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Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 10:57 AM

List of all active development projects in Trondheim. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/50pixels.gifhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/100pixels.gif
Click on the Urbika link to know the exact location of the project.http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/100pixels.gif

City of Trondheimhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/200pixels.gifhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/200pixels.gifhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/100pixels.gif
Berg Studentby Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45998267&postcount=28) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2188-berg-studentby) Construction
Brattørkaia 17A Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58953007&postcount=325) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2209-brattorkaia-17a) Approved
Charlottenlund VGS Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58908091&postcount=315) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2179-charlottenlund-vgs) Approved
Clarion Hotel Trondheim Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45920741&postcount=8) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2153-clarion-hotel-trondh) Construction
E6 Jaktøyen-Tonstad Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58972165&postcount=336) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2239-e6-jaktoyen-tonstad) Approved
E6 Nidelv bru-Grillstad Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58972195&postcount=337) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2238-e6-nidelv-bru-grills) Construction
Elgeseter gate 16 og 18 Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46067541&postcount=37) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2187-elgeseter-gate-16-og) Approved
Flatås Arena Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58921613&postcount=320) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2201-flatas-arena) Approved
Grilstad Marina Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45918959&postcount=3) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2173-grillstad-marina) Approved
Grilstad Park Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=47221189&postcount=97) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2195-grilstad-park) Approved
Holtermannsvei 1 Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45943535&postcount=14) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2185-holtermannsvei-1) Proposed
Ilsvika Extra Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45935781&postcount=12) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2176-ilsvika-extra) Approved
KBS Senteret Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=52910075&postcount=232) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2178-kbs-senteret) Approved
Klostergata 46-48 Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46241015&postcount=67) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2191-klostergata-46-48) Construction
Kunnskapssenteret Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58912929&postcount=317) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2196-kunnskapssenteret) Approved
Lerkendal Innovasjonessenter Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58876011&postcount=314) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2181-lerkendal-innovasjon) Approved
Lerkendal Park Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45959899&postcount=23) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2186-lerkendal-park) Approved
Lerkendal Tower Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=52889063&postcount=230) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1105-lerkendal-tower) Approved
Lund Østre Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46000955&postcount=29) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2189-lund-ostre) Approved
Lyngården Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46002643&postcount=30) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2175-lyngarden) Approved
MySpace Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58919053&postcount=319) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2199-myspace) Construction
Opean Space Centre Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45919171&postcount=7) Urbika [1 (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/938-ocean-space-centre)][2 (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/939-ocean-space-center-re)] Proposed
Residencekvartalet Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58917297&postcount=318) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2198-residencekvartalet) Construction
Rica Hotel Bakklandet Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58953397&postcount=326) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2210-rica-hotel) Construction
Rockheim Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45924527&postcount=10) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/937-rockheim) Construction
Sirkeltomten Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46771359&postcount=87) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1878-sirkeltomten) Construction
Sluppenveien 17A Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46764901&postcount=84) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1872-sluppenveien-17a) Construction
Snippen Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=52911303&postcount=233) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1879-snippen) Approved
Sorgenfri Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45919091&postcount=5) Urbika [1 (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1875-sorgenfri)][2 (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1876-sorgenfri)] Proposed
Sorgenfri AIT Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46107737&postcount=48) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2193-sorgenfri-ait) Proposed
Trondheim Næringspark Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45936245&postcount=13) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1873-trondheim-n-aelig-ri) Proposed
Verftstomta Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46109847&postcount=53) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1877-verftstomta) Approved

Trondheim Metro (Stjørdal, Klæbu, Malvik and Melhus) http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/50pixels.gifhttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Other/200pixels.gif
Malvik Storsenter Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46108735&postcount=51) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2192-malvik-storsenter) Construction
Stjørdal Kulturhus Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58967033&postcount=335) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2119-stjordal-kulturhus) Approved
Svebergmarka Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46069729&postcount=41) Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2194-svebergmarka) Approved

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Editing list - projects not listed (in the make).

3T Rosten Skyscrapercity Urbika Construction
Brattørkaia 15 - 16 Skyscrapercity Urbika Approved
E6 Sluppen-Stavne Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58972265&postcount=338) Urbika Approved
E6 Stjørdal Skyscrapercity (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=58972265&postcount=339) Urbika Construction
Gildevangen hotell Skyscrapercity Urbika Construction
Ranheim Vestre Skyscrapercity Urbika Approved
Solbygg Skyscrapercity Urbika Proposed
Sparebank 1 Midtbyen Skyscrapercity Urbika Construction
Trondheim Sentralstasjon Skyscrapercity Urbika Approved
Tverrforbindelsen Skyscrapercity Urbika Approved
Vitenskapsmuseet Skyscrapercity Urbika Approved

IceCheese

November 9th, 2009, 10:58 AM

:applause: Thank you, this is a needed thread! The good projects are a bit rare in this city, but I would guess not as rare as it may be percieved based on activity on SSC (at least I hope so).

Now we only need a Stavanger development thread!:)

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 11:02 AM

Sorgenfri

In February 2008 Wahl Eiendom AS invited three architect firms to make three different proposals for their site at Sorgenfri (Holtermanns veg 70 and
Sorgenfriveien 11). The three proposals were 70°N Arkitektur AS (http://www.70n.no/), Bergersen Arkitekter (http://www.bergersenarkitekter.no/) and 'unknown'.

'Unknown' was announced as winners of the competition in May 2008. They propose four buildings in a complex. Its altogether 58 500 m2 office
area divided in two 10 floor tall buildings on the north side of the site and two 15 floor tall highrise buildings on the south side of the site. There
will also be a large parking garage below the complex.

Since the winning proposal is unknown to me i have no illustrations except this regulation map showing the location of the four towers.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Forslag3.jpg

Proposal 1
70°N Arkitektur's proposal. Four buildings, 27, 26, 21 and 17 floors. View project on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1875-sorgenfri).
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/img4832b52d9f93bsmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/img4832b52c34546small.jpg

Proposal 2
Bergersen Arkitekter's proposal. One large 26 floor tall highrise. View project on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1876-sorgenfri).
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/perspektiv2small.jpg

kjetilab

November 9th, 2009, 11:05 AM

Nice to see Trondheim finally getting its own tread! I'm sure many projects from here have "drowned" in the more general development treads over the years.

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 11:05 AM

Ocean Space Centre

EDIT: I started a thread for this project, see, read and discuss more here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1284967).

http://i50.tinypic.com/2aj4cbp.jpg
Copyright@ MIR (http://mir.no/) download/open rendering (4000x2684 pixels | 5.7Mb .jpg) (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/OceanSpaceCenter4x4000.jpg)

mjoks007

November 9th, 2009, 01:48 PM

Finally a Trondheim thread :) Have you any new information about the Ladeproject?

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 01:49 PM

Rockheim
Rockheim on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/937-rockheim)

A centre and museum for pop and rock music in Norway. Its located in the new development area of Brattøra, an old industrial area which is apart
of the renewal of the harbour and fjordside area in Trondheim. The centre has struggled in its construction, extreme winters and bad fires has
delayed the opening of the centre that offers a very modern educational museum and music facilities.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0063small-1.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 01:52 PM

Have you any new information about the Ladeproject?

I know about two larger projects, but difficult to find much info since they are under development right now. There are one project at Lade Alle 80,
and one much larger right across the street at Lade Allé 59 - 73 which i guess you are referring to. Lade Allé 59 - 73 is is still under development by
PirII Arkitektkontor (http://www.pir2.no/), ARC Arkitekter (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/) and agraff AS (http://www.agraff.no/). It will have 900 apartments and some area for business.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LadeAlle1.jpg

This is Lade Alle 80, right across the street from the project above. Still in early stage of development as far as i know.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Ladealle80.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 05:51 PM

Illsvika Extra
Illsvika Extra on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2176-illsvika-extra)

The last phase of the Illsvika development area. Six buildings with 140 apartments with some stores and offices in the first floors. Construction is
expected to start in November 2010.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2cgojgg.jpg
Large rendering: http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3434/salgstegningerilsvika24.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/t687x2.jpg
Large rendering: http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3434/salgstegningerilsvika24.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/BETWEENBAR_3pix.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/BETWEENBAR_3pix.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/BETWEENBAR_3pix.jpg

Construction Updates

Construction update, July 2d, 2011.
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/5170/trondheimupdate2.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3799/trondheimupdate3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/BETWEENBAR_3pix.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/BETWEENBAR_3pix.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/BETWEENBAR_3pix.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 06:04 PM

Trondheim Næringspark
Trondheim Næringspark on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1873-trondheim-n-aelig-ri)

Trondheim Næringspark (Sluppen Næringspark) is a large office development project at Sluppen, where E6 (Holtermannsveien) and E6
Omkjøringsveien meets. Two alternative developments are been considered. Alternative 1 suggests to keep most of the current 26 500m2 large
building mass, where most of the buildings are 5-6 floors tall. Alternative 2 suggests to tear down some of the current buildings occupying a large
part of the site an build a much larger building. A 20 floor tall highrise is also included in this alternative.

Alternative 1:

Name Height Area Construction
Sluppenveien 5 og 7 6 floors 22 300m2
Sluppenveien 9 1 floor 3 600m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 11 2 floors 6 600m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 13 2 floors 2 800m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 15 5 floors 6 100m2
Sluppenveien 17A 6 floors 6 300m2 2009 - 2011
Sluppenveien 17B og 17C 6 floors 9 800m2 2011 - 2013
Parkeringshus 3 floors 6 400m2
Sluppenveien 19 6 floors 13 600m2
Sluppenveien 21 5 floors 3 400m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 23 5 floors 3 200m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 25 5 floors 5 000m2

= Total area 89 100m2

Alternative 2:

Name Height Area Construction
Sluppenveien 5 og 7 6 floors 28 500m2
Sluppenveien 9 5 floors 18 000m2
Sluppenveien 11 6 floors 21 800m2
Sluppenveien 13 2 floors 2 800m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 15 5 floors 6 100m2
Sluppenveien 17A 6 floors 6 300m2 2009 - 2011
Sluppenveien 17B og 17C 6 floors 9 800m2 2011 - 2013
Parkeringshus 3 floors 6 400m2
Sluppenveien 19 20 floors 17 600m2
Sluppenveien 21 5 floors 3 400m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 23 5 floors 3 200m2 Completed
Sluppenveien 25 5 floors 5 000m2

= Total area 128 900m2

Illustrations | Alternative 1
http://i55.tinypic.com/3310pvk.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2isvz43.jpg

Illustrations | Alternative 2
http://i52.tinypic.com/25jwgog.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/28bu22x.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/whl3ys.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/nqvmdf.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 08:31 PM

Holtermannsvei 1
Holtermannsvei 1 on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2185-holtermannsvei-1)

An ongoing development project where PirII Arkitektkontor (http://www.pir2.no/) won a competition with their three proposals. These are the three proposals they are
working on right now which will come up for a final decision later on. The current site is one large parking lot, a 14 floor tall highrise building, and a
unused plot with trees.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Reguleringsplan1etgsmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Holtermannsveg11small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Holtermannsveg12small.jpg

Proposal 1: Two highrises
The proposal with the largest area (37 446m2). Propose a reconstruction of current 14 floor tall highrise pluss building another 14 floor tall highrise
building right next to.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag1csmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag1asmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag1dsmall.jpg

Proposal 2: One highrise
36 162m2.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag2csmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag2asmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag2dsmall.jpg

Proposal 3: No highrise
The proposal with the lowest area (32 929m2). Suggests to demolish the current highrise building.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag3csmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag31small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Forslag3dsmall.jpg

There will also be built a large 2 floor parking garage under the complex.

54°26′S 3°24′E

November 9th, 2009, 08:57 PM

^^I vote for alternative 3, that building should be demolished...

Originally Posted by IceCheese
The good projects are a bit rare in this city
Yep, thats why i have not bothered about this thread before, though i have been thinking about one since 2004! So know i am making a thread to show you that Trondheim has a long way to go in urban planning and development projects. A shame.
I guess you have not forgotten about the the most visionary projects of them all:
http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00098/mt_flyfoto_modell090_98573e.jpg
http://www.tu.no/industri/article195066.ece
http://www.sintef.no/project/Den%20tredje%20bÃ¸lgen/PDFfiler/WOSC.pdf

This project is still fairly early in the planning process though, and the final project (if approved) may be completely different.

Do you know what happens with the Kjeldsberg highrise?

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 09:46 PM

Do you know what happens with the Kjeldsberg highrise?

We will have to wait a few more years for that one to be built. The first piece, Sluppenveien 17A starts construction now. Then i know they are in good progress with two more office buildings right next to 17A, final renderings and plans will be ready in 2010 so that they hopefully can start construction late 2010 or 2011. The highrise is on the stage after that, so a wild guess is construction start in 2012 the earliest, completion 2015+.

Hansadyret

November 9th, 2009, 10:34 PM

Since the railroad tracks is a big problem with the connection of the harbourfront and downtown Trondheim
they are building a larger walkbrigde above the tracks. Future vision is partly remove and build something above the tracks, but this is not likely to
be done in many years yet.

Yes they should open up the waterfront an harbour to the public somehow. Looks like a huge area available for expansion down there. Is it the port autorities and NSB/jernbaneverket who own this piece of land or Trondheim municipality? I'm not that familiar with Trindheim but could it bee possible to move the godsterminal away from the downtown harbour and maybe put the railtracks in a underground tunnel or something?

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 11:19 PM

^^ to be honest, Trondheim have no waterfront, its all just shit! And their future visions are unclear and weak, seems like the politicians in Trondheim have very little interest in urban developments since they are very eager to expand with large housing districts around Heimdal and beyond.

The tracks block the city from the fjord, and now they are building the new Nordre Avlastningsvei just beside the tracks, so the gap gets even larger. That road was suppose to be built in a tunnel all the way from the Nidelva crossing, but that never happend.

I know a small part of the tracks is been planned removed, but most of the tracks will be there for many many year. There are no plans to move the harbour, and they just launched a new project with some massive terminal buildings on Brattøra which will start construction next year (price: 1 mrd.). The port authorities and NSB/Jernbaneverket own the entire waterfront of Trondheim more or less.

Nyhavna will be interesting though, thats the harbour/industrial area on the east of Nidelva, towards Lade. They have a good vision there at least. Problem again is that there are no plans for where the shipping based industries should go.

Þróndeimr

November 9th, 2009, 11:20 PM

Nyhavna
The most exiting development project in Trondheim is no doubt Nyhavna. This is a large development zone between Lade and Midtbyen which is been used as harbour and
industries today. Developers call their vision "Nyhavna 2030 - Europe's most exiting city district". This development project is five times the size of Aker Brygge in Oslo and
will house residentials, offices, retail, hotels, an aquarium and research-centres for industries and the university.

The idea is to build it over a 20 year period. A concept has been made, you can download the PDF here (77 pages / 15Mb) (http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/01053/Nyhavna_-_Europas__1053130a.pdf). Since the concept rendering is very poor i will just
show you the concept masterplan made by Narud Stokke Wiig (http://www.nsw.no/).

