Abidjan Disussion Thread - Cote D'Ivoire

[Alloukou]

Originally Posted by Kisumu Ndogo

Abidjan needs to revamp quickly to regain its previous status. So far good show.

Please get your politics out of here. This is a photo thread.
Thank you.

[Kisumu Ndogo]

You may be surprised to learn that I know more about Abidjan and IvoryCoast better than you(Though not Ivorian) I do not understand why you are becoming so defensive yet you probably did not play any role in the few setbacks that befell this great country besides this being a photo gallery it is also an international public forum of developmental discussion. Enough of politics.

[Alloukou]

Please get your politics out of here.
We've already closed 2 Ivory Coast threads because of people like you.
I've already sent 2 private messages to the site Admin to allert him about what you are starting again.

He Re-Created this thread and copied all the photos back, removing all the political trash.

So stop it now.
This is a 'pictures only' thread. Don't start the polical rants again.

If you want to talk Ivory politics, open a new thread, I will be more than glad to debate you there about Ivory coast and your Country.
Thank you.

[icosium]

very goods i visited abidjan in late 80
alloco is there any picture off area named les deux plateaux or riviera ?
if you have post them plz thanks

[icosium]

the place is aftter hotel ivoire going outbound
small city with few towers forgot name ....
it was close to a mosque a well...

Originally Posted by icosium

very goods i visited abidjan in late 80
alloco is there any picture off area named les deux plateaux or riviera ?
if you have post them plz thanks

[danube]

Er, exactly why is this so city so dangerous now, and what makes it so dangerous? Where did all of those thousands of rioters come from who were planning to kill the french in 04 come from also?

[Matthias Offodile]

Er, exactly why is this so city so dangerous now, and what makes it so dangerous? Where did all of those thousands of rioters come from who were planning to kill the french in 04 come from also?

NO POLITICAL DEBATES ONLY PICTURES!

[Alloukou]

Originally Posted by danube

Er, exactly why is this so city so dangerous now, and what makes it so dangerous? Where did all of those thousands of rioters come from who were planning to kill the french in 04 come from also?

If you want to discuss politics, join us at http://www.abidjantalk.com/forum
If you can't speak french, there is an english section.

Please this thread is for pictures only.
thanks.

[LeB.Fr]

Great pics everyone!
I was born in Abidjan and I lived there for 7 years. It is really Africa's best city!

[Matthias Offodile]

Great pics everyone!
I was born in Abidjan and I lived there for 7 years. It is really Africa's best city!

Beirutguy, cool! When did you live there?

[LeB.Fr]

I lived there between 1993 and 2000. I left it because of the situation.

[Matthias Offodile]

I lived there between 1993 and 2000. I left it because of the situation

Very nice, how did you like it there? Do you still have friends over there or do you even plan to return one day? If gets too personal, you can send me a PM
I am asking because I lived there, too.

[boris89]

I found it.....

ARTICLE DU 22 NOVEMBRE FROM NOTRE VOIE

Financement de la CICF: Arthur Grobri (PDG) : “Les Ivoiriens seront sollicités”
La Compagnie ivoirienne des chemins de fer va bientôt démarrer ses activités. Dans cette interview, le PDG, M. Arthur Grobri, explique tout ce qui est fait autour de cette phase active.

Notre Voie : Monsieur le président, tout le monde attend avec impatience le lancement des activités de la Compagnie ivoirienne des chemins de fer…
Arthur Grobri : Vous avez dû remarquer que des spots passent à la télé invitant les contribuables à faire des suggestions sur le fonctionnement du tramway à Abidjan. Le tramway en Côte d’Ivoire, ce n’est pas un rêve que nous voulons vendre aux Ivoiriens. C’est une réalité qui sera bientôt visible. Le tramway, c’est du nouveau en Côte d’Ivoire. Il faut donc sensibiliser la population abidjanaise sur ce nouveau mode de transport qui va certainement changer ses habitudes de déplacement. Cette politique de sensibilisation, nous l’avons jugée indispensable avant de lancer nos activités.
Nous sommes justement en train de concocter un programme de simulation pour préparer les esprits. C’est l’action de communication entreprise qui a commencé à la télé. Dans quelques jours, des panneaux publicitaires vont suivre, des encartages dans la presse écrite également. Nous avançons méthodiquement parce qu’il s’agit de chemin de fer, un secteur particulièrement délicat à l’instar du transport aérien.
La simulation va certainement causer des désagréments à la population parce que c’est nouveau. Mais, les gens vont finir par s’y habituer. A ce sujet, nous avons saisi les services compétents du District d’Abidjan à l’effet de prendre une part active à la campagne de sensibilisation. Le tramway, c’est pour bientôt ! Nous avons reçu des promesses fermes de financement, mais nous voudrons d’abord compter sur la contribution des Ivoiriens.

