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Old August 21st, 2008, 06:56 PM   #1
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Liverpool Population

The population of Liverpool has fallen to 435,000 (Mid 2007) down from 442,000 (Mid 2001).

Seftons population also fallen to 276,000, from 283,000.

The Wirral also showing a decrease, down from 315,000 in 2001 to 310,000 in 2007.

Not good!

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http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/popest0808.pdf
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Old August 21st, 2008, 07:03 PM   #2
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Pretty bad that Wirral, Sefton & Liverpool City are all in the top ten for population reduction. It's a shame that we can't see the stats for our other local authorities. I just hope Knowsley's been doing some audacious scheme where incomers recieve a golden handshake on top of reduced council tax, or something.
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Old August 21st, 2008, 07:09 PM   #3
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When is it going to stop!

What can the local authorities do to turn the tide?
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Old August 21st, 2008, 07:14 PM   #4
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When is it going to stop!

What can the local authorities do to turn the tide?
They can stop knocking thousands of homes down and replacing them with hundreds of rabbit hutches for a start .
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Old August 21st, 2008, 07:18 PM   #5
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ONS are pish at population estimates.
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That's also true.
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Old August 21st, 2008, 07:30 PM   #7
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Talk on the radio this morning of binning the census and using these instead.

Census is very expensive, not very inacrurate, and now we have a very mobile population quite pointless.
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Old August 21st, 2008, 08:27 PM   #8
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Not to sure how reliable those figures are but the answer is simple.

Open the doors to immigrants, especially in the north end which lacks diversity. The South east corner is struggling to cope with a glut of newcomers with all of the associated strain on public services so Liverpool could solve her population problem in a stroke by welcoming people here. In a generation they will be proper integrated Scousers anyway.
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Not to sure how reliable those figures are but the answer is simple.

Open the doors to immigrants, especially in the north end which lacks diversity. The South east corner is struggling to cope with a glut of newcomers with all of the associated strain on public services so Liverpool could solve her population problem in a stroke by welcoming people here. In a generation they will be proper integrated Scousers anyway.
how is the city gonna open its doors to immigrants tho?
isnt the door already open?
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Old August 21st, 2008, 08:51 PM   #10
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how is the city gonna open its doors to immigrants tho?
isnt the door already open?
Well for all the Hue and cry about immigration you rarely see a black or asian person from Tower Hill or Maghull to Islington.
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Old August 21st, 2008, 09:21 PM   #11
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All those figures are rubbish, both on the wirral and Liverpool too, and heres why, they go off the concensus and those that register to vote! We here on the wirral have a housing deficit of some 25,000 and rising. many choose not to register to vote or simply did not fill in the concensus forms. If the numbers were accurate, why do builders and companies go off whats termed predicted growth? why would companies spend millions of pounds on new appartments and houses if, numbers were decreasing?

Demolition takes place for one reason to use the available foot print more efficiently and bring housing stock up to the decent homes standard a standard set down by government back in 2001. Councils, housing associations and builders all have to abide by the decent homes standard.
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why would companies spend millions of pounds on new appartments and houses if, numbers were decreasing?
For a quick profit from those who've watched a little too much Homes Under The Hammer? Perchance?!
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Old August 21st, 2008, 10:02 PM   #13
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All of a sudden the doommongers have sprung up. This is one of many recent threads about bad news, due to the 'recession'.

Isn't it time we all stopped and thought for a moment and just realise what haas been achieved in our great city since say 1990?

We have come further than any of us could ever have imagined.

The credit crunch will see a halt to new developments for a while but give it a year or 2 the city will be in pole position to move forward again.
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All of a sudden the doommongers have sprung up. This is one of many recent threads about bad news, due to the 'recession'.

Isn't it time we all stopped and thought for a moment and just realise what haas been achieved in our great city since say 1990?

We have come further than any of us could ever have imagined.

The credit crunch will see a halt to new developments for a while but give it a year or 2 the city will be in pole position to move forward again.
Yeah that's right,let's celebrate the 50,000 fall in population since 1990 which is still continuing. Mainly down to the retards at LCC implementing a Government sponsered housing "renewal" policy,totally unsuited to the needs of the city.
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Yeah that's right,let's celebrate the 50,000 fall in population since 1990 which is still continuing. Mainly down to the retards at LCC implementing a Government sponsered housing "renewal" policy,totally unsuited to the needs of the city.
Are people actually being shipped out of the city whilst their houses are demolished and not coming back when new ones are built?

If that's the case then other areas in the HMRI scheme, Manchester and Salford are included, should also be suffering the same effect, but don't seem to be.

As the Government controls these population figures, I think it's more likely that they manipulate them to suit their own agenda and propaganda i.e designated regional capitals get rosy pictures painted, whilst others are depicted in gloomy shades of grey.
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Are people actually being shipped out of the city whilst their houses are demolished and not coming back when new ones are built?

If that's the case then other areas in the HMRI scheme, Manchester and Salford are included, should also be suffering the same effect, but don't seem to be.

As the Government controls these population figures, I think it's more likely that they manipulate them to suit their own agenda and propaganda i.e designated regional capitals get rosy pictures painted, whilst others are depicted in gloomy shades of grey.
No, but i have heard anecdotally that people in the New Heartlands programme in Bootle are being offfered housing outside of Merseyside.I'm pretty sure the HMRI programme on Merseyside is the largest in England,certainly the Liverpool one is much more extensive than in Manchester. One of the main problems with it,apart from the fact that perfectly good Victorian housing stock is going,along with those that need replacing,is quite a large number of people affected are actually owner occuppiers. In which case of course means there's no guarantee these people will stay in the city. I don't go along with manipulating the Liverpool figure down,in fact in previous estimates the Liverpool figures have been overestimated and then re-adjusted for the official census figure.
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 02:13 AM   #17
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Census is very expensive, not very inacrurate, and now we have a very mobile population quite pointless.
I would have thought that was something to aspire to?
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 02:31 AM   #18
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Bear this in mind:-

These estimates are still based on 2001, "trends", people registering to vote, people registering with GP etc... which can be VERY misleading. Looking at it, it looks like a sneaky method of cutting costs.

The release of these figures to coincide with the half year just gone for might suggest they're accurate, but you will find that you are able to get ONS estimates for future years e.g. 2009 and 2010 if you ask (freedom of information act). They've already been calculated. For instance:-

Wirral population projections (ONS)

2006 - 311,200
2011 - 310,700
2016 - 311,400
2021 - 313,100
2026 - 314,300
2031 - 314,800

They'd simply take the figure from their calculated estimates and adjust it according to "current trends".

WBC have this to say about the "guestimates":-

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Each year, the ONS produce a mid-year estimate, based on updating the previous
year’s figures with the 3 elements set out at para 2.2 above. Without a clear validation
of these figures, they can become increasingly inaccurate, only being tested every 10 years with the decennial Census
(next due in Spring 2011).

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Old August 22nd, 2008, 10:57 AM   #19
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True, the estimations are based on long term historical trends. The recent increases seen in the population will not fully be accounted for until future years.
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 11:59 AM   #20
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it makes you think that there is an active campaign to paint as bleak a picture of Liverpool when ever they get the chance! You can only dismiss these sorts of things as coincidence for so long, just as the accusations of paranoia wear off after the umpteenth dis... WTF is going on?
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