Should Scotland be allowed Independence?

[OperateOnMe]

Scotland has a Parliment with two-faced-hypocritical MPs, hence it has everything most countries have. As it is not an Assembly but a Parliment, plus there are always cries of Independance. Should Scotland be allowed to be Independent from the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and NI)?

Plus they even rejected Brownie when he was PM

[NCT]

Well I guess it's not really a question of whether it should be allowed but whether an Independent Scotland will do itself and the other current constituent countries of the UK any good.

[OperateOnMe]

It would be a massive boost to councils throughout England, Walse and NI; as England would no longer be subsidising Scotland (with the exception of defence and current other contracts). Thus our budget deficit will reduce and more funds will be available to spend, including to alternative third-world countries

[indiekid]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/mi...ies_really_go/

[mic of Orion]

Originally Posted by OperateOnMe

Scotland has a Parliment with two-faced-hypocritical MPs, hence it has everything most countries have. As it is not an Assembly but a Parliment, plus there are always cries of Independance. Should Scotland be allowed to be Independent from the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and NI)?

Plus they even rejected Brownie when he was PM

stupid question tbh, if Scotland were to declare independence there's nothing we can do about it, if it is a will of majority of Scottish people than they should have the independence, but i do hope they rethink and remain part of the United Kingdom.


so to reply to your question, its up to the Scottish people if they wish to remain part of the United Kingdom, and I'd support Scottish Independence if majority of Scottish peopled wanted this at the referendum.

[chilliz]

+1.... Although I wouldn't support it. I would just think they were arrogant and stupid.

[mexico86]

Originally Posted by chilliz

+1.... Although I wouldn't support it. I would just think they were arrogant and stupid.

+1, I would probably sneer at those who voted for independence, and rightfully so.

[JackSwan]

[Republica]

dont care

[london-b]

Portugl?

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by london-b

Portugl?

Greece.

[Accura4Matalan]

Originally Posted by london-b

Portugl?

But where is it?

[Lailax]

Wouldn't care. Not like England will collapse into a period of mourning anyway.

[Steel City Suburb]

No. Simple as.

[Mr Trebus]

hopefully

[sarflonlad]

The people of Scotland should be allowed to chose their own destiny. But the key is all people (including the apathetic ones) have a say - and not just the minority of shouting nationalists. Though really in 2010+, what would an independent Scotland achieve? It would have no voice anywhere. The irony would be it would become submissive to the EU - ie. France, Germany AND England/Wales deciding supranational law which Scotland must abide.

An independent Scotland would also need to:
- Pit itself against England to decide what to do with the oil (it's kidding itself if they think the 'English' government will just hand over the North Sea with no questions). That will result in the biggest embarassing failure of the independence project.
- Raise capital to support the banks which nearly brought the UK to its needs.
- Raise taxes to counter the reduction in per head subsidy from the English taxpayer.
- Establish a military, navy and airforce if it truly wants to be independent and sovereign from the other British nations.
- Setup international agreements as a nothing nation against some large and emerging powers and who may not like the idea of an independent Scotland (see paragraph below).
- Establish industries it can take to the world without pulling on English resource to do it.

Even in the unlikely event Scotland achieves independence, there would be some international recognition issues no doubt. Possibly these might include parts of Europe (am thinking Spain) and maybe even China would like her view given the number of 'Autonomous' regions it has where independence separatist groups exist.

I would like to hear reasons from pro-independence Scots on what the benefits are of breaking up the union. In addition to this, it would be good to also hear how 'likely' they think these benefits are to materialise.

[mexico86]

Originally Posted by sarflonlad

The people of Scotland should be allowed to chose their own destiny. But the key is all people (including the apathetic ones) have a say - and not just the minority of shouting nationalists. Though really in 2010+, what would an independent Scotland achieve? It would have no voice anywhere. The irony would be it would become submissive to the EU - ie. France, Germany AND England/Wales deciding supranational law which Scotland must abide.

An independent Scotland would also need to:
- Pit itself against England to decide what to do with the oil (it's kidding itself if they think the 'English' government will just hand over the North Sea with no questions). That will result in the biggest embarassing failure of the independence project.
- Raise capital to support the banks which nearly brought the UK to its needs.
- Raise taxes to counter the reduction in per head subsidy from the English taxpayer.
- Establish a military, navy and airforce if it truly wants to be independent and sovereign from the other British nations.
- Setup international agreements as a nothing nation against some large and emerging powers and who may not like the idea of an independent Scotland (see paragraph below).
- Establish industries it can take to the world without pulling on English resource to do it.

Even in the unlikely event Scotland achieves independence, there would be some international recognition issues no doubt. Possibly these might include parts of Europe (am thinking Spain) and maybe even China would like her view given the number of 'Autonomous' regions it has where independence separatist groups exist.

I would like to hear reasons from pro-independence Scots on what the benefits are of breaking up the union. In addition to this, it would be good to also hear how 'likely' they think these benefits are to materialise.

Good post, but you missed the one clear benefit to Scots of independence. They'll be able to wear blue face paint and shout FREEDOM, transforming Scotland into utopia.

[alonzo-ny]

Originally Posted by mexico86

+1, I would probably sneer at those who voted for independence, and rightfully so.

Originally Posted by mexico86

Good post, but you missed the one clear benefit to Scots of independence. They'll be able to wear blue face paint and shout FREEDOM, transforming Scotland into utopia.

+1

Subliving

[Manchester Planner]

Rubbish question - of course Scotland should be allowed to have independence. Whether they should be independent is another matter, as is whether I think they ought to be independent.

[Bachy Soletanche]

Originally Posted by Manchester Planner

Rubbish question - of course Scotland should be allowed to have independence. Whether they should be independent is another matter, as is whether I think they ought to be independent.

When you say allow, what sort of reparations will we be looking for?