Halal Food Outlets & Products

[Fabian]

An employee of the KFC at Punchbowl in Sydney lost his cool on Boxing Day after a customer demanded that his burger be provided with bacon, which is forbidden by Muslims as it is a product made from pigs.



The employee was stood down over the incident. Provoked or not this was unacceptable.

It has bought up the issue of fast food outlets such as KFC and McDonalds having outlets that only serve halal meat but the wider debate of those of Islamic faith accepting Australian values and customs but also the "Islamicification of Australia".

Jews eat kosher, but don't complain.
Hindu's dont complain about us eating cows.

Even more interesting, advertising. If a burger is advertised with bacon, aren't you expected to be provided with it otherwise it would be false advertising under Fair Trading laws and the Trade Practices Act

[Tyson]

FYI: Bacon is from pigs, not cows.

[Wezza]

Originally Posted by Tyson

FYI: Bacon is from pigs, not cows.

Actually, we had beef bacon in Indonesia!

[Dimethyltryptamine]

fully sik bro

[KiwiGuy]

This is the very exact reason why I say multiculturalism causes problems.

[BearCave]

Originally Posted by KiwiGuy

This is the very exact reason why I say multiculturalism causes problems.

I've never seen Jews nor Hindus complain. Nor Indonesian muslims. So the problem is not the multiculturalism, it's the leb.

[Mickeebee]

Originally Posted by KiwiGuy

This is the very exact reason why I say multiculturalism causes problems.

You are joking aren't you?

[KiwiGuy]

Originally Posted by Mickeebee

You are joking aren't you?

The enlightened one has arrived. So, your problem is?

[Mickeebee]

Originally Posted by KiwiGuy

The enlightened one has arrived. So, your problem is?

I'm amazed by all your rantings on this thread and the multicultural thread.....have you ever considered that the problem might just be YOU?

[KiwiGuy]

Originally Posted by Mickeebee

I'm amazed by all your rantings on this thread and the multicultural thread.....have you ever considered that the problem might just be YOU?

Do I have a problem? Your saying that it might just be me that has a problem? Wake up and smell the coffee. Go through the Multicultural thread and you will find that there are people who share the same, or similar views as I do.

[invincible]

^ +1. This is the action of just one person, which was clearly inappropriate, but Fabian's commentary is just generalisation and plain offensive. It's akin to the garbage in the tabloids and talkback radio.

As for halal-only restaurants - maybe it's just good business sense? Nothing wrong with menus having variations to better cater for the local market. What issue could there possibly be from there?

[OptomistOne]

I don't know that much about how halal meat is actually prepared. But from what I have seen so far it seems that the animal is killed by having its throat cut while still conscious and bleeds to death while some nutter says a few prayers over it. If that is correct then I would be the first in the line to ban all halal meat and exports of live animals to countries which produce it in this way.

But as I say, if I am wrong about its preparation I would be very very pleased to be corrected....

[Shumway]

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

I don't know that much about how halal meat is actually prepared. But from what I have seen so far it seems that the animal is killed by having its throat cut while still conscious and bleeds to death while some nutter says a few prayers over it. If that is correct then I would be the first in the line to ban all halal meat and exports of live animals to countries which produce it in this way.

But as I say, if I am wrong about its preparation I would be very very pleased to be corrected....

Well it would be a logical conclusion to draw that most animals are conscious before they are killed... 99% of the meat that sits on your table at dinner time probably was, and that cow that provided your burger almost certainly died in miserable and painful circumstances. Western countries are hardly known for giving the animals we eat dignified and painless deaths.

"Islamic dietary laws and Jewish dietary laws mandate that domestic animals raised for meat be slaughtered under strict religious guidelines. Both the Jewish (shechita) and Islamic (zabihah or dhabihah) methods of slaughter involve making a single, swift incision to the throat of the animal – deep enough to sever the jugular vein, carotid arteries, trachea and esophagus, but not so deep as to cut the spinal cord.

Although the image of this may be disturbing, ritual slaughter when performed correctly is painless to the animal. This is because the immediate severance of both the blood and oxygen supply to the brain causes the animal to quickly lose consciousness and all sensation. Anemia of the brain occurs within seconds." Source.

[OptomistOne]

Originally Posted by Shumway

Well it would be a logical conclusion to draw that most animals are conscious before they are killed... 99% of the meat that sits on your table at dinner time probably was, and that cow that provided your burger almost certainly died in miserable and painful circumstances. Western countries are hardly known for giving the animals we eat dignified and painless deaths.

"Islamic dietary laws and Jewish dietary laws mandate that domestic animals raised for meat be slaughtered under strict religious guidelines. Both the Jewish (shechita) and Islamic (zabihah or dhabihah) methods of slaughter involve making a single, swift incision to the throat of the animal – deep enough to sever the jugular vein, carotid arteries, trachea and esophagus, but not so deep as to cut the spinal cord.

Although the image of this may be disturbing, ritual slaughter when performed correctly is painless to the animal. This is because the immediate severance of both the blood and oxygen supply to the brain causes the animal to quickly lose consciousness and all sensation. Anemia of the brain occurs within seconds." Source.

