the opposite side?)... This is a nice spot for taking pics. You won't find that many spots where Levent and Maslak are so well visually interweaved.

Gregory mou, these pics were taken from the north of Istanbul (where the Bosphorus meets the Black Sea)

It's not possible to see Istanbul from the Dardanelles (which remains far south - there's an entire Sea of Marmara in between)

The Bosphorus resembles the Dardanelles very much (same landscape, castles, etc.) but the Dardanelles is a lot more wider than the Bosphorus.

They'll build a suspension bridge on the Dardanelles, and it will be a lot longer than the bridges on the Bosphorus.

Excellent pics of Athens BTW, from a completely new angle. :okay:

@Bass: I only wanted to show how far away from the city that skyline pic was taken from.

from this point Istanbul's skyline looks... kick ass! wow! never seen this one
http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/memrebogaz000.JPG

Warsaw 2004:

http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Tapety/tapeta27.jpg http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Tapety/tapeta29.jpg

Warsaw 2006:

http://yanme.fm.interia.pl/rrr.jpg

Warsaw doesn't have a cluster, it is hard to make picture with all skyscrapers on it. At picture above, 3 over 100m. buildings are missing, and more lower. So I think that pictures can't give the real view of Warsaw skyline.

My list:
1.Frankfurt
2.Paryz
3.Stambul
---
4.Londyn
5.Warszawa
6.Rotterdam
7.Wieden
8.Madryt
9.Neapol
10.Bruksela

In the near future Moscow will reach top 3. Cities which will develop/double their skyline soon are:Wilno,Poznan,Lodz,maybe Kiev(?)

pzdr

Warsaw doesn't have a cluster, it is hard to make picture with all skyscrapers on it. At picture above, 3 over 100m. buildings are missing, and more lower. So I think that pictures can't give the real view of Warsaw skyline.
It's not quite the truth.
On this pic there are most of the Warsaw highrises including 5 tallest.
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama15.jpg

It's not quite the truth.
On this pic there are most of the Warsaw highrises including 5 tallest.
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama15.jpg

Hm, we still can't admire buildings of Electrim (150m), Intraco(138m),Forum Hotel(111m), Babka Tower(105m). Imagine how would it looks like with those towers! :eek2: The only way to make real cluster is to fill the gaps with new skyscrapers and make the most magnificent skyline between Azores and Ural :)

pzdr

Hm, we still can't admire buildings of Electrim (150m), Intraco(138m),Forum Hotel(111m), Babka Tower(105m). Imagine how would it looks like with those towers! :eek2: The only way to make real cluster is to fill the gaps with new skyscrapers and make the most magnificent skyline between Azores and Ural :)

pzdr
It's hard to argue with someone from Warsaw but Electrim is 140m tall, Intraco is 107m tall, Forum is 106m tall and there is nothing special about this buildings.
In all big cities it's impossible to take pic appearing all highrises simply because they aren't standing in one line.
Warsaw in next 10 years for sure wouldn't has best skyline in Europe. Far future is unpredictable.

Frankfurt Rotterdam and Paris (London a littlebit too) have a skyline, a city does'nt need extremely beautiful or tall buildings to have a skyline. I think a lot of people only look at the buildings (especially the hight), instead of the completement of the skyline...

my top 5.

1. Frankfurt
2. Paris
3. Rotterdam
4. Istanbul
5. Warsaw

yeah!!!! its nice to see Tallinn in there... also Vilnius WOW! man... vilnius has become so nice so fast... i'd like to move there! :) but yeah... still Tallinn and vilnius are too small.. but groth is fast... and soon... who knows... if the ban on buildings(in Tallinn) taller then Oleviste church comes off, we might get "real skyscrapers" one day, oh... and by the way, the Oleviste church ban is totally unheardof... its just so stupid, i like to shub the ban up my gov's - u know what... well... not only becoz its just so stupid... they say, that because of historic events and times we wont build bigger, but just because of that i must say: the original height of the tower was 159m. So... u get the ban up to there or u take it off! Well ofcourse its sad to see a tall building blocking the picturesque old town, but they are NOT blocking anything, the buildings are all planned so that they wont block the towers and the red-top-roofing of the old town!
Ahhh still sad...

sorry for the type-o's

TOP EUROPEAN SKYLINES:

1. FRANKFURT (HIGH, DENSE, MODERN)
2. PARIS (DENSE, MODERN)
3. LONDON (MANY BULDINGS)
4. WARSZWA (MODERN)
5. BERLIN (MANY BULDINGS COMING UP NEXT YEARS)
6. MOSKOW (MANY BULDINGS COMING UP NEXT YEARS)
7. ROTTERDAM (MANY BULDINGS COMING UP NEXT YEARS)


ANYWAY: ISTANBUL -> NOTHING TO DO WITH EUROPE !!!!! :dance:

Idiot!I would understand if you say "Turkey has nothing to do with Europe" but Istanbul is located in europe.

How can you put Berlin ahead of Moscow and Rotterdam?!

This is the proof of what I said in my last post ;)

1 Frankfurt
2 Paris, London, Stanbull

Brussels deserves a spot in the top 10! At least if you look at all the buildings together

1. Franfurt, big and beautyfull

2. Paris, middle sized and very beautyfull

3. Istanbul, large and yes Istanbul is in Europe.

4. London, actually 4th, but catching up

5. Warsaw, nice but not so great

6. Moscow, catching up but not yet so great

7. Rotterdam, nice but not as important as than the others

8. Benidorm, ugly but dense.

The rest doesn't matter much.


In 2010

1st: Moscow, impressive supertall and very moderns.

2nd. Franfurt, depending is MAX, Millenium tower and other stuffs are built.

3rd. London, maybe 2nd depending of Franfurt projects.

4th. Istanbul

5th Paris

6th Warsaw

7th Madrid (with the 4 talls towers, not much a skyline but they will be so nice)

8th Rotterdam

9th Benidorm

with minerva, lime street, lbt, and 110 bishopsgate, heron plaza all looking at starting in the next six months london overtakes frankfurt and every other european city by a long way. assuming columbus starts too and if the word about 122 leadenhall is true too then the lead grows even more.
so next year london will have the following buildings u/c for sure -
310m - LBT
216m - Minerva
183m - 110 Bishopsgate
125m - Lime Street
and possibly these ones -
239m - Columbus Tower
226m - Leadenhall Building

I really don't understand why people put Warsaw and Moscow before Rotterdam. Not because I'm dutch, but just check out the view:
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/mini/sk_0018k.jpg
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/mini/sk_0019k.jpg
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/fotos/sk_0026.jpg
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/mini/sk_0024k.jpg
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/fotos/sk_0023.jpg
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/fotos/sk_0051.jpg
http://www.skylinerotterdam.info/skyline/fotos/sk_0054.jpg

I'm sorry, but Moscow and Warsaw just can't beat that right now!
And London neither.
I'm not saying that those cities aren't beautiful, because they are, but skyline-wise, Rotterdam is better.

with minerva, lime street, lbt, and 110 bishopsgate, heron plaza all looking at starting in the next six months london overtakes frankfurt and every other european city by a long way. assuming columbus starts too and if the word about 122 leadenhall is true too then the lead grows even more.
so next year london will have the following buildings u/c for sure -
310m - LBT
216m - Minerva
183m - 110 Bishopsgate
125m - Lime Street
and possibly these ones -
239m - Columbus Tower
226m - Leadenhall Building
all i ever hear from london is its gonna start real soon, real soon, but actually nothing is being built.

