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Old September 11th, 2007, 04:26 AM   #1
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FRASERS BROADWAY - #PROJECT: Central Park

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Old September 20th, 2007, 05:18 AM   #2
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http://www.frasersbroadway.com.au/br...and_tours.html

Community Information Display and Site Tours, September 2007

Come and walk through the ‘old Kent Brewery’ on Broadway and learn more about the future of this important Sydney landmark.

When: Wednesday 26 September, 5–7pm
Meet Frasers Property and see the information display

Saturday 29 September 2007, anytime between 11am–3pm
Take a site tour, meet Frasers Property and see the
information display

Where: Carlton United Brewery Gate on Broadway, near the Clare Hotel

Community Information Display
At the Wednesday and Saturday sessions, an information display will be available to view. It will explain the approved concept plan and encourage your input. New owners, Frasers Property, will be on hand to answer your questions and seek your feedback.

Guided Tours
On the Saturday, guided tours of the site and its brewing history will also be occurring throughout the day, including briefings on the approved concept plan.

Tours will run between 11am–2.30pm and last approximately 45 minutes.

To take part in a tour prior registration is essential by Wednesday 26 September at broadway@elton.com.au or by contacting Laura or Caline at Elton Consulting on 9387 2600.

You’re welcome to join us at the session of your choice and have your say about the next stages of planning for this significant Sydney site.
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Old September 20th, 2007, 05:28 AM   #3
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^ actually, check out the whole website!!!
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Old September 20th, 2007, 06:26 PM   #4
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Thanks Lance. I will certainly be going with camera in tow.



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Old September 27th, 2007, 06:19 AM   #5
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^ looking at that plan i'm assuming that the grey bits are heritage listed buildings. a couple of notes of interest then -

* that disused art-deco pub halfway between the clare hotel (top left of kensington precinct) and the abercrombie (top left of bewery yard precinct), ie, halfway along broadway, does not seem to be retained. that would be a pity and i'm surprised considering the other disused art-deco pub at the bottom right of park precinct, along regent st, is shown in grey

* it does not seem like all the terraces along kensington st are being preserved, there's alot of yellow between those little grey blocks.

* i mentioned in the previous thread that there has been talk about making kensington st a pedestrianised eat st utilising the "to be" restored terraces. it looks like the southern end of kensington is being slightly diverted but it seems to be remaining as a one way st northbound.

* it does seem that some of the quality buildings opposite the terraces are being retained but only the northerly buildings and the clare hotel. for this reason i'm still not convinced that kensington would make a good eat st, it would be mostly shady and dark in there at those terraces.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 01:27 AM   #6
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The SMH this morning has an article with a grphic showing the heritage listed buildings and the large heritage row across from the terraces along kensington st was actually the administration offices for the site and they will be retained.

Here's the online article (no graphic unfortunately) -

Developer to go it alone on greenhouse gases
Catharine Munro Urban Affairs Editor
September 28, 2007
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environme...486482413.html

THE new owners of the Carlton United Brewery site are planning how to generate their own electricity to reduce greenhouse gases - even though the State Government does not demand it.

Stanley Quek, a medical doctor from Singapore and the major shareholder of Frasers Property, said power co-generation was one of a number of measures he was looking at to reduce the development's greenhouse footprint.

"We believe it's worth careful consideration because the initial evidence we have is that it's viable on the site," Dr Quek told the Herald.

Frasers Property is building 11 towers, comprising more than 1600 dwellings and 90,000 square metres of commercial and retail space on the old brewery next to Central Station. It is the inner city's largest "blank slate" property.

His plans follow a failed bid in the courts by student Matthew Drake-Brockman to force the State Government to introduce more stringent environmental rules on the developers of the brewery site.

The Herald revealed this month a unit within the Department of Planning, assigned the task of finding ways to reduce demand management, was highly critical of the Government's failure to introduce more stringent environmental rules for developers of major projects.

A spokeswoman for the department said that among the environmental measures required, the developer was to conduct "future investigations into opportunities for each site to generate energy to satisfy its own energy needs".

The Demand Management and Planning Project said the department did not impose even the most basic energy-saving rules on developers.

Co-generation has also been touted by the engineering group Arup, which says it would be ideal for the East Darling Harbour site on the western side of the city.

With only 30 per cent of the power from the giant Hunter Valley generators making it to Sydney's CBD, the current infrastructure is widely recognised as wasteful, even though it is the cheapest form of power.