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Nyhavna2030RegularingsplanNavnsmall.jpg

I am really looking forward to the next steps here. And that reason is because this masterplan is a bad one. They will have to do something very different if this is to become the
most exiting development in Europe! So fingers crossed for a very different masterplan next!

mjoks007

November 9th, 2009, 11:44 PM

^^ Sure! Nyhavna is an awesome opportunity to, not just open the waterfront, but build a new and dense part of city which can take some of the expectet growth from areas like Heimdal. With the plan above they wont open the waterfront but practically block it, since much of the area would be isolated with apartments with surburban style.

54°26′S 3°24′E

November 10th, 2009, 12:47 AM

"Those tracks" is the rail freight terminal of Trondheim, which is handily colocated with the harbor. However, the capacity of it is getting to small, and the freight terminal has been an ongoing nightmare of a local discussion in Trondheim, only narrowly beaten by the tramway discussions....

During the 90s, the national railways (NSB) planned to move the terminal to Leangen to the east of the city center, despite extremely heavy opposition. Then, in 2003, when everything was ready and approved, jernbaneverket decided that it was not needed after all. It was a pity, since this caused the unfortunate alignment of "nordre avlastningsveg" to a higher cost, and closed large areas for development. Now, 7 years later, they have realized that a new terminal is needed after all, but Leangen is no longer an option. Instead ideas like Hell (Stjørdal)
http://www.tih.no/uploads/bilder/nyheter/2009/09/090923+Hell+Muruvik+havn.jpg
Øysand, location of Neu Trondheim in Melhus to the south of the city
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01138/oysand_1138351c.jpg
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01138/TrondheimHavn22_1138612d.jpg
Hommelvik, Muruvik and Orkanger are suggested as new locations for a combined freight terminal and harbour. However, Hell and particular Øysand, with Ivar Gafset in the front row, meet heavy opposition, as both areas are relatively untouched environmentally. I doubt that Hommelvik or Muruvik would have enough room for the freight terminal and anyway the terminal should be to the south of the city. Orkanger might be too far away. A remaining option would be to move just the railway terminal. Heimdal has been suggested, but it would be difficult to get enough room, at least for a through terminal. Another rather wild suggestion has been made by Asplan Viak: Put the terminal underground under Tyholt:
http://www.adressa.no/meninger/kronikker/article1076758.ece

In short, although jernaneverket now is looking for a new terminal location and plan to build one ASAP, i expect the tracks to be there for quite some time still. In addition we now have city politicians whose hands are tied up with the labor unions, and they certainly don't want to move any industry out of the city. Hence, it cannot be expected that much harbor area will be freed for development in the next few years either......

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 01:23 AM

^^ There was an article in Adressa few days ago about Nyhavna. There will be some fighting about it.

Trondheim kommune har endelig startet arbeidet med en ny kommunedelplan for Nyhavna. Samfunnsutviklingen går i retning av at dette attraktive området må bli langt mer tilgjengelig for byens befolkning enn det har vært hittil.

Dessverre ser det ut til at planarbeidet i Trondheim blir hemmet av at enkelte politikere har en forutinntatt holdning. Onsdagens seminar ble avsluttet med en diskusjon der Arne Byrkjeflot (Rødt) varslet en «knallhard klassekamp» om Nyhavnas framtid. Han vil for enhver pris unngå at havnearealene blir brukt til andre formål enn i dag, og han får full støtte fra LO.

http://www.adressa.no/meninger/leder/article1407940.ece

About the freight terminal and harbour. Øysand will be a hard one, Hell is certainly a much better location for it. Why not Byneset? There are several locations out there which looks good to me. Its close to Trondheim (and Melhus/Orkanger), also easier to access by sea than Hell/Øysand. Its flat and can easily be accessed by better infrastructure than today.

But whatever location for it will be very problematic and meet heavy opposition.

eh, they should have used Grillstadfjæra for something like this instead of the planned "city" there!

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 01:58 AM

Lerkendal Park
Lerkendal Park on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2186-lerkendal-park)

Larkendal Park is a combined residential and retail project. Seven buildings is planned built, six buildings with 160 apartments and one 9 000m2 large
office and retail building. Construction start of Bygg D and Bygg E and the office building will start in 2010.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LerkendalPark13.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 07:13 PM

Ranheimsfjæra
Close to the planned Grillstadfjæra with 650 apartments is the planned Rainheimsfjæra. Construction is to start in 2010 for the first buildings. The
projects involve building a sport center and football stadiums, a new school, some office/retail and 200 apartments.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/RanheimsfjraReguleringskart1small.jpg

kjetilab

November 10th, 2009, 07:44 PM

This is really some suburban shit...

muster

November 10th, 2009, 07:51 PM

This is really some suburban shit...

My thought exactly.. :ohno:

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 07:58 PM

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 07:59 PM

Berg Studentby
Berg Studentby on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2188-berg-studentby)

Trondheim-based Svein Skibnes Arkitektkontor AS won the competition between 14 proposals to build the new Berg Studentby. Berg Studentby is a
large complex of apartment buildings for students and is located very close to Trondheim University (NTNU). The new 'city' will have 644 new
apartments divided between 37 'towers', some of them connected making a larger building. After some delays, construction started in 2009.
Completion in 2011.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BergStudentby3small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BergStudentby5small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/BergStudentby2small.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 08:51 PM

Lund Østre
Lund Østre on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2189-lund-ostre)

330 apartments due southwest from Heimdal. Construction start in May 2010. Website: http://lundostre.com/

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LundstreReguleringsplansmall.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Lundstre1small.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 10th, 2009, 09:22 PM

Lyngården
Lyngården on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2175-lyngarden)

A 14 000m2 large office and business building located along the E6 ringroad. Construction is expected to start in 2010 with completion 1 1/2 years later.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Lyngrden1small.jpg

Ingenioren

November 11th, 2009, 01:35 PM

mjoks007

November 11th, 2009, 02:08 PM

Many boring projects planned in Trondheim :ohno:

"Hjertepromenaden" looks good though.

54°26′S 3°24′E

November 11th, 2009, 11:35 PM

^^ Not everybody loves skyscrapers you know.... Personally I don't think Trondheim downtown is the place for much experimental architecture, and I think most people agree with me. However, if the harbor areas could be opened, there should be room for some innovative buildings. The south / central areas of the city clearly also could be developed in a more exciting way...

Another landmark which can be seen from most of the city, in addition to those we already have (Tyholt tower, Kristiansten fortress, Nidaros Catherdral, Munkholmen) would be nice, but it is not enough that they can be seen, it should also be something special about it. With exiting architecture I dont mean a some efficient functionalistic highrise, whether they are clad in glass or not they are all over the world and we don't need any here. The fundamental problem with any "spectacular" project would of course be capital....
Why not Byneset? There are several locations out there which looks good to me. Its close to Trondheim (and Melhus/Orkanger), also easier to access by sea than Hell/Øysand. Its flat and can easily be accessed by better infrastructure than today.

Over my dead body :lol: The problem is that there is no railway out there today, and a new terminal should preferably be of a type that can be driven through by the trains, and a lot of prime farmland and / or prime Trondheim recreational area has to be sacrified.

My guess is that the railway terminal, after a lot of fighting, will be moved to either Storsand, Hell or Melhus (not Øysand), and some of the activity of the Trondheim harbor can perhaps be moved to Muruvik, Hell or Orkanger. Orkanger is probably the only place that would perhaps welcome both a railway terminal and harbor. The problem with Orkanger, however, is that they are not connected to the national railway network, although it would be good for the local industry, it would cost a billion or two to connect I guess. However, they have the oldest electric railway of Norway, Thamshavnbanen (http://www.oi.no/norsk/avdelinger/thamshavnbanen.html)....
http://www.oi.no/images/lok2_svorkmo.jpg

mjoks007

November 11th, 2009, 11:54 PM

IceCheese

November 12th, 2009, 12:05 AM

Trondheim has recently got the country most energy-efficient officebuilding:

http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00122/KLP-bygget_09102810_122427e.jpg

http://www.tu.no/bygg/article227061.ece

3 new housing-districts with high goals for energy-efficiensy under planning in Trondheim:
http://www.tu.no/bygg/article227286.ece

Why is energy-efficient synonymous with repetitive and boring facades in this country?!

Many boring projects planned in Trondheim :ohno:

"Hjertepromenaden" looks good though.

I tried reading the PDF, but the Rema-Reitan got in my face, and I had to close it... It'll sure be good for the image of the city and tourism, but I would welcome more densification in the "heart"-area to make the downtown more attractive instead.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 12:20 AM

Over my dead body :lol: The problem is that there is no railway out there today, and a new terminal should preferably be of a type that can be driven through by the trains, and a lot of prime farmland and / or prime Trondheim recreational area has to be sacrified.

Well, if they consider Øysand as main location they will have to build a 5km long railroad there. Byneset is 5-10km further away (depending on a location). Building a railroad and better road isn't much of a cost. Byneset is also very easily accessible by ships compared to Trondheim Havn, Orkanger, Øysand, Hell. So i'd rather take Byneset than Øysand. Of course, best choice would be Hell/Muruvika.

Another landmark which can be seen from most of the city, in addition to those we already have (Tyholt tower, Kristiansten fortress, Nidaros Catherdral, Munkholmen) would be nice, but it is not enough that they can be seen, it should also be something special about it. With exiting architecture I dont mean a some efficient functionalistic highrise, whether they are clad in glass or not they are all over the world and we don't need any here. The fundamental problem with any "spectacular" project would of course be capital....

Trondheim is not a place for highrises, i am certainly not thinking about highrises when thinking good urban development of Trondheim. A unique signal building as you say is very welcome, but with the current creativity in Trondheim i doubt we will see a highrise signal tower which would be worth getting built.

A good place for office highrises is Tempe-Sluppen, but not a place for a signal tower. Lower highrises (10-12 floors) can be considered at Nyhava and Elgeseter if its been built to make it dense, not like its been down in Trondheim today; building three highrises, with loads of greenery and parking around it making it just as efficient as using the entire plot for houses which is ridiculous. I do not like the idea of more Elvehavn Brygge's either. Its dense, but its 10 buildings on 7-9 floors which the exact same design, right smack in the center. I'd rather copy Tjuvholmen.

Why is energy-efficient synonymous with repetitive and boring facades in this country?!

Its actually worse than on the picture. Its a gigantic dark industrial wall facing Elgeseters gate, a street which could become brilliant if they removed all the traffic, and did not build huge office/research buildings like that facing the street.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 12:22 AM

Elgeseter gate 16 og 18
Elgeseter gate 16 og 18 on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2187-elgeseter-gate-16-og)

A project right next to the hospital close to Midtbyen. Three buildings is been planned, tallest at 5 floors (21m). There will be a parking garage under
the complex capable to room 250 cars. The three buildings will room apartments, offices, stores and a hotel. Voll Arkitekter AS (http://www.vollark.no/) is the architects
behind the proposal.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Elgesetergate16og181small.jpg

mjoks007

November 12th, 2009, 12:42 AM

I do not like the idea of more Elvehavn Brygge's either. Its dense, but its 10 buildings on 7-9 floors which the exact same design, right smack in the center. I'd rather copy Tjuvholmen.

Absolutly. Nyhavna (more or less) like as big Tjuvholmen with over 300% TU would be ideal! :cheers: Im afraid thats not going to happen though, some cities consider good city development with big green areas and low density...:nuts:

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 12:48 AM

Elgeseters Gate + Holtermannsvei has such a great potential. Its right next to the university, and very central. A perfect place for students to live in my opinion. A higher density there and they could aim for a bybane up to Lerkendal and Tempe.

Just showing future development sites are.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Kart2small.jpg

mjoks007

November 12th, 2009, 12:59 AM

^^ Villa-areas are holy ground, so keep dreaming:lol:

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 01:10 AM

Svebergmarka
Svebergmarka on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2194-svebergmarka)

The largest project in Malvik, suburban town of Trondheim. 900 apartments, mostly in single houses. Construction of Felt B1 starts in late 2010.
Website: http://www.svebergmarka.no/

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Omradet-sett-ovenfrasmall.jpg

Ingenioren

November 12th, 2009, 11:15 AM

New Rica hotel under construction:
http://reiselivsnytt.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/ricatrondheim01_sak.jpg

http://reiselivsnytt.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/ricatrondheim02b.jpg

Tohaki

November 12th, 2009, 05:57 PM

Bergersen Arkitekter's proposal. One large 26 floor tall highrise.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/perspektiv2small.jpgOoh, I like that. What a shame it was not chosen. As you say it would be interesting to see the winner.

Trondheim has recently got the country most energy-efficient officebuilding:

http://www.tu.no/multimedia/archive/00122/KLP-bygget_09102810_122427e.jpg

http://www.tu.no/bygg/article227061.ece

3 new housing-districts with high goals for energy-efficiensy under planning in Trondheim:
http://www.tu.no/bygg/article227286.eceWhy is energy-efficient synonymous with repetitive and boring facades in this country?!It is actually not quite as boring as it looks in that picture. The dark grey part of the façade is covered in natural stone.

Elgeseters Gate + Holtermannsvei has such a great potential. Its right next to the university, and very central. A perfect place for students to live in my opinion. A higher density there and they could aim for a bybane up to Lerkendal and Tempe.

Just showing future development sites are.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Kart2small.jpgIf I remember correctly there are dormant plans to convert Elgesetergata into a proper avenue where the side-walk and road is separated by trees the full length. All that stands in the way are three older buildings, that are easy to pick out. That is why all newer buildings have been built further back on the western side of the street. When I was a child the tram went most of the way up Elgesetergata.

^^ Villa-areas are holy ground, so keep dreaming:lol:^^ its not villas actually, especially those west of Holtermannsvei 1, and those east of the street. Many of those houses (large houses with 4-6 apaptments) is in a poor condition.I think NTNU, and maybe St. Olavs, own many of those houses anyway.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 06:27 PM

It is actually not quite as boring as it looks in that picture. The dark grey part of the façade is covered in natural stone.

I do like the cladding, its nice (and i am a big fan of the use of natural stone (skifer etc.)). But it gets ruined by the very long facade toward the street, and especially its industrial looking-line of windows.

If I remember correctly there are dormant plans to convert Elgesetergata into a proper avenue where the side-walk and road is separated by trees the full length. All that stands in the way are three older buildings, that are easy to pick out. That is why all newer buildings have been built further back on the western side of the street. When I was a child the tram went most of the way up Elgesetergata.

I think NTNU, and maybe St. Olavs, own many of those houses anyway.

Yes, there was some plans a few years ago, to lower the road and built a lock above the trafficated road from the railroad crossing and down to the older buildings (just north of Rema 1000), while only buses and potential tramlines was to be built on top. I am not exactly sure what the current plan is though.

Btw, welcome to the forum!

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 06:55 PM

More about Lade Alle 59-73 (In Norwegian)
Reguleringsplanen strekker seg fra Lade allé 59-72. Planområdet er totalt ca. 82 dekar og planlegges bygget ut med 750-800 boliger. Reguleringsarbeidet er utført i samarbeid med Pir II Plan as. ARC har sett nærmere på delområdene i vest, Lade allé 59-63 og 63-65. Områdene nyttes i dag til forretning-, lager-, produksjon- og kontorvirksomhet.

Lade allé 59-63
Området foreslås regulert til boliger, almennyttige formål (barnehage), forretninger og felles lekeområder for barn. Det planlegges en utbygging på ca. 25700 m² bruksareal (BRA).