I really don't understand why people put Warsaw and Moscow before Rotterdam.
I can say I don't understand why anyone put Rotterdam before Warsaw. It depends only on impressions.
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama19.jpg
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama20.jpg
http://62.29.248.133/chris/warsaw/pictures/0756b.jpg
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama17.jpg
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama18.jpg
http://arbiter.pl/files/g/2_1137_wiezowce.jpg
http://62.29.248.133/chris/warsaw/pictures/0853b.jpg

I really don't understand why people put Warsaw and Moscow before Rotterdam.

I'm sorry, but Moscow and Warsaw just can't beat that right now!
And London neither.
I'm not saying that those cities aren't beautiful, because they are, but skyline-wise, Rotterdam is better.

Some people like Warsaw skyline more than Rotterdam, some people think that Rotterdam skyline is better - no problem.

I like Warsaw skyline more (probably is also becouse of the fact that it's my home city ;) )

Warsaw skyscrapers are higher, and Palace of Culture makes the skyline very unique :righton:

http://www.plfoto.com/old_zdjecia/182551.jpg http://www.plfoto.com/zdjecia/263513.jpg

If only it would be more dense... I agree that it's just a matter of opinion... but come on, Moscow!

Yeah matter of opinion. I haven't been to Warsaw yet but I don't really like the towers, they're a bit blocky. Which one, Warsaw or Rotterdam? I can't tell, judging on pictures easily Warsaw, but Rotterdam looks way better in real life (which is pretty special). But maybe that's also so for Warsaw.

If only it would be more dense... I agree that it's just a matter of opinion... but come on, Moscow!
It will be more dense in 2005 after completion of Rondo 1 and Golden Terraces.
:soon::D
http://www.rondo1.pl/img/home/popup_warsaw_city.jpg

Rondo 1
http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/rondo01.jpg
http://www.wiezowce.bajo.pl/warszawa/rondo2.jpg
http://mitglied.lycos.de/hotttt/a15.jpg
http://62.29.248.133/chris/warsaw/pictures/0851b.jpg
http://www.zdjeciacudaka.pulsnet.pl/Budowy/Pict0738.jpg

Golden Terraces
http://www.zlotetarasy.pl/images_galery/image8.jpg
http://www.zlotetarasy.pl/images_galery/image1.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/wiezowce/rondo.jpg

rudi, thats because contracts have to be awarded, sites have to be demolished before construction starts. in the uk this alone takes about six months. normally construction seems to start a year after approval.
right now demolition is underway for lime street (125m) and is scheduled for lbt from july, minerva from november, columbus is expected to start in october, 110 bishopsgate early next year.
we're back to the situation we were in in 2001. we ended up with six towers u/c within six months of that :)

i only believe in a skyscraper when i see it rising.

however, by saying london overtakes any other european city, do you mean by buildings u/c or by the actual skyline?

Rudi is simply jealous of London.;)

I also yet have to see London developing. It's not like I don't believe all the 'scrapers going up but still... I think Canary Wharf's skyline will never be that good (I don't like CW at all). The city's skyline is superduper tho ;)

Rudi is simply jealous of London.;)
No he see things realistic - and he see .... nothing.

No he see things realistic - and he see .... nothing.
Remember @tigi first there will be... a hole.:lol:

no not actual skyline, london wont do that for a couple more years. tallest buildings in london currently u/c are 156m and 133m tall. this time next year for certain it will be 310m, 217m and 183m. these are done deals, they are down on paper, in the very least 8 towers over 100m tall are starting in the next twelve months, depending on the market this figure could double. i forgot to mention the 181m tall st georges wharf which is currently going to a public inquiry and should go through and start construction early next year, i wasnt counting that one though.
london already has 33 towers of over 100m or over compared to frankfurts 26, warsaws 17 or rotterdams 14. only paris has more, substantially so.
frankfurt has a greater number of taller buildings than paris, paris lacks in height but has a lot of mid rise stuff, whereas frankfurt has little midrise stuff. london is almost as tall as frankfurt (overtaking sometime next year), and is rapidly catching paris in the midrise stakes.
if you add up the actual heights of say the top 30 tallest buildings in every city to see how they compare (excluding observation/telecoms towers, and clock towers/cathedrals/parliaments so skyscrapers only) the scores are currently for buildings complete or u/c as follows -
frankfurt - 4179
london - 4073
rotterdam - 3104
paris - 4230
warsaw - 3351
london isnt ahead yet, i think frankfurt and paris still have better skylines thanks to them having more or less everything in the same place, but its obvious from what is in the pipelines for all these cities london will be by this time next year if you think cores are part of the skyline, if you dont then wait another year. the absolute minimum score for london this time next year will be 4540. frankfurt will probably be on the same score it is now and paris on just over 4300. a best case scenario gives london a score of 4841. to put things in perspective, in 1999 london had two buildings over 150m, now it has 9. next year this total will be 12 minimum, anything up to 15 or 16.
i suggest you visit the uk forums to find out more. there's plenty of pictures and talk of demolitions right now and its quite clear the backlog of projects we have is starting to come online now thanks to the massive increase in rental activity.

Cool comparision Gothicform. That seems to be a very correct one. By the way Rotterdam has 13 100+ers instead of 14 (including u/c's)

Tank you @gothicform for very interesting informatons.:)

i suggest you visit the uk forums to find out more. there's plenty of pictures and talk of demolitions right now and its quite clear the backlog of projects we have is starting to come online now thanks to the massive increase in rental activity.
will i meet nick taylor there? anyway, ill give it a try.
thats an interesting statistic; its not all about numbers though what makes a skyline impressive.
also frankfurt is not totally stagnant, maybe some german member who knows more about the stuff can add some info

Idiot!I would understand if you say "Turkey has nothing to do with Europe" but Istanbul is located in europe.

@ Messiah

You are not a specialist in Politics, right ??? :bash:


(But Ok, geographical you may be more right Man)

frankfurt has lots of proposals but little looks like starting in the next 12 months. i miscounted the rotterdam one, i counted the top cell of the spreadsheet too :)
the visual impact is why i say frankfurt and paris still have better skylines than london, london has canary wharf and the city so the buildings are split between the two, stick them all in one place and its about equal to frankfurt and ahead of paris.
london is reaching the point statistically of overtaking in the next 12 months for certain, possibly visually but that depends on whether we get worst case, or best case. in the best case scenario london gets the two top skylines in europe (the city and canary wharf) in the worst case its up to you to decide for yourself and its a pretty close run.
if you dont want to hang around with nick taylor then just check out the news section of my site at www.skyscrapernews.com/newsindex.htm and you can see whats what.

How can you put Berlin ahead of Moscow and Rotterdam?!

@ Kampflamm - Maybe this decision for Berlin was a little bit patriotism, but I even thought that Berlin has the big "Fernsehturm", three Potsdamer Platz Skyscrsapers and as I posted many prosposals like Moskow. But you`re more right - Moskow has a bigger TV Tower (Ostankino TV Tower) and many Prosposals will be build AND will be high. Yeah Rotterdam is coming up - but imo it`s not so nice because Rotterdam is (imo) an industrial City like Hamburg because of the big Ports, Cranes and Oil Pipelines...

