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Old January 26th, 2006, 08:22 PM   #1
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Riverside Museum, Glasgow | £74m | Zaha Hadid | Completed

did anyone else read in today's architects journal that allies and morrison have been brought in to deliver hadid's architecture foundation building.?

hadid will have a design role of sorts but a+m will be taking over the commission, which is now over budget and programme according to the aj.

goodness what does that say about her ability to deliver the transport museum, I wonder? the architecture foundation building is small beer in comparison at 2.5 million
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Old January 26th, 2006, 09:02 PM   #2
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There was story in the ET a couple of days ago about cost increase.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5048188.html

Costs of new transport museum spiral by £10m
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Old January 26th, 2006, 09:31 PM   #3
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.................guess that's ok then. who will the council draft in if it gets out of hand , keppies maybe?
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Old January 26th, 2006, 10:04 PM   #4
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I see from the Newspaper article that they are already looking for 8 million pounds to come from public donations.

Personally i thought the Gareth Hoskins proposals were superb.

Maybe a case of the Council saying we better be seen to be trendy and get a Zaha Hadid building.

The costs will spiral upwards, the Construction Industry is getting busier all the time, Contractors and Sub Contractors can pick and choose and prices are going up.

If it is not fully detailed as it could be when it goes out to tender as appears to the case on a few Hadid job's then it could become a bigger financial problem for the City.
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Old January 26th, 2006, 11:18 PM   #5
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Gareth Hoskins entry would have been a better and more interesting build i feel as well, maybe i am jumping the gun but it seems a lot more Riveresque than the Zaha entry.. maybe once the build starts to happen i may change my mind but from the renders seen up till now it seems far too radical for the river front as are her other museums around the world.

Anybody any renders of the Fosters entry ? i dont think they were ever published.



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Old January 27th, 2006, 01:31 AM   #6
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I attended the lecture Zaha held in the Raddison for Block architecture week and when it came to the Transport Museum she didn't really seem to care about it much. With the resposibility of it handed to someone else in the office, she also didn't seem to have much knowlege of it compared to her trendier London builds.

When it came to looking at the drawings, none of them contained any context of the buildings contents (i.e. transport or people) except one fleeting plan with exhibits in place which looked like there was no space left for people.

Hoskins' proposal would have been a much more viable option with the building designed around the exhibits. Rather than Zaha's, with exhibits designed round a silly squiggly line!
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Old January 27th, 2006, 10:46 AM   #7
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unfortunatley it's not about architecture, and sadly big name architects are a valuable pr currency for a city which has ambition to exchange.

Last year, as part of a business delegation that visited Chicago, I listened to the Lord Provost describing the regeneration of Glasgow to a group of about one hundred Chicago Business men and women. They oooooed and aaaaaaaaed, when she told them that the city was soon to have projects by Foster, Rogers and Hadid.

Gave the city instant credibility, without anyone knowing or really caring what the design was like.... unlike a museum by Garteth Hoskins would or a bridge by gm+ad could
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Old January 27th, 2006, 11:01 AM   #8
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I suppose Hadid's building will look good if you are a seagull. Or in a helicopter or up the Science Centre Tower....when it's working.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 05:49 PM   #9
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.................guess that's ok then. who will the council draft in if it gets out of hand , keppies maybe?

Has Keppies got any major projects going on in the city Alan you seem to bring their name up quite often ... or is it a personal thing ?

They dont seem to have a website either... hmm i wonder.
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Old January 27th, 2006, 08:39 PM   #10
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any major projects? yes, unfortunately.
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Old January 28th, 2006, 01:46 AM   #11
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They oooooed and aaaaaaaaed, when she told them that the city was soon to have projects by Foster, Rogers and Hadid.
Arrrgh!!!!! But sadly entirely predictable...

Very very depressing reading this thread especially tony towers post (much appreciated BTW even if it is bad tidings).

Imagine being given the opportunity to build one of a city's major buildings and then apparently not giving a toss about it. Why, say, does Cincinatti deserve better treatment than us? This is going a long way towards realising my worst fears about the outcome of this. Obviously despite her la la la isn't Glasgow great for clubbing speil Ms Hadid doesn't feel she has anything to prove here. Hopefully the embrassment of the architecture foundation debacle will convince her that she still has her reputation to consider and so will shift up a gear. Pigs might fly though....
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Old January 28th, 2006, 02:04 AM   #12
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Keppie Design.

They're doing 145 St Vincent Street and Park Lane's Lancefield Quay.

They've done 200 Broomielaw and Central Exchange.

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I loved the rich colour and texture of Gareth Hoskins afforded by the bronze, but much prefer Zaha's design even if its curves are stretching the budget.
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oh my goodness, who's that lurking at the back , on the right,with the pink shirt and grey tie........can't be can it?

no not mackintosh surprisingly but non the less amazing!
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Old January 29th, 2006, 01:26 PM   #14
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To be fair, that portofolio on Keppie's website ain't too bad at all.

I didn't know they did the Overgate in Dundee - not a bad city shopping centre - far more interesting (although much smaller) than our Buchanan Galleries...

So why the grumblings, Alan?
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Old January 29th, 2006, 02:38 PM   #15
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It's all subjective, matter of taste and all that at the end of the day, is it not? That is which buildings you think are Architecturally pleasing and which are not so.

I've built a few things out for Keppie's over the years with different Contractors, i think they are big on the function of the buildings they do for clients and i recall they were good at getting the details right first time.

Although most of their stuff is built with a quality spec (apart from schools) it can seem a wee bit bland. I like bits of (front elevation) of 200 Broomielaw.

If you did not know beforehand that Keppie was the Architect on a particular building would you be able to identify their style or more to the point be interested enough in finding out?
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or more to the point be interested enough in finding out?
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Old February 2nd, 2006, 02:09 AM   #17
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Hadids Maggie Centre.

http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co....d_kircaldy.htm




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Thats shite.

I could have done that.

Could have coloured in the model aswell.....
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True, but could you also come up with the requisite BS to back it up?
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True, but could you also come up with the requisite BS to back it up?
Hahaha

Alas nay - only architects can do that - I am but a man, afterall
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