South Florida Transportation Part II

[Toucano]

Hey guys, Part I reached the limit...Continue over here...

Here is the original...

[Paul305]

Miami Transportation Projects

Miami Metrorail Expansion



Miami Intermodal Center
Rental Car Facility



Tri-Rail Central Hub




Miami Streetcar
enlarged map



Baylink


I-395 Burial or Redesign





Port of Miami Tunnel: video


Best South Florida Transit-themed Blog:
www.transitmiami.com

[Meph]

Originally Posted by Paul305

I-395 Burial or Redesign

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[brickell]

Nice recap.

A question for Roark and the Miami Beach residents. Do they use their portion of the PTP money for anything in particular? Miami is doing the street car, Coral Gables the trolley, Hiealeah is running their own bus line now. Is the county doing a good enough job over there?

[Roark]

Originally Posted by brickell

Nice recap A question for Roark and the Miami Beach residents. Do they use their portion of the PTP money for anything in particular? Miami is doing the street car, Coral Gables the trolley, Hiealeah is running their own bus line now. Is the county doing a good enough job over there?

Nice job Paul...
touc is right on. Miami Beach really doesn't really have much to say, but the County (rightly) asked for buy-in from the MB citizenery so that there wouldn't be a tremendous uproar. Miami Beach residents are mostly happy with their transportation options. The percentage of people that live on the island and commute don't face any traffic congestion going to the high paying jobs (Central Business District/Brickell, Hospitals). It's about 6- 10 minutes away from everything.

[Roark]

But I will take my hat off for how freakin' convenient MIA is!!! Exactly 14 minutes from the driveway to the terminal. $25 bucks for a cab, and $245 for a round trip flight to Chicago. There aren't many cities in the world where you can go from the urban center to an International Airport in less than 15 minutes.
Now that is TRANSPORTATION!!!

Originally Posted by nimbyhater

and because of that proximity well never have a 1000 footer... damn MIA's convenient location... DAMN IT TO HELL!

why can't we just have an o'hare like chicago... thats still relatively close to everything with convenient expressway access but you can take the train there conveniently too

Of course convenience is relative...but it was EXACTLY 14 minutes from driveway to MIA.
Compared to 50 minutes on the train from Chicago O'Hare to Michigan Avenue/Chestnut. We would have taken a cab from ORD to Dwtn, but their was a Cubs/Sox Game and I was told that it would take over an hour and a half by cab.
I'd love to see the 1,000 footer, but I'd rather have the airport conveniently located for my sake, and for the sake of efficient commerce.

[brickell]

Originally Posted by Roark

Nice job Paul...
touc is right on. Miami Beach really doesn't really have much to say, but the County (rightly) asked for buy-in from the MB citizenery so that there wouldn't be a tremendous uproar. Miami Beach residents are mostly happy with their transportation options.

It's my understanding that each municipality gets their own cut of the half-penny sales tax. What I'm asking is if Miami Beach uses theirs? Maybe I'm wrong on this one. Did they use it for cleaning up Washington Ave? Just wondering here. I understand that Baylink is unrelated.

edit: nevermind, i found this pdf from 2004 showing their planned expenses. A lot of it does look like the Washington Ave area. Also the Electrowave and bike/pedestrian trails. http://www.miamidade.gov/citt/librar...iami-beach.pdf
List for all municipalities here: http://www.miamidade.gov/CITT/municipal_program.asp

[dave8721]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15176567.htm

MASS TRANSIT
News Tri-Rail plan is far-reachingA rail initiative expected to be announced today for Central Florida could eventually bring better Tri-Rail service to South Florida.

BY LARRY LEBOWITZ
llebowitz@MiamiHerald.com

Gov. Jeb Bush is expected to announce today a new commuter rail initiative in Central Florida that could lead to improved service for Tri-Rail riders in South Florida and one day lead to a new Tri-Rail line deep into the suburbs of Southwest Miami-Dade.

The governor's aides refused to confirm any details about the scheduled early-afternoon announcement in Orlando regarding the proposed commuter rail service.

But state transportation leaders have been negotiating for months with CSX Transportation for the rights to run trains on 61 miles of freight lines through parts of Volusia, Seminole, Orange and Osceola counties.

Three sources familiar with the Central Florida deal said CSX, based in Jacksonville, has also agreed to relinquish dispatching and maintenance control along the 72-mile South Florida corridor that the state bought in 1988 for $264 million.

For years, Tri-Rail leaders have complained that the state refused to wrest control over dispatching from CSX as the company sent freight trains and Amtrak passenger trains into the corridor during peak Tri-Rail service hours.

How the South Florida Regional Transportation Authority, which operates Tri-Rail, would cover the multimillion-dollar expense of dispatching and maintenance remains to be seen.