Maybe some other will find this especially Beautiful... :drunk:

@ All - Istanbul is a big, great City. But what ASIMOV is posting here is ONLY a very difuse, complicated Mix of PATRIOTISM (I am Patriot, too) and some CRAZY Sentences like ISTANBUL - ONLY CITY IN THE HOLE WORLD. :bash:

@ gothicform - I think you are right with the Dates for the next 12 month. Waht I am wondering about is that London has many many prosposals and a good number of Bldngs U/C. But in the most Internet Forms there are only posted the BIGGEST Skyscaper Projects. I was in London last Winter and I saw some interesting Housing Skyscraper Projects. But why (Hell) it`s so hard to find good informations and Dates about Commieblocks U/C in London ???

commie blocks in london are being demolished at a massive rate. there used to be hundreds more than there is now. i dont know where you could find info on them. i believe one london borough alone has demolished over 80.
there's so many prposals for london between say 60-100m if we posted them all we'd need half a dozen threads with dozens of buildings on each, my site has some details on some of them, or check out britannias excellent thread he made to see just whats approved or u/c. we keep discovering new projects around the 60-80m all the time. ive discovered two new ones so far this week! they are so common place no-one even bats an eyelid.

commie blocks in london are being demolished at a massive rate...

Thats an interesting Fact. Because what I heard in LD from British Citisens was something else. They told me that there are many Housing Skyscrapers will be build in the next few Years.
And I saw the big big PLUS of London. London has many Habitants inside the "old historical City" around the Tower of London until Buckingham Palace.
So everytime the Day there is real Live on the Streets. :cheers:

But Canry Wharf (mainly Office Towers) was somekind of dead after eight in the evening.
(But thats the "Kissmet" of the most new City Quarters)

@ Kampflamm - Maybe this decision for Berlin was a little bit patriotism, but I even thought that Berlin has the big "Fernsehturm", three Potsdamer Platz Skyscrsapers and as I posted many prosposals like Moskow. But you`re more right - Moskow has a bigger TV Tower (Ostankino TV Tower) and many Prosposals will be build AND will be high. Yeah Rotterdam is coming up - but imo it`s not so nice because Rotterdam is (imo) an industrial City like Hamburg because of the big Ports, Cranes and Oil Pipelines...

When I'm in Rotterdam I don't feel anything of the Big Ports, Cranes and Oil Pipelines, thats on the other side of the city. Or atleast thats how it feels to me.
And about London I have the feeling that the city is to big and to historical for an beautiful skyline. Al the nice buildings are spread to much...

non of those cities are skyscraper capitals of europe but yeah I can see that London is improving lots and warzaw as well but the skyline king of europe is frankfurt end of disscusion

housing skyscrapers arent commie blocks in my book. commie blocks are fucking big grey ugly concrete things from the 60s, commie as in communist style architecture.

Yeah Rotterdam is coming up - but imo it`s not so nice because Rotterdam is (imo) an industrial City like Hamburg because of the big Ports, Cranes and Oil Pipelines...

You've been to Rotterdam? The ports stretch all the way to the sea, which is about 25 km away from the centre. Oil pipelines, you wouldn't even see the difference. Maybe you mean oil pipes (chimneys) then I can agree a tiny bit, but from the overwhelming most places in the city you don't see them. In German cities it's way worse, because they're not really centralized around there, more put in a big area. Cranes, what's bad about that?

I dont`t want to make you all angry people... This is my opinion, maybe other posters have other Opinions... That`s no Problem, isn`t it ??? :drunk:

I'm not angry at all... I just asked a question. And I accept your opinion but I want some arguments...

Rudi Völler - Unless your a clone of someone we all know I don't see why you have anything to fear from me....unless you want to start a discussion that interests you :yes:

Few cities have the ideal setting for the magic formula: Skyscrapers + Suspension Bridges + Forests + Historic Buildings + Sea

http://wowturkey.com/tr16/Anil_fsm_levent.jpg

http://wowturkey.com/tr16/Anil_fsm_etiler_zincirlikuyu.jpg

Rudi Völler - Unless your a clone of someone we all know I don't see why you have anything to fear from me....unless you want to start a discussion that interests you :yes:
just a small joke, nick. actually you are a good boy.
btw im surprised you can make that ö with your british keyboard!

oh and asimov why dont you include all that twaddle in your sig, i swear you could save a lot of time

double

@ Messiah

You are not a specialist in Politics, right ??? :bash:


(But Ok, geographical you may be more right Man)

What have skyscrapers to do with politics?You can't say Istanbul's skyscrapers aren't in europe because it's not part of the EU :wallbash: Maybe you don't want to see Turkey in the EU,it's your own opinion but Istanbul is part of europe.

What have skyscrapers to do with politics?You can't say Istanbul's skyscrapers aren't in europe because it's not part of the EU. Maybe you don't want to see Turkey in the EU,it's your own opinion but Istanbul is part of europe.

First - The Problem for me is that Turkey is not in the EU, yet. That`s FACT Man. F-A-C-T !!! OK ???

Second - Remember the Discussion is "Top Twenty EUROPEAN Skylines"

Think about it...

P.S. - (I like Turkey anyway. Nice Countrysides and Cities there. But People like Asimov and Messiah will not be so good for representation)

I still don't understand your problem.Why did you say first Istanbul was not part of europe but after you say Istanbul is geo. in europe but not political blah blah... How can a city be political european?


"Second - Remember the Discussion is "Top Twenty EUROPEAN Skylines"
As you said "Top Twenty EUROPEAN skylines and not Top Twenty EU Skylines.
So where's the problem with Istanbul and europe?

"P.S. - (I like Turkey anyway. Nice Countrysides and Cities there. But People like Asimov and Messiah will not be so good for representation)"

This hurts man!I'm not like Asimov or Tekir.I'm not like "We're the best,we have the best ..." You can read my old posts if you want to.

@CityHai you propably know that Adenauer considered Berlin Asian city.:) There isn't one good deffinition of Europe.

if 0.1% of a country is in one continent and 99.9% of the country is in another continent which continent is the country in? the european side of istanbul is separated by the sea and makes up a tiny percentage of the total landmass, can we claim that the uk is infact an asian country because we own diego garcia, perhaps the uk could be an african country or a south american country, why dont the spanish say they are african as they have a tiny sliver of coast off there, the americans have iraq which makes them an arab country and so on and so on? why are turks so ashamed to be what they are, its like michael jackson wanting to be white.
the fact of the matter is the vast amount of turkey's landmass, and population lives in asia minor just as the vast amount of british landmass is in europe, just because turks here say they are european doesnt make it so and if they think they are id urge them to trek out of their major cities and into the more rural areas so they can see where the majority of turks live and what they really are - arab.

if 0.1% of a country is in one continent and 99.9% of the country is in another continent which continent is the country in? the european side of istanbul is separated by the sea and makes up a tiny percentage of the total landmass, can we claim that the uk is infact an asian country because we own diego garcia, perhaps the uk could be an african country or a south american country, why dont the spanish say they are african as they have a tiny sliver of coast off there, the americans have iraq which makes them an arab country and so on and so on? why are turks so ashamed to be what they are, its like michael jackson wanting to be white.
the fact of the matter is the vast amount of turkey's landmass, and population lives in asia minor just as the vast amount of british landmass is in europe, just because turks here say they are european doesnt make it so and if they think they are id urge them to trek out of their major cities and into the more rural areas so they can see where the majority of turks live and what they really are - arab.But the majority of Istanbul's population live on the European side. Istanbul's historic core is in Europe. Istanbul's Asian side is merely recent suburbs that were largely developed after the construction of the two large Bosphorus suspension bridges.

