1 Park Place | Canary Wharf | 197m | 45 fl | App

london lad · January 23rd, 2008, 06:12 PM

Request for Scoping Opinion as to the information to be contained within an Environmental Impact Assessment to be submitted in support of an application for demolition of existing buildings and construction of a 44 storey building to provide 122,000 sqm.

http://194.201.98.213/WAM/findCaseFi...action4=Search

Judging by the amount of floor space & number of floors & knowing the site is pretty small I would imagine this would be quite a slender tower. Quite excited -its the first non CWG tower on the CW estate. I wonder if they move away from the CWG blocky tower norm.

Flogging Molly · January 23rd, 2008, 06:26 PM

Good news as is Marsh Wall - really is going to be a mini Manhattan soon enough. Cant help that it needs a bit more character though.

Bob · January 23rd, 2008, 06:46 PM

122,000 is BIG though. If a single tower it would have to be fatter than 1CS. This is that funny little accountancy building surrounded by the CW estate isn't it?

***gothicform*** · January 23rd, 2008, 06:50 PM

its here -
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/maps.php?b=5475

twogoodtwo · January 23rd, 2008, 07:35 PM

Can anyone remember how much the building sold for? I'm sure the accountants who are in the building (CLB Littlejohn Frazer) sold it last year but 1 can't remember how much.

Do they also own the car park beside the roundabout (with the traffic lights in the middle) leading to Westferry etc? If not, I agree, the footprint is tiny!!

NovemberX1X · January 29th, 2008, 05:43 PM

Grattan bought the site for £52 million from Grenadier Investments. Savills advised Grattan. (Property Week 11/05/2007-p7)

jimbo · January 29th, 2008, 10:42 PM

great find - I'm not that familiar with the site, the scoping doc looks most promising. Also interesting to me is that an independent developer is planning to go it alone at a time in the cycle where we're starting to look a little bearish. That said, vacancy rates are very low, Churchill Place will be almost fully let, and CWG seem to be pushing on with RS, so perhaps Grattan are looking at the more optimistic end for future occupants. Haven't heard of them below and not sure of their provenance in delivering big schemes - could be applying for pp and then flip site onwards to a developer who'll see it through. Don't know enough, but exciting news all the same.

DarJoLe · January 23rd, 2008, 08:05 PM

They'll build over the dock.

twogoodtwo · January 23rd, 2008, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

They'll build over the dock.

Are they allowed to do that? Is it theirs to do that? I would have thought that CWG / British Waterways would not allow that. (Unless BW got paid lots of money)

DarJoLe · January 23rd, 2008, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by london lad

Quite excited -its the first non CWG tower on the CW estate.

Oh it will never happen then.

Manuel · January 23rd, 2008, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

Oh it will never happen then.

Why?

DarJoLe · January 23rd, 2008, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manuel

Why?

CWG will try and scupper it just like they tried to with Columbus.

london lad · January 23rd, 2008, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

CWG will try and scupper it just like they tried to with Columbus.

Why would CWG try & scupper it? They have sold quite a lot of there buildings on the original estate now so it wouldn't look particularly good for then to say to those who have bought their buildings you cant develop your sites. Anyway what can they do to stop development ??

sam-whit-kid · January 23rd, 2008, 09:48 PM

well it sounds brilliant. even if they built over the dock it would still be quite thin/slender. good news for CW

DarJoLe · January 23rd, 2008, 10:52 PM

Didn't they complain about Columbus being too tall and too much of a liability so close to their estate?

london lad · January 23rd, 2008, 10:54 PM

Cant remember to be honest. But even if they did they wouldn't have much of a case what with all the taller buildings they have built & in planning at the moment.

N1 · January 24th, 2008, 01:37 AM

122000 m2 on that tiny plot? Even if you stretch it all the way to the roundabout it's not big. They gotta go pretty tall. Interesting.

Btw; I'm sure I saw some renders on one of the big architect's sites of a white stone building proposed for this site. Very nice. A bit like the (few) good modern and uber posh stone buildings in Knightsbridge or the City. Sat very well there between Cabot Sq and Westferry. Does that ring any bells anyone?

Edit: found a render of the previous proposal on Goth's site;

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images..._pic1.jpg&no=1

TomD'07 · January 24th, 2008, 01:54 AM

Looking at the site and its area, this would have to be as tall at R.S would it not?

***gothicform*** · January 24th, 2008, 06:56 AM

wasnt there a previous 12 floor proposal for this site? anyone remember what it was?

london lad · January 24th, 2008, 12:01 PM

Yes I think it was Squire & Partners or A&M- Got planning last year I think. Was around the 10 storey mark.

