Conversion of former Colgate-Palmolive factory on Ordsall Lane, Salford, to office plus additional mixed use riverside development.

Architects: shedkm (http://www.shedkm.co.uk/)

Developers: Carlyle Group (http://www.carlyle.com) in conjunction with joint venture partner Abstract Nikal Ltd

Outline planning application for Ivy Wharf, 8.42 acre site in Salford Quays, together with detailed application for the regeneration of Soapworks, the former Colgate Palmolive factory located in the heart of Ivy Wharf.

380,000 sq ft office, supported by ancillary consumer focused space on the ground floor, which might include retail, gym and restaurants.

Subject to planning approval, the project will be developed in stages, with the first phase totalling 100,000 sq ft.

Outline planning application submitted for the development of the wider Ivy Wharf site and an extension to the Soapworks building, to include a 200-bed hotel, a retail element, residential as well as further office space.

Press Release from Carlyle Group (http://www.carlyle.com/Media%20Room/News%20Archive/2009/item10771.html)

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Existing site:
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Proposed:
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Phasing plan:
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Planning application:
09/58270/HYB (http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=KSJFXKNP05I00)
Former Colgate-Palmolive Factory, Ordsall Lane, Salford

Change of use, alteration and extension of former factory buildings to employment (B1 and/or B8); and/or hotel (C1); and/or retail (A1); and/or restaurant/café (A3); and/or bar (A4); and/or non-residential institutional uses (D1); and/or leisure uses (D2).

Improvement to existing access, associated servicing, car parking, landscaping and internal pedestrian and highway works.

Outline planning permission for mixed-use scheme comprising employment (B1); and/or residential (C3); and/or hotel (C1); and/or retail (A1); and/or restaurant/café (A3); and/or bar (A4); and/or takeaway (A5); and/or non-residential institutional uses (D1); and/or leisure uses (D2); car parking and associated open space and landscaping works.
Architectural Design Report - LARGE 230MB PDF (http://iclipseweb.salford.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/07020871.pdf)

Nice work CDX.

PS. I'm liking the vertical light. However, I've yet to see something like that ever see the light of day or night for that matter.

Thanks jrb, might post some more details from the D+A in a bit. Shedkm were definitely the right people to be involved in this looking at their previous work, Dunlop, Birmingham & Matchworks, Liverpool.

At least a couple of watts bulb required for that boiler house light beam, love the inclusion of the couples promenading on Pomona...

From Crains today, quite a promo article, still awaiting a planning decision on this.
Scrubs up nicely
http://www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk
February 22, 2010
By Simon Binns

Nikal and Carlyle Group are planning to create a Deansgate Locks-style strip of bars and restaurants as part of its Soapworks development in Salford.

The Manchester-based developer and the site owner are looking to create almost 100,000 sq ft of new leisure space at the former Colgate-Palmolive factory, which used to make one million tubes of toothpaste a day before it closed down in October 2008.

The site links Castlefield in Manchester with Salford Quays and Media City, and James Payne, director at Nikal, said the firm would submit a planning application in April.

“We'll have around 400,000 sq ft of commercial space in the development, with 80,000 sq ft on the ground floor for bars and restaurants,” he said. “On the waterfront, there is the option for even more.” The scheme could create up to 4,000 jobs and the developer is hopeful the leisure occupants will service that market, as well as hook into the nearby Media City.

Payne's elder brother, Nick, also a director at Nikal, was involved in creating Deansgate Locks. Ask Developments bought a string of disused rail arches on Whitworth Street West in 1999 and turned them into a strip of bars.

Although Nikal has not disclosed the operators it will be targeting for Soapworks, exploratory talks were held with David Vincent, owner of the Sankey's nightclub in Manchester, about a potential partnership on the site. Those discussions did not lead to any firm plans being drawn up, however.

Mark Harris, director at The Carlyle Group, said: “We've had a good level of interest from occupiers, especially in the first phase at the Boiler House.

“We think that we'll be able to finalise a few pre-lets quite soon, so once we have got the planning approval we can start construction.”

The scheme will also flood more office space into the market that will be aimed at creative and media firms.

James Ramsbottom, owner of Castlefield bars Dukes 92 and Albert's Shed, said the fringe location of the site might make it difficult to lure operators.

“Even in Castlefield, operators on the other side of the river have found it difficult to stay open,” he said. “Jackson's Wharf and Quay Bar have been and gone. It's just the extra distance that can put people off.

“It's very, very tough to get critical mass in the leisure sector and it's hard to get people on site. Outlets and shopping centres work for a certain market, but you have to give people a compelling reason to travel further afield. Doorstep trade isn't enough.

“The Soapworks will have to try and develop that critical mass and it will be interesting to see what sort of operators they go for. I'm not sure if I'd take space there as it's a bit too far out. It's not strictly an out-of-town site, but it's not city centre either, and that might be the problem.”

Ramsbottom said a big name brand, like Sankey's, would create a destination that people would travel to, but at the other extreme he questioned whether mainstream operators would locate that far out of town.

“There needs to be something different to what's already in the city centre or people will just stay there,” he said. “Leisure operators are finding it as tough as everyone else at the moment and if they are going to commit, they want cracking deals.”

Justin Mortimer, director at commercial property agency Cheetham & Mortimer, said the success of the site could depend on the popularity of Peel Group's nearby Media City.

“They are obviously hoping to trade off the back of Media City,” he said. “There might be some chasing of the same occupiers but there's no real leisure on Salford Quays at the moment, so that's fair enough.

“Location is still important to operators but they also look at risk and will want that reflected in any deal, but if they commit to a site like this they are showing confidence that it will work.”

The Article makes a good point that its going to take a lot of work to make people attracted to spending a night out on a limb on the edge of Ordsall. I'm not sure I'd ever choose to spend time at the Quays unless it becomes a lot more interesting.

Does anyone know wahts going on further down the ship canal towards the Regents Bridge end, where they are busy clearing a large distribution wharehouse?

"Nikal and Carlyle Group are planning to create a Deansgate Locks-style strip of bars and restaurants as part of its Soapworks development in Salford."

I would seriously question the truth of this statement, as far as I'm aware there are no such plans. The level of reporting in Crains is pathetic in my opinion.

"Nikal and Carlyle Group are planning to create a Deansgate Locks-style strip of bars and restaurants as part of its Soapworks development in Salford."

I would seriously question the truth of this statement, as far as I'm aware there are no such plans. The level of reporting in Crains is pathetic in my opinion.

Really? I have no axe to grind or side to fight but personally I like Crains and value their contribution to the city's media scene.

Sure they're by no means perfect (though who is?) but I have to say I learn things and get (correct!) information that contributes to my business (often in a cold, hard financial sense) out of virtually every issue.

I can't think of any other regional on/offline business publication that actively questions, investigates and stimulates stories (often against the wishes of those involved!) on a more regular or credible basis.

MEN? Insider? EN? Not even close...

Crains is one of the best things to happen to Manchester in recent years.

ShedKM are good... Having lived in a ShedKM designed buildings I can say from experience it was very well designed. If only the builder was a good....

back on topic... can a development of this size really attract/sustain any significant level of 'leisure' and retail offerings? Its just where I lived there was Burton Place, Moho, Box Works, Lake House, St Georges Island, Britannia Mills, Timber Wharf yet it took years to get the two bars and corner shop it has now. And its not in spitting distance of Ordsall....

ShedKM are good... Having lived in a ShedKM designed buildings I can say from experience it was very well designed. If only the builder was a good....

back on topic... can a development of this size really attract/sustain any significant level of 'leisure' and retail offerings? Its just where I lived there was Burton Place, Moho, Box Works, Lake House, St Georges Island, Britannia Mills, Timber Wharf yet it took years to get the two bars and corner shop it has now. And its not in spitting distance of Ordsall....