The sources said CSX, as part of the Central Florida pact, will also grant Tri-Rail permission to run passenger service deep into Miami-Dade on a 32-mile spur known as the Homestead extension.

The tracks run from Bird Road near 72nd Avenue diagonally southwest along State Road 874 toward Miami Metrozoo before heading south to Homestead. One spur could also serve residents who live near the Kendall-Tamiami Executive Airport.

Miami-Dade Commission Chairman Joe Martinez has been pushing to develop a bare-bones service similar to the early days of Tri-Rail that would provide a commuting alternative for West Kendall suburbanites who could transfer to Metrorail in Hialeah or, someday, at the Miami Intermodal Center near the airport.

Plenty of funding and operational hurdles have to be cleared before Tri-Rail could start new service in Miami-Dade.

The CSX tracks, which currently support one to two freight trains a day, would have to be improved to meet federal safety standards for passenger services.

And Tri-Rail was originally planning on running three-car diesel-powered double-decker trains that could run at speeds approaching 60 mph. But now those diesel multiple units, or DMUs, might be headed to Central Florida a lot sooner than originally anticipated.

The state paid $22.9 million for the first five cars -- the vast majority of the funding secured by Rep. John Mica, a Central Florida Republican who chairs an influential transportation subcommittee.

Tri-Rail was ordered to send two DMUs to Orlando Tuesday where they will be used as a stage prop for today's announcement by Mica and the governor before returning to South Florida for trial runs later this month.

It is unclear how the four Central Florida counties and the state will pay for the new commuter rail service.

On June 27, Bush vetoed a bill that was strongly supported by Central Florida Republicans and Democrats that would have allowed county voters to decide whether to enact a $2-a-day rental-car surcharge to pay for roads, buses, trains and other transportation needs.

CSX will not be relinquishing its ability to haul 508,000 carloads of freight annually on 1,750 miles of track in Florida.

''We are pleased that these negotiations will enhance CSX's ability to meet the freight needs of a growing state while also addressing Central Florida's commuter rail desires,'' said CSX spokesman Gary Sease.

[spellbound]

Great recap of WORTHY projects, Paul, but is "Baylink" still even being discussed except among urbanists and boosters like on this website?

I try to read the Herald and Sun-Sentinel every day online and can't remember the last time either paper had any mention of it.

Is it still a real project?

[Toucano]

Great Recap Paul...Thanks for including my blog, I am really glad to see that many of you enjoy reading it.

Baylink is not canceled or forgotten...It has been pushed back for funding consideration in 2014, if my memory suits me correctly...This is simply unacceptable, however, the transit officials deemed it necessary to not continue with a project that the misinformed Miami Beach city citizens did not want at the time. From what I can tell, this is no longer the sentiment on Miami Beach. Ultimately, the project is under County jurisdiction and can be completed whenever the county transit officials decide to fund it, whether or not they have Miami Beach city approval and citizen support…

[DGM]

Yea, I agree. I'm all about mid/lowrise towers. The pedestrian environment of a city is much more important than the visual appeal of the skyline from five miles out. I'd much rather see the Biscayne Boulevard streetcar or the baylink in stead of a 1000 foot tower.

BTW, how expensive do you guys think it would be to set up a few east-west light-rail systems branching out from the metrorail? More and more I am thinking that Miami should abandon its hopes of having heavy rail everywhere and just put in a much cheaper light rail system. The suburbanites of Miami will resist heavy rail to the death and I think that light rail would be utilized better anyways (no stairs=burning less calories on the way to the stop). Anyhow, I have no more time to discuss this right now, but I am curious of your opinions on light rail v. heavy rail.

[Ceilingfan]

Has the the northern extension of Metrorail (going up 27th Ave.) been abandoned or pushed behind the east/west? Not that either one is going to happen any time soon. I am a fan of ANY rail transportation, anything that does not have to stop at traffic lights is an improvement over the bus system. Although the attitude in Miami seems to be that people pathetic enough to take the bus don't deserve anything better, I still find it shocking.

[Verticus]

Originally Posted by Ceilingfan

Has the the northern extension of Metrorail (going up 27th Ave.) been abandoned or pushed behind the east/west? Not that either one is going to happen any time soon. I am a fan of ANY rail transportation, anything that does not have to stop at traffic lights is an improvement over the bus system. Although the attitude in Miami seems to be that people pathetic enough to take the bus don't deserve anything better, I still find it shocking.

It has not been abandoned. In fact, one of the great things going for it is that it swings into the north campus of Miami-Dade Community College before swinging out on its run northward to the county line. Of course, seeing it get built is a whole nother thing.