And Turks have never been Arab at all. Turks are a Turkic people originating from the steppes of Central Asia. Arabs are a semitic people from err.... Arabia. They are racially completely different.

@ Monkey - "And Turks have never been Arab at all."

For Real ? Maybe you`re Religion is Chritian ??? :wallbash:

@ gothicform - after all our diffrences amd discussions about what ever. Your post up there "is speaking from my Heart" !!!
I want to tell that the Turkish members, but they (especially Asimov) only answered in the Canon "Istanbul is European and Turkey will be also..." :wallbash:

Anyway Thänx gothicform for your very good Reply :)

@ messiah - I understand you`re Problems with my Opinion.

(I only want to say what gothicform did as well in the Post above)

P.S. - I take back the Comparism between you and Asimov as well as Tekir

OK ? :drunk:

@ Monkey - "And Turks have never been Arab at all."

For Real ? Maybe you`re Religion is Chritian ??? :wallbash:


Monkey is right, Turks never been arabs at all.

@CityHai




You have a very big problem, because you have any information about Turks, but talk about them. My oppinion to you is , please vist an med.

Turks are not Arabic thats a factum. OK
Turks are European thats factum, OK
Turks are Muslim thats factum, OK
Turks are a part of EU thats factum, OK
Turks are Modern thats factum, OK

@3mperor
Turks are not a part of EU. That's a fact, OK?
It's a matter of opinion if Turks are European, so you can't say that's fact!

gone forever...

....

We aren't european,we have our own culture,we don't belong to any region (eruope or mideast) we just want to join an union which is based on politics and economy,that's all.You can't tell me that the EU can't trda wit a muslim country or have some connections!

if 0.1% of a country is in one continent and 99.9% of the country is in another continent which continent is the country in? the european side of istanbul is separated by the sea and makes up a tiny percentage of the total landmass, can we claim that the uk is infact an asian country because we own diego garcia, perhaps the uk could be an african country or a south american country, why dont the spanish say they are african as they have a tiny sliver of coast off there, the americans have iraq which makes them an arab country and so on and so on? why are turks so ashamed to be what they are, its like michael jackson wanting to be white.
the fact of the matter is the vast amount of turkey's landmass, and population lives in asia minor just as the vast amount of british landmass is in europe, just because turks here say they are european doesnt make it so and if they think they are id urge them to trek out of their major cities and into the more rural areas so they can see where the majority of turks live and what they really are - arab.

Gothicform,once more!No turk is ashemed of being what he is!We aren't europeans,we don't have an european culture BUT we want to join the EU that's all.There is a difference between joining an union and not accepting our history or culture.If the goverment of Turkey wants to join the EU than this doesn't mean we are ashemed of our roots and want to be a "wannabe-european".I don't know any other nation which is so proud of their history and of everything actually

Turks are European thats factum, OK

Turks are a part of EU thats factum, OK

...no

Kampflamm is right!We aren't european and we aren't part of the EU.(noch nicht Kampflamm ;) )

Ok cut the Turkey EU discussion (offcourse you can include Istanbul in this topic). Here are some impressions of Rotterdam in a few years:

The current center in a few years

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5814/toekomst.jpg

The Kop van Zuid (a sort of new part of the centre) in a few years, look at http://www.tbi.nl/stadsgeluiden/ , a must see, looks totally cool.

@ All - I think it`s Time to End these "Arab-Turk-EU-Istanbuls-best-and-only City-Discussion"...

Rotterdam will look soo cool within a few years!

Yes, Rotterdam will kick ass!!

Yea, Rotterdam looks very good! But will be better to see there one or two supertalls;)

I don't think that will come anytime soon... I think the future situation is very good, with no dominant pieces in the skyline.

Of the eight new towers 3 are already u/c, the brown Coopvaert, the white Scheepmakerstoren (both around 100 m) and the tower to the right of the three white towers (ernst and young, 70 m.).
Behind the Coopvaert Witte keizer is u/c (70 m.) which won't be important from this angle..

Further, Pricewaterhousecoopers and T-gebouw EUR (both 70 m.) are u/c to the right of this picture, Scheepsvaart en Transport-college (60 m.?) to the left of this picture. And we also got Queen of the South (70 m.) which is u/c to the other side.

Then the Kop van Zuid ('new part of the centre')

Future

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/skyscrapercity-zuid.jpg

Montevideo (150 m.) and Compagnie (2x 55 m.) are u/c in the Kop van Zuid area... both not on the pic. In the future all the white towers will rise too (although they still all are 150 m. on this pic, there will now be 2x 150m. and 3 x 70 m.). The whitish building behind the KPN telecom tower will be 135 m. ...

Being a Turkish, I can admit very easily that only 5% of our land is in Europe So we can be considered as Asians. But you Europeans make us feel like we're European as you allow us to compete in UEFA, Euro champ., Eurovision etc. and allow us to have our members in European council (not European Union!). We just want to be a part of the union for our benefits despite we're not European just like Israel, Armenia, Kazakhistan etc joining Euro football and Eurovision(Israel).

And for the main subject, Rotterdam looks really cool.

Tops
Frankfurt
London
Paris
Istanbul
Rotterdam
Warsaw

Ok cut the Turkey EU discussion (offcourse you can include Istanbul in this topic). Here are some impressions of Rotterdam in a few years:

The current center in a few years

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5814/toekomst.jpg

The Kop van Zuid (a sort of new part of the centre) in a few years, look at http://www.tbi.nl/stadsgeluiden/ , a must see, looks totally cool.
Wow! :eek2:
Good for Rotterdam. It will be one of few real skylines in Europe, and @coth I don't think it's obvious that one or two taller towers would be better.
In Warsaw we do our best to don't drop behind Rotterdam.;)

why petr? here is need to build only few building to support supertall

:D
http://coth.hotbox.ru/toekomst.jpg

(1)Paris,most impressive,and most pretty in my opinion.Amoung looking for "big" you should search for something more in architecture

(2)Frankfurt,just great:)

(3)London is crazy modern,and thats it!!:)
(4)Istambul,not in my type,is borring,but better(have some nice "buildings") then ours in Warsaw

(5)Warsaw
(6)Rotterdam ,very differential.
(7)

coth@
In my opinion to improve the skyline in rather small city as Rotterdam it's better to build 10 100-150 m towers than 2 200-250 towers. That's how I feel it.

Not 10 100 - 150 m. towers. We already got enough of them (coming up). I´d say a few 200 m. and one 300. m maybe. But first they have to build the towers, some aren´t going as smoothly as I hoped.

By the way some people ask if there even áre studies for supertalls. I've got to dissapoint them, there aren't really. Only this one (>200 m.?) which is NOT recent.

http://www.ubikmh.nl/plaatjes/projects/pier1.jpg

Fantastic design though... oh and thise one, 225 m. (same location though...)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/database/buildings/191.jpg

I think Rotterdam is to small city for really tall buildings simply because there isn't enough big demand for office surfaces. In Warsaw we have the same problem: untill Rondo 1 is under construction and it's office surfaces aren't hired yet, there is small possibility that other investor will start another big investment.
Sorry for my English.