Not only that but who would fancy walking along orsdall lane/the riverside late on after a few too many sweet sherry's:drunk:

Goes to planning committee on the 15th April, recommended approval,
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4490&MGP_ID=82

here's a website for it as well,
http://www.soapworks-ivywharf.co.uk/

it seems a shame there is all that dead space around ordsall hall. they should create a grand garden that could become an attraction in itself...perhaps

Looks like some landscaping is planned as part of the current restoration,
Plans include:
beautiful landscaped garden, including orchard, ornamental gardens and picnic area
http://www.visitsalford.info/conservation.htm

and then maybe this at some point, part of the IRP vision,
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http://www.soapworks-ivywharf.co.uk

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it's real shame pomona docks isnt being developed too. if money was no object i would deffinately buy the land and turn it into a park. i was at my friends in steel house last night which faces onto pomona and there were quite a few groups having random bbq's....they didnt seem to be chavs either.

i would re-paint that bridge too. at what council meeting did someone come up with the bright idea of painting it snot green?

Isn't there some chemical dump issue with Pamona that makes it super expensive to build on.

I know Peel own Pamona and it forms part of there grand Ocean Gateway scheme.

The trouble with redevelopment in this area and Manchester and Salford's connecting here is the Bridgewater Way. That 4 lane motorway and the hellish roundabout at the Salford end break up the city in a way the would make Brummies weep.
Hulme to Salford Quays by bicycle would take 3 minutes interrupted by 3 hours in casualty.

The trouble with redevelopment in this area and Manchester and Salford's connecting here is the Bridgewater Way. That 4 lane motorway and the hellish roundabout at the Salford end break up the city in a way the would make Brummies weep.
Hulme to Salford Quays by bicycle would take 3 minutes interrupted by 3 hours in casualty.

I always go on the canal, or river toe-paths for this route, though both routes could do with improvements that I guess will only be justified once the area gets busier.

Isn't there some chemical dump issue with Pamona that makes it super expensive to build on.

I know Peel own Pamona and it forms part of there grand Ocean Gateway scheme.

i was taking a walk around pomona island on sunday actually. i dont know about toxic waste under there, but i would suspect that there is landfill underneath. i spotted a methane vent in amongst the rubble.

App was withdrawn from the last meeting(as was the app for the flats up the road), looks to be going before planning again next week(13/5).

http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4528&MGP_ID=82

Goes to planning committee on the 15th April, recommended approval,
http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4490&MGP_ID=82

Approved.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/6079-carlyle/abstract-nikal-ivy-wharf-plans-approved.html

Crains.

Soapworks scheme backed by council

By Simon Binns

Manchester-based developer Abstract Nikal has been given outline approval for its plans to turn the former Colgate factory in Salford Quays into a 380,000 sq ft mixed use scheme.

The Soapworks development is a joint venture between Nikal and The Carlyle Group but full planning permission of the scheme is subject to “certain s106 agreements" which are expected to be resolved shortly.

The bulk of the scheme will be office space, supported by retail units, and a strip of bars and restaurants on the ground floor. Work is expected to begin as soon as full planning permission is given.

Nick Payne, from Abstract Nikal, said: "The scheme will offer unrivalled floor plates of up to 82,500 sq ft, spectacular space overlooking the waterfront and a fabulous working environment."

Canning O'Neill is retained as agents for the scheme.

Sorry to keep off-topic, but I'm really intrigued by the Pomona docks. Found this story on the MEN from 2005:
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/180/180544__sail_back_to_pomona_docks.html

Also found this - turns out it's owned by Peel...
http://www.oceangateway.com/content/index.html?pomonaisland.html

Apologies if this has already been posted years ago...

peel had future plans for "Tall" buildings @ pomona - going back 10 years though

So, due to start work next week? showing as pending decision on public access, is the sec 106 still to be finalised?

Quite a few bits of other info in this article on ManCon,
http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/Property/General/Central-Salford-URC-outlines-regeneration-plans_15397.asp

[Karen] Hirst [development director at Central Salford] said the Soapworks in Ordsall, a former Colgate factory now owned by Manchester-based developer Nikal and its London-based finding partner Carlysle, will put 350,000 sq ft of commercial space into the market.

“I’m told by the developer that it will be starting next week,” she said, with a wry glance at Nikal chief executive Nick Payne, who was attending as part of a discussion panel.

Work starts on the Boiler House on Monday.

WORKS START AT THE SOAPWORKS 4TH OCT!
October 1, 2010

***STOP PRESS***

Works start at the Soapworks on Monday 4th October to transfrom The Boiler House to trendy characterful office space that will complement the Soapworks scheme. Salford Quays lacks characterful space and for companies looking to be close to MediaCityUK but dont want to sacrifice their trendy city centre offices, the Boiler House will deliver.

Manchester office agents, Canning O’Neill are marketing the offices at The Boiler House for more details, contact Mark Canning.
http://www.manchester-offices.co.uk/works-start-at-the-soapworks-4th-oct

As it looks like this project is going to be resurrected I took these photographs several days ago, to give everyone a perspective of where it is I have included photographs of Pomona Metrolink stop, the works themselves(ex colegate palmolive factory) the immediate canal side walk and the now renamed Worldtrade centre- Exchange Quay..a hidden gem!...

The now defunct CP works....

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The ML bridge on the right...

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Across the water we have the Pomona ML stop which when newly opened would have looked impressive however its looking a little negelected at the moment..

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The waterside walk has huge potential...and this obvioulsly planning has taken into consideration, this is as is stands at the moment....


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And one of the most relaxing ways to see the waterways has to be on this longboat...(they even have a bar on board..:cheers::cheers:...

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what I feel must be included in this update is the now renamed Manchester World Trade Centre-Exchange Quay, well worth a visit, its not a large site, and site adjacent to the ex CP site...

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And of course no update could end without a photograph of Banana...the line runs adjacent to the centre of EQ....the ex CP factory as the backdrop.

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I feel this project has huge potential...the site is a mile and a half from MC and will complement EQ MC and the Quays perfectly.

NB there is a cafe in EQ and they make a superb bacon sarnnie..well worth the trip down there just for that.

Who says Manchester has no waterfront?

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Its criminal that this place is a barren wasteland and the surrounding buildings have their backs toward the water/ are fenced in.

Hopefully the proposed park and this scheme will be a catalyst for the area.

Who says Manchester has no waterfront?

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Its criminal that this place is a barren wasteland and the surrounding buildings have their backs toward the water/ are fenced in.

Hopefully the proposed park and this scheme will be a catalyst for the area.

That's a fantastic picture.

Just think, hopefully in a few years time Pomona across the canal will be developed. It'll have a waterfront walkway with cafe's and bars along the waterfront, maybe a stage or something built out into the water for gatherings/gigs etc? Offices and a few iconic tall buildings, plenty of trees, waterfront lighting like at the Quays, and the odd Water Taxi floating by on the canal there. :cheers:

That's a fantastic picture.

Just think, hopefully in a few years time Pomona across the canal will be developed. It'll have a waterfront walkway with cafe's and bars along the waterfront, maybe a stage or something built out into the water for gatherings/gigs etc? Offices and a few iconic tall buildings, plenty of trees, waterfront lighting like at the Quays, and the odd Water Taxi floating by on the canal there. :cheers:

VoldermortBlack...glad you like it..when I was out and about last week in the area I felt the view deserved recognition-hence the photograph :):)

It's brilliant - I've never seen the canal look that wide!

Looks like the Thames in some parts. All we need now is a mahoosive houses of Parliament to be built at Pomona :lol:

Here's something else that looks to be being delivered in the first phase, £290k worth of pocket park(& footpath), alongside the development of the Boiler House that will become the marketing suite. Was going to be in a future phase, but Salford URC have stepped in with a 50/50 funding agreement with the developers, to push the IRP project on.