Lade allé 63-65
Området foreslås regulert til boliger, felles lekeområder for barn, kontor- og forretningsvirksomhet. Det planlegges ca. 8200 m² bruksareal (BRA) til bolig og 6600 m² BRA til kontor/forretning.

Boligbebyggelse mot Lade allé er organisert i kvartaler, og det er tenkt strøksbetjenende næring, barnehage i sokkel/1.etg. (LA 59-63) og kontor/forretningsarealer (LA 63-65) mot lokalgaten. Det er lagt vekt på å skape større, sammenhengende uteområder med gode solforhold. Bebyggelsen har varierende høyde, 3-7 etasjer og en oppbrutt karakter for å ivareta gode gangforbindelser mellom husene, samt lys og utsikt for boligene.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LadeAlle59-731.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LadeAlle59-732.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LadeAlle59-733.jpg

Tohaki

November 12th, 2009, 07:19 PM

I do like the cladding, its nice (and i am a big fan of the use of natural stone (skifer etc.)). But it gets ruined by the very long facade toward the street, and especially its industrial looking-line of windows.Yes, it is not a beauty by any means.

Yes, there was some plans a few years ago, to lower the road and built a lock above the trafficated road from the railroad crossing and down to the older buildings (just north of Rema 1000), while only buses and potential tramlines was to be built on top. I am not exactly sure what the current plan is though.My guess would be a wait-and-see approach. I think there is a still a desire to make an avenue, but three buildings remain an obstacle. There was a fourth, but it was pulled down after a youth occupation around 1990.

Btw, welcome to the forum!Thank you! I have always been interested in the development of Trondheim, and other Norwegian cities, so this seemed like a good forum.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 07:41 PM

My guess would be a wait-and-see approach. I think there is a still a desire to make an avenue, but three buildings remain an obstacle. There was a fourth, but it was pulled down after a youth occupation around 1990.

I guess a lot depends on the current traffic situation too esp. with new infastructure plans for Sluppen/Osloveien and the completion of Nordre Avlastningsvei which will hopefully make less people choose Elgeseter.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 07:44 PM

Sorgenfri AIT
Sorgenfri AIT on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2193-sorgenfri-ait)

A study of a site at Sorgenfri. The plan is to redevelope the area to host both apartments, offices and retail. The concept opens for a highrise up to 15 floors.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/SorgenfriAIT13.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/SorgenfriAIT2.jpg

mjoks007

November 12th, 2009, 07:49 PM

Is the design and color at those Lade blocks final?

Edit: Welcome Tohaki!

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 07:57 PM

^^ not final, but that is very much what they will look like yes.

They should have included more architect firms to work on different buildings in that project. It would raise the diversity of design and architecture = better quality.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 08:03 PM

Malvik Storsenter
Malvik Storsenter on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2192-malvik-storsenter)

Malvik Storsenter is a new shopping center been built at Sveberg (close to Hommelvik) along E6 between Trondheim and Stjørdal. The mall will have
50 stores and will be opened in November 2010.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/MalvikStorsenter1small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/MalvikStorsenterReguleringplansmall.jpg

Ingenioren

November 12th, 2009, 08:16 PM

Malvik storsenter.... :puke:

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 08:25 PM

Verftstomta
Verftstomta on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1877-verftstomta)

This is what is about to start construction at one of the last unbuilt plots at Nedre Elvehavn. Designed by ARC Arkitekter (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/). Its a 6 floor tall,
15 000sqm large office and retail building.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Verftstomta3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Verftstomta1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Verftstomta2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/VerftstomtaReguleringsplansmall.jpg

Tohaki

November 12th, 2009, 08:27 PM

Svebergmarka
The largest project in Malvik, suburban town of Trondheim. 900 apartments, mostly in single houses. Construction of Felt B1 starts in late 2010.
Website: http://www.svebergmarka.no/

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Omradet-sett-ovenfrasmall.jpgAh, now I understand where this is. It is close to that Sparkjøp centre.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 08:29 PM

^^ yes, and Rema 1000, used to be Lidl.

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 08:37 PM

This is a few years old now, but the expansion plans for City Syd at Heimdal is still alive. We can expect the shopping mall (largest in Trondheim today) to become twice as large in area.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/CitySydARC1.jpg

Tohaki

November 12th, 2009, 08:52 PM

Verftstomta
- bæste tomta i by'n

This is what is about to start construction at one of the last unbuilt plots at Nedre Elvehavn. Designed by ARC Arkitekter (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/). Its a 6 floor tall, 15 000sqm large office and retail building.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Verftstomta3.jpgI have to say that I'm a little disappointed by this. It is not horrible, but with such a good situation I feel they could have done better.

This is a few years old now, but the expansion plans for City Syd at Heimdal is still alive. We can expect the shopping mall (largest in Trondheim today) to become twice as large in area.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/CitySydARC1.jpgWow, this is certainly ambitious. Working in one of the Rosten highrises I wouldn't mind the company though.

54°26′S 3°24′E

November 12th, 2009, 09:30 PM

Welcome Tohaki!

Well, if they consider Øysand as main location they will have to build a 5km long railroad there. Byneset is 5-10km further away (depending on a location). Building a railroad and better road isn't much of a cost. Byneset is also very easily accessible by ships compared to Trondheim Havn, Orkanger, Øysand, Hell. So i'd rather take Byneset than Øysand. Of course, best choice would be Hell/Muruvika.

Since the Germans never got to build their 300 k city around G(a)ulosen I think developing Øysand now is unrealistic because it will rise (and already has risen) so much opposition. However, Byneset will surely rise much more opposition. Remember that Byneset / Bymarka is the most important recreational area of Trondheim, far more important than Øysand. In addition the transporters won't be very happy, as it will be a detour. I guess the only friends of this alternative would be people at Fosen wanting a better road to the ferry, but lets build a tunnel across the fjord instead :banana:

I like Hell/Muruvik as well, because it would mean relative little damage to farmland as well as nature (Hell area isn't that cozy anyway..), and probably will be relatively cheap to built as it close to the railway. However, the transporters don't like it as it is north of Trondheim, meaning thatall goods coming from the south to Trondheim will have to make a 65 km or so detour. Interestingly, the Hell alternative has rised both a "yes" and "nay" group on facebook.

In the mean time, it seems like people of Orkdal / Skaun start to mobilize in order to get their railway. There is a link in Norwegian about one proposal here (http://laukeland.no/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=1&Itemid=54). In fact, the project is quite interesting, as they plan a floating construction. The proposed railway would be 18 km, mostly in tunnel, and would of course mean a detour for the goods as well. However, it might be good for commuters out there to get a railway.

I am starting to think that the best alternative in fact would be to build the Tyholt underground alternative instead. Widening the current railway tunnel would certainly be cheaper than building 18 km of new tunnel, and in addition the freigth travel distances would be minimized, and whenever they need more space they can just drill som more. In addition Muruvik / Hell should be developed as the main harbour. At the same time, I still believe that some Melhus alternative will be chosen, as it probably will be the cheapest for jernbaneverket. That would only be because they will not pay the true price of the land, however, and since it would be far away from any harbor, some sort of terminal may have to remain at Brattøra.

NRK link about the freight terminal (http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/distrikt/trondelag/verdi/113365
). Apparently the process is still quite open.

Trondheim is not a place for highrises, i am certainly not thinking about highrises when thinking good urban development of Trondheim. A unique signal building as you say is very welcome, but with the current creativity in Trondheim i doubt we will see a highrise signal tower which would be worth getting built.

I guess cash is a bigger problem than creativity...

Absolutly. Nyhavna (more or less) like as big Tjuvholmen with over 300% TU would be ideal! :cheers: Im afraid thats not going to happen though, some cities consider good city development with big green areas and low density...:nuts:
TU=? I would be surprised if there will be much greenery on Nyhavna in the future. However, I will also be surprised if I like whatever new architecture would come up.

Actually, quite a lot of greenery has disappeared in Trondheim the last couple of years as the city has become a lot denser. I think this is a difficult trade-off, as it makes the city less attractive for families as long as there is not a major park in central Trondheim.
Elgeseters Gate + Holtermannsvei has such a great potential. Its right next to the university, and very central. A perfect place for students to live in my opinion. A higher density there and they could aim for a bybane up to Lerkendal and Tempe.

Just showing future development sites are.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/Kart2small.jpg

Yes, there was some plans a few years ago, to lower the road and built a lock above the trafficated road from the railroad crossing and down to the older buildings (just north of Rema 1000), while only buses and potential tramlines was to be built on top. I am not exactly sure what the current plan is though.

Btw, welcome to the forum!
:lol: (sorry, couldn't resist)

As you probably know there were some great plans a couple of years ago, to move the Dragvoll campus here, but with little to no money promised from the national government, and due to large internal opposition at the university the project was cancelled. Currently, I guess the university just sits on their properties in the area to leave some room for future expansion.

There is still a project called Elgeseter gate in the "Miljøpakke Trondheim", but I am not quite sure what it is about, and I think it has low priority.

I guess a lot depends on the current traffic situation too esp. with new infastructure plans for Sluppen/Osloveien and the completion of Nordre Avlastningsvei which will hopefully make less people choose Elgeseter.
After the new bus lane was introduced Elgeseter gate is severly under capacity. Nordre Avlastningsvei will not change that, as it will probably have enough with handling the traffic from Byåsen and Fosen (it will be under capacity at the opening day!)

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 09:36 PM

I have to say that I'm a little disappointed by this. It is not horrible, but with such a good situation I feel they could have done better.

You are right. It does not add anything to the city except more office/retail area. Its basically the same as its nabour buildings. It should have been something drawing a line between the Midtbyen buildings and Møllenberg/Bakklandet wooden buildings. Again i see the potential of using more diversity in architecture of such a large building.

Wow, this is certainly ambitious. Working in one of the Rosten highrises I wouldn't mind the company though.

Its certainly a place where they can build more highrises if necessary.

A 20 floor tall building would look about this on that location.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/DSC_01661small.jpg

54°26′S 3°24′E

November 12th, 2009, 09:38 PM

^^ Thumbs up!
I have to say that I'm a little disappointed by this. It is not horrible, but with such a good situation I feel they could have done better.
I really hate the way they always withdraw the upper floor on all new buildings in central Trondheim just to get another floor approved. It looks so ugly at a distance, IMO it would be much better to build that other floor complete to get a coherent facade, or in many cases, not having that extra floor at all. However, the city politicians do not seem to care about aesthetics........

mjoks007

November 12th, 2009, 09:50 PM

TU=? I would be surprised if there will be much greenery on Nyhavna in the future. However, I will also be surprised if I like whatever new architecture would come up.

Actually, quite a lot of greenery has disappeared in Trondheim the last couple of years as the city has become a lot denser. I think this is a difficult trade-off, as it makes the city less attractive for families as long as there is not a major park in central Trondheim.

TU= tomteutnyttelse. One building with two floors all over Nyhavna without any parks, streets or squares, TU would be 200%. So with parks, streets and squares I think approx. 7 floors would be enough to get TU around 300%, a dense city.

Im not against greenery, but if they overdo it, the urban feel will dissapear. If a new urban part of city is what they want with Nyhavna(?)
You are off cource right, for families, greenery is very importent, but not all greenery needs to be public parks. Green courtyards isolated from street/public will make a better and safer environment for those who lives there. And a more interesting street for those who not live there. Win win situation :dunno:

Þróndeimr

November 12th, 2009, 09:51 PM

Trondheims Hjerte
Both still a vision and a actual project. Construction of some of their visions is to start in 2010. The vision is to
basically give more life to every part of Midtbyen by urbanization and beautification. You can read a lot more
about this project on the website, Trondheims Hjerte "Trondheim skal bli Europas mest åpne og levende by" (http://www.trondheimshjerte.no/).

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Hjertepromenaden1smallssc.jpg

This is a project i will come back to later on, meanwhile check out this PDF (3.2Mb) (http://www.trondheimshjerte.no/assets/vedlegg/avis_trondheimshjerte.pdf).

One of the projects under Trondheims Hjerte is the suggested glass-roof covering much the pedestrian street. This is
how it might look like in Thomas Angell's Gate.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/ThomasAngells2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/ThomasAngells1.jpg

Ingenioren

November 12th, 2009, 10:39 PM

I really hate the way they always withdraw the upper floor on all new buildings in central Trondheim just to get another floor approved. It looks so ugly at a distance, IMO it would be much better to build that other floor complete to get a coherent facade, or in many cases, not having that extra floor at all. However, the city politicians do not seem to care about aesthetics........

I have to disagree, setback floors are genius way of appearing lower height from streetlevel, and i even think it looks great from distance:) There is basicly no buildings going up without setbacks here in Oslo either...

IceCheese

November 13th, 2009, 12:50 AM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/ThomasAngells2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/ThomasAngells1.jpg

Jeeezz.... No! Not ever!!!

^^ Thumbs up!

I really hate the way they always withdraw the upper floor on all new buildings in central Trondheim just to get another floor approved. It looks so ugly at a distance, IMO it would be much better to build that other floor complete to get a coherent facade, or in many cases, not having that extra floor at all. However, the city politicians do not seem to care about aesthetics........

My impression is that this was far more common in the old days, buildings usually had a "loft" of some kind... Or are you saying commies is the good old way?:dunno:

Tohaki

November 13th, 2009, 10:23 PM

You are right. It does not add anything to the city except more office/retail area. Its basically the same as its nabour buildings. It should have been something drawing a line between the Midtbyen buildings and Møllenberg/Bakklandet wooden buildings. Again i see the potential of using more diversity in architecture of such a large building.Yes, it wouldn't have to be the Guggenheim Bilbao, just something a little more interesting.

Its certainly a place where they can build more highrises if necessary.

A 20 floor tall building would look about this on that location.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Skyscrapercity/DSC_01661small.jpgThat would look quite good, I think. By the way, did you know that when they built Trekanten they had planned to build an identical building right next to it?

Þróndeimr

November 14th, 2009, 01:49 AM

I think. By the way, did you know that when they built Trekanten they had planned to build an identical building right next to it?

No i did not, too young to remember! :P I'd rather double the height of the current tower than two identical towers though!

Þróndeimr

November 15th, 2009, 03:08 PM

Klostergata 46-48
Klostergata 46-48 on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2191-klostergata-46-48)

ARC Arkitekter (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/) is behind this 6600m2 large building will will house several clinics for alcohol and drug addicts.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Klostergata46-481.jpg

mjoks007

November 16th, 2009, 12:20 PM

Population growth presents challenges (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/leder/article1411678.ece)

Tohaki

November 16th, 2009, 01:41 PM

Population growth presents challenges (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/leder/article1411678.ece)Hopefully this will positively influence the current "bybane" report that the municipality is working on.

I like the picture in the article. A very nice view of downtown Trondheim.

mjoks007

November 16th, 2009, 01:55 PM

Indeed, great aerial. Illustrate pretty good where the growth should be located as well:yes:

Tohaki

November 17th, 2009, 05:09 PM

This façade renovation project has been rejected by Riksantikvaren (Norwegian Directorate for Cultural Heritage). I can't say I blame them though, as I fail to see how it would have been an improvement. If you want to make that building look better then you have two options; Do a proper renovation or tear it down.

