Metronet plans Canary Wharf-Aldgate Tube link

london lad · April 13th, 2006, 11:52 AM

Metronet plans Canary Wharf-Aldgate Tube link

Metronet boss Andrew Lezala says only about a mile of tunnelling would be required for City link.

13 April, 2006

Tube operator Metronet is to enter talks with London Underground over plans to provide a Tube link between Aldgate station on the Circle and Metropolitan lines and Canary Wharf station on the Jubilee Line.

Andrew Lezala, Metronet chief executive, said there was a big opportunity to create another link on the network and provide better access to Canary Wharf.

He said the link would not be a massive challenge, as it would need only a limited amount of work. He said: "We are only talking about a mile or so of tunnelling."

The rationale behind creating another outlet to Canary Wharf is that the Tube is expected to face large increases in passenger numbers in the coming years, a factor that will be exacerbated by the Olympics.

Lezala said he also supported plans for the £10bn Crossrail scheme, which would connect east and west London, and is currently before parliament.

He added: "But if we're talking blue-sky thinking, there is also a need for a north-south link to complement this. That is the great challenge."

In a separate development, following pay negotiations with representatives of its 5000 workforce, Metronet confirmed that every employee was to receive a bonus.

nick_taylor · April 13th, 2006, 02:19 PM

Sounds pretty interesting...but wonder the route would be and what would there be any new stations?

DarJoLe · April 13th, 2006, 02:54 PM

Why on earth is this needed when Crossrail will go Isle Of Dogs to Whitechapel in one fell swoop?

Zim Flyer · April 13th, 2006, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

Why on earth is this needed when Crossrail will go Isle Of Dogs to Whitechapel in one fell swoop?

They probably recognise Crossrail will never happen, so thought they would push for something themselves.

DarJoLe · April 13th, 2006, 04:07 PM

Where are people getting this idea Crossrail will never happen? It seems to be getting all planned up for construction by the looks of it.

Zim Flyer · April 13th, 2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

Where are people getting this idea Crossrail will never happen? It seems to be getting all planned up for construction by the looks of it.

After following the Light Rail fiasco in the UK over the last few years "getting all planned up for construction" means nothing. Liverpool even had the track delivered before the government changed it's mind.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it built Darjole, but under Alistair Darling I have no confidence.

sarflonlad · April 13th, 2006, 04:29 PM

Crossrail is such an ancient idea - hence the scepticism about it happening. Though personally I think it will but not no doubt something will be cut short in it.

This new links sounds Waterloo & City line-esq. Who knows what will come of it though. The proposed 'Canaryloo' turned in to a reconfiguration of the Jubilee Line Extension.

Anything that increases capacity should be welcomed. Given that Crossrail 'will go Isle Of Dogs to Whitechapel in one fell swoop' then great, but why not have additional capacity and alternative destination points to the isle of dogs?

Cabman · April 13th, 2006, 05:56 PM

Whatever happens to crossrail, Canary Wharf will still need additional rail capacity. Any secondary schemes are most welcome. There are doubts that even crossrail won't be enough for future capacity on the Isle of Dogs. Maybe any branch line could go to Wood Wharf.

nick_taylor · April 13th, 2006, 06:17 PM

I think what this will be is not necessarily a competitor to Crossrail, but a shuttle between the Square Mile and Canary Wharf. It'd probably be non-stop and be quick, a bit like the current Waterloo & City Line. Personaly I welcome that because it would mean more of the Crossrail traffic could be divided more equally in the east as a shuttle would essentially be built to cater for these journies.

Irish Blood English Heart · April 13th, 2006, 06:22 PM

Wont it just be an extension to the Metropolitan line?

NothingBetterToDo · April 13th, 2006, 07:17 PM

i think its a great idea......anything to increase capacity and transport links to canary wharf should be welcomed.

This link and crossrail will live harmoniously...............the more transport links the better

sweek · April 13th, 2006, 07:32 PM

Wondering what they are thinking of exactly.
It could be a metropolitan line extension, with a stop at Shadwell maybe.
But it could also be part of the DLR. Looking at the map, it seems quite possible to extend the Tower Hill branch to Aldgate, or make a new line branching off between Tower Hill and Shadwell.

Rational Plan · April 13th, 2006, 09:27 PM

I would guess that they are talking about a branch from the District line at Mile End. That is closet point to the old tube network, isn't it? That way the Hammersmith city line or Metropolitan could divert southwards to the Wharf. This would simultaneously relieve pressure on the DLR. The only thing is there much spare capacity along this route?