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Planning Lead Member Briefing - 7 October 2010 (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar/showmeeting.asp?ID=4722&MGP_ID=115)

03a Irwell River Park - Soapworks Green Finger, Ordsall (http://services.salford.gov.uk/solar_documents/PLMR051010A.DOC)

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:

This report seeks approval to construct a new Soapworks Green Finger link between the River Irwell and Ordsall Lane, and has been jointly developed between the URC and owner developers Nikal/Abstract Securities. The City Council is asked to provide a 50% contribution to the construction of this new link route, which is being brought forward from the future planned phases of the former Colgate site.

This new link containing a pocket park will provide a welcoming, well lit and safe route from the riverside the heart of the Ordsall neighbourhood providing enhanced accessibility and connectivity to the riverside.

Nikal/Abstract Securities will deliver the link in 2010/11, alongside the refurbishment of the existing boiler house which will form the marketing suite for the redevelopment of the wider site. They will take on all future maintenance liabilities for the link which will be publicly accessible.

A few shots from the weekend.

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Property Week.

Soapwork starts. :banana:

Clean start at Salford Soapworks

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The Carlyle Group has begun work on one of the few large-scale speculative office developments in the north-west


This week the private equity firm appointed contractor Bowman & Kirkland to build the 380,000 sq ft Soapworks development (pictured) at the former Colgate Palmolive factory, within the Media City development in Salford, Manchester.

Carlyle acquired the site in October 2008, in conjunction with its joint venture partner, Abstract Nikal Management.

It won planning consent for a mixed-use scheme in September this year.

Mark Harris, director at Carlyle, said: “There has been strong interest in the scheme, and we are talking to a number of prospective tenants across a number of sectors, who are attracted to the architectural quality of the building, its location and by the fact that we are able to offer rents of around half those of central Manchester.”

Canning O’Neil is marketing the scheme.

This week the private equity firm appointed contractor Bowman & Kirkland to build the 380,000 sq ft Soapworks development (pictured) at the former Colgate Palmolive factory, within the Media City development in Salford, Manchester.
20 years ago businesses on the east side of Trafford Road were desperate to lose the Ordsall tag and associate themselves with Salford Quays. Now it's goodbye SQ, hello MediaCityUK!!

A few new renders have been released. http://www.soapworks.co.uk/

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flange as chance would have it while you were posting this today I happened to take these photographs as this is a new addition to thebuilding....

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It appears things might now really get moving on this project.

Yes saw the planning applications for the banners today on the Salford Planning pages, their are a few more to go up around the buildings.


Former Colgate Palmolive Site Colgate Lane Salford M5 3FS

Display of three non illuminated fascia signs

http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LCFKXNNP5Y000

Also the planning application for this signage is online now as well.

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Former Colgate Palmolive Site Colgate Lane Salford M5 3FS

Display of one internally illuminated sign to builder house

http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=LCFKXJNP5Y000

Also included in some of the planning documents is this masterplan for Soapworks.

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Looking forward to seeing this project gathering momentum, although still not convinced it should class it self as a Quays/Media City? project.

A few new renders have been released. http://www.soapworks.co.uk/

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that looks absolutely fantastic. the stretch of the canal/irwell from spinningfields bridge all the way to the quays is one of my favourite parts of manchester. i can just picture what this will look like in summer as the sun is setting.

i hope that the wider development of the irwell city park area doesnt take 10 years to be completed.

Looks pretty good. Has this got the go ahead then? The amount of parking spaces around the buildings is slightly worrying though.

Few more like this and the traditional centre will definitely link with the Quays making one large CBD and setting up Manchester for a great future. It already seems part of the centre to me, obviously with work still to do etc, but definitely an evolving part of the same central Manchester animal!

Few more like this and the traditional centre will definitely link with the Quays making one large CBD and setting up Manchester for a great future. It already seems part of the centre to me, obviously with work still to do etc, but definitely an evolving part of the same central Manchester animal!


Not sure what u mean by "It already seems part of the centre to me," and I am sure many will argue that its not part of, or intended to be part of Central Manchester, lets not forget Salford IS a City in its own right, and Salford is developing itself in its own right.

Let's face it, Peel's idea for SQ must be to link it to the city centre along the Pomona corridor. Salford is a city in name only. A quirk of recent history that will likely be reversed. As such, developments like this are certainly the way forward. The last 10 years has seen SQ and the city centre progressively inching towards one another.

Let's face it, Peel's idea for SQ must be to link it to the city centre along the Pomona corridor. Salford is a city in name only. A quirk of recent history that will likely be reversed. As such, developments like this are certainly the way forward. The last 10 years has seen SQ and the city centre progressively inching towards one another.

To link it yes...but it must retain (and quite rightly so) its own identity and direction, and there`s nothing wrong with that, Salford has become a superb example of regeneration the Quays and shortly Chapel St being examples of this.

To link it yes...but it must retain (and quite rightly so) its own identity and direction, and there`s nothing wrong with that, Salford has become a superb example of regeneration the Quays and shortly Chapel St being examples of this.

I don't think the quays are an example of Salford retaining its identity. They could be anywhere, and that's the point of them.

Chapel Street is a different matter, and if Salford wants to carve out an individual space this is where it must do it, but to call it a superb example of regeneration is pushing it, a lot.

Coming from outside of the region, Salford has no more identity to me than Longsight or Chorlton. It's just a bit of Manchester. I think most people will think this way, although perhaps the BBC broadcasting from Media City will change this, depending on how they present their location.

Coming from outside of the region, Salford has no more identity to me than Longsight or Chorlton. It's just a bit of Manchester. I think most people will think this way, although perhaps the BBC broadcasting from Media City will change this, depending on how they present their location.

If this be the case how mundane and bland all the areas will become, Salford has a tremendously rich heritage, which would be deplorable if it was lost in its resuregence.

If this be the case how mundane and bland all the areas will become, Salford has a tremendously rich heritage, which would be deplorable if it was lost in its resuregence.

Christ! They are one and the same.
Perhaps if we we look back pre industrial revolution, they might have had distict charms ann there own unique history. But effectivly during the industrial revolution they morphed into one and the urban landscape grew.

Are you kidding me. Have you ever been to Salford?

If anything Salford was closer to Manchester pre-industrial revolution.

I don't think the quays are an example of Salford retaining its identity. They could be anywhere, and that's the point of them.
Yes, they could be any development anywhere but if nothing else the redevelopment of that area has promoted the name of Salford better than anything else over the last 20 years. Even the BBC have accepted that they are coming to Salford - I've not heard anyone mention a move to Manchester for a long time.

Salford's identity in the past was the 'dirty old town', Coronation St image. That, thankfully, is long gone.

I can't fathom how you'd be thankful for that. On one hand you have a sterile environment with meaningless stores and meaningless architecture, then on the other you have this fascinating place which is old Salford, with all its pride and history, the ruins and all the people... and you would prefer the name of Salford for some reason to be associated with the sterile meaningless environment. Why? It's just offensive.

I can't fathom how you'd be thankful for that. On one hand you have a sterile environment with meaningless stores and meaningless architecture, then on the other you have this fascinating place which is old Salford, with all its pride and history, the ruins and all the people... and you would prefer the name of Salford for some reason to be associated with the sterile meaningless environment. Why? It's just offensive.

Indeed.

Why?

Because Salford Quays / Media City demonstrates a bright future whereas old Salford has only a past?

It's the usual vast overstatement of the importance of local history by local people, a favourite bugbear of mine!

Objectively, it is vital that towns and cities all over Britain concentrate on the future rather than some rose tinted past that aint ever coming back.

What are you on about? Who's being rose tinted? My point is that saying that you would rather the name Salford (presumabley from a mancunian perspective) to be associated with Salford Quays is offensive to the real Salford - which, I'm sorry to point out to you is a real city of several hundred thoasand people. Nothing rose tinted about the idea of Salford.

And anyway, why can't "Old Salford" can't have a bright future..? Personally I think it's vital that neighbourhoods develop sustainably and for the benefit of those living there and not the markets.

