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#1 ·
First Bullet Train in North America to be Built in Mexico

Mexico to open bidding on rapid train project

El Universal
Viernes 18 de noviembre de 2005
Miami Herald,

Mexico will open bidding on a US12 billion bullet train project to link the capital with the country's second-largest city, Guadalajara.
The bidding is expected to begin by early 2006 after a feasibility study is completed, Transportation Secretary Pedro Cerisola y Weber said Wednesday.

The train would reduce travel times on a 600-kilometer (375mile) route that would also link the central Mexico cities of Queretaro, Irapuato and Leon. Mexico City is seven hours from Guadalajara by bus; officials have not said how long the journey would take on the bullet train.

Mexico City was left without passenger trains in 2001 for the first time in 127 years. Work is now scheduled on a suburban commuter rail line.

Most national passenger runs were quietly canceled in 1999 following decades of mismanagement of the state-owned passenger rail service. Mexican trains carried 37.4 million passengers a year at their peak in the 1970s.
 
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#3 ·
No this is not a proposal. Bidding is already in place and has as you can read has been announced. The bidding is being handled by a French concern.

Neither Florida nor California have concrete plans for high speed trains, The reason there is no money for US projects which is currently being funneled to fund expensive foolish wars and not spent in people or infrastructure.

It is a matter of priorities.

12 Billion Dollars is not much for an economy the size of Mexico's, and it makes more sense in it's highly urbanized and developed urban corridors.

Orlando and Tampa are set in steamy swamps in the backwaters of the south. In any case their inhabitants prefer gas guzzeling SUV's.
 
#4 ·
great news
 
#7 ·
SuperDog said:
No this is not a proposal. Bidding is already in place and has as you can read has been announced. The bidding is being handled by a French concern.

Neither Florida nor California have concrete plans for high speed trains, The reason there is no money for US projects which is currently being funneled to fund expensive foolish wars and not spent in people or infrastructure.

It is a matter of priorities.

12 Billion Dollars is not much for an economy the size of Mexico's, and it makes more sense in it's highly urbanized and developed urban corridors.

Orlando and Tampa are set in steamy swamps in the backwaters of the south. In any case their inhabitants prefer gas guzzeling SUV's.
Didn't leave anybody out of that now did you? :)
 
#9 ·
bitxofo said:
No trains in Mexico since 2001?
:eek2:

Yeap...that's right NO PASSENGER trains since 2001.

They were old and competed for track space with frieght trains. It is a shame. But reason has since taken over and several projects are in the works:

1. Bullet Train Mexico City- Guadalajara (the first in the Western Hemisphere! and don't say Aceola it's just a "bullet" shaped clunker)
2. Suburban trains around Mexico City
3. Inter-urban train in the central Mexican state of Guanajuato.
 
#12 ·
SuperDog said:
Yeap...that's right NO PASSENGER trains since 2001.

They were old and competed for track space with frieght trains. It is a shame. But reason has since taken over and several projects are in the works:

1. Bullet Train Mexico City- Guadalajara (the first in the Western Hemisphere! and don't say Aceola it's just a "bullet" shaped clunker)
2. Suburban trains around Mexico City
3. Inter-urban train in the central Mexican state of Guanajuato.
Not the first in the western hemisphere. Spain is just in the western hemisphere and they have it already. First in the Americas though, still not a bad achievment at all ;).
I'm really Glad to see such development in Mexico, it could really boast the economy over a wide area. And I hope to visit Mexico one day so maybe I'll get to ride it :D.
 
#13 ·
spyguy999 said:
Why do you keep insulting Americans in this thread? This is supposed to be about trains in Mexico, not their peers in America.

RELAX, It's a "term of endearment" I just hate your president and the caos and hell that he has created on the common people of Irak.

With all of the great institutions and think tanks in the US ...the only fool you can come up with to lead the free world was this simpleton?

I am so pisssed off at the American electorate for being so naive about the world around them.

Remember ... Bush impacts the world.... Oaxaca, Timbuctu, Naitrobi Madras and not just Peoria. This naive, mumbling village fool is at the helm!

GOD couldn't you have done better?

Anyway back to trains.
 
#14 ·
crazyevildude said:
Not the first in the western hemisphere. Spain is just in the western hemisphere and they have it already. First in the Americas though, still not a bad achievment at all ;).
I'm really Glad to see such development in Mexico, it could really boast the economy over a wide area. And I hope to visit Mexico one day so maybe I'll get to ride it :D.
What is "western hemisphere"?
:?
There are 2 hemispheres:
-Northern.
-Southern.
;)
Spain has got high speed trains since 1992, 4th country in the world.
;)
 
#20 ·
PROJECT FOR A MEXICO CITY - GUADALARAJA HIGH SPEED LINE

The Ministry of Communications and Transport for Mexico (SCT) has appointed SYSTRA to assist it in drawing up the terms of tender for the turnkey project to build a high-speed line between Mexico City and Guadalajara. The tender is due to be launched in mid 2005.
In the second phase of the project, SYSTRA will help SCT with the process of drawing up the contracts and the deed of concession which will be awarded to the contracting firm responsible for the design, construction and operation of this twin-track line.
SYSTRA is supported by 2 Mexican firms, one for legal aspects and the other partner providing technical assistance (SINTRA S.A. de C.V. Sistemas INtegrales para el TRAnsporte), to ensure the transfer of technology, optimum integration of the project, and compliance with Mexican law.
The Mexican Federal Government has been working on this project since 2002. The line will operate at a commercial speed of around 300 km per hour, cutting journey time between Mexico City and Guadalajara to 2 hours. It will also serve the cities of Queretaro and Irapuato. In total, 28 million people will benefit from the new line. According to the SCT, fares will be comparable to those of luxury coaches, with a faster and safer service.
The line will be the first step in a programme to develop high speed lines across Mexico.
 