January 23rd, 2008, 06:12 PM	#1
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,156 Likes (Received): 45	1 Park Place \| Canary Wharf \| 197m \| 45 fl \| App Request for Scoping Opinion as to the information to be contained within an Environmental Impact Assessment to be submitted in support of an application for demolition of existing buildings and construction of a 44 storey building to provide 122,000 sqm. http://194.201.98.213/WAM/findCaseFi...action4=Search Judging by the amount of floor space & number of floors & knowing the site is pretty small I would imagine this would be quite a slender tower. Quite excited -its the first non CWG tower on the CW estate. I wonder if they move away from the CWG blocky tower norm. Last edited by london lad; January 23rd, 2008 at 06:31 PM.

January 23rd, 2008, 08:05 PM	#8
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,675 Likes (Received): 400	They'll build over the dock. __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

January 23rd, 2008, 10:52 PM	#15
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,675 Likes (Received): 400	Didn't they complain about Columbus being too tall and too much of a liability so close to their estate? __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

January 24th, 2008, 01:37 AM	#17
N1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 346 Likes (Received): 0	122000 m2 on that tiny plot? Even if you stretch it all the way to the roundabout it's not big. They gotta go pretty tall. Interesting. Btw; I'm sure I saw some renders on one of the big architect's sites of a white stone building proposed for this site. Very nice. A bit like the (few) good modern and uber posh stone buildings in Knightsbridge or the City. Sat very well there between Cabot Sq and Westferry. Does that ring any bells anyone? Edit: found a render of the previous proposal on Goth's site; http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images..._pic1.jpg&no=1 Last edited by N1; January 28th, 2008 at 02:12 AM.

January 24th, 2008, 01:54 AM	#18
TomD'07 Surveying a town near you Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bristol Posts: 881 Likes (Received): 0	Looking at the site and its area, this would have to be as tall at R.S would it not? __________________ Insert signature here

January 23rd, 2008, 06:26 PM	#2
Flogging Molly BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 3,498 Likes (Received): 0	Good news as is Marsh Wall - really is going to be a mini Manhattan soon enough. Cant help that it needs a bit more character though.

January 23rd, 2008, 06:46 PM	#3
Bob Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 2,321 Likes (Received): 3	122,000 is BIG though. If a single tower it would have to be fatter than 1CS. This is that funny little accountancy building surrounded by the CW estate isn't it?

January 23rd, 2008, 06:50 PM	#4
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,239 Likes (Received): 505	its here - http://www.skyscrapernews.com/maps.php?b=5475

January 23rd, 2008, 07:35 PM	#5
twogoodtwo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23 Likes (Received): 0	Can anyone remember how much the building sold for? I'm sure the accountants who are in the building (CLB Littlejohn Frazer) sold it last year but 1 can't remember how much. Do they also own the car park beside the roundabout (with the traffic lights in the middle) leading to Westferry etc? If not, I agree, the footprint is tiny!!

January 29th, 2008, 05:43 PM	#6
NovemberX1X Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 2 Likes (Received): 0	Grattan bought the site for £52 million from Grenadier Investments. Savills advised Grattan. (Property Week 11/05/2007-p7)

January 29th, 2008, 10:42 PM	#7
jimbo Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leeds/London Posts: 4,677 Likes (Received): 3	great find - I'm not that familiar with the site, the scoping doc looks most promising. Also interesting to me is that an independent developer is planning to go it alone at a time in the cycle where we're starting to look a little bearish. That said, vacancy rates are very low, Churchill Place will be almost fully let, and CWG seem to be pushing on with RS, so perhaps Grattan are looking at the more optimistic end for future occupants. Haven't heard of them below and not sure of their provenance in delivering big schemes - could be applying for pp and then flip site onwards to a developer who'll see it through. Don't know enough, but exciting news all the same.

January 23rd, 2008, 09:48 PM	#14
sam-whit-kid 'what are digits?' Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: london... Posts: 261 Likes (Received): 0	well it sounds brilliant. even if they built over the dock it would still be quite thin/slender. good news for CW

January 23rd, 2008, 10:54 PM	#16
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,156 Likes (Received): 45	Cant remember to be honest. But even if they did they wouldn't have much of a case what with all the taller buildings they have built & in planning at the moment.

January 24th, 2008, 06:56 AM	#19
*gothicform* Bossman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: not london Posts: 29,239 Likes (Received): 505	wasnt there a previous 12 floor proposal for this site? anyone remember what it was?

January 24th, 2008, 12:01 PM	#20
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,156 Likes (Received): 45	Yes I think it was Squire & Partners or A&M- Got planning last year I think. Was around the 10 storey mark.

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