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1411897.ece

City of Rain

November 17th, 2009, 05:57 PM

Tohaki

November 17th, 2009, 07:25 PM

Well, there is no accounting for taste. :)

Here is another project which I hadn't seen before:

http://www.underdusken.no/nyhet/2008/4/797262/vil+du+dele+kj%C3%B8kken+med+hundre%3F
http://www.sit.no/europan/

It is a student flat building on one of the available plots in Elgesetergata, quite close to that energy-efficient office building mentioned earlier in this thread, but on the opposite side. The design is quite unconventional, and I don't think I will know if I like it before it is completed.

abk

November 20th, 2009, 10:21 PM

Hey guys, great thread you got going here! :okay:

I agree with you, but there is a thing between skyscrapers and new surburban housing disctricts. Personally I think very tall buildings would fit best along Elgsetergate and new deveopments at Lade. Nyhavna should be a new dense part of the city with real citylife. A signal building or two wouldt hurt, but worst case scenario would be a unurban park/science area like the vision showed on last page.

I would like to see some tall buildings along Haakon VII gate on Lade too. But is there any height regulations considering it's fairly close to Ringve Museum?

Þróndeimr

November 21st, 2009, 11:58 AM

^^ welcome to the forums! :okay:

Can't find any clear answer to if there is any restrictions/regulations for highrises on Lade. But i guess this PDF (Høyhus i Trondheim | 7.2Mb) (http://www.trondheim.kommune.no/attachment.ap?id=13741) can give a thereabout answer, though its not mentioning much about the Lade area.

Þróndeimr

November 25th, 2009, 11:54 AM

'Lerkendal Tower' alive?
News from 24/11-09 Byavisa article (http://www.byavisa.no/byavisa/artikler.php?artid=3934)

Høyhus på Lerkendal
En av grunntankene bak å flytte til Lade er likevel å bruke tomtene på Lerkendal til noe helt annet enn treningsbaner, nemlig *eiendomsutvikling.
– Vi jobber i stedet med områdene ved stadion som ikke trenger omregulering, slik som parkeringsplassen. Vi har lov til å bygge et høyhus med hotell, og kanskje knytte det inn mot stadion og utvikling av den. Det innebærer å flytte enkelte aktører ut fra stadion, forteller Skutle.

22 etasjer høy
– Hvor konkrete er byggeplanene?
– Det er ting vi jobber med. Det er allerede regulering for å bygge høyhus på 22 etasjer med x antall kvadratmeter. Men vi jobber med helhetlige planer. Vi kan for eksempel ikke bygge et høyhus slik at vi ikke etterpå kan bygge ut stadion, avslutter Nils Skutle, vel vitende om at Trondheim vil bli arrangørby dersom Norge og Sverige får Fotball-EM i 2016.

Þróndeimr

November 25th, 2009, 11:55 AM

Dropper Lade-hallen
RBKs planer om å flytte treningsanlegget sitt til Lade skrin legges.

Read more here (http://www.byavisa.no/byavisa/artikler.php?artid=3934)

Ingenioren

November 25th, 2009, 12:00 PM

Wow, they are already approved for 22 floors? :) What a nice surprice!

Þróndeimr

November 25th, 2009, 12:02 PM

Wow, they are already approved for 22 floors? :) What a nice surprice!

Its been approved since 2001, but in 2003 they officially said they were not going to build it. I guess they didn't cancel their approval back then, and is ready to go without new rounds. :)

Ingenioren

November 25th, 2009, 12:06 PM

Regulations are valid for 10 years... So they might have to go another round if they are slow....

Kjello0

November 25th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Original plan from 2000
http://www.rbkweb.no/nye-lerkendal/bilder/oversiktskart.gif
http://www.rbkweb.no/nye-lerkendal/bilder/oversikt.jpg

Lerkendal vest was planed as 16 000 m2 offices, but has now been changed to 9000 m2 offices and 200 apartments.
http://www.rbkweb.no/images/lerkendal_park.jpg

Lerkendal sør was planed as combined parking house for 210 cars and 9000 m2 offices.

Lerkendal Tower was planed with a hotell the first 4-5 floors, and 18 000 m2 of offices the last 17-18 floors.

Along with the planed moving of the training grounds to Lade there has been plans of building several office buildings on the area along with Lerkendal sør and Lerkendal Tower. NTNU was also intrested in the areas when they talked about moving everything to one campus.
http://www.rbkweb.no/images/lerkendal2018_2.jpg

Þróndeimr

November 25th, 2009, 02:50 PM

About Lerkendal tower from 2002:

Lerkendal Tower:
Et høyhus på 20 etasjer. De fire nederste etasjene vil inneholde et hotell med 120 rom. Ennå er ikke hotellkjeden bestemt. Ellers vil det være leiligheter og kontorer i tårnet. Byggestart tidligst 2003/04 og ferdig 2005/06.

Then news from late 2003:
Etter flere utsettelser, ble planene om bygging av næringsbygg kraftig redusert høsten 2003. Kun "hesteskobygget" vil bli reist.

Thats the history.

Lerkendal vest was planed as 16 000 m2 offices, but has now been changed to 9000 m2 offices and 200 apartments.
http://www.rbkweb.no/images/lerkendal_park.jpg

This is what is known as Lerkendal Park today, info in reply 23 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45959899&postcount=23).

Þróndeimr

November 25th, 2009, 03:09 PM

Sirkeltomten
Sirkeltomten on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1878-sirkeltomten)

PKA Arkitekter (http://www.pka.no/) won the competition to design the last site in Nedre Elvehavn towards northeast. One of its competitors was
Kristin Jarmund Arkitekter with a 17 floor tall highrise proposal. PKA's proposal is under construction, and will be completed in
2010. The 15 000sqm large building have a parking garage under the building. The building will house retail, office and
residential space.

http://www.pka.no/bilder/prosjekter/sirkeltomten/sirkeltomten2.jpg

http://www.pka.no/bilder/prosjekter/sirkeltomten/sirkeltomten5.jpg

Tohaki

November 28th, 2009, 08:37 PM

'Lerkendal Tower' alive?
News from 24/11-09 Byavisa article (http://www.byavisa.no/byavisa/artikler.php?artid=3934)22 etasjer høy
– Hvor konkrete er byggeplanene?
– Det er ting vi jobber med. Det er allerede regulering for å bygge høyhus på 22 etasjer med x antall kvadratmeter. Men vi jobber med helhetlige planer. Vi kan for eksempel ikke bygge et høyhus slik at vi ikke etterpå kan bygge ut stadion, avslutter Nils Skutle, vel vitende om at Trondheim vil bli arrangørby dersom Norge og Sverige får Fotball-EM i 2016.That's cool. I really hope we get the Euro 2016. Fingers crossed! :)

Lerkendal vest was planed as 16 000 m2 offices, but has now been changed to 9000 m2 offices and 200 apartments.
http://www.rbkweb.no/images/lerkendal_park.jpgI'm not quite sure exactly where Elgesetergata becomes Holtermannsvegen, but I suppose the railway overpass to Lerkendal Station is as good a border as anywhere between a more proper city centre development in Elgeseter, and a slightly more suburban pattern to the south. If you think like that then Lerkendal Park fits right in. There are also some similar buildings, although on a smaller scale, being put up further south along that road.

Sirkeltomten
PKA Arkitekter (http://www.pka.no/) won the competition to design the last site in Nedre Elvehavn towards northeast. One of its competitors was Kristin Jarmund Arkitekter with a 17 floor tall highrise proposal.I'm not sure what to think about this building. I think perhaps I would have liked the highrise proposal better. Does anyone know when the work on the underground motorway will begin in that neighbourhood? ...or perhaps it has begun already?

By the way, Þróndheimr, what did you think of the SiT design in Elgesetergata?

ivar_ka

November 28th, 2009, 11:59 PM

Does anyone know when the work on the underground motorway will begin in that neighbourhood? ...or perhaps it has begun already?

They have started a long time ago moving the railway tracks. Takes a long time. On Monday they will start doing some tests on sheet piling (is that the correct term? :?)

http://www.vegvesen.no/Vegprosjekter/e6ost/Nyhetsarkiv/115090.cms

Ivar

ivar_ka

November 29th, 2009, 12:03 AM

Trekanttomten

http://www.jsta.no/assets/webbilder//trekanttomta_569x275.jpg

http://www.agraff.no/
http://www.jsta.no/index.php?p=21-33-30&url=www.jsta.no

Ivar

ivar_ka

November 29th, 2009, 12:10 AM

Speilet (Snippen?)

http://prora.no/displayimage.asp?id=620

http://www.arcarkitekter.no/prosjekter.php?id=251&cat=prosjekter_bolig
http://prora.no/

Tohaki

December 2nd, 2009, 08:10 PM

Trekanttomten

http://www.jsta.no/assets/webbilder//trekanttomta_569x275.jpgI like this design, and it finishes off that city block as well as can be expected.

Speilet (Snippen?)

http://prora.no/displayimage.asp?id=620The design and the materials/colours are not bad, but I'm not sure I like the way it adapts to its lot.

Ingenioren

December 3rd, 2009, 11:34 AM

Trondheim is starting investigation for new tramlines from Midtbyen to Ila, Sluppen and Strindheim:
http://www.doffin.no/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=DEC138257

IceCheese

December 3rd, 2009, 11:37 AM

^^Well, it's typical AP, isn't it?

"Sure we'll start an investigation on the process, but no chance in hell we'll actually fund it when they day for building it arrives!"

Tohaki

December 3rd, 2009, 12:52 PM

Trondheim is starting investigation for new tramlines from Midtbyen to Ila, Sluppen and Strindheim:
http://www.doffin.no/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=DEC138257It is in connection with this:

http://www.trondheim.kommune.no/content.ap?thisId=1117650829

^^Well, it's typical AP, isn't it?

"Sure we'll start an investigation on the process, but no chance in hell we'll actually fund it when they day for building it arrives!"After years of talk about putting down track in Midtbyen again (under both centre-left and centre-right councils) I share your scepticism that anything will come of it, but I'm looking forward to reading the report when it is finished.

Þróndeimr

December 3rd, 2009, 02:39 PM

A study on how to develop the Tempe area. This is not a new study, but still interesting.

5xTempe

"En fleksibel og robust bydel" - 480 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Enfleksibelogrobusbydel.jpg

"En karaktersterk bydel" - 430 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Enkaraktersterkbydel.jpg

"En tett og urban bydel" - 348 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Entettogurbanbydel.jpg

"En åpen og grønn bydel" - 263 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Enpenoggrnnbydel.jpg

"Univesitetsbydelen" - 370 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Universitetsbydelen.jpg

Þróndeimr

December 3rd, 2009, 06:01 PM

Grilstad Park
Grilstad Park on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2195-grilstad-park)

16 out of 18 apartments is sold in the first construction phase of Grilstad Park, a new residential area at Ranheim, very close to Grilstad Marina. Construction will start very soon. Each apartment has a price on 4.5 million NOK.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/GrillstadPark2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/GrillstadPark1.jpg

B4 is the first construction phase in this project.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/GrillstadPark3.jpg

IceCheese

December 3rd, 2009, 06:27 PM

"En karaktersterk bydel" - 430 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Enkaraktersterkbydel.jpg

Putting commies right at the center of it, surrounded by huge one-floorers make it "karaktersterk"?:ohno: Did the 70ies never end?

Þróndeimr

December 3rd, 2009, 10:54 PM

^^ it was just a way to show how to build highrises, but it show how narrow minded urban planners is, since thats their only 'way of building highrises'... Like "En tett og urban bydel" is just very low building in their view, whats up with that? why not combine them and make a far better proposal!

abk

December 8th, 2009, 12:01 AM

Just had a look at the Stavanger thread, some very interesting projects they've got down there in Rogaland.
Trondheim obviously got a lot to learn..

Þróndeimr

December 8th, 2009, 12:08 AM

Just had a look at the Stavanger thread, some very interesting projects they've got down there in Rogaland.
Trondheim obviously got a lot to learn..

The quality in quality architecture and quality urban developments lacks in Trondheim, its all just cheap and average. Bergen and Stavanger are both clearly ahead of Trondheim here. Its too bad. :(

Tohaki

December 10th, 2009, 08:07 PM

The municipality is selling off property, including the old Rosendal Kino ("Rosendal Cinema").

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1419926.ece

I must admit that I have a lot of affection for Rosendal Kino, from when I was a child and it was a regular cinema (I saw The Empire Strikes Back there ;)) and as a student when it housed Filmklubben and Cinemateket. I hope whoever buy it will take good care of it.

Tohaki

December 14th, 2009, 10:24 PM

Wow! When they began mounting that big box I thought that they had lost their minds, but this is brilliant! :D

Tohaki

December 15th, 2009, 10:26 AM

ivar_ka

December 15th, 2009, 12:31 PM

I visited the city centre for some Yuletide shopping after work yesterday and noticed that construction had begun on Det Norske Oljeselskap's new headquarters (behind Hotel Residence).

http://www.byensnaeringsliv.no/bn/artikler.php?artid=3276&temaid=109

I'm not sure I like the design, but it is difficult to say from such a small rendering.

More illustrations:

http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC1257543004C922C?OpenDocument&frame=yes
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC1257543004C8729?OpenDocument&frame=yes
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC1257543004C85D1?OpenDocument&frame=yes

Tohaki

December 16th, 2009, 03:18 PM

Tunnel under Elgesetergata?

http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.6911873

essenze

December 16th, 2009, 03:28 PM

Tohaki

December 16th, 2009, 03:46 PM

More illustrations:

http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC1257543004C922C?OpenDocument&frame=yes
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC1257543004C8729?OpenDocument&frame=yes
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC1257543004C85D1?OpenDocument&frame=yes
The drawing is very nice, and the rendering from Prinsenkrysset is, for some reason, more appealing than the one from Torget.

Yes, I am a bit extra excited about this, because i work in Det norske, and we're looking forward to move in there next year :)Yes, I can imagine. You are getting a modern headquarters right next to the main square.

essenze

December 16th, 2009, 09:57 PM

Tunnel under Elgesetergata?

http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.6911873

This is actually a thought that I have had before myself, and the idea has also been promoted earlier (most recently with the rejected plans for relocating parts of NTNU university to that area a couple of years ago).

Elgeseter gate is a bit of a disgrace as it is now. When this street was constructed, I think back in the late 19th century, it was envisioned to be a sort of grand avenue. Unfortunately, it has about 25-30,000 vehicles passing pr. day, so the street is quite polluted, noisy and uninviting. Of course, the bus lanes which were introduced last year, leaving only one single lane for cars and trucks, has made the situation even worse due to the congestion. But that is a another discussion.

The point is that the street has a large potential in a city development scheme. Once you get the heavy traffic removed you could make room for planting some trees along both sides and widening the sidewalks. The floor level of the buildings along it would then be attractive for shops and cafe's. There are some poorly used lots along the street as well (like a gas station!), which should be developed with new buildings, so that the "empty holes" will be filled up. I believe there are plans on the table for some of these properties.

The bad new is that a possible construction of such a tunnel will not start any time before 2020....

http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/00635/ElgeseterBygging1_635435a.jpg

essenze

December 16th, 2009, 10:14 PM

The drawing is very nice, and the rendering from Prinsenkrysset is, for some reason, more appealing than the one from Torget.