N.V. : On évoque justement le financement de la CICF comme un frein…
A.G. : Il y a des privés européens qui sont prêts à entrer dans le capital. Il faut éviter de tendre la main à l’extérieur. Il faut se départir du statut d’éternel assisté alors que, c’est connu, c’est l’Afrique qui soutient l’Europe. La Côte d’Ivoire est un pays porteur de marché ferroviaire, et chaque Ivoirien est amené à jouer sa partition sur ce marché.
Faisons un simple calcul. Abidjan compte en moyenne 6 millions d’habitants. Si les 70% de la population (4,2 millions d’habitants) qui se déplacent tous les jours dépensent en moyenne 2000 FCFA, le volume total du transport s’élève à 8,4 milliards FCFA par jour. En 1 mois, cela fait 252 milliards FCFA, ou encore 3024 milliards FCFA l’année. Or la CICF ne cherche que 655 milliards FCFA auprès des contribuables ivoiriens. Au lieu d’emprunter à l’extérieur et de rembourser environ 9000 milliards FCFA, nous préférons rembourser aux Ivoiriens. La collecte nationale est donc, dans l’esprit, une façon pour la CICF de s’assumer, de jouir d’une liberté d’action au cours des négociations, d’être maître de ses choix sur le marché ferroviaire, d’offrir un salaire décent au personnel. L’Etat, les collectivités locales, les personnes physiques sont donc attendues.
Entrer dans le capital de la CICF, c’est participer en toute sécurité au développement du pays.

N.V. : Où en est-on avec l’étude de faisabilité ?
A.G. : L’étude avance et se situe maintenant à 30%. L’occasion m’est donnée de rappeler aux uns et aux autres, notamment les responsables du développement local, que nous attendons les contributions qui avaient été promises. De toutes les façons, quand le tramway sera en activité, la CICF va verser des redevances à l’image de son rayonnement. Donc, rien n’est perdu.

N.V. : Quelles leçons tirez-vous de la mission que vous avez effectuée récemment auprès de l’Office national des chemins de fer de Rabat ?
A.G. : Le Maroc a fait l’option du développement ferroviaire. Il s’est donné les moyens de réaliser 4 km de voie par mois. La Côte d’Ivoire revendique cent ans de train pour 100 km de voie, soit en moyenne 1 km posé par an. Nous pensons que nous avons pris du retard. Il faut rattraper ce retard. C‘est en cela que l’expérience marocaine peut nous être utile.
Par ailleurs, le Maroc est un pays voisin de l’Europe. Sa population a donc une tradition de train. Le Maroc est également un pays africain. A ce double titre, il était nécessaire pour la CICF de chercher à découvrir l’expérience marocaine. En plus, nous avons appris avec plaisir que l’ONCF est l’une des rares entreprises de chemin de fer à réaliser des bénéfices d’exploitation. Le chiffre d’affaires de l’Office est constitué à 60% de l’exploitation du phosphore. Pour aller d’un point de production à un point d’exportation, le train met peu de temps, et en toute sécurité.
En Côte d’Ivoire, ce ne sont pas les matières premières qui manquent. Grâce au tramway qui, dans sa phase terminale, va couvrir le territoire national, on pourra exporter des produits bord champ, par exemple.

[StormShadow]

I like this city, it has it's crowded skyline, composed of medium buildings, modern structures.

A little flashback if you don't mind me mentioning, I remember I had a computer strategy game for "Sega CD" titled "Third World War" and certain countries were available for a playing role, 2 African one's too, Libya and South Africa. Anyway the "Cote d'Ivoire" was an unplayable state in the game but one could invest or invade or sign certain treaties with the country. I recall invading the capital and I noticed that it had nice buildings, a nice skyline and highway system, it was portrayed quite well in the game if you ask me, and it motivated me to look for images on the net of this city. This is way before high speed connection and SkyScraperCity itself.

