NT/DARWIN -#PROJECT: Casaurina Square Expansion (including Myer)

seanoff · October 15th, 2011, 01:37 AM

http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/201...-business.html

In the print version a budget of $220M is mentioned. So a quick and dirty calc makes it about 30,000 m2 in expansion.

Myer + at Cas square would make retail in the city pretty much redundant.

Darwin city will be an office campus, with some restuarants and hotels but no retail. It can't compete now, myer will be the death blow.

Skyline Art · October 15th, 2011, 04:42 AM

What about discount departments? Does Darwin have any major department stores in the city CBD? A big W / Kmart? Or just dominated by Woolies & Coles?

seanoff · October 15th, 2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyline Art

What about discount departments? Does Darwin have any major department stores in the city CBD? A big W / Kmart? Or just dominated by Woolies & Coles?

Big W and Kmart are at Cas with Woolies and Coles. as is Best and Less, JB Hi-fi and a 7 cinema cineplex.

Target is at Palmerston.

the city has a woolies and small coles and a bunch of independent retailers. nearly all of the national brands only exist at Cas.

Holy Frog · October 16th, 2011, 04:26 AM

Including Smiggle....

Darwin city still has ALL the restaurants, 95% of bars, 100% of Nightclubs, 95% of art, 95% of entertainment.

I don't think Myer competes with a lot of the existing retailers in Darwin City who are primarily small and niche.

Although its only an 18 minute drive from Cas to Darwin City, I think focus need to be put into transportation between the City and Cas. Myer has a vested interest in getting the "money" from Darwin City to Cas (all those lawyers and tourists) and a clean safe usable and airconditioned transportation solution should be considered.

I hereby declare again - Skytrain/Monorail between the city and Cas must be built, including the casino and airport. Now is the time. It wont make money for years - but that's ok. This transport is infrastructure that will pay for itself eventually. Maybe I should start building the business case for this thing.

seanoff · October 16th, 2011, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Frog

Including Smiggle....

Darwin city still has ALL the restaurants, 95% of bars, 100% of Nightclubs, 95% of art, 95% of entertainment.

I don't think Myer competes with a lot of the existing retailers in Darwin City who are primarily small and niche.

the retailers wish. Myer carry in volume a lot of the brands and styles that are currently niche in the city.

Attitude carries Ben Sherman, Hugo Boss, Levis etc, all at Myer.
the swimwear shops with Seafolly, Jets, etc all at Myer
nearly all of the shoe shops are looking down the barrel.
the dress shops can't compete on range or likely price.

on top of that. Cas has all the national brands, the city has basically none. Cas has 2 large and one smaller discount department stores and 2 supermarkets + jb hi-fi and the cinemas. it's a pretty full service family shopping and entertainment precinct.

then there is the small matter of a fully airconditioned place with free parking, nobody humbugging you and the threat of a $40 fine if you dare park for 2 minutes longer than your allowance.

retailers in the city are pushing shit up hill with a wide space rake ATM, Myer + will be a death blow. There just won't be any reason for people to go into the city.

***crawf*** · October 16th, 2011, 07:28 AM

I gotta agree with Sean, Myer will do some serious damage to the future of retailing in the city. But meh let's face it, like or not but Casuarina will also be the main retail precinct in Darwin. Target will most likely end up opening a store in the city in the future anyway...

This news however does sound very promising, Darwin rightfully deserves Myer. It's long overdue and there is definitely demand there for an upmarket department store, not to mention this would bring some class to that horrid shopping complex and Darwin itself.

This would also boast the local economy by attracting locals from going interstate or overseas for some decent clothes etc. It's a win win situation for Darwin!

I seriously hope this potential expansion includes an complete refurb of the entire complex, including that horrible bus interchange.

seanoff · October 16th, 2011, 04:34 PM

the above is the smith st mall at 3.15pm Thurs 13 Oct 2011. and apart from lunch this is pretty much how it is.

you'd hope for a few more people than this if you were a retailer in the mall.

jarden · October 17th, 2011, 01:17 PM

Here in Cairns we have a Myer in our Cairns Central mall so gets most of the CBD shoppers, while heaps of shops are now vacant throughtout the city but thats mainly due to the effect of the tourism downturn and not Myer

Holy Frog · October 19th, 2011, 11:58 AM

All good valid points, and I accept Myer will have an impact on retail, but I stand by what I said.