Oh give me a break. Animals which are killed in modern Western abbatoirs are first stunned using a specialised piece of kit which renders them unconscious and only then does the actual death occur. They are not conscious when they are actually killed. And in fact research is underway on developing additional techniques which can even be applied to other species such as fish and crustaceans which renders those creatures unconscious as well.

Thanks also for confirming the halal method is what I understood it to be - both medieval and cruel practised just for the benefit of religious nutters. As for the painlessness of the practice (if practised correctly I note you quoted -and how precisely do you guarantee that by the way in some shit hole backyard abbatoir in the Middle East?). I am not saying that western methods are perfect but at least research is underway to try and improve things - which is not something you can ever ever say about halal meat production - that must stay the way it is because it is solely destined for the tables of the delusional classes. I would ban it in a heart beat.

From the RSPCA website section dealing with ritual slaughter (halal meat)...

Sheep have been shown being herded into a slaughtering facility, and then dragged one by one to the slaughtering area. Here their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death over a drain. In some importing countries, cattle face an even more horrific death. In the slaughtering hall, they have their tendons slashed and sometimes their eyes gouged in order to bring them down and, finally, they have their throats cut and are left to bleed to death. All this happens in front of other cattle awaiting a similar fate. Cattle and sheep destined for ‘home slaughter’ are no better off and may face even crueler slaughtering methods.

[hornetfig]

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

Thanks also for confirming the halal method is what I understood it to be - both medieval and cruel practised just for the benefit of religious nutters. As for the painlessness of the practice (if practised correctly I note you quoted -and how precisely do you guarantee that by the way in some shit hole backyard abbatoir in the Middle East?).

lol. As Shuz quotes, the method of slaughter causes an immediate loss of blood pressure such that the animal will immediately black out. You should be more concerned about why Kosher-keeping Jews or Halal-keeping Muslims want to eat such dried out-tasting meat (it invariably is).

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

From the RSPCA website section dealing with ritual slaughter (halal meat)...

Sheep have been shown being herded into a slaughtering facility, and then dragged one by one to the slaughtering area. Here their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death over a drain...

Of all the problems in middle east countries, you want to start with their halal slaughter conditions?

[Sanj]

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

Oh give me a break. Animals which are killed in modern Western abbatoirs are first stunned using a specialised piece of kit which renders them unconscious and only then does the actual death occur. They are not conscious when they are actually killed. And in fact research is underway on developing additional techniques which can even be applied to other species such as fish and crustaceans which renders those creatures unconscious as well.

Thanks also for confirming the halal method is what I understood it to be - both medieval and cruel practised just for the benefit of religious nutters. As for the painlessness of the practice (if practised correctly I note you quoted -and how precisely do you guarantee that by the way in some shit hole backyard abbatoir in the Middle East?). I am not saying that western methods are perfect but at least research is underway to try and improve things - which is not something you can ever ever say about halal meat production - that must stay the way it is because it is solely destined for the tables of the delusional classes. I would ban it in a heart beat.

From the RSPCA website section dealing with ritual slaughter (halal meat)...

Sheep have been shown being herded into a slaughtering facility, and then dragged one by one to the slaughtering area. Here their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death over a drain. In some importing countries, cattle face an even more horrific death. In the slaughtering hall, they have their tendons slashed and sometimes their eyes gouged in order to bring them down and, finally, they have their throats cut and are left to bleed to death. All this happens in front of other cattle awaiting a similar fate. Cattle and sheep destined for ‘home slaughter’ are no better off and may face even crueler slaughtering methods.

fucking lulz. ive been enjoying your dumbarse posts lately, pls continue to post with regularity

btw go see food inc and tell me that most meat eaten lives and dies humanely

note - yes it is based in the USA but still relevant

[BearCave]

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

Oh give me a break. Animals which are killed in modern Western abbatoirs are first stunned using a specialised piece of kit which renders them unconscious and only then does the actual death occur. They are not conscious when they are actually killed. And in fact research is underway on developing additional techniques which can even be applied to other species such as fish and crustaceans which renders those creatures unconscious as well.

This is the slaughterhouse in New Zealand.
Enjoy your hamburger!

[AtD]

Originally Posted by invincible

^ +1. This is the action of just one person, which was clearly inappropriate, but Fabian's commentary is just generalisation and plain offensive. It's akin to the garbage in the tabloids and talkback radio.

+2

[KiwiGuy]

It isn't good business sense, invinceable. It's plain animal cruelty. Halal meat is exactly as OptimistOne says. It's may be acceptable in the ME, or in any other Muslim country. But not in Australia or NZ. And besides, if he objects to handling anything from pigs, why did he take a job in a fast food restaurant? That is just asking for trouble.

Any idea why you don't see Jews or Hindu's complaining? Because they aren't as vocal as Muslims are. Fabian, for once, is actually right.

[swifty78]

As long as somewhere is clearly labelled as halal only and thats what the biggest customer base is then I dont see a problem.