Whinmoor Development | Great Crosshall Street | 27m-33m | Part 9 / Part 11 Storey

[Chris B]

Original planning application -

Application Number - 08F/1016
Site Address - Land bounded by Hatton Garden and Great Crosshall Street, Liverpool, L3
Applicant - Whinmoor Estates Ltd
Proposal - To erect a part 8 / 11-storey building comprising 116 no. one and two bed apartments and ground floor retail / commerical units (Use Classes A1/A2/A3/B1) with associated car parking and landscaping.

The Planning Manager is recommending approval of the scheme at the Planning Committee meeting on 8th July -

http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/...F.asp?ID=42403

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This will form the corner between Great Crosshall Street and Hatton Garden, diagonally opposite the Superlambanana, with most of the frontage along Great Crosshall Street.

Although by no means the tallest development, it's location will be key. Coming down Islington onto Hunter Street towards the tunnels, it will be easily visible on the higher ground, giving it much greater presence than a building of similar height elsewhere. Also combined with the hotel development just down the hill on Byrom Street, it should help with the bulking up of this area just on the periphery of the main city core.

[Doug Roberts]

This is great news, this location is ripe for development, agree Chris at 11 storeys it will make quite an impact from Islington.

From the planning doc: sounds promising.

The building has a curved corner onto Hatton Garden forming an elliptical tower feature that projects by three-storeys above the main bulk of the building.

Rear of the site from Johnson St. low level business units, I'm not sure if they are all occupied, any businesses there should be given full relocation costs and offered assistance in moving.

[Chris B]

Originally Posted by Doug Roberts

I'm not sure if they are all occupied, any businesses there should be given full relocation costs and offered assistance in moving.

The Planning Report states that 'a number' of the units are vacant. However given there are only 5 units in total anyway, there can't be more than a couple of businesses likely to be affected by this scheme, although I do agree they should be offered assistance to find other premises.

Looking at those photos, it looks like this development is going to tick a number of boxes. As well as filling the missing corner at the junction, it'll add some much needed massing to bring the site into line with its neighbours. Through its design it'll also provide a focal point. The introduction of a restaurant and shop(s) at the ground floor level will also add activity and life to the streets it faces onto, instead of turning its back to the streets like the current units do. Overall it looks like a very positive scheme.

[eyeam]

It's about time that plot was developed. Hopefully the businesses can be relocated somewhere nearby though. There's probably some empty units/old warehouses in the streets off Vauxhall Rd opposite the college.

[Chris B]

Just to note that this was approved at yesterday's Planning Committee meeting. We haven't seen many new developments kick off lately, so it's good to see some 'in the pipeline' for the months ahead.

[buggedboy]

That's what's worrying me. We have sooooo many approved schemes now that are yet to get on site, I'm a trifle worried. I know Tribeca is (kind of) on site and I have a little confidence that Central Village will be ok, but I'm still worried by the lack of "starts on site" headlines.

[eyeam]

Originally Posted by buggedboy

That's what's worrying me. We have sooooo many approved schemes now that are yet to get on site, I'm a trifle worried. I know Tribeca is (kind of) on site and I have a little confidence that Central Village will be ok, but I'm still worried by the lack of "starts on site" headlines.

The whole of the Tribeca scheme is not assured to go ahead. Murmurs that they are struggling to finance it.

[Chris B]

Good old DP&E. On the ball as always -

Planners give the go-ahead for £10m Hatton Garden scheme

Jul 26 2008 by Neil Hodgson, Liverpool Echo



A NEW £10m city centre residential and commercial development has been approved by planners.

The striking 11-storey scheme, which includes underground car parking, will rise from the corner of Hatton Garden and Great Crosshall Street.

Chester-based Whinmoor Estates is behind the scheme, which was designed by Liverpool architects Falconer Chester Hall.

Managing director Adam Hall said: “We are very excited about this.

“We were granted planning permission for a mixed use residential and retail or commercial scheme with car parking.”

He said the plan is to create 116 apartments, mainly two-bedroom properties of mid to high-end quality.

The ground floor will comprise residential or commercial tenants,

Mr Hall said lock-up units currently occupy the plot but they will be cleared for the new scheme.