Irish Blood English Heart · April 13th, 2006, 09:39 PM

The Metropolitan line finishes at Aldgate, all theyd need to do is run the trains on a little bit longer.

samsonyuen · April 13th, 2006, 09:58 PM

Hmm...interesting. I think it'd be great to have another option from Isle of Dogs to the City. Tubeman would know more! I think he's said that there could be reconfiguration taking place, so that the Hammersmith & City line ends at Aldgate, and the Metropolitan line extends east instead, because it has longer trains. I think it would make sense to have the H&C line go south to Canary Wharf in that case.

JDRS · April 13th, 2006, 10:59 PM

As someone said the more transport links the better so if this and crossrail get built than it means extra capacity at least. An extension of the Metropolitan line is probably the best option I'd assume or maybe they'd have a single stop-to-stop line like the Waterloo and City? Also is there the option for it to go to Wood Wharf. That would be good for the residents living there when it's finally built.

On a side note when will all the weekend work stop between Baker Street and Aldgate? Anyone?

Rational Plan · April 13th, 2006, 11:11 PM

Any chance to a link on that story as I can't find it anywhere?

Blindfold · April 14th, 2006, 05:50 AM

An extension of the Metropolitan Line from Aldgate sounds sensible but the trains are standard train size - not tubes size and the Met Line is cut and cover, not bored tunnel. This would mean a very expensive proposal either way you look at it.

When I saw the title of this thread my brain thought of Aldwych, not Aldgate. Now that would be nice!

DonQui · April 14th, 2006, 05:58 AM

Metronet, wasn't that one of the names of one of those futuristic know-it-all, see-it-all, Big-Brother firms in movies like "Total Recall?"

nick_taylor · April 14th, 2006, 10:37 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronet

London needs more shuttle service lines. I've personally always seen that the Waterloo & City should be extended to Liverpool Street, while another one between Euston & King's Cross St Pancras would be pretty intelligent.

April 13th, 2006, 11:52 AM	#1
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	Metronet plans Canary Wharf-Aldgate Tube link Metronet plans Canary Wharf-Aldgate Tube link Metronet boss Andrew Lezala says only about a mile of tunnelling would be required for City link. 13 April, 2006 Tube operator Metronet is to enter talks with London Underground over plans to provide a Tube link between Aldgate station on the Circle and Metropolitan lines and Canary Wharf station on the Jubilee Line. Andrew Lezala, Metronet chief executive, said there was a big opportunity to create another link on the network and provide better access to Canary Wharf. He said the link would not be a massive challenge, as it would need only a limited amount of work. He said: "We are only talking about a mile or so of tunnelling." The rationale behind creating another outlet to Canary Wharf is that the Tube is expected to face large increases in passenger numbers in the coming years, a factor that will be exacerbated by the Olympics. Lezala said he also supported plans for the £10bn Crossrail scheme, which would connect east and west London, and is currently before parliament. He added: "But if we're talking blue-sky thinking, there is also a need for a north-south link to complement this. That is the great challenge." In a separate development, following pay negotiations with representatives of its 5000 workforce, Metronet confirmed that every employee was to receive a bonus.

April 13th, 2006, 05:56 PM	#8
Cabman Do A Little Dance Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,506 Likes (Received): 3	Whatever happens to crossrail, Canary Wharf will still need additional rail capacity. Any secondary schemes are most welcome. There are doubts that even crossrail won't be enough for future capacity on the Isle of Dogs. Maybe any branch line could go to Wood Wharf. __________________ http://www.fctorrevieja.com/TORRY ARMY

April 13th, 2006, 07:17 PM	#11
NothingBetterToDo Better To Do Nothing Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 10,536 Likes (Received): 1	i think its a great idea......anything to increase capacity and transport links to canary wharf should be welcomed. This link and crossrail will live harmoniously...............the more transport links the better __________________ My Pictures: London - Amsterdam - Copenhagen - Berlin - Oslo - Bergen - Prague - Dublin

April 13th, 2006, 09:27 PM	#13
Rational Plan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Slough Posts: 2,785 Likes (Received): 52	I would guess that they are talking about a branch from the District line at Mile End. That is closet point to the old tube network, isn't it? That way the Hammersmith city line or Metropolitan could divert southwards to the Wharf. This would simultaneously relieve pressure on the DLR. The only thing is there much spare capacity along this route? Last edited by Rational Plan; April 14th, 2006 at 10:32 AM.

