Why is the Titanic being "celebrated" so much?

[odlum833]

First of all the Titanic Belfast development is marvellous we all agree and a fantastic architectural statement and a wonderful addition to a great city. This is not about that. That's separate.

What I am wondering is does anyone else think the "celebrations" are verging on being, well, a little crass?


Check this out:

event: MTV Presents Titanic Sounds
date: Friday, 13 April 2012
location: The Slipways, Titanic Belfast
tickets: sold out

Fresh from bringing Belfast `the biggest party in the world` with the incredible EMA, MTV is returning in April for another blistering night. Once again shining the global spotlight on our city, MTV will be staging a dynamite night of live music against the stunning backdrop of the Slipways."

Fair enough...only there was an MTV event only a couple of months back IIRC. Which is fine. We all like to see events like these in our cities. And there are many other events taking place around Britain and Ireland too. Many of them on the silly side.

However, just my opinion, it is important to remember that alot of people actually did suffer awful deaths in this disaster. But that seems to be missing in the fog of euphoria surrounding the achievement of building this ship that sank.

There seems to be little commemoration and alot of celebration.

It's funny too this is probably the only part of the planet where a ship that sank would be celebrated.

Anyway just my 2 cents. Enjoy the party!

[belfastuniguy]

Wrong, it's a mixture of events. The dead have not been ignored or brushed aside in the slightest.

Belfast will also be unveiling the first memorial in the world that lists every single person that died on that night when the new memorial garden is opened at City Hall. We will have a requiem service at St Anne's Cathedral in remembrance of the dead. Those events are in addition to plays, classical music concert that commemorate the dead.

The Festival encompasses a broad range of events not just a light show, fireworks and an MTV concert.


It's also not just about one ship but the Titanic Belfast attraction has a wonderful exhibit that celebrates that industrial heritage of what was THE world centre for ship building, linen, ropework, tobacco and one of the most important engineering cities of the world and of vital importance to the British Empire.


The rest of the world has been making money from Titanic for decades, it's about the city that designed and build her, along with some of the most famous ships in the world take ownership of her and celebrate the remarkable engineering achieve the Olympic Class ships were. No other place in the world offers someone the chance to stand on the very spot the ships were built, touch the keel stone they rested on and explore the dry dock where they were fitted out.

[Boba Fett22]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

The rest of the world has been making money from Titanic for decades

True.

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

They have plans for a maritime gallery that will showcase the broader contribution that Belfast made to shipbuilding. I also foresee the Harland & Wolff Drawing Offices being restored and that being used to educate the public and tourists about the history of the yard and the thousands of ships it built.

Good.

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

Belfast will also be unveiling the first memorial in the world that lists every single person that died on that night when the new memorial garden is opened at City Hall. We will have a requiem service at St Anne's Cathedral in remembrance of the dead. Those events are in addition to plays, classical music concert that commemorate the dead.

I didn't know that.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by Boba Fett22

I didn't know that.

Yeah I'm going to a few of the events, only right we remember the people that died.

The Requiem at St Anne's is on the 14th of April and the new memorial garden is being dedicated on 15th April at 9am

[Boba Fett22]

I heard somewhere that they actually considered the morality of celebrating a ship in which people died.

Perhaps they should pay more attention to that, I know.

I'm not sure if the project will break even, but the fact is many people both in and outside Belfast are interested in Titanic mainly BECAUSE it sank.

I wish they also told people about the ships built in Belfast that did NOT sink. But I suspect most people outside Belfast are not interested in that.

She probably wasn't a perfect ship ( I read that she was built in a rushed fashion) and I know people died, but a lot of people here love her.

Edit: It's odd that Olympic, her sister ship, was nicknamed "Old reliable" and never sank but yet she is hardly celebrated, yet Titanic gets a memorial to it that is twice the size of our city hall.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by Boba Fett22

I heard somewhere that they actually considered the morality of celebrating a ship in which people died.

Perhaps they should pay more attention to that, I know.

I'm not sure if the project will break even, but the fact is many people both in and outside Belfast are interested in Titanic mainly BECAUSE it sank.

I wish they also told people about the ships built in Belfast that did NOT sink. But I suspect most people outside Belfast are not interested.

She probably wasn't a perfect ship ( I read that she was built in a rushed fashion) and I know people died, but a lot of people here love her.

They have plans for a maritime gallery that will showcase the broader contribution that Belfast made to shipbuilding. I also foresee the Harland & Wolff Drawing Offices being restored and that being used to educate the public and tourists about the history of the yard and the thousands of ships it built.

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by Boba Fett22

I'm not sure if the project will break even, but the fact is many people both in and outside Belfast are interested in Titanic mainly BECAUSE it sank.

The ship was fine when it left Belfast, then the English officers took over

[ill tonkso]

Originally Posted by odlum833

The ship was fine when it left Belfast, then the English officers took over

Troll comment is Trolling.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by odlum833

The ship was fine when it left Belfast, then the English officers took over

The Irish said it was unsinkable. It sank.

The Titanic was conceived in Liverpool and built by a Liverpool company for mainly operating out of Liverpool. Over half the crew were from Liverpool, including the famous bands that kept playing. The ship left on it first voyage with passengers from Southampton with large a compliment of the crew from that city.

[JD47]

Originally Posted by George Bramwell

The Irish said it was unsinkable. It sank.

The Titanic was conceived in Liverpool and built by a Liverpool company for mainly operating out of Liverpool. Over half the crew were from Liverpool, including the famous bands that kept playing. The ship left on it first voyage with passengers from Southampton with large a compliment of the crew from that city.