Its important to note that at 3:15pm in Darwin city at his time of year, it is 34 degrees and 80% humidity. I wouldn't want to be there - myer + services or not.

The development of the two new buildings in the mall, plus hopefully someone developing something in the old Woolies site could save the mall imho. If only for the shade....

seanoff · October 20th, 2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Frog

All good valid points, and I accept Myer will have an impact on retail, but I stand by what I said.

Its important to note that at 3:15pm in Darwin city at his time of year, it is 34 degrees and 80% humidity. I wouldn't want to be there - myer + services or not.

The development of the two new buildings in the mall, plus hopefully someone developing something in the old Woolies site could save the mall imho. If only for the shade....

why would Kerry Manolas do anything with that site, he's still getting rent from Woolies for it and what would he build?

the heat is on of the major reasons that the city cannot compete. read up on the effect of West Edmonton Mall on the retail landscape in that city. they have the opposite but essentially similar weather related problem. Why shop in Edmonton city where you have to be outside in -40 and pay for parking when you can park free and find everything you need in a climate controlled environment. sound familiar yet?

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...=A1ARTA0008530

cancerward · November 13th, 2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by seanoff

why would Kerry Manolas do anything with that site, he's still getting rent from Woolies for it and what would he build?

According to the SMH (16 August 1996), the lease will be ending this year?

"Point Piper investor Mr Kerry Manolas keeps his conservative Northern Territory property portfolio to mostly retail.

Last year he paid $6.75 million for the prime Woolworths centre, which had previously traded at $1.78 million in 1971 at the time of the signing of the 40-year lease."

SPQRSPQR · November 15th, 2011, 02:26 PM

Myer is contracting. GPT might implement plan B. That announcement by the Chief Minister on residential development at Casuarina Shopping Square was not his idea! It's just getting it into the public arena to guage opinion; which has been bombastically hostile from the no-nothing public.

jazzboy03 · November 29th, 2011, 11:58 AM

The back page of the latest Shaver Shop catalogue. Notice that it states "MYER" where "Coles" should be -- misprint or has the Shaver Shop jumped the gun? This isn't completely improbable considering that within a 1km radius there are currently two Coles supermarkets and a Woolworths.

wilkiebarkid · November 30th, 2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzboy03

The back page of the latest Shaver Shop catalogue. Notice that it states "MYER" where "Coles" should be -- misprint or has the Shaver Shop jumped the gun? This isn't completely improbable considering that within a 1km radius there are currently two Coles supermarkets and a Woolworths.

I doubt that Coles would leave Casuarina Square. The Casuarina Village Coles supermarket is only small in comparison, and is more like a large convenience store for those that can't be bothered with the hurly burly of a major shopping centre and it's parking merry-go-round!!

Skyline Art · November 30th, 2011, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzboy03

The back page of the latest Shaver Shop catalogue. Notice that it states "MYER" where "Coles" should be -- misprint or has the Shaver Shop jumped the gun? This isn't completely improbable considering that within a 1km radius there are currently two Coles supermarkets and a Woolworths.

From memory, there used to be a Bilo supermarket across the road from the Casuarina Square. Now Bilos have mostly been rebranded to Coles supermarkets, however if there are therefore 2 Coles within close proximity they are left alone as Bilo's or turned into a Target discount department like they did to the old Bilo in Alice Springs. Bilo first turned into Coles then later became Target.

EDIT:
According to Coles website, there are indeed two Coles Supermarkets in Casuarina: with the difference one is open one hour more than the other with a different phone number and map picture location.
And the Northlakes one used to be Bilo too... Now i see it is also a Coles.
results

3 results:

Coles Casuarina

Dripstone Rd & Trower Rd

(08) 8927 9055

Opening Hours
Mon - Sun: 07:00 - 22:00

Coles Casuarina

Cnr Dripstone & Trower Roads

(08) 8927 0200

Opening Hours
Mon - Sun: 07:00 - 21:00

Coles Northlakes

Links Rd & Mcmillans Rd

(08) 8927 8011

Opening Hours
Mon - Sun: 06:00 - 22:00

Seasonal Trading Hours

wilkiebarkid · November 30th, 2011, 11:20 AM

Correct. The Casuarina Village store was a BILO, but I think it will remain a large convenience store rather than be redeveloped as a Target. With Myer going into an expanded CSS, there will be no need for a Target.