But the wastage is such an issue that EnergyAustralia, fearing supply shortages in the summer of 2012, says it will have to spend $200 million upgrading the delivery of electricity to inner Sydney if energy-saving solutions are not developed.

Dr Quek manages Fraser's developments in "mature economies" and has worked extensively in London, where the Mayor, Ken Livingstone, has enforced strict rules on environmental sustainability and affordable housing.

Affordable housing is seen as a key factor in ensuring that essential workers, including police and nurses, can stay in the city's most densely populated areas as property prices boom.

Dr Quek said his developments in London had been required to provide as much as 50 per cent in affordable housing. At the Carlton United Brewery, the State Government has demanded a payment that will result in no more than 5 per cent.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 03:21 AM   #7
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Report from Saturday's tour....

Uhmmm, well, seems the Chippendale side is to be developed first creating a low-rise buffer zone to the rest of the site. I guess what you see as the Abercrombie & Park Precincts on the schematic.

Everything else, fairly self-explanatory from the info we already have.

The only other thing of interest @ this point is the tallest structure opposite UTS is earmarked @ this stage for serviced apartments.

Frasers' people, very accommodating.

More tours as such to be held again in the future.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 08:11 AM   #8
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Good report. I couldnt go as I showing some students from our interstate campuses around the CBD yesterday. Did you manage any photos?

I will make an effort to go next time around.
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Old September 30th, 2007, 11:20 AM   #9
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I went. Took approx. 300 pics.

Am going away and after I'll be out of internet range for a while so they will come in about two weeks.

Just pics of the current site but I also took some shots of the information displays. Not sure if any of my shots are actually helpful... We'll see (eventually).
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Old October 1st, 2007, 01:07 PM   #10
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^ How did you find 300 things to take photos of? I took about 5% of what you took. I found that most of the site was just factory space that was coming down soon with a few vats being dismantled etc, and lots of rubble. I suppose we all have different interests so i'll post mine and i'm sure you will have a lot that i don't cover. It was the informative side of the tour I liked best, i'm sure i bugged the tour guide and others (including the missus) with my silly questions.

The first shot is looking up Kensington st from Broadway. On the right you can see the long stretch of continual buildings going all the way down Kensington to near Regent st. Of that long stretch on the right hand side, only the administration building will be retained (the main one you see on the right going about half way down that long stretch, there's 2 sections) and also the art deco "Clare Hotel" which a small part is on the far right of the photo and fronts broadway. The rest of that stretch going up to Regent was built around the 1970's wheras the admin building is turn of last century. also, the building on the left with the "Dwyer St" sign will be retained, it is of a similar period.

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The next lot are of the terraces. It's not one long row but 3 sections separated by buildings that will be demolished and replaced. You can glimpse buildings due to be demolished on either side of the terraces in the last photo. All the terraces range from the mid 1800's to the early 1900's and apparently represent different but important periods for the area. The short term plan is for them to firstly be secured so they don't fall down then they will be rented possibly free of charge to the art community until they are eventually fully restored. The long term plan is to turn the whole street into a "SOHO" style active retail street. I've changed my mind about it being too dark, these photos were taken at 10.30am and it was quite bright. Taken walking from broadway up to near regent st.

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The next 2 are of the brewery building that will be restored and form a key part of the Brewery Yard precint along with the chimney.

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Then walked through the left hand arch entry into the brewery building and took the following photo of the chimney from out the other side. Unfortunately the sun was at a bad angle at that time of morning and it was the only place we were allowed to view it up close from.

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Lastly, here's one that shows the brewery building and the chimney aswell as a dilemna the developers are facing. They plan to demolish the old substation taking up the bottom left of the photo but it powers half of Chippendale! Also, about where the top half of that raised security boom gate is will rise the 2 largest towers (behind the brewery building and chimney)

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Nice pics.

The place has alot of character.
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Old October 2nd, 2007, 05:28 AM   #12
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I love those massive old factories, I'm not sure if its from visiting places like that as a kid or from watching movies. Great pics.
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Old October 3rd, 2007, 02:31 AM   #13
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Nice pics.

The place has alot of character.
Yes, a lot won't be left from though from what I could gather on the tour. For example, only the southern-most section of the Tooth's Brewery Building & of course brick chimney are being kept (Lance's pic posts 5, 6 & & 7) but a great lug of it has been deemed "unsalvageable". I really couldn't see these 30 heritage items (re the model shots above in dark brown) as far as buildings/structures went, but I'm sure there are 'bits 'n pieces" we didn't see on the day. I imagine most are fixtures that will be used in token novel ways to add atmosphere for dining, relaxing & the sort.

