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Old November 10th, 2008, 09:50 PM   #1
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NEW YORK | 4WTC (150 Greenwich Street) | 298m | 977ft | 72 fl | T/O

4 World Trade Center - 150 Greenwich Street

Mr. Maki’s Tower 4 at 150 Greenwich Street, between Cortlandt and Liberty Streets, is the most understated of the lot, with a sheer curtain wall. The 61-story tower rises for most of its height as a parallelogram and then, nearly 700 feet in the sky, it becomes a trapezoid, reaching an overall height of 975 feet, with no antennas. The upper part of the facade inclines toward the towers to the north and is meant as a unifying gesture.

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Old November 10th, 2008, 11:43 PM   #2
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Out of Towers 2, 3 and 4, Tower 4 is the most ahead in terms of progress.

BTW, it's called "4 World Trade Center," not 2.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 11:59 PM   #3
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I thought Tower cranes were due to be erected over the weekend? For this??
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:00 AM   #4
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Not yet; it was just a bigger mobile crane near the corner of the site and pics are in the old thread.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:19 AM   #5
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So, i guess oklahoma city didn't teach anyone anything. That beam and post arrangement for the lobby is so totally unsafe for a building of that height given where it is being built. All anyone who doesn't like usa or that building has to do is park a truck with enough stuff in it and down comes the whole thing across the street and into the memorial. Aside from that it's rather bland. I hope it doesn't end up like #7 big fortified metal monstrosity at street level.

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Old November 11th, 2008, 06:25 AM   #6
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ok mr engineer.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 07:08 AM   #7
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about time we got a thread for these tower. At less one for it by itself
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Old November 11th, 2008, 01:03 PM   #8
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@ Metsfan, this one and #7 have one major difference, #7 has got a substation in it's base and this one just a lobby. So i don't think this one's base will end up like #7 one's!

About the design, mhhh I really don't know what to say. Surely it will be one massive building, but mhhhh it's bland. It has no character, it's just a box, which has a diagonal cut at a certain point and from that point it goes further up.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 07:39 PM   #9
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Out of Towers 2, 3 and 4, Tower 4 is the most ahead in terms of progress.

BTW, it's called "4 World Trade Center," not 2.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #10
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About the design, mhhh I really don't know what to say. Surely it will be one massive building, but mhhhh it's bland. It has no character, it's just a box, which has a diagonal cut at a certain point and from that point it goes further up.
A building shaped like a box can look pretty and having character but if this building has it?
I'm not sure.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #11
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This building is going to have a RC core so a truck bomb taking out one exterior post isn't going to bring it down. It also shouldn't suffer the same fate as #7 since the likelihood of an out-of-control fire burning for 5+ hours with no water to fight it isn't exactly high.
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Old November 17th, 2008, 09:53 PM   #12
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Old November 18th, 2008, 02:00 AM   #13
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Yes, but the side where the post is taken out could in theory collapse. I feel compelled to write a email/call about this. It's setting off all kinds of alarm bells when i look at it. You would think they would include some other bracing like an arched truss or diagonal beam in the gap. I've rolled it over in my head since i made that previous post & it really does bother me even trying to think what they coulda done to strengthen it somehow without it being seen... thankfully there's still time to make changes if they do in fact need to.

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Old November 18th, 2008, 09:21 AM   #14
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^ I'm sure that you can teach the engineers a thing or two.

I'm very pleased with how it's progressing. It's starting to look more and more like how FT once looked.

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Yes, but the side where the post is taken out could in theory collapse. I feel compelled to write a email/call about this. It's setting off all kinds of alarm bells when i look at it. You would think they would include some other bracing like an arched truss or diagonal beam in the gap. I've rolled it over in my head since i made that previous post & it really does bother me even trying to think what they coulda done to strengthen it somehow without it being seen... thankfully there's still time to make changes if they do in fact need to.

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again, another retarded post. im sure you know infinitely more about construction than the engineers hired for this project... but who's to say they didn't do anything to strengthen it somehow without it being seen? because you know... you wouldn't be able to see it if they did.
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I'm very pleased with how it's progressing. It's starting to look more and more like how FT once looked.
11 times square also looked similar. Funny, the big hole that used to be there is filled with building now!

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Old November 18th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #17
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cheers ebola, the site will look like the freedom tower's in a years time or less.
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Without the PATH tracks interfering, this should progress much quicker than 1WTC.
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^ VERY good point, man.

I almost forgot about that. Now the whole thing about Tower 4 topping out before Fredom Tower seems to make more sense. Also, I think the plot is less complex so it should go smoother. But for now, I think FT may top out first. Tower 3 should look like how Tower 4 looks now in a few months, and I'm sure that Tower 2 will be right behind T3.
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I'm going in 2 hours. I'll get new photos if i can.

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