Yes, I can imagine. You are getting a modern headquarters right next to the main square.

The reason you find the sketch more appealing is that (if you look closely) the left section of the old building is still in place, creating a more natural transition to the new building. This section is removed in the render from "Torvet", so that (in my opinion) there is more of a clash between the new and the old, especially for the roof. Unfortunately, this part of the old building was torn down prior to start of the construction (there was some discussion about it), so the sketch is incorrect. The rendering, i would guess, is newer.

Tohaki

December 16th, 2009, 10:46 PM

The point is that the street has a large potential in a city development scheme. Once you get the heavy traffic removed you could make room for planting some trees along both sides and widening the sidewalks. The floor level of the buildings along it would then be attractive for shops and cafe's. There are some poorly used lots along the street as well (like a gas station!), which should be developed with new buildings, so that the "empty holes" will be filled up. I believe there are plans on the table for some of these properties.Yes, it has the potential to become a great entrance towards the city centre. Maybe in some years the tram could return as well.

The reason you find the sketch more appealing is that (if you look closely) the left section of the old building is still in place, creating a more natural transition to the new building.Ah, I didn't spot that.

Tohaki

December 18th, 2009, 04:51 PM

The building that was put up next to Gildevangen Hotell, where a two-storied wooden building burned down:

http://www.madsosveen.no/prosjekter/gidevangen-hotell/

I think it works well as a modern mirroring of Gildevangen.

abk

January 13th, 2010, 06:04 PM

Shopping mall at Tunga?

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1431645.ece

essenze

January 13th, 2010, 11:49 PM

Shopping mall at Tunga?

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1431645.ece
I am not sure that i totally like this idea. First, tearing down the existing industry buildings, i think this town has lost enough industry as it is and that the plot should continue to have some kind of industry. It must be possible and more economic with a continued use of the old buildings, even if som reconstruction is needed. Secondly, large car based shopping malls in the outskirts of town, does not contribute to a thriving, lively and enjoyable city (ref. YIMBY!).

essenze

January 13th, 2010, 11:54 PM

The old garage by Bakke Bro is being demolished to give way for the new hotel coming at this plot. Mobile pics from tonight on my way home from work.

From the East side:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S05I_ZFD4yI/AAAAAAAAAxI/WT7xpmNB3Kk/13012010009.jpg

From the south side (river to the left)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S05JMtE6U6I/AAAAAAAAAxk/cAVSgcua9gQ/13012010008.jpg

ivar_ka

January 15th, 2010, 01:25 PM

KBS KJØPESENTER

http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC12576A3002A2C59?OpenDocument&frame=yes
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC12576A3002A2AE5?OpenDocument&frame=yes
http://publikum.trondheim.kommune.no/k2000/k2pub.nsf/viewAttachments/C1256F3B0026C93AC12576A3002A2A2F?OpenDocument&frame=yes

abk

January 15th, 2010, 03:48 PM

Shopping mall at Tunga?

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1431645.ece

Here we go again.

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1432473.ece

essenze

January 15th, 2010, 08:14 PM

Here we go again.

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1432473.ece

Yeah, haha, that is pretty expected from these guys. They've been detail regulating how much maximum office space should be allowed in buildings to be constructed along the "omkjøringsveien" as well. Thinking that the building project is OK, however don't wanting too many people to work there (because it creates traffic). The reasoning is supposedly that the area don't have sufficiently bus coverage. Yeah... of course the bus table should dictate the city development, not the other way around !!:nono:

essenze

January 15th, 2010, 08:25 PM

Þróndeimr

January 17th, 2010, 03:48 PM

Construction update.

Berg Studentby
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0015small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0018small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0017small.jpg

Sparebank 1
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0022small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0021small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0020small-1.jpg

Sirkeltomten
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0024small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0026small.jpg

Brattørkaia/Rockheim
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0031small-1.jpg

IceCheese

January 17th, 2010, 11:52 PM

^^Looking good:)

Tohaki

January 18th, 2010, 03:19 PM

Sparebank 1
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0022small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0021small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0020small-1.jpgI like this building. It is a little on the minimalistic side and perhaps looks like the something the Empire in Star Wars would build, but I was very impressed with it when I walked through that street just before Christmas.

Þróndeimr

January 18th, 2010, 03:46 PM

^^ not too impressed so far, the facade is too long and grey in my opinion. But far better than what was there before.

IceCheese

January 18th, 2010, 06:32 PM

I guess it will be a bit better when they get the ground floor done...

essenze

January 18th, 2010, 08:25 PM

Originally, the facade on the Sparebank 1 building was supposed to be white. That would have made it a lot nicer IMO. A friend of mine in the construction business claimed that it was the municipality politicians who had ordered it changed to black.. Now, why they would do that, I have no idea :dunno: Anyway, the facade looks to be some kind of natural stone, so at least it got some touch of quality.

But in overall, this building is too long and monotone IMO. The way it SHOULD have been built, is with different heights on the 5 "blocks" it consists of, say f.ex no.2 and 4 would have been 7 stories and the rest remained at 5 stories.
Couple that with different colours on the blocks as well, and it would've been great! But why not 7 stories? We can than thank the all-totalitarian reactionary municipal politicians and their rigid height restrictions for that!

essenze

January 18th, 2010, 08:32 PM

Ingenioren

January 18th, 2010, 09:33 PM

I agree with everything you just said, both Sparebanken and Berg Studentby.. :)

Þróndeimr

January 20th, 2010, 11:54 AM

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1434004.ece
Slik blir hotellet på Bakklandet
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01169/100119_rica_bakkla_1169286c.jpg

Skal erstatte Bakke p-hus. Rivingen av Bakke p-hus har pågått siden begynnelsen av desember.

En del av arealet, som inntil nylig har huset kontorer og parkeringsplasser, skal erstattes med hotellrom.

- Vi skal rive det øverste parkeringsdekket slik at det fortsatt vil være mulig å parkere 300 biler i bygget når vi er ferdige. Over parkeringsdelen skal vi bygge to hotelletasjer i tillegg til tre hotellfløyer som vil ligge ut mot Nidelven, forteller prosjektleder Terje Holst i NCC Construction. Selskapet er totalentreprenør på prosjektet og bygger på oppdrag av KLP eiendom.

Ferdig 2011
Hotellet skal kunne ta imot de første gjestene rundt sankthans 2011. Det skal da tilby 170 rom og vil få en fasade ut mot Nidelven som ligner på utformingen av de eksisterende bryggerekkene.

- Prosessen rundt hvordan hotellet skal se ut har pågått en stund. Trondheim kommune har vært opptatt av at bygget ikke må skille seg nevneverdig ut fra den eksisterende byggmassen, forteller Holst.

- Ikke et anneks
Når hotellet står ferdig er det Rica Hotels som skal drive det.

– Hotellet ved Bakke bru skal ikke bli noe anneks til Rica Nidelven. Det nye skal ha sin egen posisjon i markedet. Ambisjonen vår er å lykkes like godt med rom- og frokostkonseptet som med fullservice-hotellet Rica Nidelven. Førsteklasses frokost vil være en suksessfaktor begge steder, sa administrerende direktør Bjarte Gjerde til Adresseavisen i fjor høst når hotellplanene ble presentert for første gang.

Gjerde er både sjef for Rica Nidelven og regionansvarlig for Rica Hotels fra Ålesund i sør til Tromsø i nord.

Tohaki

January 20th, 2010, 02:54 PM

My god, that looks like some concrete monstrosity from the 60s. The finished building better be easier on the eye than this illustration.

Þróndeimr

January 20th, 2010, 03:10 PM

^^ it looks absolutely horrible in the rendering, i sure hope it will look a lot better.

We should actually expect something of really high quality these days for a place like that (opposing the historic bryggene)...

abk

January 20th, 2010, 04:46 PM

Midtbyhallen
http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1433636.ece

http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01169/hallen_1169154c.jpg

essenze

January 20th, 2010, 04:49 PM

It may be that it's not easy to incorporate a 300 slot parking garage into the hotel with a high architectonic quality. I guess it poses some heavy restriction to the architecture and layout. But, oh my god, why they should keep the garage there is REALLY something i don't get!!

essenze

January 20th, 2010, 05:00 PM

Midtbyhallen
http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1433636.ece

^^I was shell-shocked when i saw this. Who would want to train in a subsurface bomb room?? Add to it that it costs more than a conventional hall and takes longer time to build... I don't get it! Loco if you ask me:nuts:

Ingenioren

January 20th, 2010, 05:16 PM

^^ Save some space? My guess is the name "Midtbyhallen" says it all... :) The same logic as putting parking underground instead of in buildings? Makes perfect sense to me atleast.

ivar_ka

January 20th, 2010, 05:29 PM

^^I was shell-shocked when i saw this. Who would want to train in a subsurface bomb room?? Add to it that it costs more than a conventional hall and takes longer time to build... I don't get it! Loco if you ask me:nuts:

What is the problem with training in a sub surface bomb room? It will also bring more people to the city center after 5PM and that is positive.

And where in the city would you put a training facility needed by the the schools nearby?

Ivar

essenze

January 20th, 2010, 09:31 PM

Okey, I didn't discuss all the arguments at once there, but yeah i know that the ONE argument one could make for it would be space saving. So let me elaborate: My starting point is that the utilization of land in this (quite so small in an international perspective) city is LOW. It could, and ought to, be a lot denser. Dense is good! It's funny I think hearing some people complain about "lack of space" or making that some kind of problem. Have these people never been in big cities? There you could make that argument with some credibility. We, on the other side, got plenty of space. It's just about utilizing it in a good way.

So, to the next part, what is good utilization? That is a more interesting discussion. Building taller for example, avoiding large ground level parking lots - which in fact this area is (!), avoiding urban sprawl etc. Now, for fun i made a measure up of the surface area of this place (Katedralskolen backyard) on the map. It is about 7100 m2. That is a lot! (equalling a full size football field). An international handball pitch is 20 x 40m = 800 m2. My point is that you actually have plenty space there to build this training hall on the ground level and still have recreational outdoor area left for the students. But why stop the building there? Why not build another 5 stories on top of it for use by the school or other business? Now we're talking city development.

Why not include a small lobby / cafe area with some relaxation space on the ground level, where people could actually look outside through a window, and you have a meeting point as well. "A bomb room" gym would never be attractive for this. It could never be attractive for versatile/alternative uses either. So..regard my my lengthy answer as a way of showing appreciation for your feedback guys! :)

ivar_ka

January 20th, 2010, 11:15 PM

Why not build another 5 stories on top of it for use by the school or other business?

Hehe.....Good luck with that. Building tall buildings when your nearest neighbour is the Nidaros Cathedral is a peace of cake! ;)

Þróndeimr

January 20th, 2010, 11:42 PM

Building it above ground would be better of course, since im all in for a denser city. Build above ground ensuring good street-life. Infrastructure below ground.

Too bad even the smaller projects in Midtbyen or near is of such a low quality as those we see now (Bakke P-hus, Verftstomta, Sparebank 1 ++). Very hot plots. Too bad politicians and developers have no taste whatsoever for modern architecture. Nobody interested in city development anymore, just money?

essenze

January 20th, 2010, 11:55 PM

Hehe.....Good luck with that. Building tall buildings when your nearest neighbour is the Nidaros Cathedral is a peace of cake! ;)

Well, hehe, I don't say that it would be easy or doable in the NIMBY politics environment. But again, that is exactly my point: Expressing how (IMO) it SHOULD be done, as opposed to how the reactionary naysayers will do it (or how they not will do it) ;) I actually think the Cathedral stands too much out on its own (top of spire is 98m), and could easily handle to have some neighbors taller than 4 or 5 stories.

Tohaki

January 21st, 2010, 10:22 AM

Record year for Gråkallbanen:

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/article1434318.ece

This must be good news as we approach decision time for the tramway system in Trondheim.

essenze

January 21st, 2010, 04:26 PM

Record year for Gråkallbanen:

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/article1434318.ece

This must be good news as we approach decision time for the tramway system in Trondheim.

Encouraging news indeed! My wish is to have tramlines extensions to Brattøra, Lademoen/Lade, Singsaker/Tyholt, and one mainline southwards along Elgestergate. I think that in sentrum the line should extend along Kongens gt. and cross Torvet with a main stop there. To those of you who doubt that tramway / light railway is the future, take a look at any medium sized (or larger) city in continental Europe, and see what they are doing.

One thing that bothers me, is that the Gråkallbanen line have been neglected on maintenance. This is of course because it's been in limbo for many years, due to the lack of long-term plans and unwillingness to invest. The result particularly along Kongens gt, are large hole in the pavement along the tracks (partially asphalt patched last summer). If you look to other cities, the tracks are usually nicely embedded in a concrete foundation and flush with the road surface. This way it remains in place, and you barely notice it when driving a car on top of them.

essenze

January 21st, 2010, 05:24 PM

Just wanted to give one example. Darmstadt is a city in southern Germany with a pop. of 140,000. It's got about 36 km of tramway. Below is a satellite view of the central square - Luisenplatz, quite similar to Torvet i Trondheim, but oh, so much more attractive and vibrant (I've been there twice). The square is organised as a shared space where people and trams move freely and unhindered by traffic lights etc. (no need to say that it's restricted from cars!)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S1h8r5knzEI/AAAAAAAAA0U/thZfMOGtFGU/darmstadt%20-%20luisenplatz_air_big.jpg

Also here is a ground level picture of the same square (it's even got a statue similar to Olav Trygvasson ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Luisenplatz.jpg/800px-Luisenplatz.jpg

And lastly, a more closeup of a modern tram and tram station there (notice also the good quality of the tracks):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/HEAG_0777_am_Schloss_101_2987.jpg/800px-HEAG_0777_am_Schloss_101_2987.jpg

Tohaki

January 25th, 2010, 12:09 PM

Buy a flat, get an electric car!

http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.6958955

That is what's on offer in Flatåsen...

Tohaki

January 28th, 2010, 08:39 PM

Not very exciting perhaps, but 3T-Rosten are putting up a new building right next to the existing one.

http://www.3t.no/3T-Rosten+bygger+ut!.9UFRzMYE.ips

Þróndeimr

February 2nd, 2010, 07:36 PM

Ser at det er mange Trøndere som har kommet etter at jeg starta denne tråden. Hadde vært greit om noen av dere hadde sagt litt om prosjektene igjennom YIMBY så vi får mer aktivitet der. Planen er at vi skal kunne få sagt noe direkte ut ifra YIMBY som taes seriøst og da trenger vi noen som kan si sin mening bedre enn hva jeg kan!