Holy Frog · January 9th, 2012, 11:26 AM

Looking at the Google Maps image, kindly provided by seanoff, there's a fair bit of space for few redevelopments around there.

A couple of nice 8 storeys with a 12 storey mixed use on the current Casuarina Community Care Centre site would be good too.

The one thing noticebaly missing in Casuarina is a hotel - I'm sure the Cas retailers would appreciate the help, as I'm sure a small 8 storey hotel or 31/2 star resort could maintain a healthy business there, let alone when Myer arrives.

I still get astounded by all the outdoor carparks, when I look at Darwin google maps.

SPQRSPQR · February 16th, 2012, 02:53 PM

Should Coles Casuarina Shopping Square be worried? Probably not. It's a close shave (shop) but I think it's Kmart that should be worried about Myer.

It seems to me that the best place for a Myer is in and over Kmart with the existing large on-grade carpark next to Woolworths being turned into a multi-storey thing to accommodate the extra parking requirement. I can't see where else it would all fit. The Coles location is too far from the action; it being now a somewhat dead(er) end of the Square. Putting a Myer in the existing on-grade carpark is also wrong as it too is away from the action. No. I think it's Kmart that should be trembling in its box. Myer would then become the heart of the Square.

Skyline Art · June 26th, 2012, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Myer seals deal for Darwin store
From: AAP
June 26, 2012 10:14AM

Retail giant Myer is extending its network to Darwin.

MYER sealed the deal nearly nine months after announcing it was in discussions with the GPT Group on a site in the Casuarina Shopping Centre, in Darwin's northern suburbs.

The new store, occupying 12,000 square metres over two levels, will be the first full-line department store in Darwin, Myer chief executive Bernie Brookes said.

"As we optimise our store network across the country, Darwin is the ideal location for a new store, and will expand our customer base and footprint into the Northern Territory for the first time," he said.

"Darwin is a region of significant economic growth, and the community support for the addition of a Myer store has been tremendous."

GPT spokeswoman Samantha Taranto said the centre would undergo significant redevelopment before the Myer opened in 2016.

"Having Myer on board means we can really start to ramp up the design of the development," she said.

About a year ago GPT announced it would spend $250 million to redevelop the Casuarina Shopping Centre but Ms Taranto said that figure would be updated when development approvals were sought.

The Northern Territory government, which has been lobbying Myer to open the store, hailed the decision as a vote of confidence in the territory's growth opportunities.

The retailer will also open new stores in Fountain Gate in Victoria and Townsville in Queensland later this year.

SOURCE

Burden · June 26th, 2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyline Art

SOURCE

Still years away according to the NT news, late 2016

October 15th, 2011, 01:37 AM	#1
seanoff Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 151 Likes (Received): 4	NT/DARWIN -#PROJECT: Casaurina Square Expansion (including Myer) http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/201...-business.html In the print version a budget of $220M is mentioned. So a quick and dirty calc makes it about 30,000 m2 in expansion. Myer + at Cas square would make retail in the city pretty much redundant. Darwin city will be an office campus, with some restuarants and hotels but no retail. It can't compete now, myer will be the death blow. Last edited by seanoff; October 15th, 2011 at 07:58 AM.

February 16th, 2012, 02:53 PM	#18
SPQRSPQR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 198 Likes (Received): 0	Should Coles Casuarina Shopping Square be worried? Probably not. It's a close shave (shop) but I think it's Kmart that should be worried about Myer. It seems to me that the best place for a Myer is in and over Kmart with the existing large on-grade carpark next to Woolworths being turned into a multi-storey thing to accommodate the extra parking requirement. I can't see where else it would all fit. The Coles location is too far from the action; it being now a somewhat dead(er) end of the Square. Putting a Myer in the existing on-grade carpark is also wrong as it too is away from the action. No. I think it's Kmart that should be trembling in its box. Myer would then become the heart of the Square. Last edited by SPQRSPQR; February 16th, 2012 at 03:01 PM.

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October 15th, 2011, 04:42 AM	#2
Skyline Art I fly a bluebox WHO am I? Join Date: May 2008 Location: The river city Posts: 2,745 Likes (Received): 52	What about discount departments? Does Darwin have any major department stores in the city CBD? A big W / Kmart? Or just dominated by Woolies & Coles?

