V Tower vs Lumiere vs Eastgate

van heckler · March 22nd, 2007, 12:57 AM

Name - V Tower
City - Birmingham
Height - 152m
Floors - 51

Name - Lumiere
City - Leeds
Height - 171m
Floors - 54

Name - Eastgate
City - Manchester
Height - 188m
Floors - 58

Information source - http://www.skyscrapernews.com/

Martin G · March 22nd, 2007, 02:43 AM

This is like a red rag to a bull VH....... I can tell you unreservedly which one is the worst by far in terms of height and overall shiteness verging on taking the piss ..... but I won't bother, save to say that the Lumiere is the one that takes ALL the plaudits. Eastgate is far too monolithic and it really should be a more inspired design than that overbearingly generic colossus Wayne Mellor has come up with here. It's too tall imo and completely out of keeping with its immediate surroundings. Ideally it should be 10 storeys shorter.

I never thought I'd give the first vote to a Simpson-designed tower (cos he's a bit of an arrogant tit as well), but there you have it.....

dom · March 22nd, 2007, 08:53 AM

Eastgate is the only one that looks like a proper modernist skyscraper and is over 650ft tall - the height when mere towers become skyscrapers in my opinion.

The cladding on the other two appears risky. They'll either both look absolutely wonderful or absolutely hideous.

Eastgate is a real svelte beast and will crown Manchester's skyline with style and has the 'soar factor' that the others can only hope to match.

Martin G · March 23rd, 2007, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom

Eastgate is the only one that looks like a proper modernist skyscraper and is over 650ft tall - the height when mere towers become skyscrapers in my opinion.

The cladding on the other two appears risky. They'll either both look absolutely wonderful or absolutely hideous.

Eastgate is a real svelte beast and will crown Manchester's skyline with style and has the 'soar factor' that the others can only hope to match.

The cladding on Inacity/Eastgate ain't much better to be truthfully honest with you. And it's not going to be over 650 feet tall - 188 metres is 618 feet actually.

Mind you, I don't like the pedestrian slab form of Inacity either. And after witnessing Wayne Mellor and Ian Simpson's cloying backslapping antics at last December's Cube seminar in Manchester I secretly want this project to get cut down to size now as it stands just to piss him off!

***b4mmy*** · April 1st, 2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin G

This is like a red rag to a bull VH.......

lol was just about to say the same matey! But you know its not JUST about the tower

Myster E · April 3rd, 2007, 01:08 AM

Lumiere-its a different new look for Leeds along with the Criterion proposals rather than the 'Bridgwater' apartment samey looks proposals/constructions that are springing up in the city. I do have my reservations about the glass rendering though, I am concerned this will be a slab of glass, 171m tall and designed by Ian Simpson, its already conjuring awful images of a clone of another building in Manchester

Eastgate-A Supertall by UK standards but its merely three slabs of glass stacked together plus a bit uninspiring. The good thing though is that it will definitely look good on the Manc skyline with Beetham and compliment it even more by looking even duller.

V Tower- Awkward angle, not tall enough and too wide plus it's just the Hyatt with 70-80 meteres added on with a V shape on each of the sides without the reflective glass. Doesn't sit well with the Alpha Tower at all, its just shying away whereas the vision proposal was a million times better than this although looking a bit ancient now.

That's just my take, I know some of you won't agree.

Flogging Molly · June 1st, 2007, 12:08 PM

I envy Dubai.

Newcastle Guy · June 1st, 2007, 12:51 PM

Uhh... Why? Its like Las Vegas on steroids. That ain't something to envy!

Biosonic · March 22nd, 2007, 11:54 AM

It just occurred to me that V looks like a cross between the other 2

I voted Lumiere, but only because there are 2 of them

Orgoglioso · March 22nd, 2007, 11:57 PM

Love them all actually but ill have to stick to my loyalties on this one and also agree with biosonic, there are two of them in Lumiere and that great glass atrium at the bottom.

joeyB_86 · March 23rd, 2007, 03:56 AM

Eastgate is such a terrible design. The height is fine but I even prefere Beetham to it, and thats saying something. I do prefere criterion in Leeds to any of them. When (if) that is built, I think it will put any building in the UK to shame.

Blunther · March 23rd, 2007, 11:31 AM

La Lumiere... isn't that the one that won that design competition a couple of years bacK (sorry, I'm not really keeping up that much with other cities' projects)?

If so... it's bloody changed a bit hasn't it?! I thought it was a slender pair of towers that had the impression of leaning away from each other?!