Istanbul,Maslak

http://dunyaturk.com/tr17/MeReK_IMGP4801.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr17/MeReK_IMGP4805.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr16/MeReK_IMGP4756.jpg

Istanbul sisli costructions,

http://dunyaturk.com/tr14/Burc_sisli_denizden.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr17/wwwsercande_Sisli31.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr14/Burc_sisli_0656.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr17/memocan_sisli01.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr17/wwwsercande_Sisli33.jpg

1 paris
2 frankfurt
3 rotterdam
4 london
5 warschau

istanbul skyline from turkbalon

http://dunyaturk.com/tr16/wwwsercande_TurkBalon34.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr16/wwwsercande_TurkBalon35.jpg

http://dunyaturk.com/tr16/wwwsercande_TurkBalon32.jpg

Levent skyline by night,

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/levent6371.jpg

The real top 10 !..

1. Paris
2. Istanbul
2. Frankfurt
2. London
3. Warsaw
4. Rotterdam
5. Moscow
6. Brussels
7. Madrid
8. Vienna
9. Benidorm
10 Naples

The asian side of istanbul,

http://wowturkey.com/tr18/memocan_kozyatagi02.jpg

http://wowturkey.com/tr18/memocan_kozyatagi01.jpg

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/balon2748.jpg

http://www.dunyaturk.com/wow2/upload/balon2759.jpg

http://wowturkey.com/tr18/memocan_camlicamanzara07.jpg

http://wowturkey.com/tr18/memocan_camlicamanzara08.jpg

http://wowturkey.com/tr18/memocan_camlicamanzara09.jpg

I tottaly agree with your top 10!!!!!!!!!

Istanbul no.2??
our problem is that we have 3 diffrent skyscraper districts (in the european part)...the distance between the skyscraper district is to big....maybe 2-5 km

and istanbul has less 150m+ towers than london, frankfurt, or paris, and also nothing over 185m tall unlike london, frankfurt, and paris.

yes gothicform. The skyline of Istanbul might be impressive but it is definitly not nr. 2 in Europe. no way!

and istanbul has less 150m+ towers than london, frankfurt, or paris, and also nothing over 185m tall unlike london, frankfurt, and paris.
Back to statistic? ok

Built or u/c, with finishing in 2004, over 150 meters


Moscow - 12
Paris - 12
Frankfurt - 10
London - 9
Istanbul - 7
Warsaw - 4

So different between London and Istanbul very minimal

Istanbul has 6 x 150+ completed buildings and 4 x 150m+ U/C

according to ssp data
built or u/c planed to finish in 2004 over 150 meters.

Built
Is Bankasi Tower 1
Tekstilkent Plaza 1
Tekstilkent Plaza 2
Akbank Tower
Süzer Plaza Ritz-Carlton
Polat Tower Residence

u/c
Sisli Plaza

more u/c towers
Diamond of Istanbul, 2007
Maslak Teras Tower 1, 2005

Yeah Coth I think so...

what do you think so?

@ coth - The difference between messiah (4 Bldngs. U/C) and your statistic.

Only three over 150 m U/C:


Sisli Plaza
Diamond of Istanbul, 2007
Maslak Teras Tower 1, 2005

You understand now? :)

yes

Maslak Teras is the first project of Diamond of Istanbul.

+150m u/c in Istanbul

1.Diamond of Istanbul 200m or 260m 50 or 62 storeys
2.Sisli Plaza 48 storeys 170 or 200m
3.Istanbul Canyon1 36 st. 150m

+150m built in Istanbul

1. Isbank Tower 181 m 52 st
2. Tekstilkent Plaza 1 168 m 44 st
3. Tekstilkent Plaza 2 168 m 44 st
4. Akbank Tower 158 m 39 st
5. Süzer Plaza Ritz-Carlton 154 m 34 st
6. Polat Tower Residence 153 m 42 st

mine

1. Rotterdam (easy)
2. Frankfurt
3. Paris
4. London
5. Warsaw
6. Madrid
7. Barcelona
8. Benidorm
9. Istanbul
10. Valencia

Istanbul:

COMPLETED:

1) Isbank Tower 1: 52 floors, 181 m
2) Tekstilkent 1: 44 floors, 168 m
3) Tekstilkent 2: 44 floors, 168 m
4) Akbank Tower: 39 floors, 158 m
5) The Ritz-Carlton: 34 floors, 154 m
6) Polat Tower: 42 floors, 153 m

UNDER CONSTRUCTION:

1) Diamonds of Istanbul 1: 55 (50 tower+5 retail) floors, 230 m
2) Diamonds of Istanbul 2: 50 (45 tower+5 retail) floors, 210 m
3) Sisli Plaza: 48 floors, (170 m without decorative spire) 200 m
4) Diamonds of Istanbul 3: 45 (40 tower+5 retail) floors, 190 m
5) Istanbul Canyon 1: 36 floors, 150 m

ON HOLD:

1) 2050 WTC 1: 62 floors, 250 m
2) 2050 WTC 2: 62 floors, 250 m
3) 2050 WTC 3: 62 floors, 250 m

And a RICH COLLECTION of 140 m towers (I'm not a "500 ft" fetishist - we use meters in Turkey :D)

COMPLETED 140 METER RANGE TOWERS:

1) TAT Tower 1: 34 floors, 143 m
2) TAT Tower 2: 34 floors, 143 m
3) Metrocity 1: 31 floors, 143 m
4) Metrocity 2: 35 floors, 143 m
5) Metrocity 3: 35 floors, 143 m
6) Sisli Elit Residence: 35 floors, 140 m
7) Sabanci Center: 34 floors, 140 m

UNDER CONSTRUCTION 140 METER RANGE TOWERS:

1) Sun Plaza: 38 floors, 145 m (topped out)
2) Prestige Hotel: 38 floors, 140 m

Gothicpoo: Istanbul will BANG London's skyline, BIG TIME! :D

ISTANBUL (+140 m towers):

COMPLETED:

1) Isbank Tower 1: 52 floors, 181 m
2) Tekstilkent 1: 44 floors, 168 m
3) Tekstilkent 2: 44 floors, 168 m
4) Akbank Tower: 39 floors, 158 m
5) The Ritz-Carlton: 34 floors, 154 m
6) Polat Tower: 42 floors, 153 m
7) TAT Tower 1: 34 floors, 143 m
8) TAT Tower 2: 34 floors, 143 m
9) Metrocity 1: 31 floors, 143 m
10) Metrocity 2: 35 floors, 143 m
11) Metrocity 3: 35 floors, 143 m
12) Sisli Elit Residence: 35 floors, 140 m
13) Sabanci Center: 34 floors, 140 m

UNDER CONSTRUCTION:

1) Diamonds of Istanbul 1: 55 (50 tower+5 retail) floors, 230 m
2) Diamonds of Istanbul 2: 50 (45 tower+5 retail) floors, 210 m
3) Sisli Plaza: 48 floors, (170 m without decorative spire) 200 m
4) Diamonds of Istanbul 3: 45 (40 tower+5 retail) floors, 190 m
5) Istanbul Canyon 1: 36 floors, 150 m
6) Sun Plaza: 38 floors, 145 m
7) Prestige Hotel: 38 floors, 140 m

ON HOLD:

1) 2050 WTC 1: 62 floors, 250 m
2) 2050 WTC 2: 62 floors, 250 m
3) 2050 WTC 3: 62 floors, 250 m

TOTAL:

23

(And I'm not even adding the "approved" towers - I don't want to demoralize you guys... :D)

Pfff, now what do you think? That istanbul is going to be a SUPER city. hehe, It won't.

