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NZ | Rail + Freight
Rather than dragging the NZ Public Transport thread further off topic, I think it's time for a new thread. News, discussion, etc of rail related stuff that doesn't fit in the PT threads.
Here is something to start it off that I recently read in the National Freight Demands Study [pdf]. I think it provides a good overview of some of the issues. (Sorry it's rather long.) Quote:
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I keep thinking that reinstating (and finishing) the old Nelson line along its original alignment could be a good thing. Most of the earth works are still there and it would enable Solid Energy to rail their coal to port in Nelson rather than all the way over to Lyttelton (LPC would of course hate this plan). It would also give a rather indirect (but fine for overnight) freight route between Nelson and Chch. After all Nelson is one of the fastest growing cities in the country. It is also the biggest city without a rail link and has a port.
I guess it would lose money by the trailer load if it didn't get the coal contract but at least it would help take a pile of trucks off the road (of course the trucking companies would hate this). Maybe it isn't such a good idea after all. |
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rumours flew throughout the 1990's that it was going to reopen to serve the forest industry. It would be more viable to connect Nelson to Blenhiem providing a more direct link to Christchurch. If this government is serious about developing a sustainable transport network then reopening the old line and linking with wesport would be a goer. not hopefull though. |
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A couple of rail related things mentioned at the Waikato Transport Summit. Both articles from The National Business Review.
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It would really suck if there was electrification between Hamilton and Auckland but not Wellington and Palmerston North. I know that Auckland will use 25kvac like the current NIMT electrification so closing the gap will be easy. I know that Wellington uses 1500vdc but it is possible to have dual voltage locomotives, even the TGV in france uses both voltages. If we do get new electric locomotives I certainly hope that they will be dual voltage capable. At the very least maybe some of the current Ef's could be converted for dual voltage. They are 25kvac locomotives but as far as I know it is transformed to 1500vac and then rectified to 1500vdc inside the locomotive, so conversion should require just some kind of switch between running the power through the transformer and rectifier as is right now, and bypass the transformer and rectifier when running in Wellington.
Edit: The last two times a passenger service between Hamilton and Auckland has been tried it has failed (although without Britomart + such high fuel prices so it could be a different story this time around). So who knows how useful electric passenger services south of Papakura would be, but the Capital Connection is very well used, there was an article not so long ago about how crowded it got because 1 of the 8 carriages was out of service for maintenance. Maybe while we're at it also electrify to Masterton. Quite a bit of freight their in future (logs/wood products) and it would be great if the Wairarapa Connection could be electrically hauled too. |
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If freight is going to be used as a large part of the justification for electrification, Auckland-Hamilton is a lot more important than Wellington-Palmy.I would like to see the Wellington system eventually converted to 25kV AC (although this is unlikely any time soon). I believe it is technically possible but probably bloody expensive. This sort of conversion was done in the UK - e.g. the lines out of Liverpool St and Fenchurch St in London were originally electrified at 1500V DC but were converted to 25kV AC (and the units too). |
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Transport summit backs rail By NIKKI PRESTON - Waikato Times | Saturday, 18 October 2008 New Zealand's transport system has come full circle, with companies looking at trains and coastal shipping as cheaper and greener alternatives to trucking. While all forms of transport, including the possibility of air cargo were touched on at the Waikato transport summit in Hamilton this week, government organisations and primary goods firms favoured rail as the solution for taking pressure off the roads. Currently, 92 per cent of freight, by weight, is transported via road, 6 per cent by rail, 2 per cent by coastal shipping and nothing is transported by air, according to the national freight demands study. However, in terms of the length of haul, rail and coastal shipping have a larger share of the market, representing 15 per cent each. Road makes up the additional 70 per cent. The regional council, Environment Waikato, said that though building the Waikato Expressway was its No 1 focus, it was also looking at reducing traffic and ensuring safety on the roads. The council saw trains as a way to ensure safety and reducing New Zealand's footprint, chairman Peter Buckley said. "It's just demonstrated that we are going back to the past of what we used to do with rail and coastal shipping. "With everything going into road we have taken a step back for the environment," he said. "With the amount of goods you can move on rail compared to the amount of diesel you use is quite significant." Trains emit around four times less from carbon than heavy road vehicles, according to the study. The research showed that for emissions of carbon dioxide in grams per tonne/km, road produced 123, heavy road 93, rail 23 and coastal shipping 14. Milk and dairy products, logs and wood products and aggregates are among the most frequently carried products. Dairy giant Fonterra began streamlining operations in 2003 and developed the Crawford