How can you win a design competition, then radically alter the design?!

leonardhenry · March 23rd, 2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blunther

La Lumiere... isn't that the one that won that design competition a couple of years bacK (sorry, I'm not really keeping up that much with other cities' projects)?

If so... it's bloody changed a bit hasn't it?! I thought it was a slender pair of towers that had the impression of leaning away from each other?!

How can you win a design competition, then radically alter the design?!

No, that's Criterion Place.

This is Lumiere

Still a jaunty twin tower Simpson scheme, with a funky winter garden joining the 2 towers

paulmat · March 23rd, 2007, 11:45 AM

It is a slender pair of towers leaning away from each other, but the image only shows the taller of the two towers.

I think i'll have to go with the majority. La Lumiere is stunning.

Telfordboy · March 23rd, 2007, 01:36 PM

I voted V for loyalty but I really really like Lumiere.

T0M · March 23rd, 2007, 02:19 PM

I gave Lumiere the final vote, but V came second. Eastgate is another PlayStation 2 wannabe. What is it with Manchester and these huge monolithic lego blocks? Fair play in terms of height, but where's the creativity? A five year old with Duplo could have designed that... (awaits invetiable enraged onslaught...)

U475 Foxtrot · March 23rd, 2007, 03:08 PM

My vote goes to the stunning Lumiere closely followed by V

Eastgate is also too uninspiring for me

March 23rd, 2007, 03:39 PM

Lumiere followed closely by Eastgate with V dragging its heels to eventually lose its energy and finish 23m from the finishing line.

Biosonic · March 23rd, 2007, 03:38 PM

Lumiere for me

Then V

Then Eastgate.

Not to say Eastgate is last - just 3rd (as I like it, but want to see more detail)

Blunther · March 23rd, 2007, 04:13 PM

Any other pictures of Lumiere? Had a quick look on Lumiere thread, but can't find many. From that picture above, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm not a Simpson fan though to be honest.

Don't get me wrong, it looks alright, and I certainly wouldn't complain if it was proposed locally, but just looks a bit.... Simpsony... bland... dull even. Nah, not dull, but not stunning.

Uninspiring... that's the word

View Poll Results: Which is your favourite?
V Tower	29	23.02%
Lumiere	67	53.17%
Eastgate	30	23.81%
Voters: 126. You may not vote on this poll

March 22nd, 2007, 12:57 AM	#1
van heckler Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wolverhampton/Birmingham Posts: 2,725 Likes (Received): 3	V Tower vs Lumiere vs Eastgate Name - V Tower City - Birmingham Height - 152m Floors - 51 Name - Lumiere City - Leeds Height - 171m Floors - 54 Name - Eastgate City - Manchester Height - 188m Floors - 58 Information source - http://www.skyscrapernews.com/

March 22nd, 2007, 02:43 AM	#2
Martin G Compulsive : Obsessive Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: GET TO FUCK, WHY DON'T YOU? Posts: 7,325 Likes (Received): 40	This is like a red rag to a bull VH....... I can tell you unreservedly which one is the worst by far in terms of height and overall shiteness verging on taking the piss ..... but I won't bother, save to say that the Lumiere is the one that takes ALL the plaudits. Eastgate is far too monolithic and it really should be a more inspired design than that overbearingly generic colossus Wayne Mellor has come up with here. It's too tall imo and completely out of keeping with its immediate surroundings. Ideally it should be 10 storeys shorter. I never thought I'd give the first vote to a Simpson-designed tower (cos he's a bit of an arrogant tit as well), but there you have it..... __________________ 147 metres: so is this the height of Birmingham's ambitions? The city surely deserves better. Arena Central / Arena Square / V Building The incredible shrinking tower: 245m --> 187m --> 175m --> 152m --> 150m --> 147m --> 143m --> ???m

March 22nd, 2007, 11:54 AM	#9
Biosonic Second Citizen Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 14,320 Likes (Received): 2	It just occurred to me that V looks like a cross between the other 2 I voted Lumiere, but only because there are 2 of them __________________ Birmingham.Brilliance

March 22nd, 2007, 11:57 PM	#10
Orgoglioso Leeds, La dolce vita Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Leeds Posts: 629 Likes (Received): 0	Love them all actually but ill have to stick to my loyalties on this one and also agree with biosonic, there are two of them in Lumiere and that great glass atrium at the bottom. __________________ Leeds, La dolce vita Ah'll sithee Leeds I am Nobody, Nobody is perfect, therefore I must be perfect!