October 16th, 2011, 04:26 AM	#4
Holy Frog Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Darwin Posts: 188 Likes (Received): 6	Including Smiggle.... Darwin city still has ALL the restaurants, 95% of bars, 100% of Nightclubs, 95% of art, 95% of entertainment. I don't think Myer competes with a lot of the existing retailers in Darwin City who are primarily small and niche. Although its only an 18 minute drive from Cas to Darwin City, I think focus need to be put into transportation between the City and Cas. Myer has a vested interest in getting the "money" from Darwin City to Cas (all those lawyers and tourists) and a clean safe usable and airconditioned transportation solution should be considered. I hereby declare again - Skytrain/Monorail between the city and Cas must be built, including the casino and airport. Now is the time. It wont make money for years - but that's ok. This transport is infrastructure that will pay for itself eventually. Maybe I should start building the business case for this thing.

October 16th, 2011, 07:28 AM	#6
*crawf* © Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Adelaide Posts: 5,127 Likes (Received): 19	I gotta agree with Sean, Myer will do some serious damage to the future of retailing in the city. But meh let's face it, like or not but Casuarina will also be the main retail precinct in Darwin. Target will most likely end up opening a store in the city in the future anyway... This news however does sound very promising, Darwin rightfully deserves Myer. It's long overdue and there is definitely demand there for an upmarket department store, not to mention this would bring some class to that horrid shopping complex and Darwin itself. This would also boast the local economy by attracting locals from going interstate or overseas for some decent clothes etc. It's a win win situation for Darwin! I seriously hope this potential expansion includes an complete refurb of the entire complex, including that horrible bus interchange.

October 16th, 2011, 04:34 PM	#7
seanoff Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 151 Likes (Received): 4	the above is the smith st mall at 3.15pm Thurs 13 Oct 2011. and apart from lunch this is pretty much how it is. you'd hope for a few more people than this if you were a retailer in the mall.

October 17th, 2011, 01:17 PM	#8
jarden Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cairns and Christchurch Posts: 2,525 Likes (Received): 16	Here in Cairns we have a Myer in our Cairns Central mall so gets most of the CBD shoppers, while heaps of shops are now vacant throughtout the city but thats mainly due to the effect of the tourism downturn and not Myer

October 19th, 2011, 11:58 AM	#9
Holy Frog Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Darwin Posts: 188 Likes (Received): 6	All good valid points, and I accept Myer will have an impact on retail, but I stand by what I said. Its important to note that at 3:15pm in Darwin city at his time of year, it is 34 degrees and 80% humidity. I wouldn't want to be there - myer + services or not. The development of the two new buildings in the mall, plus hopefully someone developing something in the old Woolies site could save the mall imho. If only for the shade....

November 15th, 2011, 02:26 PM	#12
SPQRSPQR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 198 Likes (Received): 0	Myer is contracting. GPT might implement plan B. That announcement by the Chief Minister on residential development at Casuarina Shopping Square was not his idea! It's just getting it into the public arena to guage opinion; which has been bombastically hostile from the no-nothing public.

November 29th, 2011, 11:58 AM	#13
jazzboy03 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3 Likes (Received): 0	The back page of the latest Shaver Shop catalogue. Notice that it states "MYER" where "Coles" should be -- misprint or has the Shaver Shop jumped the gun? This isn't completely improbable considering that within a 1km radius there are currently two Coles supermarkets and a Woolworths.

November 30th, 2011, 11:20 AM	#16
wilkiebarkid Beautiful Mountain Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Adelaide Posts: 378 Likes (Received): 13	Correct. The Casuarina Village store was a BILO, but I think it will remain a large convenience store rather than be redeveloped as a Target. With Myer going into an expanded CSS, there will be no need for a Target.

January 9th, 2012, 11:26 AM	#17
Holy Frog Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Darwin Posts: 188 Likes (Received): 6	Looking at the Google Maps image, kindly provided by seanoff, there's a fair bit of space for few redevelopments around there. A couple of nice 8 storeys with a 12 storey mixed use on the current Casuarina Community Care Centre site would be good too. The one thing noticebaly missing in Casuarina is a hotel - I'm sure the Cas retailers would appreciate the help, as I'm sure a small 8 storey hotel or 31/2 star resort could maintain a healthy business there, let alone when Myer arrives. I still get astounded by all the outdoor carparks, when I look at Darwin google maps.