Immigrant community in Ireland

odlum833 · July 4th, 2009, 01:44 AM

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saoró... · July 4th, 2009, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by odlum

I know in the North there has been problems but I expected that and im sure most did.

Its attitudes like that, that would put us on the wrong track.

belfastuniguy · July 4th, 2009, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saoró...

Its attitudes like that, that would put us on the wrong track.

Indeed....

How about we examine the increase in murder rates in Ireland, gang violence, horrendous levels of drug abuse and disgraceful income inequality leading to some of the worst child poverty and populace relative poverty rates in Europe and the developed world?

belfastuniguy · July 4th, 2009, 04:18 AM

You Anti-Northern Ireland bullshit is incredibly tiresome.

I think I should start a few threads about Ireland addressing some of the above mentioned points.

odlum833 · July 4th, 2009, 04:24 AM

Oh so I should appoligise for speaking what everyone else thought - i.e Loyalists kill Catholics....oh I wonder what happens when immigrants, in their hundreds, move in to the area following "peace"?....don't explain it was there for all to see.

saoró... · July 4th, 2009, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odlum833

Oh so I should appoligise for speaking what everyone else thought - i.e Loyalists kill Catholics....oh I wonder what happens when immigrants, in their hundreds, move in to the area following "peace"?....don't explain it was there for all to see.

Dont lump us in with the rest of you, man. Seriously, you seem to have a grudge against the north for some reason. Why so ancy??

belfastuniguy · July 4th, 2009, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by saoró...

Dont lump us in with the rest of you, man. Seriously, you seem to have a grudge against the north for some reason. Why so ancy??

He has perpetual Sand in the Vagina syndrome.

saoró... · July 4th, 2009, 04:37 AM

HA!

south park.... just incredible.......

belfastuniguy · July 4th, 2009, 04:29 AM

Strange....

Northern Ireland had a large immigrant population before the Republic did. Belfast in particular has had a very large Chinese and Indian community since the 1950's.

Yet of course, you would not be aware of such things as you are so full of shit. Shall we engage in a debate about the treatment of the Traveller community in the Republic?

saoró... · July 4th, 2009, 05:10 AM

Why bother with all this really. You have no point to make odlum.

UniGuy, hop on over to "Energy independence in 5 years" thread, will ye? I would like an economists opinion of the project, which is what you seem to be (that or a student) :P

belfastuniguy · July 4th, 2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by saoró...

Why bother with all this really. You have no point to make odlum.

UniGuy, hop on over to "Energy independence in 5 years" thread, will ye? I would like an economists opinion of the project, which is what you seem to be (that or a student) :P

I'll have a wee look later today, need to get some sleep. Have seen the jist and looks very interesting. I shall comment later today

saoró... · July 4th, 2009, 05:14 AM

Cheers. Yeh, sleep seems wise when "today" is "tomorrow".

NorthLimitation · July 4th, 2009, 05:33 AM

Jesus talk about digging up shite and then throwing it into the fan Odlum.

odlum833 · July 4th, 2009, 05:34 AM

Well it's true - he sees fit to criticise us.........at least we have had democracy since 1921.

NorthLimitation · July 4th, 2009, 06:05 AM

Shit in quantity doesn't smell any sweeter Odlum. If you feel that way about him (which apparently you do) just ignore his comments.

saoró... · July 4th, 2009, 07:09 AM

NorthLimitation, Is féidir leat Gàidhlig a leabhairt!?

Tá na focail sin an cosúil le ghaeilge. Cathain agus cár a dfhoghlaim tú an teanga agus an féidir leat é a úsáid i nGlasgow? Má is cuma leat

An dtuigeann tú? Is saghas turgnamh é seo, gabh mo leithscéal.

Hheh, We're OT anyway, and +1 on the above.

plank007 · July 4th, 2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by odlum833

I know in the North there has been problems but I expected that and im sure most did.

Ahhhh man give it a rest......

Catmalojin · July 4th, 2009, 12:26 PM

First of all,

at the sandy vaginas.

Now, more to the point - everywhere has problems and nowhere is perfect; be it the Republic, the North, Britain, ANYWHERE on the planet. Got that? Good.