Are you kidding me. Have you ever been to Salford?

If anything Salford was closer to Manchester pre-industrial revolution.

Nope, I'm not kidding, I live in Salford.
I grant you, Salford has a history.
But as far as people without an 'M' in their postcode are concerned Salford's history is Manchester's history because they have become one and the same. In the same way the invention on the Eccles cake has become Salford's history since being absorbed.

You can dwell on the specific geography or certain landmarks, or that Salford had mines or docks or whatever and Manchester doesn't. But when the industrial revolution came about Manchester and Salford didn't grew into two places that were culturally or architecturally different. They built the types of buildings for them to live, work and get pissed in.

Sorry it does my head in when people are selective about where and what Salford is. One minute. We are part of Manchester, then we are a unique enclave (not too dis-similar to the vatican) sheltered between the monotony of Manchester and Bolton.

If someone asks where I live and they are not local I say Manchester, because if I say Salford, they say what in Manchester or give you a blank look. Ask them to name one area in Salford and they will say ehhh... Weatherfield?

I can only guess that you moved to Salford from Manchester and live in along chapel street somewhere. Because you can live in deepest Salford and be completely dissociated with Manchester and I think most Salfordians are, apart from leisure shopping (which is probably mostly done at the Trafford Centre anyway) it's not like Salfordians "dip" into Manchester and its services, as you would if you lived in a place like Westminster in London. I've honestly known Salfordians who have grown up 2 miles from Manchester City centre and didn't go there until they were 18. I was born here and I've always said that I live in Salford. It really is its own place, and I'm not saying that that is a good thing, sometimes it annoyed me when I was at University in Manchester because it took me two buses to get there, and when I came home I was away from all the action up on this hill... They're not unrelated obviously, but they are certainly not one of the same.

Like I say, arguably Salford and Manchester are further apart now then they were pre-industrial revolution. Certainly the bulk of where Salfordian's do their business and live now is way off to the west and Chapel Street is a sort of no mans land in that sense.

you have this fascinating place which is old Salford, with all its pride and history, the ruins and all the people... and you would prefer the name of Salford for some reason to be associated with the sterile meaningless environment. Why? It's just offensive.
Yes, every time I go to visit my mother in Langworthy, I think "isn't it great here?" Or not. Pride and history is no reason not to move on. All I'm saying is that Salford is no longer the "dirty old town" I grew up in and I'm grateful for that. I enjoy visiting the Lowry, or walking by the canal in Salford Quays. Do you not want people outside the area to appreciate it for what it is now? Bring back the working-class slums and chimneys belching smoke, so people can remember that it's grim oop north. Is that what you want?

Hey I lived in Salford 7 for a couple of years. However I must admit although most Salfordians are proud of where they come from, they were not as parochial as is made out as some folks claim.

For instance they never seemed to have any hang-ups about their proximity to Manchester city centre, ie Salford 3,5 and 7. Salford 6 was a bit further away but regardless of what part they lived in just about everyone regarded 'town' as Manchester centre.

You can talk of it's history etc but it's difficult to explain why the docks were called the Port of Manchester and the racecourse (Castle Irwell) was called Manchester Racecourse.

You got a lotta 'splainin to do Salfordians...:cool:

You can talk of it's history etc but it's difficult to explain why the docks were called the Port of Manchester and the racecourse (Castle Irwell) was called Manchester Racecourse.

You got a lotta 'splainin to do Salfordians...:cool:
Not hard to explain at all. Salford may have a distinctive history, but has always suffered with identity because of its larger neighbour.

I think those examples vs Salford Quays is a perfect example why dwelling on the past is not always a good thing! If, say, someone tried to build a new racecourse in Salford now (hmmm) then there would be a lot of fuss if it had the "M" label attached to it, in the past it was clearly a lot less so.

People tend to hang on to informal labels: I still think of Manchester as 'town' - never 'city' - anyone I know going shopping in Salford goes to 'the Precinct', and that title vanished a while back. I have stopped thinking of the Quays as the Docks though, so there's progress?

in some ways salford is it's own place. i live in salford but am from trafford and in some ways that is its own place too. there is nothing wrong with being proud of the heritage and traditions of where you are from, but you have to admit that there is an increasing blurring of the lines between a lot of urban centres as time marches on.

salford certainly does have its own feel. a lot of the architecture has a distinctly industrial revolution look about it and it has a suprising contrast between high rises and open green areas that manchester doesnt the further out you go.

but on the flip side of that it isnt fair to say that ordsall looks or feels any different to parts of manchester nowadays. a lot of what made it feel salfordian has now gone.

normally i would agree with the notion of preserving the heritage of a place when redevelopment is proceeding, but with the chapel street area a lot of the buildings are too far gone for anything other than demolition.

I have friends who were born in Salford and lived in it all their lives, they are in their 40s now.

If asked what city they come from/live in they would just say Manchester. They talk about how great it is to see Manchester changing, no doubt including Salford in that too.

I've never known one of them to get shirty about the whole Manchester - Salford thing.

I personally think it's silly for Salford to try and distance itself from Manchester, the close proximity to each other should be exploited to the full, on both sides.

Brooklyn is technically a city in it's own right too but nobody thinks of it in any other way than being part of New York City. Salford should get used to being seen in this way, sure you can hang on to your city status but to try and be seperate and pretend the lines aren't blurred is disingenuous and is actually a disservice to Salford in the long run.

Brooklyn is technically a city in it's own right too but nobody thinks of it in any other way than being part of New York City. Salford should get used to being seen in this way, sure you can hang on to your city status but to try and be seperate and pretend the lines aren't blurred is disingenuous and is actually a disservice to Salford in the long run.

Brooklyn was an independent city until its consolidation with New York City in 1898

Work well underway now in this major redevelopment...just happened to be passing as they started demolishing that famous red brick wall...

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Glad to see this mamoth project eventually coming to life.

You really did see this first on SSC !

Great to see this has started :)

If this was my building site, the last thing I would do is knock down a nice big SECURE perimeter wall... ;)

Good to see work starting though!

If this was my building site, the last thing I would do is knock down a nice big SECURE perimeter wall... ;)

Good to see work starting though!Crazily, one of the big plans is to open up the site to encourage through foot traffic.

I was working in there a few weeks ago, the foyer still has a display and models of the plans. That was a big feature.

I agree with opening up the site, its just silly to knock that wall down so soon while there is lots of expensive plant and materials hanging around - they'll probably end up putting massive hoardings in its place!

Will it not be the case that they have to have a specified fence / barrier anyway for insurance purposes?

The new hoardings will be plastered with advertising for the scheme. I think that's probably the reason why the wall is coming down. Big ugly wall that it is.. good riddance.

Out of Town: Soapworks

6th April 2011

By Mike Fahy - Assistant Editor

OF ALL the schemes that have clamoured for kick-start funding from the new Evergreen Fund, it is easy to see why the £25m Soapworks was named as one of the beneficiaries for the first round of funding.

Details of how much it will receive have yet to be confirmed, with the amount largely dependent on whether the project wins its bid for cash from the initial pot of Regional Growth Fund money.

Regardless of this, Carlyle Group's European real estate director Ben Du Boulay said that it is progressing with plans to redevelop the former Colgate-Palmolive factory at Ordsall in Salford into a scheme containing more than 400,000 of office space as well as ground floor retail, restaurants, cafe and gym space.

The factory which produced soap, toothpaste and other toiletries for more than 100 years before Colgate-Palmolive decided to move production to Poland in 2008. At its height, more than 1,000 people worked in the building, but this declined to around 300 by the time it closed.

Joint development partner Nikal completed a deal to buy the site in May 2008 ahead of its closure in the November of the same year. Carlyle Group bought the 8.42-acre site in October 2008.

Since then, a scheme has been worked up by Nikal and development partner Abstract Securities to transform the site into a modern, office-led scheme that is being delivered in three phases.

