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Old April 16th, 2008, 03:50 PM   #1
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[Alpe-Adria] - Castles and Fortresses

There are plenty of castles and fortresses throghout our region, from southeastern Bosnia to Slovenia. So ive decided to start a thread for discussion and presentation of them.

Many of them are from medieval times whereas some were founded even before both the slavs and romans, thousands of years ago, and have since been further enhanced in increments.

Information about some of the below objects can be found here http://www.coe.int/t/dg4/cultureheri...cuments_en.asp

http://www.seecorridors.eu/?w_p=27&w_l=2&w_c=3


Bosnia

Bosnia has ca 300 registered fortresses and castles. Some more spectacular than others. Unfortunately many are unmanaged, because of lack of resources i suppose. I hope that they will one day be refurbished. Below follows a couple of ones.

Tesanj Castle

The foundation of this fortification was started even before the romans conquered the region. Exact dates are unknown. It was later enhanced by the romans, slavs and the the ottoman forces. It has been primarily a defensive fortification.






Doboj Fortress


The first iteration of this fortress was bult in the 10th/11th century and was strengthened with stone strucutres in the 13th century. (This is all during the same period during which Bosnias earliest known university was built in Visoko, also being one of the oldest universities in Europe for studies of Theology, Ethics, Cosmology and Medicine). It was a place for an important battle as the hungarians were heavily defeated there by the join Bosnian Nobolity army and the Ottomans in the early 15th century. After which it was enhanced and adapted for cannons with another wall and other improvements.

Pre war image



Today (it has been refurbished)








Srebrenik Fortress


Another central bosnian fortress, this one was built in 1333. It was once considerably larger but some of its walls and structure has since collapsed. This fortress was occupied by the Ban of the Bosnian Banate, Stjepan Kotromanic until his death in 1352.









Visoki Castle


Built near the settlement Visoko, it was an important fortress in medieval Bosnia and used by the royalty of Bosnia. Many important medieval documents were signed here, at a height of ca 800m. If i recall it correctly the oldest known bosnian document, written by Ban Kulin, was found in this area of Bosnia. Also being the oldest written document known in the south slavic languages.

A reconstruction/model of the orignal castle



Overhead illustration




Gradacac Castle


Finished in the 19th century, by the same general who with his army was able to defend Bosnia from attacks from the north in a time when the ottomans could not. In 1831 the same general rallied the Bosnians against the turkish occupation and drove the ottomans out to Kosovo, winning Bosnia its sovereignty for the coming year. Hence this fortification has great historic importance for bosnians. It has been recently renovated.



http://www.gradacac.net/pages/gradaca7.JPG



http://www.gradacac.net/images/grada...radina_jpg.jpg


Eminagica Konak


Its estimated that this building was built in the early 19th century.






Croatia


Trakoscan Castle





Kljucica


This fortification was built in the 13th century and was once one of the strongest in the area.




Dvorac Veliki Tabor


This castle just look awesome. It was founded in the 12th century, after which it has been incrementally enhanced.

Some history http://www.gresna-gorica.com/_eng/ve..._desinicka.php












Luznica


A croatian castle from the 18th century






Slovenia

Ljubljana Castle

Completed in 1144







Prem

Founded in the second half of the 12th century and has been improved since, not least in the 15th century.







Dobrovo and Kombrek

These were built in the 1600's in typical rennaiscance style







Bogensperk

A castle of great importance to Slovenias educational/science heritage. Its original owner Janez Vajkard Valvasor was a member of the british royal society. From the 1600's.







Gracarjev Turn


Founded in the 14th century and further enhanced in the 16th century. Was damaged in WW2 but is undergoing restoration.

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There are of course many more. So please share them .
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Ostrozac Castle on river Una in Bosnia and Herzegovina, built in gothic style during the Hungarian-Croat Kingdom, conquered by Bosnians/Ottomans in late 16th century.















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Pocitelj fortress and town:



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Travnik fortress:







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Tvrđava Gripe, u centru Splita:


















Tvrđava Klis, iznad Splita:








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Dioklecijanova palača, Split



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A jesi naša pravu sliku...gospe...
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A jesi naša pravu sliku...gospe...
Neman na kompu, a neda mi se tražit
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Dioklecijanova palača, Split
What an attraction. Built around the year 300 for those viewing this that dont know.