#21 ·
Haber said:
This should be a wake up call to the states to start investing money in rail instead of freeways.
Mexico Overtakes The US

The sixty-year successful campaign of the car, highway-building and airline industries against public transport in the USA, so far, also succeeded in stopping every high-speed rail project. IIRC Bush's election as governor killed the Texas Triangle, his younger brother in Florida succeeded to castrate the high-speed project written into the Florida constitution; and Arnold Schwarzenegger recently made noises about tossing California's well-advanced plans.

Meanwhile, even under the leadership of a Big Business President (Vincente Fox), Mexico has kicked off a high-speed project - nearing the tendering stage (via US pro-rail e-zine Destination:Freedom):


In a move to jump-start high-speed rail in Mexico, the country’s Ministry of Communications and Transport (SCT) has appointed SYSTRA to help draw up tender agreement terms for a turnkey project connecting Mexico City and Guadalajara, according to Railway Age.

Slated to run at speeds of 186 mph, the rail operation will cut travel time to two hours and serve some 28 million passengers. It also will link up with the cities of Queretaro and Irapuato. According to SYSTRA, the tender is scheduled for launch by mid-year.

In the project’s second phase, SYSTRA will help SCT draw up the contacts and deed of concession, which will be awarded to a firm responsible for the design, construction, and operation of a double-track line. Two Mexican companies are supporting SYSTRA in its work – one for legal aspects and the other for technical assistance.

The Mexican federal government reportedly has been in the developmental stages of high-speed rail since 2002.
 
#23 ·
SuperDog said:
No this is not a proposal. Bidding is already in place and has as you can read has been announced. The bidding is being handled by a French concern.

Neither Florida nor California have concrete plans for high speed trains, The reason there is no money for US projects which is currently being funneled to fund expensive foolish wars and not spent in people or infrastructure.

It is a matter of priorities.

12 Billion Dollars is not much for an economy the size of Mexico's, and it makes more sense in it's highly urbanized and developed urban corridors.

Orlando and Tampa are set in steamy swamps in the backwaters of the
south. In any case their inhabitants prefer gas guzzeling SUV's.
I dont know about california but florida was ready to build its rail too routes, stations, costs, etc were planned out and construction was supposed to start, but they rejected it because of not enough money.

More money is spent handling infrastructure than foolish wars, here in florida we are growing so fast we need to constantly update, widen, or build new roads, schools and many other things. That costs alot of money to keep doing that over and over and yes it is a matter of priorities it makes more sense since people here will use cars in their own city than use a train to go to a city almost 200 miles away even though some day it would connect all the major metros in florida that some people might commute from but the majority need urban roads to be better.

Of course your being ignorant saying that people in the south all drive gas guzzling SUV's my city and many others are proposing/building light rail in the cities and Orlando and most of Tampa arent swamp. Also with mexico making $12 billion a year, didnt you say bidding will begin which means a private investor will pay the bill and not to forget their currency is worth less than the dollar and of course cheap labor will all be positive factors to the building of this train which the USA doesnt have those advantages.

SuperDog said:
Mexico Overtakes The US
The sixty-year successful campaign of the car, highway-building and airline industries against public transport in the USA, so far, also succeeded in stopping every high-speed rail project. IIRC Bush's election as governor killed the Texas Triangle, his younger brother in Florida succeeded to castrate the high-speed project written into the Florida constitution.
Actually Florida's rail project has been brought back into consideration again and they are working on funding issues.
 
#25 ·
SuperDog said:
RELAX, It's a "term of endearment" I just hate your president and the caos and hell that he has created on the common people of Irak.

With all of the great institutions and think tanks in the US ...the only fool you can come up with to lead the free world was this simpleton?

I am so pisssed off at the American electorate for being so naive about the world around them.

Remember ... Bush impacts the world.... Oaxaca, Timbuctu, Naitrobi Madras and not just Peoria. This naive, mumbling village fool is at the helm!

GOD couldn't you have done better?

Anyway back to trains.
Don't worry, the populace of America is growing weary of open borders, free trade and foreign entanglements. You can look forward to a more nationalist America in the future that avoids going abroad in search of monsters to destroy. An America that worries about its own border rather than that of South Korea. An America that invests the fortune lavished upon defending the supply of oil from the Middle East instead towards gaining American energy independence.

To paraphrase Shintaro Ishihara, "An America that can say No." An America weary of having spent trillions of dollars defending European socialists from communism. An America that rejects the internationalism of Dubya and Kerry for the economic nationalism of Washington and Lincoln. An America that would rather spend money on its own infrastructure than squander it upon sewers in Cairo.

I myself look forward to that time. I would guess that quite a few of those whine about America will also whine when America does go home. I wonder if Europe will be able to afford the lavish cradle to grave social programs they cherish when Uncle ******* no longer foots the tab for securing their trade routes.

On to railways, the US should develop a "Steel Interstate" to compliment the Interstate Highways. Such a program was outlined 50 years ago by John W. Barriger, a far better use for taxpayer dollars that the schemes that Bush and Bono dream up to squander the US taxpayers dollars.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Nobody asked the US to go around and shove "democracy " down people's throats.

Don't think that American intenations are always good. You are not a victim you are a perpetuator.

MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS!!

If the populance of "America" is so fed up why haven't they yanked that fool out of office and made him accountable for the foolish mess he's gotten the world in?
 
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