Now, on immigrants. I think (both parts of) Ireland have generally done a better job at integration than some other European countries, even though immigration is a recently new phenomenon. However, at the time most people supported it due to the economic growth experienced, now support for open-door immigration has pretty much dried up due to the recession (which isn't surprising) although we're lucky in that the view "They tuk ar jerbs!" (another South Park reference) isn't widespread, since everyone (bar some moronic Fianna Fáil supporters) blames the government for sending us up a certain creek without any mode of propulsion. There are genuine fears that racism may increase as the number of non-nationals getting the dole increases, but I think most people understand these people worked here, paid social insurance and have a right to these payments. Plus, almost everyone agrees that if all the immigrants were sent home, the likes of the health service would collapse (moreso) and we'd be left in an even worse economic situation (especially as immigrants are far more entreprenurial and likely to own their own businesses). We're also lucky in that there hasn't been any ghettoisation and that immigrants have mostly integrated into Irish society with no real problems - although no doubt we will see some down the line, like the Burkha controversies in other countries. But let's cross that bridge when we get to it.

In short: So far immigration has provided a positive experience for Ireland, but we must all work together to keep it this way.

festivephone · July 4th, 2009, 12:49 PM

As regards the romanians that left Belfast. It was a small group of young men who forced them out. I think one of those arrested was 16. Over 100 romanians where living in 4 houses so its not as if 2 or 3 streets were cleared. Things had been fine until the trouble at the Poland, Northern Ireland match and it didnt help that that you couldnt walk down the street without being hounded to buy a big issue or go out at the weekend without being chased after to buy silly flowers. I made a point of not giving money to them because the money went to a gangmaster which is well known.

citybus · July 4th, 2009, 01:08 PM

Belfastuniguys comment about Belfast's immigrant population is misleading. Prior to the 80's the chinese community would have been tiny and no doubt virtually all those families had a member working in a chinese restaurant. The Indian population was tiny then and still is now. I remember in the early 90's a black man visited my school, it was a massive novelty! Belfast is only getting significant immigration now, 40 or 50 years after English cities did. Perhaps it's not surprising that racism is strong in Northern Ireland in comparison to Britain.

I would say racism is very common in Northern Ireland (not sure about down south), though it's mostly talking behind people's back. Actually backing up that hidden anger, like what happened a fortnight ago is probably very rare. I suspect that a lot if not most of the people who complain about immigrants would get along with them alright if they met them. In that way a lot of the racism is very weak.

I don't know if sectarianism during the troubles necesarrily ensured that Belfast was always going to be racist when confronted with immigrants. But if you think about what people mean when they say they dont want outsiders, they are implying that there is no need for newcomers as the existing population are great and changing the demographic will spoil things. I dont buy into that because northern ireland can be very boring, a bit of variety could shake things up. How the northern irish view themselves can be silly at times. People always say how friendly we are. Yes we do talk to strangers more than people on the tube, but this idea of our friendly nature hardly stands up to the reality that we had a civil war for decades and london didnt.

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July 4th, 2009, 04:18 AM	#4
belfastuniguy Subliving Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 11,741 Likes (Received): 213	You Anti-Northern Ireland bullshit is incredibly tiresome. I think I should start a few threads about Ireland addressing some of the above mentioned points.

July 4th, 2009, 04:24 AM	#5
odlum833 In the brig Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 6,496 Likes (Received): 83	Oh so I should appoligise for speaking what everyone else thought - i.e Loyalists kill Catholics....oh I wonder what happens when immigrants, in their hundreds, move in to the area following "peace"?....don't explain it was there for all to see.

July 4th, 2009, 04:37 AM	#8
saoró... níféidirliomdulacholadh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Áth Cliath, AE Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 0	HA! south park.... just incredible.......

July 4th, 2009, 04:29 AM	#9
belfastuniguy Subliving Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 11,741 Likes (Received): 213	Strange.... Northern Ireland had a large immigrant population before the Republic did. Belfast in particular has had a very large Chinese and Indian community since the 1950's. Yet of course, you would not be aware of such things as you are so full of shit. Shall we engage in a debate about the treatment of the Traveller community in the Republic?

July 4th, 2009, 05:10 AM	#10
saoró... níféidirliomdulacholadh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Áth Cliath, AE Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 0	Why bother with all this really. You have no point to make odlum. UniGuy, hop on over to "Energy independence in 5 years" thread, will ye? I would like an economists opinion of the project, which is what you seem to be (that or a student) :P

July 4th, 2009, 05:14 AM	#12
saoró... níféidirliomdulacholadh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Áth Cliath, AE Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 0	Cheers. Yeh, sleep seems wise when "today" is "tomorrow".

July 4th, 2009, 05:33 AM	#13
NorthLimitation Passionately Apathetic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Inverness Posts: 4,611 Likes (Received): 1	Jesus talk about digging up shite and then throwing it into the fan Odlum.