Så gjerne registrer deg å si din mening om de tre prosjektene (Nyhavna, Brattøra og Grilstadfjæra) som ligger på Trondheim-sidene.

http://www.yimby.no/forum/

Tohaki

February 3rd, 2010, 12:19 AM

I was down in Elgesetergata yesterday, and saw some construction work beginning. I think it might be this project:

Here is another project which I hadn't seen before:

http://www.underdusken.no/nyhet/2008/4/797262/vil+du+dele+kj%C3%B8kken+med+hundre%3F
http://www.sit.no/europan/

It is a student flat building on one of the available plots in Elgesetergata, quite close to that energy-efficient office building mentioned earlier in this thread, but on the opposite side. The design is quite unconventional, and I don't think I will know if I like it before it is completed.

ivar_ka

February 3rd, 2010, 10:03 AM

http://www.europan.no/E10/Trondheim/winners

http://static.europan.no/scoreboards/34/4b56ea2e-9168-4590-91fd-231c551347ac

http://static.europan.no/scoreboards/34/4b56ebce-5be4-4332-a589-245d551347ac

ivar_ka

February 3rd, 2010, 06:20 PM

I was down in Elgesetergata yesterday, and saw some construction work beginning. I think it might be this project:

Yes it is:

From Adresseavisen (http://www.adressa.no):

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ivarka/th_Capture.jpg (http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ivarka/?action=view&current=Capture.jpg)

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ivarka/th_Capture2-1.jpg (http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/ivarka/?action=view&current=Capture2-1.jpg)

Ingenioren

February 9th, 2010, 04:41 PM

Maybe old news, but i wasn't aware that there were buildings planned on top of Trondheims railroadtracks:

Det er også planer om å reise bygninger over sporene med direkte forbindelse til brua.

Fetched from this article:
http://www.vareveger.no/article235264.ece

Þróndeimr

February 15th, 2010, 10:36 AM

- Drømmer om Reitan Tower
Odd Reitan mener Trondheim mangler et skikkelig signalbygg.

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/okonomi/article1445096.ece

mjoks007

February 18th, 2010, 02:26 PM

Sjørdal 2040? (http://stjordal.adressa.no/index.php?option=com_content_lokal&task=view&id=2569&Itemid=1)
http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af172/mjoks007/100218082527_stjorda_T.jpg

essenze

February 25th, 2010, 04:11 PM

There was an article in todays paper issue of Adresseavisen about the soon-to-be-completed reconstruction of the 'Trondheim Arbeiderforening' building (I couldn't find it on adressa.no online). It is a nice, old building getting a modern extension and getting a complete interior renovation. It will be used as a concert and cultural scene.

The original building:
http://www.fritidenmin.no/bilder_lokaler/148/254.jpg

The only illustration i could find is this low-quality one from byscenen.no. The curved part of the facade will be in glass.
http://byscenen.no/byscenen.png

But i will sure take some pictures of it when it is completed in a month time or so.

Tohaki

February 25th, 2010, 10:11 PM

There was an article in todays paper issue of Adresseavisen about the soon-to-be-completed reconstruction of the 'Trondheim Arbeiderforening' building (I couldn't find it on adressa.no online). It is a nice, old building getting a modern extension and getting a complete interior renovation. It will be used as a concert and cultural scene.That is good news! This scene has long been in need of renovation.

The only illustration i could find is this low-quality one from byscenen.no. The curved part of the facade will be in glass.
http://byscenen.no/byscenen.png

But i will sure take some pictures of it when it is completed in a month time or so.I think I have seen this construction site. The new front is next to the entrance to Leüthenhaven, right?

Tohaki

February 25th, 2010, 10:51 PM

Trondheim Business School (TØH), a faculty of Sør-Trøndelag University College, has decided to move to the Elgeseter/Gløshaugen area. It also seems that they will be housed together with the Department of Industrial Economics and Technology Management (IØT), at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, to create a stronger economics milieu in Trondheim.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.7011709

The rendering is clearly not new, but I think this is very exciting news.

Þróndeimr

February 26th, 2010, 02:25 PM

I think I have seen this construction site. The new front is next to the entrance to Leüthenhaven, right?

Close to, its right next to E6, on the crossing street where you walk from Leüthenhaven to Trondheim Torg.

Taken today,
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0005small-1.jpg

Þróndeimr

February 26th, 2010, 02:29 PM

Here is another project which I hadn't seen before:

http://www.underdusken.no/nyhet/2008/4/797262/vil+du+dele+kj%C3%B8kken+med+hundre%3F
http://www.sit.no/europan/

http://underdusken.no/image/810556/h=/b=725

It is a student flat building on one of the available plots in Elgesetergata, quite close to that energy-efficient office building mentioned earlier in this thread, but on the opposite side. The design is quite unconventional, and I don't think I will know if I like it before it is completed.

Construction status:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0003small.jpg

Þróndeimr

February 26th, 2010, 02:31 PM

Slik blir hotellet på Bakklandet
http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/dynamic/01169/100119_rica_bakkla_1169286c.jpg

Construction status:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0015small-1.jpg

Þróndeimr

February 26th, 2010, 02:34 PM

Sirkeltomten

http://www.pka.no/bilder/prosjekter/sirkeltomten/sirkeltomten2.jpg

Construction status:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0019small-1.jpg

Facade towards the street...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0022small-1.jpg

lanolama

February 26th, 2010, 02:51 PM

Þróndeimr, thank you for the updates :)

Tohaki

February 26th, 2010, 06:56 PM

http://www.europan.no/E10/Trondheim/winners

http://static.europan.no/scoreboards/34/4b56ebce-5be4-4332-a589-245d551347acConstruction status:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0003small.jpgI'm afraid that these are two separate projects. The one on top will be built in Strandvegen in Svartlamon, while the one in Elgesetergata will have a quite different design (see earlier posts).

Þróndeimr

February 26th, 2010, 07:59 PM

^^ yes, edited my post as i quoted the wrong post.

IceCheese

February 27th, 2010, 06:47 PM

Construction status:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0019small-1.jpg

Facade towards the street...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0022small-1.jpg

Doesn't get much worse than that!:cheers:

Þróndeimr

February 27th, 2010, 07:02 PM

^^ its the newest of Nedre Elvehavn for you!

Ingenioren

March 1st, 2010, 05:14 PM

What?!? :nuts: How can this be allowed for such a central location? Glad to see some updates from Trondheim, thanks!

essenze

March 2nd, 2010, 05:01 PM

Actually, this building is looking quite good and interesting IMO. It is a very irregular building. It's got the curved and jagged facade on the upper floors on the arch part (the side of which the photo is taken from) which is sort of cool. Unfortunately, it doesn't adress the public at all on the ground floor on the same location, but that is not the intention either. The street passing by there goes further into more of a road section with the railway on the right hand side and then a bridge crossing. This road doesn't even have a sidewalk there and is really not for pedestrians.

If you look at the illustrations below, it shows that it is the opposite side of the building, towards the dock, which will address the public and is where the main entrance will be. Here you'll find a mingling place. On the photographed side there will be stairs going up to a sort of terrace on the top of the "lower part" of the facade.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S40xHSGBBjI/AAAAAAAAA1s/RTfCxSQ3auo/Portalen-3.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S40xHDvtDrI/AAAAAAAAA1o/Ty3Pew9dm6w/Portalen-2.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S40xG8ExrUI/AAAAAAAAA1k/p0fXs0Y1Gjo/Portalen-1.jpg

For further information visit:http://www.kjeldsberg.no/Global/Bilder%20eiendom/Nedre%20Elvehavn/Portalen_Prospekt_0309_single_LR.pdf

Þróndeimr

March 3rd, 2010, 05:21 PM

Berg Studentby, 03.03.2010
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0043small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0049small.jpg

Þróndeimr

March 4th, 2010, 04:52 PM

Lerkendal Tower
Lerkendal Tower on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/1105-lerkendal-tower)

In 2001 a plan for Rosenborg's new stadium was approved. With this plan was the construction of a 22 floor tall highrise building. The stadium was
completed in 2002 and 2003, and they expected to begin constructing the highrise in late 2003. However, they finally decided to drop the plan to
build the highrise as it was not really needed for that time been. But six years later, in November 2009 they announced they want to go through
with this project, building this 22 floor tall highrise next to Lerkendal Stadium.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/LerkendalTower12.jpg

Þróndeimr

March 4th, 2010, 06:45 PM

More activity at the new E6 project in Trondheim now. The temporary railroad is completed and some streets will soon be
closed around the new 4 lane tunnel from Møllenberg to Strindheim.

NCC and Skanska will then start building the 2.5km long Strindheimtunnelen, each company starting at different entrance.
NCC will start with the Møllenberg side tunnel, the hard part, said to be the most difficult project in Norway. They have to
build the tunnel through a lot of unstabile quick clay. 350m of the tunnel will go through a concrete tube through this clay.
Some massive stabilization work of the entire area is already under work. In may, june and july they will move 4 large
houses to a temporary location. One church in stone will be torn down in pieces, and rebuilt in 2014.

More information in Norwegian:
Strindheimtunnelen

Dagsone vest (Nyhavna – Møllenberg):
Hva: Blant annet 350 m betongtunnel med
fire kjørefelt i to løp, ny jernbanebru
og to gang- og sykkelunderganger.

Anleggsperiode: Januar 2010 – september 2013
Åpnes for trafikk: Våren 2014
Entreprenør: NCC Construction AS
Kontraktssum: 554 mill kr (2009-kr) (Totalentreprise)

Tallenes tale for betongtunnelen:
• 9000 m² til dels meget grov spunt og ca. 6000 m med
en ny type rørspunt med en diameter på 60 cm settes
som vegger i utgravingen. Mellom veggene skal det
monteres rør som avstivere med samlet lengde ca. 5000
m

• Det skal graves ut ca. 150 000 m³ leire. Mye av dette
er kvikkleire hvor det først innblandes 50 kg kalk og
sement i hver m³. Noe skal mellomlagres og brukes i
tilbakefylling over tunnelen, resten dumpes på fjorden

• Det skal sprenges ut omkring 16 000 m³ bergmasse
innerst i byggegropa og i to tunneler på ca. 35 m

• Betongkonstruksjonen utgjør omkring 30 000 m³
betong og 15 000 tonn armering

Tunnel opening and connecting roads at Møllenberg/Nyhavna/Nedre Elvehavn
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Mllenbergtunnell1.jpg

Dagsone øst + fjelltunnelen:
Hva: Blant annet 2 km fjelltunnel med
fire kjørefelt i to løp + omfattende
betongarbeider oppe i dagen, blant annet
Strindheimkrysset i tre plan, flere gang- og
sykkelunderganger og Gildheimbrua

Anleggsperiode: Januar 2010 – januar 2014
Åpnes for trafikk: Våren 2014
Entreprenør: Skanska Norge AS
Kontraktssum: 730 mill kr (2009-kr)

Tallens tale for fjelltunnelen:
• 340 000 faste m³ fjell skal drives ut av tunnelen. Det
blir til sammen 60 000 lastebillass med stein, og det
vi ikke bruker i vegarbeidet skal brukes til å bygge
opp nye Grillstadfjæra med småbåthavn, boliger og
næringsareal

• 50 000 stk. fjellsikringsbolter

• 25 000 m³ sprøytebetong

• 8500 tonn sement skal injiseres underveis før sprenging
for å hindre vannlekkasje i tunnelen og setninger for
bebyggelsen over tunnelen

Tunnel opening and connecting roads at Strindheim
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/pningstrindheimcopy.jpg

Þróndeimr

March 5th, 2010, 12:25 AM

KBS Senteret
KBS Senteret on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2178-kbs-senteret)

The plans for KBS Kjøpesenter. The old shopping centre with 47 stores will be completely reconstructed. 100 apartments will be added in 4 floor
tall towers on top of the new centre. Narud Stokke Wiig AS is the architects behind the project. They will have to close down the mall during
construction due to the difficult construction going on at new E6, and the temporary E6 they have to built across most of the parking lots to the
mall. So they will close it down on July 1st, 2010.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/KBSKjpesenter1SMALL.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/KBSKjpesenter4small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/KBSKjpesenter2small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/KBSKjpesenter5small.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Oversiktsplan1SMALL.jpg

Þróndeimr

March 5th, 2010, 12:54 AM

Speilet

Last phase of Elvehavn Brygge at Nedre Elvehavn. 6 floor tall Speilet will have offices in the first floor, and 26 apartments in the reminding floors. A
parking garage in the basement and a roof garden for the residents. Its designed by ARC Arkitekter.

LINKS | Speilet official website (http://speilet-solsiden.no/)

View high resolution renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=82618317#post82618317)

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1871/snippen8x1000.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9256/snippen5x1000.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5741/snippen6x1000.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6831/snippen7x1000.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3184/snippen1.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7302/snippen2.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9793/snippen4.jpg
Illustration by ARC Arkitekter AS (http://www.arcarkitekter.no/)

IceCheese

March 5th, 2010, 01:25 AM

The last project looks good. Really special!:)

Tohaki

March 7th, 2010, 10:49 AM

Close to, its right next to E6, on the crossing street where you walk from Leüthenhaven to Trondheim Torg.

Taken today,
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Trondheim/DSC_0005small-1.jpgAn article with a new rendering and some information on this project.

http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.7024430

Tronnelon

March 17th, 2010, 12:44 AM

http://www.prora.no/displayimage.asp?id=712
http://www.prora.no/displayimage.asp?id=713
http://www.prora.no/displayimage.asp?id=714
http://www.prora.no/displayimage.asp?id=715

Þróndeimr

March 17th, 2010, 12:52 AM

^^ nice! Maybe better to post smaller renderings though, and a link to the big ones. :p

virgule82

March 17th, 2010, 12:57 AM

i really like a lot of the developments I see in Trondheim -it seems the city does a good job with urban planning

mjoks007

March 22nd, 2010, 01:31 PM

Byutvikling krever
mot og langsiktighet (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/article1460711.ece)

ivar_ka

March 22nd, 2010, 01:49 PM

... and Bybane som motor for byutvikling (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/article1459955.ece)

essenze

April 8th, 2010, 04:09 PM

Time to get some news from Trondheim! I took some mobile pics yesterday of the new add-on to 'Arbederforenings Hus' which will open as 'Byscenen'.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S73hqx9yyeI/AAAAAAAAA2w/M3LPIlB8dN8/s1024/06042010031.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S73hrkZr-mI/AAAAAAAAA20/y7hyoe2Jnfk/s1024/06042010032.jpg

Þróndeimr

April 8th, 2010, 04:31 PM

^^ oh wow, thats actually very nice! I should get my ass to Midtbyen soon, when its not dark...

Ingenioren

April 8th, 2010, 04:38 PM

Excellent building :applause:

Maggern2k

April 8th, 2010, 06:15 PM

Maggern2k

April 8th, 2010, 06:34 PM

A study on how to develop the Tempe area. This is not a new study, but still interesting.

"Univesitetsbydelen" - 370 000m2
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/Universitetsbydelen.jpg

That has to be the worst crap of a development plan I've ever seen surface in Trondheim. (Sorry for the strong language)

Maggern2k

April 8th, 2010, 06:49 PM

In this case they did not even plan for today, even if built in the late 80s they should have done 2x2.

Now I'm too young to remember, but I heard they had the exact same problem when they built the new E6 between Trondheim and Heimdal, where they had a way too small road with shifting lanes already on completion. Thankfully they soon redeveloped it into 3x3. I guess Trondheim just continues to underestimate itself on infrastructure

Maggern2k

April 8th, 2010, 06:56 PM

Funny, Þróndeimr, i was taking some snaps of "Berg Studentby" when i passed there on Sunday too, but you beat me posting them on SSC. There was only one angle missing, and that was the corner down to Dybdahls vei, so here it is:http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S1Svce-XnrI/AAAAAAAAAyk/zq-AE-QsZZw/17012010021.jpg

I think the Berg Studentby is coming up looking quite good actually!:)

Hah, my house is just across the road (the row houses). My dad is outraged at the new student village, as he feels it ruins his view (now, one might ask: his view to what? The hillside?). To me, I am a bit ambivalent about the whole thing. I agree Nardo could use some more density, but as of now, the massive construction looks way out of place. (might just be me, for the 18 years I lived there there only was a small house and lawn at the site next to the road...the change is startling)

Þróndeimr

April 9th, 2010, 01:25 AM

I actually like this one. It's dynamic and fits well into the residential development further down the river (unlike that horrible office triangle further down).