St, Te Rapa, site, which mainly uses rail to transport its dry goods to its six Waikato sites. The Te Rapa factory still uses trucks because there are no rail links with the site. A new cool store planned at the Crawford St site is expected to reduce 4000 truck movements per annum when it opens in November next year. Tony Smith, Fonterra's logistics manager of global trade, said trains had enabled Fonterra to replace 45,000 truck movements. However, Fonterra still relied heavily on trucks, with 59 per cent of its stock still transported by road. Mr Smith said 20 per cent of Fonterra's New Zealand business was transported by train and this accounted for 40 per cent of KiwiRail's business. Fonterra used only 8.5 per cent of the rail network at this stage. William Peet, acting chief executive of the NZ Rail Corporation which operated the KiwiRail and OnTrack brands, said Waikato was an important business for the company and it planned to continue working with Fonterra and other dairy companies to encourage them to use trains as their preferred transport medium. "We are just scratching the surface of how we work with them (Fonterra)," Mr Peet said. "We are still working on how we can do as much of their product as we possibly can." The dairy companies were part of an aggressive strategy by the company to promote train use both in Waikato and nationally. "The company had very very strong prospectives," he said. "The rail carrier could be used a lot more." Mr Peet said that unlike his predecessors he planned to act rather than simply talk. Using the $200 million-plus government funding would improve the network and NZ Rail was already in the process of ordering new trains to replace the locomotives. NZ Rail denied it was getting into direct competition with truck operators. "It's not rail versus road, it's how we get the best out of both," Mr Peet said. "We are looking at how we can take trucks off the road, not today's trucks, but tomorrow's trucks. Richard Paling, director of Richard Paling Consulting which conducted the study for the Transport Ministry, Economic Development Ministry and Land Transport New Zealand, said while the government had committed to investing in the train network, he did not think it would not be the sole focus. "It is looking for a balanced transport network which involved rail, trucks and coastal shipping. "It is recognised that the rail and coastal shipping will have an important part to play if the Government is going to achieve targets set out in its New Zealand Transport Strategy." He did not think it was about rail competing for the same budget as the roading network, but said there was a lot of work to be done on New Zealand's road and as such projects like the Waikato Expressway had to be made a priority. Port of Tauranga, which claims to handle 51 per cent more imported cargo than its nearest New Zealand competitor, said it was also committed to using trains as the best way to move goods to and from the port where possible. This was because rail was between four and five times more efficient than truck, according to Port of Tauranga chief executive Mark Cairns. "Rail is the appropriate mode with an increasing 40 per cent of cargo coming in and out of the port by rail," he said. But Mr Cairns said ports were still key to transporting freight, with 98 per cent of freight passing through a port before it went elsewhere. Its competitor, Ports of Auckland, agreed that trains were going to become more important, particularly in Auckland with its ongoing congestion problems. Ports of Auckland managing director Jens Marsden said carbon emissions had moved to the top of the company's agenda. "We want to invest in a sustainable future and eliminate a lot of waste in the transport sector." -------- |
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New container wagons
KiwiRail has recently taken delivery of 100 new container wagons.
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http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/3...s-could-go-acc
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The ACC issue is so predictable, I remember hearing about it yonks ago.
Effectively the funding shortfall only exists because ACC changed its policies in a way that meant it had to have all the possible funding necessary for all claims on the book at any one time (or something like that). Never mind that the money would only need to be paid out slowly... this made their liabilities leap hugely, even though in reality nothing had changed.
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Do you have a link to any articles on that Jarbury? Nothing has come out in the media about that (not surprising though).
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I wish I did NZ1. I very vaguely remember a few Herald articles about the issue back in 2006/2007 perhaps. Sorry I don't have any more information.
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That's okay. Would be interesting to see how things started. I'm surprised that neither side of the house have brought this stuff up! Politicians
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Maybe it isn't as directly related as I'm linking the issues... but my main memory was that the change was a ticking time-bomb that required ACC to have masses more money than they needed to before. Which is pretty similar to what we've ended up with.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/4797513a23917.html
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I do wonder how many people who voted National are really starting to regret it...
... probably nowhere near enough as should be.
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ONTRACK serves notice for Marsden Point rail designation
22/12/2008 ONTRACK, a member of the KiwiRail Group, confirmed today it has served a Notice of Requirement on Whangarei District Council for the designation of the Oakleigh to Marsden Point Rail link. more |
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