[Alloukou]

Crocodile ofodile, take your politics out of here. I will Report your rants to the Site Admin again. But before, let me inform all the people that read your stupid rants.

Gbagbo is the best thing that happened to Ivory Coast since Houphouet's death. Before he took office, your God Allassane Ouattara had emptied the government coffers after just 3 years as prime minister. when Ouattara was leaving, he declared and I quote: "Les caisses de l'Etat sont vides". Translations: "the country is broke".
At the same time, he had become multi-billionnaire in CFA.

Then came Konan Bedie and the disaster continued... by 1997, the World bank, the IFM, all international financial institutions had left Ivory Coast. All banks were closing. Abidjan was falling a part.

Gbagbo was elected in 2000. By October 2002, just under 2 years of effective power, Ivory Coast was rich again. He forced all the foreign companies to pay their taxes. He opened their accounts to see how they were ripping off the country.

And before we knew it, money was flowing in the governement account again; banks started opening again.
For the first time in its short history, Ivory Coast was not dependint on the IMF loan to finance it's economy. Ivory Coast was operating what the then minister of Economy called "budget securise", which means, we'll finance every thing we do, without foreign financial backing.
The french, who never gave the regime Gbagbo to last more than 3 months, were stunned.

The IFM publicly congratulated Gbagbo for a job well done. That's the victory that angered France. Gbagbo declared on national television, in front of the whole country, in English, his now famous: "Cote d'Ivoire is back".
Crocodile Ofodile, that's the short history of Ivory Coast.

But France had not said its last word. It was expecting a Gbagbo failure so that it could place its man, Allassane ouattara in power. As it turned out, Gbagbo had earned the trust of the Ivorians by putting the country back on track. The only response the French came up with was to arm his political opponent Ouattara to overthrow the regime in September 2002. The coup failed, my dear Crocodile Ofodile and the country was split in 2.

The French again predicted that that part of Ivory coast under Gbgbo's control would be bankrupt by December 2002. It didn't happen.

They predicted again that the country would be down on its knees by December 2003. He didn't happen. Just the opposit.

The revenue we lost from Diamond and the gold fields, from cotton farms in the North occupied by the rebels, was replaced by new oil exploration in the South. Oil price was going through the roof in the world, as Ivory Coast had started to join, though in a modest fashion, the class of oil producers. The price of Coffee and cocoa was up. Gbagbo could afford to by war planes, weapon of all kinds to equip the army, while paying the salaries of all gouvernment employees, despite the war. That's a FIRST in Africa. Many war torn african countries cannot pay they employees or conduct any government project.

Despite the war, Gbagbo completed the new Parlement Hotel in Yamoussokro, the new National Assembly and the new presidential palace in Yamoussokro were going up, the highway to reach Yamoussokro was under construction, the new tramway project, and many others initiatives were underway. Again, Crocodile Ofodile, it's a First in Africa.

Crocodile Ofodile, the French could not let Gbagbo work for 5 straight years. Because the French were losing the major construction contracts to the Americans, the Chinese, the Germans, the Italian.
That's why they demonized Gbagbo and attacked his regime just under 2 years after he took office.

But our spirit is strong, despite people like you that sing the rebel songs with their ally France.

I wrote all this to close this chapter. I asked you many times to tell me where to meet you to discuss politics. But you keep butting your ugly head in this photo thread to spew your rebel speeches.

Please stay out of this thread. And stop posting pictures that have already been posted here. Please delete all your posts from MY thread. Thanks.

[Matthias Offodile]

I won´t enlarge on this one because when I would this thread will end up closed again. I have enough articles and links to prove the opposite and many are NON- French reports on the Ivory Coast. These reports were done by American, various African, English and German scientists. Moreover, independent UN statistics all tell different story of your country.

And when it comes to Mr. Gbagbo "fighting the French"...this is just hilarious. Read this, very revealing stuff, the very same Gbagbo is supported by the French international socialist:http://www.lexpress.fr/info/monde/do...asp?ida=358275

I could easily litter this thread full of them. I have uploaded enough material that shows the opposite.