^Moscow also has 23 building built/u-c/holded over 140 meters. And three more will begin in autumn.

Cities in the 500ft (152m) skyscraper range :)


Here is the list from Emporis of all towers: built, u/c, approved, proposed + on-hold:
Frankfurt - 22
London - 19
Istanbul - 17
Moscow - 15
Paris - 1


Cities with skyscrapers: built, u/c, approved:
Frankfurt - 14
Moscow - 14
London - 12
Istanbul - 12
Paris - 1


Biggest risers in "proposal range":
Frankfurt - 8
London - 7
Istanbul - 5
Moscow - 1
Paris - 0

Pfff, now what do you think? That istanbul is going to be a SUPER city. hehe, It won't.

Istanbul (Constantinople) is already a SUPER city, wearing 3 imperial crowns.

Kingdoms may cease to exist, but royalties forever keep their titles - as is the case with Empress Istanbul, the "Basileousa Polis."

Even if Istanbul didn't have a single skyscraper, it would still be a SUPER city. :yes:

It has the biggest collection of medieval churches, medieval castles, large imperial mosques, imperial palaces, the largest Roman stadium, the longest city walls, the biggest collection of Roman aqueducts and cisterns, the oldest shopping mall (which is also the largest building in the world), and an "instantly recognizable" historic skyline.

Unlike your insignificant little "Serskamp" (I even have no idea on where this "city" (?) might be...) :lol:

Probably one of those tiny 50,000 population "towns" somewhere in northern Europe.

This poll is for the BIG GUYS - so beat it, shorty! :D

http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/dreibund05h.JPG

Go and vote for Serskamp at the "MOST INSIGNIFICANT CITY OF EUROPE" poll. :bleh:

Pff, what the fuck has Serskamp got to do with this Asimov? Very weak... Serskamp is in Belgium by the way.

Cities in the 500ft (152m) skyscraper range :)


Here is the list from Emporis of all towers: built, u/c, approved, proposed + on-hold:
Frankfurt - 22
London - 19
Istanbul - 17
Moscow - 15
Paris - 1


Cities with skyscrapers: built, u/c, approved:
Frankfurt - 14
Moscow - 14
London - 12
Istanbul - 12
Paris - 1


Biggest risers in "proposal range":
Frankfurt - 8
London - 7
Istanbul - 5
Moscow - 1
Paris - 0

Nick, many of them just don't have a height

Serskamp is in Belgium by the way.

Thanks pal... I wouldn't be able to find the little thing on the map by myself. :D

( Actually I wouldn't even bother looking at the map for Serskamp. :lol: )

At first Nick. 500ft it is for you round number.
For us it 150m. So I used it.

31 towers.

List for Moscow

#) Name. Floors. Height. Status. Company.

1) Russia Tower. 116f. 648m. approved. Moscow Development Company and City of Moscow Government.
2) Complex Federation tower A. 92f. 345m. under construction. Stroymontage.
3) Parcel 12. 70f. 300m. approved. Techinvest.
4) 1 City Hall and City Duma. 54f. (about 275m). approved. City of Moscow Government and City of Moscow Parliament.
5) 2 City Hall and City Duma. 54f. (about 275m). approved. City of Moscow Government and City of Moscow Parliament.
6) 3 City Hall and City Duma. 54f. (about 275m). approved. City of Moscow Government and City of Moscow Parliament.
7) 4 City Hall and City Duma. 54f. (about 275m). approved. City of Moscow Government and City of Moscow Parliament.
8) One Capital City. 72f. 270m. under construction. Capital Group.
9) Triumph Palace. 54f. 264m. under construction [topped out]. Don Stroy.
10) Naberezhnaya Tower A. 56f. 250m. under construction. ENKA.
11) Complex Federation tower B. 62f. (about 245m). under construction. Stroymontage.
12) Moscow State University. 36f. 240m. built
13) Building in Sokolniki. 54f. (about 236m). under construction. Don Stroy.
14) Two Capital City. 61f. 230m. under construction. Capital Group.
15) Dmitrov highway, 15-16. 56f. (about 230m). approved. Konti.
16) Hotel Ukraine. 29f. 198m. built.
17) Vertical. 50f. 192m. under construction. SpecVysotStroy.
18) Continental. 53f. (about 190m). under construction. Konti.
19) Dominant. 50f. (about 185m). under construction. Barkli.
20) Edelweiss. 43f. 176m. built. Konti.
21) Building on Kotelnicheskaya embankment. 32f. 176m. built. Konti.
22) Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 27f. 172m. built.
23) Crossing of karamyshevskaya and projection bystreet #2062. 43f. (about 170m). approved. Konti.
24) Sparrow Hills tower 1. 48f. (about 168m). under construction [topped out]. Don Stroy.
25) Scarlet Sails block V. 48f. 167m. built. Don Stroy.
26) Town in City tower 1. 44f. (about 165m). approved. Capital Group.
27) Building on Kudrinskaya Square. 25f. 160m. built.
28) Profsoyuznaya street, 156. 40f. (about 155m). approved.
29) Dmitrov highway, 163. 40f. (about 155m). approved.
27) Town in City tower 2. 40f. (about 155m). approved. Capital Group.
28) Sparrow Hills tower 2. 44f. (about 154m). under construction [topped out]. Don Stroy.
29) Sparrow Hills tower 3. 44f. (about 154m). under construction [topped out]. Don Stroy.
30) Gazprom Building. 35f. 151m. built. Gazprom.
31) Aqua City Palace. 36f. (about 150m). on hold. Gazprom.

Also two towers by pinnace height, but it doesn't matter...

1) Naberezhnaya Tower B. 35f. 135m roof. 170m antenna. under construction. ENKA.
2) Riverside Hotel. 31f. 130m roof. 155m antenna. under construction [topped out]. ENKA.

@asimov,
of course you don't find it on the map, it's not a city, it's a village with a population of 8.000. Much better to live here than in istabul. Here you don't have to watch out for terrorists!

Er Coth - going by Emporis it says that there are going by "your" definition of 150m (492ft) has only one more 150m+ tower (Gazprom)


http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100839&bt=2&ht=2&sro=1


Its ^^ this source against your quasi-source ;)

Then again considering your the same person that though Moscow was the wealthiest city in Europe (and probably the world :lol: ), and that Moscow can somehow count how many illegal immigrants there are (impossible simply because they remain transparent to the state and its institutions), I don't really have much hope for you ;)

follow there
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=100839&bt=2&ht=2&sro=41
from 60th buildings without specified height

also few building still not in database

then go there
http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?cityID=14&type=all

nick, the london figures are also incorrect. the total is infact 24 if we are just looking at those officially proposed. then there's all the others preplanning like convoys wharf and croydon and so on and the number hits 30 and shoots on way past it.
London Bridge Tower - 310m
Fairfields Hall Croydon - 274m
Columbus Tower - 239m
One Canada Square - 237m
Leadenhall Building - 234m
Riverside South 1 - 220m
North Quay 1 - 216m
Minerva Building - 217m
Landmark Tower, Cricklewood - 215m
North Quay 2 - 203m
Citigroup Center - 200m
HSBC - 200m
Lea Residential, Stratford - 198m
Riverside South 2 - 195m
Tower 42 - 183m
110 Bishopsgate - 183m
St Georges Wharf Tower - 181m
Swiss RE - 180m
Lea Hotel, Stratford - 168m
Clifford Chance - 160m
Barclays Bank - 157m
Lehman Brothers - 153m
Heron Quays 3 - 151m

London "plans", Istanbul "builds" :lol:

Cities in the 500ft (152m) skyscraper range :)


Here is the list from Emporis of all towers: built, u/c, approved, proposed + on-hold:
Frankfurt - 22
London - 19
Istanbul - 17
Moscow - 15
Paris - 1


Cities with skyscrapers: built, u/c, approved:
Frankfurt - 14
Moscow - 14
London - 12
Istanbul - 12
Paris - 1


Biggest risers in "proposal range":
Frankfurt - 8
London - 7
Istanbul - 5
Moscow - 1
Paris - 0
I think this list forgots Madrid:
we have 1 over 152m and 4 over 200m aproved and some of them have begun movement of earth

asimov, four in that list are expected to start construction within the next 6 months!