The first involves the creation of new public realm, including a new pathway through its site between the Ordsall Estate and the Manchester Ship Canal. It will also see 20,000 sq ft of new offices being created at The Boilerworks - the site's former boiler house which is being reconfigured into four floors of office space with potential leisure use on the ground floor.

The building is being reclad with a new glass envelope by contractor Bowmer & Kirkland, and should be complete by the end of June.

The Boilerhouse's floorplates of around 4,000 sq ft will mean that lease terms will be more flexible than in future phases, where much larger footprints (potentially of up to 90,000 sq ft) will require lease agreements of at least ten years.

The second - and most significant - phase of the project will see the creation of more than 200,000 sq ft of offices in Blocks A, B and C of the building, although the timescale and the level of spend on the fitout will only be decided once the package of funding from RGF/Evergreen money is agreed.

Du Bouvray said that the the refit of blocks A, B and C is not dependent on the public funding element of the scheme, but it will determine factors such as the level of spend on the fitout and the programme of redevelopment.

"We're told our scheme ticks all the right boxes," he said. "We will be doing some work on A,B and C, but we don't know what that is yet or when it will start," he said.

The final phase of the project will see the redevelopment of Block D - the biggest single block containing 200,000 sq ft of space over seven floors. Block D has initially been marketed to major occupiers as a standalone building. As such, it would require a pre-let before construction got underway.

The proximity of the building to MediaCity:UK, its industrial heritage and the contemporary design proposed by Liverpool-based architecture firm Shed:KM could boost its popularity with small and medium-sized media firms who want to be at MediaCity but prefer Soapworks' proposed rents of £14 per sq ft compared to those at MediaCity:UK.

Peel Group declined to give headline rents for space at MediaCity:UK, but a recent article by community newspaper The Salford Star stated that The University of Salford is paying £2.125m per year - or just over £20 per sq ft - for its new 103,00 sq ft Orange Building, which will house new studios and teaching space for 1,500 students.

Du Bouvray said that the space being offered within Soapworks is "not your typical space".

"The design has been about converting industrial space but retaining that feel," he said.

Despite this, he said that the firm was not particularly concerned with marketing the space to any particular sector or industry.

"MediaCity has its own place and we're complementing that," he said.

"We'll do market deals with some degree of flexibility to make the space attractive if you're running a call centre, an engineering company or the back office for a big investment bank."

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/151372-prop-out-of-town-soapworks.html?news_section=4150

This looks a great link with Media City and rest of the centre. I know a few here are saying about where it is at night etc re: the bars and restaurant element but there are lessons from London experience here and that's that you have to start somewhere! Someone has to take a risk that kick-starts the rest. docklands in london is a case in point - when that was done though it was empty until nearly 2000!!! People forget it's only been worth a damn in the last decade or so. Soapworks on the other hand is linking Media City that is going to be a great success with the rest of Manchester city centre which is also a great success - it won't take too long to bring confidence and activity to an area squeezed between two successful parts of the 'new' city centre!! The public space looks appealing in the drawings too.

The two areas will also offer something different architecturally adding to the contrast and atmosphere. Wide range of offering to the market is definitely the way forward from the experience and these two parts of a new extended CBD look to be just what Manchester needs. Can't wait for the first phase to be up and finished!!

I'm actually looking forward to following this project.

Fantastic regeneration.

This looks a great link with Media City and rest of the centre. I know a few here are saying about where it is at night etc re: the bars and restaurant element but there are lessons from London experience here and that's that you have to start somewhere! Someone has to take a risk that kick-starts the rest. docklands in london is a case in point - when that was done though it was empty until nearly 2000!!! People forget it's only been worth a damn in the last decade or so. Soapworks on the other hand is linking Media City that is going to be a great success with the rest of Manchester city centre which is also a great success - it won't take too long to bring confidence and activity to an area squeezed between two successful parts of the 'new' city centre!! The public space looks appealing in the drawings too.

The two areas will also offer something different architecturally adding to the contrast and atmosphere. Wide range of offering to the market is definitely the way forward from the experience and these two parts of a new extended CBD look to be just what Manchester needs. Can't wait for the first phase to be up and finished!!

I agree with most of what you're saying. But if you look at the neighbouring Exchange Quay development, that has been the intermediary between the city and the quays for the past 15 years or more. From this, I think it will take a lot more than office space and decent public realm to bring a great surge in development. Take up in EQ is ok, but there is plenty of floor space in each building to let. It's starting to look a bit aged. Plus as far as I'm aware, the other neighbouring Metro building which is newer and BREEM rated excellent, has no take up. Its post recession so this is to be expected, but I can only see a trickled affect and not a surge any time soon. Great for the regeneration of a small area however.

I'm confident even with EQ situation simply because as you say it is a recession right now and Manchester hasn't been redeveloping on a significant scale for very long. Given that in the middle of a recession Manchester's managed Metrolink extensions, MediaCity, a new headquarters for Co-Op and a new 106m student and quay worker building on Oxford Road as well as advanced plans for a few other sites including Ordsall Curve in prep for Manchester Hub project, I think post recession Manchester will pack a punch. All you have to do is look at other city CBD's or metro areas centred on a specific CBD in the north and ask 'what are they doing?' the reply....'Absolutely nothing!' I think given Manchester's Cities Monitor rating from PWC and Co-Op making a headquarters there, along with BBC workers, there will be a new perception of Manchester and as with all things property....it's all in the confidence of the place! I think it's important to think of it in relative terms. If you'd asked me even in 2005 would Manchester have all this going on right here right now, I'd have said no way. So here we are, and it's looking good!

I hear the large Soapworks letters have been installed on the Boilerhouse chimney. Anyone got any photos?

I hear the large Soapworks letters have been installed on the Boilerhouse chimney. Anyone got any photos?

Will try and get some for us...

Great, thanks WT!
Look forward to seeing them.

As promised.....

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Also other works coming along nicely...paving is now started to be laid...

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This project is really taking shape.

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Now that is looking good, great photos WingTips, really makes a statement, like you said the scheme really is starting to come together now.

Thanks for the pics wingtips, much appreciated.

Apparently these are due to light up red white and blue tomorrow to mark the royal wedding!

Think it's going to make a huge difference to the area when completed.

Will carry on with the photographs at appropriate times and relevance.

Apparently these are due to light up red white and blue tomorrow to mark the royal wedding!


Carlyle lights up Soapworks

17 May 2011, 11:12

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Carlyle Group has unveiled a new feature at its mixed-use development in Salford - a permanent light display on the 26 metre chimney at the former Colgate-Palmolive factory.

Carlyle is carrying out the part newbuild and part refurbishment in a joint venture with Nikal Developments and Abstract Securities.

The low-energy LED light display, created by Sign Specialists, is capable of being programmed to achieve an almost-infinite range of colours and sequences and has been erected to create an iconic beacon for Media City and Salford Quays.

Upon completion, Soapworks will boast more than 400,000 sq ft of office, retail and leisure space.

The chimney is part of the Boilerhouse, the first phase of the Soapworks development, which will contain 20,000 sq ft of office space over four floors, complete with an atrium rooftop and is due to open in the summer.

Canning O'Neill is the letting agent for the scheme.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/9049-carlyle-lights-up-soapworks.html

Plenty of steel works going on at the Soap Works now....

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All seems to plan so far, this really is a great project to watch.


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The Soap Works looking good...and certainly taking shape quickly...

We now having glazing...

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Sorry about the quality on this one...

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Really like how this is coming along..will update more in the coming weeks.


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Update on the Soapworks...and its looking good, phase one to be completed shortly...looks better than in the renders...


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This project once completed will be superb if it is continued to this standard.


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Good work WingTips. I agree this will transform the area, from there to the Quays. I can't help but think that this would not have happened without the BBC move, so great to see such a positive knock on effect at such an early stage.