We have a couple of neolithic or older settlements in Bosnia, some of which turned into hellenistic settlements later. And som roman camps from later yet. But nothing this spectacular architechturally from that period. From what i know.

Here ate two photos of it today inside Split.



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I believe Ballota has better pictures, so we'll have to wait for him to post 'em

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I knew it!

Before the palace, let me post this great one from Klis...and the fantastic view on Split:


And now the palace...some pics I have in stock:












And some of mine pics:


























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W0000W!!!
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YUP, YUP!

I'm so proud to live in a city like this.

Part ancient city :


Part metropolis :




All in a relatively small package...
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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #16
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@ Ballota: Thread is called "Castles and fortresses" just so you know, we get it, you love your hometown.

Alle, I believe Gradacac castle was built on the previous foundation dating at least to 16th century (Ottoman fortress, nevertheless). It is also interested to note that all three fortresses in Bosnia that you mentioned in your post belonged to Usora bannate/dukedom, a scene of many battles between medieval Bosnia and Hungary. Other major castles in Usora were Dobor (near today's Modrica, built by Croatian noblemen Ivanis and Pavao Horvat in late 1380s; Ivanis's cavalry unit is assumed to partook in the Battle Of Kosovo 1389 as a part of larger Bosnian contingent under Great Bosnian Duke Vlatko Vukovic), Soko (near Gracanica, cca. 14th century), Glaz (near Kulasi spa/ Prnjavor area, first mentioned 1242), Kovac (most likely located around village Kozuhe (1446) in Posavina), & Susidgrad/Susedgrad (today's location unknown, most likely location is village Matuzici near Doboj). In general, Srebrenik, Doboj, Vranduk, and Jajce are my favorite preserved fortresses in this area by far. Here are some photos:

Dobor







Doboj



















Vranduk













Srebrenik














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To Okrojsha: Diocletian Palace is fortress too
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I think he refers to the two non-fotress pics I posted of Split.
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Okrojsha:

I knew that you would visit this thread . Thank you for sharing the information. That whole period in Bosnia is very interesting to track down in procedure. From the early days of the stanak to the end of it (and the earlier history of the region as well, but thats another issue of itself). I hope some of those fortresses can be managed in the future. In any case with the trade with Venice, Dubrovnik etc, and contacts at least as far as luxemburg there was not directly a lack of resources for the bosnian land, even during Ban Kulins time Bosnia prospered. So I think that further excavations will lead to more exciting finds, even though the people there doesnt seem to have been to centered around structures and architechtural achievements.

Of course, the whole balkan area is home to some of the oldest settlements in europe, from lepenski vir to butmir and a whole range of other settlements some dating back to the paleolithic, in a land were many humans survived the last glaciation. And these settlements often developed directly to neolithic ones at the same place and in some occasions at least even a hellenistic culture (se the link in page 1). There are just so many factors to balkan history...

BTW i found your posts on another forum, and they were very interesting, in fact i think im going to collect and save them for reading . Its already answered a few questions i had about the medieval situation in Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia, like a piece to the puzzle. Il continue reading.

The part about the people being practically the same genetically though is not entirely true. Yes, relative other peoples there are great similarities but there are also differences. For example look at the differences of the I1b1 haplogroup percentages etc. We should also note that of course the slavs settling there assimilated the people already living there for thousands if not in some cases tens of thousands of years. I need more information on genetic markers and withing Croatian and Serbian populations though to do my final comparissons. I have some compilation for Bosnians.

If you have any photos of medieval balkan armaments etc i would appreciate it if you would share the resources. I think your perspectives and writings are very interesting, not that i neccessarely agree with all of them, and not that it would matter since i more often than not find i can learn a lot discussing with people i dont agree with... but anyway, you are obviously very knowledgable and know about many events I do not know about. So if you have any writings on balkan history, by you primarily, youd like to share, id be most happy to receive them.


On Split, its a magnificient adriatic and mediterranean city by all means. A beautiful sea side city. I can just imagine what kind of place it was to arrive to to for the Croats, having been invited by byzantium, with the roman structures there etc.
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