April 14th, 2006, 05:50 AM	#18
Blindfold I said love, I said pet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perthonality & Brixtonite Posts: 1,300 Likes (Received): 3	An extension of the Metropolitan Line from Aldgate sounds sensible but the trains are standard train size - not tubes size and the Met Line is cut and cover, not bored tunnel. This would mean a very expensive proposal either way you look at it. When I saw the title of this thread my brain thought of Aldwych, not Aldgate. Now that would be nice! __________________ This world spins, but not for YOU!

April 13th, 2006, 02:19 PM	#2
nick_taylor BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portsmouth (term time); Bishop's Stortford (out of term time) Posts: 1,908 Likes (Received): 0	Sounds pretty interesting...but wonder the route would be and what would there be any new stations?

April 13th, 2006, 02:54 PM	#3
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,662 Likes (Received): 392	Why on earth is this needed when Crossrail will go Isle Of Dogs to Whitechapel in one fell swoop?

April 13th, 2006, 04:07 PM	#5
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,662 Likes (Received): 392	Where are people getting this idea Crossrail will never happen? It seems to be getting all planned up for construction by the looks of it.

April 13th, 2006, 04:29 PM	#7
sarflonlad Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,134 Likes (Received): 10	Crossrail is such an ancient idea - hence the scepticism about it happening. Though personally I think it will but not no doubt something will be cut short in it. This new links sounds Waterloo & City line-esq. Who knows what will come of it though. The proposed 'Canaryloo' turned in to a reconfiguration of the Jubilee Line Extension. Anything that increases capacity should be welcomed. Given that Crossrail 'will go Isle Of Dogs to Whitechapel in one fell swoop' then great, but why not have additional capacity and alternative destination points to the isle of dogs?

April 13th, 2006, 06:17 PM	#9
nick_taylor BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portsmouth (term time); Bishop's Stortford (out of term time) Posts: 1,908 Likes (Received): 0	I think what this will be is not necessarily a competitor to Crossrail, but a shuttle between the Square Mile and Canary Wharf. It'd probably be non-stop and be quick, a bit like the current Waterloo & City Line. Personaly I welcome that because it would mean more of the Crossrail traffic could be divided more equally in the east as a shuttle would essentially be built to cater for these journies.

April 13th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#10
Irish Blood English Heart Letting off the happiness Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,277 Likes (Received): 34	Wont it just be an extension to the Metropolitan line?

April 13th, 2006, 07:32 PM	#12
sweek Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London NW1 Posts: 1,727 Likes (Received): 0	Wondering what they are thinking of exactly. It could be a metropolitan line extension, with a stop at Shadwell maybe. But it could also be part of the DLR. Looking at the map, it seems quite possible to extend the Tower Hill branch to Aldgate, or make a new line branching off between Tower Hill and Shadwell.

April 13th, 2006, 09:39 PM	#14
Irish Blood English Heart Letting off the happiness Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,277 Likes (Received): 34	The Metropolitan line finishes at Aldgate, all theyd need to do is run the trains on a little bit longer.

April 13th, 2006, 09:58 PM	#15
samsonyuen SSLL Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canary Wharf > CityPlace Posts: 8,534 Likes (Received): 0	Hmm...interesting. I think it'd be great to have another option from Isle of Dogs to the City. Tubeman would know more! I think he's said that there could be reconfiguration taking place, so that the Hammersmith & City line ends at Aldgate, and the Metropolitan line extends east instead, because it has longer trains. I think it would make sense to have the H&C line go south to Canary Wharf in that case.

April 13th, 2006, 10:59 PM	#16
JDRS Against ID Cards Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,823 Likes (Received): 0	As someone said the more transport links the better so if this and crossrail get built than it means extra capacity at least. An extension of the Metropolitan line is probably the best option I'd assume or maybe they'd have a single stop-to-stop line like the Waterloo and City? Also is there the option for it to go to Wood Wharf. That would be good for the residents living there when it's finally built. On a side note when will all the weekend work stop between Baker Street and Aldgate? Anyone?

April 13th, 2006, 11:11 PM	#17
Rational Plan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Slough Posts: 2,785 Likes (Received): 52	Any chance to a link on that story as I can't find it anywhere?

April 14th, 2006, 05:58 AM	#19
DonQui BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Free City-State of New York Posts: 6,208 Likes (Received): 0	Metronet, wasn't that one of the names of one of those futuristic know-it-all, see-it-all, Big-Brother firms in movies like "Total Recall?"

April 14th, 2006, 10:37 AM	#20
nick_taylor BANNED Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Portsmouth (term time); Bishop's Stortford (out of term time) Posts: 1,908 Likes (Received): 0	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronet London needs more shuttle service lines. I've personally always seen that the Waterloo & City should be extended to Liverpool Street, while another one between Euston & King's Cross St Pancras would be pretty intelligent.

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