10 years down the line that whol side of the river to Regent Road might well have been transformed. An exciting prospect, especially if the development across from Spinningfields & the Victoria & Albert Hotel takes off and these two eventually meet somewhere in the middle (Now I am getting ahead of myself).

Good work WingTips. I agree this will transform the area, from there to the Quays. I can't help but think that this would not have happened without the BBC move, so great to see such a positive knock on effect at such an early stage.

10 years down the line that whol side of the river to Regent Road might well have been transformed. An exciting prospect, especially if the development across from Spinningfields & the Victoria & Albert Hotel takes off and these two eventually meet somewhere in the middle (Now I am getting ahead of myself).

I agree...when I was at Ordsall Hall recently they have several videos visitors can watch, they cover Salford Docks in the later sixities early seventies, parts of Ordsall and Salford for the same period, watching them is depressing, it truley was appalling, row after row of slum housing, filthy streets from black smoke being belched out from factory chimmeys etc, what is happening to the area is well deserved and the quality of life has improved beyond words, and the area is experiencing a rebirth, I personally cant wait to see all these projects completed.

Nice to see some finite detail already being added to this project, hope they add more greenery as time goes on...

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This IS Salford

Soapworks' Boilerhouse tops out

22nd June 2011

By Mike Fahy - Assistant Editor

DEVELOPER Nikal has held a topping out ceremony with joint venture partker Abstract securities and project funder The Carlyle Group at the first phase of the new Soapworks scheme at Ordsall in Salford.

The ceremony was held as the project's first phase - the 20,000 sq ft Boilerhouse scheme - reached its highest point. The Boilerhouse is the first of several phases of a proposed £25m transformation of the former Colgate Palmolive factory, which was acquired by Nikal in 2008 following the company's decision to move manufacturing of soaps and toothpaste produced onsite to Poland.

Future phases will see more than 400,000 sq ft of space brought back into use via an office-led scheme containing some retail, leisure, restaurant and cafe use at lower levels. It is hoped that once complete, more than 3,000 people will be employed at the site.

Salford City Council chief executive Barbara Spicer was on hand at the ceremony to plant the final tree in a new landscaped area at the side of the site providing a route from the Ordsall estate through to the riverside and the proposed new Irwell River Park scheme.

She said: “The Soapworks development will regenerate a former manufacturing building and potentially create 3,000 jobs for the region. I am so glad to see the partnership bring forward this lovely refurbishment scheme.

“As well as the economic benefits this brings, it will also enhance the Irwell River Park project, creating more accessible cycling and walking routes for people to enjoy.

She said that the project provided further evidence of the regeneration of Salford's waterways alongside the nearby Mediacity scheme.

Ben Du Boulay, director at The Carlyle Group, said: “The topping-out of the Boilerhouse signifies a key milestone in the redevelopment of the former Colgate Palmolive site and represents the ongoing efforts being carried out as part of the wider Soapworks scheme.

"Offering grade A office space less than five minutes from the centre of Manchester, the Boilerhouse is already attracting a great deal of attention from potential occupiers.

Construction of the Boilerhouse scheme will complete in August. Bowkmer & Kirland is main contractor.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/

An outline planning permission application has been submitted for the land/industrial units to the west of Soapworks (near Exchange Quay Met stop) for mixed use development of a 204 room hotel, 54 apartment hotel suites, 132 residential apartments, 14289sqm of office space, 1233sqm leisure and 758sqm of retail, basement parking. Up to 24 storeys.

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An outline planning permission application has been submitted for the land/industrial units to the west of Soapworks (near Exchange Quay Met stop) for mixed use development of a 204 room hotel, 54 apartment hotel suites, 132 residential apartments, 14289sqm of office space, 1233sqm leisure and 758sqm of retail, basement parking. Up to 24 storeys.

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Do you have any application ref details?

Already mentioned back in Dec by CDX in the Salford Quays thread

Pretty big new app, looks to be for one/more of the sheds by Exchange Quay, can't see it replaces any previous scheme???


The architects?
http://www.povallworthington.com

Location,
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&q=Cygnet+House+111+Taylorson+Street+South+Salford+M5+3BL&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Cygnet+House,+111+Taylorson+St+S,+Salford+M5+3BL,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&t=h&layer=c&cbll=53.467236,-2.282049&panoid=s5gBE1ZVRLA2_5ucdXa-9A&cbp=11,235.85,,0,5&ll=53.467236,-2.283075&spn=0.001041,0.006866&z=18

Wingtips the application no. is at the bottom of the post.

Yesevil, I knew some news about this has already appeared but the app has only just appeared in the Salford Advertiser.

I did this post on my phone so was to lazy to put the links in to the other post or to Salford planning site

Sorry!

Yesevil, I knew some news about this has already appeared but the app has only just appeared in the Salford Advertiser.

A few new docs have gone on for it suggesting amendments/additional info, so back out for consultation & hence the renotification.

Sorry if it's a silly question, but will a bridge ever be built from this development to Pomona Met stop? I realise Exchange Quay is nearby but that's a wiggly path away and you could easily get lost if you don't know the area, but with Pomona it would be a straight bridge across ...

Sorry if it's a silly question, but will a bridge ever be built from this development to Pomona Met stop? I realise Exchange Quay is nearby but that's a wiggly path away and you could easily get lost if you don't know the area, but with Pomona it would be a straight bridge across ...

I was thinking Exactly the same thing on my way to work this morning as i past it Voldy!!!:)

Not exactly far away!

http://www.metrolink.co.uk/pdf/local_maps/exchange_quay.pdf

Not exactly far away!

http://www.metrolink.co.uk/pdf/local_maps/exchange_quay.pdf

I know but it's not exactly a very aesthetic walk through all those warehouses, and also a bridge from Pomona would mean you would be able to access Soapworks within a 2 minute tram ride from the city centre, without having to bother with curling & screeching over Pomona Bridge and through Ex Quay.

Plus surely one is bound to be built in time anyway, as the Pomona Island develops?

Thanks to NQ for his response on the other thread :)

Sorry if it's a silly question, but will a bridge ever be built from this development to Pomona Met stop? I realise Exchange Quay is nearby but that's a wiggly path away and you could easily get lost if you don't know the area, but with Pomona it would be a straight bridge across ...

I have often thought the same thing my self...why it wasn`t done when they built the tram bridge, but it would have been all down to money. Doubt we will see it done though, I think the bridge from Ordsall to CRB is still on the cards though.

Work pressing on here at the SW`s ....

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On the far left of the above picture demolition has started on another part of the exisiting building..will as always keep you all up todate as and when.


This IS Salford

In Conversation with....Nick Payne

10th August 2011

By Mike Fahy - Assistant Editor

NICK Payne, the co-founder of Manchester-based property developer Nikal, argues that despite the strains that the property market has faced, his firm has never been busier - at least in terms of activity on construction sites.

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The firm's other main scheme in Greater Manchester is at the Soapworks - the 400,000 sq ft former Colgate Palmolive Factory in Ordsall being developed alongside Abstract Securities for funder Carlyle Group.

The first phase - a rebuild of the Boilerhouse building into 20,000 sq ft of contemporary offices, is set for completion by September.

"We've already got a lot of interest and we're hoping to sign our first few tenants over the next few weeks."

He added once the building is complete, it will give potential tenants of the larger adjoining buildings - which has floorplates of up to 90,000 sq ft, the ability to see how their space will look.

"What we're looking at Soapworks is £20 per sq ft as an occupation cost - not rent - so it's incredibly competitive.

"It's a compelling location for people who want to be park of Mediacity but housed in a historical building."

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/?page_id=205135

Thought I would dust this thread off with quick up date...the final touches are now being applie to the firsr phase of this redevelopment, and pretty good its looking too..

Part of the original wall has been retained and has become a major feature of this work...

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Will monitor the site for any further developments.

This IS Salford

Man Con.

THE Carlyle Group, Nikal and Abstract Securities has completed the first phase of Soapworks, the former Colgate-Palmolive site in Salford.