[miamicanes]

Now... if only FDOT could hurry up and buy the rest of the CSX "S" line from Mangonia Park (Tri-Rail's northern end) to Auburndale, and the CSX "A" line from Tampa to Kissimmee, then find a private company (like Virgin Trains in the UK) to come run Florida's own service from Miami to Tampa and Orlando. For trains leaving every 1.5-2 hours, with 4.5-hour end-to-end travel times, they don't even have to lay much new track... they just need physical dispatching control over the track so they can make the freight trains clear the tracks every 45-90 minutes to give the passenger trains a clear path to run through at 79mph nonstop. But to do that, they're going to have to buy the tracks and take physical control of the dispatching, because CSX will never, ever give priority to a passenger train (that's what sparked the latest power grab by FDOT... CSX kept getting caught making Tri-Rail trains wait for freight trains even though CSX didn't even own the track anymore and was explicitly ordered to never, ever delay a passenger train for freight).

Sigh. I really, passionately hate driving to Orlando.

[Verticus]

Originally Posted by miamicanes

Now... if only FDOT could hurry up and buy the rest of the CSX "S" line from Mangonia Park (Tri-Rail's northern end) to Auburndale, and the CSX "A" line from Tampa to Kissimmee, then find a private company (like Virgin Trains in the UK) to come run Florida's own service from Miami to Tampa and Orlando. For trains leaving every 1.5-2 hours, with 4.5-hour end-to-end travel times, they don't even have to lay much new track... they just need physical dispatching control over the track so they can make the freight trains clear the tracks every 45-90 minutes to give the passenger trains a clear path to run through at 79mph nonstop. But to do that, they're going to have to buy the tracks and take physical control of the dispatching, because CSX will never, ever give priority to a passenger train (that's what sparked the latest power grab by FDOT... CSX kept getting caught making Tri-Rail trains wait for freight trains even though CSX didn't even own the track anymore and was explicitly ordered to never, ever delay a passenger train for freight).

Sigh. I really, passionately hate driving to Orlando.

I hear you, dude, but expecting anything wise coming from the FDOT is wishful thinking.

[miamicanes]

Actually, FDOT's non-high-speed rail plans are fairly sane. They've been treading lightly to avoid getting tarred by the same brush that (rightfully) killed the HSR project, but they have been quietly working at it.

What's really sad is that Amtrak was actually making a net profit on its daily Miami-Orlando train a few years ago. They decided to have a pissing match with FDOT, and threatened to cut the route if FDOT didn't subsidize it. FDOT knew the route was turning an outright profit for Amtrak, and laughed at them... figuring that not even Amtrak would do something as stupid as eliminating one of their few genuinely profitable routes just to make a political point. Well, Amtrak cut the route, and FDOT realized that Amtrak is run by complete bungling idiots who couldn't run a customer-focused profitable railroad if you handed it to them on a gold plate.

I suspect that when the happy day comes that trains are running between Miami and Orlando & Tampa regularly, on time, in less than four hours, with onboard satellite broadband, secure overnight station parking, and on-site rental cars, the logo on the side of the trains won't say "Amtrak".

Now... some food for fantasy :-)

[Paul305]

Sorry to go off topic, but is that guy flicking us off?

[Verticus]

I doubt if Amtrack will still be around by then but maybe a privately ran intercity commuter line might take its place.

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by Paul305

Sorry to go off topic, but is that guy flicking us off?

LOL...I think he is, actually.

Which is the same thing I'm ready to do with Metrorail if I'm reading things here correctly.

I was under the impression that the North Leg of Metrorail was already being constructed---or at least that every hurdle had been cleared (including prep work) to BEGIN construction.

Is that not happening...or am I just not reading correctly here?

What gives? The REAL version, not the Chamber of Commerce one if that's OK..

[brickell]

Originally Posted by spellbound

LOL...I think he is, actually.

I was under the impression that the North Leg of Metrorail was already being constructed---or at least that every hurdle had been cleared (including prep work) to BEGIN construction.

What gives? The REAL version, not the Chamber of Commerce one if that's OK..

You're reading is wrong. North Line is actually ahead of the E-W. Barring any disasters, this whole Orange line should get done. Anything beyond that, I have my doubts.

There are 3 legs of the new metrorail expansion.

1. MIC connector. MIC-Earlington Heights http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/lib...rNewsv0016.pdf

Funding in place. design completion 01/07, construction start 08/07, open to public end of 2009.

2. North Corridor. Along 27th ave corridor from MLKjr station to County Line.
http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/cor...dor/n_home.asp

Preliminary design has taken place.
Favorable rating from the Feds for 50% and promise from state for 25%.
Estimated opening 2012

3. E-W Corridor. From MIC to FIU campus.

Preliminary design/community meetings happening now.
Estimated opening 2014.