Nice pics Lancelot

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Old October 3rd, 2007, 02:54 AM   #14
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sounds like the perfect spot for a big boutique brewery and beer hall.
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^ yes perfect for mob scenes like taking someone there for a hit in the boot of the car, or a shootout even, over a drug deal gone wrong!
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Old October 3rd, 2007, 01:38 AM   #16
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a boutique brewery to replace a big brewery?


Actually, isn't there a James Squires just down on Parramatta Road, next to the Mobil Petrol station
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yes, that was chuck hahns brewery in camperdown, now james squires (tooheys). shaggers, you are onto something, there are whispers that what you have proposed may actually occur because there have been interested parties approach frasers but not sure about the beer hall bit. that would be good too! it wouldn't be on a big scale, more like a retail/pub/restaurant brewery, something like redoak.
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Old October 3rd, 2007, 07:28 AM   #19
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From http://www.redwatch.org.au/media/070927afr

Quek's olive branch
by REDWatch — last modified 2007-10-03 09:45

Stanley Quek's Frasers Property Group has held out an olive branch to angry residents near the $800 million city-fringe Carlton & United Brewery site in Sydney, offering to build a water factory, generate electricity on site and to make elements of the development open to public discussion reports Tina Pennotto in The Australian Financial Review of 27th September 2007.
But local resident Matthew Drake-Brockman has signalled he intends to appeal against a NSW Land & Environment Court decision against a motion to block the development, on the grounds that its approval by the Planning Minister did not take account of the development's impact on sustainable development and climate change.

Dr Quek, chief executive of Frasers, said plans for the 5.8 hectare site, slated to accommodate up to 300 residents and 4000 office workers, would aim for high sustainability outcomes.

An open day on Saturday would kick off an anticipated 18 months of new planning and public consultation to find out what stakeholders wanted, Dr Quek said.

Yesterday he told The Australian Financial Review the inspiration for the new plans was in part the group's exposure to the strong sustainability principles required in London by Mayor Ken Livingstone plus the example of his home base, Singapore.

As well, the project would be eight years in development and it was important to think ahead to what residents and commercial tenants would want.

"Foster's [Group, the previous owner] had a vision and our vision is slightly different. We want to get all the stakeholders together in building a modem urban village with the best ESD [environmentally sustainable development] principles and a sense of place," Dr Quek said.

"It could serve to be a really true model for large urban sites."
Greens councillor Chris Harris said he welcomed the announcement but the single greatest benefit to ESD would be dramatic reduction of the 2300 cars in the plans.

Dr Quek said the car issue was "something we have to look at". First it was important to "get the infrastructure working properly, the trains working properly" .

Last June Frasers paid Foster's $208 million for the contentious site after lengthy consultations between Sydney City Council and the community.
Dr Quek said he was disappointed with the planning challenge news.
"We have said we will stand behind the minister here. We are a little disappointed that they said they are going to appeal, but we have to wait to see whether they are actually appealing."

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Wednesday, October 03, 2007
CUB campaign missing the mark in the AFR

I missed this article in the Fin, so a big thank you to REDWatch for publishing it on the web.

With their current media and negotiation strategy, the activisits involved in this campaign are running the risk of looking like they're more interested in winning than in helping the environment.

The smart thing to do would be to seek an alliance with Frasers. Approach them as natural allies, not an "unexpected source" of environmental thinking. Act as if Frasers is acting in good faith, rather than tossing around throw-away lines about them "making some of the right noises".

The activists need them and to an extent they need the activists, so get used to it. And every time Frasers stands on a podium with a local activist and publicly commits to sustainable development, the closer we come to action.

With this foundation in place, start thinking about what the activists and Frasers could achieve together as a team.

For example, one of the activists' goals is to reduce the number of parking spaces on site.* Meanwhile, Frasers says that if you want people to go car-free, you've got to provide the public transport. So, why not create a campaign in partnership with Frasers, the Property Council of NSW, etc, etc, to convince the NSW government to use the developer contributions from this site to fund a massive transport upgrade for the South Sydney area. Light rail down Broadway — bring it on!

* Other residents want the number of spaces increased, but that's another issue.
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Let's hope those NIMBYS go down hard!
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