He said: “It is a good location for everything else going on.”

No date has been set for work to start on site.

From here - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-21408403/

I must admit, I didn't expect it to look like the above render. I thought the taller 'tower' element would represent a smaller proportion of the building, and as such be more well defined. That said, it doesn't look bad, and will add to the area by 'finishing' a major junction, by defining that corner and using the land for something altogether more be-fitting of the area than some lock-up garages.

[Villiers Terrace]

Originally Posted by Chris B

Good old DP&E. On the ball as always -



From here - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-21408403/

I must admit, I didn't expect it to look like the above render. I thought the taller 'tower' element would represent a smaller proportion of the building, and as such be more well defined. That said, it doesn't look bad, and will add to the area by 'finishing' a major junction, by defining that corner and using the land for something altogether more be-fitting of the area than some lock-up garages.

Really like the look of that. Good, proper, modern European architecture. Let's hope it goes up.

[buggedboy]

Another fine addition to our impressive gallery of never to be built CGI's.

Damn this credit crunch. Grrrr.

[Doug Roberts]

Big improvement over what's there now, may take a couple of years to get going but fingers crossed.

[eyeam]

Miles better than the other new builds at that junction

Hope it happens

[woody]

Originally Posted by eyeam

Miles better than the other new builds at that junction

You mean you dont like these...............





may be your right.......

[Chris B]

Agreed, although to be fair, just avoiding red brick was all they really needed to do to be better than anything else at that junction. It's good to see some originality being employed before we drown in a sea of heritage-friendly red brick.

The only minor criticism I have of this scheme is that it might have been nice to have it wrap all the way around to the council offices on Hatton Garden, thus eliminating the gap between the two as seen on the render above, and giving a proper building line all the way around from Great Crosshall Street onto Hatton Garden. Still though it's a good development and hopefully with it being smaller in scale than some other we've seen in the last few months, it might be able to weather the economic climate and actually come to fruition.

[JUXTAPOL]

This one, (above), is not so bad, except why the block of red brick on it's RHS.

The block across the road, with the underground car park visible at street level is the worst.

[T0M]

Originally Posted by JUXTAPOL

This one, (above), is not so bad, except why the block of red brick on it's RHS.

I think it's now an official planning requirement, 'all new developments must contain at least some cheap red brick to be inkeeping with other, cheap red brick developments and not to show them up'.

[Dane_e]

The city seems to never stop growing, dispite the 'Credit Crunch'! One scheme after another being passed!

[T0M]

Originally Posted by Dane_e

The city seems to never stop growing, dispite the 'Credit Crunch'! One scheme after another being passed!

It does look that way Dane, the trouble is, we know from bitter experience that what gets passed and what gets built aren't always the same thing. Hopefully this will get on site, but until I can walk through the front door I'll keep the champagne on ice.

[Chris B]

From the Planning Explorer -

Application Number - 10F/2680
Site Address - Land bounded by Hatton Garden and Great Crosshall Street, Liverpool, L3
Proposal - Application to replace extant planning permission 08F/1016 - To erect a part 8 / 11-storey building comprising 116 no. one and two bed apartments and ground floor retail / commerical units (Use Classes A1/A2/A3/B1) with associated car parking and landscaping.
Applicant - Whinmoor Estates Ltd

The original application was granted planning permission in July 2008. The fact they are requesting a renewal of that permission therefore must mean there are no plans for this to start on-site between now, and when the original planning permission will lapse in July next year.

[Chris B]

From the Planning Explorer -

Application Number - 12F/0784
Site Address - Hatton Garden Industrial Estate Johnson Street Liverpool
Proposal - To erect part nine storey/part eleven storey student accomodation block consisting 396 bedrooms (77 clusters) management suite, student lounge, gym,ground floor retail(use classes A1,A2,A3,A4 and B1) with associated car parking and landscaping.
Applicant - BP Assets Ltd & Whinmoor Ltd

It looks like apartments have been swapped for student flats. In the current climate this probably isn't a bad thing, as it means the project is more likely to get off the ground. It makes more sense in terms of its location too.