Second Sydney Airport

[sydney_sider]

It's been some time since this issue was last raised, but I can't help but wonder what has been decided in relation to it. Given the controversial nature of the project, it seems as though the government is biding its time. I would just like to know if anybody is aware of the current status of the project...

[tayser]

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=413405

[Qantas743]

Nothing is happening. The current Sydney airport is undergoing a major expansion stretching over the next 20 years or so in order to make it capable of handling up to 70 million passengers a year. A second Sydney airport will not be considered for at least another 20 years as it is not required for the moment. Kingsford Smith is certainly capable of meeting the needs of Sydney in the future.

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by Qantas743

Nothing is happening. The current Sydney airport is undergoing a major expansion stretching over the next 20 years or so in order to make it capable of handling up to 70 million passengers a year. A second Sydney airport will not be considered for at least another 20 years as it is not required for the moment. Kingsford Smith is certainly capable of meeting the needs of Sydney in the future.

Also, I think that Macquarie Bank had a clause put into its purchasing agreement which states that no other airport be built within a certain range of Kingsford Smith (100kms or so?). Anyway, you can bet your last penny that they would fight any proposals to build another airport in Sydney. At least until they've made their billions of $ with the current one.

Cheers.

[Cristovão471]

I reckon they should deem the Canberra airport as Sydney's 'second airport'
so they will build a bullet train down to canberra and probably continue it down to melbourne!
I will be happy.

[Minnesota Twin]

Originally Posted by chris_underscore47

I reckon they should deem the Canberra airport as Sydney's 'second airport'
so they will build a bullet train down to canberra and probably continue it down to melbourne!
I will be happy.

Kate Carnell's ACT Liberal government spent a lot of energy and money 10 years ago toying around with the idea of a fast train from CBR airport to Sydney. It was rejected because it was seen as unfeasible.

[Cristovão471]

Originally Posted by Minnesota Twin

Kate Carnell's ACT Liberal government spent a lot of energy and money 10 years ago toying around with the idea of a fast train from CBR airport to Sydney. It was rejected because it was seen as unfeasible.

Well in the new Canberra 'International' airport master plan they have brought up the idea again.

I don't think Sydney will have a new airport anytime soon.

[BNE_Kid_in_ROK]

Originally Posted by cristobal_underscore

I reckon they should deem the Canberra airport as Sydney's 'second airport'
so they will build a bullet train down to canberra and probably continue it down to melbourne!
I will be happy.

Yeah, ould be a good idea, but could Canberra handle it? if the renovate, or extend, then for shure, I'm all for it, being a former Canberrian myself in '00-'02

[Tyson]

Imagine ending up in Canberra when you thought you were going to Sydney. Be like being robbed.

[Cristovão471]

Originally Posted by Tyson

Imagine ending up in Canberra when you thought you were going to Sydney. Be like being robbed.

so childish.

[Melbnovo]

People have even suggested using Newcastle as a second airport option and linking by fast train. I don't think any of these options will work however, as the distances are too great. However, I think a fast train linking Canberra-Wollongong-Sydney-Newcastle is a fab idea, as it would link close to 6 million people together. Then the option of linking this network to MEL in the south and BRISBANE to the north. The "Eastern Express"!!

Any other suggestions as to where Sydney's second airport should go???

[coastal]

My preference is Badgery's Creek option B.

[Fabian]

Originally Posted by coastal

My preference is Badgery's Creek option B.

They better get a move on before people starting building homes out there!!!!

[connected_]

Kingsford Smith currently handles around 30 million passengers per year. Given its relatively small size compared to other international airports, this is a lot! If an airport at Badgery's Creek is built, it will quite literally be around 4 times the site of the current airport at Mascot:



I think the idea of expanding Canberra's airport and running a 'fast train' is absolutely stupid. It's like how Jetstar used to advertise flying to major capital cities in Australia, but they flew to secondary airports (e.g. they advertised Melbourne - in which case you'd assume it would be Tullamarine airport - but actually flew to Geelong).

[KJBrissy]

At least they were forethinking the rail station...there's a start!

[SYDNEYAHOLIC]

I don't see how Kingsford Smith can handle close to 70 million passengers per year. It simply does not have enough gates, and there is hardly any space to add any more. Also, the terminals are quite small and there isn't much space for a luggage carousel.

Also, there is no space to expand the current tiny freight facilities.

Also, over the next 20 years a major percentage of Sydney's population growth will be concentrated in the corridor from the CBD to the airport. THis will make aircraft noise an even worse issue as instead of aircraft noise being loudest over the suburbs north, east and west of the airport there will instead be large apartment blocks with hundreds of people in each.

Also, with almost no one using the airport rail line due to the outrageous price what will happen to the already extremely congested M5 and Eastern Distributor???

A new airport in Badgery's Creek which replaces Kingsford Smith is not very viable from an aircraft noise perspective as well because the South-West growth centre will eventually sit on the eastern edge of the proposed airport site. Though of course aircraft noise will have less of an impact.

These are just a few thoughts...

[Q-TIP]

Dont mean to be rude, but a little searching, and will find the same thread titled "A new option for Sydney's second airport" by Fabian on page 14 of this subforum, with similiar views to those you will all bring up over the coming weeks...Sydney offshore island airport is my preferred replacement option.

[Qantas743]

Originally Posted by SYDNEYAHOLIC

I don't see how Kingsford Smith can handle close to 70 million passengers per year. It simply does not have enough gates, and there is hardly any space to add any more. Also, the terminals are quite small and there isn't much space for a luggage carousel.

Also, there is no space to expand the current tiny freight facilities.

Also, over the next 20 years a major percentage of Sydney's population growth will be concentrated in the corridor from the CBD to the airport. THis will make aircraft noise an even worse issue as instead of aircraft noise being loudest over the suburbs north, east and west of the airport there will instead be large apartment blocks with hundreds of people in each.

Also, with almost no one using the airport rail line due to the outrageous price what will happen to the already extremely congested M5 and Eastern Distributor???

A new airport in Badgery's Creek which replaces Kingsford Smith is not very viable from an aircraft noise perspective as well because the South-West growth centre will eventually sit on the eastern edge of the proposed airport site. Though of course aircraft noise will have less of an impact.

These are just a few thoughts...

I agree with you that Sydney's international terminal can get some what crowded at peak times where all gates are taken, but the international terminal is expected to expand somehow. You may also be pleased to know that the expansion plans include high-rise office blocks!!!

Also, when Qantas complete the transfer of their 747 maintenance facilities to Avalon, I'm 100% sure that the space once used to service the aircraft will be either demolished to make way for more gates etc or converted into something, e.g. other maintenance areas or cargo etc.

[dunwyn]

I was also going to suggest the offshore option. Rather radical but with the ability to adapt in size and location this maybe that option in 20 years.

[RSG]

A second airport will not happen. If it does, why not just expand an existing airpot like Camden.