July 4th, 2009, 05:34 AM	#14
odlum833 In the brig Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 6,496 Likes (Received): 83	Well it's true - he sees fit to criticise us.........at least we have had democracy since 1921.

July 4th, 2009, 06:05 AM	#15
NorthLimitation Passionately Apathetic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Inverness Posts: 4,611 Likes (Received): 1	Shit in quantity doesn't smell any sweeter Odlum. If you feel that way about him (which apparently you do) just ignore his comments.

July 4th, 2009, 07:09 AM	#16
saoró... níféidirliomdulacholadh Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Áth Cliath, AE Posts: 573 Likes (Received): 0	NorthLimitation, Is féidir leat Gàidhlig a leabhairt!? Tá na focail sin an cosúil le ghaeilge. Cathain agus cár a dfhoghlaim tú an teanga agus an féidir leat é a úsáid i nGlasgow? Má is cuma leat An dtuigeann tú? Is saghas turgnamh é seo, gabh mo leithscéal. Hheh, We're OT anyway, and +1 on the above.

July 4th, 2009, 12:26 PM	#18
Catmalojin Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,618 Likes (Received): 27	First of all, at the sandy vaginas. Now, more to the point - everywhere has problems and nowhere is perfect; be it the Republic, the North, Britain, ANYWHERE on the planet. Got that? Good. Now, on immigrants. I think (both parts of) Ireland have generally done a better job at integration than some other European countries, even though immigration is a recently new phenomenon. However, at the time most people supported it due to the economic growth experienced, now support for open-door immigration has pretty much dried up due to the recession (which isn't surprising) although we're lucky in that the view "They tuk ar jerbs!" (another South Park reference) isn't widespread, since everyone (bar some moronic Fianna Fáil supporters) blames the government for sending us up a certain creek without any mode of propulsion. There are genuine fears that racism may increase as the number of non-nationals getting the dole increases, but I think most people understand these people worked here, paid social insurance and have a right to these payments. Plus, almost everyone agrees that if all the immigrants were sent home, the likes of the health service would collapse (moreso) and we'd be left in an even worse economic situation (especially as immigrants are far more entreprenurial and likely to own their own businesses). We're also lucky in that there hasn't been any ghettoisation and that immigrants have mostly integrated into Irish society with no real problems - although no doubt we will see some down the line, like the Burkha controversies in other countries. But let's cross that bridge when we get to it. In short: So far immigration has provided a positive experience for Ireland, but we must all work together to keep it this way.

July 4th, 2009, 12:49 PM	#19
festivephone Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belfast Posts: 182 Likes (Received): 0	As regards the romanians that left Belfast. It was a small group of young men who forced them out. I think one of those arrested was 16. Over 100 romanians where living in 4 houses so its not as if 2 or 3 streets were cleared. Things had been fine until the trouble at the Poland, Northern Ireland match and it didnt help that that you couldnt walk down the street without being hounded to buy a big issue or go out at the weekend without being chased after to buy silly flowers. I made a point of not giving money to them because the money went to a gangmaster which is well known.

July 4th, 2009, 01:08 PM	#20
citybus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Belfast Posts: 1,060 Likes (Received): 15	Belfastuniguys comment about Belfast's immigrant population is misleading. Prior to the 80's the chinese community would have been tiny and no doubt virtually all those families had a member working in a chinese restaurant. The Indian population was tiny then and still is now. I remember in the early 90's a black man visited my school, it was a massive novelty! Belfast is only getting significant immigration now, 40 or 50 years after English cities did. Perhaps it's not surprising that racism is strong in Northern Ireland in comparison to Britain. I would say racism is very common in Northern Ireland (not sure about down south), though it's mostly talking behind people's back. Actually backing up that hidden anger, like what happened a fortnight ago is probably very rare. I suspect that a lot if not most of the people who complain about immigrants would get along with them alright if they met them. In that way a lot of the racism is very weak. I don't know if sectarianism during the troubles necesarrily ensured that Belfast was always going to be racist when confronted with immigrants. But if you think about what people mean when they say they dont want outsiders, they are implying that there is no need for newcomers as the existing population are great and changing the demographic will spoil things. I dont buy into that because northern ireland can be very boring, a bit of variety could shake things up. How the northern irish view themselves can be silly at times. People always say how friendly we are. Yes we do talk to strangers more than people on the tube, but this idea of our friendly nature hardly stands up to the reality that we had a civil war for decades and london didnt.