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/i/H33/3YQP_M.jpg

The Boilerhouse comprises 20,000 sq ft of Grade A office space over four floors offering brand new office space within the building.

“It is already attracting a great deal of interest, especially from businesses who want to be situated within the MediaCity area."

The office building also boasts a glass atrium with an exterior balcony on the top floor, which offers views over Manchester and Salford Quays.

Ben Du Boulay, director at The Carlyle Group, said: “We are very pleased to have completed the first phase of redevelopment at Soapworks. The Boilerhouse offers occupiers high quality contemporary office accommodation in a great location, only about five minutes from the centre of Manchester.

“It is already attracting a great deal of interest, especially from businesses who want to be situated within the MediaCity area."

The Boilerhouse is the first phase of the wider Soapworks redevelopment, which will comprise more than 400,000 sq ft of office, retail and leisure space and 1,200 onsite car parking spaces once complete.

The floor plates range from 2,000 sq ft to 70,000 sq ft. Canning O’Neil and Jones Lang LaSalle have been appointed as agents on the scheme.

Any idea what shops/restaurants are going to be located here?

Any idea what shops/restaurants are going to be located here?

Not at the moment, I think possibly it will need a greater occupation of tenants before any Restaurants open.

Thanks! I hope this area does well to integrate Exchange Quay into the up and coming vibe of the "Upper" Quays area (MediaCityUK etc). Ex Quay could be something special, instead of a wastleland at weekends.

Thanks! I hope this area does well to integrate Exchange Quay into the up and coming vibe of the "Upper" Quays area (MediaCityUK etc). Ex Quay could be something special, instead of a wastleland at weekends.

Will keep you posted Vold

Soapworks scrubs up nicely

The first office phase of Carlyle's Salford development, the Boilerhouse, 20,000 sq ft over four floors, has been completed.

Ben du Boulay, director of the Carlyle Group, said: "The Boilerhouse offers occupiers high quality contemporary office accommodation in a great location, only about five minutes from the centre of Manchester.

"It is already attracting a great deal of interest, especially from businesses who want to be situated within the vibrant Media City area, at a really competitive price."

Quoting rents at Soapworks start from £15/sq ft. The Boilerhouse is the first phase of the wider Soapworks redevelopment of the former Colgate Palmolive factory, which will contain 400,000 sq ft of office, retail and leisure space, with 1,200 car parking spaces.

Carlyle is delivering Sopworks in a joint venture with Nikal Developments and Abstract Securities. Lettings agents are Mark Canning at Canning O'Neil and Chris Mulcahy at Jones Lang LaSalle.

The project team consists of architect Shed KM; cost consultant EC Harris; planning consultant Turley Associates, mechanical and electrical consultants Bennett Williams and NG Bailey; structural engineers Joule; fire engineers and sustainability consultants AECOM

This IS Salford

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk

They've put an app in for a few, relatively minor, amendments to this.

12/61465/HYB (http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=externalDocuments&keyVal=LZUB18NP00300)

Amended renders on the website.

http://www.soapworks.co.uk/images/what/waterfront.jpg

http://www.soapworks.co.uk/images/what/siteEntrance.jpg

http://www.soapworks.co.uk

Compared with the original design, the external lift design has changed, locations of the escape stairs, cross-bracing detail on the windows, and the top 'penthouse' levels have been reduced. Retention of the gatehouse as well.

Also note the boundary change close to the water, increased parking???

why oh why have they brought the parking around to the waterside, wasn`t the original idea to have waterfront restuarants, bars etc?

Surface car parks.

On the waterfront.

:ohno:

Surface car park on such a prime waterfront is a massive disappointment :ohno:

I'll share this anyway, taken last weekend:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7206/6778230758_793f12e6c1_z.jpg

Also included in some of the planning documents is this masterplan for Soapworks.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8394/soapworksmasterplan.jpg

The original masterplan showing undercroft parking with landscaping above and building in front.

They have been pretty sneaky though, as it looks like parking has been planned on the waterside for a long time from this previous render behind the strategically placed trees.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3798/soapworks1.jpg

A few questions to be asked then!

The buildings on the waterfront are the final phase, outline approved under the original app. That plan posted by flange show the four blocks, marked 9, they're the last things that'll get built here.

Have a look at this! (it's a flythrough of the development)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz8RswVyJUQ

Time I thought for an update on this project,...

The main part of phase one is now near completion...

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/P4050579.jpg

an idea of what the space could look like with people inside...

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planting now well established...

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/P4050583.jpg

and the long awaited pathe connecting Ordsall Lane and the Irwell Park project is finally open....

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/P4050584.jpg

As for phase two...well work at the moment seems to have come to a stop, but will update as and when.

Thanks Mr WingTips - I go past here everyday on the tram and I was wondering what was going on with it.

Welcome

The trouble with redevelopment in this area and Manchester and Salford's connecting here is the Bridgewater Way. That 4 lane motorway and the hellish roundabout at the Salford end break up the city in a way the would make Brummies weep.
Hulme to Salford Quays by bicycle would take 3 minutes interrupted by 3 hours in casualty.

Precisely why since returning to Mancunia, I do not commute to work by bike.
Indeed I only venture out on my metal steed for Sky ride type of thingy and for weekly ventures into Heaton Park.

Things are on the move again at the Soap Works with phase two of the project starting in about two weeks time...

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A new sales office has also been erected...

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The Boiler House part of phase one has now been more or less fully let with Tenants moving in shortly.

Thanks WingTips, I posted regarding this project in another thread because it had looked dead for quite some time; I was worried the developers had gone bust.

Good to see it moving again

No its well and truely alive

Good start.

TBF it's a great location, inbetween Manchester city centre and Salford Quays/Mediacity, with Metrolink right on it's doorstep.

Place North West.

Vital Services takes entire Boilerhouse at Soapworks

19 Nov 2012, 17:12

David McCourt


The Carlyle Group and joint venture partners Nikal and Abstract Securities have let the 20,000 sq ft first phase of their office development in Salford.

Carlyle said it was the biggest letting in Salford Quays since 2010.

VSG will take all five floors of the Boilerhouse, becoming the first occupier at the development.

The Boilerhouse, completed earlier this year, forms the first phase of the 400,000 sq ft redevelopment of the former Colgate-Palmolive factory.

VSG will not be moving from their current office at The Mill, South Hall Street, but will expand the business over two Manchester offices.

Fit-out will start immediately, with the first staff moving in before the end of the year.

Ben Du Boulay, director of the Carlyle Group, said: "This letting is a significant step forwards for the Soapworks regeneration project, and reflects the quality of the space that we have created in this property.

"Having completed and let the Boilerhouse, I am excited about moving onto the next phase of this major regeneration project and creating a new community in Salford Quays."

John Smith, chief executive of VSG, said: "The Boilerhouse met our desires as a business to stay committed to the Salford Quays area as the building is well-located for our staff."

Jones Lang LaSalle and Canning O'Neill are joint agents on the Soapworks scheme.

Nigel Hunter, director of Edwards & Co, advised Vital Services Group.

The Boilerhouse was designed by architects Shed KM.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/s/1595069_6m-funding-boost-for-soapworks-regeneration-project-in-salford?s_cid=business%20bulletin-20121203%20(1554)

£6m funding boost for Soapworks regeneration project in Salford
Kevin Feddy
December 03, 2012

An artist's impression of the Soapworks scheme

http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/489.$plit/C_71_article_1595069_image_list_image_list_item_0_image.jpg?02%2F12%2F2012%2018%3A09%3A22%3A193

The developers of the mammoth Soapworks regeneration scheme in Salford were today celebrating a £6m funding boost that enables them to press ahead with the second phase of the project, which is expected to generate 1,350 jobs.

The North West Evergreen Fund, which invests in commercial property and infrastructure schemes, has provided a loan to support the second, 210,000 sq ft phase of the transformation of the former Colgate-Palmolive factory at Salford Quays.