March 22nd, 2007, 08:53 AM	#3
dom Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SE England Posts: 1,177 Likes (Received): 5	Eastgate is the only one that looks like a proper modernist skyscraper and is over 650ft tall - the height when mere towers become skyscrapers in my opinion. The cladding on the other two appears risky. They'll either both look absolutely wonderful or absolutely hideous. Eastgate is a real svelte beast and will crown Manchester's skyline with style and has the 'soar factor' that the others can only hope to match.

April 3rd, 2007, 01:08 AM	#6
Myster E Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Birmingham Posts: 1,288 Likes (Received): 5	Lumiere-its a different new look for Leeds along with the Criterion proposals rather than the 'Bridgwater' apartment samey looks proposals/constructions that are springing up in the city. I do have my reservations about the glass rendering though, I am concerned this will be a slab of glass, 171m tall and designed by Ian Simpson, its already conjuring awful images of a clone of another building in Manchester Eastgate-A Supertall by UK standards but its merely three slabs of glass stacked together plus a bit uninspiring. The good thing though is that it will definitely look good on the Manc skyline with Beetham and compliment it even more by looking even duller. V Tower- Awkward angle, not tall enough and too wide plus it's just the Hyatt with 70-80 meteres added on with a V shape on each of the sides without the reflective glass. Doesn't sit well with the Alpha Tower at all, its just shying away whereas the vision proposal was a million times better than this although looking a bit ancient now. That's just my take, I know some of you won't agree.

June 1st, 2007, 12:08 PM	#7
Flogging Molly BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 3,498 Likes (Received): 0	I envy Dubai.

June 1st, 2007, 12:51 PM	#8
Newcastle Guy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 8,957 Likes (Received): 18	Uhh... Why? Its like Las Vegas on steroids. That ain't something to envy!

March 23rd, 2007, 03:56 AM	#11
joeyB_86 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 701 Likes (Received): 0	Eastgate is such a terrible design. The height is fine but I even prefere Beetham to it, and thats saying something. I do prefere criterion in Leeds to any of them. When (if) that is built, I think it will put any building in the UK to shame.

March 23rd, 2007, 11:31 AM	#12
Blunther Kebab Whore Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brummagem, Weoley Castle Posts: 3,017 Likes (Received): 0	La Lumiere... isn't that the one that won that design competition a couple of years bacK (sorry, I'm not really keeping up that much with other cities' projects)? If so... it's bloody changed a bit hasn't it?! I thought it was a slender pair of towers that had the impression of leaning away from each other?! How can you win a design competition, then radically alter the design?!

March 23rd, 2007, 11:45 AM	#14
paulmat ß∂NNED Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sheffield/Leeds Posts: 11,521 Likes (Received): 1	It is a slender pair of towers leaning away from each other, but the image only shows the taller of the two towers. I think i'll have to go with the majority. La Lumiere is stunning.

March 23rd, 2007, 01:36 PM	#15
Telfordboy Fus-Ro-Dah! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Yo' mama! Posts: 10,593 Likes (Received): 6	I voted V for loyalty but I really really like Lumiere. __________________ You may be able to contact me at the Hall of the Wendigo should you really feel the need. http://hallofthewendigo.informe.com/forum/

March 23rd, 2007, 02:19 PM	#16
T0M Scousish Join Date: May 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,812 Likes (Received): 0	I gave Lumiere the final vote, but V came second. Eastgate is another PlayStation 2 wannabe. What is it with Manchester and these huge monolithic lego blocks? Fair play in terms of height, but where's the creativity? A five year old with Duplo could have designed that... (awaits invetiable enraged onslaught...)

March 23rd, 2007, 03:08 PM	#17
U475 Foxtrot Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,195 Likes (Received): 2	My vote goes to the stunning Lumiere closely followed by V Eastgate is also too uninspiring for me

March 23rd, 2007, 03:39 PM	#18
SimLim Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	Lumiere followed closely by Eastgate with V dragging its heels to eventually lose its energy and finish 23m from the finishing line.

March 23rd, 2007, 03:38 PM	#19
Biosonic Second Citizen Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 14,320 Likes (Received): 2	Lumiere for me Then V Then Eastgate. Not to say Eastgate is last - just 3rd (as I like it, but want to see more detail) __________________ Birmingham.Brilliance

March 23rd, 2007, 04:13 PM	#20
Blunther Kebab Whore Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brummagem, Weoley Castle Posts: 3,017 Likes (Received): 0	Any other pictures of Lumiere? Had a quick look on Lumiere thread, but can't find many. From that picture above, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm not a Simpson fan though to be honest. Don't get me wrong, it looks alright, and I certainly wouldn't complain if it was proposed locally, but just looks a bit.... Simpsony... bland... dull even. Nah, not dull, but not stunning. Uninspiring... that's the word

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