Can't say i like anything been built at Nedre Elvehavn yet, especially not the red brick buildings all over, doesn't fit the riverbed at all! Not that Gjensidige Nor bygget is any better. :p

Þróndeimr

April 9th, 2010, 01:27 AM

his view to what? The hillside?

Nardo hillside is just ugly anyway, Berg Studentby will be a much better view to look at in the future in my opinion!

ivar_ka

April 9th, 2010, 11:07 AM

Plan for part of the Sorgenfri area: http://webtools.klapp.no/data/arc/vedlegg/82_Sorgefrivegen18Planprogram.pdf

Selv om Sorgenfrivegen 18 ligger i et området hvor kommunen muligens kan tillate etablering av høyhus har tiltakshaver valgt å gå bort fra denne ideen i det videre utredningsarbeidet.

"We finally are allowed to build a tall building? Nah...then we build a low one"

Maggern2k

April 9th, 2010, 03:01 PM

Nardo hillside is just ugly anyway, Berg Studentby will be a much better view to look at in the future in my opinion!

The point is from that angle you don't see anything at all from the start. Only some trees, grass and the couple of houses closest to you :p. I guess he misses his grass. The rumors of a bar in the new village helped though :cheers::lol: (it did for me)

mjoks007

April 12th, 2010, 10:24 AM

Bybane i det blå (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/article1468561.ece)

essenze

April 12th, 2010, 03:40 PM

Bybane i det blå (http://www.adressa.no/meninger/article1468561.ece)

I am pretty sure this is not the whole picture. It's hard to believe that the price-tag would be 250 MNOK / km. The problem seems to be that they plan it too widely, where the population density vs. distances are low. The network need to start with the most central parts of town, and then build from there.

I got the following suggestion: Plan one line going from Torvet southward Prinsens / Elgeseter gate to Sluppen (will have future expansions for industry and commerce). The other line should go eastwards along Innherredsveien, take left at Strindheim-krysset and go across to Lade/Haakon VII's gt with the new bridge coming there. Then go back to centrum along Jarleveien/Mellomveien

54°26′S 3°24′E

April 13th, 2010, 06:48 PM

^^
Why not use existing lines, including the Leangen-Lerkendal tunnel?

Now I'm too young to remember, but I heard they had the exact same problem when they built the new E6 between Trondheim and Heimdal, where they had a way too small road with shifting lanes already on completion. Thankfully they soon redeveloped it into 3x3. I guess Trondheim just continues to underestimate itself on infrastructure
No, it is not the exact same problem. In the 70s when they built the first Kroppan bridge they actually had the second one planned. Still it took about 20 years.

In the NAV case, it would be much more complicated to widen the road later since we are talking about a very complicated tunnel. Instead of increasing the cost with 25 % which would have been the added cost if NAV was built with four lanes, the added cost will be something like 125 % in the future. But this is current labor party planning in practice.

essenze

April 13th, 2010, 11:07 PM

^^
In the NAV case, it would be much more complicated to widen the road later since we are talking about a very complicated tunnel. Instead of increasing the cost with 25 % which would have been the added cost if NAV was built with four lanes, the added cost will be something like 125 % in the future. But this is current labor party planning in practice.

At least - most probably 200%. NAV has not only one, but 4 tunnels (including the Marienborg tunnel). The way it is now, it will be next to impossible to just "expand" the current road in the future. There is simply no room. We'll have to pay the price from day 1 with congestion on the new road when it opens because it is underdimensioned, and then (far enough into the future) when the capacity is to be increased, they would probably have to build a "senketunnel" (similar to the one in Bjørvika, Oslo) all the way outside the shoreline from Nyhavna or Brattøra to Ila.

Ingenioren

April 19th, 2010, 04:00 PM

Some short presentations about Bybane in Trondheim:
http://www.vegvesen.no/Om+Statens+vegvesen/Media/Siste+nyheter/Vis?key=129450

Kjello0

April 20th, 2010, 05:51 PM

I do by far like Gråkallbanen/Veolia's alternative the best. Though I'm a bit unsure if they are talking about a real metro, or a "metro". Both Trondheim, Bergen and Stavanger/Sandnes should start building metro's after Oslo Sporveier's "Metrostandard". All three cities is expected to grow alot the next 30 years, and they'll probably even grow more.

Oslo should also replace the most busy tram and buslines with metrolines. All tramlines expect line 19, has traffic of over 6 million passengers a year. That's over 33 full trains a day. And line 19 got most of it's route common with line 18. Only three stations on line 19 isn't covered by other lines. So expect line 19, which should be closed, I want all lines to be replaced by metro lines. Buslines 20, 31 and 37 should also be replaced with metro lines.

But with the current fundings and goverment that will never happen.

Hansadyret

April 23rd, 2010, 02:31 PM

Trondheim, Bergen and Stavanger/Sandnes should start building metro's after Oslo Sporveier's "Metrostandard". All three cities is expected to grow alot the next 30 years, and they'll probably even grow more.

Metro in cities like Trondheim, Bergen, Gothenburg etc is very expensive and difficult as much ground in central parts is clay and not solid rock. Just an underground station could cost way over 100 million. It's much cheaper for smaller cities to go for light-rail(bybane) on separate tracks away from cartraffic.
Besides, underground tunnels is boring as hell:)

City of Rain

April 23rd, 2010, 03:51 PM

Metro in cities like Trondheim, Bergen, Gothenburg etc is very expensive and difficult as much ground in central parts is clay and not solid rock. Just an underground station could cost way over 100 million. It's much cheaper for smaller cities to go for light-rail(bybane) on separate tracks away from cartraffic.
Besides, underground tunnels is boring as hell:)

actually, id be all for a metro system in Bergen.. its an extremely convinent and effective way to travel and also it gives that big-city feel i think Bergen needs more of.

Hansadyret

April 25th, 2010, 01:47 PM

actually, id be all for a metro system in Bergen.. its an extremely convinent and effective way to travel and also it gives that big-city feel i think Bergen needs more of.

Yes but it is allso extremely expensive.
Oslo is one of the smallest cities in the world with a metro system.
Bybanen going north will be so much tunnels that it will feel a bit like a metro. From what i understand they could be planning an underground station under NHH because it is much higher than Sandviken and Eidsvåg. They will probably go for a tunnel from the "gamle Bergen"-area to Eidsvåg with a underground station under NHH.
But anyway this is the Trondheim-thread:)

Tohaki

April 25th, 2010, 06:49 PM

This is not major news perhaps, but Ranheim IL (now in 1. division) are building a new stadium with around 1.000 seats, meeting NFF's requirements for top football and lighting good enough for TV-transmissions.

http://www.ranheimfotball.no/n40/Ranheim-stadion-ny-nummer-2-arena-i-Trondheim

I think this is very good news, as Lerkendal is not the place for a #2-club in Trondheim, which needs to base itself on local suburb enthusiasm.

Kjello0

April 26th, 2010, 01:45 AM

With the current position in the table they need to expand it already next year. Minimum 3 000 seats to play in Tippeligaen. ;)

Kjello0

April 26th, 2010, 08:15 AM

Yes but it is allso extremely expensive.
Oslo is one of the smallest cities in the world with a metro system.

There are 12 cities that is notable smaller than Oslo that also has metro's. The smallest of them all Lausanne in Switzerland with only 133 280 inhabitans. Oslo does however got the biggest network in terms of km compared to population and number of stations compared to population.

Both Bergen, Trondheim and Stavanger/Sandnes is expected to grow alot the next 30 years.
Trondheim (Trondheim, Malvik and Klæbu) is expected to reach 260 000 inhabitans within 2030 with high growth. And the last 10 years SSB's expectations has been way to low. So I wouldn't be surprised if we in 2040 are talking about a city that has around 350 000 inhabitans.

The same goes for Bergen and Stavanger/Sandnes.

Stavanger/Sandnes (Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola and Randaberg) is expected to reach 330 000 in 2030 with high growth, and will probably be close to 450 000 when we reach 2040 in my opinion.

Bergen (Bergen and Os) is expected to reach 370 000 inhabitans in 2030 with high growth. Again I wouldn't be surprised if we are talking about 500 000 in Bergen in 2040. If we include Askøy and Fjell, we are talking about expectations of 440 000 inhabitans in 2030. Then we are talking of over 600 000 inhabitans in 2040.

So in 30 years, these cities will probably at least double up in size.

And before these people can move to the cities, we need to have the infrastructure in place.
And if we were to decide to build a metro today, it would probably take 10 years of planing, then 10 years to build. Then it's only 10 years left to 2040. And you want the new system to last some years don't you?
Light rail was the solution for todays traffic, we need metro's to handle the future traffic.

If they want to build light rail, look to Fredrikstad/Sarpsborg, Porsgrunn/Skien, Drammen, Kristiansand and perhaps even Arendal/Grimstad, Haugesund/Karmøy and Tromsø. Though Drammen is expected to be swallowed by Oslo by then. These cities is expected to reach from 80 to 160 000 within 2030. Which probably means anything from 100 to 250 000. And probably anything from 120 to 300 000 if we talk 2040. These are the cities that need light rail.

By the way, metro's don't have to go underground. Though most of them do, some goes in the air on bridges in central areas.

City of Rain

April 26th, 2010, 08:24 PM

There are 12 cities that is notable smaller than Oslo that also has metro's. The smallest of them all Lausanne in Switzerland with only 133 280 inhabitans. Oslo does however got the biggest network in terms of km compared to population and number of stations compared to population.

Both Bergen, Trondheim and Stavanger/Sandnes is expected to grow alot the next 30 years.
Trondheim (Trondheim, Malvik and Klæbu) is expected to reach 260 000 inhabitans within 2030 with high growth. And the last 10 years SSB's expectations has been way to low. So I wouldn't be surprised if we in 2040 are talking about a city that has around 350 000 inhabitans.

The same goes for Bergen and Stavanger/Sandnes.

Stavanger/Sandnes (Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola and Randaberg) is expected to reach 330 000 in 2030 with high growth, and will probably be close to 450 000 when we reach 2040 in my opinion.

Bergen (Bergen and Os) is expected to reach 370 000 inhabitans in 2030 with high growth. Again I wouldn't be surprised if we are talking about 500 000 in Bergen in 2040. If we include Askøy and Fjell, we are talking about expectations of 440 000 inhabitans in 2030. Then we are talking of over 600 000 inhabitans in 2040.

So in 30 years, these cities will probably at least double up in size.

And before these people can move to the cities, we need to have the infrastructure in place.
And if we were to decide to build a metro today, it would probably take 10 years of planing, then 10 years to build. Then it's only 10 years left to 2040. And you want the new system to last some years don't you?
Light rail was the solution for todays traffic, we need metro's to handle the future traffic.

If they want to build light rail, look to Fredrikstad/Sarpsborg, Porsgrunn/Skien, Drammen, Kristiansand and perhaps even Arendal/Grimstad, Haugesund/Karmøy and Tromsø. Though Drammen is expected to be swallowed by Oslo by then. These cities is expected to reach from 80 to 160 000 within 2030. Which probably means anything from 100 to 250 000. And probably anything from 120 to 300 000 if we talk 2040. These are the cities that need light rail.

By the way, metro's don't have to go underground. Though most of them do, some goes in the air on bridges in central areas.

your talk of bergen with a population of 500 000 and 600 000 inhabitants is making me wet :lol:

i dont know how accurate your numbers are, to me they sound a little overkill.. but i still see the point youre trying to make. there is no denying that all these cities will need metros eventually, so why not start building them now?

only the most central parts of bybanen would have to be underground.. id say all stations on the bergenhus side of the bridge that goes from danmarksplass (årstad) to central bergen. all lines on the "island" where the city centre of bergen is located, could be underground while the rest could be up in the open.

that really would be amazing.. i even know a perfect spot for an underground bybanen spot! haha that area right outside of the banco rotto night club.. :) i could go on dreaming forever..

also, building a metro now would make the city grow even faster.. as when you have something like a metro line, that is permanent, developers will find it much more tempting to build new buildings and areas close to the metro.

if it was up to me, we should start building one already.. i mean, its going to pay off one day anyway so why wait. its just silly.. there are too many benefits of starting construction right now to wait. first they should build it to åsane :) it could be built underground all the way to somewhere in sandviken, before it could start going above ground. really, i should stop talking now.

IceCheese

April 27th, 2010, 12:48 AM

The Oslo metro wasn't built for a million+ city that either. The western lines were built as trams, so those doesn't count, but the eastern lines were planed as metro lines serving a specific area in development where housing for 160.000 were estimated. You don't need a huge city to defend a metro, but if you're going to defend a metro, you need a really focused city development in the area to be served by it.:)

City of Rain

April 27th, 2010, 01:04 AM

well, central bergen is pretty dense if thats what you mean.. and a metro in bergen would really just be that we moved the most central parts of bybanen underground and kept it underground for future development (in the city centre).

Hansadyret

April 27th, 2010, 01:30 AM

By the way, metro's don't have to go underground. Though most of them do, some goes in the air on bridges in central areas.

I could live with something like the Vancouver skytrain.
Some of these new light rail lines could probably be developed in that direction (metro) when the cities grow and can finance it.
Many bigger cities have a combination of different public transport systems fitting their size and geography.
I'm not sure a city like Bergen really needs a metro in very long time even with the expected growth. Maybe a new fast local-train to neighbouring municipalities like Os and Knarvik is a better and cheaper option in combination with the light-rail.

Kjello0

April 27th, 2010, 09:13 AM

I'm glad to see that someone agrees with me.

Regarding my numbers.

With high growth the predictions for 2030 is
262 047 in Trondheim (Trondheim, Malvik and Klæbu), which of 237 916 within Trondheim borders.
324 102 in Stavanger/Sandnes (Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola and Randaberg), which of 178 646 within Stavanger borders and 98 020 within Sandnes borders.
441 771 in Bergen (Bergen, Askøy, Os, Fjell), which of 345 887 is within Bergen borders.

Today the population within the same areas is
Trondheim: 189 287
Stavanger/Sandnes: 221 349
Bergen: 320 100
So that's 70 000 up for Trondheim, 100 000 up for Stavanger/Sandnes and 120 000 up for Bergen.

However, the last 20 years SSB has been off with about 20% of the predicted population in city regions. So a city that had an predicted population of 100 000 in 2010, had on average 120 000 when we actually reached 2010. I'm still laughing about their prediction from 2005 on Trondheim reaching 170 000 in 2017, which was reached last year.

For Bergen with an predicted population of 441 771 in 2030 we would by adding that 20% difference get 530 125 in 2030. If we then again add 10 years of growth, we are probably talking about over 600 000 in 2040. That's only 30 years left.

