Iraqi-Kurdistan Politics

[sheytanElKebir]

Please continue discussing Kurdistani politics on this thread! I hope the MOD is Ok with it?

[alankurdi]

yeah i dont know i got a msg from bigdreamer warning me not to talk about kurdistan and its politics saying that lots of iraqi members report me like i have committed a crime ?!! , i guess this is why kurds sometimes cant trust iraqi Arabs for their outstanding issues ?

[BigDreamer]

Originally Posted by alankurdi

yeah i dont know i got a msg from bigdreamer warning me not to talk about kurdistan and its politics saying that lots of iraqi members report me like i have committed a crime ?!! , i guess this is why kurds sometimes cant trust iraqi Arabs for their outstanding issues ?

dude, I never said you committed a crime or anything remotely close to that ! (Nor did anyone else who complained) stop making up crap ..

all I said is to not start threads that would end up being a troll fest .. there are sensitive topics that should be avoided which includes religious debates, political slander, and obviously disputed territories. And this applies to everyone. Other forums in Mideast section are just as strict..

Stop trying to sound that you're getting a warning because you are kurdish! believe me, no one is picking on you for being a kurd ! what an absurd idea! if an Arab guy (or any other ethnicity) start making politically motivated threads such as yours and Kurdish formers complain about it, they would get EXACTLY the same warning ! it is as simple as that..

As for the specific matter of Kirkuk. it is officially NOT part of the KRG. Once it is officially recognised to be part of KRG, than you can treat it as such.

infact, just reading the very first post in that thread, it's clear that you created that thread for the sole purpose of labeling Kirkuk under KRG, knowing very well that would invite debate. creating a thread with the intention of inciting irrelevant debates is trolling.



I hope that cleared up the record.

[Yousifovic]

lol that has nothing to do with arabs and kurds ..
its just that this forum is NOT forum politics .. but maybe u keep talking abt politics and bring subjects nd u have political points behind them while theres a thread made for this issue (although its NOT allowed ) ..nd maybe for sheytan also....... also me btw :P

BTW iddnt report u or any1 just saying lol

[sheytanElKebir]

i didn't report you either this time (i did report you for that earlier slur many days ago though)

we can keep discussing this important topic here and since there's a demand to discuss this i don't see why we can't... (and also get our post numbers up along the way! bonus!).

[alankurdi]

well i never report anyone not on here or anywhere else i dunno where is freedom of speech if i did ?

btw what you guys this of the 5% compensation of oil money to kuwait ? also the KRG has to participate even tho i think KRG should also be compensated as it suffered most?

[alankurdi]

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[alankurdi]

i just realized one thing , most of the Arab families that were forced to move to kirkuk are from Shia Arabs , the mofo done this to even turn our shia brothers against us after himself . far out how much hate this A.hole had against kurds i hope he will burn for eternity in hell


Kurdish neighborhood in Kirkuk before ethnic cleansing



Kurdish neighborhood in Kirkuk after ethnic cleansing

also Kirkuk's oil field is about 50 kms long and 2 kms wide and it stretched into a non-Kurd region i guess KRG and Baghdad could reach a 50/50 deal if we were both to go our separate ways?




note the oil field stretches outside the Kurdish inhabitant region by 50%

[sheytanElKebir]

yes i think the 50/50 deal on kirkuk field is the most viable for both parties and it will ensure that KRG isn't held to ransom by Turkey and Iraq also gets feedstock for the Baiji refinery which supplies 30% of Iraq's domestic use (i.e. kirkuk oil).

[alankurdi]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

yes i think the 50/50 deal on kirkuk field is the most viable for both parties and it will ensure that KRG isn't held to ransom by Turkey and Iraq also gets feedstock for the Baiji refinery which supplies 30% of Iraq's domestic use (i.e. kirkuk oil).

agreed . although how would such agreement come about if both parties became 2 different states ! would it be the oil fields outside the kurdish inhabitants be controlled by newly created Iraq or by KRG controlling the entire field then shares 50% with Iraq ? just curious how they would come to an agreement

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by alankurdi

agreed . although how would such agreement come about if both parties became 2 different states ! would it be the oil fields outside the kurdish inhabitants be controlled by newly created Iraq or by KRG controlling the entire field then shares 50% with Iraq ? just curious how they would come to an agreement

it would be managed as a "shared field" between countries. This is standard and already happens between many countries around the world with shared fields.

[Jess33e]

mainly hejazi with some shroogi from nassiriya/samawa

[Yousifovic]

lool me too i never reported any1 ( except in FB once :P )
nywayz Alan sorry iddnt get wat u mean abt Kuwait ?

[alankurdi]

Originally Posted by Yousifovic

lool me too i never reported any1 ( except in FB once :P )
nywayz Alan sorry iddnt get wat u mean abt Kuwait ?

iraq is to compensate kuwaits war losses and KRG has to contribute to this from its oil budget , what i mean is the KRG suffered the most in iraq it should too be compensated to be honest , Halabja ? Anfal ? 5000 barzanis executed ? and 2000 villages destroyed by the saddams army.



btw i have just encountered this news after all the Sunnis dont oppose the implementation of the article 140 anymore.

Baghdad, Jan. 5 (AKnews) - The Iraqiya List stated on Wednesday that it will not oppose the application of Article 140 for the normalization of the situation in the disputed areas during the next two years.