London "plans", Istanbul "builds" :lol:

London "plans", Istanbul "builts" and Frankfurt "has" :cheers:

I dont know... not so good at this... top 2 is easy first Paris then Rotterdam...

Frankfurt somewhere below that and London.. it's allright, Warsaw is overrated.



1. Frankfurt (the best in Europe)
2. Paris (La Defense)
3. London (nice skyline and nice buildings)
4. Warsaw (the greatest skyline in Central Europe)
5. Istambul (a perl of south-east)
6. Rotterdam (this city is more overrated than Warsaw)
7. Moscow (a few skyscraper but no skyline)

This is the correct order :)

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/lenainmechant/grattecielfrst/photos/MODERN-EUROPE-B.jpg

manchester and birmingham both easily top lyon.

^^ Yeah, you don't hear much from Lyons, but Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool : wow

I would also place Amsterdam and Rotterdam up there also :yes:

And Brussels must be on the spot where Lyon is now! Brussels has a much bigger skyline!

sure, lyon doesnt belong there !

And Brussels must be on the spot where Lyon is now! Brussels has a much bigger skyline!

Brussels is on the spot (look right side).

I was amazed when i looked at Warsaw, I'd say it looks even better than London!!! Good luck for Warsaw.

I was amazed when i looked at Warsaw, I'd say it looks even better than London!!! Good luck for Warsaw.

Thanks! :)

Brussels is on the spot (look right side).

Brussels must be on the left. Lyon has got a bigger spot, and the skyline is 10 times smaller than Brussels.

1. Paris
2. Istanbul
3. Frankfurt
4. London
5. Warsaw
6. Rotterdam
7. NAPLES!!
8. Brussels
9. Madrid


NAPLES-ITALY MY COLLAGE FOR YOU!:)
http://www.ifrance.com/davideitalia/NapolibyELETRIX.jpg

http://www.iespana.es/davideitalia_es/napoli/images/napoli%20-%20centro%20direzionale.jpg

http://spazioinwind.libero.it/ciaonapoli/Centro_Direzionale.jpg

http://www.simonerossi.it/skyscrapers/napoli/napoli_17.jpg

thanx electrix, It's cool to hear from italian cities on this forum ! :)

Thk KONY!!!:)

Birmingham UK.


Birmingham Skyline 2002
http://skyscrapernews.com/tiki/show_image.php?id=185
http://skyscrapernews.com/tiki/show_image.php?id=185
http://skyscrapernews.com/tiki/show_image.php?id=186
http://www.wavejump.net/images/brum1.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/708/490skyline.jpg

Wow, impressive, never knew Birmingham had such a skyline! Must be in top 10 instead of Madrid!

We should also consider Lodz, Poland. The city is booming and has a decent skyline.

http://www.ga.com.pl/foto08/03195x.jpg

My Top 10 Skylines in Europe

Number 1: -> La Defense, France

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hnetten/paris03.jpg

Number 2: -> Frankfurt, Germany

http://p.vtourist.com/9499.jpg
http://p.vtourist.com/9434.jpg


Number 3: -> London, Canary Wharf, UK

http://is.freefoto.com/images_d/31/03/31_03_14_web.jpg
http://is.freefoto.com/images_d/31/03/31_03_83_web.jpg
http://skyscrapernews.com/gallery/canary_wharf_night2-01.jpg


Number 4: -> London City, UK

http://skyscrapernews.com/gallery/city_night16-01.jpg
http://skyscrapernews.com/gallery/london_eye_night1-01.jpg
http://skyscrapernews.com/gallery/st_pauls_night2-01.jpg

Number 5: -> Warsaw, Poland

http://onephoto.net/uploads/frodo1/waw1.jpg
http://www.poland.gov.pl/photoGallery/main2/12_2_15_2.jpg

Number 6: -> Napoli, Italy

http://www.napoligold.com/coast/napoli/soggetto/de31037.jpg

Number 7: -> Benidorm, Spain

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VwDoAhobTKSEpPgdeboABFnOXIWZXMohgCai8EqJT4TXfB5BMnxkgFU2uaaFb5WWR3PWTyg2ZsMBhK!rkPev!XItAjPxpzasbz8c6OMYjetJGEDkzCo2mQzMt5MHLmxO/18281800rDLvjGsagz_fs.jpg?dc=4675420353263139371

Number 8: ->Rotterdam, Netherlands

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/rotterdam32-1.JPG
http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/rotterdam36-1.JPG

Number 9: -> Birmingham, UK

http://skyscrapernews.com/tiki/show_image.php?id=185
http://skyscrapernews.com/tiki/show_image.php?id=186
http://www.wavejump.net/images/brum1.jpg


Number 10: -> Brussels, Belgium

http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/brussels17-1.JPG
http://www.skyscraperpicture.com/brussels14-1.JPG
http://is.freefoto.com/images_e/1401/02/1401_02_76_web.jpg

Birmingham above Rotterdam and Brussels, that's ridicilous offcourse.

http://www.wavejump.net/images/brum1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.info/images/buildings/360.jpg

Birmingham above Rotterdam and Brussels, that's ridicilous offcourse.

You are quite right, its just i had very few pictures to go on for Rotterdam, but that Skyline is quite better.

But i stick with my decision on Brussles, until i find better pictures. :)

Top 10 tallest buildings in Rotterdam

1. Gebouw Delftse Poort (151.35)
2. Millennium (130.85)
3. World Port Center (123.06)
4. Erasmus Medisch Centrum (114.00)
5. Waterstadtoren (108.88)
6. Fortis Bank Blaak (106.92)
7. Weenatoren (106.25)
8. Weenacenter (104.20)
9. Hoge Heren I (102.00)
10. Hoge Heren II (102.00)

Top 10 Tallest Buildings in Birmingham

1 Telecom tower (152m)
2 Beetham Tower (130m)
3 Alpha Tower (100m)
4 Joseph Camberlain Clock Tower (99m)
5 Cleveland Tower, Holloway Circus (90m)
6 Clydesdale Tower, Holloway Circus (90m)
7 Orion (85m)
8 The Rotunda (81m)
9 Colmore Centre (80m)
10= Five Ways Tower (76m)
10= City Centre Tower (76m)
10= Hyatt Regency Hotel (76m)

Quite close, but Rotterdam's Skyline is more spread out, which makes it look bigger, but Birminghams looks more compact.