Why do you think that the US has put a ban on certain people in your country? Like Blé Goudé among others...the very same guy that fights French but has a big villa in the South of France, the very same country that he declared war upon..

But you act just like a well paid government politician (just like the ardently blind devoters of Robert Mugabe´s regime that hasn´t woken up to the reliaty on the ground)

Do your really think that French did all this because they lost a fucking bridge and a road contract? The French has lost the port of Dakar to Dubai investors, so do they go about and "destroy" Senegal? in your logic, they should. (The problems in Ivory Coast were long-term and din´t arise in 2002) Furthermore you have to learn a lot about foreign trade and economics, my dear. because a large French department store like Galleries Laffayette has a higher turnover than your entire country.

And when it comes to foreign trade betwen France and Africa, their interest is principally centred around South Africa and Nigeria. read and check statistics carefully and stop telling the crap from "Radio Trechville": http://www.dree.org

Who controls the cocoa, oil sector etc.? French economic interest in the Ivory Coast is on the decline since the early 90´s, so long before Gbagbo came to power.

As for new the parlimant building, it was principally paid by Chinese funds.


....independent reports all point to a different direction!!! I am not short of material.

When you go to the internet forum and read what the people say, they are generally fed up with Gbagbo and "la refondation" has failed miserably.

Anyway, back to the topic!

I even continued with photos but you took up the debate!

So let´s turn the page.

[Alloukou]

Delete your photos... all of them have already been posted here.
And for your rants, your source are all from the same ouattara paid propaganda machines that spread them around the world.
Gbagbo is here because the French faild to take him out. Did you know that the French army shot at the Gbagbo residence to force him outside? No, you don't read all that in your french/ouattara propaganda.
For every source you have, I can cite you 2 that say just the opposit.
And as I said many times, if you want to discuss politics, tell me where to meet you. We can debate Ivory coast and Nigeria all you want.
Now please delete all your pictures and messages from the Gallery.
Thanks.

[Matthias Offodile]

Yes, blablabla, you don´t have to tell me anything because my parent´s friends had to flee Abidjan in 2004! (one was a German lady married to a Nigerian , the other a French lady married to an Ivorian couple the latter lived there for more than 30 years). I am more than well aware of what was and is going on in your country and the biggest lie is your president and his monstruous wife! Belive me, I do hope that durable peace returns to your country.



Let´s close the debate.

For my part I offer you pics now!

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[Matthias Offodile]

Whoahhh Un tramway a abidjan!! En + c'est le citadis qui est à Bordeaux!!
Geniaaaaaaaaaallllll Ca commence quand?, j'ai toujours pensé qu'une ville comme abidjan pouvait avoir un mode de transport moderne qui irait bien avec sa skyline qui est THE BEST OF AFRICA!!!!!

As long as the dictator is still there and relatively peaceful elections haven´t taken place...this project won´t happen. Investors want secirity before ANYTHING lese.

Moi, je desteste Gbagbo de tout mon coeur, j´suis desolé! Il a détruit a appauvrit la belle Côte d´ivoire, le pays de l´Esperance dans une Afrique troublée. Moi, j´espère qu´il va disparaître bientôt de la scène politique mais je le doute. La Côte d´ivoire a besoin d´un Jerry Rawlings pour faire le ménage dans ce pays mérveilleux avec ses gens aimables.

[Alloukou]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

As long as the dictator is still there and relatively peaceful elections haven´t taken place...this project won´t happen. Investors want secirity before ANYTHING lese.

Moi, je desteste Gbagbo de tout mon coeur, j´suis desolé! Il a détruit a appauvrit la belle Côte d´ivoire, le pays de l´Esperance dans une Afrique troublée. Moi, j´espère qu´il va disparaître bientôt de la scène politique mais je le doute. La Côte d´ivoire a besoin d´un Jerry Rawlings pour faire le ménage dans ce pays mérveilleux avec ses gens aimables.

Jealous Crocodile ofodile, please stay out of this thread. We've closed already 2 Ivory Coast photo galleries because of your rant against President Laurent Gbagbo. I have told you many times, if you want to discuss politics, tell me where to meet you. I am ready to talk about your stinking Nigeria.

This is a 'photo only' thread. Please get your stinky ass out of here.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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