Liverpool Population

[Dane_e]

The population of Liverpool has fallen to 435,000 (Mid 2007) down from 442,000 (Mid 2001).

Seftons population also fallen to 276,000, from 283,000.

The Wirral also showing a decrease, down from 315,000 in 2001 to 310,000 in 2007.

Not good!

Information found here:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/popest0808.pdf

[Gareth]

Pretty bad that Wirral, Sefton & Liverpool City are all in the top ten for population reduction. It's a shame that we can't see the stats for our other local authorities. I just hope Knowsley's been doing some audacious scheme where incomers recieve a golden handshake on top of reduced council tax, or something.

[Dane_e]

When is it going to stop!

What can the local authorities do to turn the tide?

[Toadboy]

Originally Posted by Dane_e

When is it going to stop!

What can the local authorities do to turn the tide?

They can stop knocking thousands of homes down and replacing them with hundreds of rabbit hutches for a start .

[Boards]

ONS are pish at population estimates.

[Toadboy]

That's also true.

[M€trolink]

Talk on the radio this morning of binning the census and using these instead.

Census is very expensive, not very inacrurate, and now we have a very mobile population quite pointless.

[Medici]

Not to sure how reliable those figures are but the answer is simple.

Open the doors to immigrants, especially in the north end which lacks diversity. The South east corner is struggling to cope with a glut of newcomers with all of the associated strain on public services so Liverpool could solve her population problem in a stroke by welcoming people here. In a generation they will be proper integrated Scousers anyway.

[Dane_e]

Originally Posted by Medici

Not to sure how reliable those figures are but the answer is simple.

Open the doors to immigrants, especially in the north end which lacks diversity. The South east corner is struggling to cope with a glut of newcomers with all of the associated strain on public services so Liverpool could solve her population problem in a stroke by welcoming people here. In a generation they will be proper integrated Scousers anyway.

how is the city gonna open its doors to immigrants tho?
isnt the door already open?

[Medici]

Originally Posted by Dane_e

how is the city gonna open its doors to immigrants tho?
isnt the door already open?

Well for all the Hue and cry about immigration you rarely see a black or asian person from Tower Hill or Maghull to Islington.

[kat2]

All those figures are rubbish, both on the wirral and Liverpool too, and heres why, they go off the concensus and those that register to vote! We here on the wirral have a housing deficit of some 25,000 and rising. many choose not to register to vote or simply did not fill in the concensus forms. If the numbers were accurate, why do builders and companies go off whats termed predicted growth? why would companies spend millions of pounds on new appartments and houses if, numbers were decreasing?

Demolition takes place for one reason to use the available foot print more efficiently and bring housing stock up to the decent homes standard a standard set down by government back in 2001. Councils, housing associations and builders all have to abide by the decent homes standard.
kat

[yoshef]

Originally Posted by M€trolink

Census is very expensive, not very inacrurate, and now we have a very mobile population quite pointless.

I would have thought that was something to aspire to?

[thecityofgold]

why would companies spend millions of pounds on new appartments and houses if, numbers were decreasing?

For a quick profit from those who've watched a little too much Homes Under The Hammer? Perchance?!

[Medici]

All of a sudden the doommongers have sprung up. This is one of many recent threads about bad news, due to the 'recession'.

Isn't it time we all stopped and thought for a moment and just realise what haas been achieved in our great city since say 1990?

We have come further than any of us could ever have imagined.

The credit crunch will see a halt to new developments for a while but give it a year or 2 the city will be in pole position to move forward again.

[the golden vision]

Originally Posted by Medici

All of a sudden the doommongers have sprung up. This is one of many recent threads about bad news, due to the 'recession'.

Isn't it time we all stopped and thought for a moment and just realise what haas been achieved in our great city since say 1990?

We have come further than any of us could ever have imagined.

The credit crunch will see a halt to new developments for a while but give it a year or 2 the city will be in pole position to move forward again.

Yeah that's right,let's celebrate the 50,000 fall in population since 1990 which is still continuing. Mainly down to the retards at LCC implementing a Government sponsered housing "renewal" policy,totally unsuited to the needs of the city.

[Eastisleast]

Originally Posted by the golden vision

Yeah that's right,let's celebrate the 50,000 fall in population since 1990 which is still continuing. Mainly down to the retards at LCC implementing a Government sponsered housing "renewal" policy,totally unsuited to the needs of the city.

Are people actually being shipped out of the city whilst their houses are demolished and not coming back when new ones are built?

If that's the case then other areas in the HMRI scheme, Manchester and Salford are included, should also be suffering the same effect, but don't seem to be.

As the Government controls these population figures, I think it's more likely that they manipulate them to suit their own agenda and propaganda i.e designated regional capitals get rosy pictures painted, whilst others are depicted in gloomy shades of grey.

[the golden vision]

Originally Posted by Eastisleast

Are people actually being shipped out of the city whilst their houses are demolished and not coming back when new ones are built?

If that's the case then other areas in the HMRI scheme, Manchester and Salford are included, should also be suffering the same effect, but don't seem to be.

As the Government controls these population figures, I think it's more likely that they manipulate them to suit their own agenda and propaganda i.e designated regional capitals get rosy pictures painted, whilst others are depicted in gloomy shades of grey.

No, but i have heard anecdotally that people in the New Heartlands programme in Bootle are being offfered housing outside of Merseyside.I'm pretty sure the HMRI programme on Merseyside is the largest in England,certainly the Liverpool one is much more extensive than in Manchester. One of the main problems with it,apart from the fact that perfectly good Victorian housing stock is going,along with those that need replacing,is quite a large number of people affected are actually owner occuppiers. In which case of course means there's no guarantee these people will stay in the city. I don't go along with manipulating the Liverpool figure down,in fact in previous estimates the Liverpool figures have been overestimated and then re-adjusted for the official census figure.

[thecityofgold]

The problem is one of jobs. The new immigrants, who have driven population growth in other cities, have gone to areas where jobs are readily available. Since Liverpool has above average unemployment in the first place, they have not come here. It's a pity but just points yet again at what this city needs more of.

[yoshef]

Originally Posted by thecityofgold

The problem is one of jobs. The new immigrants, who have driven population growth in other cities, have gone to areas where jobs are readily available. Since Liverpool has above average unemployment in the first place, they have not come here. It's a pity but just points yet again at what this city needs more of.

The ONS doesn't count them.

200 migrant workers arrive in Merseyside each week

Mar 10 2008 by David Higgerson, Liverpool Daily Post

MERSEYSIDE has witnessed an unprecedented explosion in the number of foreign nationals moving to the region to work.

An extra 200 people from foreign countries are arriving each week in Merseyside to begin work.

Figures revealed today by the Liverpool Daily Post show that, after several years of steady growth in the number of migrants working in the region, the figure shot up 39% last year.

It means that, in March, 2007, 32,000 overseas nationals were working in the Greater Merseyside region, up from 23,000 in March, 2006. In 2003, the figure was just 15,000.

The rate of growth of foreign nationals – measured by national insurance registration – in Greater Merseyside eclipses most other areas of the country, including more traditional areas of migration such as Greater Manchester and the West Midlands.

[thecityofgold]

I am surprised by those numbers, and I stand corrected.