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Old June 15th, 2007, 05:53 AM   #1
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Developers To Detail $14B Plans Around Penn Station
By ELIOT BROWN
Special to the Sun
June 14, 2007


A plan for building a set of towering skyscrapers, two grandlyscaled train halls, and a new Madison Square Garden around the existing Pennsylvania Station are rapidly advancing, and the state hopes to begin the public review process for the project, known as Moynihan Station, in the next few weeks.

The developers' revised designs, which are said to include a pair of towers taller than the Empire State Building to be built on the current site of Madison Square Garden, could swiftly transform Midtown South into a thriving epicenter of commercial activity centered around one of the largest transit hubs in the country.

The proposals, which could cost more than $14 billion including the private development, are being shown to elected officials and community groups by a joint development team, Vornado Realty

Trust and the Related Companies.

A spokesman for New York's Empire State Development Corporation said the state has yet to complete negotiations about the complex development rights and possible public subsidies for the renovation of Penn Station. Developers say they hope to start construction in 2008 after the sometimes lengthy process of public approval is completed.

The project takes its name from the late Senator Moynihan, who favored the concept of transforming part of the Corinthiancolumned Farley Post Office building, which sits across Eighth Avenue from Madison Square Garden, into a train station reminiscent of the original Penn Station. It has been under consideration for at least 15 years and faced numerous financial and political obstacles.

While the developers had publicly discussed their vision for the comprehensive plan about a year ago, the concept is now refined, more specific, and closer to reality, people familiar with the plans said, and come after a spider web of discussions among the numerous stakeholders that has gone on for months.

People familiar with the designs say they call for a complex containing 5.5 million square feet built on what is now Madison Square Garden. Primarily office buildings, it includes two towers whose spires will be taller than 1,400 feet. Another tower, to be built along Seventh Avenue near One Penn Plaza, would utilize 2 million square feet of developable air rights transferred from the Farley Post Office site.

Under the plans, the existing Pennsylvania Station would be reconfigured to allow natural light into the train hall, which is now buried under low ceilings.

"The whole place will be flooded with daylight," the president of the developers' Moynihan Station Venture team, Vishaan Chakrabarti, said. He called it "a dramatically nicer space that, again, is larger than the main room at Grand Central."

Given its scale, the project could be extraordinarily lucrative for the developers. Vornado has a significant number of other holdings in the area that would presumably skyrocket in value. The magnitude of the project also makes it risky, the developers say, especially since the most lucrative part of the complex — the private towers in the place on the current Garden site — could not be completed until near the end of the project, which could take up to 10 years.

"If you think about it, the place where we make any money is the towers that get built last — it's an extraordinary risk," Mr. Chakrabarti said.

Historic preservation groups, including the Municipal Art Society and the Landmarks Conservancy, have expressed concerns that the main hall in the Farley building would effectively be turned into an entrance for a new sports arena; they took issue with the possibility of using the post office's original sales windows as ticket booths for events.

The developers say the rebuilt Madison Square Garden acts as a critical component for that space.

"It certainly moves the center of gravity of Midtown to the south and the west, and it effectively expands the Midtown central business district with a significant new anchor," the chief executive officer of the Partnership for New York City, Kathryn Wylde, said.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 06:24 AM   #2
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Old June 15th, 2007, 06:28 AM   #3
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Old June 15th, 2007, 06:45 AM   #4
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wow. thats agressive, 2 1400 footers?
lets see if this gets done.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 06:49 AM   #5
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wow. thats agressive, 2 1400 footers?
lets see if this gets done.
NY desperately needs office space. In addition, a third tower of 2m+ s.f. is reported for that site and Vornado plans a fourth tower of 2.5m s.f. across the street on the Hotel Penn site. That's four buildings in the 1,000 foot + range on one block!
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Old June 15th, 2007, 06:51 AM   #6
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This is slightly higher than ESB and in the same locality?
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Old June 15th, 2007, 07:08 AM   #7
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oh great. here we go again with the height tease. 'it includes two towers whose spires will be taller than 1,400 feet.' i hope i'm wrong, but i can easily see ~1000 foot towers (not that impressive) with 400 foot antennas (slightly exaggerating, but look at FT's 400 footer!). i guess i fall into the category where the 'tip don't count'....now...roof height at 1400, then i'll raise my eyebrows.

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oh great. here we go again with the height tease. 'it includes two towers whose spires will be taller than 1,400 feet.' i hope i'm wrong, but i can easily see ~1000 foot towers (not that impressive) with 400 foot antennas (slightly exaggerating, but look at FT's 400 footer!). i guess i fall into the category where the 'tip don't count'....now...roof height at 1400, then i'll raise my eyebrows.

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Old June 15th, 2007, 07:22 AM   #9
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:02 AM   #10
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lol two towers that are 700 feet with 700 feet spires could you imagine if that were the case??
Anyways i hope they are 1300 at roof and just 100 foot spire.
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lol two towers that are 700 feet with 700 feet spires could you imagine if that were the case??
Anyways i hope they are 1300 at roof and just 100 foot spire.
Spires add nothing other than aesthetic value, and I imagine they're not too desirable to the property developers who wish to maximise profits...
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:32 AM   #12
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Wow, taller than the ESP??

That sounds amazing. They would be the second largest buildings in NYC right? After the Freedom Tower at 1776 feet...?
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Old June 15th, 2007, 08:39 AM   #13
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Well they wont be near the size of the old WTC however they will be a great addition to the skyline, pending design. This should be good.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:04 PM   #14
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Nice.

So in metric, 427m each.

Thanks LLoydGeorge.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:08 PM   #15
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Nice.

So in metric, 427m each.

Thanks LLoydGeorge.
Wow Great hight !
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:18 PM   #16
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Incredible if true... this would transform New York's skyline (and that's saying something!).
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:21 PM   #17
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Well they wont be near the size of the old WTC however they will be a great addition to the skyline, pending design. This should be good.


The old Twin Towers were shorter than 1400ft. The proposed towers will be only about 50ft shorter than the Sears Tower
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:25 PM   #18
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So including these new towers, New York could potentially have 11 supertalls by pinnacle height within the next few years...

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?28411971
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:28 PM   #19
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Waiting for confirmation and final design unveiling.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 12:37 PM   #20
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Good news for NYC, sounds very generous with the amount of space being offered too. how many floors are we talking about and what would be the floor to ceiling heights of a floor roughly?
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