But as with all goverment planning in Norway, we only do the bare minimum and the predictions is extremly low.

Ingenioren

April 27th, 2010, 03:05 PM

Ofcourse metro, but with light rail vehicles! Like Brussels premetro lines, it runs underground in the city centre, and in more "rural" areas there is room for it above ground - it still avoids running with cars as much as possible to keep a reasonable speed.

City of Rain

April 27th, 2010, 05:16 PM

wow, are you saying that trondheim will become bigger than bergen in the future? (i mean within city limits, not counting the metro area)

i dont like the thought of that! :p

ingeniøren, thats exactly what i meant.. so make certain parts of bybanen into a metro, by putting it underground! only the most central parks and i guess some other parts where itd be smart.

Hansadyret

April 27th, 2010, 06:00 PM

wow, are you saying that trondheim will become bigger than bergen in the future?

Who said that?
But anyway that could well happen since much of the growth in the Bergen-area happens on the islands west of Bergen for now. But my prediction is that places like Askøy will become part of Bergen within 30 Years. There are so many people from Bergen moving out there that they sooner or later would want the island to become part of Bergen. After all they are only 9 minutes away from the city-center by ferry.
My prediction is that much of the populationgrowth in the Bergen area will shift southwards towards Os in the future with the new 100 km/h higway wich will soon start contruction. The Os-area is very beautiful with lots and lots of small islands wich will become extremly attractive with the new infrastructure.
Anybody familiar to the local situation understands why Terje Søviknes wants the new road in place as soon as possible with or without roadtolls. He wants the best for Os and the place to grow, and he could not give a shit about what other politicians in Frp thinks about it.

Kjello0

April 27th, 2010, 07:26 PM

wow, are you saying that trondheim will become bigger than bergen in the future? (i mean within city limits, not counting the metro area)

i dont like the thought of that! :p

If you are talking about todays Bergen yes. Unless something special happens Trondheim will never be close to Bergen in size agian. The period 1967 to 1971 is probably going to be the last period where Trondheim was bigger than Bergen. However, Bergen must use their available land much smarter and build more dense than Trondheim has to.

Trondheim simply lacks workplaces to approach both Bergen and Stavanger/Sandnes in size. Many people take their education in Trondheim, but they have to move to Bergen, Stavanger or Oslo to find suitable jobs for their education. Trondheim hasn't manage to use their advantage of having NTNU and Sintef in the city. Just look at the GSM invention. Sintef in Trondheim invented it. Imagine if we had a Nokia or Ericsson in Trondheim. I'm pretty sure that Trondheim would be Norway's second biggest city if so.

Hansadyret

April 27th, 2010, 07:50 PM

Trondheim hasn't manage to use their advantage of having NTNU and Sintef in the city. Just look at the GSM invention. Sintef in Trondheim invented it. Imagine if we had a Nokia or Ericsson in Trondheim. I'm pretty sure that Trondheim would be Norway's second biggest city if so.

Don't be to negative. Trondheim is growing pretty fast anyway. The problem with the GSM situation was not only a Trondheim problem but a Norwegian problem with a lack of risktakers and capital. Norwegian capitalists should have seen the potential. I'm sure if it was today a company like Telenor would have invested in the idea, at that time it was a slow 100% state company to locked up in old ways of doing things.

54°26′S 3°24′E

April 27th, 2010, 10:50 PM

^^ You are wrong. Telenor does not involve in technology development at all anymore. And I did not know that people in Bergen was that interested in Trondheim.....

I'm glad to see that someone agrees with me.

Regarding my numbers.

With high growth the predictions for 2030 is
262 047 in Trondheim (Trondheim, Malvik and Klæbu), which of 237 916 within Trondheim borders.
324 102 in Stavanger/Sandnes (Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola and Randaberg), which of 178 646 within Stavanger borders and 98 020 within Sandnes borders.
441 771 in Bergen (Bergen, Askøy, Os, Fjell), which of 345 887 is within Bergen borders.

Today the population within the same areas is
Trondheim: 189 287
Stavanger/Sandnes: 221 349
Bergen: 320 100
So that's 70 000 up for Trondheim, 100 000 up for Stavanger/Sandnes and 120 000 up for Bergen.

However, the last 20 years SSB has been off with about 20% of the predicted population in city regions. So a city that had an predicted population of 100 000 in 2010, had on average 120 000 when we actually reached 2010. I'm still laughing about their prediction from 2005 on Trondheim reaching 170 000 in 2017, which was reached last year.

For Bergen with an predicted population of 441 771 in 2030 we would by adding that 20% difference get 530 125 in 2030. If we then again add 10 years of growth, we are probably talking about over 600 000 in 2040. That's only 30 years left.

But as with all goverment planning in Norway, we only do the bare minimum and the predictions is extremly low.
I certainly agree with your last sentence, but I think your use of statistics is just a little bit optimistic / pessimistic (whatever your preference is ....)

1. In the last decade you are right, the growth has been underestimated, However, in previous decades the urbanization trends have been severely overestimated. The only thing we know for sure is that the future is pretty uncertain.

2. If you are going to add 20 %, should you not use the medium (i.e. most probable) alternative?

3. The growth of Bergen and Stavanger has been inflated by a booming offshore industry during the last couple of decades. That will not continue, as the age of huge offshore developments (in Norway) will end sooner than you think. My suspicion is that SSB simply has extrapolated the growth over the last couple of decades. Hence, the growth of Bergen and in particular Stavanger in fact may be much lower than SSB predicts.

City of Rain

April 27th, 2010, 11:00 PM

I did not know that people in Bergen was that interested in Trondheim.....

whats that supposed to mean?

54°26′S 3°24′E

April 27th, 2010, 11:03 PM

^^ Not much, really (I am a bit tired), other than that the Trondheim thread was pretty much bombed by Bergen forumers discussing Bergen....Maybe this discussion should be moved to some of the infrastructure threads?

Hansadyret

April 28th, 2010, 10:42 AM

^^^^ It's only a small dicussion about possible future metro-systems in cities like Trondheim, Stavanger and Bergen. Cities that are about the same size.

And you continue to discuss Stavanger and Bergen in your post;)
But you are right, this discussion should probably be in some kind of Norwegian infrastructure-thread. But i don't see the big problem having a small discussion about it here since it allso involves Trondheim.

Þróndeimr

May 3rd, 2010, 08:03 PM

I consider Stjørdal as apart of Trondheim in this thread, so some projects from that city and the airport will be put here.

Stjørdal Kulturhus
A pretty big competition going on right now to design the new culture centre which will be located on one of the last unused sites in the centre of Stjørdal. A winner will be elected in the end of may.

There are 5 proposals, but its not known which of these teams made the following proposals in the renderings.

• Snøhetta AS

• LPO arkitekter AS + Landskapsarkitektene Berg & Dyring AS

• L2 arkitekter AS + IN’BY AS

• Lusparken arkitekter AS + Reiulf Ramstad arkitekter AS - JSTArkitekter AS + Schønherr Norge AS

• Stein Halvorsen arkitekter AS + Wingårdhs arkitekter AB + Grindaker AS

Renderings of the proposals:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/StjrdalKulturhus5.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/StjrdalKulturhus4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/StjrdalKulturhus3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/StjrdalKulturhus2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/StjrdalKulturhus1.jpg

Tohaki

May 4th, 2010, 04:46 PM

• L2 arkitekter AS + IN’BY AShttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/StjrdalKulturhus3.jpgI quite like this one.

essenze

May 5th, 2010, 09:57 PM

Ilsvika Extra

The last stage of the development for the Ilsvika neighborhood is finally set in motion with 140 apartments now put out for sale. The project has been on hold for the last couple of years. It will be good to get some more people to this area I think.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/S-HMQvmnQPI/AAAAAAAAA5g/UtPtRi5OH-8/s912/Ilsvika_extra1.jpg

For details: http://www.ilsvikaextra.no/

Þróndeimr

May 9th, 2010, 03:52 PM

Trondheim Arbeiderforening's newly added side, not completed yet, but looks really good in my opinion!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/DSC_0006x1000.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/cityw/Architecture/DSC_0004x1000.jpg

ivar_ka

May 13th, 2010, 04:02 PM

http://www.hist.no/multimedia/9092.jpg

http://www.hist.no/attachment.ap?id=14262

Same as this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=43480154&postcount=430)?

Tohaki

May 13th, 2010, 09:43 PM

http://www.hist.no/multimedia/9092.jpg

http://www.hist.no/attachment.ap?id=14262

Same as this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=43480154&postcount=430)?No, but next to it, I think. Where there is now an ugly concrete building with dark wavy aluminium decoration.

ivar_ka

May 19th, 2010, 06:22 PM

Another Rockheim LED test

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27485954@N07/4621719782/?likes_hd=1

Þróndeimr

May 26th, 2010, 06:30 PM

Nordre Avlastningsvei opens tomorrow, how soon will Midtbyen be reduced for traffic?

Anyway, will finally be great to try it out!

abk

May 26th, 2010, 08:45 PM

Try it out today!

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/article1486716.ece

Just can't understand why they didn't go for four lanes..

ivar_ka

May 27th, 2010, 08:16 AM

http://gfx.nrk.no/TEsJbQhYKoqh_aU5fQ9c_AlWFuU5A_9yRLdNlRvPkyQg.png

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.7137518

kjetilab

May 27th, 2010, 12:36 PM

What does the current church looks like?

Ingenioren

May 27th, 2010, 01:26 PM

Stjørdal Kulturhus

The winner:

http://g.api.no/obscura/www.stjordalens-blad.no/708x708r/03215/1272967089000_KVELDSSTEMNING-sto_3215095708x708r.jpg
http://www.bladet.no/kultur/article5132888.ece

Try it out today!

http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/article1486716.ece

Finally a road with a different number (706) Seems like there has been 3 corridors trough Trondheim named E6... :lol:

Þróndeimr

May 27th, 2010, 09:38 PM

Here is a few very bad pictures i took of Nordre Avlastningsvei this late cloudy evening.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2u5gh84.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/1z1tvko.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/vo53ic.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/30ax5lj.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/b7yl95.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/2pzcjgw.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2r6l9h0.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/67lgmh.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2daae1l.jpg

Tohaki

May 27th, 2010, 11:55 PM

Nice pictures, Þróndheimr! :)

http://gfx.nrk.no/TEsJbQhYKoqh_aU5fQ9c_AlWFuU5A_9yRLdNlRvPkyQg.png

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nrk_trondelag/1.7137518I think that model must be very rough, as I can't quite get it to fit with the description. Hopefully we will get some proper renderings soon.

What does the current church looks like?It is quite an unattractive building, and really needs replacing.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Olav_kirke_Trondheim.jpg

Maggern2k

May 28th, 2010, 03:46 PM

I like how Rockheim went from a far-away, hidden museum to being one smack in the middle of everything :)

Also, although I too would have preferred a four-lane road, I'm in doubt if such a road could actually fit along the current route. Most likely they would have had to bury the whole road underground.

Ingenioren

May 28th, 2010, 03:55 PM

Looks like the Brattøra part will be more like an urban street than road :)

Þróndeimr

May 28th, 2010, 04:01 PM

Most likely they would have had to bury the whole road underground.

Which would have been a lot better if you ask me. There should have been a tunnel all the way from Pirbrua to Ila. :)

Kjello0

May 28th, 2010, 08:03 PM

There isn't much room in Ila either, so it would mean a tunnel the whole route.

Þróndeimr

June 13th, 2010, 05:29 PM

Just a very old plan of brattøra, where they build over all the railroad tracks.

http://www.adressa.no/multimedia/archive/01047/Boliger_p__Bratt_r_1047638a.jpg

Tohaki

June 13th, 2010, 09:39 PM

Just a very old plan of brattøra, where they build over all the railroad tracks.It obviously won't look like this, but when they finally move the rail terminal it will free up quite a bit of land for development. I hope they don't throw it away with cheap and bland architecture.

essenze

June 16th, 2010, 01:50 PM

Lerkendal Park has been mentioned earlier in this forum. The building along Strindveien will be for commerce while the rest will be apartments.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ZvCRCkemHlM/TBY6gMwyxHI/AAAAAAAAA6U/hco4hWmhGKE/Lerkendal%20Park%201.jpg

More details to be found on www.byggteknikk.net

Tohaki

June 16th, 2010, 08:36 PM

I quite like that office block. The apartment blocks are dull though.

Maggern2k

June 17th, 2010, 11:45 PM

I must say the architecture of that office block is quite similar to the one of Realfagsbygget...

Þróndeimr

June 18th, 2010, 09:48 PM

Lerkendal Innovasjonssenter
Lerkendal Innovasjonssenter on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2181-lerkendal-innovasjon)

A 9 500m2 large office and retail building next to Lerkendal Stadium. Construction will start in November 2010.

http://i45.tinypic.com/vcyxxx.jpg
Large rendering: http://i45.tinypic.com/2j5l43q.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/jgl6py.jpg
Large rendering: http://i47.tinypic.com/abmb2f.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/21dlmw9.jpg
Large rendering: http://i49.tinypic.com/30cn8f6.jpg

Þróndeimr

June 19th, 2010, 02:37 PM

Charlottenlund VGS
Charlottenlund VGS on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2179-charlottenlund-vgs)

Old Brundalen VGS (upper secondary school) is been rebuilt into a larger and more modern school. Its name will also change to Charlottenlund
Videregående Skole. Construction will start in August 2010 with completion in summer 2012.

http://i48.tinypic.com/16c751s.jpg

Þróndeimr

June 19th, 2010, 03:49 PM

I am updating the first page of this thread, and will keep it updated as the QUICK LINKS | NORWAY-thread. So all the many pages of mess can be previewed on the front page.

Note that i use Urbika on the lists, a good tool to locate each project and connect each project to the companies behind the project.

Might take some time to get all projects on the first page though. I would not mind getting some replies with ideas and feedback whether the overview is a good tool or not. :)

And i am sorry for those with 1024 pixel resolution on its screens, they have to scroll sideways. Its optimized for 1280 pixel screens or larger.

Þróndeimr

June 19th, 2010, 04:45 PM

Kunnskapssenteret
Kunnskapssenteret on Urbika (http://www.urbika.com/projects/view/2196-kunnskapssenteret)

The last construction phase of St. Olavs Hospital will be Kunnskapssenteret (Knowledge Centre). This is where the main hospital building stands, a
12 floor tall highrise. The demolition of the building started in early 2010 as the last patients moved out to the other facilities that was completed
in late 2009. The Knowledge Centre will have a medical library and the main auditoria. Also dermatology and sexually transmitted diseases, and a
special unit for infectious diseases. Construction of the centre will begin in May 2011 with completion in October 2013.

View the renderings in high resolution (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=81034794#post81034794)

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/7006/kunnskapssenteret1x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5516/kunnskapssenteret2x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4970/kunnskapssenteret7x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/167/kunnskapssenteret3x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2696/kunnskapssenteret9x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1876/kunnskapssenteret5x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7010/kunnskapssenteret6x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1633/kunnskapssenteret4x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1935/kunnskapssenteret8x1000.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6835/kunnskapssenteret10x100.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9585/kunnskapssenteret12x100.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1176/kunnskapssenteret14x100.jpg
Illustration by Helsebygg Midt-Norge (http://www.helsebygg.no/)