Both great Skylines though, for Cities which are'nt given the credit they deserve.

Can't see how you call that close mate. Rotterdam has 35 >70 m. towers, Birmingham 11. Rotterdam 97 >50 m. towers, Birmingham 58.

And you took the BT Tower in your list, if you do that then the 2 Shell chimneys (213 m.), the telecom tower (192 m.) and the Euromast (observation tower, 185 m.) should be included in the Rotterdam list too.
And Beetham Tower is u/c you clever guy ;) Montevideo (139 m.) and Coopvaert (104 m.) are too.

@ SpankyMonkey
Is this compact enough?

http://www.techimage.net/getimg.php?img=70skylinerotterdam31.jpg

http://www.techimage.net/getimg.php?img=7023de_compagnie_19112003.jpg

BTW these images are not mine!

1) ISTAN YORK :D

http://wowturkey.com/tr19/Kazandibi_memocan_bogaz01mm7.jpg

http://wowturkey.com/tr19/Kazandibi_marmgen44m1wowturkey.jpg

2) Paris
3) Frankfurt
4) Rotterdam
5) Warsaw
6) London
7) Naples
8) Madrid
9) Moscow
10) Benidorm
11) Ankara
12) Birmingham
13) Barcelona
14) Essen
15) Lyon
16) Izmir
17) Athens
18) Klaipeda
19) Zagreb
20) Belgrade

@ Asim:

Thanks for even daring to include Athens in your list Asim, but Athens doesn't have a skyline, it simply has a beautiful landscape like Istanbul who also has a number of skylines.

...and we need to see some skyline pictures of Moscow. Why I have alittle voice in the back of my brain telling me that in 5 years Moscow will be amongst the top 5?

Top 10 tallest buildings in Rotterdam

1. Gebouw Delftse Poort (151.35)
2. Millennium (130.85)
3. World Port Center (123.06)
4. Erasmus Medisch Centrum (114.00)
5. Waterstadtoren (108.88)
6. Fortis Bank Blaak (106.92)
7. Weenatoren (106.25)
8. Weenacenter (104.20)
9. Hoge Heren I (102.00)
10. Hoge Heren II (102.00)

Top 10 Tallest Buildings in Birmingham

1 Telecom tower (152m)
2 Beetham Tower (130m)
3 Alpha Tower (100m)
4 Joseph Camberlain Clock Tower (99m)
5 Cleveland Tower, Holloway Circus (90m)
6 Clydesdale Tower, Holloway Circus (90m)
7 Orion (85m)
8 The Rotunda (81m)
9 Colmore Centre (80m)
10= Five Ways Tower (76m)
10= City Centre Tower (76m)
10= Hyatt Regency Hotel (76m)

Quite close, but Rotterdam's Skyline is more spread out, which makes it look bigger, but Birminghams looks more compact.

Both great Skylines though, for Cities which are'nt given the credit they deserve.

Top 10 tallest buildings in Brussels

1. Tour du Midi (150 m)
2. Tour Finance (140 m)
3. Madou Plaza (120 m)
4. Tour Astro (107 m)
5. World Trade Center Tower3 (105 m)
6. Palais de Justice (104 m)
7. Belgacom Tower II (102 m)
7. Belgacom Tower I (102 m)
7. World Trade Center Tower2 (102 m)
7. World Trade Center Tower1 (102 m)
7. North Galaxy I (102 m)
7. North Galaxy II (102 m)
7. Manhattan Center (102 m)
...

http://users.skynet.be/bs605555/photos/pano-final-ngb2.jpg

It's for me clear @spankymonkey that after division London into two skylines Warsaw has better one than London City.
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama19.jpg
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Zdjecia/panorama15.jpg
http://www.autolider.pl/warszawa/Tapety/tapeta29.jpg
http://www.plfoto.com/zdjecia/351465.jpg

Top 10 tallest buildings in Warsaw:
1. Palace of Culture and Science 231 m
2. Warsaw Trade Tower 208 m
3. Warsaw Financial Center 166 m
4. Hotel InterContinental 164 m
5. LOT Tower 140 m
5. Intraco II 140 m
7. TP S.A. Tower 128 m
8. Lucka City 120 m
9. Hotel Westin 120 m
10. FIM Tower 115 m

U/C Rondo 1 195 m - finished in 2005

Warsaw, it's statistics are very good but the skyline looks so... divided. It's not like all pieces fit together. I haven't seen pictures of Warsaw like these ones (actually, I think quite the same about Istanbul):

http://users.skynet.be/bs605555/photos/pano-final-ngb2.jpg

http://www.techimage.net/getimg.php?img=70skylinerotterdam31.jpg

http://www.wavejump.net/images/brum1.jpg

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hnetten/paris03.jpg

http://skyscrapernews.com/gallery/canary_wharf_night2-01.jpg

That's why I see above cities (except Birmingham) as better skylines than Warsaw. Offcourse if you could deliver some pictures like above you could change my opinion.

Oh and I can't see why you put a city with a modern skyscraperdistrict (Napoli) above a true skyscrapercity (Rotterdam). I know these numbers may not be correct, still they say something:

Skyscrapers.com

Napoli:
35 towers

Rotterdam: 296 towers

Brussels: 134 towers.

Picture by Jan.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/database/buildings.02/2161.jpg

picture by Tim de Bruin
http://home.hetnet.nl/~plaatjespagina/rdam%208%20juni%202004/coolsingel2.jpg

http://home.hetnet.nl/~plaatjespagina/rdam%208%20juni%202004/coolsingel.jpg

after seeing these pics, i'll change my top 10

1.Paris
2.Frankfurt
3.Rotterdam
4.London
5.Warsaw
6.Istanbul
7.Napoli
8.Brussels
9.Birmingham
10.Essen

Benidorm really sucks, it are all ugly buildings!!

Warsaw, it's statistics are very good but the skyline looks so... divided. It's not like all pieces fit together. I haven't seen pictures of Warsaw like these ones
It's only a matter of time when Warsaw will have more dense skyline. After completion of Golden Terraces and Rondo 1 in the first half of 2005 it will look much more impressive.
http://www.startbilder.de/einzelbild.php?id=248462&quality=100&identifier=6fc8394e0f

Warsaw with Rondo 1 and Golden T. will much more dense . And then We will be able to say that Warsaw has real Skyscraper's cluster.

God you guys are really over-protective of your cities.

I went on pictures that i saw, and i felt at the time the order was correct.

Please dont get stressed over a few pictures and numbers. thanyou :)

God you guys are really over-protective of your cities.

I went on pictures that i saw, and i felt at the time the order was correct.

Please dont get stressed over a few pictures and numbers. thanyou :)
It's just a pretext to discussion so don't feel confused.:)

Haha

Yeah we are on a forum you know :) Without discussion this probably would be a very boring place :)

Yeah we are on a forum you know :) Without discussion this probably would be a very boring place :)

Correct Super Sniper

everybody has his own opinion about a skyline so relaaaaax

Rotterdam has a very good skyline and city planning, but its towers are very short.

London and Istanbul resemble each other very much. Apart from being two former imperial capital cities, they also have many "skyline(s)" instead of a single skyline.

Moscow has very tall skyscrapers, but "skylinewise" it has very bad planning (the same case with Ankara.)

Frankfurt has very tall and very stylish buildings, but it's a small city with few towers (the same case with Warsaw and Naples.)