Its an Irish ship. It was built on our shores.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by JD47

Its an Irish ship. It was built on our shores.

Titanic was commissioned by a Liverpool company. The ship was conceived in Liverpool at the White Star offices at Albion House which still exists. Harland & Wolf was partly owned White Star hence why all White Star ships were built there. Wolf was a German.

The Irish said it was unsinkable. The Scousers never.

[Boba Fett22]

Originally Posted by George Bramwell

The Irish said it was unsinkable.

Apparently that's a myth.

At the very least it's a generalisation.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by George Bramwell

The Irish said it was unsinkable. It sank.

The Titanic was conceived in Liverpool and built by a Liverpool company for mainly operating out of Liverpool. Over half the crew were from Liverpool, including the famous bands that kept playing. The ship left on it first voyage with passengers from Southampton with large a compliment of the crew from that city.

LOL oh dear....someone is a bit clueless...

Actually it was designed in Belfast, built in Belfast by an Irish company FOR a company based in Liverpool, just as every ship of the WSL was built in Belfast.

The WSL didn't 'build' ships, hence using a shipyard, secondly the unsinkable line was actually never stated by anyone connected with the ship.


As for the crew, the VAST majority were from Southampton. As for the Ship's orchestra, only one member was from Liverpool and he played the Bass. So just shows how little you really know and are indeed talking shit.

[Black Cat]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

LOL oh dear....someone is a bit clueless...

Actually it was designed in Belfast, built in Belfast by an Irish company FOR a company based in Liverpool, just as every ship of the WSL was built in Belfast.

The WSL didn't 'build' ships, hence using a shipyard, secondly the unsinkable line was actually never stated by anyone connected with the ship..

WSL was itself owned by International Mercantile Marine Co, a US company managed by JP Morgan, who financed the Titanic and its two sister ships to try to drive Cunard out of the transatlantic liner business and thereby corner the market. The unfortunate sinking of the Titanic ended this grand plan. Although the ship was nominally owned by WSL and sailed under the British flag, it was in fact US financed and owned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tile_Marine_Co.

[George Bramwell]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

Actually it was designed in Belfast, built in Belfast by an Irish company FOR a company based in Liverpool, just as every ship of the WSL was built in Belfast.

You are clueless. H&W were owned by Liverpool company White Star

"Under the new White Star Line ownership, Harland and Wolff received its first vessel construction orders on July 30, 1869. On August 20, 1870,"

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/History_WSL.htm

As for the crew, the VAST majority were from LIVERPOOL. The long corridor in the crews quarters was nicknamed "Scotland Road"

The Ship's orchestra, was hired by Blacks a Liverpool company.

You are clueless.

[Onoudidnt]

I find all the hype quite amusing....
Is the whole 'ni 2012' campaign just based around Titanic? I would've thought 2012 would be more about the Olympics in London to be honest.
Titanic was built in Belfast. Great. Get over it!

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by Onoudidnt

I find all the hype quite amusing....
Is the whole 'ni 2012' campaign just based around Titanic? I would've thought 2012 would be more about the Olympics in London to be honest.
Titanic was built in Belfast. Great. Get over it!

Bet if Dublin built it you wouldn't saying get over it lol

No...NI 2012 is about several large events this year;

• The Titanic Festival
• UK City of Culture Derry-Londonderry
• Opening of the Giant’s Causeway Visitor Centre
• Opening of The MAC
• Olympic & Paralympic Games 2012 Torch Relay
• Centenary of Titanic’s Maiden Voyage
• Arrival of Clipper Round the World Yacht Race to Derry-Londonderry
• 50th Belfast Festival at Queen’s
• Irish Open, Royal Portrush
• Land of Giants
  

Loads happening this year up here, you should visit

[odlum833]

If Dublin built it it wouldn't have sank.

Also if Dublin had built it it would make Dublin similar to many post industrialised cities in Britain where all those hard industries have left instead of the commercial city it is.

Have to say I agree there is no need for advertising tourism for cities on the Island of Ireland.....I mean seriously - who has not been to Dublin or Belfast!? Complete waste of money. Foreign advertising is essential of course but not internal advertising.

[belfastuniguy]

Originally Posted by odlum833

If Dublin built it it wouldn't have sank.

Also if Dublin had built it it would make Dublin similar to many post industrialised in Britain where all those hard industries have left instead of the commercial city it is.

Have to say I agree there is no need for advertising tourism for cities on the Island of Ireland.....I mean seriously - who has not been to Dublin or Belfast!? Complete waste of money. Foreign advertising is essential of course but not internal advertising.

I heard lots of southerns at the centre today. Number of Irish license plates around Belfast this past week reminds me of the good old days when you had money and came up to shop in Belfast

So the advertising is working. We are advertising internationally, the variety of foreign tourists here this week has been fantastic.

[odlum833]

Originally Posted by belfastuniguy

I heard lots of southerns at the centre today. Number of Irish license plates around Belfast this past week reminds me of the good old days when you had money and came up to shop in Belfast

So the advertising is working. We are advertising internationally, the variety of foreign tourists here this week has been fantastic.

lol - what does a "southerner" sound like? Do you know we eat our children here and live in bee hive huts? And you should be happy to see money being spent regardless of where anyone comes from.

As for the issue there is a point about this Titanic thing that it is over the top. Some restaurants in Cork are selling the full 8 course meal the 1st class passengers got ffs so it's not only in the North.

And, no, there is absolutely no need to be advertising for tourists within the Island of Ireland IMO.