Jamal Al-Batikh Wasit, Jamal Al-Batix WasitMP Jamal al-Battikh told AKnews that Article 140 is constitutional and there are political consensus about it among all the winning blocs in the elections.

"The list assured on that the application of this article should be preceded by the suitable environment and it not be affected by any nationalism at the expense of other ethnic groups in the disputed areas, especially in Kirkuk and the surrounding areas."

"There are political agreements between the blocs that oblige them to ensure a suitable atmosphere for the application of Article 140 of the Iraqi Constitution in the disputed areas."

Article 140 is one of the articles of the permanent Iraqi constitution to resolve the issue of disputed areas between the Kurdistan Regional Government in Erbil and the federal government in Baghdad. According to the article, its three paragraphs were supposed to be implemented at the end of 2007 and they state first on returning the displaced inhabitants of the disputed areas to them, then conduct a census year in these areas, and at last making a public opinion poll to vote on the annexing these areas to Kurdistan or to the federal government in Baghdad, but non of these paragraphs are implemented so far.

http://www.aknews.com/en/aknews/4/208212/

[kurd123]

It is quite stupid that we have to pay for crimes that were also committed against us.. but then again, saddam used to charge people for the bullet he used to kill a member of your family, what a twat!

I think that kuwait will hear about this once Iraq gets back on it's feet.

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by alankurdi

iraq is to compensate kuwaits war losses and KRG has to contribute to this from its oil budget , what i mean is the KRG suffered the most in iraq it should too be compensated to be honest , Halabja ? Anfal ? 5000 barzanis executed ? and 2000 villages destroyed by the saddams army.

well i quite agree with you here. Imagine how angry the people of Southern Iraq are... they have to pony up 90%+ of the compensation for saddam's crimes, and all they ever saw of saddam was deportations and mass graves.

Kuwait is being rather silly with its insistence on the continuation of the compensation payments, especially considering all the "guilty" parties are either dead now, or living in Jordan, Sudan, Egypt and Qatar.

[elusive]

Originally Posted by alankurdi

iraq is to compensate kuwaits war losses and KRG has to contribute to this from its oil budget , what i mean is the KRG suffered the most in iraq it should too be compensated to be honest , Halabja ? Anfal ? 5000 barzanis executed ? and 2000 villages destroyed by the saddams army.



btw i have just encountered this news after all the Sunnis dont oppose the implementation of the article 140 anymore.



http://www.aknews.com/en/aknews/4/208212/

every region in iraq should contribute equally...do you think any of the other poor provinces in iraq deserve what happened to them? at least kurdistani iraq is a bit well off now...

[alankurdi]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

it would be managed as a "shared field" between countries. This is standard and already happens between many countries around the world with shared fields.

oh i see

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

well i quite agree with you here. Imagine how angry the people of Southern Iraq are... they have to pony up 90%+ of the compensation for saddam's crimes, and all they ever saw of saddam was deportations and mass graves.

Kuwait is being rather silly with its insistence on the continuation of the compensation payments, especially considering all the "guilty" parties are either dead now, or living in Jordan, Sudan, Egypt and Qatar.

yeah kuwait should forgive iraq since kurdsitan 1 2nd south suffered most and its them who they want the compensations from now. silly kuwaitis lol.

Originally Posted by BigDreamer

dude, I never said you committed a crime or anything remotely close to that ! (Nor did anyone else who complained) stop making up crap ..

all I said is to not start threads that would end up being a troll fest .. there are sensitive topics that should be avoided which includes religious debates, political slander, and obviously disputed territories. And this applies to everyone. Other forums in Mideast section are just as strict..

Stop trying to sound that you're getting a warning because you are kurdish! believe me, no one is picking on you for being a kurd ! what an absurd idea! if an Arab guy (or any other ethnicity) start making politically motivated threads such as yours and Kurdish formers complain about it, they would get EXACTLY the same warning ! it is as simple as that..

As for the specific matter of Kirkuk. it is officially NOT part of the KRG. Once it is officially recognised to be part of KRG, than you can treat it as such.

infact, just reading the very first post in that thread, it's clear that you created that thread for the sole purpose of labeling Kirkuk under KRG, knowing very well that would invite debate. creating a thread with the intention of inciting irrelevant debates is trolling.I hope that cleared up the record.

ok fair enuff but just cos its not in KRG YET doesn't mean its not a Kurdish city? but i dont mind since it creates such big dilemma im happy to wait till article 140 of the constitution is implemented within the 2 years set period.

Originally Posted by elusive

every region in iraq should contribute equally...do you think any of the other poor provinces in iraq deserve what happened to them? at least Kurdistan Iraq is a bit well off now...

no i think different im afraid it should be on "who suffered most to least" . and it doesn't matter what the KRG status is now but it would have been 4 times better if it wasn't for Mr A.hole S.H.

[baghdad_sara]

Originally Posted by alankurdi

no i think different im afraid it should be on "who suffered most to least" . and it doesn't matter what the KRG status is now but it would have been 4 times better if it wasn't for Mr A.hole S.H.

But if we go by your theory, then some people will continue to suffer while other's prosper, are we not repeating the steps of Mr. A$$ Hole?

[alankurdi]

how are we ? we aren't killing torturing and depriving anyone's freedom ? we basically making those who hands are dirty pay for their dirty deeds on a great scale i mean saddam didnt do all the Shit to iraq but his followers did and until now he has followers in the mid of iraq .