It will comprise three new office blocks, with work due to start in early 2013 and be completed by the end of the year.

The loan is the maximum available through the Evergreen Fund, which is made up of 16 local authority partners and is backed by European and other public money. It provides loans for projects which will generate returns that can be recycled back into the fund to help support further schemes.

In October, the first stage of the Soapworks development was completed – the 20,000 sq ft Boilerhouse, which has been fully let to engineering firm Vital Services Group.

The final phase of development will add 170,000 sq ft of offices.

The Soapworks is owned by asset manager The Carlyle Group and its joint venture partners Nikal and Abstract Securities. It is one of the UK's biggest speculative developments outside London which will provide office space priced from £14 per sq ft.

Ben Du Boulay, a director at The Carlyle Group, said: "To be selected as a recipient and to be granted the maximum amount of funding from the North West Evergreen Fund is a real endorsement of the potential of the Soapworks scheme and the positive impact that the project will have on the regeneration of the Salford Quays area.

"As the recent letting of the Boilerhouse demonstrates, there is a clear demand for high-quality, good value, flexible space within Salford Quays' MediaCityUK and we are confident that the completion of the second phase of the project will add to the area's success."

Lord Peter Smith, chairman of the Association of Greater Manchester Authorities, said: "The Evergreen Fund is an innovative use of public funding to support private enterprise in these challenging times. We will be investing in priority schemes which will deliver real jobs and growth, as well as financial returns, unlocking opportunities and stimulating the success of the region."

Salford Mayor Ian Stewart said: "This is a welcome boost to job prospects in Salford and will further speed the regeneration of this area of the city. The project will transform an historic central site in Salford into a commercial hub, creating new job opportunities and revitalising the Exchange Quay area."

The Soap Works has a new Website...

http://www.soapworks.co.uk/?gclid=CL_WnKz2_bMCFXHLtAodrB0ASg

Maybe they can put part of that money towards getting the "w" working on their illuminated sign.

Maybe they can put part of that money towards getting the "w" working on their illuminated sign.

Lol yes its has been u/s for a while.

Is it me or does the parking look inadequate for the full development as their building a new building in the existing car park and at the same time expanding the factory into it as well.

Is it me or does the parking look inadequate for the full development as their building a new building in the existing car park and at the same time expanding the factory into it as well.

Its by no means a large Car Park...however they may hoping many will use the Metrolink

Little illustration of what's being worked on next, Phase 2 is wings A, B & C, with D as Phase 3.

http://i49.tinypic.com/6r7r5f.jpg

After that it's the outline approved wider Ivy Wharf development, those ghost blocks on the waterfront, and in relation to parking provision, along with the proposed undercroft parking a multi-storey could be built in the area marked 2c here,

http://i45.tinypic.com/2dr9m2u.jpg

Got to say I'm genuinely surprised (in a nice way) at the success of this project so far.

I have watched it over the last year or so and it really has done very well, I was sceptical my self but so far so good.

It's good that it's providing jobs but I find it hard to get excited about. Just looks like an out of town business park development of which this area if salford is plagued. Does nothing for the urban fabric.

If those blocks proposed for the waterfront ever go ahead I think it could end up looking pretty good.

I'd also like to see a bridge from this scheme to Pomona Metrolink over the canal...

Fit-out specialist Redbridge Interiors has landed the contract for a £750,000 scheme at the first phase of the Soapworks development at Salford Quays.
Redbridge will prepare the 20,000 sq ft Boilerhouse building ahead of the arrival of engineering firm Vital Services Group.
The Boilerhouse is the first phase of the Soapworks office scheme on the site of a former Colgate-Palmolive factory.
The redevelopment is being undertaken by The Carlyle Group and joint venture partners Nikal and Abstract Securities.
Martin Bridge, managing director at Manchester-based Redbridge, said: “We worked hard to achieve a comprehensive package that meets the high standards that have been set for the Soapworks.”

Fit-out specialist Redbridge Interiors has landed the contract for a £750,000 scheme at the first phase of the Soapworks development at Salford Quays.
Redbridge will prepare the 20,000 sq ft Boilerhouse building ahead of the arrival of engineering firm Vital Services Group.
The Boilerhouse is the first phase of the Soapworks office scheme on the site of a former Colgate-Palmolive factory.
The redevelopment is being undertaken by The Carlyle Group and joint venture partners Nikal and Abstract Securities.
Martin Bridge, managing director at Manchester-based Redbridge, said: “We worked hard to achieve a comprehensive package that meets the high standards that have been set for the Soapworks.”

Source please?

Source please?

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/business/deals/s/1596355_redbridge-interiors-wins-750000-deal-for-first-phase-of-soapworks

Andrew

Apologies, I pressed return by mistake and it posted. It was from MEN as AJD has posted.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/12931-the-sharp-project-expands.html

Sharp Project expands

Manchester's digital content complex, the Sharp Project, will add further converted shipping container office units from March.

Six new containers will be added to the first phase of the building, called the Red Street.

Four doubles and two singles will be added to increase the total number to 32, split into 16 double and 16 single spaces, and placed in two terrace rows.
The glazed units are aimed at start-ups and small firms requiring short-term leases.

The Sharp Project is based in a 200,000 sq ft refurbished warehouse on Thorp Road previously occupied by electronics company Sharp. The £16.5m profit-for-purpose development is owned by Manchester City Council.

Single containers are 160 sq ft and cost £50/week. Double containers are 320 sq ft and cost £85/week including one car parking space. Power and connectivity are an additional charge.

Sue Woodward, director of the Sharp Project, said: "Micro businesses and SMEs are the backbone of the digital creative sector. It's great to be able to accommodate more start-ups and watch them flourish in this environment where they can meet, share ideas and skills and collaborate on projects with other tenants."

Henry James, co-founder of innovation and design company, Inventid, and tenant at The Sharp Project, said: "The very fabric of a container as workspace excited us most about The Sharp Project since it defines so much about contemporary product design and logistics. We've collaborated widely with other energetic, talented businesses and our glazed front provides a perfect opportunity for passing trade and a casual chat with visiting delegates."

Wrong thread for the above. You want central park..

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Hmmm hmmmm hmmmm ....?:nuts:

Hmmm hmmmm hmmmm ....?:nuts:

What does that mean?

Probably the lack of narrative. Don't think it requires a :nuts:

Obviously update shots WT.

Probably the lack of narrative. Don't think it requires a :nuts:

Obviously update shots WT.

Something of a narrative doesn`t go a miss especially for new comers to the forum.

Gotta love redevelopment :D

PNW

Highlighted the relevant bit

Galliford Try wins contracts totalling £36.5m

2 May 2013, 15:38

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Galliford Try has won three building contracts in Greater Manchester totalling £36.5m.

RED Property Services has appointed Galliford Try to construct the £13m Old Trafford Supporters Club hotel, opposite the Manchester United football ground.

The new four-star 139-bed hotel will feature supporters' club facilities and bar, alongside additional retail units.

Galliford Try has concluded an agreement with The Carlyle Group and its joint venture partners Nikal and Abstract Securities to build the second stage of the Soapworks project.

The £12.5m contract covers the entire second phase of the project and will create 210,000 sq ft of Grade A office space in the old Colgate-Palmolive factory that adjoins the MediaCityUK complex at Salford Quays.

Muse Developments has contracted Galliford Try to deliver the sixth phase of the Smithfield residential project in Manchester.

The £10.75m phase of the development will see the creation of 77 one, two and three-bedroom apartments for private sale, and associated retail units.
Galliford Try Chief Executive Greg Fitzgerald said: "These new contracts build on our track record and in particular our recent successes in Greater Manchester, demonstrating the strength of our regional construction business in all sectors.

"We are delighted to be working on these significant developments for the region, and look forward to continuing to play our part in enhancing the built environment in the North West."